zealot-class

[ornate bone]

Stuff like bodyshotting a trapper or a flamer just to limit my exposure to a horde

Or one of the coolest yet: agri slug to open bulwarks

[worldly agate]

slab shield

[sterile basalt]

Rashad has maybe 20x the complexity of DS4 💀

[worldly agate]

well I guess slab shield let's u time your special to block everything for no stam cost

[sacred jay]

Open bulwarks completely localized to your missions

[sterile basalt]

Yea no, still far more complex than DS4

[craggy jackal]

Use ds2 it’s prettier

[ornate bone]

Are we talking Rashad's complexity as in the breakpoints and stuff? I don't remember the moveset being anything memorable

[worldly agate]

is block canceling existing more complex than dueling sword

[copper hawk]

Ur a lil rage baiter

[ornate bone]

DS2 has faster lights and I'll keep saying it until someone proves me wrong (I can't prove I'm right )

[copper hawk]

1 point 4 whatever u want

[craggy jackal]

This mf is pressing light on a dueling sword

[carmine falcon]

Fun fact I love evis Mk3 before buffs!

[sterile basalt]

Yes

[spring fractal]

use this my son

[carmine falcon]

I think I pinged mewo before billion times

[spring fractal]

defences dump 🥀

[carmine falcon]

Asking about it

[copper hawk]

Or this

[carmine falcon]

Blessings and stuff

[craggy jackal]

Taking swift certainty lol

[copper hawk]

Crusher has good finesse scaling on a few attacks

[spring fractal]

it's for ideological anti-CDR reasons

[sacred jay]

Im so used to not run swift certainty

[copper hawk]

swift certainty 🥀

No desperation 🥀 🥀

[sacred jay]

It feels weird when i run it

[ornate bone]

I kept reading swift certainty as that carpal tunnel weapon talent from VT2

Fucking uhhh swift slaying

[ebon fox]

The talent that counts sprinting as dodging… does that mean if I sprint I don’t get hit by gunfire? It doesn’t seem like that’s the case

[spring fractal]

no

pretend that sentence doesn't exist

it does functionally nothing

it's +5% sprint speed

[copper hawk]

Emphasis on functionally

Dont erm achktually them

[craggy jackal]

You need to also be sprinting at an angle to the bullets

[copper hawk]

I know some1 is gonna do it

Dont be That Guy

[craggy jackal]

But thats how sprinting works

[worldly agate]

why do u take that keystone at the far right

left better

[spring fractal]

desperation on the crusher kinda cute ngl i might try that, but i typically try to avoid gassing myself of stamina on this class, if arbites had that shit i'd be using that shit all the tim

[craggy jackal]

IJ is fine though

[copper hawk]

Backstab cdr is also generally not utilized ever

[copper hawk]

Why

[sacred jay]

Running kantarel lasgun on my relic zealot

[copper hawk]

I never block

Ever

[sacred jay]

[copper hawk]

And i still have shit tons of stamina

Zeal has the best stam recovery of all the human classes

[spring fractal]

for attack speed which the crusher really likes, and to justfiy not taking IoD which i hate with a burning passion

[copper hawk]

This is where my opinion bleeds into the reality of the game but

[spring fractal]

the dmg is nice too

[copper hawk]

Cuz of stam regens so quickly on Zeal i uh

[worldly agate]

wait that one give u attack speed

[ornate bone]

Do they have different stamina recovery too?

[spring fractal]

yeah

[worldly agate]

hmmm

[copper hawk]

Think it's totally worthless to take stam or stam regen

[ornate bone]

I thought it was just delay

[craggy jackal]

Did you read the keystone

[spring fractal]

it also has hidden dodge bonuses

[copper hawk]

Classes differ on stam regen and stam regen delay

[worldly agate]

I forgor

[spring fractal]

that arent in the tooltip

[craggy jackal]

It also improves your dodges

[copper hawk]

Better for crusher

[worldly agate]

there is a talent right before that keystone that gives you free attack speed though so maybe that satiated me at the time

[copper hawk]

Crusher isnt a crit weapon

Improves dodges

[copper hawk]

Reduces timer between dodges

Buffs dodges

Reset timer is faster

[spring fractal]

its not bad with crit but yeah

[worldly agate]

oh that's why I never used it

[craggy jackal]

This one is before martyrdom

[sacred jay]

I just use inexorable when i want to buff my gun

[copper hawk]

More damage due to the crusher only having like 1 or 2 attacks that scale off crit

[worldly agate]

I thought it was going to be one of those keystones where u get max potential from it for doing nothing

[copper hawk]

The push attack and something else

[worldly agate]

like ogryns

and arbites

[copper hawk]

It's a low dodge weapon so it benefits the most from better dodges

[spring fractal]

martydom is technically better for crusher but i dont like being one unfort burster away from going down

[copper hawk]

And it's not a crit weapon*

*Like other weapons are, such as those without a finesse stat, or shred, or an innate higher crit

[worldly agate]

martyrdom is unfortunate in this game because this is darktide and rattling gunners are basic enemies and also spammed in droves

also pox burster

also zealot saltzpyre is stronger than martyrdom

[craggy jackal]

Which weapons that have shred actually take it

[worldly agate]

in survivability anyways

[craggy jackal]

Idr

[spring fractal]

uuuh

chainsword?

[craggy jackal]

Ah right

[spring fractal]

devils claw?

[craggy jackal]

The one that isn’t real

[worldly agate]

devils claw is real to me

[spring fractal]

combat/tac axe sometmes but it's not a main blessing

[craggy jackal]

Dclaw is propaganda but I’ll acknowledge it’s real

The axes take bm headtaker

[spring fractal]

doesnt evis take shred

[craggy jackal]

Evis doesnt

[worldly agate]

how is dclaw propaganda

[ebon fox]

Does BM combat axe still work?

