zealot-class

[trail grove]

Was a bit confused on which one you're referring to.

[copper hawk]

Dclaw has hitmass issues against armor

It needs cleave targets

There's generally not a single weapon where dumping mobility is an unsafe option if ur unaware of the proper min max's

Same with defenses

And by proper min max's in talking about like damage dumping flamer

Or warp res on psyker weapns

Ammo on ripper, plasma's very specific min max distribution etc

[trail grove]

That I am aware of, which was partly why I put all the crits into it instead of adding Rampage.

[copper hawk]

The other issue with dclaw is its damage

[trail grove]

Sounds impractical, yes.

[copper hawk]

Rampage helps you deal damage and stay at least somewhat competitive

Especially against flak

Which it suffers tremendously against

It does something like 80 damage on lights against flak shooters

[trail grove]

I'm using Blazing Piety's right side.

[copper hawk]

If ur taking shred u dont need right side piety

I'd suggest just going left one node

Stalwart is one of the best tdrs in the game

Kill 25 enemies become a damage res monster

[trail grove]

Maybe.

But!

[copper hawk]

Reason why you take inexorable judgement with the dclaw is because of its damage

[desert vessel]

Any blade enjoyers

[trail grove]

I am gun.

[copper hawk]

Same with rampage

Ur playing zealot ur not supposed to be using ur gun

Gun is to compliment ur melee

If ur playing vet ur ranged is important but it's the inverse w zeal

Ur gun covers ur melee's weakness traditionally

There's 2 options traditionally I mean

[trail grove]

I wouldn't be continuing it if I'm doing well enough.

[copper hawk]

Bolter for weapons that are dogshit against armor or unyielding

Like the heavy sword or dclaw

Flamer for weapons that suck at horde management

[trail grove]

Slug Shotgun

[copper hawk]

Slug shotgun has silly interactions with some blessings but it's generally an off meta pick

Youd be struggling againdt carapace but it's w/e

[minor sigil]

did a youtuber make a new trash zealot build guide?

[compact lichen]

@exotic oyster maybe something like this

[minor sigil]

I had like 4? different Zealots try to join my Havocs today, all with the same terrible build

they used immolation grenades, with flamer

[copper hawk]

Mmm book

[minor sigil]

and ignored the top right side entirely

[copper hawk]

We love book

No top right is an instant deny

[minor sigil]

immolation grenades with flamer dude

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[minor sigil]

one guy swapped to that after I accepted him

[trail grove]

Pyromania

[copper hawk]

I think ppl like the immos cuz their damage ramp up is immense

[minor sigil]

he died chasing a specialist into a tiny room and getting zoned by the chaos spawn

[copper hawk]

And yes i think someone probably dropped another shitty guide

[trail grove]

Funny enough, I think I am guilty of this, too.

[copper hawk]

Immos also r the pick for console players

Aiming knives is hard on console

And the button interaction is obtuse on a controller

And stun grenades r stun grenades

[copper hawk]

The game is p easy and u can do whatever u want it's a game

But im gonna give u the most min maxxed build if u ask

[trail grove]

Not looking for that.

[copper hawk]

Do w it however u will

[compact lichen]

I think immo with flamer is just a theme choice]

[copper hawk]

There's also min maxxing, playing off meta, then there's picking bad options

[compact lichen]

they wanna go with the entire fire stuff

[copper hawk]

A bad option would be a cleave target dump dclaw

[trail grove]

I just wanted to know how to make the most out of the DClaw, since I already have the other two.

[copper hawk]

It's just objectively the most unoptimal dump to mobility

And works against the best power blessing on the dclaw

That being rampage

[copper hawk]

That's wha ti mean

[minor sigil]

they like the theme of the losing screen

[copper hawk]

The most out of something is going to be the min maxxed

Flamer has inf cleave* and insane damage

It's never a bad option

Especially w anoint

As close as we can get 2 the psyker screenwipe

One if many psyker screenwipes*

[minor sigil]

infinite cleave to kill these damnation hordes (5 poxwalkers)

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[compact lichen]

dump mobility and uuuh

idk

[copper hawk]

I mean in havoc

[compact lichen]

hammer blow and skull crusher?

[copper hawk]

Noh ,, ramp ,, shred ,,

[minor sigil]

even in Auric flamer sees zero use 💔

[compact lichen]

that's usually a meta blessing combo. No clue if that's what goes on dclaw though

[trail grove]

Already have that on another knife

[copper hawk]

Flamer is boring in auric

Auric is so trivial now cuz of arbites

[thorn atlas]

Question, do people reject players because they do not have fancy titles or because of bad builds?

[copper hawk]

Was already cuz of ogryn

2 easy so boring

[minor sigil]

"because of Arbites" this is revisionism

[copper hawk]

Last bastion of fun is civi

[compact lichen]

usually bad builds

titles are like uuuuh

[copper hawk]

And one or two arbites can just

[minor sigil]

Auric could be boring with 2 chorus Zealot's and 2 bubble psykers

[copper hawk]

Absolutely evaporate a civi

Watching the crusher die in 3 hits to a cop w a stun baton

[compact lichen]

a title is kind of like a fancy car

you may have earned it

[trail grove]

I forgot to show y'all this.

[compact lichen]

or maybe your daddy carried you in a havoc 40

[minor sigil]

I played an auric with no Arbites earlier and the vet and ogryn just held down M1 with their combat shotgun and achlys tl stubber and never ran out of ammo and never used melee and we won

[trail grove]

Probably one of the dumbest things.

[minor sigil]

Aurics are boring and it's not Ogryn nor Arbites fault

[copper hawk]

I disagree

[minor sigil]

just no enemies in general

[copper hawk]

Due to the damage and survivability of both

There's plenty of enemies on the right map and right modifier

[trail grove]

The "I really hate hordes" sword.

[compact lichen]

that's just the havoc brainwashing

[copper hawk]

Enclavum baross civi of 3veg for example

Early gloriana 3veg

[compact lichen]

finesse dump stat 🤢

[copper hawk]

Finesse dump

[minor sigil]

do you REALLY think Psyker, Zealot and Vet can't trivialize Auric with their usual popular builds

[copper hawk]

To the shredder

[copper hawk]

That's an entirely different statement

[compact lichen]

they can, quite easily

[trail grove]

I don't have a replacement.

[copper hawk]

I didn't say that they dont have builds that trivialize the game

They absolutely do

[compact lichen]

but auric is fine as it is

[copper hawk]

Dueling seofd and flamer

Purg and fgs

[trail grove]

And I am not counting the one with the stamina.

