zealot-class

[acoustic dune]

I love having 8 coherency

And the dog plosion

https://tenor.com/view/deepfriedwoomy-gif-20893284

[bitter anvil]

[acoustic dune]

This on a boss

[rocky gull]

i can’t wait to get done with this penance so I can go back to my relic blade + flamer build

[acoustic dune]

I am a evil(trademark) build

[acoustic dune]

It's very evil

[bitter anvil]

I play witch hunter captain build

[acoustic dune]

It's a bleed crit cooldown build

All about speed

Other then that my old fav build is just chorus build back dogging into the enemy

[misty mason]

i dun like relic blade

[rocky gull]

https://tenor.com/view/no-vegito-dbz-caption-meme-gif-26332533

[acoustic dune]

Blaze greatsword my beloved

[bitter anvil]

I like use braindead Evis mk15

[acoustic dune]

I miss my woife

My imaginary wife

[bitter anvil]

Your banditell?

[acoustic dune]

My dune...

[bitter anvil]

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/baron-harkonnen-harkonenn-dune-kiss-funny-gif-2416187472358686040

[ornate bone]

omg samesies

[misty mason]

Man I hate door bursters

boop

boop
BELERHAJFHDJSFSK

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-darktide-explode-warhammer-40k-gif-7567690485009069789

[strong gyro]

hi, whats the best melee weapon for zealot?

[bitter anvil]

Relic blade

But melee in zealot still best

[strong gyro]

which version?

[bitter anvil]

The high mark one

Dueling sword is braindead overpower meta soon get nerf

[strong gyro]

ok good, i just bought that yesterday

[bitter anvil]

Using relic blade check the heat meter make sure deactivate not let you get lock out on cooldown

[strong gyro]

doesnt it just deactivate when it overheats

[bitter anvil]

It will but you will get lock out

[strong gyro]

lock out?

[bitter anvil]

Meaning can’t reactivate when maximum heat reached

[strong gyro]

the entire game?

[bitter anvil]

It goes stage cooldown

No

It will drain heat meter slowly

You can activate and deactivate when not real max heat

[strong gyro]

when do i use the heat?

[bitter anvil]

Like toggling

[strong gyro]

i forget about the special

[bitter anvil]

It work like power sword

[strong gyro]

so only for bosses

[bitter anvil]

But is togglable

[bitter anvil]

Boss elites horde

Work all

[strong gyro]

my thunderhammer does 3-4k dmg in 1 hit but the relic sword only does 1k after charge

weird

[bitter anvil]

Thammer is one kill damage but not constant damage dealer

Relic is like power sword but not one hit impact, more like increase damage and cleave

[ornate bone]

Relic blade is a better all rounder. It can handle basically any and everything that’s thrown at you, even crushers and bulwarks. Can do some good boss damage too!

[rustic bobcat]

after i get lvl 30 ogryn zealot's next then arbiter
relic blade's the way to roll yeah

and for ranged uhhh
flamer...? what's zealot use for ranged

contemplating bolter

[ornate bone]

Depends what your main weapon is.

[strong gyro]

i just switched to relic blade

[long oasis]

combat shotgun is not bad

[strong gyro]

i use boltgun

very nice

[ornate bone]

For relic blade I use bolter

[bitter anvil]

Some guy said Tac axe zealot is good

[rustic bobcat]

im looking at relic sword as main, then look at chaxe, chsword, crusher

[ornate bone]

Just to soften up crusher patrols before you turn your blade on and run in.

[strong gyro]

i scrapped my axe

only does single target

[rustic bobcat]

thammer i think i'll pair with flamer

[long oasis]

tac axe needs certain blessings to be good

[bitter anvil]

Taxe is hit and run type

[ornate bone]

Unless you take head taker and slaughterer.

[long oasis]

like brutal momentum

[ornate bone]

Or sorry, brutal momentum

[bitter anvil]

Decimator

[ornate bone]

And head taker

Yeah what he posted above

[long oasis]

brutal momentum allows it to hit infinite enemies

theoretically

[strong gyro]

i need to get some skills that regain toughness after killing a mob

[bitter anvil]

4 cleave Insta kill on headshot

[ornate bone]

It’s actually insane. I’ve shown up to matches with a taxe and have people bash it, only to sing its praises by the end.

[bitter anvil]

I run veteran with Taxe pair plasma

Feel good mobilize

[strong gyro]

how do you use single target damage when you are swarmed?

[bitter anvil]

Power sword is making me slow

[ornate bone]

That’s a great match up, since thammer, while good, can struggle against mixed hordes

[bitter anvil]

Just hit and dodge it, repeat

You get the damage

[strong gyro]

by the way, since sliding around is so important for zealot, everytime i try to slide i just crouch

do i need a keybind?

[bitter anvil]

Is not like one hit kill but your dodging is elusive

[bitter anvil]

Swap toggle crouch to hold slide

[ornate bone]

Also, take the talent that allows you to auto dodge when sprinting.

[bitter anvil]

Then you can just run and tap the slide

[ornate bone]

That’s invaluable.

[strong gyro]

whats it called?

[bitter anvil]

Swift certain

[strong gyro]

i will check

[rustic bobcat]

copy. yeah, zealot's the hardest for me to grasp of the four classes

[bitter anvil]

Zealot tree is skill demand now

Lot of not great node taxing

[strong gyro]

you can use psyker effortlessly? how

[bitter anvil]

But you’ll need it someway

[long oasis]

you need to be sprinting to slide or you need to dodge first and then slide

[bitter anvil]

Force great sword lmao

Or staves psyker

Like voidstrike or blast

[strong gyro]

the psyker percentage management is stressful

[rustic bobcat]

vet, i just turn my brain off, flip on exe stance, and get sniping or pop voc every so often
psyker i just laugh at hordes with fire staff and bitchslap heavies with force sword, admittedly im a little worried about having to hit big guys several times in melee but still
ogryn i just pop bull rush and spam heavy/light loop and watch as nothing can hit me

zealot's very dodge heavy and definitely the one i suck with

[rustic bobcat]

admittedly something i kinda picked up on, but psykinetic wrath helps a lot

the mass dot fire staff can do is huge

[bitter anvil]

Exe stance micro managing not get melee on your back

[strong gyro]

hard to do on a keyboard, i forget to run sometimes

[pale spindle]

Psyker for me is turn my brain off mode

[rustic bobcat]

eh true

i have had moments where i get smacked cuz i wasnt looking

[strong gyro]

really

i tried psyker and gave up instantly

[pale spindle]

Yes really, probably my easiest class

[rustic bobcat]

i dont really have a brain off class

[strong gyro]

too much going on

[pale spindle]

I press 2 buttons everything dies

[strong gyro]

i tried arbites some days ago and its so easy

[rustic bobcat]

easiest to hardest for me is like
vet/ogrn
psyker to some degree
vet

no clue on arbites

[bitter anvil]

Arbite is low skill ceiling class

Heavy Stagger base

[strong gyro]

the skills are like cheating?

