zealot-class

[golden flint]

"Okay so we got a wizard and a giant and a guy with a cyborg dog, what do you do?"
"I shoot good"

[burnt cloud]

:/

[cinder steeple]

Just wish they got ammo refunded on elite/special weak spot kill

[burnt cloud]

they just need to give us melta guns, and completely rework the talent tree so its not dogwater, thats all im asking

[cinder steeple]

*vet

[cinder steeple]

Literally give vet flamer

I will drop zealot

Flamer + survivalist + shout ❤️

[burnt cloud]

make sure you roll exe stance flamer so everything is out of range

[golden flint]

I like that zealot and vet kinda lean into being the basic melee/ranged characters while the others can do more niche things, their talent trees just need work

[burnt cloud]

id be less hysterical if the arby wasn't simply a better veteran with lone wolf

[cinder steeple]

Arb is bad if there was havoc 80

[golden flint]

The tradeoff is every arbitrator on your team has been lobotomized because they use the dog to compensate

[cinder steeple]

It’s just basic shit with tons of dmg and dr

[burnt cloud]

it is

but as a vet main, playing LW arby is just playing veteran that works

[cinder steeple]

I guarantee if they increased the havoc to uncapped there would be no arbs

Veteran actually helps the team

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-pinocchio-gif-8034685000585713923

[golden flint]

I love being the only zealot on a team of arbitrators and we're pinned down by several gunners and not a one of them will use the fucking dogs they have to kill anything of value

[burnt cloud]

there are many idiots

[cinder steeple]

Literally all of zealots abilities fuck gunners

Fotf can let you move 20m with god mode (or 40)

Book is book

Shroud is shroud

[burnt cloud]

I should just convert to ogryn and LMB with a bully club through H40s.

[cinder steeple]

I had that thought

It’s painful

[golden flint]

It doesn't happen that often but in general my arbitrator teammates have been awful at actually helping the team

[burnt cloud]

Ive done it before, the difference is "omg omg omg" to "heh heh heretic goes splat"

[cinder steeple]

But I realized watching tv is better than h40 ogryn bully club taunt

[golden flint]

What's arbitrator's usual role supposed to be actually? Defense? Enemy aggro?

[cinder steeple]

I thought stagger and enemy debuff

[burnt cloud]

thats because a lot of arbys used the razor jaw bug to get into havoc levels they weren't ready for

and now they are fucking everything up

[cinder steeple]

I got way too many people h40

Still doing it with book spam though

Or speedrunning archivum

[burnt cloud]

arby is a lot of things, it can CC and take out elites with dogs, it can tank with castigators, or tank and kill fast with break the line and forceful, or EO. Basically whatever you want. Most useful in havoc is competent dog builds that rip apart ranged threats by actively siccing their dog on them.

and then popping dog self destruct on bosses and what not, that's my experience

but they are rare

[cinder steeple]

It’s just a generalist

[golden flint]

I barely ever see people actually using their fucking dogs for important shit, it's always some enemy 2 feet away I'm already beating to death

[cinder steeple]

It wouldn’t work in h80

[burnt cloud]

yeah

the good ones sit back in the midline and send the pupper out to rip apart gunner packs, bombers, anything thats threatening the team

[cinder steeple]

Literally book chaining is so ridiculous

[sterile basalt]

Flamer on vet would be astronomically bad lol

[burnt cloud]

but hilarious for a short time

[golden flint]

Vet getting a plasma pistol would be peak

[sterile basalt]

There’re like a total of 5 talents on vet tree that would reliably boost flamer’s damage

[acoustic dune]

Chat

I am sleepy

What do

[golden flint]

Go bed

[acoustic dune]

What if no bed

[burnt cloud]

i want a full on melta gun, an anti-armor microwave shotgun that slags anything it touches

[cinder steeple]

Survivalist

[golden flint]

Lies

[cinder steeple]

499.99

[burnt cloud]

sleep in the trash, RP as a raccoon

[acoustic dune]

Lie down or do I lie that I have a bed

[golden flint]

Melta guns confuse me

[sterile basalt]

Given its CD, barely matters for flamer’s use cases

Meanwhile u lose all ur ranged sniping by taking a flamer

[acoustic dune]

Then the rule of nature change that there would now be a bed

[acoustic dune]

Knife

T knife

[golden flint]

I've heard they're more like beam weapons but then space marine 2 has it as like a heat energy shotgun

[sterile basalt]

She was talking about flamer (if on veteran)

[acoustic dune]

Oh

[burnt cloud]

They fire superheated matter at a short distance to bust tanks and heavily armored infantry, but they aren't volatile like plasma, but they also lack the range.

It's a very fast microwave beam. Hence the slang "cooker". They vaporize stuff.

Flamer is slow roaster. Melta is flash fry.

[golden flint]

Right, just seems like what that actually looks like in practice isn't super consistent across different media

[cinder steeple]

I guess I would need knifes too :(** **

[burnt cloud]

Yeah its badly represented in video games and comics and shit. In table top its a tank and armored infantry buster with low to mid range.

[acoustic dune]

The sm2 heat weapon seem more like brain burst

But you need to keep line of sight

[golden flint]

I'd be curious how darktide does it

I think they did bolters a lot better than space marine 2 did

[burnt cloud]

Probably how everyone else does: thermal shotgun with bonuses against armored and bosses.

[sterile basalt]

Rogue trader represents it decently well imo

[cinder steeple]

If exterminator shotgun just had the visuals of a melta I bet it would pass

[golden flint]

Space marine 2 bolters feel like using a regular ass autogun or stubber besides the one the heavy uses

[burnt cloud]

what vet really needs is just a summonable leman russ tank

you cant drive the tank, it just drops where you're aiming

[acoustic dune]

Tbf they have sm2 enemy

[sterile basalt]

No

[golden flint]

Baneblade

[sterile basalt]

Give vet the ability to call in a deathstrike missile

Obliterate the entire map and 14 other hab blocks nearby

[acoustic dune]

Better idea
Servitors with guns

[burnt cloud]

Oh yes. And Basilisk artillery, deathstrike missiles, we need it all. Medusa siege guns. Fucking shadowswords and fellblades.

[golden flint]

New 50 dollar class dlc, venerable dreadnought

[mighty root]

Thought this was vet class for a second

[acoustic dune]

Fyre
Post the yakub

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/yakub-tricknology-gif-1863956772145225024

[acoustic dune]

Exquisite

https://tenor.com/view/monke-gif-4007877678756330230

[mighty root]

I wish survivalist was no ammo consumption on crit or 20% chance not too consume ammo

It’s fine where it is now I suppose

Good with revolver and dbarrel

[golden flint]

Even with that the audio and visuals of most of them just doesn't feel like actual bolters tbh, even if you're not shooting at some huge tyranid there's no explosion or anything, the audio sounds like a normal gun still

[acoustic dune]

Putting cooldown on keystone

[cinder steeple]

Throwing knives + survivalist + flamer + fotf + knife

[sterile basalt]

U don’t need survivalist for either

[acoustic dune]

Seem wack

[mighty root]

I know dat

You silly billy

[acoustic dune]

Wait hang on survivalist?