[craggy jackal]

It’s rampage sweep or perfect strike

[spring fractal]

a person i respect says BM/Shred on Caxe for some builds

[craggy jackal]

I’d like to see said builds

[spring fractal]

they never posted

[craggy jackal]

I just don’t buy it

[spring fractal]

but it was Combine who said that, he liked shred with Caxe on arbites

[craggy jackal]

It might make sense on arby

[worldly agate]

it's like the heavy sword but worse at everything I think, but you are invincible vs bosses and u can parry crushers and be awesome

[copper hawk]

Eviscerator

[craggy jackal]

Ah

Martyrdom

[copper hawk]

TAxe

[craggy jackal]

They should change parry riposte to be an overhead and triple it’s damage

[worldly agate]

fatshark
where is the double drake pistols

where is the drakegun

the darktide flamethrower is not the drakegun

[sacred jay]

Hand flamers

Now thatd be intresting

[copper hawk]

Give the parry rending

[craggy jackal]

Make the parry a nuke

[worldly agate]

make the parry do special thunder hammer heavy damage

[copper hawk]

Unironically

If they actually buffed the flak adms a bit

And gave the parry rending

[spring fractal]

are you pruposefully proccing desperation often or only in specific situations

[sacred jay]

Parry teleports you behind enemy and give 100%crit and finesse damage

[copper hawk]

You'd see actual skillful use of the dclaw commonplace

That'd give it a very fun niche

[sacred jay]

Nothin personal heretic

[copper hawk]

Proccing it constantly

I have to fight the game to not give me stam back

[worldly agate]

what is unskillfule use of dclaw

I literally never see it used

[copper hawk]

It comes back so fast you'll be topped up on stam in just about every engagement

[spring fractal]

im skeptical but ill try it out

[craggy jackal]

I have similar issues with desperation

[spring fractal]

how noticable is the dmg buff

[craggy jackal]

Stam comes back too fast

[copper hawk]

Idk not utilizing its combos

[craggy jackal]

It’s 20%

[spring fractal]

yeah i know it's 20%

i asked how noticable it is

[copper hawk]

Idk pretty big on crushers and bulwarks

Good against bosses

Due to low unyield

Everything else just dies

Cole uses desp on Zeal

[sacred jay]

I dont think ive once used desperation

[copper hawk]

I started using it cuz of his recco many many moons ago

[spring fractal]

i usually use stam curio yeah

[sacred jay]

Ive just glanced it and thought nah

[copper hawk]

When they buffed the crusher forbthe first time

Yah

[spring fractal]

but i thought on martydom wth no stamina curio it might go hard

[copper hawk]

Cole says it's weak

And i agree

He mentioned when we played a way to make it better

And actually worth going out of your way to take

But i 5get

[craggy jackal]

Guy like me just takes good balance

[spring fractal]

yeah

ill try out desperation with crusher

[sacred jay]

I wish zealot had few more gunskills

[spring fractal]

but i feel like ill prefer my build more

[ripe quest]

With the current direction of the two variants, the Mk III only provides a situational slight advantage for crowd performance over the Mk XV. The XV quite certainly is meant to be the heavier single target leaning variant given the quite significant unyielding damage and breakpoints it hits, and yet it barely sacrifices much outside of bugged stagger on the lights to achieve that. It leaves the Mk III to a weird space where you just take it if you hit small elite breakpoints on the L1 H2 due to the less sticky hits. The dynamic has kinda fallen apart.

The two weapons also fall short in a few ways just in general. The crowd performance is subpar, and the single target on the Mk III is awkward. Between the two, only L2-L4 on the XV are blockable mid-action. So you get this weapon that is lacking a bit that's also not nimble and you'll run the risk of hit trading for the last tick if you're in a dense crowd.

Then if we go by actual changes to each weapon, the Mk XV Eviscerator still has bugged stagger on lights, the combo timings on the Mk III Evis still prefer H1 L2 BC and H1 BC over H1 L2 despite the intent of their changes.

To note I'm not using the Relic Blade as the bar for balance here, ideally that gets brought down (prob won't though). Just disappointed in the direction taken with their balance. I also have issues with their design, they could be far cooler as weapons mechanically (something that I will use the Relic Blade as a bar for).

[copper hawk]

I wish zealot had a complete skill tree

🥀

[sacred jay]

That werent just reload/ more melee after magdump

[clever swan]

🥀

[sacred jay]

[ripe quest]

Ideally the only weapon that compares to the relic blade is the Mk VII Dclaw
Then we nerf the Relic Blade by making its activated performance closer to the unactivated performance, then make the unactivated attacks have sfx/vfx that don't sound like you're swinging scrap metal around.

[craggy jackal]

Anoint and ambush take it or leave it

[sacred jay]

Illusion of choice

[spring fractal]

place swift certainty there and nothing changes smile

[sacred jay]

Shield of the emperor only real one of value in the middle segment

[carmine falcon]

How would you rework the shred mechanic

Since it's pretty awkward

Turn it on and off similar to RB?

[spring fractal]

if hammer of the faith was where the emperor's bullet was then that might be worth taking sometimes

stagger ragers with lighter weapons

[sacred jay]

And emperors bullet was something completely diffirent

[craggy jackal]

Shmaul stocks

[sacred jay]

I like shock maul

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/true-it-is-true-roblox-you-dont-want-to-see-me-infuriated-roblox-fruit-gif-1640128207315121295

[sacred jay]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-kharter-gif-16802076780460504803

[copper hawk]

Oh that's half an arbites talent !

Powercreepbites

[spring fractal]

even then its not really of value tbh

[sacred jay]

I wish emperors bullet was some slight buff to ranged weapons

Some weakspot bonus or strenght idk

Not just mag dump and swap for meagre 5 second melee buff

[worldly agate]

no

making the power mode unsatisfying kills the weapon

the relic blade must be glorious

it must be the executioner sword on merc kruber

they should make veteran mercenary kruber

the rework shall see to it

[worldly agate]

is that let thy wrath be swift

I used to have it but then I thought hmm it's a crutch let me get rid of it and take more damage talents

[carmine falcon]

Twbs is goated

[ripe quest]

That's not what I said. I said nerfing it. It's already beyond good while activated. It being worse =/= it being unsatisfying. The idea is that the activated performance is really good but not absurd, and the unactivated performance isn't extremely lackluster in the vfx/sfx department. It shouldn't feel the way it does when it's competing with other crowd weapons unactivated.