[bitter anvil]

and dog

[strong gyro]

idk

so powerful

[acoustic dune]

It's a paid class

[bitter anvil]

Well is meant to be tank and damage

[acoustic dune]

Ofc is low ceiling

[bitter anvil]

Yuh

[strong gyro]

shield and a high damage electric mallet

crazy

[fluid rapids]

what blessings you guys use on duelling sword?

[pale spindle]

Ew DS

🤮

[fluid rapids]

im using thrust uncanny rn

[bitter anvil]

Precog and uncanny

[long oasis]

precog uncanny

[bitter anvil]

That’s the braindead combo

[pale spindle]

Be a demon and go agile precog 😈

[fluid rapids]

im new to the game and just trying out weapons stop crying 🫩

[pale spindle]

Play any other weapons and you will have fun trust

[bitter anvil]

Everyone here told Ds is braindead weapon

[fluid rapids]

what does finesse exactly do again

[bitter anvil]

Headshot dmg and attack speed

[long oasis]

use what you want but just know that people consider DS to be no skill

[fluid rapids]

but im having fun playing all kinds of different weapons

[bitter anvil]

Oh that precog?

Is dead shot dmg not attack speed

[fluid rapids]

i dont really give a shit what people think of the fun i have in my game to be honest

[pale spindle]

You enjoy oneshotting everything in the game? 😞

[long oasis]

press inspect on your weapon and hover over the finesse modifier

[strong gyro]

ahh i need to remove 4 skill points for swift

[fluid rapids]

ah thankyou, much appreciated

[long oasis]

also wtf is your pfp lol

[fluid rapids]

uhm, yes? whats not to like

[bitter anvil]

It won’t increase attack speed but headshot dmg

[long oasis]

not like I can talk tho

[pale spindle]

It gets old fast trust

Be like me an evis coper 😈

[fluid rapids]

so precog over uncanny?

[fluid rapids]

whats evis

[acoustic dune]

We need a arbiters rework where we get more dogs

[bitter anvil]

Uncanny is increase against armor dmg, with precog you one shot for it

[bitter anvil]

Two handed chainsword

Like great chainsword

[fluid rapids]

i have around 100 hours in the game so im not new new, i have a rough understanding of most things but im still learning a lot

[acoustic dune]

100hours only?

[fluid rapids]

oh thats my favorite weapon on zealot, the heavy evisceratot?

[bitter anvil]

Yes

[fluid rapids]

that thing is so fun

[carmine falcon]

Just play what u find fun
Hop on relic blade

[acoustic dune]

Chat post this fool on the wall

[pale spindle]

No but it's mine

[strong gyro]

anyone else having issues on darktide right now? its got crazy latency

[acoustic dune]

Check the server you are in

[pale spindle]

Average Darktide hours

[strong gyro]

im removing skill points but its not updating

[fluid rapids]

yes that is what i said good job brother

[bitter anvil]

Exit it out and go back talent

[strong gyro]

ok

[fluid rapids]

so for example at havoc 40 just hypothetically it would be better since i dont have to hit something 5 times

[acoustic dune]

Only 100 hour
Fool this wall on thebpost

[bitter anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1287161017205526608/s3OnVwp.gif

[pale spindle]

Hypothetically?

[acoustic dune]

My dog whose about to eat a pox burster

[pale spindle]

My dog about to push the poxwalkers towards the Smyker

[fluid rapids]

and what about riposte precog

isnt that good

[acoustic dune]

My dog about to explode the barrel next to the smyker

[fluid rapids]

just answer the damn question you filistine

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-with-butterfly-on-nose-dog-with-butterfly-butterfly-gif-13282441872748349107

[strong gyro]

ok time to level up relic blade

[pale spindle]

The disgusting blessing combo is agile precog

[acoustic dune]

On the bs?

Or

[bitter anvil]

You need few 2-3 hit to achieve one headshot, but when precog without Rending you deal somewhat 78% hp remain; on carapace

[pale spindle]

Ds

[fluid rapids]

isnt agile overkill? i literally never ever feel like im running out of dodges even with slide dodging

[bitter anvil]

On flak you already one hit kill on heavy thrust

[acoustic dune]

On the bs or?

[fluid rapids]

interesting

[pale spindle]

If you are consistently dodging it means you are constantly procing precog

[fluid rapids]

🫩

youre answering questions im not asking

[bitter anvil]

Agile give refresh dodges on headshotting melee

Agile the blessing

[fluid rapids]

yes i know

[fluid rapids]

.

[pale spindle]

See this is why I never an serious when people start asking for advice, they just start to get a tantrum

[fluid rapids]

so having a discussion about blessings is a tantrum

[pale spindle]

#zealot-class message

[fluid rapids]

i sentence you to auric maelstrom metalfab with random level 10s for 3 hours

[pale spindle]

This doesn't sound like a discussion to me

😮‍💨

[bitter anvil]

Is just people bandwagon said dueling sword is braindead skill

zealot run dueling sword make sleepy game they said

If you go have fun just don’t get bother from it

[fluid rapids]

ok 😃👍🏽

[bitter anvil]

Overusing build bad habits

[fluid rapids]

anyway

[fluid rapids]

yeah exactly

im not bothered by it tho

[pale spindle]

Having unlimited dodges means you never need to ever stop dodging, which means unlimited precog, duelist, and second wind procs

[fluid rapids]

just find it interesting how different everyone is using the same weapon

[bitter anvil]

I call those meta slave

[fluid rapids]

i appreciate you explaining it i really do but i understand it like i said

i meant isnt it overkill for ME since i feel like i never run out of dodges

[pale spindle]

What difficulty do you play?

[fluid rapids]

havoc 30

still grinding

[bitter anvil]

Woah

[misty nova]

Agile propaganda in the big 2025

[bitter anvil]

Havoc on it already?