Tf is that?

I am confusing it with scavenger

[cinder steeple]

A super sexy aura

[sterile basalt]

Survivalist is scavenger upgraded

[mighty root]

Are you ready for vets 5th rework after zealot?

[sterile basalt]

Wdym 5th

[acoustic dune]

Again cooldown on aura
Crazy

[sterile basalt]

I’ve sent 2 drafts already

[ripe quest]

Well like a real rework instead of just shifting some stuff around

[mighty root]

Well hasn’t he been reworked like 4 times now

[sterile basalt]

I can show u the stuff I wrote

[sterile basalt]

Yea

He can keep going

[golden flint]

Vet update:

• power sword now useable by other human classes

[mighty root]

I just hope for less tax

[sterile basalt]

It’s not that hard to update talent section in guide

The hard part is weaponry

[frosty herald]

they should ask argus gale and you for the vet rework

[sterile basalt]

No

[cinder steeple]

Double vet gun dmg hahahaha

[ripe quest]

no

[craggy jackal]

Vet chat vet chat

[mighty root]

Give vet some type of stun immunity besides get back in the fight

[sterile basalt]

That would unironically break the game

[mighty root]

Give him twbs

[golden flint]

Plasma pistol

If anybody gets a class exclusive melta gun it'd probably be zealot tbh

[cinder steeple]

Hahaha

Give me shredder auto on ogryn

[sterile basalt]

I’m pretty sure if vet had twice as much ranged damage as he does now he can one mag any boss in any difficulty with boltgun

One mag plague ogryn in h40

8 shots to kill plague ogryn in damnation/auric

[cinder steeple]

That would be 100K dmg then

[sterile basalt]

Smth like that

[golden flint]

The boltguns are immensely satisfying so I wouldn't complain

[sterile basalt]

Yea, totally possible

Rn u can already build vet to 1 mag 60k+ vs unyielding

[mighty root]

I still wish infiltrate would be replaced with a nade launcher

[sterile basalt]

Nah

Deathstrike missile

[golden flint]

I think nade launcher should just be an equippable weapon tbh

[sterile basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[cinder steeple]

Vet aura for increased suppression

[sterile basalt]

Honestly irrelevant

[mighty root]

What does it do?

[cinder steeple]

And fatshark would call me the messiah

[sterile basalt]

Obliterates the entire map + 14 other hab blocks nearby

It’s essentially a nuclear ICBM but 40k

[obsidian prairie]

Please no

We do not need more infinite cleave

[frosty herald]

vet throws a virus bomb as his ability

[frosty herald]

vet vengeance launcher

[mighty root]

Yeah he needs that arbys dog can become a icbm

[cinder steeple]

Cleave aura

[sterile basalt]

Nah

[cinder steeple]

Fine. The truly busted. Impact strength

[golden flint]

Considering a lot of other special weapons like the plasma gun or the flamethrower are regular secondaries in darktide I don't think a GL would be that out of place, especially for the ex-guardsman class

[sterile basalt]

Also nah

[obsidian prairie]

Does a weakspot aura exist

[frosty herald]

you throw a deathstrike missile at a hive city in sm2

[sterile basalt]

Impact changes things in unintuitive ways

[frosty herald]

how the hive city is still standing after being nuked i have no clue

[obsidian prairie]

It wouldn’t be at all, but it would be infinite cleave on an infinite ammo class

[sterile basalt]

Cleave as an aura would be a bit too good

[obsidian prairie]

Which would be Bad™

[golden flint]

Why's it have to be infinite cleave

[obsidian prairie]

Explosion

[sterile basalt]

I wrote sway & recoil reduction as an aura replacement for survivalist, and to make survivalist vet’s base kit (always passively active) with 3s CD instead of 5s and only giving ammo to veteran themselves

[golden flint]

Oh

[obsidian prairie]

Area of Effect

[golden flint]

Idk does it matter that much if it was weak for beefy enemies?

[obsidian prairie]

Yes

It matters

[sterile basalt]

Rager blender 9000

Also stagger

[obsidian prairie]

Purgatus is bad against crushers

[spare talon]

rumbler exists

and thats a gl

[obsidian prairie]

It also will trash clear the map

[obsidian prairie]

And this horrific monstrosity I had refrained from mentioning

[spare talon]

and its one of the most butt fuck busted things in the game currently

[golden flint]

I c

[frosty herald]

grenade gauntlet is also a grenade launcher

actualy

[obsidian prairie]

It has no real AOE though

[frosty herald]

give vet the trollhammer torpedo

[spare talon]

but functionally you dont use it like one

[obsidian prairie]

It’s ogryn revolver

[spare talon]

its aoe is super tiny and does almost no damage
its functionally a special sniper due to its draw speed and impact damage

[golden flint]

Besides that I'd just give veteran a plasma pistol and the backpack fed lasguns and autoguns the gunners use tbh if it's that starved for weapon variety

[sterile basalt]

I think changing its damage falloff radius would be nice

Max damage within blast center
Falloff to low value at like 4m or smth
After that enemies can be hit but take no damage, only stagger

And do the same thing for flame weapons

[spare talon]

veteran isnt starved in weapon variety

[mighty root]

I think it being an ability would balance it out

[frosty herald]

Eeeeeee

[spare talon]

its starved in good weapon variety

[mighty root]

If it were to happen

[sterile basalt]

Past certain range u do 0 damage and don’t apply DOT

[frosty herald]

In the melee departement he is

[sterile basalt]

Vet just doesn’t have a lot of “good weapons”

Especially for melee

[golden flint]

That's kinda the point no? It's the ranged guy class

[mighty root]

You will use power sword and you will like it

[spare talon]

vet has a few good ones
a few decent ones
and a lot of bad ones

[sterile basalt]

4 choices
And if u don’t like running away from problems that drops to 2

[spare talon]

this applies to melee and ranged

[cinder steeple]

Ds4 sapper shovel knife

[mighty root]

That’s psyker

[frosty herald]

Taxe on vet is also good

[sterile basalt]

The sneak there is impeccable

[mighty root]

Narp there more

[golden flint]

Dunno vets thing always seemed to be the gun guy while zealot is the melee guy

Psyker is a wizard

[cinder steeple]

Vet is actually also a melee guy

[mighty root]

Vet is weapon swapping guy

[spare talon]

vet is a generalist

[mighty root]

[craggy jackal]

Every char is a melee guy

[cinder steeple]

Nerf reaper melee dmg

[golden flint]

Zealot is moar melee generic dude while vet is moar gun generic dude is how the game kinda spins it

[spare talon]

zealot is a melee damage dealer
arbites (was intended to be) a melee/ranged frontliner
ogryn (was intended to be) the space maker
and psyker is the class where you need to take a good long look in the mirror and ask what youre doing with your life

[mighty root]

