#zealot-class
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The "hypothetical" seltzer can
https://totalcsgo.com/binds/grenade @plush estuary @obsidian ore @proud rose @worn tapir
Commands, help and the CFG file for the grenade binds in CS2, as well as binds for flashbang bind, flashbang bind (cs2), smoke bind, smoke bind (cs2), he grenade bind, he grenade bind (cs2), molotov & incendiary bind and molotov & incendiary bind (cs2).
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WHO WANNA SPACE MARINE 2 W ME AND MEOW
can soon
y r u playing
cs gaming rn
cs2 made me pregnant
✅ verified pregnant
@acoustic dune drew it
hes usually asleep at this time feel free to dm him
aw
I just made a good financial decision
you did indeed
Send a picture of it
I really don't wanna not use my throwing knvies
but I want the hood...
I might as well just buy the sisters in battle set, no?
give obese fish moneyyy
There isn’t an SoB set in DT
I don’t check that
with the hood
I’m never buying anything there and it has a tendency to crash my game because of how modded it is
ah
yes
Muni is the preferred one
Skullcrusher + Hammerblow/Falter/High Voltage
I don't remember the perks 
Except that don't use Unyielding on it
Hello leggy bird
Hi Stan 
it's this
tell me this doesn't look sick
Fuck yeah dawg
Even the fuckin' running capstone one?
Impressive
I don't even have that one done and I do not think I will for a WHILE
which one is that?
The only zealot penance I have left is finishing 100 missions
I hope martyrdom stun grenades isn't griefing
(on auric)
because I want my hood
but I don't want to grief games
Nothing is griefing in auric as long as you pull your weight tbh
I'll have to play realy good to offset having no knives and having yk, martyrdom
trynna send the pic of my penances
but cant
guess only red tags can

how do you even become a convict o.0
hmm fair
stuns are good people just don't like them because of pathing (and it being the only blitz we had for a long while)
well the thing i was trynna show is my account valor
Martyrdom is quite good even if I don't like the playstyle and knives can be offset with patience or a fast ranged weapon for special sniping
im at 5165/5500?
majority of penances done
just have some psyker,vet and ogryn ones to be done and then the bleak mission stuff
Luckily I borderline main bolt pistol
which is super slick for special sniping
and pretty much everything else

it just kills everything by itself
it's like a P320 if you drop it, it will kill someone
trust just do it in mortis trials
i literally did the stun nade ones in an hour, every single one
by going on the african server and waiting till i got a regen nade indulgence and just chucking them every 20 seconds while the bots screamed for help
did the stun nades ones by mistake
african darktide server my beloved 💙
stunned a sniper from a mile tossing for shits n giggles
ands then stun into flamer for the 10s enemy ones 40
yup, the flamer one's super easy
did the 75 crit kills with that one as well going for it
I'll get some friends to do mortis trials with
or this server
i need to get started on the gold tag penances
show off and look like a poser for once
ngl mortis is easy as hell
you just gotta get into a rhythm with it
"reject" gang
i literally only collect them, im true level like 130+ on psyker and still proudly display reject on 'er
ya thats plan
im on TL 83 on my zeal
i shamefully point out my highest is on my arbi, but only cause i was finishing penances

ill push the zealot above that soon anyways
i 100%'d arbi the first week i played them, so uh
well apart from the 75/100 mission ones
ya same, but still 90
lmao

i took my sweet ass time doing them 1 by 1
wasnt efficient with it by doing multi penance

