zealot-class

[ripe quest]

You don't lose access to the single target attacks on the relic blade by incorporating heavies into combos (if anything you get better single target attacks) and it isn't a 2x attack speed difference. Also builds heat faster to light spam.

[sterile basalt]

Relic’s heat scales per second powered up and per attack that hits enemies iirc

[sullen forge]

@frosty herald ive peaked

I’ve peaked

I just got called the most racist shit ever in the steam forum you started

LMAO

[frosty herald]

SHOW ME NOW

[runic grotto]

what steam forum

[void bison]

it's ok to be depressed as long as you aren't late for work

the greatest crime.

[sullen forge]

@carmine falcon got a Gem for you

[stone fern]

WHAT SHOW ME

[carmine falcon]

good post

[runic grotto]

Where

I need it now

[placid fiber]

What'd you do? Try to use reason and logic? >.>

[sullen forge]

Perchance

Telling people to calm down cause there’s other great things with the update

First mistake

Lmao

[runic grotto]

I want to read that discussion so bad

[frosty herald]

just go to https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/610914203288475763?l=english

here and read the comments

[undone pewter]

remember gang

the CMs don't read steam discussions because they're that valueless lmfao

[frosty herald]

you also realize how fragile these players are

and that their skill ceiling is almost at the floor

[runic grotto]

Where does fatshark actually look for feedback?

[placid fiber]

People are really crying hard over the ds nerfs, it's so sad

[undone pewter]

forums, here and reddit

[frosty herald]

playtesters discord forums

[runic grotto]

Because all forums have absolutely braindead people

Steam, reddit, even fs forums

[frosty herald]

playtesters get the most info and relay the most info

theres plenty of playtesters here you can just forward a suggestion to and theyll forward it

[ripe quest]

Based people forum/chat messages.

https://imgur.com/QfhjzpS

[runic grotto]

I would probably need them to know me a bit better cause I don't chat that much in here

Doubt they would pay a lot attention to feedback from an absolutely random user

[undone pewter]

I was telling strawhat to nerf plasma uncharged shots for years

[runic grotto]

Because I certainly wouldn't

[undone pewter]

shakes fist

years

[ripe quest]

I tried that and got told stuff like "what are you doing in my house" and "please leave" so idk.

[undone pewter]

I mean if you can articulate your points well that's what matters most

[placid fiber]

Dueling sword has needed a nerf since before it was added to zealot and veteran

[frosty herald]

if its good feedback theyll listen

me and path forwarded that catch a breath shouldnt deactivate on blocked hits

[runic grotto]

I knew that all lucius needed was faster swap speed

I should've said that to the playtesters, we would've gotten than buff 5 patches ago!

[ripe quest]

It's far more likely that your feedback would have issues behind the scenes than it being disregarded because you're a random. Some stuff just won't happen unless it's really needed (like they prob won't rework a weapon that's ok even if it would be baller af). Some ideas are based though and totally doable, so if you have feedback you're passionate about it wouldn't hurt.

[misty nova]

Me getting skeptical at some play testers

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

[frosty herald]

mind you

fatshark also makes decisions

[analog ember]

Can someone also tell them that they didn't fix power sword turning off upon hit?

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/tangled-flynn-riuder-a-horrible-decision-bad-decision-eye-roll-gif-4754637

[violet hornet]

Iirc they fixed this and then broke it (along with thammer and Rb activation and likely chain weapons activation too) again immediately after

[frosty herald]

saber interactive did listen to me tho :)

[placid fiber]

Sounds about right for fatshark

[analog ember]

I think that's something else

Because people were realizing a few days after the fix

That it hasn't actually been fully fixed lol

[placid fiber]

That also sounds about right for fatshark <.<

[grizzled aspen]

Pretty sure that's intended for psword?

[placid fiber]

I think they mean the veteran getting hit

[analog ember]

No they explicitly issued a fix for it

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, I know.

[violet hornet]

That's what those dirty pee sword users get

[analog ember]

Except it's not fully fixed

[grizzled aspen]

I remember some folks saying psword deactivation was intended.

And that the other power and chain weapons being deactivated was a bug from that change.

[analog ember]

Idk but that's definitely not the case anymore

[undone pewter]

I think FS said it originally but walked back on it

[analog ember]

Yeah they also removed FGS losing charges when hit while attacking with the special

In the same patch

[runic grotto]

I still don't understand, how do people not realise than the consequence of never nerfing weapons is an infinite loop of buffing weapons and then buffing enemies

[undone pewter]

They are stupid

[trail mantle]

cuase it's stupid if it is intended

[placid fiber]

eventually it will be 100 crushers just to cause a slight issue for hte player

[misty nova]

TBF
They had some good changes lately

[sullen forge]

They’re stupid

[pale spindle]

League Players have PTSD 😞

[runic grotto]

Darktide used to have way less enemies with a lot less health

[sullen forge]

I’ll be blunt

[placid fiber]

and it was still difficult

[runic grotto]

They're even more moronic than the zealot chat

[misty nova]

Except that plasma nerf proposition

[pale spindle]

Hey wait a minute

[runic grotto]

Don't even try to deny it, you know it's true

[placid fiber]

#zealot-class message

[runic grotto]

Yes

[pale spindle]

I feel insane here, but I'm not sure if "moron" is the right word

[runic grotto]

I really hope fs doesn't get scared by negative reviews and comments and does what is actually healthy for the games balance

[violet hornet]

The inevitable end of continuing to add more enemies is breaking the game engine (further), especially the sound channel issues. Weapon / player nerfs are a must

[delicate shadow]

pretty much this

playtester influence is simultaneously over and under rated

[frosty herald]

it was intended

[violet hornet]

Unless you want to put all difficulty into beefing up enemies rather than adding more bodies but that isn't popular given how the elites modifier died off

[frosty herald]

but so many people didnt like it that it was changed

[delicate shadow]

FS is also just a really fucking slow company, something that's suggested may not see the light of day for months despite being greenlit or approved and such for various reasons

[frosty herald]

miniboss crushers

[runic grotto]

Let them cook

I trust fs

I trusted them on beta test before release

I knew they would cook

And I still trust them

[visual stream]

"Why should people who have too little time to practice their skills be forced to play lower difficulties"

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/plague-ogryn-ogryn-reaction-live-reaction-plague-ogryn-live-reaction-gif-1395788199602766548

[visual stream]

???

Do you only enjoy playing high difficulty because it sounds like you're good, not because you are?

[delicate shadow]

I trust that they'll trust me after learning the hard way, it's been the way of things for the last 5 years since I got involved

[placid fiber]

Pretty much all they have done is create artificial difficulty by spamming more and more enemies in our faces

[delicate shadow]

I prefer my difficulty to be free range

[runic grotto]

not to sound rude, but I'm not sure how else to ask. But, who are you? How exactly are you involved?

