zealot-class

[sullen forge]

And it changes every second

[drowsy steppe]

you get a rending

you get a rending

[bitter anvil]

what you gonna name your first arbites?

[drowsy steppe]

you get a rending

[frosty herald]

Fatshark listened to me <3

[past flare]

I dont udnerstand what shroudfield is

[void bison]

judge murphy

[past flare]

Its an ability? but I cant find it

[spare talon]

zealot stealth right side

[full nebula]

it doesn't need to be insane, but jfc fatshark logic is like blunt objects are bad against armor when they're fucking not at all

[drowsy steppe]

Law'zel

[delicate shadow]

it's because it's invisible

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/robocop-gif-19306982

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/laezel-lae'zel-baldur's-gate-baldur's-gate-3-eyeroll-gif-6116755444830202513

[frosty herald]

Ive said that dueling sword needed to be changed to a parry based weapons (alongside dorn)

[sullen forge]

Judge Judy

[delicate shadow]

BAEZEL RISING

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[past flare]

ah thanks

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-big-boss-gif-12248663

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-death-stranding-neil-hideo-kojima-ds2-gif-18347045313770393581

[bitter anvil]

female lex huh, fun

[spare talon]

todays patch notes drop has made me absolutely miserable

[drowsy steppe]

from the little snippets she sounded like the Katarin voice more

[twin wagon]

Who

[sullen forge]

Chat do they know

[ripe quest]

So like, Fatshark has this funny thing where they kinda want armor to actually work. Armored and Cara need to be functional. Making low-pen slashing and impact weapons poor into them kinda makes sense a bit.

[delicate shadow]

why? I've been having a great time enjoying the chaos of it all

[drowsy steppe]

since theres specific direction in how she would've voiced Lae'zel

[sullen forge]

Do they know who Judge Judy is

[spare talon]

and im directly blamed for things that did or didnt happen

[ripe quest]

It being a sidegrade parry would be cool yeah.

[full nebula]

slashing is fair, but blunt doesn't make sense

[delicate shadow]

oh, those people are silly

[spare talon]

multiple people have already been pissed off at me because taxe got a buff, when it was already a good weapon

[delicate shadow]

believe me, been there done that, you get used to it lol

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/judge-judy-what-okay-confused-really-gif-9692130079375504479

[full nebula]

negative

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-all-your-fault-lemon-grab-blame-pointing-fingers-gif-9301943

[full nebula]

they will be good

[ripe quest]

idk just don't listen to haters. Also we don't really know the full extent of some of the changes, esp due to the lack of a BP calc atm.

[drowsy steppe]

youre the scape on the goat

[delicate shadow]

people who hate on the testing block have (understandably because of NDAs) no fucking clue

[spare talon]

which i dont disagree with but it got adjustments that it needed, fixing questionable design choices like "heavy diagonals and overheads have identical profiles" and "this light weapon has a non-light movement profile"

[drowsy steppe]

no damage calculators 😔

[ripe quest]

Or just be peak and don't announce you're a playtester 🔥

[frosty herald]

People making up lies about playtesting to get mad at

[delicate shadow]

this used to be mandatory in the VT2 days

[ripe quest]

I'm working on one but I gotta learn python and web development

[delicate shadow]

DT it's not the case...for whatever reason

[frosty herald]

Ive been using taxe vet for 1 game and its really fun

[drowsy steppe]

my personal headcanon on the playtesting session is whoever gives bad ideas gets the guillotine treatment

[sullen forge]

FT with target down

[drowsy steppe]

this is just my headcanon tho.

[sullen forge]

Let’s you use stamina more if it’s 7

[bitter anvil]

im going sleep

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/guillotine-bonk-revolution-gif-20305805

[delicate shadow]

the test server is actually just me and 50 alt accounts begging for a morrow dating sim

[twin wagon]

[visual stream]

and what was their answer

[spare talon]

i mean the playtester border is called this

[sullen forge]

I’m in there I actually saw it

[visual stream]

for a friend haha

[drowsy steppe]

Im really spoiled with online dnd calcs

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-26438788

[spare talon]

they gave me the head of the person whos place i took as a gift

[drowsy steppe]

its so easy and intuitive to use

[drowsy steppe]

FS out here

making people learn the ancient english words

[sullen forge]

Sitting on a throne of skulls

[frosty herald]

Have they found the arbites shop leaker yet

[drowsy steppe]

never in my life Ive heard bespoke before

[frosty herald]

I demand blood!!!

