#zealot-class

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visual stream
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Your main argument is that you can still do things while you're VoCing
Which is why it definitely sounds like you're coming from a "me, myself, and I" value perspective

tame sluice
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Honestly arbites charge is only worse than chorus support wise because the yellow stuff

floral grail
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like turning off the game for 8 seconds in an action game shouldve got shot down immediately in the cutting room floor

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but apparently not

visual stream
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I agree chorus isn't fun

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It's bordering smyker but at least you can't spam it like smite

tame sluice
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No because I believe the absolute best value you can provide to your team in this game is by killing enemies that are an immediate threat to them

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Rather than simply delaying the problem and hoping they can deal with it while the enemy is stunned, or waiting for that enemy to be a problem again later

violet hornet
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I don't hate the concept but the execution could use some improvements. It does feel less engaging to sit though the entire channel vs just using a quick burst or two to make room / shield an ally

visual stream
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The thing is if I know the capabilities of my team, it's not a hope

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It's a guarantee

tame sluice
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Hey I don't need to know the capabilities of my team to do that with good abilities

misty nova
violet hornet
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You're also not stuck looking at your targets and moving at a snail's pace with chorus vs smite

visual stream
tame sluice
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Yeah it is

violet hornet
tame sluice
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Because talking about Chorus means comparing one of the worst abilities in the game to the leagues of good ones that do what it does but better in every way

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Actually one thing Chorus doesn't get hopelessly outclassed at that I find quite helpful as someone who plays too much Veteran is boss stagger

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The only time Chaos Spawn are actually easy to headshot and kill is if they get stunlocked, and that usually only happens with dog Arbites around or Chorus

wicked violet
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does anyone else keep getting error 2014? and getting disconnected from the server mid match

gaunt roost
plush estuary
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wtf is this

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help

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send help

violet hornet
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Honestly I'd like to see it do some damage per pulse, apply stacks of a unique gold fire dot, or some armor shatter while it's on if they're not gonna let you use weapons during

violet hornet
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I liked it a lot for the goop havocs, it let you push past enemies without killing them and making those damn puddles. Got my team through many highly populated choke points with that without having to wait for every enemy to die and their puddles to evaporate

misty nova
violet hornet
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I kinda like the l4d roots of having killing be a tool to getting you to extraction quickly, unnecessary fights are discouraged there

stray summit
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they must all play 10000 hours of Ironbreaker in High Level Vermintide 2

tame sluice
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I play stagger tanks as frontliners in this game

plush estuary
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The team

tame sluice
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I just do it with Arbites and Ogryn

misty nova
plush estuary
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yes

misty nova
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Because yeah 174 ping zealot checks out

plush estuary
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we playing in Germany

placid fiber
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So uh... with all 3 5% toughness damage reduction nodes that means I have 1x0.85x0.85 toughness damage taken with benediction, right?

plush estuary
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horror game

placid fiber
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I know that doesn't add up much against enduring faith with benediction and stalwart... but from what I did with my calculator I got 27.09375% toughness damage taken with those buffs up, and 20.32% toughness damage if I had good balance up as well... which means that I could probably not toughness tank a sniper shot on my zealot...

plush estuary
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@lean cairn

placid fiber
placid fiber
plush estuary
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idk

placid fiber
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I'm just curious about something x.x

misty nova
placid fiber
# plush estuary idk

Damn, just thought I'd ask in case you did... I think they do like 120 damage or w/e on damnation since taking 1 sniper resist makes them do less than 100 damage...

misty nova
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122.5 base damage

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10 times against toughness

placid fiber
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Ty

misty nova
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Full spillover

lean cairn
placid fiber
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Hm... with all those resists I mentioned earlier (benediction, 3 5% tdr nodes, enduring faith, good balance, and stalwart) all up and 3 20% sniper resists... I got them doing 127.449 toughness damage :\

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I think I might have maffed wrong somewhere <.<'

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I get 20.3203125% toughness damage taken with all those buffs up... And then with 3 20% sniper resists that is that x 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 ... which gives me 10.404% toughness damage taken from snipers... Well I got the same # I did before so I must have done the math right :/

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Hmph I got the same # again for toughness damage taken :\

zenith geode
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hi

placid fiber
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Hello

zenith geode
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any good build for relic blade?

placid fiber
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Either mark can use any of the 3 keystones, but, I like to use blazing piety with the mk10 relic blade myself

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And it also depends on if you are talking havoc or not

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I can stitch a build together for you real quick tho

zenith geode
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what's the diffrence between havoc and auric?

spare dome
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Pain.

zenith geode
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how havoc work tho

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is havoc 17 like auric or easier?

spare dome
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0-9 is set to Malice difficulty, 10-19 is set in Heresy, 20+ is Damnation. Auric sits somewhere above that.

placid fiber
# zenith geode what's the diffrence between havoc and auric?

A stalwart piety build leaves you with 3 extra talent points left over and for me personally I take these 2 talents, which would leave you with 1 talent left over. Thy wrath be swift isn't mandatory for the mk 10 relic blade, but, it still is a nice quality of life/utility to have which is why I take it.

spare dome
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It's an overlay of additional modifiers.

zenith geode
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how can I share my build

placid fiber
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For the mark 2 you want thy wrath be swift since it uses heavies for horde clear, whereas the mk10 doesn't need it as badly since it uses light spam for horde clear

zenith geode
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is the same but diffrence

misty nova
placid fiber
# zenith geode how can I share my build

Well you can't really share it yet since you don't have the red name yet, which you get from chatting enough on the server... but you can send a link from the build editor for us to look at by opening the link. This is the build editor website: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

GamesLantern.com

Create your own Warhammer 40,000: Darktide builds for any class with the Darktide Build Editor.