[frosty herald]

playtester since vt2

[stable cypress]

lmao WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU

j/k

[undone pewter]

[delicate shadow]

it's all good lmao

[stable cypress]

@delicate shadow bretshield on fk when

[runic grotto]

How am I supposed to know that, there aren't any red signs with red circles and red arrows screaming and blinking PLAYTESTER HERE

[delicate shadow]

I've been doing testing and balancing along with community events and work since 2020

hell I'm the source of a lot of VT2s current balancing

[stable cypress]

thank you for fixing thp

[delicate shadow]

or part of the source anyway, it's a group effort

[visual stream]

In other words, he makes 1% more impact than us

[frosty herald]

getting death threats for removing infinite billhook dodges lmfao

[placid fiber]

the temp hp changes have been nice

[delicate shadow]

that did indeed happen

[frosty herald]

MF YOU LITERALLY ASKED WHO HE WAS AND I GAVCE AN ANSWER!!!!

[stable cypress]

such a shame to be nerfed from top 2 saltz weapon to top 2 saltz weapon

[violet hornet]

Aquila personally added pvp mode to vt2

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-22971269

[delicate shadow]

I've gotten death threats in VT2 and in DT I've had people try to dox me lmao

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-dontyou-gif-5071039

[runic grotto]

I meant to send that to sarah

[visual stream]

This billhook/dueling sword shit get serious, get ready to die behind it

[delicate shadow]

only took 4 years :)))))))

[undone pewter]

God I hate vermintide PVP

[placid fiber]

I've never played vermintide pvp and I never will

[frosty herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1375161407351292034/rekt.gif

[trail mantle]

what did they do to THP?

[stable cypress]

now in 5 years we'll rework bulwark to be an actual lvl15 option

[undone pewter]

you can tell who's actually played it because those who have think it'd be an AWFUL idea for vermintide and darktide (I meant to say darktide but whatever)

[placid fiber]

They fixed it

[delicate shadow]

VT2 pvp should've stayed in the perma-delayed hellscape it belonged in

[placid fiber]

I hate pvp, but, even if I didn't I still probably wouldn't do the vt2 pvp >.>'

[stable cypress]

healshare removed

[runic grotto]

Anyway, is it your fault bounty hunters double-shotted proccing twice was nerfed?

[stable cypress]

so every class has at least one decent thp option now

[delicate shadow]

healshare is a necklace trait now

[stable cypress]

stagger thp nerfed so you don't get full health from 1 shield bash

[north sedge]

it's wild to me that it's basically the only time anyone has attempted to do l4d style versus in a game

[stable cypress]

but its still good

[frosty herald]

we want solo mode we want solo mode! those same players when solo mode is added without last man standing spawning

[violet hornet]

I haven't tried vt2 pvp but I assume it'll need another 5-10 years of balance changes to be enjoyable lmao

[delicate shadow]

that one wasn't me xdd

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

[placid fiber]

or 1 fire sword heavy(which is basically a shield bash)

[visual stream]

I figured VT2 PvP was doomed from the start unless they majorly changed enemy stats or gameplay aspects

[runic grotto]

You get to live another day

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/oh_shit_fr-gif-26659683

[visual stream]

L4D2 is only playable PvP because people can't get ak47 on every single map

And laser sights

[placid fiber]

I think I put it on one of my necklaces, only to never use it cause I only play the chaos wastes

[visual stream]

And infinite biles/molos

[violet hornet]

Ak laser sight spam really does fuck up the meta in that game

[north sedge]

so l4d2 pvp is playable because of balance

[violet hornet]

Tank getting to throw one rock before getting turned into swiss cheese

[misty nova]

That's your problem

Rock

[north sedge]

i haven't played in forever but i dont remember having much issue with those things

[misty nova]

Never rock

[delicate shadow]

changes I'm partly responsible for/had a direct hand in are:
the THP changes+healshare moved to a necklace trait
a lot of the weapon balance
some of the class balance but that's a lot more of FS' rodeo

[violet hornet]

I swear I have loaded into tank while mid rock throw animation but it's been ages since I have played that pvp

[visual stream]

Uhh yeah pretty much

[violet hornet]

And yes rock is trash

[visual stream]

That is indeed the point I make

[drowsy steppe]

its waste of time

[placid fiber]

Hey, aquila. Didn't the crit chance talent on slayer used to only be 5%?

[frosty herald]

self rez warrior priest gone prepare to explode

[delicate shadow]

as for DT I've been involved since alpha testing

[drowsy steppe]

its playable cuz valve already designed the game around versus

[delicate shadow]

honestly? I forgor lmao

[placid fiber]

I remember it only being 5% the last time I played vt2 before my more recent dabbles

[stable cypress]

yeah it used to be 5%

[trail mantle]

one thing i find funny is people going like "they always gut weapons when they nerf them"

[delicate shadow]

I always forget the lazy talents that are just 5% of x stat

[trail mantle]

I think only the shredder really got killed, and it's still kinda ok

[placid fiber]

And it has since been fixed >.>

[trail mantle]

oh shit fr

[delicate shadow]

only one I remember is unbending purpose because a whole talent that's just 5% power is really really fucking funny and stupid

[trail mantle]

I thought it felt better

[runic grotto]

btw, how am I supposed to contact playtesters to give them my perfect invaluable feedback when there aren't any red signs with red circles and red arrows screaming and blinking PLAYTESTER HERE.

[stable cypress]

saltz zealot still has that fucking 5% power talent on lvl10 row lmao

[runic grotto]

Or is that part of the puzzle before giving them my awesome thoughts?

[placid fiber]

They buffed the damage, crit, finesse, and put run and gun into it as a default

[ripe quest]

Just make it yourself and push it to live

[trail mantle]

so nvm then, they've more or either fixed everything they've gutted or it wasn't gutted in the first place

outside of broken interactions, which are fixed more then intended nerfs

[tame patio]

@plush estuary can i ask what build you run?

[stable cypress]

oh right pyromancer 5% attack speed on row 10 too lol

[delicate shadow]

it's a bit of a puzzle, tbh the whole thing of having playtesters be semi-public figures is a new thing and a lot of the playtesters don't want to be known either

[stable cypress]

Completely reasonable

[delicate shadow]

in the VT2 days we weren't supposed to talk about jack shit

DT is unofficially different in that regard

[frosty herald]

pretty new thing (i may have been partially responsible for this phenominon)

[spare talon]

Embargo

[placid fiber]

cough Cole COUGH HACK COUGH

[delicate shadow]

oh it was way before Cole was involved lol

[undone pewter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1130953226611597413/1272268934170677369/GQYg7ivWMAE1RSC.gif

[placid fiber]

I see

[trail mantle]

holy shit

[ripe quest]

Was def caused by the hype the playtesters got immediately prior to p13 where they could answer questions, they were micro-celebrities immediately.

[placid fiber]

At least Cole has common sense <.<

[ripe quest]

Cole fell off idk

[delicate shadow]

it started when FS created the first playtester pool post-alpha

in alpha we weren't allowed to talk about anything publicly at all, hell I'm pretty sure all I can say about it still is that I was involved in alpha testing and that's it (got an ingame border for it so that's cool I suppose)

[spare talon]

Discord doesnt allow me to have that

Rude

[frosty herald]

some people should not be given a press kit as a youtuber or let playtesters invite random friends to playtest team based updates

[runic grotto]

If you could, would you like to have that?