[visual stream]

say that again

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[full nebula]

Now that i think of it, hammers are generally good against armor in vermintide

[delicate shadow]

BOOAL WANTS BLOOD

[full nebula]

generally

ALL HAMMERS MUST BE BAD IN DARKTIDE

[drowsy steppe]

I could never

[ripe quest]

Between slashing and impact, impact would def be better. irl you get hit by a hammer your armor dents and that shit still hits you. DT has this with single target attacks, VT2 is pretty good about it.

[drowsy steppe]

Im too nice of a person to sacrifice the homies

[delicate shadow]

I mean...astarion is tempting

[frosty herald]

Thammer is bad for people that cant manage enemy attack queing and mixed horde managing

[delicate shadow]

I have shanked that mf before for getting bitey

[drowsy steppe]

like the person?

[frosty herald]

I dont think a ghost shared the page

[full nebula]

Like i said, slashing is fair enough that makes sense. That said they should be a LITTLE better, hopefully these shockmaul changes do something, obviously they're not going to clean house.

[twin wagon]

The arbites screenshot thief is fleeing to the North Pole as we speak

[full nebula]

impact that is

[drowsy steppe]

I like his jackass attitude

[delicate shadow]

I'm turning him into an illithid this playthrough, he's the only character I'm ok with bullying

[drowsy steppe]

he apprvoes when I commit mass murder and thats fine by me

[twin wagon]

I'll always be Halsin viased, bear stuff is whatever

Have you seen the size of that man

[delicate shadow]

I'd bully Wyll because he's a fucking dork but like...he gets bullied enough by the writing

bro got hung out to fuckin dry

[twin wagon]

And his quest rewards

[delicate shadow]

YEA

[drowsy steppe]

they just have to have the one black person in the party have the least development

Larian dropped the ball on him

[delicate shadow]

boinking mizora isn't even funny, the incubus is a better time

[delicate shadow]

the fact that they did patch 8 and gave him nothing is unreal

like I get it's a lot of work but c'mon maaaaan

[drowsy steppe]

my issue with Karlachs ending too

both are terribly unfinished relative to Astarion and Shadowheart

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1103324383348539443/caption-1-2.gif

[drowsy steppe]

I mean the latter has an entire act dedicated to her connection with her goddess

[delicate shadow]

a way better karlach (and Wyll) ending would've been if you could get them and dammon to tag along with Hope and turn the house into a sort of operating base/shelter

would've been a swell payoff

also the entire storyline with the emperor is fucking dumb, stupidest character imo

[delicate shadow]

yea laezel, shart and astarion get shitloads of development and questlines that are integral to the main story

the rest just kinda don't get that

[drowsy steppe]

wyll being rewrittten in late stage development

and Karlach being so late addition till this day. She still doesnt get a spot on the cover art

[delicate shadow]

well I suppose you could ignore astarion entirely and you'd still get all the main story but like the Gur stuff and Raphael all have a throughline to act 3

[full nebula]

lookin ass

[zinc talon]

hah

[twin wagon]

Hellgryn

[delicate shadow]

Wyll's also Technically got throughlines from act 1 to 3 via the duke but like...it's just so fucking boring and he doesn't even need to be there for it either

[frosty herald]

Middle dude is geeking off the fent

[delicate shadow]

feelsbadman

[full nebula]

guy on the right is robocop cosplay fighting his way to comiccon

[twin wagon]

I'm still pissed by the lack of dwarf companions outside of hirelings in bg3

Too mant kn*fe ears

[delicate shadow]

at least she's got a solid fanbase, I don't think Wyll's got that really which sucks because the VA is good the writing just gives him fuck all to work with

[drowsy steppe]

theres quite a wyll fanbase Ive seen

[delicate shadow]