i did everything except the middle capstone one
bc holy fuck the middle capstone is so boring compared to the others 
on arbi? ya
and even then its still just vet's but better lul
Any advise on how to go about building my zealit
check the pins
there's a compendium for quick info
Reject clears ASS I’m afraid
No title clears all
Call me crazy but Vet's WS feels way more impactful and intuitive than TW to me
TW just feels like extra effort for the same damage result as EO
i think its cause on vet its his most efficient buff to buff playstyle is enhanced by it
while on arbi it just makes you deviate and look for a number to count buffs
like you said more intuitive and more natural for vet
In pins or some of the regulars can link
Mine atm
what the heck is this?
2nd train mission I've lost because some guy wants to kill adds in the back with no sense of urgency
Has the train timer ever been tight
If your team gets knocked down/disabled every minute, yes
Seems like you had bigger issues than not being fast enough
They compound
Staying back to try and full clear while your team moves on which leads to dying which leads to people either needing to double-back or be a man down
was also an ogryn dying solo to chaff so idek
guys do my buffs look ok?
Needs Vet ammo aura
Roblox game called Grace
The main mode is sort of like Doors except speedrunning through a level and parkouring while working around entities
The clip is Reprieve, sort of a minigame mode for fast but risky shop resources, where you parry the entities and collect pillars instead of the normal gameplay loop
I love this I play it all the time
Have you tried the Zen mode?
Guh no
I got to where they introduced the smiley face

