because I am rocking this shenaniganry currently to try and be "quirky"
#zealot-class
tame sluice
misty nova
Oh shit
That's me
Oh wait
Crowd control dump
Not me
Swift Certainty is kinda of whatever
You're better off with the backstab cdr
tame sluice
reasonable
gaunt roost
You're better off with the backstab cdr
so you can proc it once a game when the enemy is facing exactly 180.00 degrees away from you
heady frost
btw Crucis or Ironhelm is overall better? Crucis feels smoother tbh
obsidian prairie
placid fiber
so you can proc it once a game when the enemy is facing exactly 180.00 degrees a...
I mean if you really can only proc it once per game that says more about you :3
placid fiber
btw Crucis or Ironhelm is overall better? Crucis feels smoother tbh
crucis hits breakpoints better, ironhelm clears hordes better
tame sluice
oh right it solely relates to that barely functional mechanic that provides almost zero actual in game value
forgor
obsidian prairie
It used to be good because it was a 10% sprint speed node with some extra functionality
Then they nerfed it
gaunt roost
nerfed that but not crystalline will
placid fiber
You're better off with the backstab cdr
Especially since all you need to proc that is to hit the back side of the hitbox with the killing blow
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-cute-frog-baby-frog-froglet-gif-21241012586197...
Hi, Yog! How are you doing?
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/frog-jumping-gif-23922460
Me when I try anything acrobatic or athletic:
normal shell
heady frost
damn... 3 games of thunder hammer and this thing desperately needs a rework/crazy buffs
its so fucking bad π
misty nova
It's specialized boss killing weapon
It won't perform THAT great against anything else
And it was reworked once
north sedge
What's your build and hammer
light badge
ignoring that this build is suboptimal, is it cringe?
(this will not affect whether or not I play with it, just curious :3)
unborn coyote
whats the havoc meta build?
scarlet crag
ignoring that this build is suboptimal, is it cringe?
why do we have a psyker build in the zealot channel
obsidian prairie
whats the havoc meta build?
The same build zealot always uses
unborn coyote
idk it any pics?
obsidian prairie
Guide in pins
light badge
why do we have a psyker build in the zealot channel
wanted some non-psyker opinions
quick mountain
still a little confused on havoc builds - since the piety TDR node is so high value, are there weapons that go from IJ/martyrdom to just running piety on that difficulty even if they're not a crit-leaning weapon?
obsidian prairie
why do we have a psyker build in the zealot channel
This is general 2
Zealot has nothing to talk about so we just talk about everyone else
quick mountain
or do I just run the builds from the guides as-is with the corresponding weapon reocmmendations
scarlet crag
Zealot has nothing to talk about so we just talk about everyone else
Hey a while ago I
uh
hmm
I think a thunderhammer build
I asked for that
misty nova
still a little confused on havoc builds - since the piety TDR node is so high va...
Relic Blade
Crushers
Eviscerator
Knife
Chainsword
Tactical Axe
Devil's Claw
They all can run Piety
Dueling Sword as well
Can't forget dueling sword
And yes I know I'm recommending Chainsword
π
sullen forge
King of mediocrity
misty nova
Nuh uh
sullen forge
tbf zealot is the only one that can make it more enjoyable
misty nova
Hidden op on zealot
Simply CRIT and carry the CRIT damage across all targets hit
4.5 cleave base against 4-4.8 poxxers
π
runic grotto
Chat? What if thammer special dealt micro stagger to all chaff enemies in an aoe so you don't get oblitirated by them while stunned after hitting something.
sullen forge
misty nova
Unless you know what you're doing with the chainsword then it's 4.5 to 8 cleave
runic grotto
Would that fix the weapon?
ripe quest
4.5 cleave base against 4-4.8 poxxers
That's just for the sweep lights, which you try to use as little as possible on both Chainswords.
ripe quest
Starting to realize why the meta formed the way it did 
craggy jackal
idk it any pics?
ripe quest
Also starting to understand why Chaxe is seen as offmeta, and it's due to not really pairing with the crit build which is the build as well as other weapons.
unborn coyote
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1392548732997861497/i...
thx π
north sedge
dough stop typing
royal vortex
lmao
light badge
is block efficiency additive or multiplicative with itself?
ripe quest
still a little confused on havoc builds - since the piety TDR node is so high va...
Not really required to no. You're able to run IJ and especially Martyrdom in havoc. Biggest upside of BP is the ease of generating the proc condition for Enduring Faith/Invocation of Death and boosting the output of Duelist, all being high value talents. Stalwart on BP is just taken since the other branch is 2 points for 10% crit chance.
misty nova
is block efficiency additive or multiplicative with itself?
Multiplicative
light badge
noted
ripe quest
is block efficiency additive or multiplicative with itself?
Multiplicative with itself. Stuff like the curio perks is 0.88x block cost.
light badge
would it be better for +2 stam or +20% reduction on a melee, if trying to maximize your chances against tanking a DH?
ripe quest
Depends on the weapon. 20% BCR is effectively +25% stamina for blocking.
light badge
Depends on the weapon. 20% BCR is effectively +25% stamina for blocking.
FGS, in my case
with deflector as a consideration
misty nova
runic grotto
Are there any other secondary weapons good at killing bosses other than bolter?
misty nova
I think it still scales better with Stamina
ripe quest
If you have 8 stamina, 20% BCR and +2 stamina are the same. With less stamina, +2 stamina is better. With more stamina, 20% BCR is better.
runic grotto
https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-cowboy-shooting-gun-gif-15317612
Agripinaa?
Is it really that good?
north sedge
In a very specific situation with a very specific build in a very specific area (psykanium)
misty nova
Is it really that good?
