zealot-class

[misty mason]

Yeah thats sort of what I mean

Like my RBD bolter build is so unbelievably OP

But I wouldnt bring it to havoc

Cause its thirsty

[placid fiber]

Increasing mobs hp fucks with so many breakpoints it's not even funny

[misty mason]

yeah

member when thammers couldn't 1 shot crushers consistently

[placid fiber]

Yep

[misty mason]

And foldable shubbel could

[placid fiber]

foldable shovel casually killing 4 crushers in 1 heavy

[misty mason]

I appreciated the humour, but yeh

Funnily enough though, thammer probably needs a buff again

Although talent rework might fix it

[tame sluice]

when doesn't it

[frosty herald]

I think some things need kill tags

[tame sluice]

I'd rather see the bad universal human melees get buffs over class exclusives

[frosty herald]

And thammer needs thrust integrated into it

[misty mason]

Yeah integrated thrust is a good idea

[tame sluice]

If the options that everybody had were better I wouldn't feel so bad in havoc only being able to use like 2 melees for veteran

[misty mason]

Honestly maybe just make thrust integrated into zealot

Or a talent

Maybe its controversial, but I actually think there arent that many bad melee weapons

Mostly just that there are some really OP weapons

[frosty herald]

Kraks 100% need a kill tag on everything that isnt a boss

Cause kraks fall off in havoc 40 cause it isnt a crusher oneshot anymore

[misty mason]

Honestly, most of the melees I think are bad have people will tell me I'm wrong for thinking that lol

Looking at you chaxe enjoyers

[tame sluice]

Correct, but all of the bad ones are ones shared between classes for the most part

[misty mason]

<- hasnt tried chaxe since I hit level 30

[tame sluice]

So if you're playing Veteran your only good unique melee is power sword

[misty mason]

yeh

[tame sluice]

You kinda feel like you don't have much choice in what to bring

[misty mason]

thats true

[placid fiber]

"You don't think my [insert weapon here] is good?! YOU ARE WRONG AND BAD AND STUPID!!!!" someone, probably

[misty mason]

Yeah I mean I get it

You can make some bad weapons work

That just means you're good with it, not that its a good weapon lol

[placid fiber]

I made the autopistol work before the buff, so yeah lol

[misty mason]

Yeah I used to be a huge agri IAG enjoyer

Then I got suuuuper reluctantly revolver pilled

I was mostly reluctant cause I'd seen so many revolver shitters lol

[slow stag]

what are the OP havoc weapons ?

[tame sluice]

For Zealot?

[misty mason]

DS4 for melee

[slow stag]

sure lol

[tame sluice]

Relic Blade, and Crusher if you want to use a unique one

[slow stag]

i always enjoy reading what people say and trying ot learn

[tame sluice]

I know jack shit about the Eviscerator so I can't say for certain about that one

[slow stag]

oooh excellent i love the relic blade

[tame sluice]

Dueling Sword is popular but kinda falls behind the unique ones imo

[misty mason]

Idk about ranged, I think killing potential becomes less important, so prob brauto for suppression?

[tame sluice]

At least if you don't mind losing mobility

[misty mason]

I usually still bring revolver

[tame sluice]

Zealot doesn't really kill with their ranged but it can be nice to have flamer if your Psyker dies or is preoccupied (or you don't have one)

Bolter is a nice panic button, Shredder Autopistol has all the utility in the world

Agripinaa Combat Shotgun is very good

[misty mason]

I really should play around with the buffed evisc

Now that im done with RBD penance

[tame sluice]

@north sedge What I mean is the Dueling Sword is a very good universal option, but every class that has it has a unique melee that I would say is better than it

Veteran Power Sword, Zealot Relic Blade, Psyker Force Greatsword

And then the other 2 don't have it so

[misty mason]

DS4 is pretty universally considered the strongest melee in the game

esp for zealot

[tame sluice]

I really don't see the argument for it being better than Relic

[misty mason]

I dont think the greatswords have changed that

[tame sluice]

Deimos Force Sword on Psyker is also a weapon I'd point to as being better than DS4

Similar damage, way better stagger, deflector utility

[misty mason]

Man, I find the rashad better than relic, but im probably smooth brained in that regard

Yeah on psyker thats fair

[tame sluice]

DS4 is only really better than these weapons if you need the mobility to survive

[misty mason]

But thats cause DS was a psyker exclusive and was balanced for psyker

[tame sluice]

It wasn't very balanced on Psyker either :/

[misty mason]

Its busted on zealot tho

[tame sluice]

Things being arguably better than DS4 on Psyker is not a sign that ooh the dueling sword was balance for psyker

[misty mason]

Oh yeah im not saying it was balanced on psyker, im saying it was using psyker as its balance point

[tame sluice]

It's that Psyker has a lot of broken ass shit in the melee department

[misty mason]

if that makes sense

[tame sluice]

That most people never engage with because melee psyker is hard

[north sedge]

You can argue there's weapons that are more interesting to use, but ds4 is fucked up strong

[misty mason]

yeah

[tame sluice]

I can get the same one shots as it with relic blade while still having horde clear

[misty mason]

For zealot at least, I think DS4 is in its own category of good

Like relic and rashad are great

[tame sluice]

I just lose mobility and safety which I don't really need

[misty mason]

S tier

DS4 is beyond S tier

I really should play with relic blade more lol

I played like 3 games and didnt enjoy it

Rashad has rotted my brain

[tame sluice]

https://fximgur.com/a/eFIaCHa relic blade all over them

[hushed knoll]

Why are you not in bedge

[spice wren]

Ugh man rampaging enemies fucking sucks

When the game is like oops all maulers and crushers

Not rampaging enemies I mean final toll

[misty nova]

May I suggest the humble devil's Claw

[spice wren]

For what purpose

[ripe quest]

swag

[hushed knoll]

😠

[hushed knoll]

EXHILLIOUS HI 😍

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/va-proxy-nuke-parry-nuke-parry-gif-5175806282231122199

[placid fiber]

STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM! YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!!!