How do you deal with it
Stop moving?
Average Tactical scoreboard 😄 All ranged, no melee
Idk about that chief, only for gunstrikes and parries for plasma freeload lmao
what would be a good weapon to pair with my eviscerator to snipe specialists?
ive tried the combat shotgun, bolt pistol, and vigilant autogun and I quite like the bolt pistol
another question, how does the bolt pistol compare to the boltgun?
Im surprised they still havent nerfed that tbh
i used to run block chainsword and have shiton of melee dmg 
Yus
You need to stop moving and crouch
Even if the pink thing is on its way
they've been doing nothing but buffs for a while
the few nerf patches they did got a review bomb birgade
so yeah
It gives you a bit more time to get to cover when there are other entities in play
bolt pistol is a fast sniping pistol
bolter is a jack of all trades kinda weapon but its a bit clunky to use and works for both sniping and deleting bosses but feels slow to run with
The tradeoff for being slow with bolter is that it's just great at almost everything xd
the slow bolt sniper and plasma pistol (never used it). Knife
stalker my beloved
The tradeoff for being fast with bistol is that it's worse at everything 
also yeah tactical is funny you never really need to pull out your pistol lmao
Sadly. Idk what the state of gaming is nowdays that balancing a game to actually maintain a challenge is a sin
If a game isnt what was advertised, sure, it should be known, but because your favourite toy got nerfed? Fuck outta here
mfs wanna play minecraft creative mode so bad
just use a resource pack and get out of my game
nah they're doing alright
they buffed the player but also made siege mode hard mode actually hard and new absolute diff can kick your ass
game's in a good state rn
even if some of the balancing feels like spreadsheet stuff
Absolute is good, im still on the fence about seige mode
Its aiight, but idk, areas are a bit dull
siege is fun i just wish it didnt require a nasa computer to run
its just combat simulator
its two arenas but they arent the focus at all
Yeah, but its the same reason I dont find the Mortis trials all that interesting in DT, the sense of progression and reaching past difficult bits of any given mission just arent there
Like finishing missions like CommsPlex on high Havoc feels like an acheivement, killing enemies in a box with a couple spicy waves thrown in just doesnt
well the difference between mortis and siege is you can fail siege but you beat mortis in your sleep
i do agree i wish it had better rewards or more maps
siege is really fun but i expected more after they took like 9 months to release it lol
Yeah, ditto
as in more maps and better progression but the actual mode is very fun
Its not bad gameplay, its just a bit lackluster
just needs more stuff
its ok the skeleton crew still working on the game will add more 
nope
Heavy Eviscerator is so fun
Mine
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no it doesnt .
im nice to u.
im going to bw doing this to you
Knek
it’s quite ugly
feels funny doing havoc as a level 50 something arby
@stoic thunder
What blessings go on relic blade?
The guide says cranial and rampage
but I feel like heatsink would be better to keep the sword powered at all times
what suggestions might there be for a holy relic build
?
I typically see it with crit weapons to capitalize on cdr to get more uptime
iunno i figured i could make a hypothetical tank build with the relic lol
That does kinda work if you can run it enough to keep the gold toughness most of the time
why didn't the author take the 10% attack speed
Just tight in points to spare and wanted both cdr nodes and the crit stuff to back it up
The backstab cooldown seems like the most odd choice
Not sure how consistent backstabs are on enemies that are facing you
but I mean if it's procing often it could be funny
Heatsink you can run instead of rampage if you prefer the uptime vs the damage, but I think it may only lower your heat once you've fully overheated
The backstabs get counted in the full 180 degree back arc at any height so you can headshot as well
Change the h to s
. Dont feel so clever now hu h , Dude .
oksy buddy
keep it in yr pants .
I need 2 start killin ppl 4 their insolence
I know how 2 sword . Ur all peasants 2 me
ur useless
Said cica 2 rue
honestly I'm not sure I even like the relic blade
cries
It's pretty clunky but it has great reach and it's effective against all targets. If you've tried both marks and don't like them they may just not be for you. I'm a fan of the mk10 but I tend to like slower weapons
Generally it's Rampage + Wrath, swapping Wrath for Cranial if uptime is needed. Depends on if you want better crowd performance or some extra time spent activated. Heatsink is super marginal unfortunately.
The rayman approach
Literally.
do damage perks on the flamethrower affect burn damage?
yes
check pin
dont see anything about it pinned
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plane soon,,,
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pawesome sauce,,
glue factory
butcher vanity i think
NO!!!
its rot for clout
oh
Ur stupid
close enough
butcher vanityt is the stupid forsaken Slop song
yeah, any other dumb questions?
you like sewerslop
This is half a joke but like
yeah and
it might aswell be the truth at this point
sewerslvt my beloved,,
sigh u don’t fw sewerslvt,,,
but specifically her final album, and a couple songs scattered throughout her discography
i really like
brandon is so peak
dude cant stop creating bangers
especially the trepang soundtrack
i dont even like Mr Kill myself
her most popular song
heh,, i’m just hip n cool like that,,,
yall aren’t real fans,,,
heh,,
your so cool and mysterious and swag
Uhhuh .
you’re*
you probably own sewerslvt's merch...
i do not
holy poser
but i do really like her album covers
wearing sewerslvt merch would be like telling everyone around u that ur an incel
Probably
and i’d love to get some art like that commissioned
this person’s album covers r super similar
i love that kind of art style
its all lyricless slop...
listen 2 beautiful princess disorder,,
this sounds like a roblox song lmfao
Fuck you.
LMAO
dont diss operation sodasteal. Like that
thbis bpd song just sounds like theyre trying too hard to be femtanyl
its inspired for sure but i dont think its trying to replicate her
insane line,,
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The back and forth, the names you'd fling
The tricks you played on me
To ...
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retroslop,,,
YOU'RE RETROSLOP!!!!
sigh.
i listen to such niche artists that i’m usually too 0.05% at least for at least 4 artists
every spotify wrapped
get on my level
spotify wrapped is doodoob utt
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twin i might be excited for bl4
i’m not
i don’t have interest in any bl game after 3
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i nmeed to kill people that talk like this
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sigh i knew u hated me
you dont talk oike that
sighs dramatically
puts hands in hoodie pocket and walks away
kicks rocks
Frick my stupid chud life
i am through security
saw a guy with a The Division patch
pretty cool,,
ok i board in 25 minutes but
i’m super hungry
hm,,
YOU'RE GOING TO CRASHHHH
isnt that the weird looter shooter
speaking of looter shooter..
arc raiders. ....
do it
@frosty herald is your psyker named raven?
Im not on the game rn
yesterday
HI CLAD
did you wipe in a yard game
Didnt play yesterday
Omg the fucking saluting face wtf
save me
i spent 5 minutes soloing the yard event yesterday
and my one remaining teammate stayed in a corner doing nothing
yeah
what that
looter shooter made by theee
same people that made the finals
itskind of awesome
oh that’s cool
i’ll have to check it out when i’m home
oh yeah ign did a smear article on that game
i would not listen to a single thing from igns mouth
Is titan quest 2 any good
i’m so hungry and nothing at this airport looks good
starvationmaxxing ..
horse
yah i have decided i will starve
and eat when i land
lmfao
that’s awesome
looks like generation zero if it wasn’t
dogshit
yah its rlly cool
most other looter shooters just use humanoids for their pve aspects and thats kind of. poopy
Forever winter
never heard of that game .
extraction shooter that takes place during a massive world war, and the maps are battlefields that u loot
n there’s giant mechs fighting n all
the game sucks dogshit
all of the larger mechs are unkillable aside from a specific weapon that requires a team of 3 to deploy, so any mech fights u watch mean nothing because they’ll never die
stealth is super janky
combat is inconsistent and weird
u can kill a T90 with an AA12
yay .
the whole game is built around the concept of “not being that guy” but
you literally are “that guy”
forever winter is you being a human in armored core
when every faction drops what they’re doing to shoot and kill u if they spot you doing nothing
and ur the only one who has a weapon to kill mechs
and they send unkillable hunter killer teams after you because you like
hacked a radar
(a radar that doesn’t belong to any one faction)
i really really hope
they make forever winter good
it has so much potential
it is
yeah
but making all mechs unkillable aside from the railgun was very much a sign of the devs not knowing what they want to do with the game
mechs should be treated like raid bosses
i mean i dont think mechs being unkillable sounds that bad .
and killable with normal heavy weaponry
more like an obstacle than an enemy ,,
watching 2 mechs fight and literally nothing happens
is just sad
i agree that mechs shouldn’t be killable without preparation
but that could easily be solved by adding armor classes to the game
and then adding anti tank weaponry
like a rocket launcher
arc raiders has this 
Mechs could have weakspots
you cant damage the robots without a specific weapon type
they kind of do, you can shoot off their weapons
or maybe u do less i forgott
but that’s it unless you have a 3 person team
the game gives u 2 weapon slots so u can have one for people and one for clankers ..
awesome
slop tuah
Cataclysmic
ohhhhh get they ass
Forsaken song
Glooper vanity has the rare male vocaloid
forsaken songggg
Plop
We knowwwwww
Sneed
hi
LEAVE ME ALONE !!!!!
Me on fallout 4
I have 162 plastic on my inventory
I didn't want to wait more before turning the engine on Danse and the Synths
she’s kinda crazy i doubt you’re safe
peak
WOAH NEW BOSS?
Peter buff goes hard imo
🥀
between revolver and bolt pistol, which is better for boss damage?
None