It just has high unyielding damage that you can quickly shoot
misty nova
Another option would be a Raking Fire Vraks5
ripe quest
I think it still scales better with Stamina
If you take BCR on curios and on the weapon (god forbid) it'd scale better than stamina assuming you have 3 or more stamina.
tbf though idk the stamina stats on the FGS (Psyker isn't Unchained and therefore isn't up my alley)
misty nova
Yeah I don't remember as well
And not going to look for it
But psyker base stamina is 1 anyways
So I'm just going to heavy as Ogryn
runic grotto
psyker also has 0 stamina regen delay and kinetic deflection
spare dome
tbf though idk the stamina stats on the FGS (Psyker isn't Unchained and therefor...
its like +4 stamina
to our base of 1
ripe quest
Depends on total BCR then yeah.
tame sluice
https://imgur.com/a/eFIaCHa okay I was wrong mk 2 relic blade kinda fucks
zealot has acquired their second melee weapon that I find fun to use with me going back to play them again
or first melee weapon sicne arbites has the crusher now
ripe quest
Relic Blade combos and weapon feel were absolutely sauced up. Really hope some weapons get that level of quality put onto them.
spare dome
no better feeling than poking a trapper's head off with your electric XXL toothpick
quick mountain
zealot has acquired their second melee weapon that I find fun to use with me goi...
mood
i didnt like the mkx
giving mk2 anotehr chance rn and it fucks
aiming the uppercut (alongside with crusher uppercut) takes getting used to tho
violet hill
is there a "best" weapon to use for the kill 1000 scab with ranged weekly or should i just reroll it?
ripe quest
Could just run a Brauto and w+m1 scab enemies for a bit.
iirc weeklies count your entire team's contribution as well, so as long as you as a team are killing scab enemies with ranged you'll get credit towards the weekly.
obsidian prairie
is there a "best" weapon to use for the kill 1000 scab with ranged weekly or sho...
Flamer
Or just not paying attention to it and getting it done anyway
violet hill
i thought weekly counted team progress but i got 75 total in a damnation with all 3 others running heavy on range
north sedge
it does
violet hill
i must have been the only one using range on the scabs then that's wild
misty nova
or first melee weapon sicne arbites has the crusher now
Worst dodges in the game
Too bad trauma doesn't buff the "considered staggered" window
opaque island
I quickplay damnation, what is the creepypasta bullshit ive been put into
something is OFF
misty nova
Lights Out
frozen hawk
something is OFF
correct! the power
tame sluice
vent purge is also a "can't see shit" modifier that sucks
misty nova
opaque island
why only 3 people
tame sluice
but the sniper swarms is a better novelty
misty nova
Vent purge is the worst one
opaque island
it corrected itself to 4 players, but that was weird
tame sluice
sniper swarms are more fun than daemonhost spam
misty nova
Ugh I hate vent purge
tame sluice
any modifier that makes it so you acn't see shit is instantly bad
pox gas is by far the worst one
lights out is 2nd worst, then vent purge
ripe quest
hunting grounds is the worst one as it's a complete hit of dopamine if you can kill all of them but my team is greedly like me and steals my kills
tame sluice
all taking up the bottom 3 modifiers in the entire game
spare dome
hunting grounds is the worst one as it's a complete hit of dopamine if you can k...
its my favourite because i just climb up on some boxes and watch my team flounder. its like kindergarten swim day at the pool except i don't have any legal duty to save them this time.
ripe quest
Did havoc week roll over?
ah mb forgot to hit the button
rugged rock
are the captains that spawn during havoc missions Admonition Champions or Scab Captains?
rugged rock
so if I wanted to make a thunderhammer centered around taking out captains and monstrosities, it should have +Flak and +Unyield no?
neither of those have carapace heads
misty nova
rugged rock
sick, thanks!
north sedge
The twins have cara heads
frozen hawk
how do i play this class /hj
frozen hawk
radical
gilded light
craggy jackal
the ?????? is procing your 20 damage buffs
acoustic mantle
does stealth work on daemonhosts?
runic grotto
They fixed it
misty nova
spare dome
stealth works but only if you run into the daemonhost when another monster has already spawned this confuses the ai
median steeple
advanced stealth
rugged rock
when will people learn to not kill a million enemies next to a hexbound demonhost before killing the acolytes
it's actually infuriating
runic grotto
I had a pet snail for, like, 9 years
It died about 6 years ago, I still have it's shell next to my desk
rugged rock
what was the snail's name
runic grotto
I got it when I was 6 so I wasn't very original and also I loved sponge bob
So I named it Gary
rugged rock
quick mountain
is mkx relic really just light spam for hordes? do i need to swap to the horizontal heavy loops on mixed hordes/rager packs?
double checking since pinned guide seems outdated
runic grotto
just light spam
quick mountain
even on elite packs?
runic grotto
Yes
craggy jackal
No you want to do the horizontal heavies for optimal horde clear
Itβs just light spam is braindead
runic grotto
If you are doing horizontal heavies might as well take mk2
craggy jackal
You can H L Iβm pretty sure also
runic grotto
just don't
acoustic dune
That was just me the entire day I found out it died
I was not ready to receive some snail lore dump today
I just wanted to post funny slug n snail
misty nova
Get snail'd lol
misty nova
misty nova
languid hollow
whats the current havoc meta for zealot rn?
languid hollow
thank you king
north sedge
do not crit hammer however
obsidian prairie
It works for CDR
violet hill
i like the relic sword even if i suck at it
the hoard clear feels like how heavy evicerator would be if it wasn't target capped on damage
craggy jackal
since arbites patch
rugged rock
is chorus not meta anymore?
violet hill
oh then that makes sense i haven't touched it in a while
south prism
blazing piety or inexorable judgement?
violet hill
that doesn't look like zealot stats to me
south prism
depends on weapon and what you want
relic blade, and what i want right now is cookies? i think? a massage chair would be cool too
north sedge
either works
south prism
i'm thinking momentum since i'm not really going for crits on relic blade
just hard, fast, big, loud, gross, fucked up power
spark pier
any one have a quick build i can use while im getting mystery for the new sword?
violet hill
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1392548732997861497/i...
@spark pier
pick what you like from the yellow and take all the purple
spark pier
pick what you like from the yellow and take all the purple
eh?
south prism
he said pick what you like from the yellow and take all the purple
spark pier
what does that mean?
south prism
violet hill
click the message i replied to when i pinged you it shows the build
copper hawk
<@576701404475949056>
Pawesome !! Good job !!
south prism
ah damn. im trying to use stun nades for the penance
you can use them just to knock out the penance, they're just worse than knives
copper hawk
Carapace for the HS ? Noh
south prism
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
spark pier
thats the plan
copper hawk
U do barely any damage to carapace so it feels like diminishing returns, and it's only two enemies
I feel personally the best benefit
Is flakiac
And dw ur not buggin me
plush estuary
And dw ur not buggin me
median steeple
bug shaped cat
ornate bone
For crusher, which dump stat is the one you all usually do away with? Defence or power output?
median steeple
always defense
ornate bone
Gotcha
violet hill
so since heavy evis isn't target capped did the blessings change from the old ones?
right now i have rampage and momentum
plush estuary
For crusher, which dump stat is the one you all usually do away with? Defence or...
power or defence
languid hollow
if i dont like using the flamer whats the 2nd best gun for havoc?
plush estuary
misty nova
so since heavy evis isn't target capped did the blessings change from the old on...
