true but I mainly play heavy so at least my weapons do different niches pretty well
#zealot-class
shut belfry
shut belfry
ones a big slow im a arty unit, ones a long range dakka unit and finally we got fuck your melee get blasted unit
plush estuary
solar gorge
mighty root
@void bison
mighty root
solar gorge
cognitohazard
sullen forge
solar gorge
I have a friend who sends me 20+ reels a day
mighty root
Beast
solar gorge
One day I might kill him
mighty root
solar gorge
the work of Yaldabaoth
mighty root
the work of Yaldabaoth
visual stream
I got one that said twin come tickle my tip yesterday
SDIYBT 💔
drifting wolf
https://tenor.com/view/sad-steam-steam-sad-gif-9524752141311518885
i like this
goes well with the other gif
solar gorge
i have the trinity
for the only 3 emotions one need in their life
anger (when killing people)
happiness (shortly after killing people)
sadness (a long time after killing people)
void bison
<@357649338530398208>
reasonable crash
scenic drift
lmao
marble pewter
wait their names kind of awesome
ripe quest
They really wanted that movement speed.
frosty herald
node above IoD
knife user?
plush estuary
evis bolter
sullen forge
Thats a name
plush estuary
yes
frosty herald
speed zealot
median steeple
marble pewter
holy snooze
frosty herald
misty nova
https://youtu.be/SJwI30KsqK8?si=LKRh-_7ZjOQqdwbb
Bro thinks he's the storm that is approaching
acoustic dune
Heroic weaps
wish heroic was just you can costumise stat weapon
scenic drift
damn, power sword is just temu relic blade
scenic drift
I should've levelled veteran sooner, it's so painful to play it now 
acoustic dune
1 damage 16 speed
acoustic dune
I should've levelled veteran sooner, it's so painful to play it now <a:kek:84238...
thought its still good?
did they nerf it recently or smth?
scenic drift
thought its still good?
I don't know, doesn't gel with me at all
and like when I compare it to relic blade, it's total garbage
(not really, but feels like that to me)
#powercrept
acoustic dune
and like when I compare it to relic blade, it's *total garbage*
i remenber it being ultra op
for vet
misty nova
did they nerf it recently or smth?
Nah
Nothing really changed
Other than Helbore competing with Plasma
For top 1 vet ranged
scenic drift
it's the best out of what I've tried, but using it still makes me want to play zealot or arby
acoustic dune
Nothing really changed
what change is that the stagnation has cought to the zealot class
PREASE GIVE US A REWORK
PREASE
scenic drift
yes, buff zealot more
gaunt roost
why is there 10 billion crushers on the new modifier
acoustic dune
why is there 10 billion crushers on the new modifier
burster
gaunt roost
the model change isnt that impressive fs we dont need to see it a thousand times
sturdy flare
Hey guys, I've been using Uncanny+Thrust on my dueling sword as I dodge & use heavies a lot. Should I instead be using Uncanny+Riposte instead with that play style?
misty nova
This whole event is bugged to high heavens
void bison
erm
scenic drift
I wonder how shock maul will do on vet
acoustic dune
they wanted to do a oops all burster modifier but thought that would be too much
so they made the crusher explode instead and spam that
gaunt roost
This whole event is bugged to high heavens
how so
scenic drift
actually, maybe it's a veteran squish issue, rather than power sword being that meh
acoustic dune
actually, maybe it's a veteran squish issue, rather than power sword being that ...
veterran squish?
what are you babbling?
marble pewter
why is there 10 billion crushers on the new modifier
500 cigarettes crushers !
carmine falcon
wtf is a spireside
plush estuary
excise vault spireside
misty nova
how so
Sometimes it doesn't count the mission
It's marked as infested but they are carapace
Damage over time still works
Apparently there's a havoc version
Just like inferno
gaunt roost
It's marked as infested but they are carapace
theyre supposed to be infested?
misty nova
And still waiting for the confirmation that is applying to melee
scenic drift
veterran squish?
comperatively, while levelling zealot and arby, I never felt 'squishy' as you get quite good toughness regeneration in very early
acoustic dune
comperatively, while levelling zealot and arby, I never felt 'squishy' as you ge...
vet hhas like one of the highest toughness
what are you babbling
phill
placid fiber
Sometimes it doesn't count the mission
I noticed that when I did the rot armor with reduced visibility(which was sniper gauntlet) it didn't count
acoustic dune
use your iconic phill attack on this fool
scenic drift
vet hhas like one of the highest toughness
at level 5? at level 10? at level 15?
scenic drift
with yellow toughness at 30, with a full build it's a different story
but like if someone starts the game and picks veteran, I'd bet a lot of them will not get to 30
placid fiber
It's marked as infested but they are carapace
So +infested doesn't work?
jagged cradle
@hard nexus
scenic drift
granted, level8 and combat shotty improved the situation a bit
but I was hoping power sword was as easy and op a levelling weapon as asm or relic blade
acoustic dune
but I was hoping power sword was as easy and op a levelling weapon as asm or rel...
just spam its special
placid fiber
but I was hoping power sword was as easy and op a levelling weapon as asm or rel...
