same, but it just makes me so fucking mad the state he is in rn
#zealot-class
north solar
scenic drift
??
copper hawk
Every fucking class has it but us breh
real sonnet
Riposte: 15% dmg after 5 dodges
Vet: Literally gets an operative modifier with +15% melee dmg
scenic drift
I don't like duelling sword and I refuse to use dollarstore relic blade.
real sonnet
The difference grows even further xddd
carmine falcon
u will save your ult to rend 1 (one) enemy and u will like it chud
frosty herald
someone says that castigator's stance is now useless lole
scenic drift
so vet has no good melee weapons for me.
copper hawk
They like
solar gorge
understood, adding more bleed talents
real sonnet
someone says that castigator's stance is now useless lole
When the arbites players shares balance opiniones:
copper hawk
It's a spectacle to watch
No idea what they want to do with Zealot or what niche they want Zeal to fill
north solar
conditional rending could be interesting and allow zealot to use weird picks like heavy sword into crushers, but they will never do this because fatshark can't even balance the current rending sources
carmine falcon
im convinced arbeetus palyers started the game with the class so any nerfs is weird to them lmao
scenic drift
someone says that castigator's stance is now useless lole
I mean, it was kinda useless already before, it's only value was being last one alive on party wipe.
nuncio and even charge have at least utility.
carmine falcon
No idea what they want to do with Zealot or what niche they want Zeal to fill
heh you're the brawler melee frontliner..........that doesnt exactly do this better than anyone else 
copper hawk
Debuff class? Only one debuff talent but lots of ways to proc the thing that lets it debuff, but the debuff only works if the enemy bleeds... so you get a half-baked debuffer that has lots of ways to conditionally trigger a debuff but no debuffs to be triggered
carmine falcon
i'd care about this if i cared about min maxxing
copper hawk
Ooookay not the debuff class.. maybe the DPS class?
solar gorge
zealot one shot bosses by jumping thru dozen of hoops, there's ur class niche enjoy it
scenic drift
heh you're the brawler melee frontliner..........that doesnt exactly do this bet...
eh, zealot is pretty tanky these days.
copper hawk
Our DPS Ult is locked behind 30s with some pitiful cdr... it's also our rending talent, and guaranteed crit talent
drowsy furnace
eh, zealot is pretty tanky these days.
always has been
scenic drift
real sonnet
Scourge 3 bleed stacks fatshark... Taps watch
carmine falcon
eh, zealot is pretty tanky these days.
pretty tanky and pretty strong in melee
until u remember that ogryn and arbeeetus do both
melee psyker can also do it now too sooooo
copper hawk
End up with if you want to have good DPS you need to take that one Ult otherwise you're hamstringing yourself running the other ones
Zealot has literally one thing over Ogryn atp and it's no dodge timer
ivory canyon
I just play zealot for eviscerator and relic blade
copper hawk
But Arbites has that as well
ivory canyon
And maybe flamer
copper hawk
Arbites for the most part is just a better Zealot
copper hawk
Zealot's 'debuff melee tank/stagger' niche that it once had was totally consumed by Arbites
scenic drift
pretty tanky and pretty strong in melee
until u remember that ogryn and arbeeetu...
I'm not sure why that is a downside, It gives me more variety.
real sonnet
End up with if you want to have good DPS you need to take that one Ult otherwise...
Or taking DS and selling your soul to the devil
copper hawk
Oh - Arbites has MULTIPLE flat damage talents
real sonnet
Either works
drowsy furnace
anyone in EU who would like to help me do just a flesh wound penance? 👉 👈
scenic drift
if I want to swap off zealot for some reason, I can play tanky psyker or arby
ivory canyon
Arbeetus just does too luch too good
copper hawk
WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A SINGLE FUCKING BRITTLENESS TALENT ??? WE ARE THE MELEE CLASS ?? HELLO FATSHARK ???
WE DONT EVEN HAVE A VIABLE RANGED BUILD BECAUSE YOU FUCKING CHUMMED IT LAST UPDATE ??
we have BOLTER
and FLAMER
that's IT
north solar
zealot one shot bosses by jumping thru dozen of hoops, there's ur class niche en...
you can facetank 2 demonhosts on arbites with castigators and light spam, but zealot has to have 15 different buffs and the emporors thumb up his ass to oneshot a boss.
copper hawk
Ogryn gets this giant menagerie of very good and one clearly good ranged weapon
All of them serviceable
carmine falcon
I'm not sure why that is a downside, It gives me more variety.
the downside is if u care about playing high level content where people min max and literally refuse your request for not running LE META TM then zealot is unironically is like last place rn 
i dont really care so im enjoying zealot rework but it still feels like the niche is missing
scenic drift
In any case, this is yet another patch showcasing why distinct classes in VT2 was a vastly superior choice to the mess of talent trees we have now 
copper hawk
And MULTIPLE different kinds of ranged builds
Vet is Vet and has melee and ranged builds
ivory canyon
you can facetank 2 demonhosts on arbites with castigators and light spam, but z...
Shhhh its so balanced not p2w at all
scenic drift
12 classes > 5 with talent tree shenanigans. 
copper hawk
Arbites has talents that directly buff his Ranged weapon (he even has a talent that's literally just WPN SPC lite but ONE FUCKING TALENT)
royal sandal
inb4 zealot's new tree just teleports you to vermintide
solar gorge
this would have never happened if I was a playtester btw
copper hawk
Zeal gets nothing
Oh at least we have Marty
marty is unique right
You love Vermintide 2 Zealot right ?
Le epic die to deal more damage ?
real sonnet
WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A SINGLE FUCKING BRITTLENESS TALENT ??? WE ARE THE MELEE CLAS...
To be fair this game needs less rending/brittleness not more
copper hawk
Oh ? What's that ? You died to insane chip because you got snagged by a lag comp plasma shot ?