Have you tried dodging the very telegraphed slow attack

[golden flint]

Ogryn make space by making the enemies taking up space stop existing

[spare talon]

the entire right side is melee leaning in the talent tree

and the middle is just generic that doent apply to one or the other

[frosty herald]

was intended to be

Guh

[mighty root]

I used to be a trauma staff gremlin

[golden flint]

I guess? Most of vets stuff is focused on ranged though. Zealot has a lot of gun perks in the middle tree but it's still the basic melee focused class

[spare talon]

i say that cuz both are just fuckin broken

[cinder steeple]

I was a purg vent enjoyer

[frosty herald]

Fatshark putting an extra 0 to all playtester changes

[cinder steeple]

Then I learned I could have the same dmg and be the tankiest

[mighty root]

Only I time I play psyker is vent purg or melee psyker

Mostly melee psyker

[modern lintel]

vet no longer exist in coles vision yea its joever

[golden flint]

Psyker is a wizard and wizards are cringe

[mighty root]

I’m afraid of what the zealot rework will do to him

[spare talon]

zealot has a grand total of 3 ranged specific talents in the middle, and the tree as a whole
veteran has 5 melee specific talents on the right side, 8 if you include keystone ones

[cinder steeple]

95% dr

New zealot

[mighty root]

Hope they bake in until death or twbs

[ripe quest]

Based design is Zealot is aggressive small dude and vet is a weapon specialist

[cinder steeple]

Zealot should then be the shortest class

[frosty herald]

How many MELEE specific talents does zealot have

NOT damage

No global damage or attack speed

Just melee

[cinder steeple]

Sustain

[mighty root]

Atleast 2

[cinder steeple]

Duelist

Disdain

Uhh

[golden flint]

There's four in the middle tree plus that one on the right tree that reduces recoil and spread when dodging

[ripe quest]

Like 6 non-damage non-core-talent talents.

[cinder steeple]

Backstabbed

[frosty herald]

Duelist is global damage

[cinder steeple]

Oh damn

[spare talon]

11

excluding keystones

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-pinocchio-gif-8034685000585713923

[spare talon]

tbh if you included keystones, itd still be 12

because only base martyrdom is melee specific

[golden flint]

Weapon specialist just means "gun guy" in practice

[spare talon]

it really doesnt

[golden flint]

wdym

[obsidian prairie]

They specialize in weapons

[frosty herald]

Weapon specialist is melee ranged

[cinder steeple]

Zealot specializes in holding literature

[ripe quest]

If damage is included you get 12 non-core talent melee-specific talents

[golden flint]

The book ability with no book

[ripe quest]

Well like if you think about what a Veteran is, they'd probably have sets of weapons they're good at

[sterile basalt]

That hasn’t been true for over a year

[ripe quest]

so that could be groups of both melee/ranged weapons

[spare talon]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3rZoCgub2Xw

[frosty herald]

The mastiff is the smartest one here

[spare talon]

i fucking love how absolutely stupid this arby personality is

[spare talon]

he is just so naive

[sterile basalt]

For the last year+, vet has been the melee/ranged hybrid guy

Psyker is the ranged class

[frosty herald]

Omw nuking the boss with force greatsword

[obsidian prairie]

This just reads as sarcasm to me

[spare talon]

it isnt

[mighty root]

Atoma is in good hands

[spare talon]

hes built like a fridge

[frosty herald]

Maul is just very blunt

[spare talon]

physically and mentally

[frosty herald]

And thick headed

[sterile basalt]

Not as fast as gun psyker

Psyker is just mainly ranged

[mighty root]

Isn’t he the one that he’s hounded by the loner for not having a father

[spare talon]

almost like every veteran build grabs these talents because they are just that good and important, and only 1 of them is applicable to guns

[spare talon]

what

[mighty root]

You haven’t heard?

One second

[sterile basalt]

Nah a bunch of people play left/middle exclusively and pretend right side doesn’t exist

[golden flint]

Isn't that just doodoofart balance rather than intentional design of the entire class?

[spare talon]

and they are wrong and stoopid

[frosty herald]

Thats authoritarian

[spare talon]

its a failure of the tree structure

[frosty herald]

Ogryn and arbites have the best tree structure

[obsidian prairie]

Vet tree is gen 2 which means it approaches ok but fails

[spare talon]

but it does exemplify just how important and good some of their melee stuff is

even on ranged focused builds

[mighty root]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-RXe86Xbbq4?si=BGHYttGlxsc25a4i

[golden flint]

Arbitrators are mostly douchenozzles in general to the rejects, fanatic loves the hell out of them and they shit talk him constantly

[spare talon]

not to mention the literal weapon specialist keystone is right within reach, and is insane value for just 1 talent more

[spare talon]

yeah i remember this one (i saw it early )
i just forgot about that line

[mighty root]

Dude why would I use my melee in a horde “shooter” im using recon vet big damage speed build I found on gameslantern

[frosty herald]

ATTEND MALCADOR'S WORD

[jagged cradle]

delete that gif please

[spare talon]

no

[golden flint]

Ogrynposting

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/turth-nuke-subway-subway-slammer-truth-gif-14553086513468849421

[jagged cradle]

atleast this one is funny

|| i’m brain rotted ||

[cinder steeple]

I just got flash banged

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/safijiva-safitrue-monster-hunter-truth-nuke-safi-nuke-gif-16958081128449616610

[mighty root]

Everytime I hear I’m running a speed , burn, support, revive build I seize up and shake violently

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206466559672188928/1355238942118510865/Sigle.gif

[spare talon]

the starting clip of the ogryn video is from a video i love
this is what originally happens in the original instead of truth nuke

[jagged cradle]

do you have the link to the original

[mighty root]

He must be stopped

[spare talon]

https://youtu.be/VyI9vbLuenY?si=-WGwnKIf3t0m_7G2

highly edited in the best way

[jagged cradle]

oh i watch this guy all the time

[mighty root]

@spare talon I wish blazing piety had the crits give stacks built into it

[copper hawk]

Who is this twink

[mighty root]

I do love stalwart

[frosty herald]

Cica did not play lies of peak

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-lop-pinocchio-lies-of-p-p-p-lies-of-p-gif-9662625293062647286

[mighty root]

And it is active every time I need it to be

[ripe quest]

Would also be cool if it were a real keystone instead of just giving you crits.

[mighty root]

Just wish i had moar crit

[mighty root]

Das da fun part doe!