Shred Perfect Strike became better
And Savage Sweep and Wrath are usable
Bloodletter as well but that's a very niche build
Momentum is kinda whatever
plush estuary
level 40 means he is havoc 40 ready
misty nova
Havoc -500
violet hill
i might go shred/wrath then
plush estuary
rating 300 weapons
misty nova
i might go shred/wrath then
Perfect strike is right there
It's just a better wrath
Oh yeah wrath still dogshit
plush estuary
if i dont like using the flamer whats the 2nd best gun for havoc?
shredder auto, bolter, IAG, las pistol, combat shotgun
copper hawk
https://tenor.com/view/wat-what-huh-confused-kitten-gif-16578675544592554435
Meant 4 rasmirth
He apologized 4 buggin me
I say he not buggy
languid hollow
shredder auto, bolter, IAG, las pistol, combat shotgun
bet thx
copper hawk
Look at this totally awesome meme i def didnt steal
languid hollow
shredder auto, bolter, IAG, las pistol, combat shotgun
which bolter isbest?
plush estuary
opnly 1
ripe quest
For crusher, which dump stat is the one you all usually do away with? Defence or...
Just defense. Power Output handles CC, the rest are damage stats.
ripe quest
so since heavy evis isn't target capped did the blessings change from the old on...
Blessings are basically the same in what you pick. Recommended is still SS/Wrath + Rampage normally, Shred + Perfect Strike/SS/Wrath for builds running Scourge & Blazing Piety.
languid hollow
is the spearhead or bot pistol better now?
misty nova
They are side grades
ornate bone
Better now? Huh?
ripe quest
Both have uses, bolt pistol is generally used to pop specials due to the faster pullout/reload time. Boltgun can be fairly nutty if you hit breakpoints due to the higher mag size and the mag dump.
violet hill
and then what's preferred on perks? crit and flak armor is what mine has right now
ornate bone
Pinning fire
violet hill
and then what's preferred on perks? crit and flak armor is what mine has right n...
for heavy evis there's a lot of different weapons being talked about right now
ripe quest
and then what's preferred on perks? crit and flak armor is what mine has right n...
Generally people run Flak + Unyielding/Elites/Cara. Sometimes Maniac, depends on the setup (usually it's just better to have a diff perk and run a talent that lets you stagger dreg ragers).
I'd recommend popping into the Psykhanium with something like Flak + whatever that isn't damage related and see what breakpoints you miss on your build.
If it looks fine you can just run Unyielding for boss damage.
ornate bone
Cara and unyielding for me with perks
violet hill
mark 15 feels far better than the other one, one shred kills maulers in 1 hit if i don't hit their head
scenic dawn
my friend says that the purgation flamer is regarded as good, but hes super skeptical and is annoyed by it more than anything. Whats his deal?
ripe quest
Infinite cleave (barring certain targets) means it scales absurdly well with density. But it can be fairly easy to be in a lobby that already handles density, so it won't feel as strong. Really depends on what they think the issue is.
violet hill
Infinite cleave (barring certain targets) means it scales absurdly well with den...
what targets can it not cleave?
plush estuary
@lean cairn
sullen forge
Dare I ask what weapons
sullen forge
Holy
violet hill
flamer has infinite cleave (its infinite (It cleaves infinite targets))
i only ask because they say barring certain targets which implied some can't be cleaved
median steeple
Frown
runic grotto
no idea, flamer has just infinite cleave
sullen forge
Were they Rossel
plush estuary
how'd you tell
sullen forge
I simply sensed it
I show you this clip btw? @plush estuary
Was feeling extra petty cause they kept doing that the entire match
sullen forge
Oh yeah notice my missing wound with half corruption
They shot a burster immediately when I attempted to push it
Gale will remember that
violet hill
really big fan of trappers not making the sound of them charging up their net until it's already in the air
spark pier
Relic blade is really fun
misty nova
what targets can it not cleave?
It cleaves all
But
If you hit a certain pixel of bulwark shields
It stops
Why?
I don't know
runic grotto
Oh my fucking god
Why do these ogryns still exist
Take shield and taunt just to run off and fight shotgunner for 5 seconds while everyone else deals with captain and dh from a successful ritual
"I have shield, I don't deal damage, you deal damage, I don't have damage"
"I have shield"
"I can't aggro dh so I'm just going to leave you alone to deal with it"
violet hill
"I have shield, I don't deal damage, you deal damage, I don't have damage"
i mean saying they have no damage is fair when i normally play pick that has a ton of damage, but i'll be damned if i'm not going to tickle those enemies to death with my shield anyways
running off and leaving the team to fend for themselves when you're their shield is just crazy work
runic grotto
He literally said, I have no damage so I run forward and kill elite
Meanwhile I spectated him push attack a gunner for 5 seconds
Because he was puhing him and missing his actual attack
several times
Leaving ogryn to 1v1 a dh and arbites to 1v1 a sword captain
- other shit
spark pier
In other news. I'm having a lot of fun with the relic blade
acoustic dune
Because he was puhing him and missing his actual attack
ripe quest
what targets can it not cleave?