[worldly agate]

the giant sword should kill crushers in 3 hits and be able to stagger ragers and maulers to death with heavy heavy in a horde

ur just a hater

it's got so good range too

killing the dogs from a football field away

such lovely weapo

n

[ripe quest]

That was actually the idea I had for a chainsword rework way back in the day, I'd still like that to an extent. My take on the Eviscerator though is just having it be on all the time, noteworthy things to mention being that ADMs would be a bit more intuitive for a chain weapon and the feel of the weapon being that of an Eviscerator. It's hard to convey how I'd do it though, always sticky would suck immensely. Alternatively I do like the idea of having the rev be something you can activate whenever, and holding it allows you to stick/cleave for as long as needed. Or rather simply making some of the revs always block w/ more even rev distribution

[ripe quest]

Given you can get the RB to 2 shot Crushers in Havoc I'm sure there's some wiggle room there

[worldly agate]

the chainaxe is better than the eviscerstor

[worldly agate]

the chainaxe could probably do that too if u put unyielding elite on it or something

(never tested)

[ripe quest]

Chaxe can 1 shot crushers

[craggy jackal]

We need a weapon that can .5 shot crushers

[worldly agate]

the new variant of chaxe is fake

can old chaxe do it with that 1 blessing

[ripe quest]

In Auric, yes, in Havoc I'm not quite sure.

[ripe quest]

[jagged cradle]

you shouldn’t use chaxe in havoc

[craggy jackal]

Not the cool looking dclaw

Not hearing it

[carmine falcon]

Interesting for sure and you're spot on about needing to make it actually live up to the name

I want to mulch things with this weapon

Straight up devouring

Genuinely biggest reason why i love relic blade is it fulfils power sword gameplay fantasy lol

It just FEELS right even if it's strong as shit

[ripe quest]

There's something that replacing the chaxe model w/ a chainsword/evis one does to you that just opens your mind

can see the possibilities open up, the potential futures

RB is also a quite mechanically interesting weapon. You have some neat combos available and the sliding/sprinting moves are nice.

[carmine falcon]

I tried to master the mouse flick into stab tech but gave up

Very cool stuff

At least I can pull off slide stab consistently

Also the weapon makes me wish more weapons have a running attack

There's something primal about running into a crusher and 2 shotting him with a fotf stab

1 shotting him*

[craggy jackal]

I need dclaw but a different parry anim based on what you parried

[worldly agate]

how would u even showcase parrying some of the stuff though

[ebon fox]

What’s the deal with devils claws now? They get buffed?

[acoustic dune]

iz a good weapon

what can the people say

[ivory marlin]

Gang i have done the destiny 2 raid kings fall all of 2 times and both times ive gotten the exotic

[craggy jackal]

+5 legendary shards

[ivory marlin]

Real

My friend who has done it many more times than me has never gotten it

[craggy jackal]

Shoulda done pantheon and got it for free

[ivory marlin]

Oh true

Weve mostly been doing vog

Cuz of rite

[craggy jackal]

Peak raid checks out

Nvm

Not peak raid

[ivory marlin]

I’ve actually never done a vow raid

[craggy jackal]

Missing out

[ivory marlin]

I want to

[craggy jackal]

Except for the opening the opening is dogshit

As per usual

[ivory marlin]

Real

So are most raids from what ive heard

[craggy jackal]

Yes they really like making the openings to raids and dungeons boring and/or tedious

And then the actual raid could be really good

[ivory marlin]

The kingsfall we just did was rough

Lots of people not knowing what to do

I was somehow the second best

[craggy jackal]

What’s important is that you ego damage with your friends

[ivory marlin]

Yeah my friend cried as i pulled my second touch of malice out of my vault to show him

[craggy jackal]

You can comfort him by saying that he’ll never use the gun anyway

[ivory marlin]

He’s well aware

He said he’s been playing the game too long for him to still not have it

[craggy jackal]

Ah the classic mistake of assuming that your time invested in destiny will be rewarded

I hope he breaks free from that delusion

[ivory marlin]

Don’t think so

Me neither honestly but i haven’t been playing too long

Hold up lemmie check time wasted

Rookie numbers honestly

Need to play my titan more

[craggy jackal]

Yeah you’re a baby

[ivory marlin]

Could lay off my warlock lmao

[hearty nebula]

I'd check mine but I haven't played Destiny 2 for years, it's just not worth the money or time for me anymore when it comes to what's on offer

[spare talon]

while this is the vast majority of it
doesnt include time in d1, my second account, or time i spent doing recoveries

[hearty nebula]

lol

funniest clip ever i have ZERO clue why half of them were bunched up

easiest TC of my life

[fading wharf]

This such a horrible penance

[craggy jackal]

Train time

[worldly agate]

I still need to do this one

running train with martyrdom is prob easiest way to get it

[fading wharf]

It feels like it incentivizes bad play and also private game requirement is dog water

[worldly agate]

it's not as bad as it sounds ever since train came out

[craggy jackal]

Just solo the train mission

[worldly agate]

yeah

[fading wharf]

Wouldn't martydom be the hardest as then you got to drain more health to get to the less than one wound

[mild sparrow]

Martydom isn't the way, since you have to have less than one wound

[craggy jackal]

It shouldn’t incentivize bad play either since you are intentionally losing your health at the start

[fading wharf]

Would love to but private requires 2 people

[craggy jackal]

After that you should play well

Isn’t there a solo mod

[worldly agate]

you'd still get more value out of martyrdom than the other keystones I think

also its heresy difficulty

so pretty easy

[fading wharf]

disables achivements

[craggy jackal]

Yawnnnnnnnn

[mild sparrow]

Just abuse the 50% tdr on piety

[craggy jackal]

You get tdr on Marty too just

Not as much

[mild sparrow]

And way less health lol

I enjoy Marty, I just don't think it's ideal for this penance

[worldly agate]

how come

[fading wharf]

less than one wound health part of the penance

[balmy trench]

DOnt like being a marty? lol

[fading wharf]

Not really and also I dont got a pal who can private with

[balmy trench]

wait no that one specifically it sucks for right?

[fading wharf]

Yeah because more wounds mean you have to tank your health more

You have to be under 1 wound for 75% of the mission

[mild sparrow]

And if you get revived, you have to lose all those wounds again lol

[balmy trench]

I think the best way My group did it was all zealots going for the challenge so we kept up our gold toughness

[craggy jackal]

It’s also heresy difficulty

[worldly agate]

which is easy

[cinder steeple]

I feel sad. No reason to play zealot

Arbitrator and ogryn are just better

[worldly agate]

erm.... relic blade

[mild sparrow]

You are forgetting about big swords

[cinder steeple]

Literally dog bleed is doing double my dmg

It’s so sad

[fading wharf]

The 2 handed melee play is hella fun on zealot not gonna lie

[craggy jackal]

There needs to be more big swords

[craggy jackal]

Give clouds great sword

[cinder steeple]

I just wouldn’t use them unless it’s on ogryn or arbitator

[fading wharf]

give us burning blades which is malfunction power swords which do burn

[balmy trench]

dam gif no work

[mild sparrow]

Need red name to post gifs

[craggy jackal]

Embed failure laugh at this user

[cinder steeple]

Relic blade just feels weak

Or like

It can’t keep up with ogryn and arbitrator

[shut belfry]

Comparing a zealot to those two makes all our stuff feel weak

[cinder steeple]

I guess I’m supposed to not let them into my havoc then

Or either I just play solo

[craggy jackal]

Do havoc carries so you’re always top scoreboard

[cinder steeple]

Like join low havocs?