Minthara came in hella late too but god damn if she ain't a fucking great character after the updates to her

[drowsy steppe]

granted they know how fucked he is and how much everyone else makes fun of them

[frosty herald]

I think its funny that the investigator arbites just gets a massive flat DR boost when walking slow

[twin wagon]

Wylls origin story is a bit better than his story as a side, but even then Gales is leagues ahead

And it's GALE

[drowsy steppe]

aaahhh

[obsidian prairie]

Isn’t it a speed boost and not reduction

[drowsy steppe]

psychopathic space SWAT

[delicate shadow]

my partner is a gortash fan

which I didn't get at first but he's lowkey grown on me that fuckin middle aged trash man

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/gale-gale-of-waterdeep-bg3-baldurs-gate3-gif-19573308

[twin wagon]

[drowsy steppe]

my friend was also a gortash fan

I kid you not she has a Gortash shrine she showed me before

and goddammit cuz of her too that I like Gortash

[twin wagon]

Where are my brothers Sazza fans? No one?

[drowsy steppe]

in the r34 page

Im not kidding xdd

[twin wagon]

[delicate shadow]

gah

[frosty herald]

Increased movement speed and DR but cant sprint

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah that’s walking fast

[twin wagon]

I didn't need to know that

I will now torture myself with heresy malestrom

[frosty herald]

So im wondering if castigators stance is mode based

[delicate shadow]

dude as soon as Larian's mod manager dropped first thing I fucking saw was "Busty Body Mod" like good god skyrim modding really fucked up a generation huh

[jagged cradle]

greasetash

[frosty herald]

The stellar blade game director supports it

[jagged cradle]

i hate how greasy his hair always looks

[delicate shadow]

stupid sexy gortash with his stupid fuckin' dollar store sasuke haircut

[frosty herald]

He says the game already has an 18+ tag and nude mods are impossible to supervise

[drowsy steppe]

stupid sexy gortash

😩

oh yea

[signal spoke]

Wheres Dark Urge romance spin off

[drowsy steppe]

this is the god Gortash worships btw

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/gortash-boop-gortboop-enver-gortash-gortash-nose-boop-gif-6808676062501692041

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/raphver-raphver-kiss-kiss-raphael-gortash-gif-10023504347524578975

[twin wagon]

He kooks the part

[jagged cradle]

whoops

[twin wagon]

Zealot chat has become Gortash chat

[void bison]

i never got past act 2 on my first playthrough

[drowsy steppe]

stupid sexy bane

[jagged cradle]

bane??

[drowsy steppe]

stupid sexy LoL splash art Bane 😩

[delicate shadow]

dude the fucking scene where Gort, Orin and Kethric are binding the netherbrain my first thought was "GO GO POWER RANGERS"

[drowsy steppe]

THE TESTAMENT TO MYRKUL

THE EDICT OF BANE

THE LASH OF BHAAL

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-gif-18003522

or like fucking ginyu force

https://tenor.com/view/ginyu-force-pose-dragon-ball-dbz-ginyu-gif-6403920345569041322

[final forge]

hm

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/gortash-baldur's-gate-baldur's-gate-3-gort-morning-enver-gortash-gif-12490059488363052536

[drowsy steppe]

100% a kuromi kinda guy

my favorite assassin

[ivory marlin]

Bl4 collector’s edition not including the game is actually crazy

[ripe quest]

Gortash chat sometimes takes breaks to be zealot chat.

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/bg3-baldur's-gate-3-gortash-enver-gortash-cat-licking-gif-10882252826115698554

[heady rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354998696206663761/1384792190743478302/vlc-record-2025-06-18-10h09m07s-HELLDIVERS_2_2025.06.18_-_08.29.23.02.DVR.mp4-.mp4?ex=6853b7ba&is=6852663a&hm=b688b976811ed4a146ae599f99e2218952989350d1c5c563663c4f1be1c5e6c5&

[twin wagon]

Only og remember when zealot chat was cat chat

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/we-love-gale-gortbye-gortash-karlach-baldur's-gate-3-gif-7093345209813232473

[clever swan]

just spawned into a mission and instantly fell through the map. they all ended up dying

[twin wagon]