[copper hawk]

Etc etc

[compact lichen]

challenges most casual players

while more skilled players can have fun running off meta in a more chill enviroment

[copper hawk]

But the difference lies in the power disparities between off meta and meta builds when compared to eachother

[minor sigil]

yeah auric is fine, I guess I just grew out of it

[copper hawk]

A meta Roombler or a explode bleed dog will melt the game

[compact lichen]

sure you COULD just run shredder, shout, plasmagun and melee of choice

[copper hawk]

But so will a shueld bash right side arbites or a hh slaught hter kars ogryn

[minor sigil]

I just never found it too interesting when I mained Vet as a greenbeard either

[compact lichen]

but like... just have fun

here's the thing that you gotta remember

[copper hawk]

Ogryn is just so insanely powerful an off meta build is still much stronger over all than what zealot's got

[compact lichen]

most people in the discord are pretty good or at least somewhat invested

[copper hawk]

Yah aurics are boring

Ive played since closed beta

[compact lichen]

all of us here can, could and have soloed mixed hordes with just melee

[minor sigil]

but people love to go "durrr it's Ogryn's fault" like dude? I can spam a 15s golden toughness every 10 seconds

[copper hawk]

The state tue game is right now w power creep is how it was pre enemy buff

Either they nerf the oggy and arby or they buff the enemies... again

[visual stream]

Aurics are fun to play as zealot holding W key

[minor sigil]

"worst class in the game" btw

[copper hawk]

And then break every weapon... again

[compact lichen]

buffing enemies is what caused the havoc issue

[minor sigil]

How about neither

[copper hawk]

Datz what im sayin

So many tactical awareness apologists

[copper hawk]

They cant increase enemy count

Due to consoles

[compact lichen]

every class has some OP build which works in havoc 40

[copper hawk]

Theyve made that clear in previous blog posts

[compact lichen]

and people expect the game to be balanced around those builds

[minor sigil]

And let people realize that Ogryn and Arbites are nowhere near as broken as Reginald likes to pretend they are

[copper hawk]

We cant nerf overperformers and we cant buff the enemies

And the game clearly isnt in a good spot right now in terms of balance

So one of these things or many of these things will have to be done

My guess is nothing will be done

[compact lichen]

I would say ogryn is that OP

way too much DR

[copper hawk]

All the playtesters do lol

[minor sigil]

I think people are not used to the well designed trees of Ogryn and Arbites

[compact lichen]

arbites isn't too bad

it's not even it being well designed

it's just a few key nodes making the classes really really strong

[minor sigil]

I think Ogryn has just enough to not melt from being an immobile massive bullseye

[copper hawk]

Having a well designed tree AND having broken aspects of a tree arent mutually exclusive

Both can be true simultaneously

[scenic drift]

Ogryn and Arbi may be op

but they don't have relic blade

[compact lichen]

immobile is not a word that applies to oggy anymore

[scenic drift]

so they'll never be as cool as zealot

[copper hawk]

Oggy has loke

[compact lichen]

being able to shove all enemies out of the way with dodges means he just gets out of most corners that he might play himself into

[scenic drift]

[copper hawk]

The most passives without any talents of any class in the game

He's an odd case because of the dodge linger and the big target

Arby was meant to be like a fusion between zealot and Oggy and somehow got better than both

[minor sigil]

I think FS designed his new iteration perfectly

[compact lichen]

I'm not sure about that

[copper hawk]

Who the fuck gave the character with the least crit options the HIGHEST base crit chance

[minor sigil]

Yeah well this isn't gonna save him from gunners too much when he's still slow as fuck to get anywhere regardless

[compact lichen]

oggy is definitely above arby in terms of just mashing the shit out of everything

[copper hawk]

Who looks at the crowd control sustain frontliner and gives them 7.5% base crit

[minor sigil]

Company that made him a paid DLC

[copper hawk]

Apparently the designer for oggy was on holiday did lmfao

Cuz oggy has the LOWEST

[minor sigil]

You do know their history with Vermintide 2 right

[copper hawk]

And fulfills the same role... rightfully so

[copper hawk]

Yah

[compact lichen]

his DR lets him tank a lot of shots man. Plus rumbler just staggering everything

[copper hawk]

Dont worry arby nerf like sister of the thorn

Happen in a bajillion yrs

[compact lichen]

plus burn

[copper hawk]

Join chaos wastes legend lobby

See thorn

Leave immediately

[minor sigil]

that's his 1 broken build I believe

[copper hawk]

Or shield maiden

[compact lichen]

yeah and that's usually what people are referring to when they talk about ogryn being the most OP class

[minor sigil]

the interaction between BLO and Rumbler is the only broken thing about Ogryn

[copper hawk]

Heavy hitter slaught hter kars pickaxe oggy

Who can also roomble

Ooooh im gonna roomble !!

[compact lichen]

every class has their OP build but ogryn's OP build is way above the others

[copper hawk]

Turns game off like a boss

[minor sigil]

Rumbler without BLO is just OK

[compact lichen]

because of the DR, AOE burn, etc

[minor sigil]

it's not even notable

like it's noticeable when an Ogryn is running BLO

[compact lichen]

yeah without that talent the rumbler is mid

[copper hawk]

I finally shelved darktide

Been a long run ,,

[minor sigil]

if an Ogryn is not running BLO then I don't even notice he's using Rumbler unless I look at his build

[hexed igloo]

Oughhhhhhhhhh I'm roomblin'

[copper hawk]

And i feel great

Like when i shelves war thunser

Thunder*

[compact lichen]

arby is on the strong side absolutely, but he's not as OP as ogryn

[copper hawk]

Only 2 relapse a few months later

[compact lichen]

just that most of his base builds of any kind are really effective

[copper hawk]

Or like for honor

They drop a new hero and im back

[hexed igloo]

I shelved darktide because steam took away library sharing and I was bumming off my friend

[copper hawk]

Remember what it's like and leave

Virtuosa is so peam..

[obsidian prairie]

I’m just playing other stuff right now

But balance being perpetually fucky is keeping me away

[copper hawk]

For honor team finally dropped a good dlc hero that isnt turbo broken or turbo dogshit at launch

[obsidian prairie]

Also exe order being broken

Can’t play half my arbitrator builds

[minor sigil]

for honor player....

[compact lichen]

For honor is still around?

[copper hawk]

Yes

Still active as ever

[compact lichen]

that game had such a weird launch

[copper hawk]

For honor is my dbd ok

Game i hate but im good at so i keep playing

Sunk cost fallacy game

[compact lichen]

it attracted a massive weeb (I do mean weeb in THAT sense) player base because you could play as a samurai

and then those players left after like 2 weeks leaving just a massive knight playerbase

[minor sigil]

do you actually play DBD too?

[copper hawk]

Season 2 centurion

Noh i dont

I play FORSAKEN !!!!

PEAK !!!!!!!

Dbd without the toxicity and all the simplicity ,,

I love my retroslop ,,

[compact lichen]

I play warframe

[minor sigil]

https://tenor.com/j9XQ2Mc5FPq.gif

[compact lichen]

ah yes, my favorite concord character

person in tshirt

literally me rn

also hey, battlefield 6 announced

[obsidian prairie]

I am somehow failing to make sense of this character’s design

Despite it being a t shirt only

[compact lichen]

hope they don't ruin it with operators again

[minor sigil]

https://tenor.com/eOuAkQKIkHv.gif

[obsidian prairie]

Ok that one is actually pretty alright the glasses just ruin the entire thing

[minor sigil]

I love Concord....