[spare talon]

No lmfao

[delicate shadow]

pretty much

I lowkey dislike it but it is what it is

there's pros and cons to it

[placid fiber]

True playtesters should haven't friends smh my head

[stable cypress]

wdym you don't want Gamers screaming at you because changes happened to a live service video game

[runic grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/arrow-green-up-arrow-gif-12450997

PLAYTESTER HERE

[frosty herald]

not saying they shouldnt have friends to invite for such updates

[spare talon]

Gamers (derogatory)

[frosty herald]

but more that the playtesters vote on if that person is allowed to be invited

people that dont risk a leak

[visual stream]

slopshark

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/up-arrow-gif-24809449

FELLOW ZEALOT MORON HERE

[void bison]

[placid fiber]

froge

[trail mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-frog-gif-23876700

[placid fiber]

watermellon with legs

[runic grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669129318806454291/1178980738394226698/ezgif.com-optimize_89.gif

[undone pewter]

Play testing for this game would be neat but I'm way to bad at giving feedback to ever imagine becoming one

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/white's-tree-frog-snowflake-snowflake-frog-frog-frogs-gif-540938687770057080

[placid fiber]

Froge

without watermellon

[undone pewter]

Like giving good concrete feedback is tough

[placid fiber]

cheese

[void bison]

im incredible at video games and complaining about stuff so I think id be good at playtesting

[placid fiber]

You're gonna piss off one part of the community, or piss off the other

[oak lotus]

assault chainsword or heavy eviscerator? wanna use a chainsaw sword they look cool as hell

[frosty herald]

eviscerator

[undone pewter]

evi but in like 5 days

[trail mantle]

^

[frosty herald]

next update their removing the damage cap

[runic grotto]

I would give feedback but I don't know how to do it properly. The more I think about it, the more my ideas that I usually keep to myself actually get implemented

[frosty herald]

so its hordeclear will be disgusting

[oak lotus]

hell yeah im gonna start getting its mastery from now then

[north sedge]

I playtested star wars galaxies i can handle anything

[royal vortex]

they are deleting the accounts of everyone with a currently equipped eviscerator

[oak lotus]

mk3 or mk15?

[placid fiber]

15

[royal vortex]

split the difference

12

[ripe quest]

Chainsword has superb crowd performance if you can get cleave buffs up. Evis has better single target but funky crowd damage on anything but the sweep heavy on the Mk III.

[placid fiber]

nice, a chain-axe

[oak lotus]

damn my account is gone then 😔

[runic grotto]

Immedeately after patch 13 people thought assail was op. Aha, it needs to have longer cooldown. They nerfed it's damage like twice with absolutely nothing changing until they increased the cooldown

[frosty herald]

15

[ripe quest]

Watch the default target be set to 20 damage on lights

[plush estuary]

for what? Weapons? Havoc?

[frosty herald]

check the pins for evis info

[oak lotus]

gonna use the mk 18

[placid fiber]

And they didn't get review bombed did they >.>

[frosty herald]

new balance patch

[runic grotto]

Honestly no idea what changed

[oak lotus]

aight thanks bros

[frosty herald]

all ADM's of mk15 evis lowered to 0,4

[runic grotto]

Why did players become so aggresive and dogshit at the game

[placid fiber]

0.4 unarmored damage

[tame patio]

for when you helped with the twins

[ripe quest]

Leaks bro obliterate this user immediately

[plush estuary]

that build is made to clean twins as fast as possible

but I can make a similar one that works better for normal play

[tame patio]

id love to see it

[ripe quest]

Set all the adms to 0.1, increase damage by 10x. Give Zealot rending on hit for 5s. Zealot agenda sweep

[void bison]

everyone sucks more over time on the internet

[placid fiber]

Ainz is the resident expert at murdering twins

wait...

[void bison]

it's like smeagol turning into gollum

[placid fiber]

[plush estuary]

try this out

[tame patio]

ty

[plush estuary]

I can build weapons if you need

[placid fiber]

Can you build a good dc1?

[runic grotto]

I don't remember who helped me with twins, but it was some dude just farming them for some time after their release and he literally had like a thousand clears

[violet hornet]

Ahh yup that's me, my bad

[plush estuary]

ham has round 700-800

[placid fiber]

Where the devil's claw mark 1 actually performs

[plush estuary]

I have around 500

[ripe quest]

If they were running Chaxe they are based.

[tame patio]

sure

[runic grotto]

I think they asked for a review on steam?

[frosty herald]

hamdol is just him tho

[runic grotto]

I don't know if I can find it

[placid fiber]

Hey, they're making the mk1 usable now

[violet hornet]

Definitely excited to check that out

[placid fiber]

About time they made it useful lol

It has been sitting at the bottom of all melee weapons on zealot

for so long

[pure tree]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-life-gif-25691987

[ripe quest]

So like, if any brain-people are in the chat rn why are they saying power level multiplier and giving values like 500+. Internal power level mult is like an actual mult, and I'm willing to bet they aren't giving attacks 500x damage. They talking about power distribution or smth

[placid fiber]

I'm wondering if the multiplication is based on ###/500, but, idk for sure

[plush estuary]

what weapons are you going to use?

[runic grotto]

yes, it was Hamdolsun

[frosty herald]

actualy kitefin watched too much dragon ball z and she was writing the devblog whilst watching the namek saga

[runic grotto]

I found my comment on his steam profile

[plush estuary]

he has a few comments

[runic grotto]

a lot

https://i.vgy.me/9f2a5v.png

[ripe quest]

I'm assuming it's just power distribution then.

[void bison]

what's the greatest middle of the road weapon that is neither busted nor weak dogshit

[ripe quest]

Though I wonder if that's the internal value or the lerped one

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/scouter-explode-power-level-bulma-dragon-ball-gif-26410459

[void bison]

how are knives

[placid fiber]

Probably the taxe or dclaw

[runic grotto]

crusher

[ripe quest]

Prob Dclaw.

[trail mantle]

I like they just break when they go over a certain power level

[ripe quest]

Hsword might work just due to the Cara weakness.

[runic grotto]

I don't know where on the middle of the road do you want exactly

[tame patio]

iv been enjoying the chain axe and the relic sword but im open to suggestions

[plush estuary]

try whatever you find fun

[placid fiber]

Crusher is fairly above the middle of the road

[runic grotto]

It's on the stronger side

[placid fiber]

Unless you can't combo, then the crusher is dogshit

[runic grotto]

If you want something weaker, try shock mauls

[void bison]

I have only used the relic sword recently which is towards op

[runic grotto]

They are fairly unpopular

[placid fiber]

but that's a self issue rather than a weapon issue

[ripe quest]

no light spam crusher is definitely S tier you just gotta activate each light

🙂

[runic grotto]

or catachan swords

[placid fiber]

I'd still say the taxe

[void bison]

catachan swords are not as cool as catachan barking toads

[trail mantle]

taxe, heavy swords feel good but not too op

unless I am tupid

[frosty herald]

im still a bit miffed that crusher doesnt have a big aoe anymore

[royal vortex]

what happens when you are tupid

[ripe quest]

Taxe is below average by the same magnitude the crusher is above average.

[placid fiber]

Not even the dueling sword can save you then

[trail mantle]

you find the s 😔

[royal vortex]

horrifying

[ripe quest]

If you don't dump power output and do activated H1s the AoE is huge

[placid fiber]

tupids?

[frosty herald]

ah

[placid fiber]

tuspids?

tupisd?

[frosty herald]

might have to get a defense crusher then

[placid fiber]

tsupid?