I love how those missions ruin the penance but don't progress towards it

I'm glad I did it when we barely had players

[stone fern]

skyrim

my guy

its been like that since oblivion but people were ashamed back then

[delicate shadow]

yea ik oblivion had it going too but like oblivion characters look ridiculous even by elder scrolls standards

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-gif-18732240

like c'mon

[hearty nebula]

i mean

all of bethesda's 3d stuff in that era looked... off at best

[delicate shadow]

mhm

[hearty nebula]

fallout 3 & nv look pretty ass too on the human character models even for the time

[copper hawk]

Goontaah

[heady rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767862679393533972/1384796710748029009/hwTryCFXhcc.png?ex=6853bbf0&is=68526a70&hm=12469a8b336677f7eac29b54a39955c4fc342b2e5bd83e23d9262f50071647d6&

[sage swan]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-car-garn47-carrite-eating-gif-2900908410453290792

[frosty herald]

You not look like ghoul how come?

[hearty nebula]

ghouls UGLY

[delicate shadow]

my only fallout take is that the legion sucks

[stone fern]

welcome to the club fellow legion hater

[obsidian prairie]

That’d be a given if people weren’t stupid

[sage swan]

My fallout take is that the power armor system in 4 wasn't good

[delicate shadow]

shoving 1 thousand nukes up Caesar's salad

tbh fallout 4 just kinda...wasn't good

[stone fern]

if one more settler takes my power armor im nuking the whole commenwealth

[carmine falcon]

She be falling on my out till I new vegas

[stone fern]

ikno it was horrible zero replayability bad story

awful dialogue

bad quests

bad rpg mechanics

[carmine falcon]

Fallout 4 was a decent game to fuck around in and kill stuff but as an RPG it's easily the most limited one (very spicy take)

[hearty nebula]

agreed

but also i just like

[delicate shadow]

it was legit just skyrim but in post-apocalypse boston and somehow even worse despite being far more recent

solid sandbox but that's like, a given with bethesda

[hearty nebula]

unabashedly kind of hate bethesda fallout

[stone fern]

its ok if you forget F3 and FNV exist

[hearty nebula]

as a whole

[delicate shadow]

also boston itself being crashy as fuck

[hearty nebula]

i just tried out fallout 4 for the first time like a week ago

and i crashed the moment i entered the vault in the intro and im just like

"yep"

[carmine falcon]

I try not to compare new vegas to the rest cause that shit is so good not even obsidian are able to replicate it

[sage swan]

Like... I could have forgiven all of that if it just let me run around, take quests, and smash everything i find with a super sledge, but fallout 4 made me realize that I don't like games where the melee system is an afterthought, or quarter assed

[delicate shadow]

the pipe guns gave me an aneurysm ngl

[stone fern]

yeah just ignore their existance

[delicate shadow]

like there's a plethora of actual "pipe" guns irl to source from but nah let's make some cartoony ass bullshit that's ugly as sin and not in a good way

[drowsy steppe]

assault rifle

[somber drift]

Fallout 3 Remaster when?

[delicate shadow]

just port in a fuckin' sten gun or smth like c'mon man it's all free assets

[stone fern]

never

[obsidian prairie]

Worst bolt action animations I have seen in a game

[drowsy steppe]

left handed guns for your right handed player character

[obsidian prairie]

Made me want to explode

[delicate shadow]

LEGIT

[stone fern]

i dont want bethesda to make anymore money

[drowsy steppe]

the bolt action rifle fucks with me

[delicate shadow]

the lewis gun is so cool and they went and made it an AR like...

[obsidian prairie]

Worst part is I like playing snipers in guns RPG’s

[drowsy steppe]

like cycling the bolt is so fucking awkward on a left handed rifle but with right hand handling

[somber drift]

The only weapons I liked in Fallout 4 were the heavy and explosive weapons, so I just installed mods to give me more heavy and explosive weapons.
Everything else sucked.