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I don't know how new you are to zealot, but, this is the meta tree layout for zealot right now. Purple being mandatory talents, and yellow being optional/build path talents(for the keystone talents) @zenith geode

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This is The Build™

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This version doesn't have a yellow line to chastise's 2nd charge, 1 sec

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There, a revised version >.<'

zenith geode
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I have similar build but a lil changes

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the first 2 in middle and I dumped the 5% melee dmg with the perk under it to get more thoughness dmg redc

placid fiber
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Oh wait I got a version from the one who did it already which does this damn it, I'll pin that one in my darktide solo dm chat so I use it from now on >.<'

zenith geode
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sure

placid fiber
# zenith geode I have similar build but a lil changes

btw there's a chrome/firefox app that lets you check the dockets shop and melk's shop without opening darktide. This is the link for it, in case you want to use it. The firefox version requires something being done, but, I forgot what it was... I am a google chrome simpleton, so I didn't figure out how to do the thing for firefox's version... x.x
https://accounts.atoma.cloud/login

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I have mine set to curios only from the dockets shop for easy checks across all of my characters. :3

zenith geode
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thank you for telling

placid fiber
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It allowed me to get all of my max stat curios on my arbiter, that's level 30. I did check it every hour I was home and not sleeping for like... a week tho after the arbites class was released, so that kind of helped >.>'

hushed knoll
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@acoustic dune dinner 😍

violet hornet
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Well at least it's cooked

placid fiber
# zenith geode thank you for telling

Oh and by the way: 400 rated 3 stamina curios are fake, they are actually only +2 stamina in a mission... they show +3 in the meat grinder, but, only give +2 in missions. You need 410+ rated ones for real 3 stamina curios x.x

hushed knoll
violet hornet
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I sure as hell am not eating pink ground beef lol

spare dome
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I've seen your chicken stan you don't get to talk

zenith geode
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2 or 3 need stamina

placid fiber
# zenith geode I have it

This is the only curio that lies about the bonuses it gives at a specific rating. All others that say +1 wound, +17% stamina, and +21% health are real for their bonuses

zenith geode
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yup

placid fiber
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If you get a +1 wound curio while leveling your zealot you can use that even at level 30 since +1 wound is the only bonus it can give, for your martyrdom builds... it's cheaper to upgrade the rarity and cheaper to change perks :3

hushed knoll
violet hornet
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Stan about to go on his beef tartare arc

placid fiber
# zenith geode yup

Zealot is the primary class that gets any real benefit from wound curios, since it has a keystone literally build around having bonus wounds... otherwise bonus wound curios are a trap for new players since they 1: Reduce how much med stims heal you, 2: make new players think they can afford to go down and thus it deprives them of having a stat to prevent going down in the 1st place, and 3: well... the 3rd was the last point of the 2nd point about you lose out on stats that can prevent you from going down in the 1st place. Also if you don't get picked up then the "benefit" from bonus wounds is lost...

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Sorry for the wall of text, I just like making sure people know wound curios are traps >.>'

violet hornet
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Erm what about wound psyker intentionally detonating on elites

placid fiber
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This talent I mean for psyker <.<'

violet hornet
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Lmao I forgot this exists

visual stream
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Crystalline Will has gotta be the worst talent in the game

violet hornet
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That's actually kinda perfect for the idea

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When's ainz doing the four crystalline will wound psyker peril explosion only havoc 40 clear?

north sedge
visual stream
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Ass
Eating
Fucking dammit

north sedge
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Mathematics

placid fiber
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... for some reason I completely blanked that zealot's talent tree has 4 5% tdr nodes... :\

hushed knoll
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Time for tacos with a knife and fork

visual stream
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No sour cream?

hushed knoll
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I had no sour cream

visual stream
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Very sad day

placid fiber
visual stream
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Salsa?

hushed knoll
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There was salsa but I didn’t put it on

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Salsa on tacos is D tier

placid fiber
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Having 46% tdr with only 4 wound buffs is nothing to sneeze at either >.>

visual stream
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Especially if you're eating it with cutlery anyway

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Especially Especially with sour cream

placid fiber
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Which is 76.25% toughness dr(while enduring faith is up)

hushed knoll
void bison
violet hornet
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The more authentic a salsa is, the better it is on tacos

north sedge
plush estuary
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havoc 40 party finder is something else

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and a last second smite swap

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lmao

placid fiber
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Taxe + martydrom feels weird :\

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The attack speed makes it harder to do the attack rotations...

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I'm gonna try it again, but, without the attack speed per marty stacks to see if that feels better >.>

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I am by no means going to ever share this cancer I've put together... I have invocation of death, enduring faith, and 3 5% tdr nodes since they're additive with marty's tdr... and I have to say it feels nice. This talent tree might get me put on a hit list, tho, so I am keeping it to myself... I at least have duelist x.x

plush estuary
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smite psyker trying to kill a hexbound ritual with smite

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did not work

placid fiber
plush estuary
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yes

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a ritual

plush estuary
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which caused the hp to fill way faster then normal

north sedge
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that's a man with a plan

placid fiber
plush estuary
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whuh

placid fiber
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Welp with my current setup I have 72.2% tdr with enduring faith, benediction, and 3 marty buffs... even tho enduring faith is what is doing the heavy lifting here >.>

placid fiber
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Why does the taxe of all things do somewhat decent damage on special attack spam? I get that I have shred and scourge carrying my damage here, but, still this is just stupid that I can kill a damnation crusher this fast with special attacks only :/

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I'm gonna make sure I didn't accidentally set it to heresy or something... >.>

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Nope, I had it on auric. That is the same hp on enemies as damnation, right? :/

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That's only with +24% damage which is close to what I'd have with sustained assault and the 5% melee damage node up <.<'

misty nova
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Because they buffed special attacks

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💀

placid fiber
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lol with only 2 light 1 weakspot crits the bleed damage on a trapper finishes it off

plush estuary
placid fiber
plush estuary
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we failed 😦

mighty root
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Sorry

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I made him fail

placid fiber
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It's very consistent as well, this is stupid since I spent hours learning how to get the mk10 relic blade's push attack through bulwark shields >_<'

misty nova
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Get Fatshark'd lol

scenic drift
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only one doggo sadly

placid fiber
# misty nova Get Fatshark'd lol

Know what else is sad? The mk6 power sword as well is almost 100% consistent when right up against the bulwark's shield with the push attack hitting the bulwark through the shield...

