zealot-class

[solar gorge]

it's a shootgun actually

[hearty nebula]

TRUE

[warped trellis]

@mighty root

[quaint spruce]

yes... its a shotgun

thank you

you answered the question atleast

thats a start

[mighty root]

It’s so peak

Melee psyker tac axe

Could have been 0 damage if team wasn’t trying to kill me

Darktide pvp

[acoustic dune]

I LOVE VET RECON

I LOVE HOLDING M1

(not a joke)

[hearty nebula]

vet recon made me want to turn my brains into confetti

absolute dogass gameplay

🚬

[solar gorge]

psyker tier

need to be deleted from da game

[hearty nebula]

anyways unrelated note, new vet melee be fun

[mighty root]

Tac axe on vet goes crazy now

[hearty nebula]

i'd assume so

i just have zero interest in giving myself arthritis

[mighty root]

Weak

[hearty nebula]

i'm already gimped by my keyboard 😭 i dont need it to be even harder

[solar gorge]

i'll play tac axe when they make it have glowy bits and not boring looking

snork mimi axe

[hearty nebula]

stupid fuckass D key gets stuck like 50% of the time i press it

[mighty root]

My Chinese controller is showing signs of wear

[solar gorge]

they should make tac axe be a dual wield so it's cool

[mighty root]

Guh…….

So much that

[solar gorge]

vt2 slayer style

[mighty root]

Zealot dual tac axe……

Soyker dual tac axe……

[solar gorge]

and to compensate they'd have to delete the most boring weapon in history, the caxe

[quaint spruce]

i got eaten by this snail, then spat out... i received an insta headshot and dying

[mighty root]

I try to use the caxe and just end up wishing I used something else

[solar gorge]

u should get on the crusher crind

[mighty root]

I hate how the heavies are sticky

[solar gorge]

best weapon in the game

[mighty root]

Mmmmm ij crusher

[solar gorge]

yes...

[mighty root]

Guh….

[drowsy steppe]

what kind of zealot player are you?

[mighty root]

I get kicked for killing everything and “not letting people enjoy the game” or ““speedrunning””

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cruelty-squad-gif-21708952

[solar gorge]

i'm swagged out

[hearty nebula]

khan maxxing

[frosty herald]

i got kicked twice in sm2 for some reason

people dont like it when a fresh class performs well

[hearty nebula]

hey it could be worse it could be hd2 where some fucking dipshit leaves their lobby open just to kick you despite the fact they threw down an SoS beacon

[empty python]

yooo, 2 stacks of "Against All Odds" + deathspitter gives Agri Inf Autogun capable of cleaving H40 moebian 21st now

[hearty nebula]

they seriously need to fucking remove host only kicking and put in vote kicking instead if you've got more than 2 people in a party

[acoustic dune]

what does that mean

fresh class?

[frosty herald]

i got kicked twice on a lvl 12 tactical

without prestige

[acoustic dune]

thats stoopid

lethal?

[hollow patio]

Did they add techmarine already?

[frosty herald]

It was average lmao

[acoustic dune]

they added ur mom

[acoustic dune]

that is stoopid

[hollow patio]

Dem aliens in a world of hurt

[acoustic dune]

the flip flops

them hurt

[hearty nebula]

cant wait to spend 5 trillion dollars on space marine 2 and not even give a shit about the campaign

and just play coop exclusively

[empty python]

Shroudfield is SUPER VALUE now, I saved my team in Havoc like twice lol while also just deleting bosses with Thammer...sadly we lost

[hollow patio]

You can do campaign co op you know

[hearty nebula]

how am i supposed to know stuff about a game i dont have

[acoustic dune]

chat

[hearty nebula]

other than some shit in it is

[acoustic dune]

should i?

[hearty nebula]

particularly scrunkly

[hollow patio]

You ask chatGPT

[empty python]

lmao

[hearty nebula]

no

[empty python]

how does a game fumble so hard tho

what happened

[hearty nebula]

"ask chatgpt" "ask gemini" "ask ai"
no thanks i'll just ask my autistic friend who has a special interest

[tulip gulch]

Yes

[hollow patio]

that works too

[hearty nebula]

at least they won't lie to me 🚬

[acoustic dune]

why

[tulip gulch]

From what it says will be added to the update its going to fix 99% of the issues i had with the game on release

[hearty nebula]

well

[hexed igloo]

You need like 15 autistic friends with different special interests and you have basically the encyclopedia of everything that ever existed

[hearty nebula]

that's just what it says

wait until it's actually out before you glaze it

[hearty nebula]

exactly

[acoustic dune]

isnt that what the emperor did?

make 15 primarch

[hexed igloo]

I'm out here counting my chickens before they hatch bro

[acoustic dune]

to get his 15 different wikipedia

[hexed igloo]

It's gotta be like heresy or some shit to say the primarchs are just random autistics

[tulip gulch]

Ive always found firebreak to have a pretty solid core but it just lacked content and replayability

[hexed igloo]

What actually is firebreak

Is it just another 4 dumbasses kill shit

[tulip gulch]

And the update is adding a new mission along with stuff to make each mission randomized

[tulip gulch]

3 dumbasses but yes

[hexed igloo]

Close enough

[tulip gulch]

Its set in the universe of control/alan wake

[hexed igloo]

Oh so barely exists

1700 all time peak is rough

[frosty herald]

when i checked yesterday it was at 17 players peak at the day

[acoustic dune]

prove me i am wrong

magnus the magic nerd

[hexed igloo]

I'm not deep enough in 40k lore to know anything

[acoustic dune]

gulliman the exel nerd

dorn the construction nerd

[hexed igloo]

I listened to a single trench crusade lore video and I know more abt that than 40k

[acoustic dune]

et etc etc

[tulip gulch]

Ngl it shouldve released as early access

[acoustic dune]

the blacksmitch nerd that is vulkan

and the aerodynamic nerd that is the khan

[hexed igloo]

Kill all early access games actually

[acoustic dune]

alpharius the train nerd

or smth

omegon the alpharius nerd

[frosty herald]

They might just release the winter update then stop updating firebreak

Cause it underperformed massively

[acoustic dune]

erm i think you iz wong

[tulip gulch]

Theyve said they have plans for 2026

[acoustic dune]

early access is ok actually

[hexed igloo]

Open betas are great we love em but early access is a copout

[frosty herald]

Firebreak also had a steep pricepoint

[hexed igloo]

It's just an excuse to sell the entirely unfinished game so they can patch it up later

Qa testing is dead the job has just been pushed onto the consumer

[acoustic dune]

i bought it

i might aswell give it a try

[solar gorge]

arbites in my auric hi stg

spam ping

spam ping ping ping ping

[exotic plaza]

there mod for that lol

[solar gorge]

reported and initiated votekick

[exotic plaza]

unfortunately

wait youa can vote kick?