[spice wren]

I wish it was possible to parry 10 crushers

[misty nova]

I mean

You can parry overheads

[spice wren]

They're all final tolled

So they're just spamming overheads

[placid fiber]

The merc parrying lava/fall damage in rorr:

[misty nova]

Yeah so they can't be stunned out of it

Simply parry

Guaranteed parry

No nosy teammate knocking down

Or making them flinch

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-gif-21994457

[spice wren]

Real bro

my RNG in this game is so comically bad

First run on my havoc 30, probably one of THE most confined spaces in the entire game

Karnak twins with nowhere to dodge mines

[placid fiber]

Sounds about right

[void bison]

I need to start trying ninja creami flavors

[spice wren]

I need to start going back to Arbite

so I can be immune to gas mines

[void bison]

arbies

[spice wren]

I literally ALWAYS get karnak twins in straight up the tiniest most confined sections of the entire mission

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/bogiesmalls-gif-860452889982698652

[misty mason]

Good question. Im sleeby

[misty nova]

You're immune if you don't let them explode in your face

[slow stag]

why is dueling sword so good on zealot like u run it and flamer ?

[tame sluice]

zealot gets a lot of natural synergy with high finesse melee weapons

like the dueling sword

[misty nova]

It has suboptimal horde clearing
So flamer for that

[slow stag]

is the dump on zealot stil cleave dmg mk4

[misty nova]

Now imagine if your melee weapon just said "nah" to anything in the game

[misty nova]

Mobility

Cleave Damage dump affects your unarmored damage

[gaunt roost]

huh

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

GO TO BEDGE

[slow stag]

what blessings and perks for the mk4 now ?

uncanny and precog or something?

then i dunno unyeilding and carpace ?

[hushed knoll]

😠

[placid fiber]

The double whammy lol

[spice wren]

I'm surrounded my trashcans in havoc party finder

I'm juggling both of the bosses and my team of 2 arbites and a veteran are struggling against a random horde..?

[visual stream]

Okay but poxwalker #497 just hit me and this is an emergency

[spice wren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

[stone fern]

https://tenor.com/view/nuggetand-cat-car-cat-meme-cats-gif-13549128190129307854

[spice wren]

Maybe I'm just joated and I'm holding my expectations too high..

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

[opaque island]

I dont want your most meta, or your meme builds, give me your most fun build

[tame sluice]

it's zealot

the meta builds are the fun builds

everything outside of the meta is trashcan tier

[craggy jackal]

The only fun build is the meta build

I sure do love pressing F

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/press-f-pay-respect-coffin-burial-gif-12855021

[scenic drift]

relic blade (my beloved) + anything

[jagged cradle]

agile precog unarmored and elites

[misty nova]

Agile propaganda

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[craggy jackal]

rt

[opaque island]

the best part about arbitrator coming out, is when i join a lobby theres a much higher chance im the only zealot

[chrome wave]

that's what i woulda did

[median steeple]

gentlecreature

[plush estuary]

airdogs

[runic grotto]

Meme and meta builds are the fun builds

So, you would just get either meme or meta

[vocal gazelle]

Petition for weapon:

TAKE NOTES FATSHARK

It would give the enemy normal fire stacks on hit, and be very heavy in its move set

[misty nova]

Crusher if it was peak

[mighty root]

It’s already peak

You HUSH

I will dip you in tar

[plush estuary]

the chorus that crashes your teammates game

[misty nova]

#banished

[plush estuary]

"Curse theee--"

[plush estuary]

@chrome wave

[chrome wave]

FRIENDLY FIRE

[plush estuary]

they died in the time I was gone btw

[chrome wave]

YOU GOT THE RARE FRIENDLY FIRE MODIFIER ON HAVOC!!!!

well either that or the mobs say "no u"

[plush estuary]

@chrome wave

[chrome wave]

he's toonking ook

[spare dome]

make sure he uses that shield special

[chrome wave]

do not the shield special

[earnest eagle]

is there a guide for optimal zealot wpn combos?

[craggy jackal]

Not like path’s vet guide

[plush estuary]

I HATE THIS BUG

EVERY TIME I CLUTCH

bro

tally number like 12

clutch dc

[spare dome]

if you use shield special

[plush estuary]

true

[spare dome]

you can block disconnects

[misty mason]

Only time oggy shield special is useful is when youre in a position where the rest of youre team is gonna do some shooting

Like when you drop into the hack arena on the assassination mission

[misty mason]

Fair

[misty nova]

When the class is so mid you can't reconnect in time

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[spare dome]

man idk i just never hung out with dudes like that

i had one dude hit me with a "her pussy was so fat" line once and i think my disgusted expression + "fucking what, dude?" in a disappointed dad tone crushed him on the spot

[carmine falcon]

Why would you say that to anyone

Freaky people

[spare dome]

just gross

[misty mason]

freaky fish

[plush estuary]

@midnight wharf

[plush estuary]

I dc'ed 4 times

[plush estuary]

@hard nexus

[jagged cradle]

skill issue

[plush estuary]

captain 1 shot 3 of us

zealot had until death

and ogryn was out of range of it

that would've been a wipe from a bug

One of the worst bugs that I've had

and this has been in the game for months

[hard nexus]

holy abysmal

peak,,,

[hard nexus]

that zealot had the health back on hit

and look how much health they regained

its a quarter a damage

health damage

@plush estuary

[misty nova]

Through golden toughness is crazy

[hard nexus]

ok it might just be damage

kk

[misty mason]

they gave him the lore accurate plasma gun instead of the video game plasma gun

[hard nexus]

health damage taken

so i guess that applies to overflow damage?

go back to ur video later, and see how much he healed

[jagged cradle]

oh how nice

[hard nexus]

we can calculate it and see

[acoustic dune]

Chat

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-mouse-sunset-sea-capcut-gif-3000393422371087572

Skaven

[tame sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/mbappe-slap-gif-6800881508204043146

[misty mason]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-yuck-eww-gross-gif-14788039

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/東方抽菸-gif-27406514

How seldritch horror sweating raw chicken nosw

Swmh

[misty mason]

stanlanguage

[acoustic dune]

Sorry my Brian was melting

From the stan radiation

[misty mason]

Its OK will almi takes

[acoustic dune]

Tru

[misty mason]

based

Stans favourite anime
Naruto shit food thing

[cold aspen]

which combat shotgun mark is better for BP chorus zealot?

[runic grotto]

I am a big fan of kantrael

The fire one

[cold aspen]

is that one good for killing specials?

oh, thats dbl barrel right?

[runic grotto]

Agrpinaa is better

[misty mason]

Did they buff the combat shotguns too?