[carmine falcon]

Your ass will be buying ES6 when it drops 10 years from now

[obsidian prairie]

So i was stuck with it

[delicate shadow]

the 10mm pistol is like the only thing I found even semi-bearable to look at and even then

[drowsy steppe]

the fact they have an actual AK in game

[sage swan]

Will Elder Scrolls 6 have a decent melee system? With their track record i really doubt it, but maybe the absolute flop of their space game made them realize they have to actually put effort in and not rely on the modding community to make the game for them

[stone fern]

bethesda still owes me 5 games after starfield

the only way ES6 will have good melee is if fatshark makes it

[hearty nebula]

glurp

[carmine falcon]

he bought star field
Oh no no no no

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/pronouns-starfield-yapping-rage-spitting-facts-gif-11981307528457578648

starfield mentioned

PRONOUNS

[delicate shadow]

nah I don't think they'll do anything but more repackaged skyrims for as long as Todd is at the helm

[copper hawk]

Fucking PRONOUNS

[stone fern]

dude it doesnt have quests

I FINISHED IT TWICE IN 120 HOURS

TWICE

[drowsy steppe]

why do you subject yourself to this

[carmine falcon]

I don't expect a single Bethesda game to have good combat lol just gimme an experience that captures the magic of playing their older games for the first time

[stone fern]

if you skip out on the 30 loading screens per quest by moving to the quest points you save 200 hours

[stone fern]

i paid for it and i wanted to get my moneys worth

[sage swan]

They need to bring back the miss chance

[somber drift]

Considering they want from Oblivion's cool magic system to whatever the fuck Skyrim's magic is (it improved in visuals and flare, but downgraded 7 million times in substance and systems), I fully expect ES6's melee system to be one singular animation for every weapon.

[delicate shadow]

dude if we could get a bethesda open world sandbox with good combat I'd cream my jorts but it'll literally never happen

[stone fern]

the game is 90% loading screens but if you type in the commands movetoqt you skip like 7 per quest progression stage

[carmine falcon]

Star field unironically looks ok but not what todd hyped up

[stone fern]

hell sometimes the game has loading screens for SHIT THATS IN THE SAME CELL

[carmine falcon]

Like 6/10 type game

[stone fern]

the loading screens arent needed by the engine sometimes

also its unmoddable due to engine shit they fucked up

[stone fern]

inshallah i will block u like i blocked bethesda on steam

never say that around me again

[carmine falcon]

Wallahi I'll fuss do rah yo ass

[copper hawk]

Star field unironically looks ok but not what todd hyped up

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-giant-lift-off-blast-off-low-earth-orbit-gif-13934296

[stone fern]

noob blocked

[carmine falcon]

Or whatever the cool kids say!

[copper hawk]

U cant say n**b

N**b is a slur

[stone fern]

2 blocked messages

[sage swan]

Starfield had this big thing where you land on a planet, behold the mystique of an alien landscape as you walk around a barren world until you find a little room to jump around in with your jetpack, jumping through hoops, then never do anything on that planet ever again.

And then copy pasted it with different colors a dozen dozen times

[delicate shadow]

Starfield unironically looks skibidi but not what todd rizzed up

[drowsy steppe]

granted it was mods that kept me playing but I somehow have 1K hours in this

[carmine falcon]

1 BILLION UNIQUE WORLDS

[stone fern]

ignored because i am not allowed to block mods

[somber drift]

Imagine using Archmage Robes instead of Restoration Looping an Apron with -183546743262438% Destruction Cost.

[drowsy steppe]

and once thought yea nothing can top Skyrim this shits peaked

[clever swan]

starfield looks glorping HOREOWBLE

[carmine falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-troll-face-rage-comic-gif-2095096620717959646

[frosty herald]

Archmage robes have the drip

[delicate shadow]

yeah it got a good 800 hours out of me with the civil war mods and such

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/hurt-you-a-lot-evcord-evacord-i-could-hit-you-and-hurt-you-a-lot-david-barrera-gif-9120924250189534105

[stone fern]

idk what to do with this one

btw chinese CMs accidentally leaked ds and plasma possible nerfs

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/d/e/de6a20ef5bf5d3f3bb4558527b6f55fe132250ff.jpeg

[clever swan]

NO WAY

[stone fern]

fatshark leaked it so its not my fault!!!