[shut belfry]

Its just how it is when its a shitty tree we have

Won't be able to keep up with the actual good trees as eaisly

[mild sparrow]

THE Zealot build is still plenty good enough

[cinder steeple]

It’s fine, but it’s not like you can really carry with it

Very passive

[worldly agate]

what scoreboard

[craggy jackal]

The one I make up in my head

[worldly agate]

the green circles died 5 years ago

u need to move on

[mild sparrow]

Arbites just gets to nuke anything dangerous with their shotguns at range and when they do get close they get 10s to do whatever the fuck they want lol

[cinder steeple]

And the dog…

Did 1.3 million. In my last havoc game

[mild sparrow]

Dog is better than the average teammate lol

[worldly agate]

I think you mean ogryn nuke anything dangerous at range with the mighty HEAVY STUBBER

[mild sparrow]

You have to aim with that though

[worldly agate]

skill issue

[mild sparrow]

Arbites just gets to fire in the general direction

[worldly agate]

yeah but it takes way longer

[shut belfry]

Thats a bug

[cinder steeple]

Ik

[mild sparrow]

Maybe against a gunner line but the Combat shotty exists

[worldly agate]

for example execute shotgun or whatever it's called need like 3 shots from max range to kill sniper, ogryn 1 tap them

[shut belfry]

You'll miss unless its the dog

[worldly agate]

ogryn also 1 tap the other stuff with crit headshot build for the gun

[mild sparrow]

See there's that aiming thing again

Arbites is just too easy to play

The class has zero downsides

[shut belfry]

You gotta aim with the arbities guns to two tap at range

[cinder steeple]

I literally just got 5 consecutive h40 clears with it without going down

It’s so dumb

[worldly agate]

what about bad boss damage

[cinder steeple]

It doesn’t have bad boss damage

[mild sparrow]

It is perfectly fine against bosses

[worldly agate]

yeah but if u have the good boss damage build then u have bad toughness regen

[shut belfry]

Its not the best, zealots better boss dmg

[worldly agate]

and if u have good toughness regen and stagger then u do bad boss dmg

[cinder steeple]

Literally just applying skull crusher and the boss dies so fast

[mild sparrow]

It has way better boss damage than psyker, outside of some gun builds

[craggy jackal]

Suspiciously recon las shaped hole in the boss

[shut belfry]

Only the shock maul has that on the arbities melees

[cinder steeple]

No

Crusher has skull crusher

Shockingly

[shut belfry]

I forget bout crusher daily

[cinder steeple]

I love crusher

The only weakness is that the class isn’t super fast

[fading wharf]

Crusher is a for sure a arbite weapon because arbite is the stagger king

[acoustic dune]

Which class?

[potent gate]

I feel like the EO node and the node at the top give enough movement speed

You're not zooming but when you're in combat, you're still a demon

[hushed knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-24644397

[acoustic dune]

By the oracles the chaos god is here

[hushed knoll]

No

[primal scroll]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FeHY3fm6wfc?si=QhMEX1wdLBC1X7T-

[heady rapids]

they fixed the dog

[sullen forge]

Also removed pus hardened

“Hitler dead image”

[copper hawk]

noobeth

[misty nova]

Why does FS keep bringing back these very loved havoc modifier

It's extra funny because they removed PHS

And Inferno

But added nothing

[sullen forge]

It’s so easy to make PHS work lmao

They just don’t

Aka melee unit exclusive buff that forces melee combat lmao

[heady rapids]

it's strategically advantageous for nurgle to specifically cover the units you don't want to fight in melee

https://tenor.com/view/watchthisswag-catswag-cat-rigby-cat-gif-7623407359144548331

[hushed knoll]

Pus hardened is annoying

I hate piss

Public

Pus*

There we go

[vale lark]

yo?

why do i have 381 points

ive had this hammer for so long and only just noticed

[misty nova]

Rounding error

One of these 80 is 79.something

[strong gyro]

yo gimme that

my thammer only has 60 cc

[hushed knoll]

You can get a new one easily 😊

[strong gyro]

im poor

[misty nova]

Just don't be

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-buy-house-stupidity-obviously-gif-26259749

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/phaidei-gif-6556713681955102580

[misty nova]

Yaoi on my timeline

[gaunt roost]

10 billion more changes to arbitesrael while zealot gets nothing

[gaunt roost]

[misty nova]

It's ok

Arbites is mid anyways

[acoustic dune]

chat

[shut belfry]

they could have not fixed the dog and let the 450% go to do zealot changes lmao

[acoustic dune]

what if

zealot got dat dog in them

[shut belfry]

the changes are more we fucked up the application of bleed once more

[stray cedar]

could of
Zealot literacy at work /s

[acoustic dune]

zealot supramacy at wok

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[spring fractal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/h1aX2eaQMp

Its working as intended now

[shut belfry]

yea, normal bleed and fs imo
application of bleed is fucked up somewhere so needs to be patched

creates 10 more bleed bugs LOL

they didnt introduce anymore hopefully

[gaunt roost]

next patch “fixed knife not applying bleed after dog changes”

[misty nova]

Good

https://tenor.com/view/rizz-rizz-face-shrek-shrek-meme-funny-gif-11681866407721108377

Pre-fix dog bleed is what lacerate users think they were doing

[copper hawk]

i should rip you in half

w my bare hands

[violet hornet]

Cica knife pervert arc confirmed?

[misty nova]

[north sedge]

bleed knife crawled so bleed dog could soar, but for a brief moment

[gaunt roost]

bleed knife threw bleed dog off a building

[north sedge]

how so, bleed knife hasn't been real since launch

[acoustic dune]

actual question

is bleed dog a niche or smth

or is it meta?

if so

why...