[solar gorge]

yes

probably in a squad so it didn't go thru

but if ur out there

i'll beat u up in real life

u play arbites too

[empty python]

im lowkey getting a bit annoyed with vet smokes lmao

I do not think it does anything to snipers (could be wrogn), and definitely not bombers

I see the value, but generally they just obscure vision making it hard to pick the specials :/

[solar gorge]

ping spammer

go to see steam profile

1 vac ban on record

[scenic drift]

wdym, nameplates are visible through it

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/cobson-edit-gif-17725429570181052605

[dark zealot]

bruh

[scenic drift]

is fine

I just need 1 or 2 more missions and I will never have to pick that node again.

[solar gorge]

yeah it's awesome

[dark zealot]

why do I feel like some changes are good/nice

and the rest are idk kinda ass

[empty python]

man wym loner is fucking ass

in general

-15% stam is actually pretyt nice, you can push follow attack quite a bit more

[quaint spruce]

how come they removed it

[empty python]

cuz it's a selfish aura

[dark zealot]

I know I hate it

[scenic drift]

against the whole gameplay loop as well.

[frosty herald]

a lot of misinformation and the aura being useless

[dark zealot]

but it feels like they gutted some stuff just for stamina management

and stuff with cds

[empty python]

cdr is fine, it's not as much as before, but it's fine, the only thing that's mostly affected by that is chorus

[solar gorge]

which is good

cuz fuck chorus bots

[empty python]

which is good

yeah

chorus spam is...not very healthy

[solar gorge]

cd just take pious cutthroat

it's broken

[dark zealot]

shield buff is good but the cdr nerfs are cringe

[solar gorge]

100% uptime

[empty python]

man if you're worth your salt, cdr nerf is SUPER negligible, if we take everything else into consideration

[dark zealot]

wasnt it flat cdr before? or am i getting it mixed with the other one?

[empty python]

it was not

you're talking about veteran

[dark zealot]

no im thinking of the crit one on the left side

[empty python]

not to mention apparently psyker's cdr skill thing isnt team-wide anymore

[empty python]

it was not flat cdr

it USED to, a very long time ago

which was also super unhealthy lmao

[dark zealot]

nahhhh

[scenic drift]

pious is like as good? as taking both before.

[tulip gulch]

Yes it was

[scenic drift]

it's super busted

[tulip gulch]

Cdr stacking on zealot was absurd

[empty python]

wym, shit basically 100% favored crit-weapons, while others are left in the dust, the reworked one made it work for EVERY melee

[tulip gulch]

So was tac awareness on vet

[dark zealot]

to be fair what else could you do?

anyway did they make the cdr curio not pointless?

[empty python]

it was never pointless lol

[scenic drift]

it's still kinda mid on non-chorus

[empty python]

shaving off a few seconds is nice in general

maybe not as much on vet

[tulip gulch]

Still a instapick

[empty python]

but on zealot it's basically always pick

[tulip gulch]

On every class

[dark zealot]

you'd have like 1.5s of value which didnt do anything since youd get you cd back so fast anyway

[empty python]

you'd be surprised by how much 2-3s matter in havoc 40

[tulip gulch]

It was minimum 3.6 seconds

And 7.2 seconds from chorus

[dark zealot]

still dont remember anyone saying to use it over the other options available

would be like saying use the bleed knife and wear the skull mask

[tulip gulch]

Then you mustve been in some weird places cause almost everyone here would agree cdr on curios is a must pick

[scenic drift]

[empty python]

fr lol

[dark zealot]

this very same discord

what next the auto pistol is meta again?

[scenic drift]

I think the only guy to ever advocate triple cdr curios on fotf, left the server

[dark zealot]

tbf though I havent really played properly since before the arbites was released soo probably after the twins and when we got the power sword thing

[empty python]

do you Havoc?

[dark zealot]

never really played the highest difficulty even before that was added

[empty python]

maybe it generally doesnt matter much in non-Havocs like Aurics and Damnation and stuff

[dark zealot]

I only have 300 hours in the game

[empty python]

but it really does matter quite a lot in max Havoc

Hell, auto pistol can be amazing if you build it with a role in mind, it aint even that bad

it's basically a toughness tool with a lot of stagger

[dark zealot]

before the item upgrading was reworked I only ever had like a nearly perfect chainsword and one of the rifle patterns

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/deimos-r6-siege-gif-6204485797971098070

[dark zealot]

Darktide plays like warframe, you have to commit to playing it a lot and my brain changes what I want to play every two weeks

[empty python]

i got like 3.5k hours into this game lol

[dark zealot]

yeah exactly

[empty python]

and also 7.3k in warframe

😐

[dark zealot]

my most played game on steam is about 650 hours in dota 2... most of which was probably in the menu

[empty python]

either way, if you dont like bring cdr curios then you dont have to, honestly it probably doesnt have too much of an effect even in Havoc anyway, depending on how you do

[dark zealot]

or automation, because making cars for beam is fun

[dark zealot]

I always thought the idea was health/toughness and dmg resist from gunners or the other annoying things

though id run mine for extra resources because I was always broke

[quaint spruce]

is that a flex?

[empty python]

gunner dmg resist is definitely a must, +hp +toughness are PRETTY NICHE, I never take them

[empty python]

maybe

[dark zealot]

so what are you running instead?

[quaint spruce]

if youre a gamer i guess its worth smth

[tulip gulch]

Those ones are good

Specially toughness

[empty python]

toughness is better than hp at least, I mostly see it on vet tho

[tulip gulch]

But like each curio has 3 slots so you still have some room even if you put cdr on all curios

[exotic plaza]

revive speed is very clutch in havoc

[acoustic dune]

You know what's better?