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[pale spindle]

Agile deez 😈

[bitter anvil]

I’m just reg damnation for 800 hour

[pale spindle]

I hate DS I warned them all

[fluid rapids]

i come from vermintide so this was not a big unknown scene for me

[bitter anvil]

Of course is Victor Saltzpyre player

[fluid rapids]

kerilian main baby

my boo

[bitter anvil]

WORSE

BAAAAAH

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-nuts-disappear-gone-meme-black-gif-17361708

[fluid rapids]

now whats wrong with her

😩

[pale spindle]

Idk play more aggressively but I specifically don't take agile because it feels like I'm turning off my brain

[long oasis]

shes an elf

[bitter anvil]

Everyone clowned on her since vermin

[long oasis]

(knife ear)

[bitter anvil]

[pale spindle]

IM GONNA SAY THE K WORD

[fluid rapids]

you are such a tiring person i swear 😂😂

[bitter anvil]

Pointy ears leaf lover

[fluid rapids]

quirky ahh guy

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/arab-saudi-she-was-a-fairy-arab-saudi-running-away-arab-fairy-man-gif-10527514472607827274

[fluid rapids]

yes i like elves HAHA

thats why i initially picked her

[pale spindle]

Aww thx 😘

[fluid rapids]

love me a good ole’ knife ear

[long oasis]

you two should get married

[bitter anvil]

Elites elf player are like zealot rush ahead

And dies

Handmaiden rush

[fluid rapids]

anyway one more question regarding the duelling sword

so thrust increases strength right

[bitter anvil]

Yes

[fluid rapids]

but how much damage % increase is strength

[bitter anvil]

It take too slow to increase 20%

[pale spindle]

Arggggg no more dueling sword

Can we go back to shitposting like Zealot chat is supposed to 😞

[long oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961687761151221773/1371436905668939836/attachment78789798.gif

[fluid rapids]

oh

[pale spindle]

Thanks

[fluid rapids]

ok that makes sense

[bitter anvil]

You would check the thurst icon holding down up 3 stack taking too long to yield max damage

[fluid rapids]

gotcha

[bitter anvil]

Quick heavy stab is what it need

Hold heavy few second and stab it

Regardless damage base on charge

[fluid rapids]

ok i think i go with precog agile or precog riposte tomorrow

[long oasis]

the calculation for strength is super confusing and obfuscated for no reason, it gives a bunch of buffs besides damage like increased cleave and impact

[fluid rapids]

that sounds fair

[bitter anvil]

Switching from uncanny?

[fluid rapids]

gonna try it out

[craggy jackal]

What’s agile do again

[fluid rapids]

see how comfortable it feels

[bitter anvil]

Refresh dodge on headshot melee

[fluid rapids]

i can always mix and match

i dont really play zealot that much on higher difficulties since she was lacking behind a bit on curios and stuff

fkn diamantine is such a bitch to get

[misty nova]

(Occupies a place that could go for a better blessing)

[fluid rapids]

but now im finally up there so i can start pushing havocs

[misty nova]

ahem

[fluid rapids]

like what

what would you run then

[misty nova]

Dodge refresh on weakspot hit

Me?

[fluid rapids]

bc i said agile was a bit overkill

[carmine falcon]

Agile will unironically make you awful at the game

[misty nova]

Uncanny Precognition

[fluid rapids]

that was my first thought

[carmine falcon]

Uncanny precog is the way

[bitter anvil]

[fluid rapids]

yeah i switched thrust for precog now since lasagna explained me that it takes too long to charge

thinking back at it i dont fully charge anyway at all ever

so its kinda a wasted blessing for me

or well, very rarely i fully charge in certain situations

[grizzled laurel]

thrust just always takes a fixed amount of time to activate

so if your heavy charges fast that fixed amount slows you down by a larger percent

[bitter anvil]

Kiddie game character of Darktide

[fluid rapids]

i may swap uncanny for riposte to see how it plays

[long oasis]

I feel like thammer thrust still charges considerably slower than ds thrust

[bitter anvil]

Pair with invocation death you get ability reduce faster

[fluid rapids]

ok now my next question, how do i use evis correctly? bc i see people literally chopping crushers in half on a single revved heavy and im sitting here getting stuck in an animation getting my pants pulled down while the horde has their way with me

[acoustic dune]

We gotta play roblox darktide togheter

[bitter anvil]

I just played Zombie Revenge 2 and larp as veteran shooter with laser gun

Another base defense game

[long oasis]

fury of the faithful AFTER you hit them with the rev attack

[bitter anvil]

Is fun like final stand 2

[long oasis]

it makes a world of difference

[acoustic dune]

Last stand 2 is fun

[fluid rapids]

im using invocation and pious together

[bitter anvil]

Too bad lock behind gamepass 499

[acoustic dune]

Yeah

Laser mini gun doh

[fluid rapids]

ohhhhhhh ok that makes sense, i was using chorus

ill try fury next time im using it

why tf did i not think of that

[bitter anvil]

Fury of faith give 100% Rending melee damage

[long oasis]

evis can fit any crit build tho cuz shred

[bitter anvil]

Which I see why

[fluid rapids]

damn ok

thats a lot of rending

[bitter anvil]

Yuh

[fluid rapids]

whats your guys most hated weapon

[bitter anvil]

DS

Everyone hate ds

[long oasis]

also chastising after makes all the damage ticks into crits instead of only the first hit

[fluid rapids]

HAHA

[long oasis]

caxe used to be public enemy no 1

[fluid rapids]

yeah i can see from a seasoned player broken shit is cringe

[long oasis]

people used to complain about how busted having infinite cleave was, then they introduced the 1 shot sword

[fluid rapids]

trust me i will vomit out the duelling sword after a couple of weeks

[misty mason]

was it?

[bitter anvil]

Laser miningun limited to one person use is like hero syndrome

[long oasis]

yes because of bm

[acoustic dune]

Not in career mode

[fluid rapids]

i think thats the one weapon i never used

[acoustic dune]

Or so I hope

[bitter anvil]

Brutal momentum on chaxe???

That’s wild

[long oasis]

caxe

[misty mason]

combat axe

[long oasis]

I love abbreivations

[fluid rapids]

oh

[long oasis]

like cp2077

[fluid rapids]

no combat axe is my baby

[bitter anvil]

Antax

[misty mason]

chaxe still meh imo

[long oasis]

I love chaxe but its just not very usable for the current difficulties

[acoustic dune]

People use the chain axe?

[fluid rapids]

why

im using bm headtaker

isnt that good?

[misty mason]

yes

[bitter anvil]

I read bm on chaxe is weird blessing on it

[acoustic dune]

When is the double hand chain axe?

[grizzled laurel]

its thammer for non zealots

[misty mason]

oh chaxe?

idk

[long oasis]

they used to? Not anymore tho

[fluid rapids]

oh no i was talking about caxe

[misty mason]

then yes

[long oasis]

I used it to obliterate orthus twins

[bitter anvil]

I read someone said chaxe with bm

Is strange

[long oasis]

they should give chaxe bm

[acoustic dune]

Why does the enemy get to use the double hand chain axe?

[fluid rapids]

why is that so

[misty mason]

bm headtaker good on caxe

[fluid rapids]

i have never used chaxe

[bitter anvil]

Yes

[grizzled laurel]

chain axe, ch-axe
combat axe, co-xe

[bitter anvil]

With my antax

[long oasis]

because they are cool

[acoustic dune]

Are you calling us zealot uncool

[long oasis]

also valid tho

yes

[fluid rapids]

ok ty

[long oasis]

zealots are stinky

[misty mason]

i usually juat say rashad

[acoustic dune]

I am kissing you

[long oasis]

no!!!