There goes ur Holy Rev ?
scenic drift
inb4 zealot's new tree just teleports you to vermintide
saltzpyre with relic blade...
real sonnet
VT2 once again showcasing its superior design in armored enemies
scenic drift
tiny ruin
you can facetank 2 demonhosts on arbites with castigators and light spam, but z...
Don't forget arby can take 5 crusher overhad without dying
real sonnet
By NOT giving carapace on the head
north solar
By NOT giving carapace on the head
honestly this
copper hawk
Oh ? What's That ? If u were playing Zealot in Vermintide 2 you would've tanked the hit and regen'd all ur temp HP because temp HP is what literally makes Zealot work with that build and that's not present in DT ?
real sonnet
Who would've guessed, when all melee weapons can deal with all enemies... Game fun??
carmine falcon
In any case, this is yet another patch showcasing why distinct classes in VT2 wa...
this is true cause people in this game dont give a fuck about variety or any of that and just min max everything to death anyway
might as well make smaller trees and more tight subclasses if everyone's gonna be running the exact same shit
copper hawk
To be fair this game needs less rending/brittleness not more
I'm tired of being the noble one
If everyone else gets it then give us it
scenic drift
this is true cause people in this game dont give a fuck about variety or any of ...
I mean, people minmaxxed vt2 classes too.
copper hawk
If everyone else is cheating at cards you're at a disadvantage by not cheating
real sonnet
If everyone else gets it then give us it
Join us in duelling sword shenanigans for the meanwhile
copper hawk
I just don't fucking get it man
Darktide has really just
Hit the same spot with For Honor for me
royal sandal
I mean, people minmaxxed vt2 classes too.
its rather a case of fatshark not knowing how to balance talent trees
scenic drift
I just don't fucking get it man
NOOO, POWERCREEP!"!
copper hawk
If it wasn't for the fact that For Honor and Darktide don't have other similar games in the genre
royal sandal
fatshark is also notoriously bad with balancing anyways
copper hawk
I'd uninstall both and never look back
real sonnet
I mean, people minmaxxed vt2 classes too.
Yes but you'll essentially get bored and switch off meta
Because you don't >>need<< meta to beat cata twitch 200%
carmine falcon
I mean, people minmaxxed vt2 classes too.
yes but im saying whats the point of a giant ass tree if its getting boiled down to like 2-3 builds that u see spammed in pubs?
scenic drift
Can't relate as a Executioner Kruber for 500 hours.
real sonnet
But you kinda need meta to beat havoc 40
carmine falcon
might as well just make smaller subclasses unironically
heady rapids
@carmine falcon what are we thinking
scenic drift
yes but im saying whats the point of a giant ass tree if its getting boiled down...
Yes, that's why classes were better...
copper hawk
game is fundamentally broken i think
solar gorge
been for a while
scenic drift
But... I guess with classes, they had to make free default skins for each class.
copper hawk
holy arrowhead moment
solar gorge
u are slow
solar gorge
you can't
copper hawk
scenic drift
with rejects and talent tree jank, it's more skins for the slopstore
solar gorge
i'm too pawerful
copper hawk
id rip u in half
royal sandal
If it wasn't for the fact that For Honor and Darktide don't have other similar g...
game so shit you want to uninstall but there's nothing better to do
carmine falcon
Yes, that's why classes were better...
yeah we're agreeing lol
acoustic dune
i'm too pawerful
paw-ficcer
copper hawk
game so shit you want to uninstall but there's nothing better to do
This
acoustic dune
get his ass
copper hawk
This x1000
scenic drift
oop, almost forgot to enable mods.
copper hawk
have all these double A and triple A games in my Steam library
time to hop on roblox ig
north solar
okay, ONE final vent, then i stop being sus, WHOEVER AT THE FATSHART OFFICES decided to buff shroudfield can go fuck themselves. stealth is counterintutive to the tide game experience and it is an asshole move to dump agro on your team out of the blue, shroudfield needs to be removed.
copper hawk
okay, ONE final vent, then i stop being sus, WHOEVER AT THE FATSHART OFFICES dec...
this bro
carmine falcon
game is fundamentally broken i think
just be like me and play it casually
That's what ive been doing with dt for months
i play on/off and just bing bong wahoo shit cause the endgame (havoc) isnt worth the time investment and balance is bing bong wahooo luigi edition
solar gorge
i only play marty nowadays anyvay
carmine falcon
okay, ONE final vent, then i stop being sus, WHOEVER AT THE FATSHART OFFICES dec...
u literally dont dump aggro on them rn tho
copper hawk
and, again, like what Cyber pointed out
scenic drift
did fatshark remove default emotes or ?
copper hawk
they have no idea what they're doing with zealot
scenic drift
copper hawk
like... no fucking clue
heady rapids
time to grind space marine
solar gorge
they have no idea what they're doing with the entire game
frosty herald
stealth on the melee frontliner is absurd
oh you can be a stealth frontliner lol
north solar
just be like me and play it casually
That's what ive been doing with dt for mon...
this, i don't want to spend 45 min looking for a game but would love to play with havoc modifiers in auric.
frosty herald
i can make the playstyle work cica
carmine falcon
dt is fun once u stop caring about numbers cause numbers hurt me head....
solar gorge
dt's still fun surez
the balance is struggling that's all
been like that for yearz
north solar
u literally dont dump aggro on them rn tho
if i press a button and something that was attacking me stops and goes to attack my teammate what else would you call that?
carmine falcon
if i press a button and something that was attacking me stops and goes to attack...
that doesnt happen anymore
when u go out of stealth they get stunned for a sec
real sonnet
Ok one thing that I hate about Vet vs Zealot is that for some reason, Vet gets better melee weakspot dmg than Zealot
north solar
that doesnt happen anymore
when u go out of stealth they get stunned for a sec
but when you go into stealth you literally do just dump agro
royal sandal
stealth on the melee frontliner is absurd
stealth frontliner is a thing you can look at shade
https://youtu.be/ZJPX57tOTZw?t=37
carmine falcon
and it doesnt really dump overheads on others
solar gorge
for the most recent patch not counting today's marty is zeal's most fun thing
north solar
and it doesnt really dump overheads on others
it absolutely does,
solar gorge
marty thammer my beloved
frosty crescent
i dont really feel that zealot needed a nerf?
tropic egret
okay, ONE final vent, then i stop being sus, WHOEVER AT THE FATSHART OFFICES dec...