[runic grotto]

yes

All of them are good

[spare dome]

Kantrael is Accatran now

[cold aspen]

https://i.imgur.com/fTN8PTf.png

is this..? correct?

[runic grotto]

It's kantrael forever

[runic grotto]

no

Get fullbore no respite

[cold aspen]

i thought i stuck full bore on it

pffft

thanks much

perks are correct?

[runic grotto]

yes

[scenic folio]

What does sainted mean

[north sedge]

Just a mod to make it seem cooler

[hexed igloo]

"Bro you're scaring the hoes"

It's me, I'm hoes

[ripe quest]

There's a mod that makes your weapons red if it satisfies certain conditions, namely max power with a perfect dump stat.

[acoustic dune]

Chat

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-happy-wednesday-happy-wednesday-gif-15994586294395301654

[mighty root]

What’s up with the severs rn

I swear I’ve been on a losing streak because of the most ridiculous dc’s and strange enemy behavior

I failed 2 clutches in a auric male

One i got disconnected

The other I had a crusher overhead me without an animation

And dogs aren’t being pushed

[hard nexus]

sigh the patriarchy strikes again

[mighty root]

I push the pooch

And it’s still pounces

I’m talking about spamming it

[mighty root]

How do we stop it!

[hard nexus]

elevate women

put them all in elevators

[mighty root]

Women scare me

[hard nexus]

escalators will also work if an elevator is not available

[hard nexus]

well you just gotta die i guess idk what 2 tell u

[mighty root]

I accept my fate

[wicked violet]

Im having a tough time finding a good look for zealots. What do your guys' zealots look like?

[runic grotto]

no idea

I just know I'm using the big book and that armor with candles you get for the penance

[acoustic dune]

chat

i pissed a jar

what do

[runic grotto]

Throw it at someone

[acoustic dune]

what if i threw at you

[acoustic dune]

me when i get you

[heady rapids]

@acoustic dune

the

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-bite-cute-espresso-gif-14588716366056110804

[heady rapids]

it arrived

the csword

[acoustic dune]

show me

[heady rapids]

I need to pick it up first

[acoustic dune]

levetate it

[heady rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1199550236989849622/1286165867889033217/bounce.gif

[night fractal]

Hey guys, need some help with zeal ach named flesh wound, can som1 help me with this? appreciate ya

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hey-hello-hola-salut-gif-16224281487962053222

[jagged cradle]

hahaha you’re so funny as always

[drowsy steppe]

encountered the biohazard in the wild @delicate shadow

hes tweaking over Zola btw

[copper hawk]

Who's contrazoid

What's the lore

[acoustic dune]

Blud prob want to be step on by zola

Frankly I perfer hadron

[spare talon]

Overkill damage is an indication of a bad player, that damage should have gone to another enemy

[runic grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1396876998097502361/1397499677946941451/RDT_20250723_104421.mp4?ex=6881f27f&is=6880a0ff&hm=12e8216313560a4b167f3ea7b882d84a65a3301ffb6cbe6502384320ee0c2de6&

[copper hawk]

Oh

That's a very weird statement

Lmfak

Lmfao*

I honestly where this shit comes from

Like who said it first and something like this proliferates

Or if this was just some Tzeentchian knowledge beamed into this user's head

[spare talon]

Remember when fire got changed

And it stopped being an instant toughness strip

[copper hawk]

Yah

[spare talon]

And just scaled up in dmg the longer you stood in it

[copper hawk]

U could troll ppl reviving them in it

Yeeeees ,,

[spare talon]

But when they shipped it fire was just so deadly cuz it killed you from full in 1 sec

Contra died on the hill that fire was fine then, just walk out of it

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

That tracks

Mby ppl feel like important if they pretend to have knowledge

Like if ur wrong ur wrong u dont need 2 die on that hill

Just say woops teehee like i do

Pawblem solved

Got root ?

I have a friend named contrazoid in another server

The pizza tower legacy server

[copper hawk]

I doubt theyre the same person

[runic grotto]

I pretend like I know stuff

But I would go tehee oopsie mb if I get something wrong

[spare talon]

Its always possible to check
You can search for messages sent from discord ids

[runic grotto]

check

[jagged cradle]

omg like pirate software

[spiral anvil]

Who's that? Do they work at blizzard?

[copper hawk]

My fav nepo baby..

His collapse of character has been fantastic to watch

I remember thinking he was cool

Narcissistic implosion

He did NOT have root.

[eternal apex]

Chat, which weapon would be best for a Perfected Strike + Thrust setup to get chunky cleaves with the Chastise guarranteed crit?

power fantasy aside, is it even optimal?

[copper hawk]

Eviscerator can use pstrike

[spiral anvil]

Is there any weapon with both perfect strike and thrust

[copper hawk]

Shred pstrike or ramp pstrike

W piety

Shred pstrike w IoD while pathing to inexorable judgement is fun

[copper hawk]

U know

Good question ,,

[eternal apex]

The heavy eviscerator does

[copper hawk]

Doesnt have thrust

[spiral anvil]

No thrust

That's chainaxe

[eternal apex]

But chainaxe no perfected 😢

[copper hawk]

Thrustless

[jagged cradle]

i don’t think so the closest thing is probably ironhelm and just use thrust

[copper hawk]

Chaxe is a no go for pstrike im p sure

Needs hter right

And thrust

To hit crusher 1 shot bp

On the xii

[eternal apex]

Sweepy hammer?

[jagged cradle]

yes

[eternal apex]

But doesn't the activation stop halfway on a single rager?

[copper hawk]

Ironhelm doesnt

Explodes on like on the 3rd or 2nd hit target

[eternal apex]

my understanding is that it stops on elites

[eternal apex]

also, heavy sword has both Thrust and Perfected

[sterile basalt]

heavy sword?

[copper hawk]

u'd be missing out on the practical use of killing up to 5 enemies a swing

w hter and dblow

[eternal apex]

but perfected strike essentially quadruples one's cleave on crits, no?

and you can cleave through armor, so stacking Bladed Momentum in a group of crushers stops being an issue

[misty nova]

Ogryn Shovel

[scenic folio]

Ooo

[misty nova]

Ogryn Clubs also have Pstrike Thrust

[eternal apex]

Ogryns don't have a guarranteed crit button like Fury of the Faithful, and they get about 20% crit chance with Massacre fully stacked, so it's not particularly viable to go for P.Strike without a crit chance blessing to go alongside it

[next creek]

do kills from behind with blade of faith count as backstab?