[fluid rapids]

is flamer really the best weapon on zealot

[acoustic dune]

I'll see you on11th July 2025 11pm

[fluid rapids]

i tried using it but it feels like lugging a freight train with me

[long oasis]

rimworld dlc drops on that day

[misty mason]

no

[acoustic dune]

Dlc deez nutz

[long oasis]

its a very specialized weapon

[fluid rapids]

then what is in your opinion

[misty mason]

its v good, but no best

[acoustic dune]

We bouta rim and chill

[misty mason]

revolver probs

[fluid rapids]

oh really?

[long oasis]

bro that frog gets more blurry every time you send it

[fluid rapids]

but the ads one right

zarona i think?

[misty mason]

but vry subjective

[acoustic dune]

It's gaining power

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-master-sphynx-cat-cat-sphynx-bubbles-gif-13733975583740424018

[fluid rapids]

revolver with relic blade has been my favorite loadout to run

[long oasis]

zealot has a few good options now since they buffed a lot of the underperformers

[fluid rapids]

relic blade is so fun

[acoustic dune]

NO ONE BEAT MY GOAT BUBBLE MASTER

[acoustic dune]

Still waiting for that zealot rework

[long oasis]

but none of them are like "mandatory you have to use this" tier

[long oasis]

its never happening

[acoustic dune]

A man can dream

[full nebula]

Nah it is

[acoustic dune]

A man can dream...

[long oasis]

cole should send that throwing knife one shot video again to assert revolver dominance

[full nebula]

They've said theyre making changes, but they weren't ready to talk about it

[acoustic dune]

Just give us a hand canon

Like a one shotting one chamber gun

[acoustic dune]

High damage low ammo for normal non mutant humie

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-sigma-oso-gif-7610478615258254705

[fluid rapids]

whats dump stat on ds

mobility or cleave

[long oasis]

depends on the mark

[fluid rapids]

4

[fluid rapids]

fuck

ah well time to roll a new one

[craggy jackal]

You can still dump mobility lol

Neither of the dump stats have a crazy effect on the weapon

[ebon fox]

Blessings for t hammer?

[acoustic dune]

I forgot there's e different ds mark

I only use the rapier version

[long oasis]

you still get 5 dodges even if u dump mobility

which one is the rapier version

[acoustic dune]

The pointy stick one only

Heavy stab only

[craggy jackal]

4

[long oasis]

a

I wish they went through with the rework and gave one of them the dclaw parry

[fluid rapids]

oh

ok then no problem i will keep cleave

[north sedge]

Thrust + slaughterer or headtaker

[ebon fox]

Thank you sir

[acoustic dune]

I wish dclow parry parry was on rmb

[spring fractal]

in havoc it is

but even a tryharding zealot has good reason to bring something else

flamer is v unethical tho

infinite cleave 😭

[long oasis]

they should let me sekiro parry moebian captains

[spring fractal]

boltgun is prob the best all around zealot gun

but heavy lasgpistol and bolt pistol are both very good options

[worldly agate]

what's unethical abt that

[spring fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-i-will-not-interact-gif-9380134741995340701

[worldly agate]

slab shield h2 has inf cleave

but its recommended to just spam heavy 1

curious..

[clever swan]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-bounce-gif-4494413053043569714

[spring fractal]

nothing about ogryn is ethical...

[worldly agate]

u just want every class to have the 1 good vet build power level

people get mad when classes actually have good options at all levels

[acoustic dune]

Recon lasy vet my beloved

[spring fractal]

nah

[long oasis]

Ogryns are banned in several states due to their firepower

[worldly agate]

just make rumbler garbage and ogryn is perfectly acceptable

[ebon fox]

How about crusher? Is it good on zealot? If so what blessings on it?

[spring fractal]

people get mad when they're told to use good options instead of god tier broken options

[spring fractal]

crusher's great, but a lil tricky to use at first

[worldly agate]

the problem here is u said options

there is no option on classes that are not ogryn or arbites

[spring fractal]

it takes Skullcrusher + Slaughterer with Flak/Maniac/Elites + Uyielding

Carapace if you insist but i would suggest that crushers aren't that big of a threat once you get used to fighting them with a weapon that doesn't kill them like they're a poxwalker

[clever swan]

this chainaxe guy just said sekiro is the worst from game, you cant trust this guy for a second

[craggy jackal]

Hammerblow

[spring fractal]

hammerblow's alright

[worldly agate]

im right

awuga what are your thoughts on the chainaxe on zealot

[spring fractal]

Flamer, Inferno/Trauma staff, Uncanny Strike

[spring fractal]

i havent used it, but ive seen it do good work, even in havoc

ill get around trying it someday

im too crusher-pilled at the moment

[worldly agate]

I only use weapons that look cool

[craggy jackal]

uses chainaxe

[spring fractal]

that's the first based thing ive seen you say here

[worldly agate]

metal stick not as cool as chainsaw axe or giant sword with electricity power button

[brisk raft]

Duelling Sword?

Hehehe

[worldly agate]

dueling sword is just a saber

[spring fractal]

the crusher looks a little underwhelming ill give you that

v fun weapon tho

[brisk raft]

I wished we had Power Sabres, like the ones in Dawn of War

[spring fractal]

also Gold Toughness lol

[brisk raft]

A slower heavier Duelling Sword that can be powered up

[spring fractal]

Psykenetic's Aura, Invocation of Death, Tactical Awareness, etc

[brisk raft]

But is me fanfic

[worldly agate]

idk I dont actually hhave a psyker character

before the arbites update i only had a zealot

[brisk raft]

I do wonder if there's any playtesting going on for any talent tree reworks

[spring fractal]

that's the second based thing ive seen you say

[worldly agate]

I also came back to the game after like a 8 month gap because of arbites update

[spring fractal]

you're improving midir

[worldly agate]

before this update my only character was 1 zealot

I made an ogryn like 3 days ago

[spring fractal]

do you use the heavy sword

[worldly agate]

never used that only devils claw because I thought the parry was cool

and some of the devils claw versions look cool

[craggy jackal]

The 4

[spring fractal]

i can kinda respect that

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f2258af-4894-425b-992b-2026f49aebfc/honest-0-cdr-zealot

[worldly agate]

I wish this game had 2h greatsword from vermintide

[spring fractal]

you should try this build tho

[worldly agate]

relic blade is more like executioner sword

[spring fractal]

if you use it and disagree you can yell at me

[worldly agate]

the heavy sword is u spam heavy for horde clear weapon right

[spring fractal]

not the heavy sword 6

[craggy jackal]

Does defenses not dump give an extra dodge or something

[spring fractal]

horde clear is l1 h2 loops, light spam for particularly thick hordes but with just poxwalkers and no elites

[worldly agate]

welcome back relic blade

[spring fractal]

i only light spam hordes like, once or twice a mission if that

more niche

for horde clear though i make very liberal use of Push Attack into h2

you don't have a lot of horde stagger when clearing with the heavy, so you gotta use the pushes a lot

feels like a vt2 weapon a bit

[worldly agate]

darktide should have a weapon where u spam push attack for single target like vermintide

[spring fractal]

single target is h1 h2 loops or h1 special loops, using the latter if the enemy is armored or you can't hit heads on the h2 from your angle

[worldly agate]

i want trollhammer torpedo
I want sword and mace
I want flail and shield

turn zealot into warrior priest

[spring fractal]

you don't need cleave targets cause you're using deathblow, the hs6's h2 is a strikedown with an unusually wide angle, adding deathblow means you can cleave thru a bunch of guys heads with what's supposed to be a single target heavy

so cause of that the extra cleave targets is making a minor impact

[spring fractal]

and having more defenses makes your pushes cost less, which helps with this bit

[spring fractal]

you can also swap good balance for TWBS, or any other optional node for it, i think one player i respect drop the attack speed but i would never do that personally

dropping TWBS here is something i do to be extra

[worldly agate]

I'm afraid the bolt weapons are all too dishonest for this to be a honest build

u must replace it with the stub revolver...