[orchid cipher]

release centurion

what a throwback

[compact lichen]

dr freeze looking ass

[minor sigil]

https://tenor.com/fAHJ3oMpb9v.gif

[obsidian prairie]

If his hair and arm spur things were a different color than his skin this would work better

[minor sigil]

stop dissing Concord

you didn't have a 200 million budget what do you possibly know about design

[compact lichen]

yes sir, sorry sir

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/krziWp1cwRsM_6PRz/spok?invite=cr-MSxxU3IsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

I love my roblox slop

[compact lichen]

crazy thing is that 200 million was mostly wasted

[copper hawk]

So many fun roblox games

[compact lichen]

they remade the game a shit load of times

[lunar fable]

[compact lichen]

they kept forcing the devs to remake the game every time some new hit game came out

[minor sigil]

I didn't know this

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/kK1TOTClLbqKUtvA3/spok?invite=cr-MSxzYkUsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[minor sigil]

why did they do that and still end up with the most bland fps ever

[compact lichen]

because the game was driven by shitty higher ups that have never played a game in their life

[minor sigil]

I can't believe you actually clipped epic Roblox moments and expected people to watch and have a reaction to them

[copper hawk]

I love them

Saved 4 posterity

[compact lichen]

basically what is causing so many issues in current triple A companies

rather than the game developers making the decisions it's the investors and the higher ups who have no actual experience in game design making decisions

it's what caused creative assembly to go into like 100 million dollars of debt

(The guys that make total war and alien: Isolation)

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/kv8N7euAwIGQOuUXa/spok?invite=cr-MSxxZG8sMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

There's some games that only exist on roblox

[desert vessel]

What perks and blessings for relic blade

[copper hawk]

Napoleonic no more room in hell is a game i never knew i desperately wanted

[copper hawk]

Cranial rampage

[desert vessel]

Cool

[copper hawk]

Swap ramp for wrath in havoc

Flak elites iirc

[desert vessel]

I'm liking relic blade 2 more than 10

[copper hawk]

2 has higher damage in the uppercut under specific circumstances

[desert vessel]

Flak elite for all difficulties right

[copper hawk]

But 10 is generally the better overall pick

[copper hawk]

Yah

[desert vessel]

Also what build for bistol

[copper hawk]

Punc and shattering/run n gun iirc

I run flak elites on it, i tested if it would hit better breakpoints w maniac ir elite on trappers but it doesnt with either

Flak and whatever u want i guess

[desert vessel]

Is it the same build for vet

[copper hawk]

I use the bistol as an offhand special sniper on my no tknife builds

Idk havent played vet in a while

[desert vessel]

Also I assumed bistol was punc and surgical

[copper hawk]

I use run n gun and punc

Pull it out run shoot special swap to melee

[copper hawk]

Ur missin out on makin lil babies rage like old school cod lil blud

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/kK2huYYVOR1mYbaxR/spok?invite=cr-MSxBZHUsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/kK2CHMXgL_HLpIKVN/spok?invite=cr-MSxVVmwsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/kK2CWy5QWyw0DjY4S/spok?invite=cr-MSwxNXUsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[copper hawk]

Too jaded 2 enjoy simple whimsical circumstance

Bullying transcends language barriers

Heart so filled with despair and woe no room for one silly exploding acme pie

[copper hawk]

I can't believe you actually clipped epic Ready or Not moments and expected people to watch and have a reaction to them

[zenith geode]

Is relic blade mk 10 or mk 2 better

[copper hawk]

10

[copper hawk]

How bro get flung like dat

Baseball..

[zenith geode]

More dmg?

[desert vessel]

WOOHOO

Finally done all zealot penances except just a flesh wound

I'll do that when someone is willing to team up lol

[solar gorge]

It's been so long I don't even remember what you have to do for that one

[desert vessel]

You have to get in a private game and finish in less than 20 min with less than a wounds worth of health 75 percent of the time

I got no clue if you're supposed to do it with martyrdom or what

[solar gorge]

the worst part is interacting with someone to get a private game going

hardest penance in the game

[desert vessel]

Only zealot and psyker have one

The good thing is, if you get someone to help, it shouldn't take more than 20 min and then you're done

[solar gorge]

I did the psyker one when it wasn't a requirement

[copper hawk]

Better dps

[solar gorge]

Fatshark should know all my friends got filtered ages ago and not make any penance private only

thankfully I already had done them all

[desert vessel]

Why is wrath better than rampage on relic blade in havoc

[zenith geode]

What is the best perk for relic blade

Weapon perk

[acoustic dune]

didnt sm2 have an update this month?

[scenic drift]

mobs are thiccer

[acoustic dune]

mmh thicc burster

[copper hawk]

Hitmass

Enemies are impossible to cleave without it

[craggy jackal]

you can also replace cranial with wrath if you like the rampage str buff

you lose heat uptime doing that

[velvet orbit]

zealot's crusher combo is just overhead heavy back to back to back ?

[solar gorge]

which combo

single target or horde clear

either way, all the answers are probably here

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3127724964

[copper hawk]

Both vb feders

[hard nexus]

loooong

[jagged cradle]

a lot thinner than i expected

[solar gorge]

looks odd to see those kinda thing without the cool wavy pattern

they took the flame off the flamberge, sad

[hushed knoll]

Hi lambda daily reminder you’re cool

[solar gorge]

no i'm lambda

[velvet orbit]

whack them with a hammer

[hushed knoll]

You're cool

[copper hawk]

Ooorgh..

[velvet orbit]

sharpen them fencers

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[frosty herald]

Peak grip

Similar to the psyker greatsword

[velvet orbit]

how do i use PA chat

like

as in when

[analog python]

I can help you sometime if you want.
I didn't do martyrdom though, just no wound curios to bring my health to like 49% and running toughness curios, did it on Rolling Steel for speed.

[velvet orbit]

you also need to have 1 wound remaining

and required to stay at said requirment for most period of the mission

and like chromafox said

do it on rolling steel

you'll guarantee to finish the mission before 20 minutes

even if it's a close call

[sterile basalt]

u still need help?

[modern jasper]

With how often crits are when running piety, would it be better to run Devastating Strike instead of Wrath for the blessing on Relic Blade?

Since Wrath stacks can cut off fairly easily

[craggy jackal]

You could probably try it out

[modern jasper]

I might make an autistic spreadsheet for this

I have the need to reach the absolute zenith of whatever my favorite weapon is

[hard nexus]

no

devastating strike doesn’t stack

i’m 99% sure it doesn’t

wrath and savage sweep are significantly better sources of cleave

[sterile basalt]

ya it doesn't

it's just 80% cleave lol

if it was like 120 or 150 it'd be fine

or if it boosted both cleave and damage

[hard nexus]

yeah i just checked

[hard nexus]

tbf thats just rampage

but crit instead

[hard nexus]

but i just checked and no

devestating strike is never worth taking

[sterile basalt]

no stagger change

[hard nexus]

80% cleave is nothing

oh true

[sterile basalt]

80% cleave is alr
sends relic's powered swings from 10.5 to 18.9

[hard nexus]

yeah but wrath is just objectively better

50% more cleave per hit

250% more cleave total

one hit is nearly the same value as devastating strike, with a much higher peak value

relative to other sources of cleave, 80% is nothing

[sterile basalt]

if it was 120~150% (I ~ IV) it'd at least be competitive in terms of accessibility vs value

[hard nexus]

maybe but i still think wrath would be preferable

[sterile basalt]

nah at that point u press F and u get pretty close to wrath at full stacks

[modern jasper]

tyty

[sterile basalt]

it's instantly accessible but doesn't get as high

[modern jasper]

Not in a stacking sense

But as in taking ds over wrath

[sterile basalt]

yea not worth

[modern jasper]

Bet, ty

[sterile basalt]

wrath at 2 attack hits is already more cleave than devastating

[modern jasper]

I want to experiment more with this thing

But it really feels like all you can take is Wrath/Rampage + Cranial Grounding

[hard nexus]

i meant that as, because devestating strike doesnt stack, it doesnt have any real value compared to wrath

[hard nexus]

darktide !

hooray !