Thought there were a few more, but it just looks to be specifically Bulwark shields. Though the shield hitbox is very literal, so you can just shoot underneath it/to the sides.
acoustic dune
What blud was doing
quick mountain
does anyone have that reginald test of the mk2 rb outperforming mk10 in havoc?
violet hill
Thought there were a few more, but it just looks to be specifically Bulwark shie...
that's weird because i just killed 3 bulwarks at the exact same time this evening by just dumping a whole flamer can straight through the front ones shield and walking backwards
and in the meat grinder just now, shooting the shield straight on it goes right through, your info on that seems to be out of date
hidden grove
the flammer is like psyker inferno staff, bulwark shield does absolutely nothing and just gets destroyed once the dot stacks up
violet hill
if i hit the absolute very center it doesn't go through, but moving 3 inches in any direction from the center and it doesn't block it
hidden grove
doesn't matter where you hit it, once the dot stacks up it's over
the shield might block some direct ranged damage from flammer, but that's peanuts
violet hill
the shield might block some direct ranged damage from flammer, but that's peanut...
but when the direct damage is being blocked the dots aren't stacking up, thats why i said if you move just a little bit from the center where it blocks the attack it goes through, the primary fire ignores the shield entirely but braced fire which applies the most stacks the fastest gets blocked in the very center
hidden grove
but when the direct damage is being blocked the dots aren't stacking up, thats w...
direct damage being blocked the dots stack up regardless
just try it out in psych, you'll see
violet hill
brother what do you think i'm doing, where do you think i'm seeing that the direct damage being blocked is making no stacks apply
hidden grove
then we are playing 2 different games or you drunk
by that logic shotting bulwark directly onto the shield with flammer would never kill it ever
since both direct dmg and dots are blocked
you telling me you unloaded an entire barrel of flammer onto a bulwark and it doesn't take any damage?
violet hill
you telling me you unloaded an entire barrel of flammer onto a bulwark and it do...
yes that is exactly what i'm telling you
hidden grove
yes that is exactly what i'm telling you
where's the health bar
violet hill
it pops up when the target takes damage, if it's not taking damage it doesn't show
ripe quest
and in the meat grinder just now, shooting the shield straight on it goes right ...
I tested a number of enemies directly prior to sending that message. Flamer does not display infinite cleave versus Bulwarks. You can properly stack burn on one to two Bulwarks through the shield at the right angle, but beyond that it's not going to ignite Bulwarks much if at all.
hidden grove
it pops up when the target takes damage, if it's not taking damage it doesn't sh...
huh, nvm you are right, if you are close enough to the shield and the whole thing gets blocked no dot get stacked
that been said if you stand not that close, even if you shoot at center the dots will still stack and it's fine
violet hill
standing not that close isn't always an option which is the only reason i bring up it being blocked at all, however the primary fire doesn't seem to be blocked at all at any range but only applies a 2 damage dot
hidden grove
lol I killed enough 10x bulwark walls in havoc with the flammer this thing was never an issue
part of the reason I thought you were drunk
violet hill
it's a very niche issue
bitter anvil
yes that is exactly what i'm telling you
Solid fucking wall
south prism
median steeple
Turt
signal spoke
he is so me
solar gorge
stone fern
i can finally play twins....
r u finally gonna level arby π€£
acoustic dune
copper hawk
This fills me with glee
acoustic dune
cica you mold
solar gorge
Clair de lune is my favourite song now I have to listen to it
spare talon
This fills me with glee
Theyre completely crushed
You're gleeful whilst watching the life leave a creatures body
You sick fuck
acoustic dune
wind flame
Havent played for at least a year, hows the eviscerator now?
jagged cradle
i really like the middle one i hope nothing bad happens when i watch the video
signal spoke
i really like the middle one i hope nothing bad happens when i watch the video
Dont worry it is just my cats eating the watermelon i gave to them
placid fiber
yes that is exactly what i'm telling you
Aim to the left a little
You gotta hit their hand/arm with the flame
shell helm
So what's a good zealot build for just really brutal melee dam
shell helm
I'm thinking evisc for a sister of battle feel
rose sentinel
Was a Psyker main, fell in live with Arbites, switching to Zealot now, any tips?
placid fiber
eviscerator is any of the keystones depending on how you have it built and which mark
rose sentinel
I did do Zealot just long enough to get to level 4 it seems
placid fiber
Well at level 4 the most you can really do is work your way to a utility skill to help with leveling
rose sentinel
Figured. At least I've got some cosmetics
placid fiber
I'd probably say this for second wind and blood redemption
shell helm
I know I wanna go chorus, and I kinda want knives, or fire, but eh
placid fiber
Well the more you go away from meta builds the more some issues can arise
shell helm
yeah
placid fiber
Like a lack of talents and such
generally speaking chastise is advised, which the exception being havoc where either chorus or chastise is used
nearly 100% uptime on 20% attack speed goes hard
and it doesn't set your active dps to 0 like chorus does
placid fiber
I know I wanna go chorus, and I kinda want knives, or fire, but eh
the biggest issue with pathing to fire nades is second wind is still wanted on all builds
which means a 4 point sink
shell helm
yeah
I went with knives
I took disdain and enemies within and enemies without though
placid fiber
disdain is every other hit and unreliable
shell helm
Good to know
placid fiber
Almost no builds take it unless pathing to stun nades
shell helm
fair
I pathed from knives to the far left
until death side
is the other side worth
shell helm
Good to know
shell helm
I dropped both
placid fiber
And she's the mk3 eviscerator god as it were
craggy jackal
Right side piety not recommended
But if you want to use 2 points on 10% crit chance
placid fiber
You could probably do something like this if you really want chorus that bad
placid fiber
It is hitstun immunity
meaning you can't be interrupted out of attacks
whether sawing or heavies
craggy jackal
Itβs pretty necessary for evis
shell helm
and I guest duellist is good if you're head swinging
placid fiber
It is optional on faster weapons, but, on slower weapons it is almost mandatory
craggy jackal
Duelist is good no matter what
placid fiber
and I guest duellist is good if you're head swinging
Duelist is one of the best talents on zealot
rose sentinel
Should I save up my money for Saintly Lazar's Vestments or just get the Saintly Missionary's Vestments? I just want candles on my shoulder rn
placid fiber
50% weakspot and 50% crit damage in 1 talent on dodging
shell helm
are either of the side talents for chors worth?
rose sentinel
Real talk, is Weakspot just headshots on most things?
placid fiber
everything but burgles
rose sentinel
Burgles?
placid fiber
placid fiber
bon bons as we used to call them
maulers heads are still the weakspots
they are just more heavily armored
craggy jackal
are either of the side talents for chors worth?