Power sword is good when things are going good, but, when shit starts hitting the fan it can get rough
scenic drift
just spam its special
Yes I know, but it's vastly inferior compared to relic blade
scenic drift
with relic blade or asm, I didn't feel uncomfortable wading into packs of elites/crushers
3 crushers and a bunch of ragers? nullsweat
scenic drift
with power sword it's like, 3 swings and I have to special again
north sedge
Mk6 power sword dunks on crushers with activated pa
acoustic dune
i wish fartshark give us a space marine powersword and as a con you cant equip a range wweapon
scenic drift
placid fiber
I HATE RANDOMS !!!!!
solar gorge
<#1045597890472579075> <:smile_champ:588154183346028545>
the coward's way out
a true hard carrier live by the pub and die by the pub
such is my way
median steeple
<#1045597890472579075> <:smile_champ:588154183346028545>
Be quiet chump 
I was playing with Gale
And our random got dogged across the map and died
Instant leave
placid fiber
I told my friend I didn't want to do a hi int rot armor once, and it ended exactly like I was afraid it would... it fucking constantly spawned walls of armor and I always ended up as the last one alive <.<
frosty herald
Havoc pubs are also extemely dumb sometimes
solar gorge
that's the beauty of gambling
easiest roll of your life
or actually having to play the game
visual stream
i wish fartshark give us a space marine powersword and as a con you cant equip a...
How to kill yourself in havoc game mode in the loadout menu
solar gorge
pubs are amazing
placid fiber
I got so panicked that I legit had to stop the run, it was too much
hard nexus
<@265332960792805378>
critter
placid fiber
Maybe if 2 people could stay alive, but, with just me? Fuck that
I danced around like 8 maulers and crushers and killed them, followed by 10-15 more already on top of me while a trapper was laughing its ass off in the backround...
acoustic dune
How to kill yourself in havoc game mode in the loadout menu
jsut do this
placid fiber
and when I took care of them? Guess what... 15-20 more spawned
and when I finally untied my friend and the 2 randos... all 3 got killed <.<
misty nova
So +infested doesn't work?
Seems like it
acoustic dune
theres no such thing as out of reach'
misty nova
And the resistance is all over the place
visual stream
big swdord...
solar gorge
can't get the new modifiers on h40 why even live
placid fiber
And the resistance is all over the place
I realized that when I did a malice to test the resilience of them and magdumping my boltgun with 18 rounds didn't kill more than 2 lol
solar gorge
all i got is this lousy frame
placid fiber
wats stopping you from wielding a sweihander
placid fiber
might as well reset all my weapons I put infested on for the event >.>
ripe quest
And the resistance is all over the place
It's basically just a multiplier on ranged damage that scales based on their health. iirc it's something along the lines of 0.25x damage at 90%+ health, and 1.25x damage below 25% health.
plush estuary
There is an event?
placid fiber
It's basically just a multiplier on ranged damage that scales based on their hea...
What about below 90% hp?
ripe quest
What about below 90% hp?
It has steps that it goes between. I'll grab it rq
placid fiber
It has steps that it goes between. I'll grab it rq
tyvm I would appreciate that greatly
placid fiber
There is an event?
Rotten armor
frosty herald
There is an event?
bro slept under a rock
rotten armor
enemies leave behind pox gas are slower and have ranged DR
placid fiber
And it loves spawning groups of them
frosty herald
basically scab only
placid fiber
I'm gonna try relentless strikes on my arby smaul >.>
misty nova
It's basically just a multiplier on ranged damage that scales based on their hea...
Feels like this would be more noticeable on havoc
Because 5400 crushers
frosty herald
also seems like arbites sold really well
misty nova
It's pus hardened all over again isn't it
frosty herald
300k+ arbites made
placid fiber
They didn't have it in havoc... so they put it in the base game x.x
and called it an event
So I'm guessing the ranged damage they take increases as their hp gets lower up to 125% at/below 25% hp like you said, exhillious?
ripe quest
tyvm I would appreciate that greatly
0.25,
0.5,
0.75,
1.25,
},
damage_thresholds = {
0.9,
0.75,
0.5,
0.25,
},```hm
ripe quest
Now I have no idea if it's stepped, or if it works like the finesse boost curve where it scales between each set point.
placid fiber
so 25% at 90% for damage taken, 50% at 75%, 75*% at 50%, and 125% at 25%?
ripe quest
And seems like it's not applying to dots
It specifically applies ranged_damage_taken_multiplier based on the thresholds.
misty nova
There is an event?
placid fiber
so 25% at 90% for damage taken, 50% at 75%, 75*% at 50%, and 125% at 25%?
Is this the gist of it? @ripe quest
the right # is hp the left is ranged damage taken
above 90% hp is 75% dr to ranged?
misty nova
It specifically applies ranged_damage_taken_multiplier based on the thresholds.
Why is it written twice 😭
placid fiber
``` reduction_threshold = {
0.25,
0.5,
0.75,
...
So at those specific thresholds of hp for the bottom #'s they take ranged damage x the #'s up top?
placid fiber
I"m just making sure I have this right
placid fiber
Slower yeah
I think they're supposed to have more hp... or that's just the ranged damage reduction making it seem like that...
ripe quest
So on start: index starts at 1. Index selects the mult and threshold in the previously put array. This starts the ranged damage multiplier at 0.25, and returns a damage threshold of 0.9.