Maybe it depends somewhat how you use Shroudfield. Shroudfield could be used to help save teammates, or clutch, when people go down
frosty crescent
why would they do this
real sonnet
Like, Precision Strikes, Marksman and Desperado make vet so much better than Zealot in Finesse weapons and that makes me mad
carmine falcon
its just annoying in the hand of bad players
frosty herald
which is massive
sterile stone
<:gigaxi:1332076070513545318>
frosty herald
its just annoying in the hand of bad players
i use shroud solely to run and revive run do objectives or run behind the enemy line for elite backstabs
real sonnet
I wanna use Knife on Zealot but it's soooo much more inferior than Knife on Vet
heady rapids
sm2 weekly is literally jedi purity lmao
solar gorge
it's still good
carmine falcon
i use shroud solely to run and revive run do objectives or run behind the enemy ...
i use it for dmg boost
lol
frosty herald
i use it for dmg boost
yeah that too
heady rapids
just noticed
carmine falcon
sm2 weekly is literally jedi purity lmao
first hard strata with 0% completion rate
frosty herald
i took half of the chaos spawns hp with 1 relic blde backstab
carmine falcon
this is gonna make many people ragequit
frosty herald
first hard strata with 0% completion rate
its so dogshit
north solar
Maybe it depends somewhat how you use Shroudfield. Shroudfield could be used to ...
this argument has been played out multiple times, in the end shroudfield ends up causing the exact same issues that it solves to become more frequent.
frosty herald
doesnt the 10m damage buff work on enemies?
heady rapids
first hard strata with 0% completion rate
it looks fun but not for me
its literally purity
carmine falcon
the ranged dmg buff is good but less hp and 1 armor segement 
north solar
also a decent stealth player stays in stealth for like 1 sec tbh
but people who play stealth are more than likely dogshit
heady rapids
insane damage buffs
carmine falcon
but people who play stealth are more than likely dogshit
replace stealth with dt
im one of them too
ive lost pretty much every skill i developed and just bing bong wahoo the game
sterile stone
okay, ONE final vent, then i stop being sus, WHOEVER AT THE FATSHART OFFICES dec...
Wait wait wait
drowsy furnace
in this house we just press lmb and do nothing else
sterile stone
Hasn't stealth been in previous titles aswell
solar gorge
yes
sterile stone
Ala Kerillian
heady rapids
this is the weekly
frosty herald
vt2 shade
heady rapids
basically
royal sandal
yes
solar gorge
it's a staple
frosty herald
and huntsman kruber
solar gorge
and everyone hates shade
royal sandal
?
frosty herald
this is the weekly
except in jedi youd usually oneshot people
royal sandal
no one hates shade its just that no one plays her because waystalker and sott exist
north solar
Hasn't stealth been in previous titles aswell
yes, with bardin, and knife ear
royal sandal
and also aggro-dumping in vt2 is less ergregious
solar gorge
yeah but back when it was played it had all the stereotypes dt's stealth zeal has now
sterile stone
yes, with bardin, and knife ear
Just reminded me we'll never get a playable Votann
Sadge
carmine falcon
this is the weekly
i think i kknow a good comp
banner spamming bulwark (no icon)
multi melta heavy
assault
north solar
and huntsman kruber
forgot about this, probably blocked it out from being executed one too many times
solar gorge
you forgot about it cuz on one plays huntsman krub
sterile stone
i think i kknow a good comp
banner spamming bulwark (no icon)
multi melta heavy ...
This weekly stratagem on hard is fucking washed, been trying for hours last night and no one can beat it
solar gorge
at least back when i played nobody did
royal sandal
you just see more gks
carmine falcon
This weekly stratagem on hard is fucking washed, been trying for hours last nigh...
i recommend u skip it tbh
solar gorge
gk's just too good to pass
royal sandal
even then huntsman gets the past since hes a backline
carmine falcon
and hard ones in general until u get comfy with absolute
sterile stone
It's not even difficulty
heady rapids
hard is absolute+
carmine falcon
hard missions use scaling from hard siege mode which has higher scaling than normal absolute
solar gorge
perma buffs for the whole team
heady rapids
heh e
solar gorge
just gk things
carmine falcon
yeah im just saying in general, hard is intended for those who find absolute too easy 
the scaling is pure utter bullshit
copper hawk
carmine falcon
1 enranged devourer can end u in 1 sec
sterile stone
A game mode for the tide players who don't shower you mean
sterile stone
Getting swamped by tyranid warriors isn't shit
It's when you make a wall of tyranid warriors and a fuck ton of ranged in the backline
carmine falcon
honestly its easier to grind on normal
normals are auto win and give 10 points
hard ones have a high failure chance and only 15
carmine falcon
It's when you make a wall of tyranid warriors and a fuck ton of ranged in the ba...
ranged scaling on hard strata is just comical
the little chaos sniper becomes their deadliest grunt
chaos terminators just delete u
devourers dont ever think about getting close
sterile stone
I dead ass just want the accolades for the burst fire bolt pistol
That's the only thing I'm missing from my sniper build
carmine falcon
i got all of them
i'd recommend auto plasma, burst pistol and xenoblade as top 3
normal shell
@long oasisi hate this temple https://medal.tv/fr/games/noita/clips/ll9tMvzqR3nxaesA_?