Not going down

[dark zealot]

is the flamer in a good state atm? always felt kinda silly to use it when zealot has such good melees to tear through hordes that were faster and safer?

[empty python]

cdr, gunner resist and uh 30% toughenss regen. honestly the 30% toughness regen is whatever, give or take.

you'd wanan get stuck in with ppl in Havoc so it's nice

[tulip gulch]

Toughness regen is pretty bad

[dark zealot]

shield of contempt was good for that, the real aura buff was that not loner

[tulip gulch]

Coherency toughness regen is like nothing

[solar gorge]

u need at least 1 toughness regen

[acoustic dune]

Thought on poxbomber perk

[solar gorge]

across the 3 curios

[empty python]

i guess it's ok, but pretty niche

[tulip gulch]

Cause flamer has infinite cleave and also does stagger

[spare talon]

revive speed

[dark zealot]

as if thats ever stopped the zealots melee?

[tulip gulch]

Depending on which melee yes

[dark zealot]

suppose if you have a bleed dagger

[tulip gulch]

Thammers are prob the biggest example

[dark zealot]

truee forgot about those

[tulip gulch]

And also dueling sword/knifes true

[quaint spruce]

nice job

[spare talon]

theres nothing zealot has that tears through hordes faster than flamer

[acoustic dune]

There is one

Ur mom

[spare talon]

so its just the perfect compliment to something that sucks at actually killing hordes

[frosty herald]

also works on nets and ledges right?

[dark zealot]

Did they ever fix the bugged thing on it?

[spare talon]

nets and ledges and rescues as of this patch

[frosty herald]

nets are already fast

so how fast is the new revive speed on em

[tulip gulch]

Plus you can mitigate the lack of ranged sniping with the throwing knives

[spare talon]

i think i have a clip somewhere

[quaint spruce]

could you rate my stuff rq?

[spare talon]

the animation straight up doesnt play

[dark zealot]

animation skip?

[spare talon]

not nets but heres ledges

[dark zealot]

ohhh i remember what i was doing, I was suffering through the challenges

because stunning thousands of enemies with the grenade is fun

[frosty herald]

bruh

[dark zealot]

or kill a sniper from 50m away

[scenic drift]

💀

has to be bait

[dark zealot]

?

[spare talon]

yeah no i dont have a clip of it

[quaint spruce]

nvm then

[scenic drift]

I didn't scroll down, someone was hyping toughness regen on curio

[dark zealot]

slowest form of toughness regen aint it?

doesnt buff anything else that gives toughness

just the passive regen right?

[tulip gulch]

Just the regen from coherency

[hearty nebula]

yeah and guess what doesn't work 90% of the game

[tulip gulch]

Which is a flat amount and has like 15 different things that can interrupt it

[hearty nebula]

that's right

coherency toughness regen

because it turns off the moment you get into combat 🙂

[dark zealot]

loner better than that shit

[tulip gulch]

Nah

[hearty nebula]

no because loner literally also stops doing anything the moment you got into combat as well

lol

[scenic drift]

wish they'd rework it to +toughness replenishment, then it might be very good depending on hte numbers.

[dark zealot]

loner will not be missed

[tulip gulch]

Loner also meant you werent taking either of the actually good aura options you had on zealot

[spare talon]

Wdym your stuff

[hearty nebula]

yknow

their stuff

[spare talon]

Their stuff

[tulip gulch]

+30% toughness replenishment per curio would be gigabusted ngl

[dark zealot]

my beloved

[solar gorge]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14427682440137849682/96088C4CE34EDCC26BE68283451F6FAFEEB05531/

[quaint spruce]

my build?

[solar gorge]

pingpingpinpignpingping

[quaint spruce]

what else do you think of

[solar gorge]

i hate this guy

[dark zealot]

the fuck is this

[quaint spruce]

"your stuff" there isnt much that i would like to share besides the only thing we share

[quaint spruce]

the rework

on zealot

talent tree

[tulip gulch]

Peaj

Peak

[frosty herald]

this is beautiful

[spare talon]

Where is it lol

[frosty herald]

hi im stuff

[quaint spruce]

i never sent it

but alr

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-laugh-officer-balls-jonkler-gif-1879670291507813849

[quaint spruce]

its like good manners to ask someone before sending

but its fine dont sweat it uncle

[dark zealot]

so the good nodes from the top

are now locked down at the bottom under one section?

[quaint spruce]

depends what you used

[spare talon]

Im an uncle now I think i should just kms

[solar gorge]

nononon

it isn't

i want this guy dead by daylight

[frosty herald]

cole unc status

[quaint spruce]

your own choice

[frosty herald]

when am i invited to the cookout?

[dark zealot]

and this is just mandatory?

[tulip gulch]

Most nodes have been moved around and changed

[tulip gulch]

Yes

[spare talon]

A lot of strong build specific nodes were moved to the branch that they fit in, while more general nodes stayed at the top

[tulip gulch]

It was already part of literally every single zealot build that was even somewhat competent

[spare talon]

Functionally a passive
Also now it means you dont need to go out of your way to grab it

[spare crescent]

Yuh

[spare talon]

Better than a stat node for branch pathing

[spare crescent]

All zealots too angry to die

[dark zealot]

the little passive nodes are all gone

[tulip gulch]

Not all

[dark zealot]

memes died for the meta I guess

[spare talon]

So you can spend those points taking talents you want

[tulip gulch]

But the majority yes

[dark zealot]

there is 4

[placid dust]

What i noticed this patch is that veteran is a better zealot 😞 has more dmg than zealot, can 1shot bosses with kraks and the same time can have plazma gun to nuke evrything else.

[dark zealot]

what if I wanted the movement speed?

or the toughness dmg reduction

[spare talon]

Iirc that node is still there in the bottom left

[tulip gulch]

Both are still there

[spare talon]

And theres more sources of dr

[tulip gulch]

And you have other talents that give both of these

[acoustic dune]

chat i am gonna play fire break

wish me luck

[dark zealot]

there was two

[spare talon]

Most stat nodes have been consolidated into each other or into the base class itself

[tulip gulch]

Just a heads up you might want to wait for the update

[spare talon]

I mean not everything's gonna stay in a rework

[dark zealot]

whats even the point of this if it is mandatory anyway

[quaint spruce]

i mean its really cool

[tulip gulch]

Theres going to be a bunch of changes trying to improve the new player experience

[quaint spruce]

i like it atleast

[spare talon]

Look at the branches
Thats why

Its for pathing

[dark zealot]

like oh at lvl11 i just get 25 toughness

lvl 4 i get 10% melee buff

[acoustic dune]

why so?