On taking a hit, it checks to see if the current health is lower than the returned damage threshold, if so it increases the index by 1 and redoes the function that applies the ranged damage multiplier.
misty nova
Yeah I'm not going to interact with them
Just pen flames flamer
Call it a day
Slurp all the ammo because you're the one with the flamer
placid fiber
So on start: index starts at 1. Index selects the mult and threshold in the prev...
Yeah, so the top #'s are the ranged damage multiplier while it is equal to or above(?) the hp on the bottom right? It checks to see which threshold the hp is at when changing how much damage the ranged attack does
Like if it is above 90% hp it applies the 0.25x multiplier
If it is below 25% hp it does 1.25x ranged damage
I can't tell what it does between each threshold tho
Does it apply the next threshold's value for ranged damage taken?
ripe quest
So 100-91% health = 25% damage taken.
90-76% health = 50% damage taken.
75-51% health = 75% damage taken.
50-26% health = 125% damage taken.
The damage reduction table doesn't have a value for indexes of 5 so no idea what it does.
placid fiber
So 100-91% health = 25% damage taken.
90-76% health = 50% damage taken.
75-51% h...
Okay that is much easier, tyvm for explaining this to me. Sorry for being a little slow on the understanding x.x
I just got off work, so I was a lil slow on the upkeep >.>'
So if they're below 75% hp it's more or less okay to start blasting them with my gun <.<'
from 90% to 76% I gotta have a good reason to blow that ammo, above 90% only do it if it is absolutely needed
below 51% blasticate those stupid mfers damnit!
misty nova
Do they have that much resistance at 100% to try and stop Helbore from insta killing them
💀
placid fiber
Do they have that much resistance at 100% to try and stop Helbore from insta kil...
Maybe, or maybe to stop the Vets using the plasma's m2 from chunking them
ripe quest
The idea is probably to incentivize melee combat as an opener, any ranged class just waits a bit before blasting.
placid fiber
It definitely made me think twice about blasting all of them while I was arby and had the boltgun <.<'
misty nova
Here's my opener
They take x1.25 under 900 hp
Pretty forgiving no?
No wait
Under 50%
So 1800
Even more forgiving
placid fiber
Here's my opener
Here's mine lol
misty nova
Just gonna rock onslaught vet
Wonder how many messages I'll get telling me to stop shooting the green man
placid fiber
wow 25% unyielding, a combat stim, and relentless strikes really does a lot when it comes to killing monsters... it took like half the time that it took with a speed stim when I didn't have 25% unyielding but did have 20% monster damage <.<'
placid fiber
Wonder how many messages I'll get telling me to stop shooting the green man
Apparently once they are below 75% hp they are taking 75% damage from guns, so just chunk them with your melee and start blasting their asses
misty nova
I will not fall to Relentless propaganda
Now try with the infinite attack speed interaction
placid fiber
lol I love doing this
placid fiber
I will not fall to Relentless propaganda
I don't recommend it since it only is useful for anything that will survive more than 2 hits... I still think something like high voltage + execution is probably the way to go
50k to 0hp so quickly :3
glossy nimbus
opinions on the crusher and how should I use it
misty nova
opinions on the crusher and how should I use it
Great weapon
Learn some basic combos
Maximize Skullcrusher value
ripe quest
Great weapon
Learn some basic combos
Maximize Skullcrusher value
solar gorge
I'll abstain
misty nova
north sedge
oh and slaughterer skullcrusher for blessings
mild sparrow
Skullcrusher
frosty herald
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1398819646328672366/b...
Ainz i need kerillian glaive and elven spear on vet
frosty herald
Where is thomas when i need him hmmpf
sullen forge
Ainz i need kerillian glaive and elven spear on vet
Never happening
nimble fiber
ripe quest
Cole is the play tester
Cole is the only playtester these days
frosty herald
misty nova
Cole is the only playtester these days
No wonder Arby's released buggy af
Maybe if they had a second one
minor sigil
he is running chorus and flamer and he has died 5 times
lunar fable
frosty herald
median steeple
misty nova
Beesechurger
desert vessel
Is mk4ds built the same with for zealot and vet
misty nova
What the Arby's doing
scenic drift
Power sword is good when things are going good, but, when shit starts hitting th...
I gave up, switched to DS, perfect complement for zarona cshotty
absurd how good ds is compared to every other choice on vet
opal cipher
What are you guys running to actually help the team for this latest event?
Just hold up the relic?
scenic drift
relic blade and blender carapace 
opal cipher
what blessings?
frosty herald
Taxe vet
scenic drift
what blessings?
opal cipher
I'm still sitting on a dumped heat manage one from when they launched lol
nice two rolls and for a 60 mobile
frosty herald
Yam how's going with havoc
Ill continue in the weekend
misty nova
What are you guys running to actually help the team for this latest event?