misty nova
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Casual Psword w

hushed knoll
void bison
north sedge
scenic folio
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Okay time to try "The Build"

misty nova
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Itch.io has Brutal Legends for free for the next 666 minutes

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Well

rancid walrus
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Hello here, i'm trying to do the penance Shocking stuff for zealot, can someone help me?

misty nova
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606 currently

misty nova
placid fiber
plush estuary
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hive mind

misty nova
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💀

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Also still

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Psword top vet melee

placid fiber
# misty nova (I didn't even know it could go through Bulwarks shield)

I tested it out after I had done quite a bit of testing the mk10 relic's push attack, so I could get it more consistently(It's still very inconsistent on the mk10 relic blade)... meanwhile with the mk6 powersword? Just stand against a bulwark's shield and push attack... and it goes through extremely consistently :\

exotic oyster
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so outside of what i assume would be the dueling sword; relic blade; crusher and knife and thunder hammer, is there anything else that's good

tame sluice
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man I just wanted to do some lower level havocs to practice playing zealot with the havoc modifiers

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I was not prepared for this kind of meatgrinder on a havoc 18 of all things

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psyker leaves without explanation like 5 minutes into the mission

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ogryn is gunlugger and magdumps every horde

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arbites just seemed inexperienced but he stayed alive so good for him

hard nexus
exotic oyster
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hey

misty nova
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Eviscerators and Heavy Sword

exotic oyster
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it's a fucking warhammer can you blame me

hard nexus
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evis is good and only really faces its limits on high havocs

misty nova
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Hsword takes forever to kill carapace but you'll just kill everything else

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Still waiting for someone to say tactical axe

exotic oyster
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what about the tacax

misty nova
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It's usable

hard nexus
hard nexus
misty nova
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Still capped

scenic folio
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how is relic sword?

misty nova
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Still shit

hard nexus
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better than evis

misty nova
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The taxe that is

hard nexus
misty nova
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Relic is fucking goated

sullen forge
misty nova
sullen forge
misty nova
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Remove the cap on Tactical Axe

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And then I might

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Might

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Emphasis on might

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Say it's good

exotic oyster
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alright relic forever it seems

misty nova
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Well the secret ingredient is that zealot makes every melee weapon good

scenic folio
median steeple
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ralseidoobie might be cooked chat

sullen forge
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The fuck happened

exotic oyster
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just up to preference and talents?

tame sluice
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how do y'all play martyrdom in havoc if you do

sullen forge
misty nova
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It's just

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Not below A tier

median steeple
sullen forge
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Did it explode..

misty nova
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Then duelist talent doing the heavy lifting

median steeple
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no we had immersive repairs and didn't have enough repair

tame sluice
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It looks like they might have failed the repair

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and

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yeah

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that

tame sluice
void bison
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shoulda never smoked that shit now i'm in Kino der Toten

exotic oyster
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tbh ive really only had problems choosing a ranged weapon

tame sluice
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Who don't start with enough skill to actually fix electrical components safely

median steeple
void bison
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I wish I could play more barotrauma I liked doing a campaign with a friend

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the dlc looks intriguing

median steeple
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it's fun but damn getting a group together is a pain

void bison
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I'm even more of an antisocial prozac zombie than ever before so even like 1-3 would be a group enough

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GTFO and barotrauma were both games I mostly had experience in 1/2/3 players

sullen forge
void bison
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make the molochs of europa your friends. the watchers in the even deeper waters are really so lovely once you get past the airlock and all that hull metal in the way of their gaze

visual stream
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I roided out on learning Neurotrauma and a couple of its add-ons just to never be able to fucking play it

void bison
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i've done some modded singleplayer that's fun but I've never gotten super far

exotic oyster
void bison
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fentanyl instead, no neuro trauma required!!!

visual stream
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Did you use the crew member possession mod or whatever it's called?

visual stream
void bison
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whatever not sure

visual stream
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It literally has the foundations for an engaging medical system

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It didn't have to go to Neutrauma's lengths, because that's slightly CBT

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But dude you put forty medicines in the game and I'll only ever use 1

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2, if I use the 1 too much on the same guy

void bison
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I liked spiking my friend who was playing for the first time with alien blood and then playing into their panic for the sudden reactor meltdown fires

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is neurotrauma not able to config to a middleground?

visual stream
visual stream
scenic folio
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Braced AG looks kinda like an AK, I like that, is it as good as Infantry?

visual stream
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Since it's an overhaul of how everything works, and has its own dedicated new fixes for new problems, I don't think that's feasible without gutting it

exotic oyster
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yknow what is funny about the relic sword

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i made my zealot after Jarl Balgruuf the Greater in skyrim

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i think if you fight him in the stormcloak route he uses a greatsword

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:)

visual stream
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@void bison My first experience with Neurotrauma was our ship colliding with something and my friend getting a twisted or broken ankle
I told him we needed to use a surgery table that we didn't have yet for me to fix it, and he groaned for like five minutes before just insisting that I do it anyway

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He kept insisting despite me telling him it will kill him if I do it now
Lo' and behold

void bison
misty nova
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They are good for just raw damage, stagger and suppression

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But when finesse and dps comes into play
Iags are dps monsters

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The zealot has access to Dance of Death

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You dodge once and suddenly you have a decently accurate Brauto

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The popular pick is Agripina Braced Auto

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With the Graia being the second popular

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Also obligatory Brauto video

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This is Graia btw

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I payed for the whole mag I'm going to use the whole mag

tame sluice
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put ceaseless barrage on a graia brauto

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it fully suppresses a reaper in 3 bullets

brisk raft
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I never thought the Zealot would be good with Brauto