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-hugging-cat-gif-2141433991268507791

[jagged cradle]

actually a pretty good video

[mighty root]

The recon tempts the little vet but it’s play style rots hit brain

[ripe quest]

It could be a crit payoff keystone and it'd be unfathomably based and cool

[copper hawk]

holy twink

[spare talon]

Lies of p is genuinely my favorite souls game, and i consider it on par with sekiro

Its called lies of peak for a reason

[hexed aurora]

I can feel my blood pressure rising trying to do the shocking stuff penance

[stone fern]

yeah its very hard to do without help

[hexed aurora]

anytime ive tried, the rando rumbler ogryn stands next to me and kills any mob bigger than 5 enemies

[stone fern]

even if they didnt I have not seen 40 enemies actually spawn at once outside of havoc

auric is kinda mid rn

[jagged cradle]

it’s alright

[hexed aurora]

and the only times i do get loads of enemies together and im alone, i aint got any grenades

[stone fern]

yea that was the only public penance i needed help with

i had someone die and wait for me in an event while i did loops and killed elites/disablers until enough enemies spawned

[hexed aurora]

i closest ive gotten is 36

[velvet orbit]

my experience with vet is that it's really versatile

like you got good gun perk and melee perk

and anti heavy grenade

or crowd control if you wish

[acoustic dune]

I LOVE PLAYING SM2

HALF MY HEALTH N ALL MY ARMOUR GONE FROM 1 ATTACK

https://tenor.com/view/tgwtg-that-guy-with-the-glasses-doug-walker-point-computer-gif-17022655

[naive stirrup]

armor* but yes

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-walker-fnaf-turning-around-turning-doug-turning-around-gif-23411544

i will and shall create a great creation out of you

[velvet orbit]

what talents are essentially for zealot berserker build

the blue ones

[hushed knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-24644397

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marine-dropkick-black-templar-gif-3633792756769275524

@heady rapids @naive stirrup

whaat take?

[naive stirrup]

not gotten that far but i personally would grab unyielding just for that insurance of "i will fucking kill everything in that direction"

im probably stupid though

(i am level 16 and cannot play with friends because the servers do not load)

[acoustic dune]

i mean its not a basd choice

ill prob plan to take it in the future

but i am also eyeing duelist

and pratice aim

does anyone know if scrambled targeting is any good?

got unyelding for now

prob gonnna get scrambled and duelist later

[heady rapids]

yeaj

[acoustic dune]

thanks pookie for the critism

https://tenor.com/view/poke-cheek-kiss-cute-cat-gif-15556555

[heady rapids]

id take the parry window

abnd tgeb a wepon with more dps

than a fencing wep

or not

but parry window is still nice when you're fighting 10 whips

[acoustic dune]

thought on scranbled targeting?

[heady rapids]

eh

[split jetty]

thoughts on the relic blade MKs?

[halcyon maple]

Is this okay for a heavy evi

[polar nexus]

They slap

[split jetty]

I mean like which Mk to use etc

[violet hornet]

mk10 is generally better vs hordes, mk2 is generally better vs single target. Mk10 is all strikedowns and horizontals sweeps with a couple stabs, mk2 is more varied and has an uppercut heavy that's nice for big single targets

[violet hornet]

this is managable for low havoc (below 20) but you'd probably want to eventually replace it with one that has maxed out damage and dumps mobility entirely

the perks are solid and savage sweep rampage are good blessings if you're not running crit

If you do want to try a crit build, try swapping the blessings for shred and perfect strike

[analog ember]

jack of no trades, master of none

[velvet orbit]

actually

vet is master at anti heavy

plasma gun and krak grenade

[analog ember]

nah

vet doesn't master shit

krak grenades are dogshit

plasma is not efficient against heavy targets

[velvet orbit]

dont disrespect crack like that

[analog ember]

bolter is the better option if you want to shoot carapace

[violet hornet]

yeah, smoke whatever you like

[velvet orbit]

anyway what is better

bolt gun or pistol

for melee build

[analog ember]

if you have tknives

bolt gun

and if you don't have tknives

why are you playing zealot

[velvet orbit]

because uh

i sold my brain

so i can uh

buy arby

[analog ember]

fair

[sullen forge]

Hate to say it but it’s true seeing Ogryn and Psyker simply are better at anti carapace or elite

[velvet orbit]

i commit berserk-psyker

[solar zealot]

what Laspistol mark is the best? and whats the dumpstat then?

[violet hornet]

mk2 is generally considered the better one and looks like dumping stability is recommended

[solar zealot]

and i got a 60% mobility one

damnit

thanks

[violet hornet]

eh it's probably fine to use if you want to try it

depends how much the resources to upgrade it fully cost to you

Most weapons dump mobi but I think that pistol is fast enough you're encouraged to run around with it out

mk10 recommends dumping mobi so you could just keep it as that

[analog ember]

honestly it'd prob make barely any difference

it's like the difference between dumping mob/stab/collat on recon las

hardly matters even if the correct dump is collat

[solar zealot]

good poiint

[weak sage]

the difference is like

0.09? move speed

from 60 to 80

the range isnt super huge

it's such a tiny marginal difference, you're already gonna be zoomin

mk2 definitely feels a lot better

idk I feel the fire rate loss on the mk10 isnt really made up for by its higher damage

[analog ember]

mk10 is only for memeing with deadshit on vet

[weak sage]

tends to be the case with most ranged weapon marks tho

if you wanna deadshot meme surely you'd run something with deadly accurate no?

not a huge list of weapon admittedly

whatever the vraks headhunter is called now

vraks, +9 stamina, deadshot, target down

[solar zealot]

i dont know stats so i dont know is that much lol

stability makes it probably tiny bit easier to use though no

[weak sage]

well the range there is /100 to get the per stat point valie

(0.98-0.53)/5

gives you 20%

honestly I hate how stats are presented here

[solar zealot]

yeah

[weak sage]

I cant believe they've not just changed it already

it feels like red weapons were always meant to come and just havent

[solar zealot]

i still dont get it but i get what you're trying to say

ill keep it

[velvet orbit]

it's more like X/20 than X/100

[weak sage]

okay the sprint speed of the weapon is listed under the mobility stat. mobility stat can be 1-100 (though its capped at 80). If 0.98 is the maximum, and 0.53 is the minimum we know that there are 100 equally sized gaps between the two numbers as that's what each stat provides.

0.98 (maximum) - 0.53 (minimum = 0.45 (the total range)
0.45 (total range) / 100 (the number of stat points) = 0.0045 (the value increase of each point in mobility)
0.0045 x 20 (the difference between 60 and 80 mobility) = 0.09

so... a mobility 80 laspistol will have a sprint speed bonus that is 0.09 faster than mobility 60

It think base run speed is 5.6? and thats before move speed bonusses from skill tree and weapons

so already 0.09 sprint speed is a tiny increase

[solar zealot]

thanks, makes more sense now, i appreciate it

basically stability mobility who gives a frag

[weak sage]

aye, the only reason you'd really dump stability instead is that it also equally doesnt matter

it just

doesn't matter LESS

personally I like more mobility on my weapons anyway ZOOOM

[solar zealot]

ofc, but id rather keep this one than potentially waste 50k more to get more mobility

50k being generous can be much more

[floral grail]

nah dump damage

trust me bro

[solar zealot]

ok ill trust you, random person

no one ever lies on the internet

[floral grail]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[solar zealot]

Thy wrath be swift is recommended in most builds, damn is it really that good?