Blaze Away Penetrating Flames flamer
past sierra
Ill continue in the weekend
Cap
misty nova
It doesn't really cleave through carapace, no?
tame sluice
I mean killing them
opal cipher
rolling carapace on flamer do any good?
frosty herald
Scab ragers are carapace
misty nova
Scab Ragers have carapace body
frosty herald
Only chest tho
misty nova
Maulers have flak bodies
frosty herald
And to my knowledge DoT treats scab ragers like flak
opal cipher
cool
tame sluice
And to my knowledge DoT treats scab ragers like flak
yeah
fatshark fucked up when making them carapace torso and didn't change their main body to it
just made their chest carapace
so they're still flak to anything that interacts with that
like explosions
opal cipher
I forgot the movesets for the relic, what Mark does everyone like?
misty nova
They are both pretty similar
placid fiber
absurd how good ds is compared to every other choice on vet
Personally I really like the shovel and heavy sword on Vet, but, I know there are better choices for my melee x.x
misty nova
I learned mk10 now muscle memory messes me up with mk2
copper hawk
Noobz
misty nova
void bison
that's Maddison michealson
misty nova
that's literally me
visual stream
So you mean to tell me that swinging an electrically charged boomstick takes no stamina but a gentle shove does
sterile basalt
Give relic blade devestating strike
It does have devastating strike
sterile basalt
Im not seeing it on gameslantern
look harder
sterile basalt
What i meant to say was perfect strike
would be nice
basically sunder but diff flavor
misty nova
😭
opal cipher
remember when people used to use the knife
gaunt roost
what mk heavy sword
mighty root
@sterile basalt how does perfect strike preform on the hsword?
mighty root
misty nova
what mk heavy sword
Any
craggy jackal
what mk heavy sword
Streets say 7 is best
misty nova
9 is popular though
craggy jackal
idk tho
mighty root
https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572
The best answer
I was just wondering about it
And how it would fair
gaunt roost
mighty root
Anyone wanna answer mah question
mighty root
Guh
mighty root
I see
north sedge
take vicious slice much funnier pick
copper hawk
Noob.
opal cipher
I got a hema when i pushed too hard when i poo'd
sullen forge
the 500 rotten ragers
visual stream
plush estuary
ripe quest
<@366562874039992331> how does perfect strike preform on the hsword?
There's a really funny niche situation where you get 320 cleave against carapace due to it multiplying hitmass by 0.25 and bypassing armor stop. Generally though the blessing slots are tight on the Hsword.
plush estuary
Can he make a grilled cheese?
mighty root
There's a really funny niche situation where you get 320 cleave against carapace...
I thought there would be a cool alternative if you’re doing crit on it
But that’s cool
undone gale
uncanny or riposte for ds?
undone gale
Why not both?
cuz i have precog :p
plush estuary
I'd say ripsote because of the synergy with the talent tree
Enduring faith, invocation of death
And right side blazing piety
Forgot the name
solid jolt
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1362189611631116621/1400244181003141131...
old lore alpha legion
plush estuary
I wanna be highlighter yellow
lunar fable
da poopoo legion
solid jolt
I wanna be highlighter yellow
then just be apart of the lamenters
you might get a red heart
but you got the piss yellow
(and bad luck)
next egret
What blessing make the bolt gun good against bosses? Brittleness + bleed right?
ripe quest
What blessing make the **bolt gun** good against bosses? **Brittleness + bleed**...
Brittleness will make bleed do ~38% more damage to Unyielding. For Boltgun though just stacking stuff like Pinning Fire or Fire Frenzy will output more damage.
modern lintel
ya
next egret
Brittleness will make bleed do ~38% more damage to Unyielding. For Boltgun thoug...
I'm thinking if the boss is either alone or have other bosses with no ads for pinning or FF
ripe quest
If you're just alone with a boss then shattering impact + puncture is best sure.
tame sluice
What blessing make the **bolt gun** good against bosses? **Brittleness + bleed**...
bossing bolter is shattering impact+cavalcade
next egret
bossing bolter is shattering impact+cavalcade
Really???
tame sluice
bosses don't take much bleed damage
bolter crits do good damage
brittleness makes bolter crits do gooder damage
misty mason
Wait so
The event changes the armour type to infested?
Also does it reduce ranged damage?
tame sluice
The event changes the armour type to infested?
no they're still carapace
misty mason
Right
tame sluice
and it does reduce ranged damage but only when they're below 75% health (?)
misty mason
I sure do wish the event announecment actually explained this
tame sluice
pffsh like fatshark would ever explain things in game
gaunt roost
What blessing make the **bolt gun** good against bosses? **Brittleness + bleed**...
i can bold my messages too
next egret
# **i can bold my messages too**
fart
plush estuary
Scores don't calculate correctly and should always be ignored
There is a setting to turn them off
Example how I set mine up
misty mason
copper hawk
ONE ???
ONE CLEAVE ???
ON THE CHAINSWORD ??
FENCING CHAINSWORD IS ONE CLEAVE ??
https://tenor.com/view/kasane-teto-teto-kasane-jamie-paige-jamiep-birdbrain-gif-12797670717639783050
tame sluice
for the rev attack yes
ripe quest
The event changes the armour type to infested?
It affects ranged damage taken based on their health.
100-91% health = 25% damage taken.
90-76% health = 50% damage taken.
75-51% health = 75% damage taken.
50-26% health = 125% damage taken.
The damage reduction table doesn't have a value for health below 26% so no idea what it does.
ripe quest
It seems to have been a havoc modifier but they just repurposed it.
misty mason
I guess it mostly guarantees you cant shoot them up
Like its effective for getting them into melee
I cant mag dump a bolter and clear a wave even on arby
ripe quest
FENCING CHAINSWORD IS *ONE* CLEAVE ??