[drowsy steppe]

gaaaaaah

all auric penance done

[trail mantle]

tupid s

[placid fiber]

tupsid?

I can't figure this puzzle out

[void bison]

I could also just use the relic sword and never power it up

cool 2h sword!!!

[violet hornet]

Congrats! Feels good for sure

[frosty herald]

btw dark heresy will be 40 dollaridoos

[runic grotto]

Damn, who pilled the "s"?

ssssss sssss sssss ss
ssss sssssssss s sssssss
ssssss ssssssss sssssssssss

[placid fiber]

don't look at me <.<'

[void bison]

you could've made loss

[placid fiber]

why are you looking at me?! >_>'

[frosty herald]

https://darkheresy.owlcat.games/preorder/en/basket

[placid fiber]

uh

Is that link supposed to do something?

[void bison]

is that a dlc or a sequel

[violet hornet]

What is this? Another rogue trader like game?

[frosty herald]

do you guys live under a rock????

[pure tree]

Ainz ledged onto a whale

[placid fiber]

This is all I see

[hushed knoll]

Man pugging to get auric storm survivor is killing me atm

[royal vortex]

Most people probably live under some sort of rock like material

[frosty herald]

https://youtu.be/KVqOfHFJQFA?si=4zo7Quah8oebkxF0

[violet hornet]

Yes how did you know?

[hushed knoll]

[placid fiber]

What is this?

[frosty herald]

its the new standalone crpg from owlcat

[royal vortex]

Away.

[placid fiber]

Ah

[frosty herald]

set in the dark heresy rulebook in the caluxis sector

[void bison]

especially if you extrapolate far enough to the outer reaches of our infinite universe

[placid fiber]

Ah yes, the cthulu sector x.x

[drowsy steppe]

I wanna say who cares but that would be rude

[hushed knoll]

Hi ily

[frosty herald]

bruh its an owlcat crpg

many people will care

[ripe quest]

> Sick looking game
> Top view turn-based strategy that isn't Mechanicus
> 0/10 game smh when will they learn

[drowsy steppe]

well Im not one of them

[placid fiber]

idk what that is supposed to mean

[drowsy steppe]

good for you tho

[frosty herald]

it has grand inquisitor anton zerbe and the tyrant star

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[placid fiber]

I'm drawing a blank

[drowsy steppe]

bro thinks everyone plays every 40K game

[frosty herald]

also it has night lords

[violet hornet]

Man with shart pfp has no interest in bg3-like games

[placid fiber]

I know almost no 40k lore lol

[misty nova]

Heeeey
It's an owl cat game
The balance is going to be funny

Side note

[runic grotto]

The only warhammer lore I know is from darktide and vt2

[royal vortex]

40kcels get mad when they mention the Adeptus Assturdius and Fuckingwho Masculinius and you don't know them by heart

[runic grotto]

But the more I play, the more I think about reading a book

[misty nova]

Can't believe Firebreak is a worse Neighborhood Watch while also being the personification of "It's alright, overrated as fuck"

[placid fiber]

I know a tiny bit more than this, but, not a whole lot

also vt2 is warhammer fantasy, not warhammer 40k

[runic grotto]

I know

[drowsy steppe]

I know what happened to r/horusgalaxy

[placid fiber]

Good, cuz I don't >.<

[violet hornet]

Yeah 😭 a bit disappointing, I had high hopes

[drowsy steppe]

does that count as knowing 40k lore

[misty nova]

Same hammer
Same war

[violet hornet]

The beta seemed fairly promising

[runic grotto]

vt2 is warhammer fantasy, not warhammer 40k

Now you do

[placid fiber]

No way

[frosty herald]

:(

[placid fiber]

U just blew my mind

[frosty herald]

people liked rogue trader alot

[placid fiber]

isn't rogue trader turn based?

[drowsy steppe]

my friend liked rogue trader

[misty nova]

Yeah
Funniest game I've ever played (in recent memory)

[trail mantle]

it's peak i'm afriad

[drowsy steppe]

I just dont

[royal vortex]

rogue trader is so based

[placid fiber]

There's nothing wrong with turn based games, I just don't vibe as well with them due to a short attention span

[royal vortex]

you can be a soulless capitalist by picking the centrist morality

[misty nova]

There's this one guy that shoots himself but he bugs out and his corpse just A-Poses there

[frosty herald]

if you liked rogue trader your probably gonna like dark heresy

[north sedge]

I just don't find it believable that a teacher would turn to drug dealing when in a tough situation

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/agenturleben-agencylife-hannover-kochstrasse-kstr-gif-27424204

[royal vortex]

Get OUT OF MY FUCKING HEAD

[violet hornet]

Just set a timer for 5 seconds and always end your turn when it ends

[royal vortex]

[runic grotto]

xcom, divinity original sin 2, baldurs gate are some of my favorite games

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-the-party-wizard-nod-nodding-laugh-gif-17827071

[misty nova]

Just wish heretical was cooler

[runic grotto]

Will I like dark heresy?

[placid fiber]

That sounds needlessly punishing, as I like taking my time sometimes x.x

I only used the time limit in hades 1 once

That was for the prophecy

[violet hornet]

Oh a turn based game sounds perfect for you then

[placid fiber]

Yeah but the action isn't as up front, which is where my short attention span becomes a problem

[placid fiber]

Honestly most games besides tide games and roguelites/roguelikes have fallen off hard for me

[violet hornet]

(the first real time games were made by progressively shortening the length of turns in turned based games until it was unnoticeably short)

[drowsy steppe]

they should make forward based game

[trail mantle]

isn't that just an rts

[violet hornet]

Like when I hold w the entire time I'm in a darktide match?

[placid fiber]

This has made tons of games I wanted to play in the past no longer interesting to me

😦

[trail mantle]

you can also be the good guy doing it while keeping that same middle path

paths within paths and shit

[placid fiber]

Like I really wanted to play dark souls 3 at one point in time... but even that has fallen off for me

[drowsy steppe]

the evils of centrism 😔

[trail mantle]

though idk if you can really do a "nice" heretical run

[ripe quest]

Weird fucked up Spore run where you're a full-carnivore but you're a pacifist moment.

[violet hornet]

Just delete all your save data every time you die, instant rogue-like

[placid fiber]

Eh...

good idea

Not sure how much fun that'd be tho

and I'm not sure that's worth as much as $40 since I'm poor

[royal vortex]

Every cow in the slaughterhouse is there voluntarily. They've been graduated to a higher form of consciousness and now understand the futility of a mortal existence

[violet hornet]

It's okay once you're in the final stage none of your decisions matter anyways (besides how your faction looks in portraits)

[trail mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[placid fiber]

Usually when the games are on sale I'm completely broke as well x.x

[delicate shadow]

Rogue trader be out here forcing you to download mods to get event flags to work properly so your ending isn't a broken piece of shit

[trail mantle]

also real

[royal vortex]

simply just don't encounter the bug

[violet hornet]

I'm a "pacifist species" so I'll just use my tractor beam thing to pick up helpless planet dwellers and leave the atmosphere while they're still in the beam. I'm not the one hurting them at all

[north sedge]

Tbf in 40k most people's endings are becoming a broken piece of shit

[trail mantle]

at least it's endings aren't as fucky as trying to do the secret ending blind in Owlcat's previous game

[royal vortex]

Um actually Fuckhead Shitface wins and becomes a daemon prince

[runic grotto]

ok, I want to read a book know

[trail mantle]

even the best most like good guy noblebright ending for rogue trader immediately falls apart after you die

[runic grotto]

I know there are many books, which should I read

[royal vortex]

nomos would never eat me (said with the confidence of a man who 'raised' an alligator from birth)

[trail mantle]

surely not

[placid fiber]

Fuckhead Shitface is my favorite DBZ Warhammer 40k character!