Points better spent elsewhere
placid fiber
I used the build editor and put it together
aside from the one I got from meow which I had saved
acoustic dune
Chat
craggy jackal
Scourge over blood redemption
placid fiber
1 point left
If you're going crit do this
acoustic dune
Tolaez
placid fiber
Enduring faith is 50% toughness damage reduction, scourge helps keep invocation of death and enduring faith active more
shell helm
I wasn't specificallty
placid fiber
especially without chastise
craggy jackal
You are taking piety
acoustic dune
Ey phil
placid fiber
You have piety
craggy jackal
You are using a crit build
craggy jackal
Take the crit build setup
shell helm
fair
placid fiber
You got a philly
Not today, I am off today
rose sentinel
Aight jumping into quickplay
acoustic dune
Not today, I am off today
No philby on your off day?
shell helm
so swap out blood redemption
acoustic dune
Datz crazy
placid fiber
No philby on your off day?
Nah, I am just chilling and also my work place isn't open yet for me to order one >.>
it's not even 7am here
acoustic dune
Oh
placid fiber
Yep
shell helm
I haven't done too much zealot recently
I was thinking of bringing a flamer or bolter with it, which would be better
placid fiber
uh...
craggy jackal
Both good
placid fiber
It's a generalist weapon so something to either soften bosses or handle specials/elites
something for mobility works as well, since they generally handle specials quite well
especially since you don't have chastise to compensate for low mobility on both weapons
rose sentinel
I know from playing Arby that bolter is fantastic, but really I'm playing Zealot for the flamer
placid fiber
I know from playing Arby that bolter is fantastic, but really I'm playing Zealot...
Zealot flamer is something that goes from bad(uprising) to god-tier (havoc 40)... the higher the enemy density the better the flamer becomes
Also you gotta aim at the hands/arms of a blocking bulwark to burn them
placid fiber
Flamer with pugs who cant shoot at specials is...
That's what tknives are for
You can snipe specials from up to like... 60m I think if you aim good enough
placid fiber
whats some good perks for the relic blade?
Flak + elites/carapace/unyielding
Carapace is for a more easier crusher 1 shot, elites is for a harder one with more general benefits, unyielding is for bulwark/reaper/monster racism
as for the blessings it is rampage + cranial grounding outside of havoc
next trench
havoc toughness regen?
placid fiber
havoc toughness regen?
What?
placid fiber
For havoc it is wrath + cranial grounding/rampage
next trench
ah
placid fiber
due to the higher hitmass on hordes
placid fiber
in havoc i should put toughness regen on hit?
I thought you meant the curio perk toughness regen speed, which is bad even outside of havoc x.x
next trench
ah i see
placid fiber
ah i see
It only affects coherency regen which is why it is bad, since coherency regen stops when you're close to enemies
next trench
thanks !
placid fiber
Glad I can help
rose flower
looking back at screenshots, finding a zealot named Linkara will never not be funny
rose sentinel
I forgot how painful low level gameplay was
rose flower
going from 50 ragers on you to a mini horde of groaners and such definitely sucked when i got arbites again
solar gorge
the struggle of wanting to start a tww3 campaign but wanting to wait for the next patch at the same time
violet hornet
God tree with no teammates doing or watching obj is such a nightmare
next trench
look how many rescues and revives
violet hornet
Fuck lol
next trench
relic blade KARKS
went for an auric maelstorm to level it up, ended up with more that i bargained for
placid fiber
God tree with no teammates doing or watching obj is such a nightmare
There's a reason I am nervous to go to hab dreyko without me being zealot or oggy >.>'
hushed knoll
the struggle of wanting to start a tww3 campaign but wanting to wait for the nex...
Hi lambda ily
@acoustic dune get ready for another breakfast pic
heady rapids
hushed knoll
@acoustic dune
frosty herald
https://tenor.com/view/lancer-kick-spamton-star-walker-tenna-gif-885058355581359...
ill being rotoscoped is funny
acoustic dune
<@273449982101553154>
Look edible
hushed knoll
Look edible
Wow so you admit itβs fine
acoustic dune
Wow so you admit itβs fine
Compare to yesterday?
It's night and day
You can't really not beat the standard
When it's on the ground
hushed knoll
acoustic dune
Yesterday was gray milk
solar gorge
ill being rotoscoped is funny
everything should be rotoscoped with lancer
acoustic dune
GRAY MILK
acoustic dune
See? Itβs the same day today
Chat is this true
hushed knoll
Chat is this true
It is true
acoustic dune
I need a second opinion
hushed knoll
No you donβt
acoustic dune
Chat stan is practicing faccism
rugged rock
Having trouble deciding which ranged weapon to go with for havoc 30+
I like the flamer for mixed horde clear, the bolter for boss damage, and the precision revolver for dealing with specials, but the bolter has a long reload, the foamer canβt deal with long range, and the revolver never has enough ammo
For reference Iβve been using the power sword for melee and running chorus to protect teammates
agile slate
recon lasgun
rugged rock
The only choice for a true zealot
void bison
darktide + 1 billion frogs (immortal) = better darktide
south prism
doggie
rugged rock
Not gonna lie having a pet gator that acted like a dog would be sick
Youβd probably have to breed them for several generations to be even remotely docile though
rugged rock
It can be good in certain situations, but itβs hard to justify if youβre solo queuing
rose sentinel
If you're not holding secondary fire, it does literally nothing but waste one bit of ammo at a time, when holding secondary fire, you release it anyway whenever an enemy hits you.
heady rapids
Ah, I see. Flamer is absolute dogwater
it scales with difficulty
rugged rock
Itβs also the only weapons as far as I know where the best dump stat is damageπ
heady rapids
If you're not holding secondary fire, it does literally nothing but waste one bi...
dont get hit
lmb is used to keep stacks up and stagger
rugged rock
Left click is for stagger
With the stagger blessing you used to be able to stagger ogryns with like 2 pulses before the flamer nerf
heady rapids
stagger blessing isnt real it cant hurt you
rose sentinel
Heavy sword is also trash. And the primary fire (I'm on xbox so it's right trigger) for flamer seems to do literally nothing, it didn't even stagger a little guy
rugged rock
The heavy power sword? Or which do you mean
rose sentinel
The heavy sword. It does barely any damage and doesn't hit many enemies at once, it isn't fast either
rugged rock
Itβs definitely mid at best
heady rapids
its not mid
it's only downside is the fact that it cant kill carapace fast
it has access to bm, has insane cleave and one taps basically every enemy that isnt a crusher or a mauler
best mixed horde clear by a mile
rugged rock
bm?