sterile stone
I'd got for xeno blade when I level bulwark
I've been trying to prestige sniper as I've already cleared tactical
sterile stone
It's just I've been on a streak of back to back fails doing the weekly
carmine falcon
i'd skip it if im leveling and just do the normal weekly
sterile stone
Sniper is fun when you charge up a shot and kill like 8 minoris and stun 2 majoris in a single charge from the fucil
carmine falcon
wait until u max him and start 1-2 shotting everything
heady rapids
nah i think im good
sterile stone
wait until u max him and start 1-2 shotting everything
I'm honestly just saving my schematics to auto buy the mastery for guns
I don't care to go through each and every variant of a gun tier to hit mastery with it
sterile stone
nah i think im good
Nice to see they fixed the issue from last night
scenic drift
BIGGEST NONSENSE CHANGE TBH
carmine falcon
I don't care to go through each and every variant of a gun tier to hit mastery w...
yeah that's what i did
weapon grind is already too much
i aint grinding individual ones lmao
i just buy them
scenic drift
hmm
slate notch
Nice, more unnecesary nerfs to the zealot.
real sonnet
Yeah Riposte nerf was silly
It was already worse sustain assault
And now it grants the same damage boost as the veteran melee operative node that's just flat +15% xddd
acoustic dune
<:pogryn:961977701533614130>
i got that with psycher
drowsy furnace
i got that with psycher
700 ish hours playing psyker and I never did lol
acoustic dune
700 ish hours playing psyker and I never did lol
should have played melee psycher
the only way to plaay psycher
drowsy furnace
I did 
drowsy furnace
I doubt it
slate notch
Is there any reason why FS hates zealots?
glad ermine
Same tbh, i got it with psyker too. Purg staff
misty nova
Bloodthirsty + Perfect Strike/Rampage
frosty herald
mk15 rampage bloodhirsty
misty nova
Is there any reason why FS hates zealots?
Because Zealot does zealot things
Regardless of what Fatshark does to it
glad ermine
wondering what you guys use for heavy evisc blessings
Mk3 evisc with shred and perfect strike, personally.
hazy hinge
i was planning on running perfect strike + opportunist
misty nova
No real need for Opportunist
glad ermine
Opportunist is eh
hazy hinge
what interactions does it even have
glad ermine
Thing is
On the chance you special active for ogryns/monstrosities
You're likely on fotf for crushers, for example
In those cases which is most
That does nothing for you
Since fotf evisc kills everything
hazy hinge
does it go faster though?
glad ermine
Wdym?
misty nova
i wanted to see if the special active and opportunist worked together
Most likely would interact, but there's not a lot of enemies that can survive the evisceration, specially bloodthirsty Evis15
hazy hinge
if i special active and fotf, will it die faster with opportunist
misty nova
So it wouldn't matter at the end of the day
glad ermine
Yeah opportunist will help but due to the existing TTK it's a negligeable help
You're way better off grabing bloodthirsty IF you're on mk15
misty nova
Also fury is 100% rending
So Opportunist wouldn't really help
hazy hinge
out the window it goes then
i thought FS said rending past 100% would be 1-1 dmg increase
so it'd be +25% raw dmg
misty nova
I really wanted to love Opportunist, but it doesn't love me back
hazy hinge
saddies
heady rapids
i thought FS said rending past 100% would be 1-1 dmg increase
1/4 and caps at 20% dmg
south prism
@normal shell 😨
misty nova
Damn, kuli acts fast
Already changed the pct tooltip on his guide
Games Lantern atm still at 100%
Or maybe I just need to refresh
Nope
Still 100%
slate notch
Is evisc mediocre for Havoc?
misty nova
Not really
One of the few weapons that can hit crushers for 9k carapace damage
While also having perfect strike so it'll ignore higher horde mass
Also cutting down captain shields
And shredding monstrosities
slate notch
Gonna try it, I just don't like relic so I'm gonna pass to the next weapon to test out
misty nova
While also having perfect strike so it'll ignore higher horde mass
Or mixed hordes
slate notch
Wish chsword wasn't that bad against armor
heady rapids
Still 100%
try now
misty nova
Wish chsword wasn't that bad against armor
Pretty sure it's the Xiiig
misty nova
Pretty sure Xiiig is the good one
Because the 4 is more hordes and shit
Not that the Xiiig is bad against hordes, still a Chainsword at the end of the day
slate notch
Still no dmg against carapace and can't figure out the blessings, they all look mid too. Shred/rampage my go to
slate notch
Chain weapons need new blessings, imo. A complete rework on their blessings, I mean
misty nova
If we're lucky, later this year
slate notch
If we are lucky... That's a good one
real sonnet
extra damage on hit blessing 😉
Relentless Strikes
drowsy furnace
woosh
humble wasp
Does scoreboard mod work at the moment or we are waiting for an update since patch?
south prism
Does scoreboard mod work at the moment or we are waiting for an update since pat...
ask here
copper hawk
sludge
long oasis
<@364042279167721475>i hate this temple https://medal.tv/fr/games/noita/clips/ll...
yea that place makes me want to die too
frosty herald
i wonder what kind of crack redditors are smoking to think zealot is the weakest class right now
south prism
they're redditors
frosty herald
minor nerf to pious cuthroat and they think the class is dead
misty ravine
If we're lucky, later this year
For whatever reason, Fatshark will overhaul class talents and abilities 10 times before they make large changes to weapon traits
copper hawk
Idk yam
heady rapids
The Ogryn can still be extremely tanky without investing that many points into the defensive nodes. We’re increasing the power of a few nodes in the defensive parts of the tree with the intent that we will see more successful builds that prioritize defense.
copper hawk
Zeal feels weaker than oggy, arby, and psyker
heady rapids
extremely tanky without investing that many points
We’re increasing the power of a few nodes
copper hawk
Havent played Vet recently to make an informed opinion
frosty herald
ogryn and arbites are just overtuned
heady rapids
zeal is for sure the weakest class rn
copper hawk
It troo
heady rapids
by comparison
normal shell
zealot should be deleted
copper hawk
https://tenor.com/view/meowl-cat-owl-gif-16304756704527773823
This gif is me fr
Like wtf
We noticed Oggy is tanky without the intended cost. We're giving them more tankiness at this reduced cost to...