[spring fractal]

bolt pistol is kino honesty ill havbe you know

heavy sword bolt pistol is literally the most honest combo....

you have so much to learn midir ,,,

[worldly agate]

actually idk is bolt pistol the one where aim down sight makes it automatic and then u kill bosses instantly with the zealot ranged boss dmg talent

I forgot a ton of shit abt this game

[spring fractal]

no

that's the boltgun

[worldly agate]

oh then I've never used bolt pistol

[spring fractal]

bolt pistol is wholesome

[worldly agate]

bolt pistol is like the stub revolver but better then right

[spring fractal]

kinda

better in some ways worse than others

[worldly agate]

u kill the specials instantly type gun

its reload speed might be worse

maybe

[ebon fox]

I’d like a two handed version of the heavy sword

[spring fractal]

better ammo efficiency, magazine, reload, needs headshots for 1 shots on most elites and specials (but will 2 shot them all), reloading it is faster (assuming zarona's empty) and does better boss dmg

but it is way worse at killing maulers and crushers, and has less mobility

[worldly agate]

I thought you did heavy sword heavies with 2 hands

or was that the devils claw

[spring fractal]

you do the heavy attacks with 2 hands

[worldly agate]

it's a two handed weapon ong

I might test out the heavy sword

see how peak it feels

[spring fractal]

its like a hand and a half sword

the thing that makes it feel peak is decapitating 4 gunners or shotgunners in one swing

[worldly agate]

big giant ass messer but not messer right

that's the heavy sword visually I think

[obsidian prairie]

Falchion

[worldly agate]

it's too big to be a falcon

falchion

[ebon fox]

Blessings for hs?

[spring fractal]

and then also the fact that you actually have to respect crushers and maulers to a lesser extent, dodge them and kite them, etc

i find that way more fun and engaging then 2 shot instakilling them

[spring fractal]

headtaker deathblow always

[worldly agate]

the chain axe takes like 4 light revs to kill crushers so u gotta respect them too

[hard nexus]

mk7 is that same strikedown but it’s h1

instead of h2

[worldly agate]

it probably 2 shots them if u go with like unyielding elite or something

[spring fractal]

technically it's from the opposite side but yeah lol

[worldly agate]

but then u lose a ton of breakpoints from flak and maniac

[hard nexus]

mk7 is better

H1 light combo for hordes

[spring fractal]

it's peference

[hard nexus]

ehhh

kinda but

mk7 edges out

[spring fractal]

hs6 gets the same combo

but with l1 h2

[worldly agate]

I like weapons where u have to do heavies for horde clear idk why

[hard nexus]

same combo but horde clear is on h2

[worldly agate]

I just hate spamming light

[hard nexus]

it’s better to have the heavy first for elite packs

[spring fractal]

i agree

[hard nexus]

eeviiisssscerrattoorrrr

[worldly agate]

heavies feel more satisfying somehow

[spring fractal]

i like special h1 on hs6 for single targets way mroe tho

i respect the scooper sword tho

just not my pref

[hard nexus]

woe mk9 upon ye

[worldly agate]

when I first started playing I tried out eviscerate but imo it felt like shit

but I hear they buffed it

or something

[hard nexus]

have you tried it since the buff

[hard nexus]

it’s slightly below relic blade tier

the main loss it has compared to relic is no cleaving rager stagger

(exception of extending a stagger from chastise)

[hard nexus]

also having to saw instead of just one shot poking a crusher with a thrust

[spring fractal]

this messer would be the heavy sword 9

[hard nexus]

but it’s very good now

[acoustic dune]

you made it a sticker

?

pleak

[hard nexus]

it’s been a sticker since i colored it

[ripe quest]

It's slightly better now, but if you don't like the core issues of the Eviscerator it'll still be roughly the same weapon.

[worldly agate]

yeah that's what i remember heavy sword looking like

[acoustic dune]

just saw it now

[hard nexus]

it’s not “slightly better” it’s better in every way in no small amount

[worldly agate]

I stopped playing darktide for today because this game makes my fingers hurt lol

[hard nexus]

well not every way but you get what i mean

[craggy jackal]

Mk 9 hs supremacy

[spring fractal]

this is closer to the heavy sword 6 im recommending tho

[worldly agate]

did blunt weapons always like chop mutants in half and shit like a sword it looks so goofy

in v2 u just explode their heads and stuff

[spring fractal]

no

[ripe quest]

It's only slightly better compared to before. The largest magnitude of changes were on the first tick of sticky attacks.

[spring fractal]

that started last hotfix

they fucked up the gibbing somehow

you nromally explode their heads and limbs in this game too

[worldly agate]

I was using shield and maul on arbites and like literally everything getting cleaved in half

so goofy

[spring fractal]

honestly id turn gibbing off till its fixed imo

[hard nexus]

no, the most significant change was the maniac changes, and cleave changes

the sticky attack ticks was nice but it’s not what made the weapon into being actually good

[clever swan]

i thought they fixed that gibbing bug

[worldly agate]

it's still there for me

[worldly agate]

u mean the rev attacks

or does eviscerstor like stick into things on everything

[clever swan]

yeah it's probably still there true

[copper hawk]

Messer my beloved

[hard nexus]

revs

[hard nexus]

it only does that on heavies

lights it doesn’t

[worldly agate]

the sticky animation always throws me off in these games, makes me think the weapon has 0 cleave but it does

rapier in v2 for example

[hard nexus]

vt2 has a lot less obvious feedback of how much you’re cleaving

so it can definitely feel like that

[hard nexus]

do you mean sawing? or running out of cleave?