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Should reconsider Zealot with guns

fallen oriole
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Piety or IJ for relic blade?

scenic folio
normal shell
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@broken vessel

broken vessel
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i dont think "he is being a blunter" is an actual expression

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but calling someone blunt is

plush estuary
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@sullen forge

sullen forge
misty nova
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Fuck
Gotta restart RT playthrough

copper hawk
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Why

misty nova
# copper hawk Why

I screwed up somewhere with ToyBox now all my spaceship battles are insta fail

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I either find a way of unscrewing

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Or a way of skipping those battles

visual stream
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I forgor specifics of how it works but have you swapped the companions around to their best outposts for voidship fights?

placid fiber
copper hawk
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What the fuck ?????

placid fiber
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Arby smaul has this much with 3 3 stamina curios lol

placid fiber
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with only 1 I have nearly infinite stamina on arby as it is, so I doubt I will try using more in anything serious

copper hawk
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Low stamina class guys..

cyan belfry
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health or toughness for zealot in terms of curios

plush estuary
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Toughness

plush estuary
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for all classes

visual stream
copper hawk
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Tness

cyan belfry
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by the emperor

hushed knoll
copper hawk
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Sludgeness

hushed knoll
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@north sedge go to bedge kayak Tony's coin peepoBedge

plush estuary
visual stream
plush estuary
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the pubbies kept getting declinded

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but I accept

sullen forge
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the pubs yearn for H40 matches

median steeple
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no....

tame sluice
delicate shadow
burnt bobcat
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best devils claw?

misty nova
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4 or 7

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But actually none of them

burnt bobcat
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nah ur poo

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parry boss for days

misty nova
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Notice how you didn't mention flak damage

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#nooticing

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But yeah anyways

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4 or 7

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1 got a Strikedown after the push now

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Yay fucking yay

deft heron
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How would you guys feel if Chorus was a placement/banner style ability instead of the channeled pause button it is now? Does the exact same thing, except you can still fight as the caster, in exchange for loss of mobility

burnt bobcat
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okay so im stuck on what loadout to run. mainly what melee.
combat blade, relic blade, ds4, tac axe, devils claw...

plush estuary
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taxe

quick mountain
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is knife boss damage just not anything to write home about or am i just aiming at weak spots bad with fotf

misty nova
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You're just missing

burnt bobcat
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knife is meant to burn through bosses yes?

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or is it just aight

misty nova
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Knife has really high finesse

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Pair with Precognition and Duelist

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And boom big damage

odd locust
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Bruh Dualist is the absolute shit! These crit combos be drowning me!

misty nova
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Yeah because Precog and Duelist buff critical body damage you can also pair Precognition with Riposte

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Shit out crits

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The alternative is funny Shroudfield

placid fiber
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By the way I found a use for the rashad's special attack... when all of my buffs are up special attack a reaper then finish it off with a heavy since my heavy does 3600 damage with all my buffs up besides break the line on my arby. :3

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Otherwise? Nope, I'm always going to forget that the rashad even has a special attack...

acoustic dune
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Throawble chorus

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Extra pulse with the more krill you get

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From the throw

misty nova
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This is not even a good knife as well

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Pretty sure I got elites and sprint on it

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Idk why or when I did that

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🤷

plush estuary
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when have they ever climbed through that window

quick mountain
lunar fable
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just went into my first game in a while

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i joined one that was in progress and saw an ogryn running away from a pack of 4 walkers

misty nova
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Also snipers got hands

gaunt roost
maiden wave
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for zealot is it best to go far right urle talenTs? with relic sword

misty nova
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As long as you have second wind and duelist

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It'll work

gaunt roost
acoustic dune
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The best zealot weapon is the one you made along the way

misty nova
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No. I want my fucking weapon

acoustic dune
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Is what I am saying

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Barrel them into the enemy

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Hory shit I just got an idea

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What if

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We could rocket jump

atomic matrix
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i feel scammed, @mighty root told me that Zealot is all about dodge, which make sense, their one perk tree favours that...
issue is that the weapons that i like the most for the class (Relic B, Eviscerator, Thammer, Crusher) all have lesser dodges!
what i have left is a class that I struggle to like even MORE now because its not only onedimensional but doesnt favour what i actually like TT_TT

mighty root
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It buffs your dodges

atomic matrix
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full day was me feeling that im performing worse than Veteran, and that was with IJ

atomic matrix
acoustic dune
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Fyre

mighty root
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It’s over

acoustic dune
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Stone him

atomic matrix
craggy jackal
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love me relic

acoustic dune
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And if you want to spam it

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Dueling sword is right there

atomic matrix
acoustic dune
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But we will call you a stinky boy for it

mighty root
mighty root
atomic matrix
mighty root
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Have you tried crit crusher

acoustic dune
mighty root
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Or crit heavy sword

atomic matrix
mighty root
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Owari da…

atomic matrix
desert vessel
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hsword is nice, but i found it kinda boring to use

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what weapons are really good for doing the backstab and shroudfield penances

craggy jackal
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knife

atomic matrix
mighty root
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I’d do knife

desert vessel
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or do you just spam m1 knife

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because ive seen people doing that whole bleed knife thing

craggy jackal
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bleed knife lol

atomic matrix
mighty root
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Tbh bleed knife is fun but not needed especially on stealth

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I’d do precog uncanny

desert vessel
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ok , how do you build knife for shroudfield, and which mark

mighty root
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I do mk 3

atomic matrix
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the ONE thing that somewhat feels...not fine but can work is knife chorus star, basically singing all time

desert vessel
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because i have perfect max mastery knife, but i dunno how to use it

craggy jackal
#

3 for h1 overhead and a pa thats not a stab

mighty root
#

Tbh I only like the mk 6 on psyker

craggy jackal
#

also remember to hold heavy attack when sprinting you go faster

acoustic dune
#

And since you like doge so much why don't you marry it

desert vessel
#

what perks and blessings for knife, also do you use the knife to horde clear

atomic matrix
craggy jackal
#

uncanny precog for knife

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flak unyield

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since youre bossing

acoustic dune
atomic matrix
#

but if you crit so much the bleed on crit isnt better?