heady rapids
brutal momentum
headshot kills make you deal full damage to the first 4 targets hit, and only then does the cleave damage distro kicks in
it only falls off if you dont meet breakpoints, and heavy sword doesnt have issues with breakpoints
oh also gives you 15% weakspot dmg
rugged rock
Oh damn, that is not how I understood the wording of that blessing
Thatβs sick, Iβll have to try it
heady rapids
yeah its really good, just make sure you run something in your secondary slot that can deal with armor
rugged rock
I love the thunder hammer/power sword so much though
heady rapids
but you still can kil lcrushers/maulers with it, just not whole packs in seconds
& you can use fury to help you with that
rugged rock
I miss when martyrdom was so busted that you could one shot a demon host on a lvl 5 mission
heady rapids
you still cant
can
**
daemonhost has the least hp out of all bosses
its by far the easiest monstrosity to one shot
rugged rock
can you? even with full stacks of everything I was still only able to do about 80%
rugged rock
yeah but it doesn't farm as much aura if you have to hit it twice
heady rapids
you should 100% be able to
phil is postil that ogryn vid daily
and dh has 20k hp less
rugged rock
I don't run mods or I'd spawn one in and test it
sullen forge
Itβs possible with FOTF you just have to wind up the hammer first
heady rapids
I miss when martyrdom was so busted that you could one shot a demon host on a lv...
wait are you sure you're not mistaking it for a bug when thrust used to apply 3x dmg?
sullen forge
Thatβs more a timing thing
heady rapids
cause martyrdom was never broken iirc
heady rapids
wait are you sure you're not mistaking it for a bug when thrust used to apply 3x...
man that was like
year 1 of darktide
good ol times
rugged rock
wait are you sure you're not mistaking it for a bug when thrust used to apply 3x...
I might be
I've been playing since the first week of beta
RIP Until Death my goated champion
you used to be able to get almost a full heal off of it
ripe quest
Enduring faith is 50% toughness damage reduction, scourge helps keep invocation ...
Depending on the weapon you don't need Scourge to keep up IoD and EF
void bison
rose sentinel
Bolt pistol time
Lmao, I love how weapon mastery carries over from other characters, I've got 20 on that
rose sentinel
What am I missing with the double barrel? Is it bad or?
heady rapids
it's pretty mediocre
esp on zealot cause zealot has 0 ranged dmg talents
(more like a couple relevant ones but not enough to make weps that arent balanced around them work)
its ok on vet with wep spec
w/ manstopper flechette
rose sentinel
I attempted it on my arby but hated it
rose sentinel
The bolter weapons are just the absolute best around for everyone that gets them imho
median steeple
Me when I get a hold of you <@508465754832633896>
acoustic dune
chat is the zealot rework here yet?
frosty herald
scenic drift
Wow, glad I didn't give up on zealot, relic blade saved the class for me.
rose sentinel
I'm just about ready to give up ngl. I feel like glass without the cannon
I'm not dealing much damage, I'm not crowd controlling, I'm not tanking and I'm not doing much to support. Granted only level 12 but still
river oriole
u get a lot tankier
scenic drift
well, with some perks I felt pretty tanky at 15, but all the weapons felt like ass
spare dome
Zealot feels especially shit without one of your improved abilities
No on demand toughness regain
scenic drift
thunder hammer was the first fun one, but it felt like knocking people around, not killing them
but relic blade murders face and is fun for me
(I am a kruber main)
river oriole
crucis thammer is genuinely mid at everything except for boss killing
(if that's the one ur using)
scenic drift
that's the one I tried yes
very sad how it feels, compared to the thunder hammer in space marine 2
Or well, it feels like it just needs a bunch of more damage, visuals and such are pretty fine.
north sedge
It one shots all elites and will 2-3 shot bosses
scenic drift
Wasn't the experience at level 12? or 15 or whenever it unlocked.
frosty herald
scenic drift
maybe I'll give it a go at some point again, but for now Relic Blade is 
placid fiber
very sad how it feels, compared to the thunder hammer in space marine 2
Tru, it sucks
north sedge
Nothing is really operating at its potential that low
placid fiber
frosty herald
Tru, it sucks
ngl this vid is quite old
river oriole
Tru, it sucks
nerf thammer frfr on god π
frosty herald
and doesnt factor stuff like havoc scaling or mortis scaling
placid fiber
and doesnt factor stuff like havoc scaling or mortis scaling
No shit, it's not supposed to lol
It's just a regular damnation plague ogryn
I can record it again today with the same results >.>
sullen forge
and doesnt factor stuff like havoc scaling or mortis scaling
Mortis scaling
safe wave
Question for a newbie :
What is the purpose of toughness, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a shield or something that reduces your incoming damages ?
sullen forge
placid fiber
In fact I will record it again, even tho I have to fucking put 10% weakspot damage on my thammer for it
river oriole
Question for a newbie :
What is the purpose of toughness, I'm not sure if it's s...
regenerating "health" resource
blocks the first instance of health damage when it's full
try getting hit by a gunner with full toughness vs with toughness broken
safe wave
Oh so it's temporary health
placid fiber
Question for a newbie :
What is the purpose of toughness, I'm not sure if it's s...
Something to mitigate chip(health) damage and to avoid damage taken from gunners
river oriole
it's more lenient temp hp
placid fiber
Oh so it's temporary health
Not quite, you take health damage based on the % of max toughness you are missing
With 68% toughness you take 32% health damage from a melee hit
The higher your toughness is the faster you can regenerate it since every source of toughness generation besides coherency regeneration is % based
frosty herald
https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-holding-back-l...
Gale its a 1.5x health boost at mortis wave 12 im pret sure
placid fiber
meaning you take a smaller % of your total toughness in damage each hit and recover more toughness per generation
safe wave
Oh ok, that's a thoughtful system. Thank you for the explaination, that's much clearer !
placid fiber
Oh ok, that's a thoughtful system. Thank you for the explaination, that's much c...