[carmine falcon]

Poor clad is experiencing the same things he experienced playing ToddField (mental torture)

[frosty herald]

Chinese peeps are malding that their crutch stick now requires a brain stem to use

[drowsy steppe]

tbf any comments from the fatshark forums is braindead

[delicate shadow]

it's actually wild how much more alive skyrim is when you dump like 200 mods into it so you have actually large cities, more npcs, more villages, dynamic events and better looking armour and weapons

also when you kill nazeem

[sage swan]

I saw those earlier, dueling sword parry with a unique psyker-only version of it sounds funny

[drowsy steppe]

expat living in china told me that discord is blocked

[stone fern]

i am free

[drowsy steppe]

so they have their own private communites I imagine

[stone fern]

i blocked bethesda unironically

the only gamebryo engine games i ever paid for were new vegas and starfield

[delicate shadow]

I avoided starfield entirely, I knew it was gonna be shit from the get go

[acoustic dune]

ey ey pooper

[drowsy steppe]

I have FO4 uninstalled and never will play

[acoustic dune]

whats pooping

[stone fern]

it has 2 good quests

[drowsy steppe]

aint it released in 2023

[carmine falcon]

I dropped Starfield like 10 hours in cause it ran like ass and was mid

[drowsy steppe]

str8 competing with bg3

[delicate shadow]

I put like 100 or so hours? into FO4 and most of it was just setllment building and all my mods were just to make that shit functional

[carmine falcon]

I heard it's gotten better but ehhhhh

[stone fern]

noooooo

they added a car!!!!!

[drowsy steppe]

ones a terrible bethesda launch

[sage swan]

Skyrim was fun the first time, but it's so so funny that their big secondary quest that makes you choose between the two sides was so fucking nothing lmao

[carmine falcon]

[delicate shadow]

yep

[drowsy steppe]

the other was lauded as the goat type of game

[delicate shadow]

imperials, every time tbh

[carmine falcon]

I like how it has the least transformative mods out of any Bethesda game lmao

[somber drift]

Imperials are the best hope for Skyrim, and for a free Tamriel.

[sage swan]

i never actually completed that quest a single time, I just didn't care

[ripe quest]

Wait these are pretty sizeable nerfs. Actually pretty cool.

[obsidian prairie]

Would you rather side with:
The Lesser Feds
Or
Actual Racists

[delicate shadow]

I mean my reasoning is just Ulfric fucking sucks, I don't care for the empire at all because

HAMMERFELL GANG RAAAAAAA

curved swords>>>>>

[somber drift]

I kinda wanna talk about it, but since this is still technically a leak, I'm really not sure how much I can talk about it considering my NDA.

[sage swan]

I got to the point in the main story where you have them come talk together at the mountain and I just couldn't make myself give a shit

[somber drift]

[stone fern]

theyre both wrong and cringe

skyrim belongs to the dragonborn

[drowsy steppe]

the civil war comes down to
actual racists fighting against religious discrimination vs religious discrimination fighting actual racists

[carmine falcon]

no longer goes through bulwark shield
Absolute cringe

[stone fern]

if ulfric challenged the other guy and that was his claim why cant i challenge ulfric?

[delicate shadow]

bethesda writing moment

[stone fern]

i think we should remove bulwarks from the game

[carmine falcon]

Bulwarks don't fit the game above heresy diff

[sage swan]

I think a thunder hammer should be able to shatter a bulwark shield into tiny pieces

[delicate shadow]

also like, Ulfric is a dogshit jarl, windhelm is a shitshow even if you don't factor in the grey quarter

[somber drift]

Tbf, the Empire wants Talos Worship to be supported and legal, but they're having to build themselves up to oppose the Thalmor.

They kinda don't have a choice atm.

[ripe quest]

I'm glad I called the parry. Of course, unless that's a translation error. Makes for a cool weapon.

[stone fern]

you know whats fucking stupid? empowered heavy attacks dont open up bulwark shields but empowered light attacks do

[fair juniper]

We shittin' on the Stormcloaks today? Good.