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in any case, my one hope to use the class feesl that will be with the crusher (the weapon), otherwise it doesnt feel that good for me TT_TT

atomic matrix
#

where is obesefish and the rework already?

lavish flax
#

does lacerate still only work on body shots

acoustic dune
#

You can with the right build get 100% crit

atomic matrix
desert vessel
acoustic dune
desert vessel
acoustic dune
desert vessel
#

ignore ranged option and curios

lavish flax
#

yeah you can pretty easily stack to >80% without that much effort

acoustic dune
#

Crit pairing with the recon last goes crazy

misty nova
#

MasterCrafted Shroudfield

#

Ew

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Ew

#

Ew

desert vessel
#

isnt that better for getting the penance done

#

i just need that build for finishing off the shroudfield and backstab penances lol

misty nova
#

Oh that penance

craggy jackal
#

dont you need to one shot out of shroud

#

so perfectionist is better

misty nova
#

I think Meow had some tips about it

desert vessel
#

meow did mention i could just go park outside enemy spawn in mortis trials with rashad combat axe and finish it off that way

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but I kinda wanna play the games

misty nova
#

*ignore the second picture

desert vessel
#

well, it looks like at least the talent point spread is fine, except for mastercrafted shroudfield i guess

craggy jackal
#

mortis is kinda just penance farm simulator

desert vessel
#

ik, but im kinda sick of it since I farmed all the ogryn penances there

misty nova
#

MasterCrafted is fine

#

More room for movement

desert vessel
#

also is retributors stance better than swift certainty

misty nova
#

It's just that you know
I'm named Perfectionist

desert vessel
#

because i dont really like either that much, but i got one extra point

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so i put it into retributors

craggy jackal
#

dont ever take swift certainty

placid fiber
#

^

desert vessel
#

I guess I could take until death or anoint in blood instead of retributors stance

placid fiber
#

It's a noob trap of a talent. It sounds good on paper cause it says you can "dodge ranged attacks while sprinting"... but what it doesn't tell you is that you already can while you have stamina, swift certainty just lets you do it at 0% stamina. :\

craggy jackal
#

the tutorial tells you that you can dodge ranged attacks while sprinting

placid fiber
#

That's only in the advanced tutorial x.x

long oasis
#

but it is mine now...

placid fiber
desert vessel
#

i dont think im gonna take until death on this build

mighty root
craggy python
#

mine

desert vessel
#

I generally dont take it unless im playing martyrdom

mighty root
desert vessel
#

im gonna take either retributors stance or anoint in blood

placid fiber
long oasis
desert vessel
#

yeah but Im doing the penance lol

placid fiber
#

Which one?

craggy jackal
#

loner penance

placid fiber
#

I just got here like 3 minutes ago

#

Hm

desert vessel
#

all the backstab/shroudfield/loner penances

placid fiber
#

Loner + shroudfield right?

mighty root
craggy jackal
#

i would drop blood redemption and retributors to get to purge too

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but i just like purge

desert vessel
#

and so far ive got this build

placid fiber
desert vessel
#

ignore ranged and curios

#

is ij not good with shroudfield

placid fiber
#

There's nothing wrong with ij and shroudfield together

mighty root
#

Piety would give you your ability faster

long oasis
#

ij is arguably worse than piety

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for shroud since its 60 sec cd

placid fiber
craggy jackal
#

what

mighty root
#

I wonder if ij will be a keystone like Arby has

long oasis
#

is zealot tree rework confirmed?

mighty root
#

Like how he has 5 something keystones

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Can you imagine a combo of ij and piety

placid fiber
#

Tho for IJ... I'd say something like this probably @desert vessel

desert vessel
#

oh you take stalwart instead of fury rising?

long oasis
#

ngl I have no idea whats going on in this game the devs go radio silent 8 months out of the year

misty nova
misty nova
placid fiber
misty nova
#

Fatshark recently learned how to make good trees

placid fiber
#

And if you're using the knife you can skip the 10% attack speed talent

desert vessel
#

nah i love excessive attack speed

craggy jackal
#

frenzy always take

misty nova
#

FS still going to find a way to fuck up though

long oasis
#

theyre also on vacation rn right

craggy jackal
#

i love pressing buttons

misty nova
#

Because that's my goat

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Right there

placid fiber
misty nova
long oasis
#

stupid europeans having good work life balance

desert vessel
#

is the emperors bullet like, crazy with db

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or even magdump bolter

long oasis
#

not really

placid fiber
desert vessel
#

yeah its that one

placid fiber
#

Even if there was a 1 mag gun I wouldn't say it was all that great :/

long oasis
#

30 impact and 10 melee speed

desert vessel
#

ive literally never used it except to do that beacon of purity penance that one time

long oasis
#

I mean if youre going book you might as well take it

#

its right there

desert vessel
#

its not that close to book

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its close to the corruption cleansing aura

long oasis
#

generally its book + beacon no?