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-eating-mouth-gif-25224476

look at how swift this wrath is

it's gotta be optimal

[solar zealot]

damn that is fast

wrathful froge

[halcyon maple]

Hmm.. I was running a crit build..

[visual stream]

It's great on slow weapons, can use the points elsewhere on faster weapons

On thunder hammer it's practically* a requirement

[violet hornet]

you can kinda get away without it until you're 1v1 against a cspawn or dh, those two are pretty hard to avoid while charing a heavy for the bonk with only 3 effective dodges

sword captain and rinda are probably similar

[visual stream]

I think they have the exact same everything between sword cap. and Rinda

Probably same with bomb cap. and Rodin

I wouldn't know though because twins isn't fun to me

[weak sage]

feels too expensive for two points, I literally never take it

though I've not played zealot in forever

I should get back in for the bonk stick

dance of death is fun with the bolter but for every other weapon it feels snooze

[violet hornet]

it's nice for brauto and shredder since it turns their hipfire into laser beams

I don't think I've ever used it with a bolter but it makes sense, I hipfire that usually as well

[weak sage]

tbf its not like you really need it with the bolter hipfire

it is more of a like... uhh whats the word

not gimick... idk it's neat but not hyper impactful

theres just usually way more fun shit to grab for the two points thy wrath be swift demands, especially when the bonus you get is sorta just "ah this feels a little better"

[brisk raft]

What's a decent Gun Zealot build?

[misty nova]

Lemme finish this match

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[visual stream]

Why is this little creature always in agony

[south prism]

the chud.......................

[sullen forge]

There’s 2 now

@plush estuary incredibly important discovery

[plush estuary]

Yes

@hard nexus

[south prism]

two whole chuds

[hard nexus]

LOL

[median steeple]

chudlings

clone program

[sullen forge]

Chudling army grows

[median steeple]

whatever go my chudlings

[gaunt peak]

What are the best melee weapons in zealot

I've been waiting to unlock the relic blade cause it sounds awesome

[visual stream]

Almost any but devil's claw

[gaunt peak]

But I've been using the crusher and devil-

[visual stream]

Devil's claw is still fun though xd

And it's usable

So use it if you like it

[gaunt peak]

What's wrong with devil? The parry saved my ass many times

[pure tree]

https://youtu.be/uJYU-JiETjY

[humble dome]

knife duelling sword for the zoomies

[visual stream]

Its armor damage is just horrible, primarily the flak damage being so bad is what holds it back

[gaunt peak]

Fair enough

[visual stream]

It seems as though the weapon was designed to only be usable* when it's parrying

[gaunt peak]

The melees that caught my eyes were the chain greatsword, the thunder hammer, and the relic blade

But I don't wanna have to buy every weapon to test them all

[humble dome]

try relic blade then. its pretty awesome too

[visual stream]

The thunder hammer is great, the evis is pretty good from what I hear, and relic blade is considered one of our strongest options

You can genuinely pick whichever one seems coolest to you and it'll work, provided you build it right

[gaunt peak]

I don't exactly understand what every stat means (or how to get good rolls)

[sullen forge]

Shroudfield

True warrior

[pure tree]

Solo

Solo ten minutes 💀

[visual stream]

The stats mean different things between different weapons, even same stat names can affect one weapon differently from another IIRC

Good rolls are either from Brunt's rotating shop, Melk's store, or from brute force rolling grays at Brunt's Armory

[gaunt peak]

Also what's the best gun? I've been using the combat shotgun as it felt super versatile

High damage, good ammo eco

Can do long and short

[acoustic dune]

maybe the havoc 40

was the friend we made along the way

[visual stream]

With zealot especially, you usually want your gun to solve your melee weapon's weakness. So with thunder hammer, most people would take flamer since that has better horde clear than thammer

[humble dome]

try bolter / flamer

[visual stream]

Bolter is a powerful all-rounder weapon though

[gaunt peak]

Flamer looked weak on paper

[visual stream]

It's very good and very easy

[gaunt peak]

I general handle the single target stuff, our psycher and orgryn do most of the hoard clear

[visual stream]

One habit to break is, generally, this game doesn't work like role-based games like World of Warcraft

So it's best to have a kit that can cover every base

Unless you're on comms with a friend and wanna do that sort of thing

[gaunt peak]

I can clear hoards with my melee just fine, they just do better with the lightning and grenade gauntlet

Also i run flame nades

[visual stream]

If you're liking single target damage, definitely try thunder hammer

[sullen forge]

I wish I was that good…

[gaunt peak]

Oh yeah I only play with my friends

[visual stream]

Must be nice

[gaunt peak]

Ehhhh

Our psycher likes to run off and die

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[visual stream]

Yeah psykers really can't do that unless they have very good game sense and mechanical skill

Or if they run one of psyker's braindead easy builds that define the class' power level alone

[gaunt peak]

Is vet good at all?

I considered vet but I like my melee

[visual stream]

Pretty good, it's decent and has a lot more build diversity than zealot

Zealot is mostly "your melee weapon is your build" unless you want to gimp yourself by missing out on heavily impactful nodes

[misty nova]

Yes and no

[gaunt peak]

Ogryn seems broken but god are they ugly

[visual stream]

Ogryn is one of the classes ever

It is definitely extremely powerful

[gaunt peak]

Im only lvl16 so my build isn't super solid. I got the corruption cleanse aura, and the relic ability

We have been struggling with the second difficulty some, mostly due to how many specials were spawning in some fights but we rarely lose

Last night I had to clutch a nurgle wipe cause a dog hoard killed everyone else so I had to fight off the dogs and the boss and I somehow did it

[visual stream]

I'm trying my best to refrain from showing you the curse of The Build

But honestly it won't matter too much until you get to higher difficulties
For now, enjoy learning the game and trying what makes you happy 💪

[gaunt peak]

I think the relic ability is good for team play

[visual stream]

Even in higher difficulties, everything works so it still doesn't matter THAT much

[humble dome]

take until death and you are set

saves you from dying once every 120 seconds

[gaunt peak]

Our ogryn runs taunt so we just stack the damage boosts and nuke a boss

[visual stream]

Relic's power scales higher with how competent your teammates are

If your team is stupid stinky, all it does is pause what is happening and give everyone golden toughness

But if they're good, it's a room wipe

Every time you use it

[hearty nebula]

i do think its funny tho that they went from objectively worst to objectively most fucking busted

[sullen forge]

Objectively I feel like it’s more they just are

[visual stream]

Ogryn chat doomposting about rework ruining everything before it dropped

[hearty nebula]

yeah... thats what objectively means

[visual stream]

Top five darktide moments

[hearty nebula]

gale u upid...

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-eggman-never-goon-meme-my-reaction-to-that-information-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-16854505359558043895

[hearty nebula]

[void bison]

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-goon-gif-5902471035652079804

[acoustic dune]

what happen to the other half

did you cut the frog into yog

not cool man

[median steeple]

coal alam

[sullen forge]

@void bison

HOA more like- nuke them. Nuke them from orbit.