[pale spindle]

Bleed dog is either bugged or broken

[north sedge]

that was fixed today

[pale spindle]

Dam so it was a bug 😞

Fatshark givith

[acoustic dune]

what was the bug

[north sedge]

it was (likely) strong before, was fucking broken for two days

[pale spindle]

That all damage application to the dog also applied to the scaling damage of its bleed

[shut belfry]

450% increased dmg

[misty nova]

You'd apply 8-16 bleed to every target staggered by the dog

AND

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-dog-gif-14542099238045824336

[misty nova]

450% increased bleed damage

[north sedge]

now it's normal size bleed

[misty nova]

And only on targets staggered by the landing

[acoustic dune]

britleness dog is still there right?

[north sedge]

there was no way to track it's dmg prior to this week, but if your dog is in crowds a lot the aoe bleed is nice

[acoustic dune]

doesnt that stackc well with bleed?

[acoustic dune]

wait hang on

[pale spindle]

Even before the bug, I still think dog strong

[acoustic dune]

aoe bleed?

[north sedge]

yea

anything staggered by dog is bleed

when it pounces

[pale spindle]

Yes the razor augment puts 8 stacks of bleed on anything the dog touches when it pounces

[acoustic dune]

i thought it was single target

[pale spindle]

And another 8 when the dog actually pounces on the target

[north sedge]

not single target, no

[acoustic dune]

what exactly is pounce

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-wakeup-morning-dog-cute-gif-9052147

[pale spindle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3e1f45-7e8b-4699-8494-9755f698fa2e/princess-simulator?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[north sedge]

whenever it jumps on a target

[pale spindle]

Just try it and see it yourself

[acoustic dune]

i feel

weird

https://tenor.com/view/shautie-lottieshauna-lottieshauna-hug-shautie-hug-shquties-gif-4449198328387365561

[spring fractal]

the dog pinning a target to the ground

that applies bleed in an aoe

[acoustic dune]

why is the blob glittering

[violet hornet]

Seeing them using black nitrile gloves makes me think this frog is about to either get spice rubbed or flour / egg / panko dipped and fried

[languid forge]

What's the combo for relic blade mk2?

[lament ruin]

single target or horde clear?

[languid forge]

both

[steel agate]

[stray summit]

marioinatophat is becoming a chainaxe enjoyer

[hushed knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-24644397

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-memes2022funny-meme-face-punch-gif-25436787

[runic grotto]

This mod sucks

We aint playing this shit again

[acoustic dune]

that was you?

i mean

what mod

?

[runic grotto]

datapack

the cryptid

[acoustic dune]

idk what you speak off

it seem you guys where playing minecrap

with a stinky mod

[misty nova]

Smoking on that data pack ganja

[runic grotto]

true

[acoustic dune]

next time if we playing minecrap

there better be jack black

[heady rapids]

we got a giant fucking skeleton head in our first runb

tw

[acoustic dune]

dats neat

did you kiss it?

[heady rapids]

it killed us all

[runic grotto]

I tried to

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/enbabyfazball-fish-thirsty-gif-12496812153427391344

[runic grotto]

It exploded the whole chunk

[acoustic dune]

shy people

[south prism]

maybe i’m a scrub but what is so good about the flamer? i’m destroying hordes with the relic sword anyway, why do people like the flamer so much?

[runic grotto]

are you playing on like, malice-heresy?

[south prism]

damnation

[runic grotto]

Because it has infinite cleave and it's good when 5 crushers, 3 bulwarks, 12 ragers and 4 maulers spawn in front of you + 50 poxers

So you just use it and everything but crushers dies

[south prism]

not with burst but with continuous fire right?

i’ve already got its mastery up to 20 but i never found myself using it much

maybe on auric i’ll find its utility

i have one where the dump stat is damage and everything else is 80

decent choice or should i find one with a mobility dump stat?

[lament ruin]

dump damage

as damage stat only affects its direct damage

[south prism]

copy that

i’ll keep rolling with it, i just love using the revolver

[north sedge]

thing with flamer is it's value goes up as horde density goes up

[south prism]

makes sense

thank you all

[acoustic dune]

ok lads

whom need a kiss

[south prism]

[shut belfry]

Thammer + flamer is the way

[languid forge]

bump

[stray summit]

I love flashbang it let's me be a big shot

[south prism]

a cc combo i use is L1-L2-B and repeat

[rocky gull]

much more cleave than the relic blade

[south prism]

they already explained this to me, thank you though

[rocky gull]

oh sorry

[shut belfry]

I wish the perks before flashbanf werent shite

[misty nova]

Bit sick rn

So for your safety

I must decline

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-kiss-hd-feyd-rautha-kiss-dune-2-dune-part-two-gif-8296991559080743796

too late

[south prism]

post the sped up version

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/baron-harkonnen-harkonenn-dune-kiss-funny-gif-2416187472358686040

[south prism]

now post the one where the gif freezes with him staring at the camera

[stray summit]

more tghness on melee kills and more damage on melee hits I thinky those are pretty good

[misty nova]

Why's there a sped up version

😭

[split jetty]

best zealot builds? why do all the keystones seem so ass

[misty nova]

The Build™

[split jetty]

why would i ever use a gun other than the bolt gun

[shut belfry]

The right side does that ten times better my statement stands

[runic grotto]

I think I recently checked all the possible comboes for mk2

[misty nova]

Why would you ever use a gun

[runic grotto]

#zealot-class message

Here

[misty nova]

[split jetty]

when my sword overheats

[misty nova]

It

[stray summit]

boltgun ammo fucking sucks

[misty nova]

Uh

Still a sword

[south prism]

need ammo for my sword pls

[split jetty]

add a boltsword

[stray summit]

why would i use any gun on zealot I'll just use my sword for everything

[misty nova]

Where was I

Oh yeah

The Build™

[split jetty]

what capstone should I use

[misty nova]

Gimme a sec

[split jetty]

they all seem so wank

[lament ruin]

martyrdom

[runic grotto]

All of them are just more damage

[runic grotto]

Do you want damage with crits, damage but 0 health or damage with good dodges

[south prism]

i like piety ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[split jetty]

i mean I dont see any of them really playing into a build like psyker ones can

[shut belfry]

Fr if you are looking for touhhness its the rightside of the tree not left

[south prism]

get those crits and thrive

[rocky gull]

what’s the dump stats on the crusher and shock maul?