#

what are you gonna run, loner?

placid fiber
#

I've only used it with the dr on someone taking damage for 4s talent... besides for the creeping blight havoc thing I think the corruption removal aura is... not very good when compared to 15% tdr that is always up always keeping you alive longer. :\

craggy jackal
#

book + benediction? 😭

desert vessel
#

really? people are taking beacon?

long oasis
craggy jackal
#

beacon situationally useful in havoc

placid fiber
desert vessel
#

I guess beacon is still better than loner most of the time

placid fiber
#

benediction is better pathing than beacon of purity, and if there isn't the creeping blight then afaik benediction is the go-to aura

mighty root
long oasis
#

none of zealots auras are that great anyways

placid fiber
craggy jackal
#

theres a penance for beacon anyway

mighty root
desert vessel
#

ive done all the penances except the shroudfield/loner/backstab ones, and just a flesh wound

long oasis
desert vessel
#

i had a blast using immo grenade, i just missed out on some talents i needed

long oasis
#

tdr propaganda

placid fiber
desert vessel
#

well, I havent tried some of the really popular zealot weapons yet, mainly, duelling sword, crusher, relic blade

placid fiber
#

On a side note: I love this thy wrath be swift travel talent since it makes guns like the autopistol able to snipe. :3

desert vessel
#

so far my fav build is sweeping eviscerator mark with fotf and bp, and ive used the other stuff, rashad uhh

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i forgot the rest

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i have a perfect crusher and duelling sword, il level them at the end

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no perfect relic blade though 😿

#

oh yeah hsword was great too

placid fiber
desert vessel
#

yeah im doing hammer rn

placid fiber
#

I also got myself addicted to the heavy sword when they released the talent trees since I used it on my "clutch" build. :3

long oasis
#

thammer is life

tame sluice
desert vessel
#

I still have to unlock the crucis mark, im using thunderhelm rn

placid fiber
tame sluice
#

Admittedly not an uncommon one becaus Vet squish

craggy jackal
long oasis
desert vessel
#

i had a crazy mortis game with a crucis zealot, it was my first mortis game ever, i went straight to auric mortis and we cleared the whole thing the first time, because our zealot just one shotted all the bosses one by one with crucis

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and the vet needed nonstop revives for ..vet stuff ig

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i was playing ogryn with karsolas pickaxe so 💤

placid fiber
# long oasis bonk

Yep, and I tested it like... 2 weeks ago: It still works. That setup did require 25% unyielding and 10% weakspot damage on my thammer in order to kill it without duelist or any headtaker or sustained assault stacks tho... otherwise it is just 25% unyielding and 1 headtaker or sustained assault stack or duelist for the 1 shot >.>

#

you have no idea how much pain it caused me to put weakspot damage on my thammer to make sure that still worked... I hate that perk on any weapon, especially the thammer x.x

long oasis
#

oof

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does crit damage work?

desert vessel
#

you dont really neeed the complete one shot ya know KEKW_ogryn

long oasis
#

its a matter of pride

desert vessel
#

i see

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understandable

placid fiber
gaunt roost
#

is it any good

desert vessel
#

i didnt like the flamer at first, but once i got fully levelled up and blessed out , its absolutely bonkers

craggy jackal
#

heavy sword is fun

long oasis
#

hsword is good at killing things

craggy jackal
#

it just doesnt do anything against carapace

tame sluice
desert vessel
#

its moveset is very nice to loop

spiral anvil
#

How do you fight carapace Sitgryn

long oasis
#

you need chastise charges for carapace

desert vessel
#

just special and h1 loops nonstop

long oasis
#

or heavy special loop for mediocre damage

spiral anvil
#

Is brumo still the play

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Or whatever the equivalent blessing is

long oasis
#

deathblow yes

placid fiber
# gaunt roost is it any good

Yes, but, you either need to slowly wittle down crushers or use a crit build to do it a bit faster... or take a boltgun to kill crushers. Those are the biggest weakness of the heavy sword... since it does poor carapace damage. You can dodge and weave around the crushers fairly well doing special attack heavy 1 over and over until they die... also the heavy 1 does more damage with chastise(As long as you have at least 10% rending the heavy 1 does more damage than the special)

long oasis
#

headtaker and deathblow

placid fiber
#

I learned 10% rending was all it took when I tried the 10% rending talent on vet's talent tree with the heavy sword. >.>'

desert vessel
#

is mark 7 the best of the taxes

spiral anvil
#

Does zealot get any rending KEKW_ogryn

long oasis
#

ive never tried bladed momentum before

placid fiber
long oasis
placid fiber
desert vessel
#

also is shock maul any good

placid fiber
#

It is... mid on zealot

#

It is better on arbites

desert vessel
#

i havent tried that yet either

long oasis
#

shock maul moveset is wonky

craggy jackal
#

not after arbites

desert vessel
#

which shock maul mark is good

#

agni im assuming

spiral anvil
#

I like the one that starts with heavy sweep

#

But aren't they the same? just combo difference

long oasis
#

one does more damage I think

#

my people live exclusively off meat and rice

#

gymbro lifestyle

spiral anvil
#

Is that amazing cult or RimWorld KEKW_ogryn

long oasis
#

rimworld

#

Odyssey has been really fun, like probably my favorite dlc out of all of them

full nebula
maiden wave
lost pumice
#

I love our build variety

median steeple
compact lichen
#

Pretty much every class ingame only has the one "viable" build

#

but realisitically like... even in havoc 20 just be good and run whatever

long oasis
#

ogryn?

compact lichen
#

ogryn's meta build is just rumblergryn

#

all the other builds are """""""""technically suboptimal"""""""""

#

but ogryn is kinda op so he gets away with running whatever he wants usually

long oasis
#

viable does not mean meta

#

I think what most players want from a "viable" skill tree is just to have less tax nodes

#

like ogryn and arbitrator get to have fun with all their blitzes and abilities because their tree is more freeform

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while zealot is stuck with 5 darktrillion nodes that either do very little or are bugged and do basically nothing so half the tree is no fun to play

night fractal
#

can anyone help me with a zealot achievment called flesh wound?

visual stream
#

As interesting as rot is in Aneurism

#

It gets so boring once it starts taking over because it's impossible to do anything without randomly dying

tame sluice
#

blame the janitors ig

visual stream
#

Or the cops who take your gun away while they're short-staffed and you're helping

tame sluice
#

look man they don't make the rules they just enforce them

visual stream
#

Zealots and Enforcers competing to see who has the most brain damage and the biggest ego at the same time

copper hawk
#

Right on the Meowney

copper hawk
#

I think that's it

#

Brittleness doesnt count because it doesnt work the same as rending

#

If we counted we got one

#

On a flame thrower

#

Cuz yeah.