Jk
It's the Agripina Revolver
Oh wait
You're zealot
Melee
The answer is always melee
Except Shock Maul
Kinda depends how reliably you can hit weak spots with it. The revolver would probably be the best if you could land all weak spot hits but it's quite difficult on a leaping cspawn or active dh
If I'm using a melee weapon that doesn't handle bosses well I usually will magdump a bolt gun at them from as close as I can manage
anyone got any tips for just a flesh wound?
along with for the emprah 3 theyre my last two zealot penances
Rolling steel or the orthus offensive (twins boss fight) missions are the easiest for that since they're shorter than the average mission, make sure not to take any extra wounds so you only need to stay under half hp. If you can find another zealot attempting it in here or one of the vox lfg channels that's an easy way to get a party started
You can also use a mod called "many more try" to save and rerun a mission for up to 24 hours in case those two aren't available
oh ye i have MMT
i used it for some other penances
orthus offensive is quick? it usually took me an age and a half
If you have beaten it you can use the bell skip to go directly to the fight at the end
the bell skip??
theres a skip???
i did beat it like. three times or so, on heresy damn and auric each,
The page for MMT says it's only three hours now, but has a couple sites listed that will show codes currently available: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/175
i had no idea there was a skip
Yeah there's a couple bells hanging below a walkway on the left near the start, one will skip to the end and the other does the same but enables the secret hard difficulty
Having each player hit it will activate it, when you do get it fully activated you will all fade to black and appear just before the boss fight room where the medicae and resources are stashed (the resources will be empty tho)
You have to have rung some bells around the level for the hard mode one to work
Bots don't need to hit it thankfully so if you have two players and two bots, you'll teleport as soon as both players have hit it
You either need to finish the puzzle or hard mode for the hard mode bell skip yes
Oof lol
ay i actually got one
I forgot twins event was still up
ey cht
stan wtf is that
Go to bedge
@violet hornet quick question, does the bell skip to the boss require you to do the bell puzzle beforehand?
yes
atleast once
you dont need to win
just that you did it
@copper hawk ??????
tit
I'm fairly sure doing the puzzle makes your current run hard mode. If you have someone in your party that has the hard mode bell skip unlocked, you can all use it to get to the end in hard mode. Beating the level in hard mode will give you the hard mode skip regardless of whether you've actually done the puzzle
did cica write that?
Naur
Fuck you
no worries, i actually did it myself :]
If you beat the mission without hard mode at least once, you'll get the normal bell to skip to the end
Very nice
but if someone wants to give me a hand with this (i literally just need 1 person) im in strike team 1 :)
I would but I'm at work 
Ainz is the certified hard mode twins expert round here if you have questions about completing that
pain.
i mean theyre not a really difficult boss
and then you just play musical chairs with tox gas