Uh...
Checks notes
Entice Oggys to triple dip
heady rapids
We noticed Oggy is tanky without the intended cost. We're giving them more tanki...
they didnt say the last part
there is no
enhanced cost
signal spoke
hanging there
frosty herald
Cica you have to understand ogryn mains are incredibly dumb
heady rapids
zealot mains good at the game > nerfs
everybody else is dogshit > huge buffs
copper hawk
As of last patch, we've discovered Zealots are still having too much fun. We have nerfed all their CDRs across the board to reinforce the intended gameplay of playing to the talent tree. Fury of the Faithful cooldown increased from 30 to 40 due to spam.
heady rapids
i see a pattern here ESPECIALLY HOW FATSHARK ALWAYS BRING UP THE WINRATE
copper hawk
heady rapids
IN EVERY PATCHNOTE
misty ravine
hanging there
"How's it hanging?"
"Oh you know, hanging in there"
copper hawk
Spreadsheet balancing
Spreadsheet balancing.
It's definitely good for the longevity of a game
Just look at how happy Siege players are
heady rapids
its so incredibly evident
carmine lance
Are war thunder players even people
Or dbd players
I have yet to see evidence that they are
frosty herald
This also does kinda mean zealot mains are the best teehee
copper hawk
Oh, look how lively this corpse is! There's a fungus growing out of it !! Must be a SM2 player... another great game that definitely benefits from spreadsheet balancing!
heady rapids
sm2 has higher peaks than darktide btw
like 2x on average
so yes they are doing good
copper hawk
I Survived The Enshittification Of My Games 2025
misty nova
Or dbd players
DBD players every patch for actual reasons
copper hawk
SM2 apologism while the current stratagem exists on rotation rn is brave
heady rapids
anyone forcing you to play it if youre not confident in your abilities?
frosty herald
SM2 apologism while the current stratagem exists on rotation rn is brave
Its intentionally built to be a glass cannon stratagem
misty nova
SM2 apologism while the current stratagem exists on rotation rn is brave
Yeah we know SM2 is bad, don't worry about it though
Big man in big armor with big weapon fantasy is stronger
runic grotto
The Ogryn can still be extremely tanky without investing that many points into t...
This is the funniest shit ever
heady rapids
Big man in big armor with big weapon fantasy is stronger
https://tenor.com/view/space-king-spaceking-coagulators-bepositive-positive-gif-14154403909988337960
runic grotto
Ogryn too tanky > gets tankier
Zealot too good cdr > loses cdr
copper hawk
We've decided to give the player base a fun and fair challenge to engage with late game play! This new and invigorating rogue-like rotation this week will be ... you are totally naked and blighted by the shit that killed Guilliman! Being an ambulatory corpse will engage you in the skill based, roll spam reinforcing one-shot death gameplay mid-wave Hard Horde Mode is known for
carmine lance
DBD players every patch for actual reasons
Nemesis nooooooooooo
frosty herald
The weeklies are custom made
copper hawk
... by Fabius Bile
frosty herald
Saber said they wanted to have fun stratagems and super hard ones
I do agree that this stratagem is bad
There are hitreg issues and sound que issues
copper hawk
It seems the super hard ones have taken the fun stratagems out back and venom cannon'd them
frosty herald
A sniper will oneshot you
misty nova
The weeklies are custom made
proceeds to not list some modifiers
heady rapids
*proceeds to not list some modifiers*
they fixed that by removing the excess ones
copper hawk
Fun Stratagems™
misty nova
Did they fix that?
copper hawk
Soon™
misty nova
Oh yeah then it's fine by now
copper hawk
Not week one
misty nova
The joke still stands
copper hawk
And the first patch didnt work lmfao
frosty herald
And lictors raveners can spawn in and instantly do a grab attack which you cant react to because its less than a second
misty nova
copper hawk
It's gambling but without the reward
It invigorates the unemployed among us when the only thing they lose if they spin the wheel is more of their time
frosty herald
It's gambling but without the reward
200 big ones
copper hawk
And they have that aplenty
frosty herald
I do agree that stratagem rewards need to go up
heady rapids
there's always options
copper hawk
Ur right
misty ravine
And lictors raveners can spawn in and instantly do a grab attack which you cant ...
ravener
Guess Which Graphics Setting Makes The Super DOT Goop Visible 2025
frosty herald
Especially hard ones to 30 and 300 respectively
copper hawk
The rewards stink
heady rapids
rewards are easily the worst part about them
i dont mind the difficulty for the most part
frosty herald
I like my bolt pistol
copper hawk
If they let the wpn's be skins that'd be more than worth it
Let me have my fencing xenophase please
frosty herald
Let me have my fencing xenophase please
Theyre looking into that
Cause i would love to have the block heroic thammer upcoming update
copper hawk
You will have nothing
misty ravine
Heroic Chainsword having bonus charged attack damage in a patch where full throttle skip is broken is diabolical
copper hawk
And you will be happy
heady rapids
Heroic Chainsword having bonus charged attack damage in a patch where full throt...