[modern jasper]

Ahhh

[hard nexus]

if u want weapons with a liiittllee more build variety, evis and tac axe have a couple of good options instead of one good option

[sterile basalt]

comparing older weapons' blessing variety to the new arb weapons (excluding arb maul) is pretty night&day

[hard nexus]

gut arbites,,,

[modern jasper]

When I originally got DT the first question I asked was if there was a greatsword, "Kinda" was my answer, so I mained eviscerator

[sterile basalt]

like, u can run arb shield+maul in so many diff configurations lol

[modern jasper]

When the Relic Blades were announced I was over the moon and now its all I ever use

[hard nexus]

guessing u never tried the evis buffs?

[modern jasper]

I want to completely and utterly master it and reach its limits lol

[modern jasper]

I haven't no, I love the eviscerator dont get me wrong, but I used it because it was basically a greatsword

Greatsword is my go to in any game with melee

luv big sword

[hard nexus]

it’s actually good now

[modern jasper]

When was it buffed?

[sterile basalt]

like

a month ago

lol

[frosty herald]

Arbites release

[modern jasper]

Oh shit okay

[frosty herald]

The enemy cap was removed

[modern jasper]

I'll run with it again

[frosty herald]

So now its good at hordeclear

[modern jasper]

Ohhh, to compensate for that I just did the push light light

Over and over lol

Felt a little bland

I'll give it a try, I missed my evis a lil'

Shred and Savage sweep the 2 best still?

Or should I run Savage AND rampage?

[hard nexus]

rampage savage sweep, rampage shred, perfect strike shred

are all the main options

[modern jasper]

Bet, ty

[frosty herald]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GwiAai1aoAAkxS8.gif

Bloodthirsty rampage

[hard nexus]

those are all for mk3*

mk15 is a little different

[frosty herald]

Mk15 is the heavier evis

[slow stag]

zealot has a bit of identity crisis atm dont they

is this the one ?

[hushed knoll]

Why are your socks small

I feel like I've asked this before

[stray summit]

Nah zealots gameplay and identity are very in tune

the problem is the variety

Veteran is the one with the identity crisis, only 1/3rd of his tree handles shooting his gun and its not very good

[runic grotto]

veteran is just a worse version of any other class

The only thing going for them are voc and survivalist

[stray summit]

I fucking love surv but DAMN do i want something different

Surv is so fucking cool, more fun with my fun gun? Fuck yeab.

but like

thats my only option

bit of a fuck

[runic grotto]

zealot also doesn't have any options

[stray summit]

yes he does, benediction is free TDR, valuable does something
Beacon clears corruption, fuck yeah, Loner is

loner.

but thats still 2 bangers

[topaz citrus]

Crucis or Ironhelm hammer

[flint imp]

Crucis more damage

[stray summit]

Crucis

[topaz citrus]

say less

[visual stream]

And shredder spam build

And maybe recon spam

And WS DB

[flint imp]

Grenades spam yes

Reminds me of good old shredder gun n exec stance meta

[visual stream]

But in practicality that's not particularly amazing, just fun

[flint imp]

Should just rework marksman focus and change stealth ability to something else

[visual stream]

Infil just needs some of the upgrades baked in maybe

[stray summit]

30% dmg

[topaz citrus]

in guide for flamer it says "if taking penetrating flames"

what is that

[stray summit]

its when the flames penetrate you

You specifically

[craggy jackal]

The blessing

Named penetrating flames

[stray summit]

blessings be blessings theyre not tied to a color

[topaz citrus]

low sleep moment

sorry

[visual stream]

clearance 14 ogryn joins my lobby hot micing

I hear every single game audio

I think I'm going to forego comms with this individual

[lunar fable]

[slow stag]

@hushed knoll small socks means big feet or small feet it depends on your perspective

[chrome wave]

my brother i've found you at last

[slow stag]

lex deez nuts

sorry i had to

[silver leaf]

What weapons pair well with the purgation flamer besides the dueling sword?

[violet hornet]

anything that can handle a single hard target well or struggles with hordes works well with the flamer, I always bring one with a thunder hammer

Knife also works well with one, since it's also quick to complement the sluggishness of the flamer

[visual stream]

Does the havoc director have a dedicated "fuck you die" setting

That it turns on right before you revive the whole team

[plush estuary]

a specialist surge + monsterous spawn does that

[visual stream]

Forty five ragers forty five crushers hexbound DH captain spawn plogryn spawn

And very little room to manouever because this is relatively close to a drop down

[hushed knoll]

Small socks means big feet?

[hushed knoll]

Blab

[slow stag]

WELL IF THE SOCKS ARE SMALL ON YOU, then it would mean u have big feet. Unless u buy smaller size socks

[hushed knoll]

Oh I see

[slow stag]

generally socks are a one size fits all scenario

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

HI KNIFY

https://tenor.com/view/pickle-octo-squidward-bump-gif-15057642

[acoustic dune]

You know the toll stan

[lunar fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/434389024979812356/1365083712638947328/togif.gif

[tame sluice]

It is the highest ranged damage in the game tho

by a huge margin

It's just focusing so much on your gun doesn't really play out super well with the enemy density these days

[stray summit]

https://tenor.com/view/blah-blah-blah-gif-2813101195058663365

[misty nova]

Nah

[median steeple]

the only identity problem zealot has is the fact it shares the exact same set up as vet

Combat ability on the left tree, support ability middle tree, stealth right tree.

[solar gorge]

isn't that all classes

just seems like game design to me

[orchid cipher]

Middle being support is universal

Thats it

[stone fern]

🚬 how hard is it to have 1-2 mael spawns in auric

im not asking for much am i?

[solar gorge]

the problem is more that both zealot and vet have stealth

but all the trees have support in the middle, and any dps oriented thing on the sides

[misty nova]

800 enemies on damnation

What's going on

[scenic drift]

Tree system is terrible.

[solar gorge]

i really don't know why they made 2 stealth

[median steeple]

the other classes can get away with it since the combat abilities are actually unique even if they're still combat abilities. Stealth is just stealth on both

[solar gorge]

it's p good actually

better than vt's and the old stuff

[tame sluice]

Infiltrate wouldn't even be that bad if you didn't have to spend skill points on what should be core functionality of the ability

If it was a +30% melee damage blender without having to spend extra skill points I'd run it

[solar gorge]

infiltrate will get replaced by something cool in the upcoming 10th veteran rework

[visual stream]

Would you rather have 80 nodes to choose from or 15, out of which you can only take 5

[solar gorge]

I think free will is bad actually so let's ditch that build shtick completely and make rigid classes instead

get rid of loadouts, 1 melee, 1 range option per class

bring back gambling but since there's no building anything now it's just real gambling with aquilas

[misty nova]

But but mah commando vet fantasy

[visual stream]

Darktide Japanese slot machine

Pull a Metal Gear Solid

[solar gorge]

they dared call darktide a gacha back around launch

i'll give them gacha...