[median steeple]

nomos the goat....

[drowsy steppe]

aaah reminds me of New Vegas

you have to patch the game to be able to run more than 2 GB of memory

[trail mantle]

most of rogue traders stuff is fixed now afaik

[royal vortex]

well we all know gaming filesize is too large and it peaked with max payne 3

[trail mantle]

though there will be more bugs in like 6 days

since their dlc drops the day after dts

[placid fiber]

Ugh I gotta be at work at 8:30 am tomorrow x.x

[drowsy steppe]

Mass Effect trilogy was peak 2012

[placid fiber]

I am not a morning person <.<'

[delicate shadow]

nomos my beloved

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/why-would-yous-say-something-so-controversial-controversial-gif-15274636

[drowsy steppe]

ME LE is now being sold at like $3? last time I checked during discount

[royal vortex]

it is the words of beb beb, who perished after the Longchainsword incident

[frozen kernel]

I still miss Kevin

Part of the launch wave, perished long ago

[drowsy steppe]

a name Ive not heard in a long time

[delicate shadow]

all kevin needed to do was not be a homophobe

alas, alack

[frozen kernel]

Aw no he went dark side?

[royal vortex]

my favorite part of that conversation was him trying to make his point about renaming the eviscerator by comparing it to "sickle and scythe"

[frozen kernel]

God dammit

[royal vortex]

and when he realized his folly he deflated

like a balloon

[delicate shadow]

yeahhhh he dropped some very weird commentary, even for him

[drowsy steppe]

its always a mask off moments

always

[frosty herald]

can i drone strike your house

https://tenor.com/view/shonli-black-man-in-suit-black-gif-3928070010787101589

[north sedge]

Kevin says it's Kevin and eve, not Kevin and steve

[median steeple]

Kevin should maybe get a life

[frozen kernel]

Should’ve stayed in character smh

[placid fiber]

@void bison Kevin was mentioned!

[royal vortex]

lmao

[grizzled aspen]

Who the fuck is Kevin?

[frozen kernel]

Angry birds pfp dude

[median steeple]

gimmick character of zealot chat

[frozen kernel]

Always talked in 3rd person

[placid fiber]

Yog's bird, idk what they are talking about

[frozen kernel]

Only came around to drop a single sentence once in a while

Lmao well that was prophetic

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/geeked-vs-locked-in-angry-bird-vs-angry-bird-locked-in-bird-gif-17221846656631414500

Me: locked in angry bird

[frozen kernel]

Then he dropped a sinful sentence and got the hammer

[median steeple]

that robin is stupid

[sullen forge]

You: Soyjak screaming baby bird

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[royal vortex]

Me: My dad's smooth wood (seen in video)

[sullen forge]

HE GOT BANNED?!

[runic grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179754855976402995/1381370297432670379/file.gif

[frozen kernel]

#zealot-class message

[drowsy steppe]

@delicate shadow Aeriths clothes on her

[frozen kernel]

That’s as close to a grave as you’ll get

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[frozen kernel]

Gurl damn

[sullen forge]

INCAN GOT HIS ASS

[frozen kernel]

Expedition 33 on low be like

[placid fiber]

You'd think that would be easy for anyone with common sense... alas not very many internet people have common sense...

[drowsy steppe]

or maybe hes just a bigot

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/drmanhattan-watchman-delete-erase-gif-4932378

[frozen kernel]

40k gave us something as verbally stimulating as KARKER and people still use slurs smh

[misty nova]

Honest Nomos reaction

[frozen kernel]

Deep substrate foliated KARKERS

[sterile stone]

I've always said this

[delicate shadow]

yoooo

[sterile stone]

Can't trust a mf that speaks in 3rd person

[delicate shadow]

actually suits her

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[violet hornet]

Oh shit I remember this guy!

[frozen kernel]

Zealot Chat Reunion

[delicate shadow]

words to live by

[median steeple]

now we can all commit group suicide like jonestown

[trail mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-urge-gif-6840622395128066412

[frozen kernel]

I’ll bring the punch

[sullen forge]

They always end up saying the most heinous shit ever

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/john-marston-rdr-rdr2-rdr1-gun-gif-7116805855926794029

[sullen forge]

Everytime

[frozen kernel]

No no you see, Gale. It’s just what his character would do

Classic TTRPG player

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/türkiye-turkey-gif-11198383169865843648

[placid fiber]

at least the death was fairly quick in this 40k instance >.>'

[delicate shadow]

his narrative arc ultimately led to his demise

[sullen forge]

Yeah true I’m the baby robin Soyjak and HES the locked in angry bird

[sterile stone]

Still mad at how dirty they did red dead online

It deserved better

[frozen kernel]

Someone get the sniper being obliterated by a bolter gif

[drowsy steppe]

me everyday

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/geeked-vs-locked-in-angry-bird-vs-angry-bird-locked-in-bird-gif-17221846656631414500

[delicate shadow]

rockstar moment tbh

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif

[trail mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/bulgaria-bulgarian-anime-gif-26003171

[median steeple]

it would be hilarious if GTA6 online is dropped for GTA5 online

[drowsy steppe]

I thank He up above

[sullen forge]

It’s a possibility

Lmao

[drowsy steppe]

for not making me Bulgarian

or any flavor of Balkan

[sterile stone]

Thye just dropped a new update for gta online

Like very recently actually

Maybe a few days ago

[median steeple]

GTA5 online players are the literal definition of rotting and never letting go of the past

[sullen forge]

Bro you guys recall how like cheaters dropped over billion cash piles you could just get

Right

At like the start of onlines life

[placid fiber]

So how much nerfing would have to be done to make 1 crusher kinda dangerous again? Just asking for a friend >.>'

[sterile stone]

They're doing that.

Just in less of a capacity

[sullen forge]

I never got my shit rolled back

[drowsy steppe]

I conflate online players with the RP'ers

[sullen forge]

I managed to slip under the radar

[sterile stone]

My friend had a 4 billion dollar bounty set on him

[placid fiber]

Probably all the nerfing <.<'

[sullen forge]

So I’d literally get on every update

[sterile stone]

And just sat on it for like 3 years

[sullen forge]

Show my friends whatever is new

[median steeple]

Death to microsoft

[sullen forge]

And then get off

Cause I didn’t like Online

Lmao

[median steeple]

how tf did the new W11 updates break hardware accel on everything

Bruhhh

[sterile stone]

I'm pissed we never got Merryweather's clothing

For all the high tech shit we got

[sullen forge]

No shark mask

Game ruined

[sterile stone]

A simple pair of jeans with a gun holster was too much

[sullen forge]

My PC inexplicably crashing out of no where

[hard nexus]

windows 11 stiiiiinky

[sullen forge]

I should probably deep clean the thing also but

This explains a chunk of it

Mad fucking annoying

[median steeple]

"I asked chat gpt" we should skin you alive

I hate you

[plush estuary]

I got a pic for that

[frosty herald]

I like kraks

[trail mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749799445478244393/1265479387571159182/crackbert.gif

[sterile stone]

You also like dying alot.