[visual stream]

Making a bat roost to own HOA

[gaunt peak]

What exactly are wounds

Are those good?

Why does this passive give me wounds

[misty nova]

Health segments

[gaunt peak]

Wait, so I get more health for more wounds?

Or it just breaks it up more

[misty nova]

No you don't get more health

It just divides it

Giving you more downs

[gaunt peak]

Oh

I honestly don't go down much

Hmm

[misty nova]

That's for Martyrdom build

Which is a strong build

But you gotta use wounds

[gaunt peak]

Yeah not a fan of being at low health since I'm usually in the thick of it

plus I've already built for my HP with my curio

Also the demon thing

Do we get anything for beating it?

Or does it just show up, obliterate someone and fuck off

[analog ember]

a sense of pride and accomplishment

[gaunt peak]

I legitimately couldn't outrun it

[misty nova]

You get an achievement

Once

That's it

[plush estuary]

you arent meant to

it teleports

[misty nova]

Avoid it if you can

[gaunt peak]

Got it

[dry hinge]

It’s basically sleeping. Don’t wake it up.

Like witch from l4d2

[craggy jackal]

Demonhost is a punishment boss you aren’t supposed to wake it up

[plush estuary]

witch LFD

https://tenor.com/view/witch-l4d-left4dead-l4dwitch-gif-17209249162550209107

[gaunt peak]

Got it

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/birdman-hand-rub-thinking-dance-gif-17449632

[maiden yoke]

well yikes. pre build a weapon update i was quite proud of it

[gaunt peak]

Should I maximize my HP or toughness?

[golden flint]

Does shroudfield make you invisible to enemies?

[plush estuary]

toughness

if you want to read into more zealot and game stuff I have a guide that does a quick overview of a few things

like enemies, curios, weapon/talent setups

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16W_MhzUGXv9WRVjXjowIyqlktqrJ8U5wxVlgX3X5TU8/edit?tab=t.0

and some other misc stuff

[gaunt peak]

So probably do toughness base then HP and toughness perks on my curios

Also thinking about swapping off my corruption cleanse aura cause it doesn't seem to be super useful

Also what 2 20% buffs are best to throw on my weapons?

Flak maybe?

[plush estuary]

flak + unyield/maniac can never go wrong is usually the best perks to use

[gaunt peak]

Got it

[gaunt roost]

me when i sprint through everything and abuse spawn mechanics

[gaunt peak]

Do armored ragers still take the extra damage from maniac

[plush estuary]

from the guide

[gaunt peak]

Ah, they are carapace

Hmm

[plush estuary]

on their chest

which you shouldnt aim for anyways

[gaunt peak]

Yeah but in the heat of a group with melee

[plush estuary]

since headshots are always better besides some cases with maulers

[plush estuary]

always aim headlevel

a really good habit

[gaunt peak]

I try

[plush estuary]

its easier to do if you have medium-max height

[golden flint]

Maniac enemy isn't maniac??

[gaunt peak]

Also for bolt pistol, what damage roll should I be looking for?

[plush estuary]

only maniacs are dreg ragers and specials

[golden flint]

That's goofy

[visual stream]

A black ops 2 post, I am home

[golden flint]

Goofy ahh armor type system

[visual stream]

Yeah, it really only gets mileage in havoc

[plush estuary]

non havoc missions have so few sources of corruption bacon rarely gets any use

[gaunt peak]

Mmm bacon

[visual stream]

So you mean to tell me the normal soldier flamer is maniac but the dreg cultist guy screaming about the truth and throwing exploding human heads is unarmored

[golden flint]

Apparently

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[golden flint]

Idk why maniac is even a type

[gaunt roost]

i feel like theres more cases where bodyshots are better than headshots with maulers than vice versa

[grizzled aspen]

Now to throw you another curveball, plogryns and burgles are unyielding.

One would think they'd be infested, but nope.

[gaunt peak]

.

Also I assume the best way to farm rolls is buy the random low tiers?

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[golden flint]

I just assumed infested meant squishy zombie duders anyways

[plush estuary]

usually ranged weapons dont want to headshot maulers

[grizzled aspen]

Dump collateral on bolt pistol.

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah one of the chaff enemies and dogs are the only infested enemies in the game, terrible armor type.

[ripe quest]

It's rather funny w/ melee weapons as you still have the weakspot priority hitting the head for you.

[gaunt peak]

Wait plague ogryn isn't.....a infested enemy?

[grizzled aspen]

Nope!

[gaunt peak]

The fuck

[golden flint]

It's just the crummy basic zombie guys isn't it? Only reason I could see to use damage bonus to infested is on like a gun like flamethrowers or something for clearing them out faster

[grizzled aspen]

All bosses except captains, including daemonhosts, are unyielding.

[visual stream]

They already die fast enough with any weapon in the game

[grizzled aspen]

The only weapon that takes infested damage (and I don't know if it still does since they got buffed) is one of the ogryn cleavers.

[visual stream]

The benefit of not using infested is that you don't miss out on ACTUALLY good perks like flak, maniac, cara, unyielding

[golden flint]

Maniac just seems pointless in general, why not have specialists use other types like unarmored or flak or whatever for different body parts

[plush estuary]

why use a perk to maybe save 1 ammo on trash when you can have a perk that can make your flamer clear even armor hordes (flak + Maniac)

[golden flint]

Right

[visual stream]

I wonder how fast trash horde clear would be with infested on different weapons

[plush estuary]

maniac is really only used for ranged weapon 1 shot for specials

and some weapons for dreg ragers

[craggy jackal]

Don’t most melee weapons also take flakiac

[plush estuary]

maniac is also useful for newer players on their ranged weapon for anti dreg rager

[craggy jackal]

If not unyielding

[plush estuary]

this reason

but on melee

faster clear on dangerous enemy

thats what you want for perks

flak always then whatever you want dead faster

[golden flint]

Okay at least mutants count as maniacs lmao

[craggy jackal]

If you are confident with rager attack patterns you just always take unyielding then?

[spring fractal]

what's carapace doin here, bro thinks he's on the team

[plush estuary]

Yeah

or if your ranged has good anti rager

[spring fractal]

some melee's i like maniac just cause i hate mutants

[pale spindle]

Carapace be like:

[spring fractal]

but usually if they don't have a better option to take

[ripe quest]

Depends on the weapon's cleave profile a fair bit but usually it is an improvement. It's just that single target weapons would rather have other perks, and crowd clear weapons don't need it to be good at crowd clear.

[golden flint]

I usually just stick extra damage to elites on instead of specific armor types tbh

[spring fractal]

on melee weapons the good perks are usually some combo of Flak/Maniac/Elites/Unyielding; the times where Carapace is actually the pick is a lot less than people insist on taking the perk

if you're not playing auric's or higher tho i wouldn't even bother with unyielding

[misty nova]

Depends on the weapon

Chainsword don't need it

Evis15 don't need it

[golden flint]

I don't get why there's so many different armor types to begin with? It seems unecessary and inconsistent

[misty nova]

Combat Axe don't need it

[spring fractal]

to differentiate enemies and weapons

[misty nova]

Might help Chainaxe since it sucks against unarmored/infested

[ripe quest]

To make weapons good at specific groups of targets.