[tropic egret]

Personally, I think I'd rather have 80 classes (or even 15 classes) to choose from, but have 0 talent trees... like how fighting games (Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat) work. But that's just me

[visual stream]

there were oversexualized girls in darktide

when did this happen

oh god they didn't have girls that appealed to pdfs did they

[tropic egret]

It was the female Ogryns, they had to remove them, the male players were too attracted

[misty nova]

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/bridgerton-simon-basset-rege-jean-page-naturally-of-course-gif-22438206

I'm sure plenty of female players were attracted too

[sturdy cypress]

Imagine the smell

[tropic egret]

I think humans have 2 different sense organs in our nose. One for scents (smell), and one to detect pheromones. So if Ogryn pheromones are strong enough, maybe any strong smell might just make you feel even more strongly attracted
(I'm not a biologist)

[visual stream]

Do dreg ragers' fast attack mode ignore back dodges?

It sure feels like it

[plush estuary]

they attack faster if you back dodge

and move faster

[visual stream]

I thought that was just applied to initial approach, good to know

So super tight timing or does it ignore the dodge completely in that mode?

[tame sluice]

they ignore all dodges whenever they feel like it with that attack

[rose epoch]

any recommendations for farming the loner penance?

[misty nova]

Run zealot run

[tropic egret]

I never clued in to this until reading your comment just now. I just noticed that back-dodging didn't seem to work well against ragers.

Lately, I've been trying to circle ragers as I fight them. Like dodge to the side, hit them on their side, and keep circling around them and hitting them. But it's not really an ideal solution tbh... it doesn't work that great, especially if you're surrounded and you don't have room to move around

[rose epoch]

🔪🏃‍♂️ away i go then

[visual stream]

Ragers are a little horrifying if you already need to backtrack

[slow stag]

i dunno man whats zealots identity i love zealot but dam arbites can build to deal with everything with that shock maul its wild.

[plush estuary]

kill.

[slow stag]

i just feel tankier with way more on demand toughness generation and dmg while having 1 melee weapon do good against all armor types horde (espe crushers)

but i like the zealot drip waaay more

[tropic egret]

Yeah, I find zealot the hardest class to describe. Ogryn is the tank (heavy damage, a lot of health). Psyker is crowd control/support. Veteran is range.
Zealot.... is kind of like a weaker Ogryn, but it's the most fun to play. Maybe it's more fun because it's weaker.
Arbites is also a bit vague, but I would say Arbites is kind of like another tank, like Ogryn.

[tame sluice]

Veteran is the support

not Psyker

Psyker is the glass cannon

[tropic egret]

Yeah, all these words are a bit vague.. we might have different meanings of 'support'. I see crowd control as 'support'. But I guess you're saying that 'getting rid of the gunners' is support?

[ripe quest]

80 nodes but no builds, 15 talents but one build, or 5 nodes of which you can build

[tame sluice]

I'm saying "the entire middle tree of veteran's skill tree is abilities that benefit your team" is support

[visual stream]

HEY they said tree system in general, not zealot

[radiant raptor]

some of vets best tools are support

[misty nova]

35 nodes
One build

VT2 moment

[radiant raptor]

voice of command which is the only ability vet has, ammo regen through survivalist, being self-sufficient with grenades so everyone else can take tem

[tame sluice]

exe stance is also a real ability but that's hard so we don't talk about that one

[ripe quest]

Nearly everything in Zealot's kit promotes aggression.

[visual stream]

I think every class has enough diversity to say that they're not explicitly the same role within the same class

[radiant raptor]

i can count the number of exec stance vets ive seen on two hands

[visual stream]

ZEALOT however I think you can say in every single build, is meant to be aggressive

[tropic egret]

Would you describe zealot as "the most aggressive class"?

[radiant raptor]

its a cool ability but unfortunately rare

[misty nova]

Blood for the emperor
Skulls for the golden throne 🗣️

[visual stream]

Even in chorus builds, you should be spamming crit for CDR which promotes aggression

[ripe quest]

I'd say so yeah. Both damage ults are designed so you can rush into a target, the support ult is best used as a breaching tool, your toughness generation relies on being either in melee range or dodging active sources of damage. There are also multiple ways in the kit to become a rager, through Until Death/HR, TWBS, Martyrdom, BftE/Restoring Faith, you can kinda just become a really fast meat brick.

Other classes have ways of being a bit more passive, usually in the form of a ranged build. Zealot's passive stuff is like, very connected to just playing passive with aggressive tools (like using Shroudfield solely as an aggro drop tool) and using coherency regen (only notable in Havoc, particularly on Martyrdom).

Back when the sprint dodge angle was 50+ degrees you could literally just sprint at any ranged enemy without much punishment too, promoting aggression further.

[tropic egret]

Not sure what you mean by 'sprint dodge angle'... I guess you're saying that if you dodge while sprinting, you don't dodge perfectly sideways?

[tame sluice]

better times when that worthless mechanic served a purpose

[tropic egret]

But yeah, I can see what you're saying about the zealot's aggression. I think, from now on, I'll probably describe zealot as the 'aggressive' class. (Even though I don't think it's as 'strong' as Ogryn or Arbites... the play style is more aggressive)

[visual stream]

Sprinting at a certain angle while having stamina allows you to auto dodge ranged fire

Swift Certainty lets you do this with no stamina too

[tame sluice]

If you sprint at an unreasonably tight, and generally useless angle you don't need to dodge ranged shots from enemies

[tropic egret]

This game has so many hidden details like this... I sometimes wonder how they would make a new class. But it might be easier than I think, because there are so many of these kinds of secret underlying numbers to tweak, to create a unique-feeling class.

[tame sluice]

Like the Arbites?

[visual stream]

It seems like they realized that impact modifiers were generally useless and not taken unless it was your only option (pre blessing addition crusher) so they tried to make a class that was mainly good at staggering, with a side of being able to do everything else decently

Ultimately what actually happened is they made a class that was pretty cracked at everything AND had CC

At least from what I can tell

[misty nova]

Too much cc
Not enough killing

[tame sluice]

It's more like they realized that nobody is going to use or want to use impact modifiers if they are not substantial

[tropic egret]

You're talking about Arbites, right? (I don't think Zealot has CC)

[misty nova]

Good enough
Welcome back smite

[visual stream]

Seems like both to me

[tame sluice]

Both Oggy rework and now Arbites have significant impact increases on their talent tree

[north sedge]

punishment on zealot used to be like 150% stagger

when stacked

[tame sluice]

not this lol

[visual stream]

Now it's just a poo scheisse TWBS knock off

[misty nova]

Then it got nerfed because it was too oppressive and made the other impact nodes useless

[tropic egret]

Yeah, to me, Arbites does feel a bit OP. (I haven't played it myself, but when Arbites players are on my team, they feel OP.)
I'm also not a big fan of having a NPC dog kill all the challenging enemies... it feels like it's making the game too easy. I want to struggle and fight (that's why I play zealot).
I do appreciate the rare occasion when the dog saves me though

[visual stream]

I'm pretty sure they made impact nodes weak in the start because the idea of CCing everything to death is a scary degree of boring to a game dev

I'm glad they made impact too weak rather than too strong

[north sedge]

yea it was this at launch then they gigabuffed it, nerfed it back eventually sometime post-13

[tame sluice]

But then they added smite so eh

[misty nova]

So they added Arbys

at it again

[visual stream]

True

We could have the average psyker mains be spartan child super soldiers if smite didn't exist

[tropic egret]

Just to check: The Combat Axe is not good at horde clearing, right? I can whack elites or bosses with it... but when I'm surrounded by a horde, I literally have to whack each hordeling one by one. It doesn't seem efficient.
Am I using the Combat Axe wrong, or is that what it is?