i still dont understand how its broken but it has another fundamental issue
copper hawk
All is dust
frosty herald
Dont be so dramatic pookie
heady rapids
you push the target away
drowsy furnace
Tomorrow is the fall of man
heady rapids
kick into bash takes away the damage bonus
copper hawk
AH totally shat the bed recently w HD2
heady rapids
cause you're too far
copper hawk
Especially w the community
heady rapids
honestly the helmet alone makes all that shit worth it for me
and maybe the plasma
mm
copper hawk
BF6 dropped without staple franchise mechanics
Roblox and TF2
And occasionally a hit from the For Honor crack-pipe
All is dust
frosty herald
Sm2 might have its problems but it is a genuinely enjoyable game
drowsy furnace
Yeah AH sharted the bed lol
heady rapids
Sm2 might have its problems but it is a genuinely enjoyable game
at the very least there's decent feedback from the devs
copper hawk
Not for me really
heady rapids
and monthly updates
copper hawk
For SM2 anyways
drowsy furnace
I'll check back in 6 mo to see if they made any headway
copper hawk
The mods make it fun
copper hawk
But it's not a "play after work most days" kind of game
frosty herald
What if we make cica play mhgu
copper hawk
SM2 is like 150 gigs too
drowsy furnace
Sm2 is 80 yea
copper hawk
SM2
frosty herald
Nope
drowsy furnace
Wuh
heady rapids
no i meant
drowsy furnace
Lol
heady rapids
why would i want
copper hawk
Makes a pretty game look better
drowsy furnace
Who gaf yeag
copper hawk
Esp since SM2 has functioning frame gen
heady rapids
sm2 has a shitty fg option
copper hawk
SM2 looks gorgeous w the HD textures
copper hawk
normal shell
@south prism fuck
copper hawk
maybe i should write to support
frosty herald
SM2 looks gorgeous w the HD textures
Ill see
heady rapids
genuinely the worst thing about strats
probably
is the 1000 cap
considering we have 2 months inbetween patches
as for the modifiers themselves
we'll have to wait till next patch
misty ravine
is the 1000 cap
"Nooooo you can't save up to buy things as they come out!"
sterile stone
is the 1000 cap
Well this is valuable to know
heady rapids
i love randos on sm2
i krak a zoanthrope and they instantly shoot the other one
so he just shields it
i mean the other way
frosty herald
Well this is valuable to know
All curencies have a cap
Data is 20
The req points 2k
And accolades 1k
sterile stone
Well shit I've been spending my gold data like it ain't shit
Finally unlocked the gold tier snipers, bistols, and knives
frosty herald
Sniper is perfect for current stratagem
sterile stone
I mean it's alright
I can for the most part hold my own
It's just when my teammates start biting dust I'm kinda left with my dick in the wind
Being last alive and seeing just a ocean of majoris barrel towards you is not fun
Especailly when you have 2 armor bars and 1/3rd of your normal hp and your invis is on cooldown
Actually I'm lying
I think it's flat out just 1 bar
I'd have to check
scenic drift
green circles 
sterile stone
That's something I do notice alot in pubs also
People will just drop everything they're doing to run to a execution
frosty herald
Killstealing would be gone if the ui showed teammate armor bars
heady rapids
it barely matters
it shows you if they have armor tbh
should be enough for people with iq >1
hexed igloo
carmine lance
I think darktide would be a far better game if everyone else existed purely to take fire away from me 
sterile stone
I think darktide would be a far better game if everyone else existed purely to t...
Praying every barrel you get near insta detonates
heady rapids
are we fr
carmine lance
Praying every barrel you get near insta detonates
I’m still fucking pissed about last night
misty ravine
I think darktide would be a far better game if everyone else existed purely to t...
Woosh, you are now unable to equip flamer or incendiary grenades
hexed igloo
Praying every barrel you get near insta detonates
Shoving all the poxbursters toward you
gleaming furnace
slate notch
Is it worth putting carapace dmg on a taxe?
frosty herald
2 biovores
Enemy created by the ghost of lenin
young laurel
tis pretty sad that the zealot book clips so much trough clothing
gleaming furnace
https://tenor.com/view/your-actions-will-be-forgiven-unicouni-uni-your-actions-w...
ive shot so many bursters with the kickback ...
placid fiber
Enemy created by the ghost of lenin
carmine lance
@heady rapids I just noticed the status you have on your profile lol, ace combat 0 was a banger
heady rapids
they died gagin
frosty herald
That isnt the hard strata right?
heady rapids
no its a normal daily
carmine lance
Woosh, you are now unable to equip flamer or incendiary grenades
nothing will change for me
revolver and throwing knives are my GOAT
young laurel
so uhhh does this mean that the crit on is better now?
frosty herald
nothing will change for me
young laurel
well weapon depend
carmine lance
nah cut throat is still more consistent
young laurel
gotcha
carmine lance
https://tenor.com/view/wojak-chudjak-nothing-ever-happens-gif-118850656432494718...
exactly lmao
violet hornet
revolver and throwing knives are my GOAT
Aren't you a knife user? Are you running knife, tknives, and a revolver?
carmine lance
Aren't you a knife user? Are you running knife, tknives, and a revolver?
yes lmao
glossy nimbus
Crits don't ignore enemy hitmass right
sterile stone
Ayoooo @frosty herald The power axe dummy strong
frosty herald
Are you using the power backstep?
swift hearth
man i take it back being patronizing about people complaining about auric in general
carmine lance
sometimes I run relic blade, revolver, and incendiary grenades for the one tap build, but I can easily just stick to knife and do fine
carmine lance
man i take it back being patronizing about people complaining about auric in gen...
no, double down
swift hearth
no, double down
so many cheezy moments in just vanilla auric 
carmine lance
auric is easy and people are just dog
acoustic dune
swift hearth
no, double down
my journey to not being downed with helbore is gonna be a lot longer
carmine lance
nah jokes aside maelstrom is actually kinda cancer sometimes
swift hearth
wrists hurt im olde
carmine lance
if your teammates have bad prioritization
I love being stuck in the corner by 50 fire bombers
because nobody else thought to fucking deal with them
misty nova
Crits don't ignore enemy hitmass right
They don't ignore by default, correct
swift hearth
I love being stuck in the corner by 50 fire bombers
ogryn is a must
carmine lance
nah
frosty herald
I got a really satisfying hit on a chaos spawn
Sprint stab relic blade with shroud
frosty herald
Half of its hp gone
swift hearth
nah
idk im so tempted on removing stamina regen and replacing it with fire (bomber) resist
solar gorge
i'm medicated
young laurel
?
heady rapids
free crack
carmine lance
idk im so tempted on removing stamina regen and replacing it with fire (bomber) ...