Which diff are you doing?
im doing heresy orthus for Just a Flesh Wound
also mf how did you know someone summoned you you didnt even get pinged
its ainz
dont seem to be having any takers
he just know
never ever talk about horse around him
Someone says hard mode twins anywhere in the world and this man's ears tingle
ainz is like spiderman
except with no spider skills
And even more spandex
ok to be fair twins are ridiculously fun to run
if i could it would be the only mission i run
but alas pubs exist and some people see green and want to inhale it
Imagine the next special assignement is just killing wolfer
like a soup
but then zola would be sad
He keeps a tally of how many hard mode clears he's completed on his discord profile (currently 504)
wow...
dats mean
):<
damn fr?
baller
shit he does lmao
Yeah I see him take all kinds of random folks from here through it lol
remind the twin soloer
Ainz is a good dude
i almost solo'd the entire twins fight on auric playing with tac axe, but woe, 30 crushers
i had 3 psykers with green items 
its crazy how theres no immediate counter to it
like i dont wanna kite that
i wish the game had tips or something for newer players
i have no patient to do so
i mean i could have PROBABLY done it
a lot of people dont know that the twins shields take more damage from melee/ranged depending on the twin
tip: dont die
its not that hard
and stuff like nurgle only eating u if ur gooped ..
none of that stuff is ever explained anywhere
Bro got me the just a flesh wound penance first try
I wish you werent a noob...
im hitting you
i mean
thats a given
but i got staggered ONCE via a single shot and couldnt reload my bolter, got fuckin knocked 
Not really
I was unimaginably dumb
at some point you just learn thats the case
And used a martyrdom build for flesh wound
its called
errrrr
Forgetting its not based on hp anymore
gaming
Lmao I think I tried that back in the day
i did the twin to get mah shit
I did twins twice then rolling steel
Ainz is a paragon in the community
Always willing to help peeps
holy glazeee
ok too much praise
can we get some heinz slander
Dat ketchup got too much sugar
@grok is this ture
Im glazing your forehea
we're killing you actually
@plush estuary are you actually full of sugar
you know thats kinda sexual right
With wallplaster
Bruh
Mustve been the wind
oh as if you are surprise
I DREW HADRON AS A TOMBOY MOMMY MILF GILF HADRON
Ayo
yeah hang on lemme go get it
Hot
Now draw my sona
i drew the choas god
then i fell to slaneshh
do you guys know if there's an issue with the relic blade blessing where if it enters the lockout state (full heat) it explodes and immediately cools by 35%
But it doesn't actually explode?
I just noticed that the heat went down, but no explosion not even a knock back to enemies or something
heres slanesh and nurgle tkaing a bath
Amogus
dunno, nobody uses overload really
itz nerd tzench
No no
fuck you mean nuh uh
ah sadness. I thought it would be nice to try if only there was a knockback or something when lockout happens
alas
it's just not very good!