#

I guess uncanny as well but on one shared weapon

spiral anvil
#

It's like 20% isn't it

copper hawk
#

Oh and the k. Nife

#

But not like the other classes got either

#

I think all classes have a straight rending or brittleness, at least one, on their talent trees

#

But zeal, excluding the one attack fotf gives you

copper hawk
spiral anvil
#

They probably want zealots to use innate crit rending

#

But also base crit is lower than arby and psyker

#

Also no crit chance node

ripe quest
#

Probably no crit chance node due to Scourge and Blazing Piety existing. Unless it was absurdly high for a stat node, people would just think it's a tax node.

runic grotto
#

how do you actually hit heads with crusher pa?

#

Where do I aim exactly?

#

I don't unrderstand, half the time I hit the head and half the time I miss

ripe quest
#

Up left usually. Really depends on the enemy and where they're facing in relation to where you're attempting to hit from.

runic grotto
#

How much up left?

#

Where on my screen their heads need to be for me to hit them

placid fiber
#

I had forgotten about this. I drew this with the crayon writing tool in my paint document a while back >.>'

wary lagoon
#

I have nothing but hatred for the right side zealot tree penances. I'm just glad they're finally over.

ripe quest
placid fiber
#

The 1st one 1 shots the dreg and scab bruisers with my buffs up, but, the 2nd one doesn't despite it being a strike down looking attack :\

#

That was vs a heresy scab bruiser and dreg bruiser, since my taxe's damage is only uh... ... ... 58% >.>'

sacred jay
ripe quest
placid fiber
acoustic dune
#

ey phill

placid fiber
#

Or was I just extremely lucky each time I tried it? >.>'

placid fiber
#

Hi, Knify

acoustic dune
#

dis u?

placid fiber
#

When my adhd is going wild? Yep, I practically run around the place sometimes in a hyperactive rampage sometimes when it gets bad enough x.x

acoustic dune
#

golly

scenic drift
#

OOF, I've been missing 12% strength for a while

acoustic dune
copper hawk
#

/e dance3

acoustic dune
copper hawk
primal scroll
#

Time to get annoyed by all your zealots by falling behind while playing psyker...

jagged cradle
#

i can’t wait

near drum
copper hawk
#

Unfortunately ill be asleep

#

Probably

jagged cradle
#

and rapiers are kino

copper hawk
#

I love her animations

#

Especially the neutral guards

#

I do saber and my partner does Neapolitan/Destreza rapier now and i recognize both from literature

#

Her neutrals anyways

#

Her stances except the top one ive never seen before

#

I doubt theyre from literature w how weird they are but there is some weird shit in rapier

jagged cradle
#

also she’s very talkative i like that

#

why i like wm a lot too

copper hawk
#

I forget the word because it's Italian but it's when you thrust from inside guard while moving and put ur hand on the floor

#

It's something in one of capoferro's many rapier treatises

copper hawk
#

Her fashion is weird and i like it

jagged cradle
#

yeah her fashion is weird it’s good

#

also super funny outlanders have more hero’s than the wulin now

copper hawk
#

It's a mix of a lot of shit from various centuries which i like

#

All Italian

#

Except for that one klappvisor helmet but idk if thats a klappvisor or a visored burgonet/klapp hybrid

copper hawk
#

Princess Bride

#

During the duel

jagged cradle
#

yeah that’s the one

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i saw so many tiktok clips of it i eventually watched the whole thing

#

good movie

copper hawk
#

I think they mention uh

#

Agrippa (camilo agrippa), another italian fencer

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And bonetti who is a known italian? Venetian? I forget fencer who wrote treatises in London iirc

#

All around the same century

#

I think capoferro would be the earliest reference they made

#

He's 17th century im p sure

#

Idk a whole lot about rapier, i dont own one, and ive only ever read destreza literature (spanish rapier written by a very snobby imperial Spanish nobleman)

#

I do saber but rapiers evolved militarily from the saber

#

Theyre both cut and thrust swords

#

Saber moreso cut than thrust and vice versa for the rapier

#

They share a lot of the same movements and guards

jagged cradle
#

you actually fence with a saber?

#

what kind i know there’s alot of variations when it comes to sabers

copper hawk
#

Oh and thibault

#

According to google they refrence him too

#

Ive seen him discussed in hema channels but all i know is he's dutch

copper hawk
jagged cradle
#

i think cavalry sabers are my favorite design of them

copper hawk
#

There's a lot

#

Roworth's manual is meant for both infantry and cavalry

#

The Prussian style is meant for cavalry sabers though

#

19th century stuff

#

Roworth's last update was with the help of a cavalryman officer though who also fought w bh bs which was popular at the time

jagged cradle
#

i see this has been pretty insightful maybe i should learn more about medieval weapons

#

or renaissance for rapiers

copper hawk
#

Rapiers, baskethilt broadsword, sabers (of all kinds, they were used for a long time and of patterns there are a great many)

#

Lots and lots of literature, heavy and nimble

#

I prefer saber personally now than longsword

#

But ive done longsword a long time and saber now for a few months so maybe it's just novel to me

#

Less gear needed lmfao which is nice

#

Oh all my sabers are made by VB btw

#

They make longswords as well

#

Theyre a group based out of Hungary - which also has great saber manuals

#

I have the gymnasium saber and bell mili saber from purpleheart and theyre quite wonderful, highly recommend

jagged cradle
#

can you show me your saber when you get the chance

copper hawk
#

https://share.google/uE725XCpFoti7zO4A i recently bought one of these a few weeks ago because they came highly recommended

Shop Poker

Adept Saber - new version, with peened guard instead of thread. Only available with spiral leather wrap. Designed as ideal tool for beginner fencers, to allow them easier start in they fencing journey. Typical parameters for military sabers makes this saber all-around weapon, applicable both as amazing tournament weapon and ideal representative ...