[copper hawk]

@sullen forge @median steeple @acoustic dune new retro slop

[placid fiber]

When is roblox getting a darktide skin?

[hushed knoll]

GO AWAY KAYAK TONY'S COIN

[acoustic dune]

It ain't even retro anymore

Wtf is this

[ripe quest]

XII doesn't need Thrust to hit it iirc, depends on tree buffs though. Mk IV just needs smth like Thrust and SA.

[lost pumice]

With the mk 3 evis, I was told before that the piety/crit build works best with push attack spam? Is that the case since the buff also?

[acoustic dune]

thats wack

implode

[misty nova]

Yeah it got better

You can also push attack + heavy/light loop as well

[lost pumice]

Cool I was hoping that was the case. Cuz the push attack spam was for the cleave wasn't it? And cleave got buffed

[copper hawk]

nah

it'z pawesome

u were pamperz when i started bloxin..

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/look-stare-face-mean-bruh-gif-27645430

@copper hawk

dis you

chat krill cica

[copper hawk]

nop

[acoustic dune]

shrimp him up

[copper hawk]

my og account is still alive

but i do Not Toucheth it

it bearz evil history ,,

[acoustic dune]

chat we gotta find the cica robox server

in one piece

https://tenor.com/view/gold-roger-one-piece-speech-my-treasure-treasure-gif-21493628

[ripe quest]

Evis isn't really a crit weapon outside of Mk XV's single target (just good breakpoints), it just has +cleave and shred. You have a couple options, if you have shred or BP up you'll have IoD and Enduring Faith procced. Can use H1 L2 block cancel, PA L2.

[placid fiber]

Wow! I didn't know there were 29 months in cica's year!

[lost pumice]

Someone on here shared a build with me a while back that I enjoy, and it was shred/perfect strike with the mk 3 in a piety build. Idk if with the recent changes if that was still good to use or not.

[ripe quest]

It'll be a bit better, esp on the lights. May want to try it out with the Mk XV, the last set of changes weren't uniform and made the lights really strong in comparison to the Mk III's H1, which was its original selling point.

[placid fiber]

I'd ask Meow about that since she is the resident mk3 eviscerator god

[lost pumice]

Yeah that's who showed it to me. I forgot her exact name. I knew it was something cat related

[lost pumice]

I might try it out later. See what's up which one works better

[copper hawk]

meow still uses the old build

but the cleave issues have been fairly mitigated since the recent update

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/newchallengerapproaching-gif-5221376

I swear my cat is part rattlesnake cause she twitches the very edge of her tail which looks like the rattle of a rattlesnake almost >.>

[heady rapids]

to add insult to injury you can also check their crit profiles

they get like

upwards to 50-100 more dmg

so you're not getting any value out of crits

actual troll class

[cold aspen]

anybody have a good recommended curio setup for martyrdom?

mostly regarding the perks

[violet hornet]

Toughness, gunner resist, and stam Regen are my favorites rn

Having three gunner resists gives diminishing returns so replacing the third with a sniper resistance one works well too

Alternatively you can do health perks instead of stam regen

[misty nova]

1 sniper res

[cold aspen]

perfect. thanks all

also wtf did i just read

[north sedge]

@hushed knoll 's derangement

[misty nova]

Wait
I think you can disregard the 1 sniper res

[misty nova]

You won't be sitting at high enough health to use it

[violet hornet]

Hmm that's a good point actually

Shrimply never get snipered

[misty nova]

Hmmmm

Snipers will deal 10 times damage to toughness

Maybe even martyrdoms tdr can't take it

[violet hornet]

Don't they do their full damage to hp again after breaking toughness or something too

[misty nova]

Yes
Full spillover

[violet hornet]

Yup that's terrifying lol

[misty nova]

Iirc 122.5 damage per shot

With multiplier against toughness of 10

[violet hornet]

Now I just need 1500 gold toughness to block it with lmao

Or arby shield and three stamina I suppose

[acoustic dune]

ey jawa

[violet hornet]

Yooo what up knify

[misty nova]

Bro just dodge lol

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/gort-capybara-waving-wave-waving-hand-gif-4552387419615603702

[violet hornet]

Probably the highest priority thing to dodge right after trapper nets, crusher overhead, and plogryn punting you off the map

[misty nova]

With 3 sniper res you only need

~620 toughness

💀

[ripe quest]

Each curio gives 1.25x effective health against that respective damage source. You actually gain more effective health per curio perk taken, rather than seeing losses to gains.

[violet hornet]

Fascinating, that does make sense presented that way

And here I'm just running three gunner resist because I couldn't be assed to change it

[violet hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-guinea-pig-shaving-shaved-razor-gif-5945499672322474117

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/commence-the-mass-stoning-gif-5759304547419891834

[ripe quest]

3x sniper curios, Enduring Faith, Good Balance, and Stalwart should hit it at 177 toughness. 144 w/ Martyrdom instead of BP.

[copper hawk]

dude there's a guy having a genuine psychotic episode in this tf2 lobby

he thinks he's unabashedly god and keeps talking about how u should be enjoying ur time w god

but he's also him he has god talking to him

and how it was him and only him (he has email proof) that solved the bot crisis

admitted to flooding gaben w emails and said gabe hired ppl to stalk him irl and online and 2 get him fired from work

glad i clipped this

insane

[violet hornet]

Holy shit lol

[copper hawk]

u wanna see the clips?

[violet hornet]

TF2 cryptid status for sure

[ripe quest]

Kinda feel bad, dude is either trolling (peak) or needs to be seen by a professional.

[copper hawk]

he definitely needs professional attention

i thought it was ragebait but... man

[placid fiber]

Just open a bulwark shield in 1 shot

[copper hawk]

ill post them here then delete them after a bit

unfortunately i didn't get the gaben rant clipped

[placid fiber]

Crank it till you win

[violet hornet]

Uhhh if you're God why not just regrow your missing teeth, duh

That dude sounds like he's a half ounce deep in a bag of shrooms

[violet hornet]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Christs_of_Ypsilanti

Only need two more to do something like this

[vagrant blade]

this my best time yet, can you do it even faster with knife ? https://streamable.com/pmjch6

[void bison]

[misty nova]

Not sure you can

Although it has ridiculous finesse scaling

[scenic drift]

I don't actually want ds nerf, I want everything to be buffed to to max slaughtering capability.