[frosty herald]

Kinda wish they were on impact tho

[trail mantle]

crack

[sterile stone]

[median steeple]

I only run kraks besides the one build I grubbed from cole

[frosty herald]

Argus shut the fuck up

[plush estuary]

toxic

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[drowsy steppe]

toxic

[sterile stone]

I knew that'd work.

[trail mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928031086263566397/1154298321335222272/caption.gif

[sullen forge]

Arbites:

[median steeple]

path of the beast and temple of metamorphosis my beloved...

[sullen forge]

KILL THIS HERETIC

[delicate shadow]

a shitload of nerfing consider lone crushers have never been dangerous

[sullen forge]

KILL HIM NOW!!!

[placid fiber]

True

[sterile stone]

@sullen forge I could go stealth kraks

[undone pewter]

More that would be feasible or frankly even fun

[sterile stone]

[drowsy steppe]

path to yo mama

[sullen forge]

The trusty underhanded stealth Krak

[placid fiber]

This sounds heretical, and idk what this even means

[median steeple]

[LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER] One I wouldn't be a heretic I would be an apostate two both of those factions are not hell aligned they don't fuck with them

[sterile stone]

Stealing this

[sullen forge]

Explode

[flint frigate]

Why did you forward that lol

[median steeple]

Arbites will be ass because they don't have they're not copy and pasted classes like zealot and vet

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-cry-about-it-cat-cat-anime-cat-cry-gif-25253805

[delicate shadow]

SULTANATE GANG

[drowsy steppe]

SULTANATE GANG

[placid fiber]

Arbiter won't have twbs, dumpster trash of a class

[delicate shadow]

house of wisdom shadow alchemy money gang

[flint frigate]

I enjoy both of those. Wonder when they will get rules

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/punches-punching-fighting-angry-hold-me-back-gif-14170843

[median steeple]

It's just that shrimple

[flint frigate]

I like how they are supposed to be insects but everyone calls them crabs

[placid fiber]

inb4 arbiter has twbs worked in as a default thing

[sterile stone]

Can't wait for the trench crusade game that's gonna drop in the next 15 years

[flint frigate]

Walls are dumb

[median steeple]

I'm waiting for Varagian Remnants to get rules

[sterile stone]

[trail mantle]

I need just the most fucken like action slop movie

for trench crusade

[placid fiber]

True. Has a wall ever solved a math problem? I think not!

[median steeple]

Since they'll be their own faction and not a sub faction of NA like Prussia

[sterile stone]

@drowsy steppe Ohhh

That's what I wanted to show you

The all white Clerics

[flint frigate]

I want the jewish knights and the vlad vampire factions

[sterile stone]

With gas masks

[flint frigate]

Jewish knights with golems are cool

[median steeple]

I love them since they hint at more than just heaven and hell being a thing in the universe

[trail mantle]

I can't read anymore stuff about TC i don't want to be sucked in to it yet

[sterile stone]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Fn95vnpbUZA

[median steeple]

Vampire Hussars..... I love them

[sterile stone]

Here he is

[flint frigate]

The beast cult is just another demons cult as far as we know tbf.

But the door is very cool. Love doors and love staring at them till i become an eldritch bug monster

[flint frigate]

I hate it when the fent i get is laced with fent

[median steeple]

PotB got new lore recently which implies they're older than either creation or hell itself

[median steeple]

but yeah the door is cool

[delicate shadow]

da drip thoooo

[trail mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247576309937344644/1333135837902274720/crackbert2.gif

[drowsy steppe]

I was almost concerned what you mean by all white clerics

[sterile stone]

I know where you were going with that.

But those guys do exist.

[placid fiber]

don't even get me started about black mages, red mages, and white mages from ff1

[sterile stone]

I think?

[median steeple]

but whatever "the beast" is it's def older than the fallen

[flint frigate]

I havent seen it, but i saw that the youtube guy dropped another video

[median steeple]

yeah it's interesting, I think it came out with the Eire lore drop

[flint frigate]

Yeah for sure alot of hell seems to predate the fallen

[drowsy steppe]

fuick where do they find these artists, its so fucking good

[sterile stone]

I dunno

But I think there's a specific faction in the church?

Like Elites

[median steeple]

Mike Franchina does most of the art

[sterile stone]

Cause they all wear this specific gas mask

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vrLUE3TljGA

This is the same as the cleric

But he's completely different unit wise.

Like a conquistador

[median steeple]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dakkadakkastore/torquemadas-inquisition/description the source of the art is linked in the comments

Spanish based faction/sub faction

[delicate shadow]

yuzbasi my beloved...

[sterile stone]

I wonder if we'll get any Hindu based factions

[median steeple]

uncensor the birb boobs coward

[sterile stone]

I KNEW IT

They really gave the Spaniards the cleanest uniforms.

[median steeple]

this isn't offical btw

[delicate shadow]

I would but I'm sure I'll get pulled up for that lmao

the wall raaaaaaaa

[median steeple]

it's a fan faction similar to the fanmade Byzantium one

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-radar-detected-gif-11320396049810991446

[sterile stone]

They look like a army of Bardins

The mini man brigade

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/türkiye-turkey-gif-11198383169865843648

AAAAA

I LOVE WALLS

I LOVE BEING UNMARRIED AND FIGHTING FOR SULTAN

[median steeple]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/TrenchCrusade/comments/1lcs7ev/trenches_of_midgard_freebie/ also fanmade norse faction

[delicate shadow]

lmao the poor azebs

[drowsy steppe]

these are baller

[delicate shadow]

honestly it's just nice having a middle eastern faction in a game/media that isn't depicted in a disrespectful (or westernized/orientalist) manner

[devout flicker]

that triple edit XD

[delicate shadow]

like I can't think of many where that's the case outside maybe historical strategy games and even then

[delicate shadow]

words hard

[pure tree]

Someone did a "rewrite" on Twitter bcuz they thought Trench Crusade was boring, and it just made anyone that wasn't white the evil demon faction

[devout flicker]

came to ask if there's a consensus on the best perks/blessings for mk4 dueling sword for havoc specifically

running blazing piety

[solar gorge]

GW writing araby lore for wfb be like

[delicate shadow]

precog and riposte, otherwise uncanny is a good option too

[solar gorge]

Just GW writing wfb atcually

[frosty herald]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLC9-HdtFrV/?igsh=YzRxamJyMzduZWJu

owlcat_games

This art presents you with a concept of a district flooded with toxic waste from the city’s production. It has shaped and mutated into a place alien and unknowable. Where one culture has destroyed itself, another has been born.