[north sedge]

need brutal momentum

then you kill 4 a swing

[misty nova]

You need brutal momentum

It makes it so you have peak horde clearing

And well
4 anything but ogryns

But yeah
Base wise

Achlys have no cleave on lights and h1

Rashad has 1.5 cleave all around, the lights have alright ish cleave damage distribution

[north sedge]

achlys? never heard of her

[misty nova]

Antrax has 1.8, good ish cdd

*Antax

[tame sluice]

I should use combat axe zealot in havoc

it will work well probably

[tropic egret]

Yeah, I've seen people talk about 'Light attack - Light Attack - Heavy Attack' patterns (or Heavy-Light-Heavy) but I haven't really learned the details of the Combat Axe to that extent. I just swing, and wherever the axe goes, it goes.
(I don't think the axe swings sideways through multiple hordelings.. it comes down at an angle, so it's hard to hit more than 1 at a time.)

How do people learn all these 'Heavy Heavy Light' patterns... I guess that's in the game somewhere?

[sturdy cypress]

Is the 10% crit damage perk still terrible?

[misty nova]

Yup

[misty nova]

You learn through extensive testing or sometimes Fatshark will use patch notes and just tell you which attacks lead to which

[tropic egret]

Testing in the Psykhanium?

[north sedge]

axe is just lights, heavies on big things

[tropic egret]

This is my general philosophy with it, and how I use it... but I suspect that there's another level of mastery. Because there are patterns, and the patterns do different things, I think.

[visual stream]

This is a chart I made for the Ironhelm thunder hammer

And it's not even done

[north sedge]

no its really just that for axe, it's a dead simple weapon

[visual stream]

I thought it was taxe that actually needed to care about combos

And caxe is the braindead one

[tropic egret]

Ah, is that the difference between the axes?
If I remember correctly, I think Combat Axe had noticeably higher damage numbers (which is why I picked it. I've been using it so long that I haven't even looked at a Tactical Axe in a while)

[visual stream]

Never used taxe but pretty sure it's very good in its own right

[stray summit]

swing the sword in such a way that you keep it at a horizontal/vertical angle

go to the psykhanium and swing it around for a little bit

[tropic egret]

How did you figure all this out. You spent time in the Psykhanium, just testing out swings? (I imagine all this information is probably written somewhere)

[visual stream]

Yeah just mixing attacks

I got bored of making an Ironhelm guide when I realized it sucks in Havoc though so I didn't finish the chart

[tropic egret]

Ive seen a lot of people here talking about taxe lately yeah. So there must be something good about it. But I think, when I was choosing which axe to use, the taxe seemed notably worse (lower damage) than the caxe. (I don't have the game open... I suppose I could just not be lazy and check right now, but eh...)

[solar gorge]

unlike crucis

which is awesome

[visual stream]

Which sucks in auric vs. Ironhelm :^)

Crucis very fun in Havoc though

[solar gorge]

crucis sweep

crucis solos

[tropic egret]

This is hard to do with a Combat Axe. I don't think Combat Axe really goes horizontal (unless I'm wrong). But yeah, practising in the Psykhanium seems to be the way

[stray summit]

which caxe

[tropic egret]

Rashad, I think

[north sedge]

just vaguely aim at head and you're good

[solar gorge]

the head magnetism on some weapons can get a little bit quirky (at night)

[stray summit]

no its easy just light spam

Diagonal is close enough to horizontal

if you need to slap a big armored guy around

heavy spam

[visual stream]

Crucis does sweep

H1 H2 H1 H2 H1 H2

[solar gorge]

unless you activate

don't forget that

[hard nexus]

but where oh where does a light after L2 lead

[hard nexus]

oh

[slow stag]

im gonna make a crusher to become a discount arbites!

help me team

how do i build it without looking at the pins

[tropic egret]

Actually, this is a dumb question but what is "H2".
I only know "Light" and "Heavy". How can you have a "Heavy 2"... I guess that's just a '2nd Heavy attack'. But then the following "H1" is just a '3rd Heavy attack'.
So "H1 H2 H1 H2 H1 H2" is really just: H H H H H H

[north sedge]

skullcrusher slaughterer then look at the guide in the pins so you know how to use it

[stray summit]

Caxez are fucking boring

[solar gorge]

it's the second heavy in the chain

it's referring to each unique animation

[slow stag]

im gonna light spam it

so defence dump

[north sedge]

then don't bother using it

[tropic egret]

Caxes just 'feel' good, they have a satisfying thunk, and you can run around fast with them... I know there are better weapons but... I just like it heh. I try to overcome its deficiencies with skill

[slow stag]

im kidding btw but is defence dump the way or should i power output dumpo

[north sedge]

def

[slow stag]

ok good becuase i already built a D dump one

skullcrusher is > oppertunist ?

[vast basin]

Yes

[slow stag]

looks good

?\

[visual stream]

Different attacks in an animation chain are numbered differently

For example, Ironhelm's H1 is a horizontal sweep coming from the right, H2 is the same but from the left, and H3 is an overhead strikedown

Some weapons get jiggy with it and mix up which attack will lead you where in a chain

[tropic egret]

(jiggy = jigsaw puzzle emoji)

I just opened Darktide and yeah, Caxes are more than twice as strong as Taxes, so am a bit confused why anybody would pick a taxe

[north sedge]

They're knife but in axe form

[visual stream]

Back to L1 btw B)

[tropic egret]

You can move fast?

[vast basin]

Are you just looking at the two numbers on the weapon card?

[tropic egret]

yeah

[vast basin]

Because aside from having a better mobility profile, they also have a higher Crit chance, attack speed and better finesse adms

[slow stag]

There's more to weapons than the raw sexy stats I ask here for any tiny decision I make until people get sick of me then I vanish into the darkness for another couple months until they forget to repeat the process

[mighty root]

Don’t use it if you’re going to do that use the relic blade or combat axe

[slow stag]

I know I was just kidding

[mighty root]

The dump on crusher is power output

Or defense

[slow stag]

I'm just trying to mastery every weapon now so I'm using ones outside my comfort zone

It's not going great tbh

[mighty root]

Highly recommend power output

[visual stream]

Btw why does relic blade activation get block mechanics but thammer doesn't

Even though thammer makes itself more vulnerable than RB frequently

[frosty herald]

https://youtube.com/shorts/aAVjduxeNEg?si=O4Hg4FjGCBI3X0Oj

@copper hawk

[mighty root]

Tac axe is amazing with crit and zealot, vet, and psyker are all amazing with crit

It’s also reliant on push attacks

So that makes it a very safe weapon to use

[tropic egret]

Looking at it... the Heavy Attack of the best Taxe is about 190.
The Light Attack of a Rashad Caxe is about 260 (Heavy Attack is 280+).

Taxe apparently has good 'Crits'. But I'm not sure what a 'Crit' is... is a Crit stronger than a Heavy Attack...
(this should really be explained in the game...)

[mighty root]

[vast basin]

Inspect the weapon then go to view detailed weapon attack breakdowns

[mighty root]

Tac axe is loved because of its incredible defensive capabilities with outputting a ton of damage

Also

Even on Arby

It’s ridiculous

Especially on him lol

[vast basin]

A Crit is a more powerful attack from any weapon that has a chance of happening

Different weapons have different Crit chances

Crits also get some amount of innate rending iirc

[mighty root]

Zealot > psyker > Arby I can’t list vet I haven’t used it a lot on him tbh

[vapid hornet]

Nvm wrong chat.