It's one of the reasons why toughness is goated on every class
acoustic dune
Question for a newbie :
What is the purpose of toughness, I'm not sure if it's s...
dont get chip damage
the higher the tougness
placid fiber
Now if you'll excuse me I need to hurt my brain by putting weakspot damage on my thammer for this test
acoustic dune
the less chip damage you get
aswell maybe surviving a one shot
or sniper
or ur mom
safe wave
Ok so i need to base my trinkets on thoughness
river oriole
acoustic dune
Ok so i need to base my trinkets on thoughness
when your toughness get under 100
you start to get chip damage
safe wave
Ok
river oriole
when your toughness get under 100
100%
safe wave
100% ok not flat 100
placid fiber
Ok so i need to base my trinkets on thoughness
It depends on the class. Arby the meta, afaik, is 2 toughness and 1 hp/stamina. For zealot tho the meta is 3 toughness, 2 toughness and 1hp/stamina, 3 wounds(Marty only), or 2 wounds and 1 toughness(marty only)
velvet orbit
does anyone here has relic build
placid fiber
100% ok not flat 100
On a side note: only a 410 rated or higher 3 stamina curio is real. A 400 rated one is only 2 stamina in missions(this is the only curio like this)
acoustic dune
On a side note: only a 410 rated or higher 3 stamina curio is real. A 400 rated ...
you can get them with brunt when you hit lv 30
or gamble with daddy bara melk
placid fiber
I forgot to put weakspot damage on my thammer for the stupid test...
btw weakspot and crit damage perks on weapons are bad
acoustic dune
btw weakspot and crit damage perks on weapons are bad
if you wanna go niche
placid fiber
This meme build has a specific breakpoint where 10% weakspot or 10% crit damage reaches it
sullen forge
Gale its a 1.5x health boost at mortis wave 12 im pret sure
Yes but the sheer mention of the snoretis trials
frosty herald
:(
acoustic dune
depending on how niche you wanna go
placid fiber
lol
safe wave
Ok so i have 40 hours on Darktide (cause i have few friends playing the game rn and i've just started the game).
And atm i am level 30 zealot with the 2 dashs w thoughness healing build but i go down easily cause first and foremost, I suck ass.
And second, I was having trouble to figure out what was the utility of the toughness stat.
acoustic dune
Ok so i have 40 hours on Darktide (cause i have few friends playing the game rn ...
did you max lv your class?
placid fiber
@frosty herald Take that!
safe wave
did you max lv your class?
Yep !
frosty herald
<@427815660937019393> Take that!
Erm your using spider sense
Obviously cheated clip
frosty herald
sullen forge
:(
After adjusting to H40 I straight up prefer it over a good chunk of shit in the game
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerdge-gif-23738139
You didn't point that out in the 1st clip, obviously a scrub
sullen forge
Something about it is incredibly fun on Vet
frosty herald
psyker mortis is fun
velvet orbit
is there a good martyrdom relic build
placid fiber
psyker mortis is fun
As long as you give me a bubble when I'm on arby, idc. Arby can't get bubble nades
acoustic dune
Ok so i have 40 hours on Darktide (cause i have few friends playing the game rn ...
oh btw toughness hellp you survive range unit
sullen forge
the door
frosty herald
As long as you give me a bubble when I'm on arby, idc. Arby can't get bubble nad...
you dont need them
river oriole
Ok so i have 40 hours on Darktide (cause i have few friends playing the game rn ...
if you take chorus you have pretty much infinite golden toughness
acoustic dune
since it doesnt do chip damage when you have toughness
frosty herald
your legit invincible on mortis arbites
placid fiber
you dont need them
Trapper spam as the last person alive when you're lone wolf:
sullen forge
Plogryn tripping on a door and stubbing their toe
acoustic dune
so get the reduction blessing raanger
velvet orbit
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kJ4kc3UdwEPiWv715?invite=c...
can you tell me the helbore sight mod
sullen forge
Auric Mortis was an experience cause itβs a bunch of players who think theyβre ready for Auric
river oriole
can you tell me the helbore sight mod
weapon customization
velvet orbit
thanks
frosty herald
can you tell me the helbore sight mod
weapon customization
river oriole
use the dev wip sight
placid fiber
i fought 2 bon 5 plague ogryns and 6 chaos spawn
Tru, just shoot your autopistol for minutes straight
frosty herald
Auric Mortis was an experience cause itβs a bunch of players who think theyβre r...
i legit have no clue how people die on mortis
acoustic dune
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kJ4kc3UdwEPiWv715?invite=c...
wtf is the babbling in the background?
frosty herald
you get so op
placid fiber
i legit have no clue how people die on mortis
Randos die, then the disablers overwhelm you and you get disabled
frosty herald
Tru, just shoot your autopistol for minutes straight
this isnt even crit WTF
river oriole
i legit have no clue how people die on mortis
average arbites spamming ult and dying when it's off
placid fiber
this isnt even crit WTF
placid fiber
this isnt even crit WTF
Cavalcade, death dealer, execution order(before it got bugged)
acoustic dune
i see you finally got that extended mag
placid fiber
infinite exe stance bolter
I really need to try that lol
I just don't like playing my vet
frosty herald
you just straight up get a heavy bolter doing that
acoustic dune
god i wish vet get a overhaul on 2 of his keystone
especially the one on the far left
like standing still?
in this game?
crazy
river oriole
oh yeah
it's crab walking time
placid fiber
you just straight up get a heavy bolter doing that
I've legit fired my autopistol, on zealot, for like... 4 or 5 minutes straight with those shenanigans
safe wave
if you take chorus you have pretty much infinite golden toughness
Interesting, that's alot of useful infos!
I personally like the 2 dashes because it feels alright when dealing with hordes with a Runic Blade with the increased attack speed.
But i didn't try Chorus
placid fiber
Interesting, that's alot of useful infos!
I personally like the 2 dashes because...
There's 1 problem with chorus... it sets your active dps to 0
river oriole
but ur invincible during the ult
acoustic dune
i like chorus for only staggering stuff
placid fiber
but ur invincible during the ult <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Snipers:
5 snipers lol
river oriole
π
placid fiber
10 snipers
acoustic dune
i just side step into the enemy with chorus
placid fiber
30 snipers
acoustic dune
and dats it
placid fiber
50 SNIPERS!
river oriole
50 FUCKING SNIPERS!!!!
placid fiber
509348503948 SNIPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
acoustic dune
50 SNIPERS!
counter point
velvet orbit
what kind of keystone do yall recommend for relic blade
acoustic dune
4 gunners
placid fiber
what kind of keystone do yall recommend for relic blade
for the mk10 piety
sullen forge
wtf is the babbling in the background?
Dramaslop
sullen forge
Pirate software stuff Iβm catching up on
placid fiber
for the mk2 I think IJ or Marty is better
acoustic dune
truly we live in a sloppy world
safe wave
Yeah snipers are a pain in the ass.