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[solar gorge]

remember the pygmies

[devout flicker]

i dont rlly fuck with precog. is riposte + uncanny alr?

running flak + unyielding on it rn

[delicate shadow]

hmm I think it's recommended to swap out riposte for uncanny and keep prcog but it should be ok

[devout flicker]

i see i'll try precog + riposte then since I like it a lot

[delicate shadow]

yea that's the play

[drowsy steppe]

Why those people could never make good art

[visual stream]

I tried precog/uncanny and it felt horrible

[drowsy steppe]

they cant see past their own narrow bigoted worldview

[visual stream]

Tried precog riposte and it instantly was much better

[drowsy steppe]

everyday Araby exist in Warhammer

[plush estuary]

You need crit to make precog shine

[visual stream]

I thought BP was enough but narp

[plush estuary]

Even BP sometimes isn't enough to get enough crit

[visual stream]

The kickstart that riposte gives is big

[plush estuary]

That's only 20% crit

From BP and base crit chance

[hushed knoll]

Hi Lambda ily

[plush estuary]

Riposte is a free 20%

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-tf2-medical-opinion-tf2-medic-dance-gif-13212522192360496386

[delicate shadow]

so riposte+uncanny is the play if you don't want precog?

[hushed knoll]

Excuse me what

[plush estuary]

Precog is so much value to drop most of the time

[hushed knoll]

Wouldn’t precog + uncanny be better

[visual stream]

I think precog is better than riposte with uncanny, at least at a glance

[hushed knoll]

What about dropping uncanny

[plush estuary]

That's why I word it like this (precog+uncanny/ripsote

[visual stream]

Since knoife already finesse

[hushed knoll]

And going precog reposte

[visual stream]

Very good

[delicate shadow]

I mean I just run precog+riposte so I wouldn't really know for sure what's best to swap for uncanny ngl

[plush estuary]

Uncanny lacerate/flesh tearer

[runic grotto]

Uncanny + flesh tearer

[solar gorge]

no

you got it all wrong

[delicate shadow]

ds4 tho

[delicate shadow]

AGONY

[solar gorge]

flesh tearer + lacerate

[hushed knoll]

I miss when you could bleed bulwarks by hitting their shield

[delicate shadow]

dude it's crazy seeing people discuss the Americas in the TC discord

people hate the idea of not having colonialism, it's wildly mask off lmao

[pure tree]

I just don't even bother. Any setting with a historical basis and Warhammer fans sounds like a moron breeding ground

[median steeple]

thankfully most of those idiots were kicked to the fringes like twitter at the start

[hushed knoll]

[frosty herald]

I see nothing wrong with araby?

[drowsy steppe]

its racist

[hushed knoll]

Are warhammer fans morally questionable

[frosty herald]

Seems like its based on arabic folklore

[delicate shadow]

araby in WHF is outright racist

there's a reason GW doesn't touch it

[drowsy steppe]

hates the idea of Native Americans thriving

*BUT WHERES MY USA IN TC

[solar gorge]

it was only cliches + they're all evil

[median steeple]

depends on the faction and area of the player

[drowsy steppe]

yep why Warhammer 3 will never have Araby fleshed out

[hushed knoll]

What does this mean

[solar gorge]

nah, they could pull it off

[median steeple]

like an imperium player will be the most likely to be racist, but it's not all imperium players.

[pure tree]

If you play Aeldari, you're gay

[delicate shadow]

Creative Assembly could do it, GW just won't allow it is my guess

[pure tree]

Not even me saying that

[median steeple]

CA made Cathay cool they could fix Araby

[solar gorge]

CA fixed Cathay, so it's only up to what GW allows

[delicate shadow]

mhm

[hushed knoll]

Don’t forget DnD had that “oriental” expansion in the 90s

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

crazy times

[drowsy steppe]

Cathay had direct help in GW when fleshing them out

[delicate shadow]

oh god, fucking Zakhara and Kara-Tur

[hushed knoll]

Yeah

There’s a reason they’re barely mentioned in lore lol

[drowsy steppe]

like it would be really hard to even try to flesh out Araby as a faction that was originally just orientalist Arabic stereotypes

[drowsy steppe]

pain

[delicate shadow]

you'd be basically rebuilding the region/faction from the ground up

[drowsy steppe]

oh yea speaking of that

I gotta show you something

[delicate shadow]

which would be a good thing tbh

[hushed knoll]

And Maztica

[drowsy steppe]

ORIENTAL ADVENTURES

[hushed knoll]

Yeah

[drowsy steppe]

it gets worse as you open each pages

[delicate shadow]

GAH

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-3022634959257200428

[delicate shadow]

yeah it's so fucking...white

[median steeple]

Nippon is also an area that's a bit silly and insane

[solar gorge]

Toyota

[hushed knoll]

Yeah they really did Forgotten Realms dirty

[hushed knoll]

[solar gorge]

respect Nippon lore stan

[frosty herald]

A badass ninja and samurai? Peak

[hushed knoll]

[green yacht]

Yam, hush

[drowsy steppe]

do you honestly unable to see things past rule of cool

like sheesh

[solar gorge]

The toyota clan and their hilux warriors will ruin you stan

[median steeple]

Bruce

and Tojo

[hollow meteor]

tbf, they earned the rep, once

[median steeple]

also Chow

[drowsy steppe]

to quote a review "Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly Japanese naming terminology, such as Samurai, Bushi or Shugenja. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/kits introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought. For example, anyone familiar with Korean history know just how INCREDIBLY unimaginative Koryo's name is considering that it's name is quite literally just stolen from the IRL Korean Goryeo Dynasty. [1] Yeah, real creative guys. Though I do have to admit naming a Japanese country "Wa" is pretty darn unimaginative too. [2]"

[hollow meteor]

Have you seen the video of the guy literally beating the shit out of an old Hilux and ended it by dropping it from a helicopter?

[drowsy steppe]

so yea lets conflate China and Korea as Japan

[median steeple]

Oh my fucking god

I forgot Nippon gets Kamikaze Suicide Squads LMAO

[drowsy steppe]

LMAO

[solar gorge]

how could you

it's the best part

[drowsy steppe]

they done put banzai charges

[solar gorge]

at least they weren't cartoonishly evil so they got that over araby

[delicate shadow]

THE WORST lmao

[median steeple]

"Hey dude do you have any ideas what we should put in this faction?"
"Yeah I got an idea"
https://youtu.be/JoC3EU_H2tc?si=FXhHjdiShlnilMX1

[drowsy steppe]

TENNO HEIKA BANZAI

RAAAA

[solar gorge]

bring back the human bombs in 40k GW if you dare

[trail mantle]

TENNO

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-fury-road-gif-13107073

[drowsy steppe]

real

[trail mantle]

don't they got genestealer bombs

[solar gorge]

i don't know

[trail mantle]

I think they do

[solar gorge]

but we really need the human bombs back

it's important

i want them

carnally

[frosty herald]

That is indeed a white wine

But idunno how thats relevant

[void bison]

if i was in 40k I think being a suicide bomber servitor would be cool and the emperor would love me

[trail mantle]

🤨

[solar gorge]

only if you do enough damage

[hollow meteor]

The 3 stages of Zealot

[drowsy steppe]

I kid you not

they really just have the Rising Sun flag shown on the book

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-im-not-trump-weird-horse-dr-strangelove-1964comedy-peter-sellers-gif-14713516

[delicate shadow]

that's so fucking wild lmao

[trail mantle]

I feel like servitor guided bombs are definitely a thing

[void bison]

benificent emperor, watch my tactical nuke killstreak rq

[trail mantle]

I read that in his voice

[drowsy steppe]

Oriental languages are extremely complex and only native speakers or those trained from early youth will ever be able to understand all the delicate nuances of the tongue

see if this wasnt a DnD book...