[violet hornet]

If ds had an interesting moveset it probably wouldn't feel so ass

[scenic drift]

I hate 'interesting movesets'

ideal weapon for me is horde clear/single clear on lights/heavies, no streetfighter combos please.

[misty nova]

DT gameplay when that happens

🛌

[median steeple]

peak

[misty nova]

Wow it's cleaver heavy spam all over again

[scenic drift]

Eh, just add a option to buff director, with like spawn sliders and shit, for the 0.1% sweats.

"true solo 500% all sliders world first!"

[quick mountain]

havoc was supposed to be the sweat mode but the buff everything gang's taking that away from the sweats too

cant wait for havoc 69 where your pc just fucking explodes

[scenic drift]

I think creating content that a large number of casual players will never try is not a good business strategy.

[quick mountain]

game sound engine can barely keep up with some numbers as is which causes the whole silent specials thing

[scenic drift]

integrate spidey senses into baseline

well, tbh, console players would benefit

[quick mountain]

i mean, balancing the game is a smaller lift than having to keep making content harder and harder

[scenic drift]

spidey senses and healthbars as toggleable options

[quick mountain]

havoc was already supposed to be the content that casual players won't try

they could've just left that as is, done some balancing specific to that mode

then keep making fun events for actual mission board

[scenic drift]

but then the sweats and content creators would cry

[quick mountain]

i actually really like that one youtubers' solution of deadass just giving havoc different balancing

[scenic drift]

which is why I think sliders would solve that issue, casuals could do "havoc" and sweats could do havoc 500%

[quick mountain]

no like thats the thing that weirds me out

[misty nova]

Real

[quick mountain]

why did we get to a point where havoc also gotta be casual

like it's literally supposed to be the challenge mode

[scenic drift]

I think this.

[cobalt valve]

I actually use the Mk X or whatever it is. Light into second heavy I use for whenever I know there's stuff with flak or maniac in there but I can't see through the 1k poxwalkers

[quick mountain]

i mean it's already been made

they can deadass just keep havoc as what it's always been meant to be

then focus on making the non-havoc content funner and appeal a bit more to that power fantasy shit

they could take a page from vt2 where cata almost feels like its own environment

i was gonna say theres probably a lot of entitlement around getting to do havoc because the mfs added rewards to it

but then i remembered you don't even need to do the high havocs to get the rewards

idk shit's just extremely weird to me

[scenic drift]

there's penances

idk if you need 'em for those 100% trophies on consoles

[quick mountain]

yeah im starting to wonder if they just shouldnt have attached any of those to havoc itself and make it a "for the love of the game" type thing

like sure, not everyone will try it

but it's there for the people who've run out of shit to do

always nice

like i didnt think i'd be trying havoc either when i started and now i mostly do that and auric maels

[violet hornet]

There's only mk2, Mk4, and mk5 for ds

[real sonnet]

Even VT2's rapier has a more interesting movement lol

[quick mountain]

solution: give ds a gun

[real sonnet]

PA Light Light BC Light Light

And repeat

If DS4 required this for horde it would be a lot more fun xddd

[scenic drift]

Executioner sword main here.

I like big weapons and I cannot lie.

[real sonnet]

Big weapons can have combos too

[scenic drift]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[real sonnet]

Relic blade here forces you to BC or start doing heavies after 2 lights if you want to keep horizontal strikes

👀

[scenic drift]

True, it would be better if I didn't have to do that.

[quick mountain]

im still confused by mkx relic blade tbh, ive heard both "just light spam" and "do the heavy loop" floated when talking about horde clear

[scenic drift]

you can light spam, but heavy does more damage

[violet hornet]

In fairly sure both relic blades have a horde clear horizontal (ish) loop that can be done without bc

[quick mountain]

if i want to relic blade level cleave but i also wanna turn my brain off i go heavy swords lmao

it's not quite light spam

but light -> heavy is pretty brain off

[scenic drift]

mk3 is too highbrow for me, mk10 is properly easy

[violet hornet]

Mk10's is l2 h3 loop

[vast basin]

The reason you light spam with the mkx relic is to keep scourge up

[quick mountain]

should i just keep light spamming for scourge uptime then? only doing heavy loops for mixed horde?

[vast basin]

That's what I do 🤷‍♂️

[quick mountain]

fair

i'm still trying to make the mk2 work though lol

the uppercut is too fun

[vast basin]

If you have better insights cica I'm willing to change my mind

[copper hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156134212982808588/1397601201423388813/Fulfillingsensedlinear_aca1be_12623439.mp4?ex=6882510c&is=6880ff8c&hm=5666b7025b3206c9e5d26b2b83278bf94db5576e559d5466380386d283023665&

[median steeple]

yummm

[vast basin]

Damn didn't know you were a fent fiend cica

[ripe quest]

You never want to light spam on the Relic Blades. Activated heavies have juiced damage distributions, Mk X loops them. Can do a mix of heavy/light with L1 [L2 H3] and you can swap the L2 H3 out for H3 H4 whenever if you're needing faster hit rates. Mk II uses PA/H1 [H2 L3] for crowds.

[quick mountain]

thanks, i'm a bit vague on what you mean by faster hit rates though

[stray summit]

both work but the light spam has a stab in there

stab dont clear crowd

stab only kill 1

bad

do heavy

[quick mountain]

another zealot noob question i guess: do yall just fotf off cooldown whenever theres a horde to try and keep atk speed uptime? or do you save one for burst damage purposes?

[violet hornet]

Kinda depends on how reliably you're regenerating your charges. If I'm on a crit build or heavy sword / anything faster it's likely I'm using them as quickly as I can generate them, otherwise I usually keep st least one charge. If I'm using a thammer I try to be conservative with them just so I have as many as possible for the inevitable boss fight

Relic blade I'll use them if it feels like we're not about to get swamped and there's enough enemies for me to cdr my charge back

[tawny harbor]

You never want to light spam on the Relic Blades.
What are you on about? Light spam absolutely destroys hordes with an activated light spam. It's only when you see armored elites that you need to use heavies.