[misty nova]

A chainsaw sucking against unarmored is crazy

[golden flint]

Yeah but like it's near impossible to know half this shit without looking at a wiki spreadsheet

[spring fractal]

spend time hitting shit in the psykanium and you'll see the armor types

[golden flint]

I would rather not

[grizzled aspen]

That's why we have a psykhanium.

You are literally taught in the tutorial to go there and experiment.

[gaunt peak]

I never got a answer on the bolter damage roll question

[golden flint]

Like how the hell are you supposed to tell that the head armor of a mauler is carapace while the body is flak lmao

[grizzled aspen]

Was it boltgun or bolt pistol?

[grizzled aspen]

Hit them. It tells you.

[spring fractal]

by hitting it in the psykanium

[golden flint]

No

[plush estuary]

yes

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, quite literally.

[spring fractal]

people not wanting to go into the psykanium is unironically like 40% of the reason people dont want to use anything other dueling sword 🥀

[golden flint]

Nah im good

[grizzled aspen]

You are taught to use the psykhanium in the tutorial.

[golden flint]

Cuz that's boring and lame lmao

[misty nova]

Bruh

[golden flint]

I want to play the videogame, not test goofy ass armor mehanics

[craggy jackal]

How would you prefer information be distilled to you

[grizzled aspen]

If you choose not to use it then cry about information being beyond you, that's a you problem.

[golden flint]

I'm saying the armor system itself is stupid

[median steeple]

psykanium is wrong on some things unless the newer patches fixed it

[spring fractal]

have you not gone into the psykanium walking around hitting things to learn weapon combos

[grizzled aspen]

It's really not.

[golden flint]

I learn weapon combos by using them in missions

[grizzled aspen]

It's a good method of adding in drawbacks to weapons.

[golden flint]

It's not done well

[grizzled aspen]

Case and point, vigilant autoguns are really good until you point them at maniac armor.

[golden flint]

Hence, shit like infested and maniacs

[grizzled aspen]

Without maniac + elite damage, it takes almost full mag to the head to kill a dreg rager.

Everything else (except carapace for obvious reasons), vigilant is great at killing.

[plush estuary]

even agiasnt cara its actually okay

considering ranged weapons shouldnt be able to deal with cara

bar zarona/bolter

[golden flint]

It's fine in theory but in practice most of this shit is inconsistent as hell lol

[craggy jackal]

Not sure if inconsistent is the most accurate word

[grizzled aspen]

Anywho, armor types are good and are introduced organically through the psykhanium to the player, people just don't touch the psykhanium because "it's lame."

[golden flint]

Like, imo I should be able to tell what is flak or carapace or unyielding etc. just by looking at the enemy's body parts generally

[grizzled aspen]

The only thing psykhanium doesn't allow you to test is damage with disrupt destiny stacks and EO stacks.

Everything else works.

[hushed knoll]

HI FROGCAST

[grizzled aspen]

It's still not super great.

[craggy jackal]

Or dodge talent buffs

[grizzled aspen]

But it's hilarious that you can kill a crusher faster than a dreg rager assuming all headshots and no damage perks vs them.

[hushed knoll]

Zarona shotgun deals with cara?

[grizzled aspen]

True, can't test duellist breakpoints in vanilla psykhanium.

[craggy jackal]

Zarona revolver

[golden flint]

Like ragers and mutants being maniacs makes sense, boss enemies having unyielding makes sense, but there's no discirnible way to tell at a glance what part of an enemy is carapace and what part is flak, they both just look like the same kind of armor

[grizzled aspen]

The revolver, Stanthony.

[hushed knoll]

Oh

[visual stream]

Some weapons use carapace gang

Are you crazy

[misty nova]

Not sure about carapace
But it absolutely dispatch unyielding

[grizzled aspen]

Go light attack a crusher, or a maulers head, or a scab ragers body, then go light attack a scab shotgunner.

[plush estuary]

armored, then flak, heavy armor cara, no armor either maniac or unarmored

[grizzled aspen]

You can hear the difference.

[plush estuary]

ogryn and boss unyield

[grizzled aspen]

Your weapon will make a ping sound when you hit carapace with lights.

Same sound it makes when you dink a bulwark's shield.

[spring fractal]

like?

[visual stream]

Yeah, definitely not good to put it on regardless, but wondering if it would go through havoc poxwalkers like a lawnmower with the right weapons

For funny

[grizzled aspen]

Crusher, hammer, mk15 evisc for crusher chain killing with bt.

[golden flint]

Right but then you have stuff like maulers where the head is carapace but the rest is flak, but you can't see the difference without hitting the thing in that spot

[grizzled aspen]

Several ogryn weapons for crusher 1tap breakpoints.

Namely pickaxe.

[spring fractal]

carapace on the crusher 😭

that's what im talkin about man

[grizzled aspen]

That's the point of experimenting in the psykhanium, dingus.

[visual stream]

Kills crushers faster on a weapon that can use it, I don't see the issue

[craggy jackal]

Since when does crusher take cara

[visual stream]

And yeah carapace is a permanent perk for thammer

[spring fractal]

not arguing on thammer yeah

[grizzled aspen]

Since it has no issues with flak, unarmored, or maniac breakpoints.

[visual stream]

Idk about crusher on zealot but it's neat to kill crushers faster on arby

[golden flint]

If you have to pick apart individual body parts of enemies like that I don't think it's a well executed system

[grizzled aspen]

Unyielding let's it oneshot ogryns with h1 and cara let's it kill crushers and maulers faster with headshots.

[spring fractal]

it has even less justification on arbites bro 😭

[golden flint]

Is there some special attributes to unyielding and maniac? Like staggering the enemy or whatever

[grizzled aspen]

Nope, it has even more.

[visual stream]

On a weapon that isn't breakpoint dependent, you can choose which enemies you want to die faster

[spring fractal]

gotta put carapace on every melee weapon so you can kill the most dangerous enemy in the game: the crusher

[visual stream]

Strawman

[golden flint]

Actually are the enemy type and armor type perks multiplicative?

[spring fractal]

they're base dmg

[golden flint]

So additive

[spring fractal]

they're pretty significant

[ripe quest]

Vigilant Autoguns have a pretty low maniac/unyielding ADM but this isn't true.

[misty nova]

They buffed Maniacs on the helby when Vigilants are the ones needing

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

What's the recommended scoreboard mod again?

[solar gorge]

none

death to modding

[misty nova]

No mods with that name

Sorry man

[solar gorge]

If you install a mod I will manifest my tulpa in your house

[gaunt peak]

Bolt pistol, I don't think I get bolt gun?