[copper hawk]

robin swogrd

[tropic egret]

Ah ok, I just inspected the Caxe.
I see now why somebody above (forget who) described it as 'braindead' heh. There are 3 "Light Attack Patterns" - and they're all the exact same. And there are 2 "Heavy Attack Patterns"... and they're the exact same.
But the Taxe has a bunch of different Attack Patterns.
So yeah, if you just want to blindly swing at things: Use the Caxe.
The Taxe requires a little bit more brain... If you don't know what you're doing with the Taxe, you might as well just use the Caxe

[tropic egret]

But is a Crit on a Taxe more powerful than a regular Light Attack on a Caxe... I wonder

[vast basin]

Sure, that is one takeaway you can have. You should also compare the numbers on Crits vs non-crits

You will notice that some weapons hardly gain damage from crits

Like the evis

While others can double or triple their damage from crits

[mighty root]

Tac axe also has better angles for bm because it’s push attack reliant

[vast basin]

Like the knife or ds

[mighty root]

Being in a rager horde with the ability to attack while blocking is amazing

[tropic egret]

I have to give the game designers credit here... If the taxe relies on push attacks, it feels like the designers have made a combat system with so many different elements: different attack patterns, different weapon stats - and different ideal playstyles (like having to 'push-attack')

[mighty root]

It’s comes from vermintide as well

Like the billhook for example

It needs to push attack to horde clear

Tbh I believe that’s why I love the tac axe so much

Stuns everything

Incredibly safe

Able to out put incredible damage

[tropic egret]

I have Vermintide but just never got around to playing it. I prefer the world of 40k. I don't understand why there's an entire rat race in Vermintide... There are so many different animals on Earth, why are rats the only ones that gained sentience and became humanoid. Why isn't there a hippo race, or a spider race, or a fish race too. Having a rat race feels weirdly... specific to me. But I can accept orcs, and elves, and aliens, and chaos gods

[obsidian prairie]

There’s lizards

But mostly because rats are thematic

[ripe heron]

There are beastmen of all kinds.

[obsidian prairie]

They work very well for a ceaseless swarming army that pops up out of your sewer to destroy a city

[tropic egret]

There's more than rats and lizards?

[misty nova]

Goats

[ripe heron]

Mostly goats.

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[thorny apex]

Can I stack up a similar amount of toughness to veteran toughness builds with zealot?

[obsidian prairie]

Beastmen yeah, though they are less directly animals and more kitchen sink of “has hooves”

[visual stream]

My goats

[thorny apex]

I have seen 175 with veteran and I want to do a similar one with zealot because I dont have much skill

[obsidian prairie]

Brick

[visual stream]

If they were written well they would have solo'd the tide

(has never actually read end times)

[ripe heron]

There are tigerpeople in the east, probably elephants too.

[obsidian prairie]

Wait nevermind I didn’t read I thought this was a reply to the beastman message

[tropic egret]

How do you see how much toughness you have? My zealot has a lot of toughness (but I don't know the exact number), so I can tell you how much I have

[visual stream]

I was about to say

I didn't know dinotaurs were so controversial

[drifting wolf]

were too busy fighting rats and getting the moon dropped on their head by said rats

[visual stream]

That's the thing
I refuse to believe that any amount of backwater, sewage-munching ""shamans"" could have ever won that tug-of-war with frogs that can, INDIVIDUALLY, move mountains

[thorny apex]

Uhhhh.... the blue bar is the toughness bar and at the end of the bar you can see how much toughness you have?

I dont know if you meant anything else but thats what I understood

[mighty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e88a554-4683-4ec8-994b-3a493e2d2073/terrible-zealot-build

[tropic egret]

I've seen the blue bar when I play with people in-game yeah... but I don't recall ever seeing a toughness 'number' near that bar.
So I was wondering if there was a way to check it without going in to a mission.
(But I suppose I could launch a mission now, and then see what my blue bar looks like, and then reply to you in 30 minutes heh)

[obsidian prairie]

You could also just go into the psykhanium

[drifting wolf]

i believe it, but that's probably because if anyone had the technology, numbers and lack of morals and ethics to nuke the moon it would've been the skaven

[tropic egret]

Ah ok, I'm in the Psykhanium now. I only have 145 toughness... thought it would have been more
And then 276 Damage

The numbers were always beside the blue bar, I guess I just ignored them

[visual stream]

I would only believe it in terms of capability if there were so, so many shamans focusing on this that the slann were outclassed by numbers alone

A guy with an automatic rifle can only shoot so many peasants with spears I guess

[tropic egret]

I'm looking at the Zealot tree. My zealot has 145 toughness, and I think I have all of the 'toughness-boosting' nodes. So I think that's the max? But the Zealot also has other nodes that boost your toughness in other ways... So the number beside your blue bar won't be as high, but your toughness will regenerate really fast

[obsidian prairie]

What are your curios

[tropic egret]

Who is this directed to? If it's to me:
Oh yeah... I forgot about curios...

[obsidian prairie]

I’m assuming 2 hp 1 toughness

[slow stag]

2 toughness 1 stam like a man

[obsidian prairie]

You only need Stam for push attack weapons

[misty nova]

Five hundred wounds

[slow stag]

interesting

[tropic egret]

I have 2 Max Health and 1 Wound
(So I'm guessing that's 2 HP and 1 Toughness yeah)

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah you should uhh

Change that

Quickly

To either 3 toughness or 2 toughness 1 Stam

[visual stream]

If you're still learning the game you can keep one wound but yeah change that ASAP when you get the hang of not going down

[north sedge]

dont use wounds unless you're doing martydom build, basically

[visual stream]

You could make the argument that you're getting more total max health with more wounds for when you get picked up, and you would be very right, but if you're in a bad enough situation to go down, your teammates are in a bad enough situation to usually not be able to pick you up

[tropic egret]

Ah... I never paid much attention to my curios. The only time I really looked at them was when I was tired of getting stunlocked by gunners, so I put gunner protection on them.
But ok yeah, thank you, I'll change the Max Health to Toughness.
(Although it is handy to have multiple wounds...)

[visual stream]

So you go down faster and for not much reason

[slow stag]

i just run this for every single weapon for zealot

2x toughness 1x stamin curio

simple easy effective

[obsidian prairie]

I’d recommend swapping Good Balance to get right side piety for a bunch of weapons but yeah

[slow stag]

(stolen from pins )

[obsidian prairie]

That’s The Zealot Build™

[slow stag]

haha yeah

[north sedge]

more toughness means you go down less, wounds ironically means you have less def and go down alot more, unless you're running martydom

[visual stream]

What weapons do you use for this?

Some weapons there would be some key changes that you absolutely would change

[slow stag]

i use relic sword, heavy sword, evisc (mk15) and dueling sword

playing around with dagger and crusher just for weapon mastery atm

[tropic egret]

Ah ok. That kind of makes sense. I used to have a different build, and I felt like I never went down. But then I changed it... and noticed that I seemed more fragile in melee.
Ok yeah, I'll add more toughness

[visual stream]

Yeah that all works more or less then

[slow stag]

im gonna run a light spam crusher

see you in auric quickplay

i am the 99%

[ivory marlin]

who should i pick

[visual stream]

Left one looks mean

[misty nova]

Orange cat behavior

[tropic egret]

The bottom 99% means you're... a regular person?