Nuh uh
iirc that is a known bug
but that blessing unfortunately is not good by itself
💔 fart shart not fixing that one specific blessing i like
This is disgusting
look tomar dats you
yeee i was interested in the knock back because the damage i do especially combined with fury, fury of the faithful, and that one talent where crits reduce CD is already more than enough
I was thinking if it exploded and knocked back enemies in an area around you it would be good in terms of utility
Gurt
Someone post that terraria one
Wait hang on
When did we get so much furry
it always has been
its a fantasy world, its gonna be at least 40% furry, at minimum
cranial is just better cause you get more uptime on special
@fallen terrace Logging on now
Ainz
sick :]
You killed hard mode twins 504 times
yes
But how do you fight them that many times
boutta become 505
like how did I get that mission 504 times?
we call that a lil MMT
Yes
at 600 he gets to put a jar on his head
I used a mod called Many More Tries, MMT
you used to be able to just like, pick it any time you wanted too
Stan
how do people play vt2 ts is so boring without sprinting 😭
this sounds like tiktok brain
You pick Sienna
Pick knife
Push attack tech
Or become the infamous Kerilian speedrunning main
nearly every weapon has a movetech
also moving fast is not a good idea
standing still and holding the front is how you play VT
ye ngl vt does not need sprint
as a proud sienna unchained main, you aint need none'a that 💅
This is my fav VT clip, turn audio on
"Pathetic------"
man is so based
I love CWs
Gonna sound backhanded but
By actually having good positioning and actually using dodges to dodge, not to gain iframes
xdd
I'm so disappointed Arbites BTL wasnt 1:1 with FK charge
did lohner ever tell you he met karl franz himself? shorter than you might think, and a crude sense of humour too

no i know that but it takes so long to move through the map
Oh there's movetech for that
maybe im just not playing on hard enough difficulty
With le different weapons
in higher difficulty you wont be able to move at max speed
you'll need to slow down at every encounter
you know what, wanna play some vt?
I'm in a rat mood
sure
is vermintide still getting updates
I love how versus is the exact opposite of the vanilla experience
wait 
how do i clean my inventory i have so much trash from when i played 3 years ago
versus mode for darktide 
I can help
"just" it has been months 😭
ive never played it before cus i Like.
assumed it wouldnt be getting touched now that darktide is out
Favorite what you wanna keep, then it should let you mass select stuff based on rarity in the discard screen
i still remember my grind for red weapons 💔
how shitty r the microtransactiosn on this game doe
cus i see like. 20
ngl, you can play the game front to back + high difficulties without ever touching em
but some classes genuinely get S-tier weapons from DLCs, like the billhook
the DLC classes are also pretty baller if you care about em, necromancer sienna my beloved, was in development for 2 decades
It did get an entire new gamemode in the end of 2024
You could say they're still working on VT2 but it's kinda for the worse? Idk they nerfed pyro's ult for no reason at all
And they're maybe gonna nerf Waystalker's too lol
they nerfed it to remind ppl to not play pyro

Which is stupid
New weapons 2026
Everyone do be blaming versus for this xddd
yeah lmao
im sure ill be able to find this game for like. 2 bucks somewhere
They're murdering her
yeah no fr i literally got it for like 5 euros back in the day
but vermintide fucks, ratgame remains peak
ngl they did alot of things better in DT, but a Million things better in VT
She kinda still is but
People have found even easier and worse stuff to deal with
Ahem warrior priest and footknight
because its alot more difficult
Who is epic coal?
real & based
playtester and a goofy goober
Interesting
but yeah no fr vermintide is a lot less kite and a lot more "git gud"
a lot of darktide just kinda feels like
and the bosses are a pain, unless youre specifically built to deal with em
spam m1 and dodge left/right
bosses actually being threats unlike DT
its sort of like that in VT, but youre gonna be using your pushes a whole lot more
lmao
Just parry bruv
i do know that vermintide has no toughness
u get temp hp on hits or something like that ?
more of a threat sorry
imagine it like left 4 dead
less like darktide
l4d2 is awesom e..
certain things give you temp health which is weaker than regular health but allows you to survive shit
L4D2 is awesome s
AK....
i forget all the nuances of it
the movement bugs me more than anything, no sprint and such
I hate slide, sprint is whatever.
No sprinting in VT2 because the characters are all big and greedy
My best friend tried DT, hated that you can sprint
He didn't like DT
kruber ass too fat he cant run
back 4 blood
oh god that fucking game
b4b was god awful
Back for blood
the one that died within like 6 months
bc they completely fucked the actual fuckin' perks 
one of the few games where the full game somehow was worse than the beta
for real
"spiritual successor" that has no soul
i think you have some space marine in your pink
Not a Salamander or Black Dragon...