[delicate shadow]

Hammerfell stays winning 🔥

[stone fern]

:3

[somber drift]

Ulfric's ancestors inviting refugees to their city and looking after them.
Ulfric is made Jarl.
Immediate racism.
Not based.

[stone fern]

@somber drift hi avery pls convince fatshark to buff my baby ironhelm thammer thanks ❤️

[drowsy steppe]

Ulfrics view of other races is

as long as theyre one of the good ones

[somber drift]

REAL

[somber drift]

GOD, I HATE THAT

[undone pewter]

Never ask a nord about their Khajiit wife

[delicate shadow]

my lived experience distilled

[somber drift]

Lowkey recoiled at this since I've been told "I'm sure you're one of the good ones" in terms to me being transgender.
I know it's not race related on my end, but still, like... ugh, horrible, awful.

[spare talon]

skyrim has fallen

[undone pewter]

I mean it doesn't have to be race related I've seen it from being used to describe black people to trans people to being a woman

[undone pewter]

How have I never seen this one lmfao

[somber drift]

Also, I love how the Nords are adamant that Skyrim belongs to them, when really it belongs to the Dwemer and Falmer.

[carmine falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060551810877767740/1384775150339100713/nothing-ever-happens-v0-8radv2kimi7e1.webp?ex=6853a7db&is=6852565b&hm=e0f6d56c9fc12e8c595a2c76c4123b96f800f267afb4cb064c2b62c439100dff&

[drowsy steppe]

mmm yea I always hate hearing that in any form. Someone saying this isnt them admitting their views is wrong, they just see an exception to their own prejudice

[stone fern]

hes in the ICU rn

please be more respectful!!!!

[carmine falcon]

Nothing ever happens

[stone fern]

sir it JUST did

[delicate shadow]

been hit with it multiple times, race related

[somber drift]

It's so gross to hear, yeah.

[delicate shadow]

also got hit with the "you're not one of them moslems are ya?" from a friend's dad when I was a kid lmao

[stone fern]

being Hungarian must be so hard 💔

[carmine falcon]

Same except irl

[delicate shadow]

the casual racism you deal with when you're a minority, even a mixed one is wild

yea I meant irl

[fair juniper]

Yeah

Moving to the American Southeast as a mixed kid was... eye opening, to say the least.

[spare talon]

thankfully i dont deal with casual racism

im too cool for that

[fair juniper]

Which is, coincidentally, a lot of the jokes made about my race.

[spare talon]

i engage in competitive racism

[stone fern]

you dont leave the house

[somber drift]

I've been hit with "You're one of those people that mutilate children, right?" from a complete stranger a couple weeks ago.

[delicate shadow]

yeah I grew up in Queensland which is like, Australia's Florida

[fair juniper]

Oh my condolences

[spare talon]

im top 500 in my state on the racism rankings

[somber drift]

kill cole

[copper hawk]

KWEEENSLAAANDAAAAAH

[carmine falcon]

Fellow racist

[full nebula]

i wanna speak to the ceo of racism

[obsidian prairie]

That’s actually impressive considering where you live

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/queensland-soo-state-of-origin-gif-21889436

[carmine falcon]

Hello that's me

[thick fossil]

does thunderhammer still have hitreg issues? I headshot the bosses and sometimes do no damage

[somber drift]

Racism is never excusable.
Unless it's towards the Nords.
SKYRIM IS FOR THE DWEMER AND FALMER! RAAHH!

[copper hawk]

Skyrim is for the orsimer actually

[fair juniper]

Just don't ask the Dwemer how they felt about the Falmer

[copper hawk]

Fuck all of u

[placid wagon]

as I got older, my skin got more tan and my hair turned from blonde to black and started curling. Someone jsut the other day kept asking where I was from, and I kept saying the country we're in. and then he kept going on and on about my roots.

I've barely ever left the country, and have never been to my "roots".

[full nebula]

could ping/lag/server problem too

[copper hawk]

Nords never expect the mage orc twink 2 be the shoutyborn

[fair juniper]

"Where are you from? No, where are you really from? No, where are your parents from? No, their parents?"

A classic line of questioning

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

[stone fern]

which thammer?

[copper hawk]

I love that british skit

[thick fossil]

mk2

[fair juniper]

... It's a british skit?