[dark zealot]

why even keep them if your gonna remove almost all of them

[tulip gulch]

Because it means you can take any blitz or ability you want without an extra cost

[spare talon]

So you dont have a line of 3 stat nodes you have to cross if you want X talent on the other side

[tulip gulch]

#zealot-class message

[quaint spruce]

i wish i had more toughness, i had like 230 and now i only have 200 with luck

[dark zealot]

but wasnt the point you had to pick and choose what nodes you take

like you were gonna lose something somewhere so the choice mattered more

[spare talon]

The problem before was how many points you had to spent just to get to the nodes you wanted to take
Like a lot a lot

[dark zealot]

now you just get everything with no downside

[quaint spruce]

i guess theyjsut wanna give you everything now

so its more new player friendly

ig

[spare talon]

Zealots main build before only had like 8 nodes you cared about
Everything else you took was just in the way

[tulip gulch]

Jsut for the abilities, blitzes and auras

[solar gorge]

no it's just easier to get from 1 side to ther other it's less taxing, literally

[spare dome]

The choices before weren't really choices. Like yes, you could choose to drive with four flat tires.

[quaint spruce]

thats why you have to pick carefully and not every random perk

[spare crescent]

Yeah now there is actually CHOICE

[spare talon]

Holy shit autocorrect

[spare crescent]

I can pick a BUILD

Rather than the build being this one node and then death

[solar gorge]

now you can fluidly navigate the tree

to get what u want

[quaint spruce]

thats kinda shitty imo

[dark zealot]

this one stayed?

[tulip gulch]

The fact there isnt any additional cost to get any specific blitz or ability is a huge W

[solar gorge]

you definitely can't get everyhting

[tulip gulch]

Ye

[spare talon]

Yeah cuz its good

[tulip gulch]

Its niche but for that niche its really fucking good

[quaint spruce]

you can have any perk you want so easily, lost the creativity somewhat

[spare crescent]

Hey I love that node leave it alone

[spare talon]

Weapon specific but yeah
When its on the right weapons it fucks

[quaint spruce]

never used this

[spare crescent]

Makes revolver zealot pin point accurate and John wick

[spare dome]

Shotguns and BAGs love it.

[spare crescent]

And I mean the braced revolver

[tulip gulch]

Also good for bolter magdump on bosses

[spare dome]

That's twice the effect of XStance btw

[acoustic dune]

oh

[quaint spruce]

whats a BAGs?

[tulip gulch]

Braced autogun

[dark zealot]

okay but thats still basically mandatory?

[spare dome]

Big Ass Gnarlies

[quaint spruce]

thats nice

i dont use it but i can imagine it being useful

[tulip gulch]

Not necessarily

[drowsy steppe]

thy wrath be bazingas

[quaint spruce]

id rather fight back or block than taking dmg

[tulip gulch]

Its good tho

[spare talon]

I never run a build without it

I refuse to

[spare crescent]

I mean not really, I don’t really run it on chastise builds

[solar gorge]

i don't run thy wrath on most my builds lol

[quaint spruce]

thought it would be useful but its really useless with me

[spare dome]

Friendship with TWBS ended, all my homies love Unfaltering now

[tulip gulch]

And it being right under until death means there isnt any additional cost from it

[spare crescent]

How’s gun zealot looking anyways

[frosty herald]

i use both

[spare talon]

Its stun_immune and slowdown_immune
It says melee attacks but its coded for all attacks
And slowdown immune prevents knockback from things like flamers

[quaint spruce]

i mean you can just dodge out the flames

which is kinda faster

[tulip gulch]

Thy wrath?

[dark zealot]

"just dont die"

[quaint spruce]

yeah kind of

[spare talon]

Yes but sometimes shit happens

[solar gorge]

yes

[tulip gulch]

Damn

[solar gorge]

cuz fs can't make decent tooltips

[quaint spruce]

there is very many easy solutions but people like to be lazy

[next crow]

That's like saying "you don't need toughness or damage reduction at all, just don't get hit"

[quaint spruce]

and just let the immunity hit back

[tulip gulch]

Didnt know it also had slowdown immunity

[next crow]

Which is technically true but not useful in practice

[dark zealot]

"just play pixel perfect and you dont need any nodes or anything but your starting gear"

[solar gorge]

yah it doesn't say it

lmao

[spare talon]

And you get hit with that first tick and knocked back
Which could fuck you up bad depending on the situation

[quaint spruce]

lmaooo

grey guns build

no nodes

its chill trust uncle

[spare talon]

Twbs also let's you do objectives interrupted even if youre hit

[tulip gulch]

So the only thing unfaltering has over thy wrath is removing the movement penalty from heavy attacks?

[dark zealot]

tbf if you cant beat the hardest content like that

you cant say shit like "just dont x"

[spare crescent]

Wait so if a sniper shoots me I don’t get pushed a billion feet or if a shotgunner slaps my ass it won’t knock me back ten feet?

[solar gorge]

i really thought they'd have corrected the tooltips for zealot's tree rework

[dark zealot]

heck even do it solo

[spare talon]

Yes

Twbs does that

Flat out, all the time

[spare crescent]

That’s awesome what the fuck

Walking into a shotgunner like terminator

[dark zealot]

as the guy thats gonna be running it down in melee, you want it

even helps against gunners right?

[spare crescent]

Don’t gunners not stun anymore?

[solar gorge]

nah, i ain't running down in melee

i'm sliding in

[spare crescent]

Swear they changed that in a previous patch

[solar gorge]

like a snake

[tulip gulch]

?

[solar gorge]

yes

and it does less

cuz it just prevents u from getting ur heavy melee attacks cancelled

[spare crescent]

Damm, so only good on thunder hammer?