[violet hornet]

I don't think he's saying light spam is unusable or ineffective, just not the most optimal choice

[ripe quest]

1. By light spamming you forgo a consistent hit type in your combo. This isn't that bad in some cases but throwing out a stab or a sweep when trying to do crowd/single target isn't efficient.
2. Relic Blade's overheat bar fills per swing. You have a limited number of actions before overheating, spending them on just lights loses value.

Every single attack on RB is overtuned so you're not going to suddenly do poor damage if you light spam, just it isn't advised as there are better combo options available usually.

[tawny harbor]

Alright, but that's already backpedaling from the "you NEVER want to light spam on the relic blade" statement. Light spam is very useful when it's just a horde of poxies you're fighting.

[plush estuary]

Sprint stab only relic blade

I still can't believe that it can nearly 1 tap a havoc 40 captain

[ripe quest]

Like if you need to immediately hit something it's very slightly faster to use the L2 than it is to chain into the H4 when at H3. The difference isn't major and the H4 hits harder though, something to keep in mind.

[ripe quest]

"You never want to light spam" is referring to the fact that there isn't a case where you'd want to light spam over just using the combos the weapon has. Hope that helps.

[deep spoke]

does bolt pistol explosive range blessings affect zealot grenade?

[tawny harbor]

No. The Zealot grenades aren't "explosives" in the Fatshark sense.

[plush estuary]

I think stun nades

But probably not

[ripe quest]

It uses the global "explosion_radius_modifier" value, so it applies to anything that explodes if you have the blessing.

[deep spoke]

ppl said its affect vet grenades so i assume its also affected zealot nades

[tawny harbor]

I'll agree to disagree. I'm not particularly interested in theorycrafting. All my takes are purely vibe based.

[ripe quest]

Stuns are included, I don't believe immos are though.

[plush estuary]

Zealot gets like 3 explosions?

Stun nades, crusher special, and relic blade blessing

Trying to think of others

Wait

Showstopper on flamer?

I forgot that thing existed

Maybe 4 then

[wary lagoon]

Vigilant autoguns worth using on a zealot? What mark and blessings?

[plush estuary]

Fun sniping tools for specials and gunners

Maniac damage is really low

On zealot I think it might be 2 shots on trapper and flamers

But can be made up by using throwing knife

[hard nexus]

it can??

[plush estuary]

khan has a clip

gotta find it

@chrome wave

the khan clip on dreyko staircase where he 1 shot that captain

you remember it?

[delicate shadow]

GAH

ofc he's a redditor with redditor opinions

[earnest eagle]

Hey what are the horde/single target combos for the Thunder Hammers?

[chrome wave]

yes but khan got banned off twitch

[plush estuary]

Lmao

[chrome wave]

horde? heavy spam and pray

[quick mountain]

ah, for some reason i misread the original message as using the two heavies for faster hit rates! morning brain lol

how does predominantly using heavies affect scourge? is it still worth taking that node?

[chrome wave]

single? light spam or special then heavy

[earnest eagle]

For both or just Iron?

[chrome wave]

oh

that's for crucis

for the ironhelm i recommend a therapist

[earnest eagle]

😞

I got a 500 hammer with perfect dump stats, but its ironhelm and my mastery is at 0 rn lol

[vast basin]

Good thing you can change between marks for free then

Oh wait mastery 0

Lul

[earnest eagle]

Imma be in therapy for a sec i guess

[quick mountain]

time to farm up some money to buy thammers and feed them to hadron

[mighty root]

I am ill

[stray summit]

or just play thammer for a Lil bit

[earnest eagle]

Eh i do some malice and damn runs to beef it up to lvl 7

I tried auric and got my teeth knocked out

[quick mountain]

fair

i just am impatient now and wanna bring weapons immediately to auric/havoc

[lament ruin]

iron helms not bad, just lower damage

[north sedge]

Overkill is wasted dps after all

[lament ruin]

in exchange for some ease of use

[earnest eagle]

Im broke af constantly lolll

Second i got ordo dockets im spending them

[delicate shadow]

truly the most bizarre stat to worry about

if the scoreboard mod didn't track it he'd have had no idea

[north sedge]

It was truly the dumbest argument

[delicate shadow]

mhm

[mighty root]

The only stat that matters is damage taken and attacks blocked

I’m not gonna worry about damage when I got 3 dogs running around

[quick mountain]

are the dogs straight up why arbites keep topping damage charts

well i guess the dogs and mk3 shotty

[north sedge]

Many reasons

[delicate shadow]

there's a few reasons yeah

it's a mix of having too many damage steroids in the tree (you're rocking more melee damage% bonuses than a marty zealot)

the dog being a passive way to get extra damage and also acts as a safety net a lot of the time

Arby toughness gen is insane and so you're practically immortal

[mighty root]

Topping damage is nice but in all honesty I can stop damage by sitting at a spawn door

[delicate shadow]

class is simply too juiced on the numbers

[quick mountain]

damn

and people are downplaying it like crazy still?

welcome back t7 leroy smith

[delicate shadow]

like most talents are conceptually fine (concussive, malocator and a couple others likely need reworking)

[mighty root]

Real he has like 5 15+ damage nodes

[delicate shadow]

the problem is the numbers are too high

[quick mountain]

i mean i'm thankful the bug's gone because i at least stil lfeel like i can play the game

but it is weird to see them reaching psyker levels of damage while not having to deal with being made of glass bones and paper skin

[copper hawk]

HATE u

[mighty root]

The most slop thing I’ve ever seen

Too much modern influence

[copper hawk]

Downvote

[mighty root]

[quick mountain]

like

[mighty root]

Look at the hair

The face

And tell me if it’s retro

[copper hawk]

The face is pawesome

All retro too boring

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sandy-cheeks-no-you-aint-no-nope-gif-16522051

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-monkey-mad-angry-gif-15404825

[copper hawk]

All retro too BORING !

[mighty root]

Abhorrent

[copper hawk]

U were still in pamperz during the great tix removal..

[mighty root]

Then it’s not retro it’s an fetishized idea

Turn the wheel

[copper hawk]

U never even played vampire kingdom..

Or battleships..

[tame sluice]

this root?

[mighty root]

U r killing retro

[copper hawk]

I was retro..

[mighty root]

Let’s take a look at that join date

[copper hawk]

Dont telleth me of the retro i was there when guests still looked like walkin advertisementz..