[worldly agate]

I meant like animation wise

where it looks like it sticks in the first enemy u hit

[spring fractal]

he means like the chain axe

[hard nexus]

evis and chain axe will saw at the end of certain attacks (evis does it on heavies, chaxe is mk dependant i think)

the criteria for sawing is running out of cleave

or hitting carapace (without perfect strike)

[worldly agate]

I use the mk4 chain axe I dont think it gets saw on any attacks

I think the uhh other axe variant does it on the push attack

[hard nexus]

i’m pretty sure mk4 saws on lights

[worldly agate]

oh it does yeah

but that's for single target

[hard nexus]

yeah

[worldly agate]

so it feels right

if eviscerstor does it on heavies which is horde clear i think it feels weird

[craggy jackal]

Just use the 15 evis

[hard nexus]

it does, but only after it runs out of cleave, which is either 9 or 10 default on heavies

[craggy jackal]

Then heavies are single target

[hard nexus]

mk15 is boring and stupid

[spring fractal]

the mk15 evis does light spawm for horde clear

mk3 has a moveset tho

[craggy jackal]

Rude

[spring fractal]

i couldnt get myself to like it tho even post buff

[hard nexus]

can be pushed up to about 40 with perfect strike

[lunar fable]

I don't think I've ever used the mk15

[worldly agate]

I would rather have heavy spam horde clear that feels weird than light spam

[spring fractal]

evis 3 is heavies plus lights iirc

for horde

[hard nexus]

it’s not heavy spam, it’s heavies to initiate combos and a light conbo

specifically it’s H L L PA L L repeat

for most horde clear

[worldly agate]

the small chainsword is ass right, like worse than chainaxe level mid

[spring fractal]

yes

[hard nexus]

H1 on mk3 comes out significantly faster if it’s the combo starter, rather than mid combo

which is why i don’t recommend PA H

[spring fractal]

it might be the worst melee weapon family in the game now that a bunch of the other stinkers got buffed

[ripe quest]

I was talking about magnitude, in which the first tick of sticky attacks received the most significant changes. Maniac ADM change was just for the light smiter template, cleave distribution changes were nice for the Mk III's H1 and the lights but it's still not particularly great at crowds. Overall the weapon is only a step closer to being coherent.

[hard nexus]

it can work to really good effect, but it relies on chastise

[spring fractal]

arbites can make it usable ive heard

[worldly agate]

I thought the dmg on the rev attack was capped or something so the weapon gets fucked when u get to difficulty that actually matters

that's what I hear

[hard nexus]

what do you propose to make the weapon more “coherent”?

mk3 evis right now is in an incredibly good spot, the only changes it needs right now is H2 damage increased and chain speed increased, and the other attack speed changes reduced

what do you mean by coherent, as well?

[worldly agate]

he wants it to be relic blade where it's good at killing everything in 3 seconds

[hard nexus]

you’re thinking about damage caps, which used to be an evis issue, but was removed

[hard nexus]

nerf relic blade !

[worldly agate]

i think relic blade should be OP because it's the main character weapon u see

[carmine falcon]

Nerf yourself

!!!!!

[worldly agate]

what is the icon for the zealot using? a giant sword

[hard nexus]

it’s nerf or nothing

[spring fractal]

id like to see relic blade unpowered brought up a bit and the powered brought down and equivalent ammount imo

[worldly agate]

what is the relic blade? giant sword...

[hard nexus]

unpowered is fine imo

[spring fractal]

but i think im okay with it being the best weapon in the kit

[hard nexus]

no weapon should be explicitly the best

[worldly agate]

relic blade also feels really good to use

[spring fractal]

it's complex and fun to use

[hard nexus]

it’s not really complex lol

[worldly agate]

I love the heavy heavy stab to the head thing it just looks really cool

[hard nexus]

both relic marks are extremely simple

[worldly agate]

I like that u can choose to spam light light heavy light for horde or heavy heavy spam for stuff that needs stagger locked

[spring fractal]

i think it's okay for there to be a weapon that's the best as long as there isn't a giant gap

[hard nexus]

i will say the only (human) melee weapon that should be able to consistently kill a crusher in less than a second should be the thunder hammer

[worldly agate]

relic blade should be able too as well

giant fuck ass swords must be overpowered

like the exe sword in v2

[hard nexus]

relic does everything else too well

[spring fractal]

the mark 2 aint baby proof like mk 10

[hard nexus]

yes it is lmfao

[misty mason]

Saw this and thought of zealot chat

[hard nexus]

it’s slightly more complex relatively but

it’s still super simple

[carmine falcon]

I don't see how Mk3 evis is more "complex" than mk2 relic
The combos are very similar
Hell I don't think any of the two handers are that complex
Crusher? Spam push attack or push attack heavy

[worldly agate]

the mark 2 is more complex but it's just worse than the mk 11

[carmine falcon]

Crazy stuff

[hard nexus]

uppercut heavy light loop for single target

[worldly agate]

so I never use mk2

[spring fractal]

what is your par for a complex weapon in this game

[hard nexus]

heavy light or whatever for horde

[hard nexus]

there kind aren’t any

the closest is crusher

[misty mason]

Complex is when I can't lmb to victory

[hard nexus]

yeah

[spring fractal]

okay then yeah relic blade is relatively complex compared to everything else

[worldly agate]

vermintide 2 has more complex weapons than this game and even then it's just weird shit like heavy heavy light push attack loop or whatever for horde clearing

[spring fractal]

other than maybe crusher but crusher aint that complex either

[hard nexus]

complex is when you need to learn a real combo (not just heavy light alternating) to get the most value

[misty mason]

Ye

Its a low bar but that's what it is

[worldly agate]

vermintide 2 normally did a better job at making pushing attacks actually cool and stuff u actually wanted to do

[spring fractal]

so what, the crusher and the one blaze greatsword?

the mk7 devils claw?

[median steeple]

Crusher is just like an extra attack/input

[misty mason]

I mean if you take complex as a relative term, that makes sense

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis has the combo i listed earlier, of H L L PA L L repeat for horde clear

crusher has L H L L L or something like that

[carmine falcon]

I'm not in crusher being complex camp anymore
The complexity is u don't Spam lights and have to use appropriate attacks for appropriate DMG but that's about it

[misty mason]

Most weapons are just lmb spam

[rocky gull]

I’M FINALLY DONE WITH THE STEALTH ZEALOT PENANCES

[hard nexus]

i don’t remember the crusher combos off the top of my head

[spring fractal]

yeah

[ornate bone]

no more loner 😔

[worldly agate]

what do u get from then

[ornate bone]

freedom apparently

[worldly agate]

I only do penance if there is a cool outfit in it

[hard nexus]

i wish dt weapons were more complex

[sterile basalt]

Crusher was never “complex”

[spring fractal]

it's PA/L H L L L

[hard nexus]

yah that

[spring fractal]

buhhhhh when do i use my special??