I always run gunner resist, sniper resist, and corruption resist
heady rapids
come and get some free crack
frosty herald
on the onetap build
It feels really nice
carmine lance
it does
frosty herald
Its a good allrounder build
carmine lance
thammer is great for the guaranteed one tap
carmine lance
but relic blade is really fucking good for mixed hordes
acoustic dune
pissmaker
swift hearth
I always run gunner resist, sniper resist, and corruption resist
feel gunner resist is a bit redudant just cuz minor dreg/scabs all punch hard now
on havoc they are just mini specials
heady rapids
feel gunner resist is a bit redudant just cuz minor dreg/scabs all punch hard no...
it doesnt affect shooters
young laurel
Iod still on Crits
Pct is just for hitting heads
So yeah
It depends
then why did you send the ignored sticker? brother i am so fucking confused
swift hearth
it doesnt affect shooters
nopers
drowsy furnace
then why did you send the ignored sticker? brother i am so fucking confused
probably because your question makes no sense
swift hearth
i was complaining before about the game not making us make use of cover and ducking
but now whew
misty nova
then why did you send the ignored sticker? brother i am so fucking confused
Oh did I send that one?
Woops my bad
I meant this one
drowsy furnace
I will not elaborate 
misty nova
placid fiber
young laurel
LMAO
misty nova
That's on me and I apologize
young laurel
no problem
misty nova
swift hearth
young laurel
understandable
drowsy furnace
young laurel
also whats the general best relic blade mk?
heady rapids
10
carmine falcon
genuinely the worst thing about strats
its even worse with normal currency
2k cap
heady rapids
idk
heady rapids
invest in things
swift hearth
heady rapids
it is weird
swift hearth
they should just uncap shit
discovering melk let's you random roll curios was a godsend for my psyker
carmine falcon
oh im talking about sm2
swift hearth
needed those stamina bars to block shooties
young laurel
could never get into sm2 much
swift hearth
now i just need a mod to remove the bright light
carmine lance
the mod that removes psyker vfx has been such a fucking gift for me
carmine lance
I can see what the fuck I'm doing again
swift hearth
psyker effect removal mods are cool but very soulless
psyker living life on discord light mode
carmine lance
the inferno staff fire actually fucked with how I was able to visually process enemies on screen, their outlines got super muddled
genuinely felt like how zebras travel in herds so that their stripes blend together, make it so predators can't tell where one starts and another ends
young laurel
lmao
violet hornet
the mod that removes psyker vfx has been such a fucking gift for me
"mods are cheating" brigade from general chat would like to know your location
carmine lance
young laurel
me with simply numeric ui 
carmine lance
I literally just use scoreboard and Let Me See Again
violet hornet
Ask for quality of life? All you receive is quality of death
carmine lance
damn
frosty herald
theres a dude that had a crashout
violet hornet
Numeric ui adds a ring around health packs so you can see the edge, clearly a bannable offense
heady rapids
having mods should be a bannable offense
violet hornet
Having darktide should be a bannable offense
carmine lance
carmine lance
theres a dude that had a crashout
I would like to hear this story lmao
heady rapids
solar gorge
i'm going to draw a soyjack of my pc if it continues crashing randomly when i'm not doing anything on it
violet hornet
kerrigan
Man's crashing out so hard i cannot even tell what he's on about
Hilariously the rest of that thread is pretty coherent and has people rationally posting about how this is yet another indirect chorus nerf because why not
misty nova
Hahaha
heady rapids
best to remove it from the game and make an actually fun ult
misty nova
Mans mad
Hahaha
He's mad about who gets the kills
For like proc condition reasons
violet hornet
He's mad about who gets the kills
I have had people give me shit for complaining that people take elites and specials I've barely not finished off but I only care when im struggling to maintain throwing knife ammo really
misty nova
Somehow blaming on psykers as well
violet hornet
Beyond allowing you to do more damage it really doesnt matter
swift hearth
He's mad about who gets the kills
literally why auric now throws like groups of 30 ragers for ruffs
violet hornet
I guess having chaff is nice for toughness gen too but definitely not critical
sterile stone
@frosty herald Noticing a trend
The higher the difficulty
The lower the class variety
sterile stone
I think lethal and absolute have been nothing but heavy + bulwark
And I guess tactical fills a 3rd spot
I can see why bulwark is a staple pick
frosty herald
Vanguard is good for extremis healing
swift hearth
The lower the class variety
vanilla auric has bigger elite groups, havoc will throw continuous smaller waves
sterile stone
I just saw man solo a 1v15 of rubrics, a helbrute, and sorcerers
All by himself
On absolute
sterile stone
Like when he lost any health he just reposte a mob and got it all back
signal spoke
sterile stone
He damn near solo'd the vortex beast
sterile stone
He kept having this blue ring pulse from him
And he kept throwing this blue wave from his axe that basically auto stunned rubrics
frosty herald
And intimidating aura
sterile stone
Nah not the thing on the ground
visual stream
the mod that removes psyker vfx has been such a fucking gift for me
That exists?
sterile stone
Like it was a pulsating aura
visual stream
Does it remove it entirely or make it actually bearable to see
Because I hate the soulblaze vfx so god damn much
signal spoke
visual stream
Now that plasma gunners make sense, I can go back to calling that Darktide's worst mistake
carmine lance
Does it remove it entirely or make it actually bearable to see
it makes it so that I genuinely didn't even register a psyker was running smite, even with enemies standing still in the electrocution stagger animation
and it affects ALL psyker vfx
visual stream
it makes it so that I genuinely didn't even register a psyker was running smite,...