I made a new account n00b

My old account has too much baggage

I have a blue eye roll on that account ,,

Probably worth a small fortune now

[mighty root]

Sure bubby now let’s get you into a slop game that will fall off in like a week

Like forsaken

[copper hawk]

20k robux

[mighty root]

[copper hawk]

Damn

That's 250 smackaroos

We play phighting in these hallz ,,

And blood debt ,,

And die of death ,,

[misty nova]

Hehe silly

No such thing as overkill

[hushed knoll]

Bubby?

[mighty root]

Bubby

[copper hawk]

U just got called out 4 a typo by stan

It ovar 4 u..

[hushed knoll]

You can’t call me bubby

[hushed knoll]

Cica why are you taking his side

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/bubby-gif-12934308

[copper hawk]

My various gizmoz and trinketz i will utilize 2 firebomb ur house

Fuc u

[mighty root]

Sorry I’m straight

[copper hawk]

Yupkup clip

They unfunnied the yupkup clip

[misty nova]

Doing it wrong

Alcohol first

Then beating

[mighty root]

Look at my chud daughter

[copper hawk]

Retroslop

[mighty root]

[hushed knoll]

[mighty root]

I have a nice pit of tar for you cica

[copper hawk]

Look at me launching my baka chungus chud son

[hushed knoll]

SHES SO CUTE

[sturdy cypress]

How much protein?

[mighty root]

20 grams

[sturdy cypress]

Consume

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-redes-sociales-fake-news-bulo-bulos-gif-19813926

Ignore whatever the caption is

[heady rapids]

imma also go ahead and ignore that emote's name

[hushed knoll]

[mighty root]

Oops

[hushed knoll]

Why is the internet eating your colleagues

[mighty root]

I forgot it said that

[hushed knoll]

@mighty root please answer

[sturdy cypress]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155911577892032602/1242698177497403462/ezgif-5-3ee8fd7dfd.gif

[ripe quest]

Scourge is stackable with just using heavies on the Mk X, you don't need much attack speed to do that. Probably should take it still on crit builds just to exploit the finesse a bit more.

[sullen forge]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/kKANDiVJl_3JbAaKa?invite=cr-MSxRbE8sMTA3NDAxNTcz

@copper hawk

The fucking slow pan turn cooks me

[sturdy flare]

Hey guys, what blessings should I put on my Combat Blade ? Right now I've got Precog + Uncanny Strike.

[mighty root]

That’s what you want on it

Perks are flak unyielding

[plush estuary]

the best DT team

5 man DT

[hushed knoll]

@sharp urchin @hollow bison well done fillet mignon

[violet hornet]

Looks like you're washing a rock clean in a pan

[misty nova]

Lmao

[hushed knoll]

Then it’s a tasty rock

[hushed knoll]

What game is this

[plush estuary]

CS

[sharp urchin]

i would HYUCK that up.

drown it in A1 and bring it to me like its a boat on an A1 sea.

[hushed knoll]

Is that a good thing

[hushed knoll]

[mighty root]

Good stakes don’t need sauce

[sharp urchin]

not if you wanted that steak for yourself

[mighty root]

If that says anything

[sharp urchin]

you are entitled to your wrong opinion

[mighty root]

Really good stakes are medium

[sharp urchin]

one of us certainly isnt getting parasites is all im saying

[mighty root]

Me when I know nothing

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-monkey-mad-angry-gif-15404825

[sharp urchin]

no brain worms here i am this stupid alllll on my own.

[mighty root]

@ grok what internal temp does parasites die at

[sharp urchin]

[sharp urchin]

thanks i havent vomited recently.

[hushed knoll]

That is certainly an opinion

[sharp urchin]

preciate that.

[hushed knoll]

[sharp urchin]

look youre the one over here sharing tasty food photos, we are both surprised okay?

[oak lotus]

is there a difference between a 260 power +1 wounds and a 420 power +1 wounds?

[plush estuary]

no

[sharp urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/vomit-puke-throw-up-gag-barf-gif-11199247647189633146

[north sedge]

No

[oak lotus]

sick thanks

[plush estuary]

wound curio dont change

fucking ww3 @obsidian ore

[mighty root]

Vet chat stake

[hushed knoll]

Stake?

[hushed knoll]

I HATE THIS GIF

[sullen forge]

5 billion frag grenades

[sharp urchin]

i remembered

[plush estuary]

4 peaking a long gale

[oak lotus]

lads, stalwart or fury rising for piety build

[mighty root]

What are you using and what are you going into

[oak lotus]

im cooking

gonna go w/ the book(?)

[mighty root]

What weapon what mode

[oak lotus]

the buffing middle path thing

[mighty root]

Naw son

Here

[tame sluice]

immediate mistake

[oak lotus]

Ive been using heavy eviscerator and thammer, gonna go for the third most absolutely common choice and roll w/ relic

[oak lotus]

nah im tired of the dashing

also penance

[mighty root]

Yeah tbh book isn’t good but if you’re using book here

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dab97d4-e787-41b6-a116-d802b6166d19/medic-3

[oak lotus]

I had an idea

piety to refresh the book faster

cooking or cooked

[mighty root]

Choose between either really

[mighty root]

Look at what I sent

[oak lotus]

yep I just saw it

same thing except immolation grenade bcz again, penance

tho they used stalwart

[tame sluice]

book is best when used as infrequently as possible

[oak lotus]

?

[tame sluice]

it's a panic button not something you need or want to use on cooldown

[mighty root]

Fury rising helps a ton with uptime, stalwart is a ton of survivability

[oak lotus]

huh aight

[tame sluice]

in situations that are just normal problems using book will make the problem worse because you aren't doing damage

[misty nova]

Stalwart

[tame sluice]

so while you could have helped clean up threats you're sitting there with book active

doing nothing

for 5 seconds

so more problems arise

and now that situation has gone from bad to worse

If the situation is already worse yeah use book

Helps the other 3 not die, and gives them an easy way out of potentially immediate death

[oak lotus]

understood

[violet hornet]

There's nothing inherently wrong with book, that guy is just a ridiculous hater

[tame sluice]

There is something inherently wrong with book

[violet hornet]

It's not optimal but you're not throwing as this guy will insist

[tame sluice]

And that's the 5 seconds you spend doing fuck all every time you press it

[oak lotus]

tbh even if smth is bad idc

I bought the game, Im experiencing the whole game

[violet hornet]

It can be fun, and for most people they're playing games to have fun

[tame sluice]

Standing around doing nothing for 5 seconds is fun?