Darktide's Chainsword, or something else?
copper hawk
sm2
ripe quest
Got it
carmine falcon
FENCING CHAINSWORD IS *ONE* CLEAVE ??
just use balanced
they juiced the living fuck out of balanced weapons for no reason 
they got all the dmg speed and cleave u need
copper hawk
but ,,, parry ,,
copper hawk
yah but it's goofy
copper hawk
guh
copper hawk
y they enshitified sm2
misty nova
For the funny
acoustic dune
FENCING CHAINSWORD IS *ONE* CLEAVE ??
Who need cleave anyway?
I just need to krill one buy one quicker
scenic drift
FENCING CHAINSWORD IS *ONE* CLEAVE ??
is it really though?
I haven't bothered testing, but the ingame numbers are notoriously bullshit in sm2
acoustic dune
I haven't bothered testing, but the ingame numbers are notoriously bullshit in s...
Kinda crazy how speed is all cap at 9
scenic drift
feels same as 7 before
acoustic dune
I want real numbers
A better testing area in vanilla game
scenic drift
gotta wait for that spreadsheet guy to test them all manually
at least mods exist
imagine if focus didn't support mods
acoustic dune
imagine if focus didn't support mods
Game would be dead on arrival like pooptide
PREASE WHERES OUT ZEALOT REWORK
scenic drift
I think vet is next, unless FS imports some bricks for their dev team
and we get a double feature
tame sluice
I'd think zealot would be next
They're much worse off than vet skill tree design wise
Vet at least gets to make some choices
And has like a off-meta build
acoustic dune
They're much worse off than vet skill tree design wise
What you mean vet has a goof skill tree and doesn't need change
acoustic dune
They are good
||shut up I need my zealot skill tree rework||
Vet skill tree need nonrework
misty nova
Can't wait for 2027 where Fatshark reworked all four base classes to be cc heavy, totally changing the game's identity
(again)
sullen forge
Arby tac axe is fair and balanced
lunar fable
gaunt roost
y they enshitified sm2
how
hearty nebula
I'd think zealot would be next
pretty sure they already said zealot is next
when ogryn rework came out
gaunt roost
pretty sure they already said zealot is next
acoustic dune
pretty sure they already said zealot is next
signal spoke
pretty sure they already said zealot is next
visual stream
modern lintel
acoustic dune
Thats quite a weird looking square
Wtf am I looking at
acoustic dune
Is the TV host trying to sell us this eve?
scenic drift
pretty sure they already said zealot is next
modern lintel
ebon bobcat
||shut up I need my zealot skill tree rework||
Second skill tree rework
Dang
Wrong thingy for text
frosty herald
zealot needs it
acoustic dune
``Second skill tree rework``
Sir the second skill tree rework just hit the psycher
drowsy anchor
lose
misty nova
Superman got Kojimas approval
signal spoke
Superman got Kojimas approval
Peakjima always giving his peak reviews and opinions
Funny that he also said he wont be playing and touching at all MGS3 delta remake
Thats how you know he does not want anything with konami
jolly sandal
Is the Eviscerator worth trying out as a zealot, its my second class I've tried playing ever since playing Darktide, my first was the Vet but I wanna try something different
misty nova
Yeah it's worth trying out
hexed igloo
Is the Eviscerator worth trying out as a zealot, its my second class I've tried ...
Best weapon in the game
jolly sandal
Best weapon in the game
Any recommended Blessings or Refinements I should put on it
craggy jackal
Any recommended Blessings or Refinements I should put on it
This is written by probably evis’s biggest fan
jolly sandal
Huh, neato.
marble pewter
i follow kojima on tiktok heskinda silly
marble pewter
kojima could kill a person and we'd all cheer for him
hard nexus
Is the Eviscerator worth trying out as a zealot, its my second class I've tried ...
yes
it’s my favorite weapon in the game, and with recent buffs it’s absolutely viable on all difficulties
though its flaws show themselves most on high havocs
but it’s still plenty usable
i run this build
jolly sandal
Ooh, dont mind if i do, was about to ask what kind of perks to take, so this helps later on. Still currenty level 11.
modern lintel
it’s my favorite weapon in the game, and with recent buffs it’s absolutely viabl...
what single target combo for mk3
frosty herald
kojima 100% has had military training
jagged cradle
though its flaws show themselves most on high havocs
hard nexus
Ooh, dont mind if i do, was about to ask what kind of perks to take, so this hel...
until you get blazing piety, i’d suggest running rampage shred or rampage savage sweep
hard nexus
what single target combo for mk3
depends on the target
if it’s flak, push light light
or maniac sometimes that too
but for bosses and ogryns
rev H1
h2 isn’t worth going to
modern lintel
they should make a 3rd evis mk where the pa is a poke for funny
hard nexus
they should make a 3rd evis mk where the pa is a poke for funny
hm,,,,
i’m glad they buffed mk15 poke
it was so dumb that it couldn’t kill a dog lmfao
modern lintel
one of the chainsword is a poke i think
jagged cradle
mk4
modern lintel
i’m glad they buffed mk15 poke
was that recent
hard nexus
was that recent
with all the evis buffs
yah
it’s still better to h1 but the PA is nice for dogs and ragers
modern lintel
i may have thought u were talking abt chainaxe
hard nexus
modern lintel
the pa on the mk12 is goated ok
jagged cradle
cole you really are special
modern lintel
cole you really are special
iv heard what youv said recently in vc silence
jagged cradle
iv heard what youv said recently in vc silence
haven’t a clue what you’re referring to
frosty herald
modern lintel
frosty herald
apperantly this is a mobile gatcha game ported to other platforms fully offline with all content freely available
heady rapids
https://youtu.be/ENHXHzvMx-g?si=7sRzfP_xoghBt_RN
did you see mhs3
frosty herald
yeah
misty nova
Cadia
vast basin
Thunderhammers just need a straight up rework again
north sedge
nerf ironhelm, needs to do worse against carapace
vast basin
They should not be slower at killing armor than a pokey stick
stone fern
nerf ironhelm, needs to do worse against carapace
😡
north sedge
nerf the pokey stick!