[visual stream]

Middle one looks proud and cute
Right one looks kinda shy and cute

[slow stag]

run the right one he looks friendly but he will def bite your balls first chance

[visual stream]

I think do middle one perchance

Or right

[slow stag]

my buddy took in a rescue dog once and was showing me how well he trained it and it bit him in the crotch. Thats def that dog

[ivory marlin]

i took the brown one cuz i looked at the descriptions and the brown one was silly

[slow stag]

@tropic egret correct madam

[tropic egret]

After tweaking things: Yeah, you can get more than 175 toughness as a zealot. I changed some of my curios and I now have 192 Toughness as a zealot. And I could go higher (but I want one of my curios to give me an extra wound. If I turned that wound in to toughness, I'd be over 200).
I haven't tried playing with this, so I don't know what unexpected consequences this might have... but yeah, zealots can have a lot of toughness

But basically, if you want a lot of toughness: You have to pick toughness options in your build, and then also think about your curios

[tropic egret]

Unexpected consequences might include: getting all the chicks, because you're so tough

[slow stag]

or daemonhosts buzz buzz buzz buzz

[scenic drift]

ui mods

[slow stag]

hey should i bring beacon of purity into the build

[scenic drift]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/14

[scenic drift]

beacon is great, but can be problematic if you're the only reliable anti-carapace character

oh wait beacon

[plush estuary]

Beacon is nearly never worth it

[scenic drift]

beacon's only good for the penance

[plush estuary]

the game does not have enough corruption sources outside havoc

and it gets stop if you are missing a wound

[vale blaze]

whats the sauce for thunderhammer 1 tap boss build

I load it up, fotf, heavy headshot, and it takes not even 20% of a non-weakened boss' HP bar

im using reggie's build

[vast basin]

Don't know who that is, but max damage thammer is Marty stealth

[vale blaze]

is stealth mandatory if i expect to delete bosses in 1 hit?

[north sedge]

should be doing more than 20, but one shot needs shroudfield, which also limits your overall utility

[vale blaze]

yeah im definitively not gimping myself for it then, was just hoping for a bit more oomf

[north sedge]

Dunno what reggies build is

Should be doing more than 20

[vale blaze]

like how many charged taps should a slug take?

[north sedge]

Like 3? If we're talking damnation/auric

[visual stream]

Stack headtaker and thrust

For further 1 shotting as more of a meme, use Shroudfield

[jagged cradle]

@copper hawk

[lean cairn]

@plush estuary mr ainz is my gk build good

ty

funny stab

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277023294108864619/1399166061584187545/00_killhimwithhammers.mp4?ex=68880270&is=6886b0f0&hm=38670d96b58c60dfddc3cc41cc8165a1b5fde87e291d640e31bc543bd32152e1&

[jagged cradle]

me or the poster

[misty nova]

It also dawned on me that

[median steeple]

poster

[misty nova]

It took this long to add a rapier to For Honour

????

[lean cairn]

@plush estuary you can make this event go a bit faster if you get one guy to stay behind the drop and get close to the edge so you can start to event

its funny

then you all reconnect on him then funnel enemies towards you

can stay in that same spot as before

if you get close to the edge it counts as being in the arena

[median steeple]

how I felt after that clutch

felt like god for a bit

[tame sluice]

yeah

wait for next year and maybe they'll add a two handed spear

[median steeple]

your crashout

[obtuse solstice]

where am I supposed to aim to get weakspot parries on chaos spawn

[sullen forge]

The voices were so fucking loud

[visual stream]

Usually bottom right of the head IIRC

Takes some tracking though

[slow stag]

guys why am i taking flesh tearer and lacerate into auric quickplays and loving it

[obtuse solstice]

with what mark

[visual stream]

Mark 4 dclaw is usually considered best

I think there's a second mark that some people recommend

[craggy jackal]

Because anything works in auric quickplay

Lacerate is a choice for sure though

[obtuse solstice]

I cannot get a weakspot hit for the life of me

[marble pewter]

whats wrong with lacerate ..

[craggy jackal]

You don’t want to aim for bodyshots

[ripe quest]

Combat Blade is a finesse weapon, it rewards hitting headshots. Lacerate requires body shots. Also if you're running a crit build Flesh Tearer stacks faster and doesn't have the same limitation. It's ok for very specific builds meant to utilize it, but those aren't common.

[craggy jackal]

If you want bleed you can pair flesh tearer with uncanny strike

iirc bleed is affected by rending

[obsidian prairie]

Lacerate can be forced to work if you can upkeep uncanny while also hitting body shots but its not really worth it for the effort unless you're soloing or something

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[median steeple]

@sullen forge I love the build diversity

[lunar fable]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-silly-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-11748501437476694103

[tame sluice]

they're using different grenades

[misty nova]

Duuuude

4 no hit reg

On my hammer

Fuck this

[visual stream]

Superiority comes at a cost, brother

[sullen forge]

The state of veteran

[misty nova]

4 is fucking crazy

For this event I'm just going to sit back with a pen flamer

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1399107207307722772/downloadfile-4.mp4?ex=6887cba0&is=68867a20&hm=ab6ed0abcbefab9c4273427d08d7a46050afda96f0c30961f3d93f18ddfe11c0&

[full nebula]

Servers have been exceptionally poopoo doodoo caca

[misty nova]

I'm sad

Just going to vacuum all the ammo

That'll cheer me up

[full nebula]

Can we get a server rework with the next character rework

[orchid cipher]

they are certainly kaka wee whizz

[silver leaf]

So the dump stat on purg flamer is damage? That’s what the sins guide says so I assume it current

[long oasis]

yes because most of the damage is dot

[silver leaf]

Ainz*

[silver leaf]

Ok that can make sense thanks

[long oasis]

I think the damage stat doesnt even do anything to the braced fire

[craggy jackal]

Only affects direct damage and the damage difference between 60 and 80 is ~1

[silver leaf]

Wew

[tame sluice]

flamer survives on 1 health wdyd

[craggy jackal]

Throwing knife

[median steeple]

@sullen forge gonna take a shower ggs

[sullen forge]

Alr

[median steeple]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kMo5mWVNY-3QS_rj0?invite=cr-MSxYdkcsMTk0NjM5OTEy

[sullen forge]

4 damage from that + direct burster hit

Arby is straight up fucking cheating

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/asriel-shrug-wildin-gif-2765553899476055720

[plush estuary]

great name

[stone fern]

@misty nova

[carmine falcon]

just 1 more and he'll be dead

[stone fern]

huh forgot to crop out spectating X

no one look at the name

[tame sluice]

how the hell does the name give anything away when that's one of the random gen ones

[lunar fable]

LOL

[misty nova]

https://youtu.be/M688uFxUd2Y?si=j-n0W0hbjAbN3oyS&utm_source=ZTQxO

Bro did not care

10 knives is crazy

[lunar fable]

freaky groaner

[radiant raptor]

the arbitrator threw a grenade, quick, throw it back

[acoustic dune]

chat

i shat

[void bison]

praise nurgle!!!!!!

[acoustic dune]

nurgle cant look this cool

he is a gentle giant of some sort

[formal umbra]

idk the maulers look pretty cool rn

[swift kraken]

FINALLY 😭😭

[worldly agate]

most useful zealot player

[swift kraken]

Nailed it

[glossy nimbus]

This good?

[compact lichen]

79% damage

literally unusable

[glossy nimbus]

relax relax I just got the dumpstat

hold on