[dark zealot]

if your heavy melee when the hit happens

[solar gorge]

that's what uninterruptible does

[quaint spruce]

i won in havoc 25 with grey guns

was pretty chill

[dark zealot]

it just gives super armour when doing that as opposed to you are just harder to kill

[tulip gulch]

Damn

[spare talon]

Really depends on the weapon but yes thammer is the biggest example

[solar gorge]

but if you run any melee weapon that's not great mobility wise and uses a lot of heavies unfalt is still a must pick

[dark zealot]

yeah being faster when heavy meleeing sounds fun

[tulip gulch]

I kinda feel like unfaltering should get something more or be merged into another talent

[spare crescent]

Yuh, was gonna run it on eviscerator too so I can be a lawn mower

[dark zealot]

specially since they seem to want zealot to be more mobile

[tulip gulch]

Its just weird how zealot has 3 different talents that give some form of stun immunity

[dark zealot]

so where would I got next for a back stab build 13/30 points

[spare crescent]

Strange how the priest archetype is the fast one but if you take one look at zealot saltzpyre in vermintide you can tell where they got the idea from lol

[clever ferry]

do ya'll think thunder hammer is viable for havoc ?

[solar gorge]

yes

[quaint spruce]

get the middle purple node

thats all you need

[exotic plaza]

it currently bugged and not working

[dark zealot]

"zealot" is very zealous about throwing it down asap

[exotic plaza]

unless the latest patch just fixed it

[tulip gulch]

What melee?

[dark zealot]

you think I thought that far ahead?

[solar gorge]

you don't get ur heavies interrupted currently so it's working as intended

[dark zealot]

you know what crusher is a finesse weapon right?

back stab crusher

[clever ferry]

what kinda build would work well with thammer for havoc ?

[exotic plaza]

it has like one move with good finesse multi

[spare crescent]

Which is strange cause they just nerfed crusher nimbleness for some reason I swear?

[exotic plaza]

also crusher really struggle to kill stuff outside poxwalker

[quaint spruce]

id go for crits but idk what the others would say

[tulip gulch]

PA right?

[exotic plaza]

it can cc sure

yeah

[tulip gulch]

Thammer has pretty bad crits

[clever ferry]

I was thinking something with martyrdom/shroudfield backstab stuff

[exotic plaza]

the only worthwhile move on crusher is pa and h2

[quaint spruce]

yeah thats why a crits build

[exotic plaza]

h1 is too slow for anything

[quaint spruce]

idk the backstabbing isnt my cup of tea

go for it

[exotic plaza]

and the light have zero cleave

[clever ferry]

I just wanna bonk big damage on single targets tbh

[tulip gulch]

Why would you go for crits on a weapon that doesnt have good crits

[quaint spruce]

ohhh okay then it makes more sense

[clever ferry]

What do you mean by not having good crits ?

[quaint spruce]

so it has good crits?

😭

[exotic plaza]

it doesn't have good crit multiplier

[quaint spruce]

isnt it obvious

[exotic plaza]

crit is not universal

[clever ferry]

so more worth to go for backstab damage multi ?

[dark zealot]

isnt the only thinger the hammers good for is one shot bonks?

which need crit?

[tulip gulch]

Its like building crits on the majority of ogryn weapons

[exotic plaza]

tbf piety kinda work on thammer if you want to be a tank but martydom is way better

[dark zealot]

zealot is the crit guy though

[tulip gulch]

The actual bonus you get from crits isnt really that good

[exotic plaza]

psyker and vet moment

[quaint spruce]

i use the hammer for elites and bossfights so thats why i want crits

[tulip gulch]

Not for thammer

[solar gorge]

marty thammer, pick either fof or shroudfield

ur good now

go hit stuff

[clever ferry]

Okie thanks

[dark zealot]

the hammer is only good vs a single beefy target you want dead asap

[solar gorge]

thammer unactivated heavies clear hordes decently now

and you can just spam m1's in elites

it has good dmg

[clever ferry]

i was thinking thammer + zarona or flamer with daggers

[dark zealot]

now imagine them dead in one bonk

[exotic plaza]

thammer + flamer

[quaint spruce]

and then with crits you can clear a whole horde of elites

[exotic plaza]

because thammer cant deal with horde

[exotic plaza]

it doesn't work that way

[quaint spruce]

flamer should be pretty good

[quaint spruce]

it worked for me

[dark zealot]

nah just use bleed dagger instead its great vs single targets and hordes

[quaint spruce]

idk how you tried

[solar gorge]

thammer can deal with hordes aslong as they aren't densely mixed

[exotic plaza]

lol

[clever ferry]

But that's not what I want to play though

[tulip gulch]

Thammer has a low crit multiplier

[solar gorge]

if u see groaners/poxwalker horde don't flame that

[tulip gulch]

Compared to other weapons

[dark zealot]

thats was sarcasm

[clever ferry]

It's about playing something I like the idea of and haven't seen any thammer builds yet

[clever ferry]

Sarcasm kinda hard to tell over text

[solar gorge]

that's just true

[quaint spruce]

yep

[dark zealot]

ahh well the jokes the bleed daggers bad at horde clear so anyone saying use it is joking or... silly

[tulip gulch]

For thammer martyrdom works much better

[clever ferry]

unyielding , carapace
Thrust, headtaker
Thammer
Opinions ?

[scenic drift]

I really hate that, because twohanded hammer wasn't amazing, but it was okay in vt2

[spare talon]

The ideal

[quaint spruce]

should be chill

[clever ferry]

Well lets be honest melee in v2 > dt

[exotic plaza]

except the part that said dense horde

[clever ferry]

Melee in dt just feels a lil clunky compared to v2

[exotic plaza]

because that all the time

thammer can't deal with anything that isn't poxwalker

[solar gorge]

dense mixed

i said dense mixed

[wooden river]

Yes

[dark zealot]

why would I go the middle purple node when this is a better cdr

[quaint spruce]

odd

[wooden river]

I've been asking for this since release

[quaint spruce]

really odd

[clever ferry]

Yeah they need to add dual weapons

Especially to zealot

[wooden river]

Same with dual swords for Death Cultist aesthetic (I mean, shit, it's on the base Shroudfield icon)

[clever ferry]