I use the bolt pistol to deal at long ranges
north sedge
marty works too
acoustic dune
no martyrdom ?
i mean everrything is good with marty
river oriole
(if ur goated)
sullen forge
i legit have no clue how people die on mortis
I had to clutch once with 9 bosses in play lmao
placid fiber
Yeah snipers are a pain in the ass.
I use the bolt pistol to deal at long ranges
Btw on automatic guns dance of death makes you able to snipe them with things like the autopistol
sullen forge
Took over like 5 minute bit I did it
acoustic dune
Yeah snipers are a pain in the ass.
I use the bolt pistol to deal at long ranges
i just run up to them
sullen forge
The entire team was basically dead weight
velvet orbit
i mean everrything is good with marty
can eviscerator and relic share the same build
placid fiber
Btw on automatic guns dance of death makes you able to snipe them with things li...
You automatically take dance of death when you take thy wrath be swift
frosty herald
Took over like 5 minute bit I did it
i had to smack those plague ogryns and chaos spawns for a solid 10 minutes
i was using crusher arbites
acoustic dune
frosty herald
really good class except boss damage
placid fiber
can eviscerator and relic share the same build
I think so, but, I would need to see the 2 weapons first
acoustic dune
me when i get to the sniper
frosty herald
Pirate software stuff Iβm catching up on
pirate slopware
ripe quest
Interesting, that's alot of useful infos!
I personally like the 2 dashes because...
Chorus is a neat support ultimate. Not every team needs it though. Usually it's smart to take the +damage addon as well to make up for lost damage (specifically bosses/crowds, can't rely on it for breakpoints).
river oriole
really good class except boss damage
but he's consistent and insanely resilient so it doesn't even matter
velvet orbit
I think so, but, I would need to see the 2 weapons first
can you repharse that
frosty herald
(didnt even send his dad a happy birthday message)
acoustic dune
can eviscerator and relic share the same build
idk
i just use zealot as a speedo fuck
i get in i krill then i run
ripe quest
for the mk2 I think IJ or Marty is better
You can run all three keystones with either variant.
minor sigil
but he's consistent and insanely resilient so it doesn't even matter
the longer a monstrosity stays alive the more space you lose, boss damage matters
river oriole
tru
velvet orbit
the drawback of martyrdom is that your toughness is shit right ?
placid fiber
i had to smack those plague ogryns and chaos spawns for a solid 10 minutes
Counterpoint, Yamato...
river oriole
the drawback of martyrdom is that your toughness is shit right ?
nah u just rely on gold toughness/dodges
minor sigil
Counterpoint, Yamato...
no cavalcade? huge L
river oriole
shouty vet x martyrdom zealot best darktide ship
placid fiber
no cavalcade? huge L
Doesn't work as well with death dealer as it does on the autopistol sadly
acoustic dune
pretty much what i do as a zealot
velvet orbit
nah u just rely on gold toughness/dodges
i meant shit toughness number
as in max toughness
acoustic dune
shouty vet x martyrdom zealot best darktide ship
eh with the oggy rework
just play oggy
shit is nice
river oriole
true
acoustic dune
or melee psycher
ripe quest
the drawback of martyrdom is that your toughness is shit right ?
If you have Martyr stacks up and bleed for the emperor, you'll effectively have roughly the same toughness as 3x curios and health as 3x curios. You can also run some toughness curios if you don't need full Martyrdom for performance.
acoustic dune
i will not play staff psycher
minor sigil
the drawback of martyrdom is that your toughness is shit right ?
that is one of them
the other drawback is that you need to be on low HP to have a keystone
and the other drawback is that you need wound curios for maximum value
acoustic dune
when i have a giant fuckoff sword
placid fiber
the drawback of martyrdom is that your toughness is shit right ?
Yes, which is why one of the options used is 2 wounds and 1 toughness for the curios
acoustic dune
that is one of them
the other drawback is that you need to be on low HP to have ...
in short
its a ass to setup
so you dont
minor sigil
just take blazing piety and do more damage for killing enemies instead of having to kill yourself to do more damage
easy
placid fiber
just rizz the enemy or smth
river oriole
just rizz the enemy or smth
TRAPPER MOVING TO POSITION
acoustic dune
https://tenor.com/view/bard-bard-vibe-bard-vibing-gif-24902550
me on chorus
placid fiber
TRAPPER MOVING TO POSITION
starts seeing red
acoustic dune
TRAPPER MOVING TO POSITION
me with my pocket knife
anyhow imma go lick the sand or smth
have this horse for a sex
safe wave
Trapper is also a pain
acoustic dune
river oriole
have this horse for a sex
for a WHAT
placid fiber
Trapper is also a pain
Trapper is my highest priority target >.>
acoustic dune
for a WHAT
ermmm
placid fiber
followed by disablers, then it blurs between specials and elites
river oriole
Trapper is my highest priority target >.>
the humble bomber:
acoustic dune
velvet orbit
Yes, which is why one of the options used is 2 wounds and 1 toughness for the cu...
can you rate my build ? i'll send it later
minor sigil
If you have Martyr stacks up and bleed for the emperor, you'll effectively have ...
this is kind of ignoring a lot
placid fiber
the humble bomber:
Can fuck your team up, but, can't disable you making you unable to clutch
minor sigil
like the fact that toughness regeneration is pretty much exclusively percentage based so the more toughness you have the more you regenerate
river oriole
Can fuck your team up, but, can't disable you making you unable to clutch
idk I like getting rid of area denial first so they can't restrict more movement
acoustic dune
dats cool n all
river oriole
placid fiber
idk I like getting rid of area denial first so they can't restrict more movement
That is perfectly fair, but, the amount of times I've seen 1 trapper disable all randos... God it's horrible how many times I've seen that...
river oriole
That is perfectly fair, but, the amount of times I've seen 1 trapper disable all...
clearly you haven't seen an entire team of randoms get solo'd by some random poxwalker
acoustic dune
they just need to remove wound curios tbqh
no they need to add +3 wpund curio
placid fiber
clearly you haven't seen an entire team of randoms get solo'd by some random pox...
I've seen a malice rager solo an oggy, zealot, and psyker with all 3 being at full hp
minor sigil
I've seen havoc teammates go down to a handful of poxwalkers behind them
minor sigil
I just don't believe you
placid fiber
You don't have to