[stray summit]

Martyrdom

[misty nova]

Defense
Mobility

[split jetty]

is it bad if im lvl 25 and failing heretic half the time

[misty nova]

Yeah

[split jetty]

nice

[misty nova]

Get your fundamentals up

[shut belfry]

Ye

[south prism]

yeah you should practice more

[misty nova]

Dodges

Target priority

Situation awareness

[shut belfry]

Dodge like a mad man

[stray summit]

How the fuck does
Crazy Crit Chance
Maniacal Dmg and Attk Speed
Busted movement speed
Not fit into any builds

[south prism]

he seems to be new

and that's ok !

[lament ruin]

yesss

[split jetty]

are there any weapons that do cool stuff on crit

[stray summit]

gng

[lament ruin]

prob better to dump power output on crusher, you use alot of push attacks with the crusher

[acoustic dune]

you know why

[south prism]

i still have my dodge bound to mousewheel down

[acoustic dune]

gaylot

[misty nova]

Nuh uh

Damage is damage

[lament ruin]

its

[shut belfry]

Smash em with a hammer

[misty nova]

I like my booms booming

[lament ruin]

20 damage on a powered attack

[misty nova]

[lament ruin]

vs .4 stam cost

[misty nova]

Less than 0

[lament ruin]

.4 stam cost on the weapons strongest attack

[misty nova]

Don't need it

Stronger powered attack on the strongest attack

Or whatever stamina on an attack I won't be spamming

[rocky gull]

thanks

[split jetty]

is Swift Certainty worth using

it sounds good I think but idk

[misty nova]

It's not

Essentially a 5% move speed increase

[north sedge]

the tooltip is a big fat liar

for swift

[ripe quest]

It can depend. It lets you utilize the perpendicular dodge angle on ranged attacks while sprinting even while out of stamina. It can be quite handy to use on heavier weapons.

[split jetty]

is a relic blade with 3% damage missing and movement dump is ok or keep rolling until perfect

[misty nova]

Just don't run out of stamina

Or better yet

[split jetty]

how does dodge actually work

[misty nova]

21 meters dash

[split jetty]

I vaguely assumed its just i frames

[misty nova]

[ripe quest]

Hence it being on heavier weapons. It's a useful mechanic to exploit in higher difficulties due to the whole 'zealot gets turned into paste by shooters' thing.

[ripe quest]

If you're counted as dodging, dodge-able ranged attacks will fail to damage you. Kinda like iframes yeah.

[acoustic dune]

the bleed dog is indeed scary

wtf

[north sedge]

you missed the fucked up 2 days of it

[misty nova]

Yeah

Should have cheesed havoc with it

Baby class

[acoustic dune]

ngl if havoc waas jsut spawn more enemy till my pc explode

that would be neat

[sullen forge]

Purposely avoided anyone taking dog

Now I can actually play the game lmao

[ripe quest]

Should be mortis, give me a no buffs mode that just ramps up enemy density the longer I can survive with no brakes.

It never gets easier, it never stops

[sullen forge]

Should’ve been mortis but I’ve had this discussion of an infinite mode

It’s not gonna happen cause it’ll simply crash before that happens lmao

[grizzled laurel]

these are the three builds
crit, non crit, book (crit)

idk martyrdom

[lament ruin]

martyrdom is similar to noncrit

[grizzled laurel]

"three" builds

[ripe quest]

Blazing Piety is a very limp keystone just since it enables you to proc actually good talents like Duelist, Scourge, and Enduring Faith on any weapon. Martyrdom is actually pretty good, TDR, damage, and attack speed for being low health (esp on Until Death and Holy Revenant) is a great comeback mechanic. Judgement is a bit weird, it's a generalist keystone. Attack speed, all damage, it also buffs your dodges. It's just a bit minor.

[grizzled laurel]

watching number tick up to 25 feels good

[ripe quest]

Creativity has become a dry, dry well in this chat I see

[lament ruin]

doesnt IJ only buff your dodges if you have the max stack buff

[ripe quest]

It stacks like the other buffs do.

[lament ruin]

oh

im a martyrdom shill

its pretty much the only keystone I play

[lament ruin]

pretty good

[acoustic dune]

sadly no one play mortis anymore

[violet hornet]

Can't believe they only left mortis in for one patch before deleting it from the game

[misty nova]

Casual IJ L

Still waiting for the mortis grenade inject all stimms indulgence

And apparently there'll be a CRIT oriented path on mortis Trials

[visual stream]

I'm glad zealot chat still exists

Arbites chat is a migration zone for gen chatters

[grizzled laurel]

we talked about fromsoft games for 45 minutes earlier

[misty nova]

When the class so mid you have to talk about other things

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[ripe quest]

I gotta do mortis to get that fire insignia, so I'll be carrying 1/4th of the mortis population for the next week

[misty nova]

🫡

[acoustic dune]

classiz zealot chat

[acoustic dune]

only the true zealot main stay in zealot chat

bc we are loco

[misty nova]

That's why I said it's peak

[acoustic dune]

ok kizz me

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-ahh-dog-gif-4024709941344493127

[misty nova]

Is bro trying to hit all checklists

💀

[visual stream]

Holy fucking peak

Actually the best that Rimworld has to offer

[misty nova]

Does it have a good kill box though

[void bison]

its impregnable

[misty nova]

Don't say that's what she said

Don't say that's what she said

Don't say that's what she said

Don't.......

[visual stream]

it's.. mpregable...

[violet hornet]

But it's not even Monday

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/no-mpreg-1984-mpreg-big-brother-male-pregnancy-gif-83533964675188427

[split jetty]

does Invocation of Death just mean -8s cooldown per crit

and is a backstab kill just a kill from behind or

[lament ruin]

backstab is just kill from behind

[misty nova]

It's a kill from behind

And yes

[lament ruin]

u can easily backstab poxwalkers by just pushing and walking behind them

[misty nova]

IoD 8 seconds iirc

[grizzled laurel]

backstab is the rear 90deg, right?