stone fern
BLOCKED
ironhelm needs a bit more carapace damage in general and both need better light maniac damage and higher stamina base and thats it
vast basin
Give thammers an aoe on their special which actually does decent damage or something
north sedge
obsidian ore
real men (and women) only play devil's claw my homies
stone fern
real men (and women) only play devil's claw my homies
i hope they buff ur fav weapon
until it becomes so playable you hate it
topaz citrus
real men (and women) only play devil's claw my homies
its so bad and ugly
obsidian ore
its so bad and ugly
ur ugly
frosty herald
real men (and women) only play devil's claw my homies
big ol catachan knife
obsidian ore
it needs to one shot crushers with lights cmon
misty nova
They should not be slower at killing armor than a pokey stick
Real
Buff dueling sword
acoustic dune
"Mammary lane"
drifting wolf
man sty lane
silver leaf
The real world basis for war hammers is killing people in armor…
acoustic dune
The real world basis for war hammers is killing people in armor…
Tbf getting hit without armor the hammer also krill
silver leaf
More decapitations please
sullen forge
drifting wolf
opposing horse
pale spindle
Hey everyone
Back from beta, lacerate knife still meta right? 🤔
sullen forge
@hard nexus
median steeple
Gogo golas
sullen forge
hard nexus
<@265332960792805378>
misty nova
How people with blue eyes look at you
acoustic dune
How people with blue eyes look at you
Imagine looking
misty nova
Rashad Axe
Brutal Momentum Headtaker
Light spam vs everything smaller than an ogryn
If a rager starts attacking, push attack light him
thorn atlas
If a rager starts attacking, push attack light him
thanks!
slower than the tactical axe but I like it
acoustic dune
You are sending actual sludge now
hushed knoll
You are sending actual sludge now
It’s good wtf
north sedge
It’s good wtf
carmine falcon
@plush estuary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QZ0aMVOeoI 
they fixed all the stuff i ranted about
lmao
carmine falcon
actually crazy how simply giving bro good chp and good ranged defense fixes it
wild i know
plush estuary
Well it doesn't feel that good once he needs to depend on the plasma pistol for chp
They just need to increase chp gain from melee
So melee classes are less depended on like plasma pistol
acoustic dune
they fixed all the stuff i ranted about
What did they fix?
carmine falcon
What did they fix?
carmine falcon
Well it doesn't feel that good once he needs to depend on the plasma pistol for ...
heavy bolt pistol works too if u take the slow chp decay perk
acoustic dune
What's the tldr
carmine falcon
its a step in the right direction for sure
carmine falcon
What's the tldr
hushed knoll
DOUGH NO
crude spoke
Any Devil Claw build floating about?
craggy jackal
The normal one except you use dclaw instead
broken turret
for the penance "find their weakness" does it solely count enemies stunned by the stun grenade?
or do weapons with a stun feature (such as crusher's special, shock maul's special, etc) also work?
misty nova
Any Devil Claw build floating about?
The one where you throw it in the trash
(just go piety)
craggy jackal
for the penance "find their weakness" does it solely count enemies stunned by th...
Stun grenade
dawn silo
any quick tl;dr playstyle + build for relic blade shenanigans?
carmine falcon
dawn silo
works for me
misty nova
any quick tl;dr playstyle + build for relic blade shenanigans?
You don't have to let it overheat
Turn it off at 90% heat or something
Other than that
It's just W + M1
misty nova
Nope
Martyrdom is fine
craggy jackal
You can run martyrdom if you want
misty nova
Relic Blade works with all keystones
dawn silo
flamer blessings the same as before? and relic recommendations?
craggy jackal
Blaze away overpressure/penetrating flames
Relic is cranial grounding rampage, sub in wrath for havoc
dawn silo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1392548732997861497/i...
why knives over other nades? wouldn't stun be good?
craggy jackal
Because the talents before the knives are the best talents
Pathing through a nade is a point tax
dawn silo
makes sense
visual stream
"zealot rework when", the tired mass groans
dawn silo
trying to pick up the chorus skill shows where the issues arise with points
craggy jackal
Lose the twbs/good balance section of the tree for the points to go through chorus
dawn silo
like that? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636168826169589760/1400541728137543864/image.png?ex=688d03a0&is=688bb220&hm=b825bf19b8558f0a77723327999dbb708f51c38bf8bd5a147b9b76af2d50d1cf& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636168826169589760/1400541728804569210/image.png?ex=688d03a0&is=688bb220&hm=a1aabcd225e125d0e27cd451e3e1cf27ba501f841c260ca6cae8e5d065360cae&
craggy jackal
You want second wind over enduring faith
In the top right
Otherwise it’s probably fine
ripe quest
why knives over other nades? wouldn't stun be good?