Double duelling sword go brr

[wooden river]

but yes I want to run around roleplaying a tall slayer

[quaint spruce]

im not sure which one it is but one of them gives you crit chance bonus and like some sort of melee bonus dmg

[spare talon]

Because its a 5 second difference that only happens the instant youre in combat whereas the marty one works all the time
Plus you may not be pathing over there since you might want other nodes elsewhere

[quaint spruce]

could be mistaking

[solar gorge]

the only weapon that should be dual wield is the tac axe

cuz it's too boring rn without that

snork mimi axe

[quaint spruce]

oh its 10% dmg boost

[wooden river]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-2-warhammer-vermintide-slayer-bardin-gif-15875181584785943192

[solar gorge]

grimniiiiiiiir

[quaint spruce]

up to 50% dmg boost

[tulip gulch]

Technically the shield weapons are dual wield

[wooden river]

dwodawwiiiiiiiiiii

[clever ferry]

What kinda stats on a purgation flamer ?

never used flamer no idea what to use on it

[spare talon]

Dump damage

[dark zealot]

thats martydom yeah

[exotic plaza]

historically shield ARE weapon

[quaint spruce]

the gun is more of a staggering weapon

not a dmg

[exotic plaza]

?????????

what

[spare talon]

This is bait

[clever ferry]

it clears hordes too though no ?

[tulip gulch]

Isnt it 2 seconds?

[frosty herald]

Flamers damage comes from the burn stacks

[quaint spruce]

lmao

everyone on my balls

[wooden river]

I want a Crusader Sword and Shield for Zealot too

[solar gorge]

flamers dmg is in the dot yes

[quaint spruce]

once i drop smth

[exotic plaza]

its the second best horde fclear waepon in the game

[solar gorge]

that's why dmg is a dump stat cuz it doesn't affacte da dot

[quaint spruce]

brotato chips youre the one who stated the thammer cant deal with anything

im crying 😭

[dark zealot]

its 2 seconds of 100% reduction with no cd mentioned

[quaint spruce]

just bc youre ass with the thammer it doesnt mean the weapon is ass

[clever ferry]

I have this (need to level mastery up)

[dark zealot]

so just hit weakpoint or backstab and youll have more value

and it works even if you are not low hp?

[spare talon]

Ammo is dumped here but you want damage dumped

[quaint spruce]

looks nice

[clever ferry]

You really think so ?

[exotic plaza]

ammo dump on flamer

why

[dark zealot]

the dmg on hit isnt what kills its the burn

[solar gorge]

dmg stat only affect the direct dmg not the dot

[clever ferry]

It's the only one i have

I haven't bothered trying to get flamers

[quaint spruce]

you can use it till you have the gun maxxed

[tulip gulch]

So its 2 seconds reduced from each proc assuming it goes for the whole duration

[quaint spruce]

should be fine

[spare talon]

Yes
Damage only affects thr damage of the impact, not the burn damage over time applied, the difference between 80 and 60 for damage is 1 single point of damage per hit

[quaint spruce]

you dont need to minmax everything rn

[misty nova]

Nuh uh

[clever ferry]

Alright thank you shouties

[misty nova]

Min max everything

[dark zealot]

what?

[misty nova]

[solar gorge]

mobility dump is also fine

[quaint spruce]

gang let them farm until they can actually use the weapon

[solar gorge]

but less optimal

[dark zealot]

for 15s as long as its up thats 15s saved?

[tulip gulch]

Basically each second with the effect active is effectively considered as if 2 seconds have passed

[quaint spruce]

it does, just slowly

very slowly

[dark zealot]

yeah so a 30s cd is now 15s?

[tulip gulch]

Thats how every "+x% cooldown regeneration" talent works

[tulip gulch]

If you have full uptime yes

[dark zealot]

22.5s would be the the other one if your 25% hp or less

[tulip gulch]

20 seconds

[spare talon]

No itd be 20s

[solar gorge]

tbh pious is up all the time u just need to have an enemy in front of ya

[spare talon]

Which wouldn't need an active condition with marty, youd be at that hp anyway so its always up even if you arent swinging

[acoustic dune]

@long oasis @violet hornet

I HATE THIS SPAGHETTI

GRHHHHHH

[dark zealot]

oh right its 1.5s not 30*0.75

so 20s

whyd they make cdr so weird

[tulip gulch]

If youre taking martyr's purpose then chances are youre also taking martyrdom

[solar gorge]

i tooke pious on my marty build cuz i also wanted the dr on weakspot hit talent behind it

[spare talon]

Because they couldn't just take it back and they needed a way to standardize it across abilities rather than it be flat % based

[solar gorge]

i think it's called hubris

its p good

[slate haven]

Dump to 60 finesse always 😎👍

[dark zealot]

with this id assume the idea is that I want shroud field up as much as possible

[dark zealot]

its beside it

[quaint spruce]

if you see valuable enemies to use it on yes, if not then not

[solar gorge]

oh yea

still it's near pious

so might aswell take it

[slate haven]

Hey fellas r we feelin pious cut throat or invocation

[solar gorge]

depends

du u crit a lot ?

[tulip gulch]

Theyre both good

[slate haven]

I kinda like pious over invocation nowadays

[dark zealot]

between good balance and hubris thats a lot of dmg reduction, throw in shield of contempt and you are tanking

[solar gorge]

if ur weapon doesn't crit a lot

take pious

[dark zealot]

what about this node?

[tulip gulch]

Free damage and cleave

[quaint spruce]

if youre close combatant then its gonna be useful

if youre far away its kinda useless to pick ngl

[slate haven]

When r u far away on zealot

Has gamer lost the plot

[tulip gulch]

Gets better the higher the difficulty

[quaint spruce]

i saw some dw

in havoc

[dark zealot]

10% dmg if 10 enemies are near you?

[tulip gulch]

And 50% cleave

[slate haven]

50% cleave would be really nice if u don’t have deathblow or perfect strike

[dark zealot]

doesnt cleave fall off though? like if my chainsword can hit 6 enemies 50% cleave isnt doing much?