[split jetty]

not sure what cooldown reducer is best

[lament ruin]

you can take both for funny 5 second cd book builds

[split jetty]

im using the toughness restorer ability

[misty nova]

I think it's a 120° cone behind the target

[split jetty]

thats what i was thinking

[misty nova]

What's the name

Raking Fire

Yeah

Raking Fire is 180°

Called flanking on the code

[split jetty]

do wounds increase my hp

[misty nova]

No

[split jetty]

or just segment the same amount of hp

[lament ruin]

segment

[misty nova]

Just segments

[split jetty]

that feels unintuitive

[misty nova]

It doesn't really make you tankier

Toughness or HP helps with that

Unless we are talking about Martyrdom

There's a node there that makes you tankier than most builds

At low hp

[split jetty]

does toughness damage reduction scale expontentially

it seems like theres a ton of ways to get it such that it could reach 100% easily

idk

[gloomy vine]

thank fuck

[sturdy cypress]

I think its additive? Whichever term it is

Basically if you get 50% dr from one source and then 50% dr from another source it comes out to 75% dr total. I think thats the math idk I've been out of school for 3 years now

[craggy jackal]

That is multiplicative not additive

[south prism]

[whole python]

Heavy sword dumpstat?

[plush estuary]

Defenses.

from the zealot guide

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16W_MhzUGXv9WRVjXjowIyqlktqrJ8U5wxVlgX3X5TU8/edit?tab=t.0

[north sedge]

when in doubt, mobi/def

[whole python]

Thought it could be cleave damage

[misty nova]

It would affect your damage distribution on cleave

Not worth dumping

[clever swan]

heavy sword is good at cleaving so probably not

[plush estuary]

in a vacuum, yes with Deathblow (aka. Brutal momentum). If you could keep getting headshots you wont notice the cleave target difference, but defense has so little value, I think its only block cost that it affects for Hsword its not worth giving it an extra 20%

60

80

I guess a little dodge distance increase

[void bison]

karktide

rogue trader has consumed me a lot more than baldurs gate

[violet hornet]

Better pen and paper system underlying it, or something else?

[misty nova]

Peak right there

[split jetty]

looking at perks for my relic sword

whats the difference between carapace and flak

[void bison]

I care more about wh40k then DnD lore

also I sucked at builds on both but I started following a few companion builds online for RT

[misty nova]

Flak is a thinner armor, wore by most enemies in the game

[split jetty]

not sure what perks are best

i like the sprint efficiency one but idk

[misty nova]

Carapace is a thicker armor, tanks way more damage and stops any cleave

[void bison]

the story of the tadpoles and the absolute didn't grip me that much either even though mind flayers are cool

[craggy jackal]

Flak maniac/unyielding/elite

[misty nova]

Only found on Ogryn enemies, Scab Rager body and Maulers head

[craggy jackal]

Is the perk combo for 95% of melee weapons in the game

[violet hornet]

Surprised you didn't find more interest in the game with the frog gf

[violet hornet]

This would be me I have no clue how their system works

[south prism]

corruption resistance is mainly just for poxbursters right?

[misty nova]

Is Steam recording any good or should I just get OBS?

[south prism]

what is it good for exactly?

[south prism]

it's fantastic, i love it

[void bison]

idr a frog gf in baldurs gate 3 but fish wife in rogue trader is good

[misty nova]

Corruption that isn't the ones you receive if you go down

[south prism]

huh?

oh

[north sedge]

tox gas

[void bison]

in baldurs gate 3 they made frogs weak. they made the druid frog transform do almost nothing and larian hath earned my scorn for not making a giant toad with stronger powers than a super bear

[south prism]

so just any corruption in general like from poxbursters, tox gas, beast of nurgle, etc

cool

[cinder steeple]

I think with Psyker you can run it to prevent insta casualties from pox busters in h40

[misty nova]

Yeah

And in theory you can pair with Bomber/Dog resistance and receive even less corruption from those

But you usually don't run dog/bomber resist

[south prism]

yeah lol

[cinder steeple]

I need to test if bomber applies to barrels

[south prism]

is it better to take a toughness blessing or a health blessing on curios?

[plush estuary]

toughness

[south prism]

not disagreeing with you but why

i'm curious

[plush estuary]

toughness regens, zealot also stacks toughness damage reduction (enduring faith, benediction, stalwart)

ranged enemies have to go through toughness before doing hp damage

% of melee bleed damage depends on how much toughness remaning you have

and much more

[south prism]

would you stack health curios on any other class? i understand not doing so for zealot for the same reasons as you just laid out, i've just been curious about the different perspectives people have on it

[plush estuary]

toughness is every way is better then hp outside of fire damage which is dumb

toughness on all classes

[south prism]

i have noticed that for fire damage, very annoying

i think it worked the same way in vermintide actually where it just bypassed your temp hp but i could be wrong

it's been a while since i played VT2 😔

kinda miss it

[cinder steeple]

The fire only bypasses toughness if it’s from a red barrel

[south prism]

are those barrels filled with standard oil

[cinder steeple]

Every time my name somehow gets involved

[south prism]

[cinder steeple]

I’m actually setting it back to nothing now

[south prism]

nooo

[plush estuary]

and scab flamer explosion

[cinder steeple]

Did not know that, thanks!

[runic grotto]

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[plush estuary]

their fire dropped is fire barrel coded

[south prism]

i have so many cat things i can send

but i can't yet 😔

my trust level is too low

[misty nova]

My 452 HP oggy

[cinder steeple]

My 350 toughness vet

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

I might have gone overboard and gave my Psyker 240 hp

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

(it only needs about 200hp to survive most bullshit)

[south prism]

psyker's been hitting the gym (the library)

[cinder steeple]

Lifting the books

That knowledge is heavy

[reef plaza]

Why does every melee weapon feel so damn slow

[lament ruin]

play martyrdom

[reef plaza]

Give me the skill tree and I will anything to stop feeling like my veteran is better

[lament ruin]

you're playing weapon spec vet right?

weapon spec vet gets 25% atk speed

[reef plaza]

Nope

[lament ruin]

oh

[misty nova]

Lack of 10% Attack speed node

[reef plaza]

I’m squishy
Can’t regen any armor faster than it gets hit away from me

And have no range

I feel as if I have not just built myself wrong

But completely 100% wrong

[paper elm]

Is the dump stat for shredder pistol collateral or mobility?

[lament ruin]

its mostly the singular zealot build

[misty nova]

Do you have Second Wind?

[violet hornet]

Mobility

[reef plaza]

Not yet

I’m half way to be fully leveled but i remember my zealot being a lot more passible than this

Trying to level them up as I’ve maxed vet og and arb

Everytime I try to find a build for zealot it’s Dueling sword build and I Detest that thing

[violet hornet]

Gross lol

[violet hornet]

What's your favorite melee weapon so far?