#

Sure

#

Only one i have on me now is my gynasium saber because ive loaned my mili to one of our other club members

#

So he may spar w my normal sparring partner since we have diff schedules

solar gorge
#

peened guard

copper hawk
#

Spimgton

#

Did i send u the spamton meme

solar gorge
#

yes i saw

#

scrumptious

copper hawk
#

Intercontinental Ballistic Spamton

#

@jagged cradle

#

Nothin rlly 2 look at it's just ur typical saber

#

And my Literature

#

Ive shown u my Long Swads B4

misty nova
#

100% rending

spiral anvil
#

Why do I keep getting replies to my 80 year old question

jagged cradle
#

what was your favorite book to read so far

jagged cradle
#

have you

#

?

hushed knoll
#

@acoustic dune

copper hawk
#

they r Very Good

#

i dont own a hungarian style cavalry saber and my sabers are fairly light

#

so a lot of it is lost on me

acoustic dune
hushed knoll
#

Oatmeal

acoustic dune
#

Why is it now piping hot

hushed knoll
#

I microwaved it for too long

acoustic dune
#

Chat

#

Can we fund stan actual food

hushed knoll
carmine falcon
carmine falcon
#

nope

hushed knoll
#

Are you Algerian

carmine falcon
#

no gigaxi

misty nova
hushed knoll
carmine falcon
#

well im middle eastern

#

so you're not wrong

#

i love getting boiled in the summer

acoustic dune
#

You think stan know that I am asian

hushed knoll
hushed knoll
acoustic dune
#

No you dont

hushed knoll
acoustic dune
#

No you didnt

hushed knoll
#

You’re from Vietnam or Thailand

#

I forgot

acoustic dune
#

How can't you remenber what nationality I am from

#

Literal sandwhich

minor sigil
#

can we get this for blazing piety for the zealot rework please thanks

carmine falcon
#

sounds broken i love it

minor sigil
#

tbf blazing piety is probably being retired and turned into a more interesting keystone than "more crits lol"

#

considering Arbites has that keystone as a regular talent node

#

definitely not copium^

radiant raptor
#

zealots keystones barely change the way you play

#

do what you were already doing, but more

minor sigil
#

yeah that is the main issue with Zealot I believe

carmine falcon
#

marty does gigaxi

#

u become speed demon

misty nova
#

Casual martyrdom w

#

As always

cold aspen
#

for curio perks on martyrdom, should i go 2 gunner, 1 sniper, stamina regen? and something else?

runic grotto
#

3 stam 3 toughness 3 gunner

misty nova
rugged rock
#

is Lethal Proximity any good or is the damage negligible on Havoc?

#

(for the Bolt Pistol)

misty nova
#

The explosion barely does damage

#

And due to ammo shortage I don't recommend using it for creating breathing room

rugged rock
#

What would you recommend for blessings then? I was thinking Point Blank and Deadly Accurate

#

And then I was gonna do extra ranged critical chance and flak armor for perks

stone fern
#

event is up on sedition

#

its speedrunable

stone fern
rugged rock
#

mfw the event tiers give you less ordo dockets than a single mission

stone fern
#

🚬 dockets? whats that

carmine falcon
#

playing events for anything other than funny haha gimmicks

misty nova
#

FS buffs Eviscerators
FS releases event where big enemies are Infested

#

I see you FS

#

I know what you are

full nebula
craggy skiff
rugged rock
#

why not deadly accurate? double damage seems pretty dang useful

north sedge
#

Surgical da works, similar to revolver in use there

rugged rock
#

at that point, other than ammo count, it kinda seems like the revolver is better in every way

#

huge headshot hitbox, faster switching, faster aiming

#

and only 30 less damage which is negligible on Havoc and doesn't affect any breakpoints

north sedge
#

Having a clip reload is nice

rugged rock
#

that's true, but it's a long reload and you can always interrupt the revo one if you only need 1-3 shots

frozen hawk
#

how do i zealot

#

teach me your ways, O Blessed of the Emperor

rugged rock
#

what kind of zealot is an important first question

#

do you trust your teammates or do you not trust them to keep themselves alive

frozen hawk
#

true true

frozen hawk
#

is blades of faith shit or not

rugged rock
#

they're difficult to get used to but very helpful

#

especially if you're running certain builds like thunder hammer + flamer since you have no long range option

frozen hawk
#

so far, knife + either benediction or beacon of purity + fury of the faithful + inexorable judgement looks good but idk

rugged rock
#

I hate the knife but that's personal preference

#

I like either the relic blade or the thunderhammer

#

knife builds are fine on Auric but I've yet to see one be used effectively in Havoc

frozen hawk
#

i may try the fire grenade
i’ll probably need some aoe anyway lol

rugged rock
#

the fire grenade is pretty good

#

the stun grenade in my opinion is heavily underrated for reviving teammates and saving yourself and others from bad situations

misty nova
scenic folio
frozen hawk
#

HATING the early lack of aoe, i’m used to psyker and ogryn now </3

rugged rock
#

flamer

frozen hawk
#

haven’t unlocked it yet

misty nova
#

Your melee is aoe

cold aspen
#

anyone have a good TH + flamer talent build?

earnest eagle
#

Hey guys, I made a quick reference chart for Empowerment Cost to get weapons to 500:

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Pass it around.

heady rapids
#

you got a lot of free time it seems

earnest eagle
silver leaf
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I see some people take chorus into havoc. If you go that route what makes it possible/what’s suggested build/what mandatory talents for this?

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Is martyrdom with it a good idea or nah?

north sedge
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crit build

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typically

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for cdr

silver leaf
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Cool so crit build overall?

lone nexus
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If you're bringing book, yeah.

sullen forge
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@frosty herald I got that and I was like

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who the fuck is inviting me

frosty herald
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Is me!!!!!!!!

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Im the only zealot called raven

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I need to get the event done

sullen forge
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One second

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changing something

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That broke the thing I was trying to change..........

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one second