[quaint spruce]

im asking myself that alot while im here too, i dont know why people forget the things we are talking abt and then just not think, the same goes to in the game

the fanbase is somewhat slow

[slate haven]

Real

[quaint spruce]

but thats pretty much expected

[dark zealot]

but for the crusher 50% cleave is 50% more bonking

[tulip gulch]

Cause you can hit more enemies

[dark zealot]

I was under the impression though that doesnt matter after so much cleave it wont do anything

or on high cleave to start with weapons like the two hand chain swords

[tulip gulch]

If its not infinite cleave then not really

[solar gorge]

helps cc dense hordes

of mixed shit

[elfin steppe]

Why is the new boltgun dealing less damage and has even less clip size

[dark zealot]

22/30

[solar gorge]

it's aoe

[dark zealot]

23 once I get the purple

so 7 points to spare

[solar gorge]

use new bolter like a flamer and it's p good

a flamer that can also hit stuff far away

[quaint spruce]

niceee

[dark zealot]

hmm punishment on the crusher for that extra bonk ||im joking please dont kill me||

[quaint spruce]

it has higher explosion dmg or area rigjt

oh you said it

nvm

it has aoe

[dark zealot]

less single target/on hit dmg

but more aoe

so a supression tool?

[quaint spruce]

id say 400+ dmg is still enough to kill

so more of a groupkiller

[elfin steppe]

So, I'm using the limited ammo to kill poxwalkers

[dark zealot]

with the shroud field mod that replenishes 50% toughness how much that would become?

[elfin steppe]

Because it can't kill anything else

[quaint spruce]

it says stackwise

but the way you calc it

[dark zealot]

assuming 5 stacks

[quaint spruce]

is that you have your normal toughness, then your toughness from shroud

then your toughness by second

[elfin steppe]

Not really worth it tbh.

[quaint spruce]

so 50% from shroud, 5 stack is 25% and then its 25% of the 50%

i hope you get it

[dark zealot]

so only 12.5 more?

[quaint spruce]

yes

[heady rapids]

it's an up to 50% increase for every toughness source

[quaint spruce]

62.5%

[dark zealot]

suppose the 8s of 30% dmg reduction after leaving stealth is the good part

[heady rapids]

it's probably the reason everyone is running marty rn coupled with all the other toughness buffs

[elfin steppe]

You might as well just take both second wind and enemies within, the effects are much more noticeable

[heady rapids]

as you have a lot more survivability with martyrdom now

[quaint spruce]

you already have little threat chance

[dark zealot]

its 5% per stack and marty stack up to 5?

[quaint spruce]

-75% or smth

[dark zealot]

for 5s

[heady rapids]

wait I miscounted

it's 5 stacks

per 5%

[quaint spruce]

big times

[heady rapids]

to all toughness gen

[quaint spruce]

lmao

25%

[heady rapids]

it's still a hefty increase

considering it affects everything

[elfin steppe]

Is it?

[quaint spruce]

i lowk thought about that aswell

toughness per second multiplied by 25%

[dark zealot]

with the 100% tougness on skill nvm 25% is still small

[quaint spruce]

what 100% toughness

[heady rapids]

It's not just per second

[frosty herald]

@ripe quest what was the calculations for EWEW and martyr toughness generation

[heady rapids]

It affects talents as well

Basically all generation

[quaint spruce]

i never said its just

please open your mind

i said an example

[tulip gulch]

Its +25% to all toughness replenished

[dark zealot]

would EWEW and this together be good?

[dark zealot]

but like 25% of 8 is 2

[acoustic dune]

chat

[quaint spruce]

whats ewew

[heady rapids]

Just 1.25 it

[acoustic dune]

am i cooking

[frosty herald]

enemies within enemies without

[tulip gulch]

Where are you getting that 8

[dark zealot]

assuming 20 stacks 20*0.4 is 8% per second

[quaint spruce]

it goes up to 10 max

i looked at it aswell

[tulip gulch]

Its 20

[quaint spruce]

oh

[quaint spruce]

oh my bad

[heady rapids]

ewew is one of the best sources of passive gen rn

[quaint spruce]

i misread monstrosities for stack max

[heady rapids]

it's really strong

[elfin steppe]

0.25*0.075 that's how much more you get

[sand pilot]

fym we can backshot 1 shot most monstrosities now with the warhammer

[dark zealot]

always could

[quaint spruce]

gang atp i really reconsider making a new build

[sand pilot]

[heady rapids]

how does it feel having actual options lmao

[quaint spruce]

yeah

how is that

surprising

i even did that before the update

[quaint spruce]

its not having options, its minmaxxing now more

[heady rapids]

it's hard to minmax now that the options are actually competitive 🙂

[dark zealot]

wait doesnt even matter

they are two keystones

[quaint spruce]

thats why its minmax…?

[dark zealot]

so it can only ever be the 15.5% at most

or 10% with just ewew and marty

[tulip gulch]

You have more stuff that is replenishing toughness than just ewew

[dark zealot]

sure

but 10%/s for just being near 6 enemies or two if ones a monstrosity

[sand pilot]

dude all z*alots players always ran knives or that one aoe skill. Never the warhammer

dont start sassing me

[quaint spruce]

well you have to be near them, thats the harder part

[heady rapids]

as a zealot?

[tulip gulch]

Pretty sure its just 5 enemies or 1 monstrosity

[carmine falcon]

what is the "warhammer"

[quaint spruce]

not all, as a zealot main im proud of not being mainstream

[dark zealot]

so per enemy include the first?

do is 3.5% if there is one enemy?

[quaint spruce]

its called having an own opinion and not copycat everyone

[heady rapids]

2.5% with 1% per enemy

[solar gorge]

it's the thing we have 40 thousands of

[quaint spruce]

thunderhammer

[carmine falcon]

hello im big e and im running the warhammer

[sand pilot]

Thunderhammer.