It's general opinion that knives need to be taken due to the nodes prior to it. However, that recommended build is specifically for havoc 40 in mind. Run what you want.
Some builds can take those nodes w/o taking throwing knives as well.
zenith geode
the meta build is knives
even I prefer nades
but you need to sacrfice it for more talents points
ripe quest
Just don't run the """meta""" build then. 
dawn silo
considering i use krak/rock i can probably get used to knives for all non-armor head speacials
zenith geode
play as you like
dawn silo
i am, by swapping off my old main (ogryn)
ripe quest
Vicious Offering + Blood Redemption nets you 20% toughness on heavy kill on no cooldown, in Havoc you can get coherency regen to be potent w/ Fortitude in Fellowship. Middle branch has Restoring Faith and left branch has BftE, both good nodes for certain builds. Running multiple starter branches can be neat too for the extra toughness.
dawn silo
going for that + recommendeds (scourge and redemption) leaves me with 1 talent point, going for stuff i want
actually that gives me -1 point if I need fellowship
pale spindle
like that? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636168826169589760/14005417281...
No SW 😭
Truly a dark day
😔
dawn silo
no pints
dawn silo
can lose annoint and purge unclean on meta ver or swap endure
dont think ill need tywbs
pale spindle
No you don't but why did you then take good balance over it?
full nebula
For the zealot rework they should take duelist, thy wrath, until death, second wind and scourge and put them under chorus
In a straight line
dawn silo
No you don't but why did you then take good balance over it?
tbh I couldn't 100% tell you, just sounded better
pale spindle
Or dance of death
ripe quest
For the zealot rework they should take duelist, thy wrath, until death, second w...
They should have them in normal spots but the lines just curve around the talents so you can't actually path to them.
pale spindle
tbh I couldn't 100% tell you, just sounded better
Check pins then
dawn silo
i changed it up already anyway, trying to fit all the good talents in a comfy build where I get the skills and nades I want
based on feedback after I asked the first time
dawn silo
mixed signals on DoD + tywbs
dawn silo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1392548732997861497/i...
followed this @pale spindle
pale spindle
followed this <@717361443564945468>
So why didn't you take SW? 😞
dawn silo
did now, but personal build swapped off it again to fit stun nade
pale spindle
Stun.....nade
craggy jackal
You don’t want to give up second wind
It’s one of your strongest talents
Give up something else for it
dawn silo
picked it back up, will just try to get used to knives
dawn silo
of all the people here you're the one being the least helpful so I'm gonna have to pretend you dont exist
misty nova
For the zealot rework they should take duelist, thy wrath, until death, second w...
Chorus too good
Put it under Shroudfield
craggy jackal
I think you can devise a martyrdom chorus build where you path through stun nades and still hit the core 4 right side talents
I remember doing it at one point
pale spindle
of all the people here you're the one being the least helpful so I'm gonna have ...
In trying to get you to think for yourself so you actually learn why things are good
If I just tell you what is or isn't good, I'm then not that different from the YouTubers or Gameslantern guides
dawn silo
I think you can devise a martyrdom chorus build where you path through stun nade...
if you ditch the final two talents after martyr its manage-able
not sure if you go scourge or BR or both for relic sword
since I can roll into piety over mart
real sonnet
I hope the zealot rework makes the tree better but nerfs the OP talents
Otherwise we'll end up with another ogryn/arbites situation
visual stream
What happens if you run out?
The nades themselves are good, even when limited
full nebula
If anything theyre just gonna keep the same design philosophy and it'll get worse. Some of these individual talents will probably be less powerful, but I'm betting the tree in general will be stronger
visual stream
Stuns are an "oh shit everything needs to stop" button so you shouldn't run out
craggy jackal
if you ditch the final two talents after martyr its manage-able
I wouldn’t do this
The left node is all of your tdr
Especially since you can’t take toughness curios, this is more valuable
The right side is just nice
pale spindle
Stuns are an "oh shit everything needs to stop" button so you shouldn't run out
Just like book? 🤔
visual stream
Just like book? 🤔
Yeah except stuns free you yourself to attack and/or revive
Chorus is also horrifically taxed
pale spindle
Do stuns even effect bosses?
visual stream
When your point is that the grenade itself sucks instead of the pathing to the grenade, I think it gets a lot more debatable
real sonnet
Do stuns even effect bosses?