[clever swan]

ive had an issue where it doesnt record audio from the game (until i set the "record all system audio" setting, which i dont really want to have to use)

it also doesnt have av1

but i use it

instead of nvidia share

[reef plaza]

So far none of zealots unique weapons

I like their gimmicks but they’re so torturously slow I’m thinking about just using like a normal weapon

Flamethrower is fun but has no range

[paper elm]

Tyty, also try relic blade it's perfect ❤️

[violet hornet]

Collat is nice to have for shredder because of the pinning fire blessing, more stagger means more damage done

[paper elm]

Ty ❤️

[reef plaza]

I love the powered attacks of the hammers but it’s not worth poxwalkers bullying me while I try to swing a 2-ton brick at them

[violet hornet]

Yeah I need to take throwing knives to function if I have a flamer haha

[reef plaza]

I have the knives and still can’t because I’m a vet and arbitrator fan

I’m used to seeing and removing any annoying fucker who shoots at me from across the map

[violet hornet]

Zealot does well with most melee weapons but you're right, the zealot exclusives are pretty slow. Unfortunately the majority of attack speed buffs are near the end of the tree

[lament ruin]

the 10% atk speed node that every class gets is close to the end

[reef plaza]

And Ogryn well

A Ogryn could play Ogryn

[violet hornet]

That's been hard to get used to with arbites, I don't necessarily have to charge in (but I'm going to due to zealot brain rot)

[lament ruin]

and the other atk speed buffs are in two of the keystones

[violet hornet]

Yeah the martyrdom one is huge

[lament ruin]

i love martyrdom

[misty nova]

[violet hornet]

Uptime on fury of the faithful gives you tons of speed too

So if you pack cdr talents and spam it you're attacking way faster most of the time

[lament ruin]

all atk speed buffs stack additively right

[reef plaza]

Ok what would be like a FotF Martyr build

[violet hornet]

As far as I know, path / Ainz / exhil would know for sure

[cinder steeple]

Do you want one?

Are you gonna use rb or crusher?

Asking because you would use thy wrath be swift if you are

Well

Most people like it

[violet hornet]

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[reef plaza]

I don’t know whatever feels best so far Crusher has been less slow

Maybe eviscerator?

[craggy jackal]

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This is referred to as the build

Use this guide

[violet hornet]

This build is nice for non crit, you probably want piety over martyrdom for crit

[reef plaza]

Which Eviscerator is best

[violet hornet]

Evis does well with crit piety build for sure, you'd want shred perfect strike iirc for blessings on that

[reef plaza]

Mk.3 or Mk15

[violet hornet]

Mk3 best vs hordes, 15 best vs single target. 15 is generally easier to use

[lament ruin]

didnt they remove the target cap?

[misty nova]

Up to preference nowadays

Yes for both

Then buffed mk3 because it needed

And it attacks faster as well

[lament ruin]

ye

[misty nova]

Gotta fully check later

When later? Idk

[lament ruin]

15 has a very simple moveset

light spam for horde heavy for single target

[violet hornet]

Here's meow's crit evis build #zealot-class message

She uses 3 and has for ages but it would work fine with 15

#zealot-class message here's her listing combos for it

[cinder steeple]

Gonna be so sad if they nerf skull crusher on crusher

[mighty root]

They won’t

[cinder steeple]

I just want an excuse to run crusher hehehe

[mighty root]

It’s good especially with crit

[cinder steeple]

My melee dmg just can’t keep up with orgryn and arb so I feel silly

[mighty root]

Try tac axe

[cinder steeple]

I did before the buff

[misty nova]

Simply stack 400% melee damage

Easy

[mighty root]

Tbh I don’t worry damage I already run ahead and kill everything

[misty nova]

[cinder steeple]

I usually run purple gold

So

It’s hard for me

[mighty root]

Huh

[cinder steeple]

H40 modifiers

[mighty root]

Ooohhhh

[violet hornet]

Target exclusively is a much better way to guarantee damage output than your build it's true

[mighty root]

Yeah I don’t worry about it

In havoc i just play like I’m solo and clutching

[cinder steeple]

I can’t solo h40 w/o shroud

And I’ve only soloed archivum

[mighty root]

Not everyone can it takes alot of patience, practice, and rng

[cinder steeple]

I just haven’t seen h40 solos without arbitrator or shroud

[mighty root]

I love archivium

[mighty root]

They’re hard to do

[cinder steeple]

Who has true solo h40s on not arb or shroud?

I don’t know anyone

[mighty root]

And I’m ngl you may be seeing speedruns

[cinder steeple]

My archivum shroud solo was a speedrun

[mighty root]

Yes a zealot with fury and lacerate

[cinder steeple]

Was 13 minutes

[violet hornet]

People that can solo havoc 40 reliably are outliers for sure

[cinder steeple]

I haven’t seen one for havoc 2

[violet hornet]

Unless they're doing something cheesy

[cinder steeple]

I literally can’t find any on YouTube

[violet hornet]

I can reliably clutch auric maelstrom but I'm not clutching a h40 lol

[cinder steeple]

I’ve done AM true solos but not h40

Well

Well h40 solos w/o shroud

[violet hornet]

I've never deliberately solo'd an auric match but it had happened accidentally before lol

[mighty root]

Yeah it’s hard ainz attempted it with Arby and died to a burster

[cinder steeple]

W/o arb

I’ve seen the arb true solos

[mighty root]

I wouldn’t compare myself with people as well I wouldn’t doubt that ainz or cole has off days and they get clapped on like everyone does

[cinder steeple]

But they turned down boss health and amped up ammo

And only one modifier

[violet hornet]

If anyone can do it, Ainz, hamdol, or Keje would be the ones to look for imo

Cole probably could too

[mighty root]

Clutching is always a variable it’s not Guaranteed

[cinder steeple]

I am not talking about clutching

Literally solo

[violet hornet]

Yeah sometimes the director knows you have 14 tknives and sends 15 trappers in the bulwark mixed horde. There's a fair bit of RNG

Clutching is just soloing part of the mission

[cinder steeple]

Well then I mean soloing the whole mission

Because that’s what I was talking about

[mighty root]

Me asking cole to duo with me for the 100th time

He just gazes

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