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/tulpa-dean-supernatural-funny-gif-21676573

Hope you got 3 of those

[grizzled aspen]

If it's bolt pistol, I got nothing. I don't use it on zealout, only on vet and psyker.

[solar gorge]

my tulpa solo's fiction btw

[gaunt peak]

I was told it's the best gun outside of flamer for me

[misty nova]

Average SCP unity

[gaunt peak]

And since I have flame nades I don't see a point in doing flamer

Plus I like doing big damage

[craggy jackal]

The melt a boss gun is the boltgun

[misty nova]

They are radically different but yeah I can see why

[craggy jackal]

The bolt pistol is kinda like an exploding revolver

Dump collateral on both

[gaunt peak]

Wait....I do get boltgun on zealot?

[craggy jackal]

Yeah

[gaunt peak]

Oh

What rank, I thought I had all my guns unlocked

[craggy jackal]

Couldn’t tell you

But it’s there

Check mastery tab to see for yourself

[ripe quest]

Power DI is pretty funny.

Build your own scoreboard with legos and lua

[misty nova]

Will I need any addon for it

[ripe quest]

It's standalone to my knowledge.

[misty nova]

Yeah seems like it

I'm looking at tag counters and shit

Eh seems like I'll be here for a while

💀

[solar gorge]

which scorboard is best to take screenshots of so I can prove to everyone else my teammates were dogshit ?

[craggy jackal]

The one with green circles

[solar gorge]

copy

re-installing vt2

[misty nova]

RickAndMortis

What a mod name

[solar gorge]

awful

god would've never allowed this

[misty nova]

Allows me to use indulgences on psykhanium

[golden flint]

So they're added to base damage so multiplied by talent perks and buffs?

[misty nova]

And psyk has infinite ammo/grenade replenishment

Can I set my PC on fire with infinite Oggy boxes

Should I

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[hushed knoll]

Hi Lambda ily

[solar gorge]

hello Taco

[hushed knoll]

How is das Leben in Germantown

OwO

[solar gorge]

goodbye stan

[hushed knoll]

WHY

????

[visual stream]

Lamby is full of hatred today Stan

It's not your fault

[golden flint]

It's all their fault actually

[hushed knoll]

[ripe quest]

I like it since I can make custom rows. Can also do silly stuff like have the column headers be enemy names and show how much damage each dealt to each player

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/poke-attack-attacka-sucklet-green-sucklet-gif-3568320064739637051

[gaunt roost]

captains aren’t unyielding?

[golden flint]

[hushed knoll]

This is not valid

[ripe quest]

Flak. Twins are carapace, flak, unarmored.

Also the shields are their own armor type.

[golden flint]

NRG

[ripe quest]

Just play Mortis and do this to randoms.

[misty nova]

It keeps score of suppression

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

[golden flint]

Okay so unyielding and maniac are just armor types right? They don't have anything to do with actual enemy behavior like resistance to being staggered or anything?

Like how dreg ragers are hard to stagger

[gaunt peak]

I just got a 49 base roll for my boltgun, that good enough?

[misty nova]

Is it 49/80?

[gaunt peak]

Yesh

Also accidentally bought another one that was 53/80

[craggy jackal]

The only thing you need to pay attention to is the maximum stat

[misty nova]

As long as it's x/80 on all the correct stats

[golden flint]

What's the difference

[misty nova]

Then yeah it's good

[craggy jackal]

One of the stats will have a maximum of 60

You want that stat to be the least impactful stat

[misty nova]

Yeah just armor type

[gaunt peak]

It was a stability 60 on it

[craggy jackal]

You want collateral to be 60

For boltguns

[gaunt peak]

Bleh I ran out of gold

What should my 60 for relic be

[craggy jackal]

Don’t worry you’ll get more

Mobility

If you check the pins you’ll see a message called “dump stats”

Those are the stats you want to be 60 for all zealot weapons

[gaunt peak]

I'm one away from getting 150k gold

For the inferno missons

[golden flint]

Okay so like, in that case maniac and unyielding and infested make sense as the exposed body parts on enemies that are either super drugged up (ragers, mutants) or super beefy (ogryn, bosses), or super corrupted by nurgle's plagues

[ripe quest]

It does. There are two sets of ADMs, one for damage and one for stagger. Each enemy has a stagger table (how much stagger is required for each state of stagger) and also some stagger resistances.

The latter is usually the most impactful, weapons aren't setup to just not work against an armor type stagger-wise typically.

[golden flint]

Main inconsistency I have a problem with is just carapace and flak not being super distinguishable then, and maybe stuff like scab flamers armor not actually counting as flak unlike scab ragers

[hollow meteor]

Also enemies are harder to stagger mid-attack

Some enemies also get a stagger immunity when "fully" staggered to recover, like Crushers getting knocked down and then getting up

[golden flint]

Like this just looks like a shitty welding mask, hard to tell it's carapace without poking it with specific weapons in the psyckharium, can't be that hard to give carapace armor some distinguishing feature like different armor color or something

[hearty nebula]

arms + head carap

everything else = flak

for maulers

you aint gonna notice those difference anyways in the thick of it

[golden flint]

It's just the head

[hearty nebula]

yea just head whatev

[sullen forge]

I’m pretty sure once you shoot it once and see a blue hit marker

[golden flint]

Mf you the one trying to correct me

[sullen forge]

You’ll instantly take note to avoid the area

[hearty nebula]

same difference

[golden flint]

Genuinely had no idea because I usually just hit them with melee shit

[craggy jackal]

As you should

[sullen forge]

Blue means ineffective which is usually exclusively carapace hits

[hearty nebula]

guns are for the faithless

[golden flint]

Right but I don't recall ever seeing it when attacking maulers

[sullen forge]

Cause it’s literally everywhere minus head that’s flak

[golden flint]

Exactly!

[sullen forge]

Crushers are 100% carapace

Bulwarks are arms and legs

Reapers are their right shoulder pad which they shockingly use to defend themselves when suppressed

[hearty nebula]

me when the game is designed

[golden flint]

Crushers are obvious, bulwarks you aim for the squishy flesh area, easy to figure out it's unyielding there since they're ogryns. Maulers? Bro is wearing a welding mask, why's that stronger than his flak armor

[hollow meteor]

Scab Rager chests are carapace

[golden flint]

Mfw chainaxe wielding maniac isn't a maniac

[rocky gull]

i was about to say “why” then realized you were talking about scabs not dregs lol

[hollow meteor]

They used to be only Flak but now the chest armor is carapace as of.. Nightmares and Visions iirc

[golden flint]

I get plague ogryns being unyielding since they're bosses but like there's so few places where infested is useful as it is

[hollow meteor]

Monstrosities, reapers, and bulwarks, at least the parts that aren't armored

Captains are Flak iirc

[golden flint]

Have the twins related missions been added back into rotation yet or are they stuck as campaign only for the time being?

[sullen forge]

I completely forget cause I’m always aiming for their heads and they just fucking die

Immediately

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-pixie-frog-african-bullfrog-yum-yum-gif-5369481946509749501