Book staggers bosses
pale spindle
Book staggers bosses
Yeah I know I was wondering if the nades do
real sonnet
The stunnades ehhh no
visual stream
Stun nades decent ≠ knives bad
Both other nades would be a lot more viable if the pathing didn't suck, that's kind of all there is to it
Stuns should maybe do a one time stagger against bosses but that's the only buff I would propose
pale spindle
I don't really hate the nades in isolation
But not being able to replenish them and not being able to path Into them makes them unusable to me 💀
misty nova
Huuuuuge Adam Warlock buffs
pale spindle
Huuuuuge Adam Warlock buffs
No way 
full nebula
dawn silo
since i used to be wound zealot, what's the recommended for zealot curios? hp or toughness? I assume 1 or 2 stam regen to make relic feel nice always
north sedge
Toughness
dawn silo
will prob just put them as tough+tough+stam/tough regen+gunner res then
craggy jackal
Toughness cause you get hella tdr
Tough regen is a trap
It’s coherency toughness regen, which isn’t active in combat
dawn silo
oh
craggy jackal
You’re better off using flat toughness
dawn silo
then block eff as final slot?
craggy jackal
Stam regen, ability cd, xp/gold
desert vessel
I use Stam, toughness and gunner resist
craggy jackal
Can really be whatever
dawn silo
will just try it w blockl, else abil cd/stam reg
running tough + gunner resiust atm yea
wooden basalt
block efficiency is really bad though
blocking is bad
when you block in this game you generally lose your entire stamina bar if you are trying to block a lot and then you're stuck slow and probably going to get locked into melee
whereas if you just give a lil push then you can disentangle yourself from a horde completely and then kite and deal with them way more effectively no matter what weapon you have
ripe quest
It’s coherency toughness regen, which isn’t active in combat
mm, there's more nuance than just that. If you know how the slots work you can pretty easily get it to be active in combat, especially when fighting ranged enemies or using certain setups. TRS also eases this by making it kick in faster, the regen itself is nice in Havoc with FiF due it using modifier instead of multiplier.
It's actually quite potent w/ Martyrdom as it utilizes TDR to turn your wound curios into toughness curios. The lower raw toughness means that you're regenning a lot of effective toughness with TDR up.
misty nova
potent gate
whereas if you just give a lil push then you can disentangle yourself from a hor...
Can't push the 6 monstrosities on top of you after team fien
Die
Block efficiency opens new play style- the ability to block without losing all your stamina
craggy jackal
Hello psyker chat regular
wooden basalt
Block efficiency opens new play style- the ability to block without losing all y...
and it only costs you 3 curio perks which could go to way more important stuff like gunner resist or sniper resist or +hp or something
craggy jackal
I just wanted to say hi I didn’t have anything else to contribute
potent gate
and it only costs you 3 curio perks which could go to way more important stuff l...
Don't get sniped, it's not good. Don't stand in gunner lanes, and +hp curio makes your damage taken on the scoreboard increase
potent gate
I just wanted to say hi I didn’t have anything else to contribute
Aw. You so cute.
How's deadlock
I left after Lash existed
craggy jackal
I’m a big fan
Lash is still quite annoying
But there are more problematic chars to focus on
median steeple
craggy jackal
Idk the game just has the valve sauce for me and I hope it succeeds
Lash has gotten two (2) portrait updates leaked
They yassified him
potent gate
But there are more problematic chars to focus on
What's the
Uh
Problematic ones
I guess I don't know them
I remember Jafar was op
craggy jackal
Jafar just got nerfed thankfully
Seven got nerfed but is still solo winning games
Vindicta is a problem now
Shiv has survived 15 nerfs
And geist has survived like 6
Patch is still very fresh though so secret meta might show up soon
craggy jackal
They buffed her stake and her crow has always been good
Then ever since the qol change to her flight it’s been impossible to get her down without knockdown
Her and talon are menaces every other patch
buoyant pine
hey new to the discord is there a specific place for me to ask for help with penances?
potent gate
Then ever since the qol change to her flight it’s been impossible to get her dow...
My experience of flight was pressing flight and having everyone in Africa trying to cc you
Anvil thing and all
craggy jackal
Yeah the anvil thing is the only way to do it
Gets cleansed by debuff remover
Theres phantom strike too, actually
craggy jackal
Haze is ok
potent gate
And Pocket
craggy jackal
She got put in the “fast dodge” category in the most recent patch
Feels very nice
Pocket is still pocket
potent gate
Ooo
craggy jackal
Build majestic leap and all the aoe items
Press 4
Then blow up a squishy with your cloak suitcase combo
You missed a gun meta where wraith haze and infern were running every lobby
Especially wraith who had to be absolutely gutted for her crimes
The meta now is leaning back towards spirit heroes
And building tank is still very effective
gaunt roost
You missed a gun meta where wraith haze and infern were running every lobby
wow darktides changed since i last played
potent gate
Maybe I should delve back into it
I think the main reason I stopped was because of how much CC was in the game and I just don't find CC a fun mechanic
Using it or against it
craggy jackal
Unfortunately theres still a lot of that running around
Bebop, mo, paradox, holiday etc
But theres a nifty new item called counterspell
Which turns your parry into a block all abilities button
ripe quest
Haze is ok
I assume she's still in the category of 'farm early, become a force of nature later' right? Seven was fun for that as well.
craggy jackal
I think haze has shifted more to a mid game playmaker
Hypercarry haze is a lot harder to do now, you want to have impact right after laning phase
Seven however is exactly as you described, except he is strong early game too
ripe quest
Neat to see. May have to get back into it. Counterspell sounds kinda funny.
craggy jackal
It is very good at the moment and I foresee nerfs
But it very much is the “nuh uh” button against telegraphed ccs
heres an example, ignore the shaky aim i was on no sleep
plush estuary
flak + whatever you want to kill faster
misty nova
I assume she's still in the category of 'farm early, become a force of nature la...
Master Yi