Oh it just removes it entirely 😭
carmine lance
Oh it just removes it entirely 😭
digital yew
how is it that zealots weakest side of the tree ends up with all the nerfs lol
literally nuked IJ from even being used completely now
heady rapids
what changed
digital yew
nuked pious cutthroat again
and riposte got a nerf
so why on earth would we go down that side of the tree when blazing piety and invocation of death is miles better now
carmine lance
pious cutthroat isn't terribly nuked from what I can tell
ok sure 25% reduction stinks
misty nova
Because iod needs crits
digital yew
crits are literally every hit with blazing piety lol
carmine lance
relic blade carving through hordes still chunks the cool down
like I've seen it physically jump a bit
so I don't think that will be changed terribly
digital yew
But not every weapon wants BP
i wasnt using it since the new update since I preferred IJ with pious cutthroat but now im back on BP with invocation bcz of the nuke
does fatshark just want zealots only using BP again since thats what its been like for years
carmine lance
I think you just have a woe is me doomer mentality
drowsy furnace
I use blazing piety with everything because other keystones make me toxic af
misty nova
I main only Martyrdom
carmine lance
IJ I just don't really vibe with
carmine lance
martyrdom is fun with weapons that can crowd control
and handle single target moderately ok
violet hornet
I used to exclusively use IJ and now i use anything but that
drowsy furnace
I love both IJ and marty but holy fuck they both just make me ignore my team completely
violet hornet
Certainly sounds like its not a common pick anymore
carmine lance
yeah ij never really stood out to me
digital yew
IJ was goated this update until now where theres nothing worth picking on that side of the tree anymore
carmine lance
brother what
vast basin
ij still strong and now there isn't even a point tax to get iod, which means knife ij is even stronger
Like it is the strongest defensive keystone zealot has
violet hornet
Idk marytr tdr and PB fotf spam make for pretty good defense
vast basin
Eh I would prefer better dodges. I go Marty hammer for fun now though
violet hornet
Hmm i do forget about the better dodges that is nice
carmine lance
I prefer marty relic blade
heady rapids
reading these feels good knowing i only play ep smite with scriers
carmine lance
LMAO
vast basin
Smyker in my zel chat
carmine lance
so why do people hate smykers
solar gorge
so why do people hate smykers
turns the game off
carmine lance
I never fucked with smite as a psyker so I'm curious
royal vortex
i hold smite the whole game and when people start running ahead i whine in voice chat that psyker is the slowest class
carmine lance
ah
violet hornet
Watching smykers trying to solo the cspawn using only smite is very entertaining tho
carmine lance
I think one of the only things I dislike about combat knife, is that hit registration gets weird with bosses sometimes if I'm going for backstabs
drowsy furnace
I think I'll try making a fotf IJ build next
heady rapids
hello mr fatshark
carmine lance
like I'll have 20 whiffs while I'm up against the collision mesh
heady rapids
pls more nerfs for zealot
violet hornet
Yeah same with thammer, the hitreg is ass and costly on such a slow, hard hitting weapon
carmine lance
yeah
solar gorge
another 10 billions to psykrael
misty nova
so why do people hate smykers
2 edged blade
Good smite players will turn the game off
Bad smite players will turn the game off and go down frequently
They both turn the game off
carmine lance
lmao
yeah that's fair
also that kerrigan guy in the forums was funny as hell
like sure, I can understand the annoyance in having an elite kill taken from you
I get blueballed on that myself
carmine falcon
pls more nerfs for zealot
tried the hard weekly got insta folded holyfuck lmao
at least normal was ez
carmine lance
but I don't crash out about it and call the devs dogshit lmao
heady rapids
tried the hard weekly got insta folded holyfuck lmao
lmao
heady rapids
wcyd
carmine lance
I'm just like "man, going for a killing blow and hitting an already dead enemy is just deeply unsatisfying"
carmine falcon
im doing it for the funsies
heady rapids
like
yeah i mean but
also
custom stratagems at some point in the future
so i dont really feel like im missing out
xd
heady rapids
monster hunter is right there man......
carmine falcon
not grabbing that until they fix perf
heady rapids
oh its good now
genuinely
or you could wait until december
but it's been a steady increase
carmine falcon
fr? not too long ago it almost hit negative cause of perf
heady rapids
with every patch
heady rapids
fr? not too long ago it almost hit negative cause of perf
dude its hitting negatives every patch
yk why?
carmine falcon
lmao
heady rapids
so the game stuttered
score plummeted
then tu3 came
on average a lot higher 1% lows and better perf overall
but reframework broke
carmine lance
man I'm bored af in class
glossy nimbus
man I'm bored af in class
drop out
carmine lance
no
heady rapids
its genuinely funny looking at that unfold in real time
carmine lance
because I need da credits
glossy nimbus
its not compsci right
glossy nimbus
I wish I were u lwk
heady rapids
first time "works on my machine" is a valid argument cause im not stupid !!!!!
glossy nimbus
used to be compsci
I dropped out due to mental health/compsci being an awful decision
carmine lance
I was fine with the computer part, but physics fucked me up and it would've just been a huge pain
to keep retrying it
so we were like "hey, I'm taking all these writing electives, why not pivot to english"
and that's what I did
now I take a bunch of creative writing courses and it's a lot of fun
frosty herald
first time "works on my machine" is a valid argument cause im not stupid !!!!!
Dude legit i cant wait to do gogmazios with you
carmine lance
though my professor kinda sucks in my opening a novel course
heady rapids
https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wilds-palico-felyne-speen-spinning-cat-gif-2438448516908540108
carmine lance
because ok, the idea is to have the beginning to a book
but it feels like she wants an entire story crammed in there
frosty herald
also gogmazios as the final TU monster is so good
glossy nimbus
though my professor kinda sucks in my opening a novel course
How much reading you've done this semester
frosty herald
carmine lance
a fair amount but in other courses
carmine lance
expect a fair amount of literary analysis
glossy nimbus
Literature is really cool
carmine lance
but it's not terrible
glossy nimbus
creative writing...pawesome..
carmine lance
it's quite fun
I'm still annoyed with that opening a novel course tho
professor is having me do a whole ass exposition dump at the beginning and it's just
why can't I more slowly introduce that
exposition dump just, feels bad
heady rapids
why not dump mobility
carmine lance
shit, you're right
also sometimes I'm just surprised at how difficult it is to convey things
glossy nimbus
why can't I more slowly introduce that
I'm a bit curious too