[visual stream]

Alignment languages too

What does that even mean

It's just filled with different variations of "based" or "cringe"

[drowsy steppe]

no clue

in general Im not a fan of set Alignments

[flint frigate]

Are we talking about warhammer fantasy? If we want to talk about evil factions do you know what thematically the Beastmen are supposed to be? Cuz its not good ill tell you that

[delicate shadow]

the alignment system has always been dogshit

[visual stream]

Do you mean its existence at all or how it used to be handled with some spells and such

[drowsy steppe]

See Im trying to remember where I read what beastmen supposed to be

[flint frigate]

The dnd alignment system is just the nerd version of those bogus personality tests that give you a 4 letter result

[visual stream]

I think its existence is good for character grounding and how you generally want to approach a problem with that character

[trail mantle]

it can be used well, as most things can

but a lot is also I'm chaotic neutral so it's ok if I burn this orphanage becuase it's funny

[delicate shadow]

it's existence, imo

morality and "alignment" is far more complicated than a shoddy cartesian plane can really highlight. I get what people mean when they're saying they have a lawful good paladin or w/e but you don't really need a system for that, that's just characterization and you'll be doing that anyway

[visual stream]

That would be evil objectively

[median steeple]

I just pick and choose with the system, like most races shouldn't have an innate alignment but shit like demons should always be Chaotic evil

[trail mantle]

they'll do something nice later because they are neutral

[flint frigate]

There loosely based on what the romans thought of as the germanic tribes.

Also the broo from another game is where the designs are from

[visual stream]

True, but as a concept it's neat to me and gives the DM something tangible to hold you to

[trail mantle]

people be using things stupidly

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/milkcord-milkshake-the-bell-tolls-for-thee-spykids-bel-gif-17377360833881604023

[visual stream]

Yeah that's just a bad player who should be booted from table xd

[delicate shadow]

yea like I get why it exists

I just don't treat it as much of a thing beyond a jumping off point

[drowsy steppe]

makes sense

[visual stream]

That's fine, everyone should use it to whatever degree they want to

As long as the game is fun and the characters make sense it really doesn't matter

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-jaking-it-marking-it-crank-markiplier-stream-gif-10794441761249458414

[drowsy steppe]

characterization becomes a lot more liberating when you dont think 'so what would a chaotic evil person do in this situation'

[grizzled aspen]

Lawful evil paladins are sick though.

[visual stream]

There's plenty of deviation you can have

[delicate shadow]

MINTHARA MY BELOVED

[grizzled aspen]

The real fun part of playing your character is having your dm realize that people make out of character decisions all the time.

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/minthara-baldur's-gate-3-baldur's-gate-gif-5420946022558827666

[visual stream]

Like a chaotic good (hates corrupt establishment, wants to do good by the people) would still be able to cooperate with a king to organize forces against evil or something

[drowsy steppe]

I love my fascist Queen

[grizzled aspen]

A lawful evil character is (at least at my table) capable of doing good things, but only if the law allows, and relishes in doing evil things (again, if the law allows).

[drowsy steppe]

my morals and honor gone the moment a pretty woman shows up

[flint frigate]

I found out the systems weakness when a player who was playing a literal pirate said they were lawful because their character respects rank on a ship.

Everything else about them was in the chaotic side, but hey they respect captains.

Thats like saying orcs are lawful because they respect strength XD a lawful characters personal code should be more then one sentence imo

[delicate shadow]

relatable content

[flint frigate]

Me but pretty men

[grizzled aspen]

Minthara makes my moral compass spin like an idiot in an office chair.

[delicate shadow]

also relatable content

[drowsy steppe]

valid

[delicate shadow]

look all I'm saying is, I know Kagha has issues but I can fix her bro I swear

[drowsy steppe]

I commit mass murder for this smile

😍

[flint frigate]

The wood elves are what the germanic tribes thought about themselves, the great duality of perspective between the two

[frozen kernel]

Tieflings arent people so it’s not murder

Simple as

[flint frigate]

Ah fantasy, where we can roleplay being racist

[visual stream]

The thing about lawful as an alignment is that it's not expressly about following the law
"Lawful" as an alignment means you hold yourself to strict standards on how you operate, whether that is the actual local law, or your own moral code

[trail mantle]

I suggest looking into Regil from pathfinder: wrath of the righteous, if you like some Lawful evil characters

[visual stream]

If his moral code is that he follows orders from superiors, that works

[flint frigate]

I love when writers are writing non human races and accidentally make them all racist

[delicate shadow]

bethesda moment

[placid fiber]

^

[grizzled aspen]

The good/evil alignment can also be explained. They can be subject to what a particular party believes is good or evil, or to the specific character in question. Further than that, you can have characters that are aware they are doing evil things.

[frozen kernel]

Similarly people always forgetting that a paladin doesn’t always have a God. They have an oath that they’re just incredibly devoted to

[visual stream]

She doesn't even apologize when you expose her to Halsin, she just goes "Tsk" and Halsin wags his finger at her, before leaving the grove that she JUST threatened

[trail mantle]

she definitely can repent

there is more to that quest

[delicate shadow]

yeah but she's a hot redhead so it's fine

[grizzled aspen]

Incan down horrendous for hot redheaded women.

[delicate shadow]

it's how I ended up in Canada with my partner lmao

[visual stream]

Dude I love paladins in lore

[delicate shadow]

I literally crossed the planet for a hot redhead

[flint frigate]

Except i never mentioned the law, orcs follow their cultures own laws and arent typically considered lawful.

Respecting rank in a hyper specific situation while being chaotic in every other facet of your life doesnt make you lawful

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/goofys-trial-murder-ill-do-it-again-gif-18342028433294350554

[visual stream]

If it's actually a hyper specific and only loosely-related "respect" then yeah it's hypocritical

What it sounded like, was that he's an order follower

[drowsy steppe]

the quest for pretty redhead completed

[visual stream]

Which can be lawful, even if doing bad or chaotic things

[drowsy steppe]

she does tho

you just have to do the quest to expose her first and convince her to turn against the shadow druids

[visual stream]

Oh oopsie

[copper hawk]

Noob down

[visual stream]

I didn't see a dialogue option for that, I just went straight to Halsin with it LMAO

[frozen kernel]

No Man’s Sky the Gek are horribly thought out when you think about it

[delicate shadow]

also ngl, I kill like half the druids anyway because once you talk to them you realise they're horrible people lmao

loic and marcocyl go straight into the chasm

[placid fiber]

based

[flint frigate]

Even more then that, dwarves? Gotta be racist, they hate elves. Elves? See a human? Time to be racist

It started with tolkien im telling you

[placid fiber]

Fuck those druids in particular

[visual stream]

True, but some of them are innocent

which means the evil ones will probably brainwash them into being racist

[trail mantle]

that's going in the book

[delicate shadow]

yea it's an unfortunate trope

[drowsy steppe]

see this is why FR got the edge

they aint hating each other over what facial features they have

[visual stream]

When someone shows me their Baldur's Gate party and Wyll doesn't have the horn

[trail mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807