[hard nexus]

it was the most complex weapon we had when it dropped

[worldly agate]

I think talking about complex weapons in these games is a little goofy anyways

[hard nexus]

relative to other weapons, crusher is complex

but it’s still extremely simple to use

[sterile basalt]

Wasn’t it complete ass when it dropped

[median steeple]

VT2 will always have more complex melee stuff since it's a melee centered game even if the complexity isn't too deep

[worldly agate]

I think ar most weapons in this game should have like relic blade style combos

[misty mason]

Literally me

[hard nexus]

sry i meant when it got reworked into a finesse weapon

[hard nexus]

meeeee

[sterile basalt]

Vibe it

[hard nexus]

except i don’t do it on arby

[carmine falcon]

Yet always brought up as an example of complex weapon simply because light spam isn't the solution to every problem
As much as I love DT gameplay loop the move sets are largely simple

[worldly agate]

is there a thunder hammer mark that makes it the warrior priest hammer from v2

[ornate bone]

Still find it funny the equivalent of a baseball bat is a finesse weapon

[worldly agate]

I've never used it

[misty mason]

The shitty one was the marked enemy kills

[median steeple]

I can't even see it since my phone won't show it

[misty mason]

Like 3000 marked enemies

[spring fractal]

i get what you mean, but like it's certainly above the median complexity weapon of 1 strikedown heavy and one vanguagrd/strikedown heavy and a light strikedown and cleaving light that leads baxck into the appropriate heavy

[rocky gull]

the pants and shirt from this outfit i have, knife exp, and like 50 penance points

[median steeple]

It was 3500

[worldly agate]

that's stinky

[median steeple]

I'm so angry

[misty mason]

Yeh doghsit mang

[median steeple]

I did it then the next update they fucking lowered it

[spring fractal]

and heat management adds an extra layer to it

[rocky gull]

:(

[sterile basalt]

If the combo chart doesn’t fill up a whole page it’s not complex

[worldly agate]

is the relic blade the only weapon in the game with a heat manage system?

[ornate bone]

Speaking of, what makes a weapon good to use to me is being able to recognize attacks and transfer seamlessly between the light and heavy attacks you want to use while having rewarding combos for hordes, single-target and maybe tossing in a little headshot incentive

[median steeple]

Down smash

[misty mason]

Yeah it was like 3 or 4 days after I finished the last penance (except games played) that they changed it lol

[median steeple]

Wave dash the poxie

[spring fractal]

the only melee weapon, yes

[ornate bone]

Heavy attack loops and push attack combos are also pretty interesting

[carmine falcon]

Although with the way DT is played simple move sets aren't the worst thing ever
It's a fast game and u want your stuff to come out fast, also what enemy even needs combing

[misty mason]

I guess the force sword kind of does

[ornate bone]

There's a FGS mark that has a poke after the push attack and it's pretty dope

[worldly agate]

is sienna cooler than psykers

[misty mason]

But I guess heat is a distinct mechanic from perils

[worldly agate]

i would only care about psykers if they were cooler than sienna

[ornate bone]

The skinny shock maul has a single-target heavy loop, but you still can do horde combos

[spring fractal]

no

[rocky gull]

no, the psyker weapons and plasma gun have it too, but those kill you if you “overheat”

[median steeple]

Kind of but a lot of psykers kit is just sienna stuff like a lot of the other classes

[worldly agate]

[ornate bone]

There's also how the special works, such as dueling swords and tactical axes being able to stagger ragers out of their attacks

That shit's goated

[spring fractal]

this + having a satisfying/useful push attack and having a moveset that easily kills dogs after they get knocked back from a hit

that's why crusher is kino

[worldly agate]

does psyker have a staff that let's u spam area denial circles everywhere

that was my favorite v2 staff

[carmine falcon]

So none except power sword and even that one u just optimize to 2 shot things anyway

[spring fractal]

it has conflag staff but not corruscation

[misty mason]

Oh yeah conflagration rules

[worldly agate]

oh and the one that summons like the fire lightning bolt from dark souls

[ornate bone]

So true bestie

[misty mason]

Yeah bolt and beam staff

[hard nexus]

i remember back when mk15 evis PA didn’t have enough damage to one shot a dog on a PA

[misty mason]

Weird we don't have those yet

[hard nexus]

abysmal dogshit,,,

[median steeple]

I love infested armour

[ornate bone]

I'd honestly "fix" Deimos by removing that chainsword special from it, and Illisi by giving it some single-target attacks

[misty mason]

I remember for awhile beam staff was super cracked and it ruuuuled

[sterile basalt]

Nah relic blade might exceed 1 page

[hard nexus]

illisi with a strikedown would be nice

[sterile basalt]

Power sword VI is 1 full page

[median steeple]

Remember when bolt weapons just did less DMG to infested for no reason

[spring fractal]

the weapon from vt2 i wish was in this game is the mace/1h hammer

that shit's kino

[carmine falcon]

Yeah DT combat is more about how weapons feel, horde management and target priority than DMC combos anyway

[misty mason]

Ex sword my beloved

[ornate bone]

I might've mentioned it before, but the arby maul special is almost exactly what I wanted for Illisi

[worldly agate]

mever used that one

[ornate bone]

The only problem is I can't do heavy specials

[worldly agate]

I loved the spear and shield on fk kruber

[misty mason]

Oh glaive was great too

[worldly agate]

it was my joy

[spring fractal]

feels great on merc, not bad on FK either

[median steeple]

I wasn't dual weapons in darktide

Oooghh

[ornate bone]

Being able to actually do a strikedown heavy special with Illisi would feel so fucking good

[carmine falcon]

Imma need that combo list cause I be alternating lights and heavies

[spring fractal]

it really benefits from the extra cleave and attack speed on merc

[ornate bone]

Hell, give Illisi a poke heavy similar to the FGS

That fencing stabby from the opposing side

[worldly agate]

I never played merc kruber or bought grail knight

[ornate bone]

Psyker needs to be fancy

[spring fractal]

you never played merc kruber??

[worldly agate]

the only new class i bought in v2 was warrior priest saltz

[spring fractal]

how tf you played fk then??

[sterile basalt]

This is power sword VI as an example, which has 1 full page for its combo chains

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1389421676915195914/Screencast_20250630_214427.mp4?ex=686c7845&is=686b26c5&hm=97bb0290b1515d9427f03b5af63d85dcc7a01bcb723ff4fec431e0ca4c0c4a14&

[worldly agate]

only to unlock fk

oh also I would change yo merc kruber

so that my bot was merc kruber

fk kruber bot is a lobotomite

[spring fractal]

what guide is this

[ornate bone]

Merc Kruber, AKA I'm eating a rat overhead so I can yell faster

[median steeple]

@sullen forge type image

[misty mason]

Merc kruber was great

[sterile basalt]

Mine

[worldly agate]

Merc kruber didnt wear cool knight armor so he didnt get the seal of approval unfortunately

[carmine falcon]

Oooooo yeah I've seen this before
It's cool although u never really need to do any of this but makes the weapon feels way more fun

[spring fractal]

i like arbites because he feels a lot like merc and FK had a baby

[ornate bone]

PS6 enjoyers

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[spring fractal]

i just wish he wasn't so op so i could enjoy him more

[spring fractal]

link?