[carmine falcon]

i see

[solar gorge]

th for short people

[carmine falcon]

yeah big thundie was rare tbh

[misty nova]

It's me the real emperor
I need 400 aquillas for the throne

[solar gorge]

only ran by BEASTS like me

[dark zealot]

what is this

[heady rapids]

More reason than ever to run it now

[quaint spruce]

too bad my precious thunderhammer is mainstream now

[carmine falcon]

i was watching mr unc

[quaint spruce]

story mode, i suggest skipping it

[carmine falcon]

he was warming up with aurics

[sand pilot]

do it once

[carmine falcon]

1 tapped like 10 bosses

[sand pilot]

then skip on the other char

[heady rapids]

yeah you have like

[carmine falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4HxKS7D6NE

[quaint spruce]

do it once with a character you wont main

[heady rapids]

a lot more dmg now

[carmine falcon]

1 shot build is back

[dark zealot]

can i do it on my lvl 30 witch (psyker)

[heady rapids]

with all the talents

[quaint spruce]

bc its annoying

[heady rapids]

zealot buffed

[quaint spruce]

yes you can, its just a story mode locking you from havoc

[dark zealot]

eghh cringe

[tulip gulch]

Nvm

[misty nova]

"The new zealot"
Old zealot obliterated bosses as well

Bait used to be believable

[quaint spruce]

useless petty much

[drowsy steppe]

the thunderhammer isnt even a warhammer, but more a maul

[heady rapids]

yeah on 0 hp

[solar gorge]

it's a hammer with the clap of thunder

[carmine falcon]

tbf pre update getting consistent 1 shots on bosses was a lot more finnicky

[quaint spruce]

it just says the story about darktide.. which we should know by now

[tulip gulch]

Monstrosities do immediately get you to max stacks on their own tho

[carmine falcon]

bro straight up just 1 tapped every single boss

[misty nova]

I'm actually going to dislike that video because misleading title

[quaint spruce]

the newbies have the fun of it

[carmine falcon]

fk u

mr unc is da goat

[heady rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387766557576269915/1416600102713426020/IMG_2287.gif

when is zealot getting a rework

[drowsy steppe]

theres 4 missions missing in the campaign list btw

[quaint spruce]

disliking bc theyre making my weapon mainstream

[tulip gulch]

3 days ago

[carmine falcon]

damn ya'll savages

hope you twist your kneecaps

[quaint spruce]

gotta gatekeep

[heady rapids]

But what about the second rework

[solar gorge]

psyker rework inbound

(deleted from the game)

[misty nova]

Already happened

[heady rapids]

wait

[quaint spruce]

i use toughness, toughness regen and gunners

gunners are hella op

[misty nova]

This is basically a third rework

[heady rapids]

does this patch mean they inderectly buffed ginger resistance

gunner*

[misty nova]

Wdym

[quaint spruce]

its against every ranger right

[carmine falcon]

yeah fk them gingers

[solar gorge]

no

[quaint spruce]

oh

[heady rapids]

plasma got added

[solar gorge]

it's just for gunners and reapers

[heady rapids]

it's a gunner elite

[misty nova]

Oh

No

[quaint spruce]

plasma is such a bad add ngl

[misty nova]

Not plasma gunner

[tulip gulch]

Get cdr instead of dockets (or health if youre still farming them)

[heady rapids]

tf

[dark zealot]

filthy witch removed lets goo

[heady rapids]

that's stupid

[quaint spruce]

its like a faster sniper

with more ho

hp

[dark zealot]

im broke

[misty nova]

The code still only specifies the gunners and reapers

[solar gorge]

do th plasma guy doesn't count as a gunner

[misty nova]

Also

[solar gorge]

u sure

[misty nova]

Plasma just breaks your toughness regardless

[solar gorge]

cuz the characters call them out as gunners

[drowsy steppe]

pain

[quaint spruce]

yep

it takes you from behind

[tulip gulch]

How the fuck did you run out of plasteel but not diamantine

[quaint spruce]

or smth

[heady rapids]

reaper is literally just ogryn gunner

[drowsy steppe]

tone down the toughness damage xd

[dark zealot]

anyway see what I mean about 50% cleave being ehh?

[tulip gulch]

Crusher is also just a ogryn mauler

[carmine falcon]

plasma gunner dmg is fine
just give them better audio and visuals to spot
and dont spawn in 1000000 packs

[heady rapids]

stat buffs:
damage_taken_by_cultist_gunner_multiplier
damage_taken_by_renegade_gunner_multiplier
damage_taken_by_chaos_ogryn_gunner_multiplier

[carmine falcon]

its ok to have an enemy that can hard punish u

[drowsy steppe]

that is the game code's name for the elites yes

[heady rapids]

well that's stupid

it's a gunner where's my resistance

[drowsy steppe]

how so?

[scenic drift]

me when nade arby takes all the nades:

[drowsy steppe]

renegade means scabs. cultist means dregs

[heady rapids]

unlike reaper it's even actually labelled as one

fatshark consistency

[tulip gulch]

I mean if you already have something else giving you a fuckton of cleave then yeah +50% aint doing that much on its own

[misty nova]

Yup

[dark zealot]

what about for the Big bonk stick

[misty nova]

No mention of renegade_plasma_gunner

[solar gorge]

plasma GUNNER, characters call them GUNNERS and it has a GUN(er)

[scenic drift]

mastery levelling

[drowsy steppe]

this can be explained that they just havent recorded voicelines yet

[scenic drift]

you buy gray/green, upgrade and fodder for xp

[heady rapids]

probably didn't change that cause they are cooking up a curio rework

for sure

[misty nova]

Cleave for Chainsword is good

It has a quirk

[solar gorge]

curio rework bringing back the old toughness regen speed stacking

[misty nova]

Where it carries the bonus crit damage to all the targets hit

[heady rapids]

good

[scenic drift]

huh, do I cut punish impiety?

[quaint spruce]

theyll most likely fix that later

[tulip gulch]

Idk how they could rework curios

[scenic drift]

is there a ui mod that lets me put buffs in the middle of my screen like it's a wow raid in 2011?

[misty nova]

Sure why not
Although the choices on that row aren't that great

[dark zealot]

still not sure where to put the last 8 points

[clever ferry]

cuzstom ui

[tulip gulch]

What are the weapons again?

[quaint spruce]

look at those

[heady rapids]

why aren't you getting marty mods

[quaint spruce]

true that

[quaint spruce]

im so nice that i give my mates a 10% crit chance by cohorency bonus

[dark zealot]

all the marty mods?

[heady rapids]

it's not telling you to cut it it's telling you to push attack more 😭

[misty nova]

At least tdr and attack speed

[carmine falcon]

this mod is lame

according to this thing half of the nodes dont work

[misty nova]

Yeah

[solar gorge]

at least get the attck speed

ur missing out

but they're all good