[violet hornet]

#zealot-class message

[oak lotus]

out of all the arguments you couldve picked, thats gotta be the worst one since like, how do you quantify fun lol

[violet hornet]

I have him blocked for talking shit to me after a havoc match

[oak lotus]

Ive had these conversations so many times in the drg discord, never ends properly lol

[scenic drift]

looks good

[violet hornet]

He blamed me for throwing because I had book and "wasn't done enough damage to bosses" (I had much more boss damage than him with a full support build while he was on ogryn)

[oak lotus]

ferb, I know what we're doing today

[tame sluice]

I don't even know who you are and we've supposedly played havoc together?

[oak lotus]

well the tree remembers the axe

[violet hornet]

Some of us are aware of who we play with

[craggy jackal]

We’re gonna* do today

[oak lotus]

been too long since I watched phineas and ferb

[gaunt roost]

true giving your teammates instant full gold toughness and staggering every enemy in the game is doing nothing

[tame sluice]

Yes it is doing nothing because you are in fact not doing anything for that full 5 seconds

VoC staggers everything and gives your team instant gold toughness too

Go use that it's better for what you want out of book

[craggy jackal]

New season out

[final shale]

We're supposed to have fun??

[violet hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-zoot-gif-2874355027002506295

[final shale]

I'm out here getting touched by every trapper and sniper to exist

[craggy jackal]

Sound effects 100% volume

[final shale]

I have that, I also have skill issue at 100% too

[craggy jackal]

Blame teammates

Easy solution

[violet hornet]

Every time you're sniped or netted, restore the balance by barreling the nearest teammate

[final shale]

I'm listening

[craggy jackal]

Also make sure to shoot poxbursters when they sneak up behind your teammates

[final shale]

They do that themselves

[craggy jackal]

It’s not the same if you aren’t the one doing it

[final shale]

Good point

But I already have to revive them like 12 times

[floral grail]

book is just smite with extra steps tbh

[tame sluice]

yeah but people defend it because yellow toughness

and they don't want to play veteran because he's squishy

[floral grail]

yellow toughness shouldnt exist lol

[final shale]

Why not

[floral grail]

bc u should be punished for making bad mistakes?

[final shale]

Nahhh

[floral grail]

like if u take an overhead you should die and not just walk away with 0 toughness

lol

[final shale]

Can't vet tank it without yellow toughness?

[lament ruin]

nope

[floral grail]

you get invlun frames in this game too lol, there's no excuse on somehow getting overheaded in which yo need yellow toughness

at least in vermintide you have to properly space it out

[visual stream]

Tbf it's more maximum gtoughness and it has better uptime than VoC with Piety, along with more staggering

[final shale]

Sometimes you just want a skill issue button man😔

[tame sluice]

Okay but that "better" uptime comes with the caveat of you doing absolutely nothing else every time it's active

Veteran is still killing shit

[visual stream]

I see it as a sidegrade, potentially a slight downgrade if you have teammates who don't know how to use that time

[tame sluice]

Significant downgrade

Even with good players

Or especialy with good players because assumedly you are one of the good players too

[visual stream]

You're still killing things when you're not pausing the fight

[tame sluice]

So you being out for 5 whole seconds is a big deal

[final shale]

I like when I get yellow from my teammates, not like they are getting much damage anyways

[floral grail]

tbh the usefulness of book gets worse the better the team is

[tame sluice]

Veteran gets to pause the fight and kill shit :)

[visual stream]

The tanking is going for longer and more often vs. 6s per specialist

[tame sluice]

I mean shit Arbites gets to pause the fight and kill shit with a grenade they get 2 of

Or 3 +they regen with lone wolf

[visual stream]

Pauses the fight for about one second yeah

With good players as teammates they're maximizing the value of book, not making it worse

[tame sluice]

Good players also maximize the value of VoC

[floral grail]

why would you need book when you could just kill the enemy lol

[tame sluice]

You just don't have to sit there with your thumb up your ass and hope for it

[visual stream]

Yes you personally are not green circle chasing for five seconds, but that time is valuable and you're still killing things

[tame sluice]

Because you can make use out of VoC too

I am not chasing green circles I am doing the bare minimum to contribute to the team

That is

Killing enemies

[visual stream]

It's still sort of green circle mindset though

You're still contributing if it's getting value

[floral grail]

it's just playing the game optimally

like you dont need yellow toughness if the enemy is dead

[tame sluice]

The only time that the 5 seconds of fuck all Chorus forces you to sit through isn't a big deal is if you are being carried

[hushed knoll]

Hello leggy bird

[visual stream]

Hi Stan

[floral grail]

they should've made it warrior priest invuln instead of book so you aren't a glorified cheerleader

[visual stream]

Five seconds vs. the entire rest of the time you're not using the ability

[floral grail]

make it 2 minutes instead

[tame sluice]

Weird how VoC doesn't have to make that distinction

Or any good ability for that matter

[visual stream]

It leans in that direction, but if you're shit you're still going to die and not do damage

Same with VoC

If you use Fury like an ape, you die

[tame sluice]

You don't have to weight how much you hope your team can output with how much you can output

[visual stream]

If you use chorus or VoC like an ape, you die

[tame sluice]

Because good abilities don't force you to rely on your team

[tame sluice]

I can use VoC like an ape all day and because it doesn't stun me and has a short cooldown I'll be just fine

[visual stream]

Good abilities are measured with value, not solo value

It just so happens that 95% of things that are mainly solo value, contribute the most value

[floral grail]

that's kinda the problem
most defensive ults aren't really that good compared to offensive

[visual stream]

I think the community has a great bias against anything that isn't from AND for the self because of it, which is mostly for good reason but it's an overreaction

[tame sluice]

Of what I would consider the "best" abilities in the game currently only 2 of them have primarily solo value

[floral grail]

venting shriek mogs dome but bc most ppl cant learn not to stand infront of shooters it get used a lot more

[tame sluice]

Which is Venting Shriek, and Fury of The Faithful

Ah wait 3

Noodle brain forgot arbites charge

xd

But like

Nuncio-Aquila, Voice of Command, and Ogryn Taunt are all vastly better support abilities than Chorus

And you still get to do things on top

[floral grail]

chorus feels incredibly out of place in this game