[worldly agate]

just don't pick any dog talents

[ornate bone]

All hail the activated push attack combo

[sterile basalt]

Not yet published

[spring fractal]

bro i dont

[sterile basalt]

[spring fractal]

shit's still op

[ornate bone]

Crusher double-tap, mutie matador

[sterile basalt]

I’m in Japan rn

[ornate bone]

It got it all

[spring fractal]

do you have one for zealot

[sterile basalt]

In fact I’m in the middle of nowhere in Japan rn

[carmine falcon]

Like I said earlier dork isn't DMC
As long as a weapon feels good I'm ballin

[worldly agate]

I went the entire right side of the tree pretty much avoiding certain things and it just feels like I'm playing worse foot knight kruber

[sterile basalt]

I will add zealot weapons later on

[ornate bone]

Bro is having a slice of life anime

[worldly agate]

foot knight kruber could do break the line every 6 seconds and got like +500% attack speed or some shit

[spring fractal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3bc1e0-7c9b-4043-baf9-1dc09bb90c95/forceful-crushe

this is my arbites

[ornate bone]

Arbeetus

[worldly agate]

I love fk kruber with sword and mace too

[sterile basalt]

[worldly agate]

sword and mace my love

[spring fractal]

i dont even take CDR and this shit's op

[ornate bone]

Right side arby is ridiculously safe

[spring fractal]

arbites made my cursher unethical 😭

[ornate bone]

But I'm becoming partial to mixing in the left keystone

[spring fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[copper hawk]

H1 l1 l2 l3 PA L1 H1
PA L1 PA L1

L1 H2 P H2
L1 H2 L1 H2
H1 H2

[ornate bone]

And I'm starting to enjoy the nancy-quinoa

[worldly agate]

im similar but ditch all of those points you have at the left and middle at the bottom

I didnt take a single range related talent

dont car about range just use stub revolver

[spring fractal]

i didnt either

[carmine falcon]

Crazy taxi how you don't need half of these to achieve the same result

[ornate bone]

After playing my EPIC SHIELD KNIGHT PSYKER WITH BIG SWORD I'm starting to become fond of popping a defensive AoE in the middle of a gunner crowd

[copper hawk]

Relic 10
L1 l2 l3
Relic 2
L1 H2 L1 H2

L1 H2
Heavies (endless)

[jagged cradle]

i don’t like it

[ornate bone]

So now I turn gunner crowds into a dance floor

[copper hawk]

You do

[spring fractal]

why

[copper hawk]

Otherwise you're doing significantly less damage

[jagged cradle]

because you built it

[copper hawk]

Wasting time with combo chain attacks being slow depending on when you swing

Lose buffs from desperation for example

[spring fractal]

🙁

[ornate bone]

@spring fractal get fucking mogged

[copper hawk]

Lose maximum damage on single targets in hordes

[sterile basalt]

My gauge for complexity is whether it manages to fill up a page or not

[jagged cradle]

blame dorn or something idk

[ornate bone]

While we're at it

[carmine falcon]

Feels more like you need to be as cracked as meow than extend your combo idk but I haven't played evis proper in a while

[worldly agate]

I'll post my arbites setup to u awuga after I get out of shower

[copper hawk]

Being ignorant to weapon combos doesn't mean the weapon is simpler, or as simple as the Relic Blade

[worldly agate]

so u can see my honesty

[ornate bone]

I'm almost sure uncharged FGS specials can stagger humanoid gunners out of their firing

[spring fractal]

😠

[copper hawk]

Like saying in vt2 that the hgh isnt complicated, or any more complicated than the exec sword

Which is patently false

[worldly agate]

what is hgh

[copper hawk]

Hgh should be the bog standard for making a good combo wpn

[jagged cradle]

don’t worry you’re still my best friend

[copper hawk]

Holy Great Hammer

[worldly agate]

oh saltz hammer

[copper hawk]

Weapon released w Warrior Priest

[ornate bone]

If I can check it well (too lazy to use those test mods), I think I'll elevate FGS's utility in this game

[copper hawk]

Yah

[worldly agate]

I love saltz hammer

it feels so good

[copper hawk]

Me too

[worldly agate]

so cool

[copper hawk]

I love combo weapons

[worldly agate]

so lovely

[ornate bone]

I think a lot of people give too little credit to being able to interrupt enemies for like a second

[worldly agate]

I use holy great hammer and dual wield hammers or holy great and flail and shield on saltz

[copper hawk]

I use book and hammer

Cuz it looks cool

And hgh because it's a fun generalist tool with sick af animations

[acoustic dune]

ey cica

[copper hawk]

Hai

[acoustic dune]

hows work

[worldly agate]

book and hammer was fun but the controls for it on controller was kinda shit

so I didnt use

[sterile basalt]

There’re maybe 6.5 people in the whole community that understand the full context of stagger as a mechanic 💀

[copper hawk]

I still remember the combos

H1 H2 L3

L1 L2 H3

[plush estuary]

If only they used Vermintide stagger mechanics

[ornate bone]

At least I'm glad the 0.5 get representation

[plush estuary]

So shrimple

[ornate bone]

When can I meet Peter Dinklage?

[worldly agate]

if only they Vermintide

[copper hawk]

If Only

[carmine falcon]

Tbh this isn't really what I'm saying
My point is in dork you're largely just curb stomping things and people always find ways to min max every weapon to do most DMG with less inputs (crusher l1 block cancel lmaooo) so to me it's all about how weapon feels, how versatile the moveset is and how smooth it feels to alternate
This is why I love crusher, it's not complex (u do like 3 inputs) but u alternate smoothly between heavies lights and PA

[sterile basalt]

Pretty sure DT’s stagger is built on top of VT2’s but with additional stuff like stagger accumulation

[worldly agate]

fatshark.... give v2 crossplay and my life is yours

[carmine falcon]

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk I'm gonna get fired today

[spring fractal]

crusher is actually kino weapon

idk hjow it took me so long to get it

using the dueling sword limits your mind

to the possibilities of what a weapon can be

[copper hawk]

Now this is entirely different to what you said

And I agree

[sacred jay]

I havent figured good build for crusher other than almost full right side stealth zealot with the duelist thrown in there

[copper hawk]

Oh good heavens

Stealth crusher

Eugh..

[carmine falcon]

Mein appollo cheese for poor wording then

[spring fractal]

i dont think i could write a worse sentence than this

[sterile basalt]

Duelling sword is perhaps the least complex weapon of all

[craggy jackal]

Loner stealth crusher

[ornate bone]

And speaking of stagger

[sterile basalt]

It was made for psyker so ofc it’s as simple as it gets

[ornate bone]

I also adore doing things like quick bodyshots with the revolver when I don't have time to actually aim for the head

[sacred jay]

Im sure it could have been worse

[spring fractal]

so simple a psyker could use it (and they dont even)