[jagged cradle]

that’s pretty impressive considering where you’re at

[full nebula]

now we're getting somewhere

[fair juniper]

That was legit just my childhood

[copper hawk]

No, I prefer British food. Like pizza and chinese

[stone fern]

is that ironhelm or crucis?

[delicate shadow]

Skyrim, more like, northern aldmeri dominion

this post brought to you by the thalmor GANG

[carmine falcon]

At that point just tell them to unalive

[thick fossil]

crucis

[carmine falcon]

I have very low tolerance to smart asses

[stone fern]

nah its great

[delicate shadow]

love the "where are you really from" type shit

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-burning-dog-satire-dog-silly-dog-funny-dog-gif-5761687346364672588

[stone fern]

ironhelm has some issues with randomly hooking bulwark carapace shoulder piece tho

[thick fossil]

did u try it in havoc 40

[fair juniper]

I just tell them to just drop the fukken pretense and ask me what my ethnicity is

Like just

Stop beating around the bush

You're not succeeding in being polite or whatever the fuck

[thick fossil]

I think the game or server shits itself with so many enemies at havoc40

[stone fern]

no i dont play anything abvove auric mael

[jagged cradle]

give ironhelm 3 dodges and it’ll be peak

[copper hawk]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8St7AI37F7Q?si=OOVLYCprUJhrFgZi

[carmine falcon]

Engine ain't built for that shieieiet

[somber drift]

How do you guys feel about my new Dragon Shout for Skyim?

||Hawk Tu Ah||

Basically, anyone who you use it on is compelled to jump off of the nearest lethal drop.

[full nebula]

give it infinite cleave and ignore hitmass

[stone fern]

ironhelm has better dodges than relic it needs STAMINA

[delicate shadow]

give ironhelm massive buffs but restrict access so clad can't get it and it'll be so peak

[jagged cradle]

true

[jagged cradle]

erm do t care

[carmine falcon]

WHY WOULD YOU WRITE THIS

[acoustic dune]

when is the sm2 siege mode coming about again?

[fair juniper]

Buff all T-Hammer horde damage by 200% and give it to Vet

I promise it'll be chill

[somber drift]

26th iirc
From what I hear though, it lacks substance and is overall very shallow.

[delicate shadow]

actually, turn ironhelm into the new overpowered meta so everyone starts hating on it really hard

[somber drift]

real

[stone fern]

NOOOOO NOT MY OBSCURE WEAPON

[obsidian prairie]

Give it 17 dodges but each of them has a specifically set and highly volatile distance and speed so you go from 1 meter at like 1000% speed to 9 meters at 20% speed

[stone fern]

i hope your favorite bar becomes crowded

[carmine falcon]

Add the physics from the super impact mod to base game thammer

[acoustic dune]

heard the h sword is getting some love

is this true?

[carmine falcon]

I want oompa loompa ragdolls

[delicate shadow]

my favourite bar is a fuckin baller irish pub

[stone fern]

i hope it gets filled with loud british tourists 😠

[delicate shadow]

GAH

[ripe quest]

Make it inflict fire through reworked Blazing Piety and then give it Savage Sweep and or Perfect Strike.

[placid wagon]

they are buffing my catachan sword, al lis right in the world. Love parrying ragers, monsters, and overheads

[fair juniper]

that's a horrible curse to put on someone

Too far

[carmine falcon]

Nah it's fun af
Anyone who says it's shallow is simply not into the game lmao

[stone fern]

he started it by talking about MY WIFE

[fair juniper]

Y'know.

Sure.

[stone fern]

(its also a hammer)

[delicate shadow]

we don't judge here

[fair juniper]

Vulkan's funniest moment

[somber drift]

I very much enjoy Space Marine 2.
I enjoy it's core gameplay.
But Siege Mode just... doesn't feel like it adds much.
Plus, you can't pick the faction you fight against, so weapons good against one faction but bad against the other are just worse in Siege Mode by nature of RNG deciding on whether or not you have a good weapon.

[drowsy steppe]

the racial profiling...

[clever swan]

sm2 sucks

[carmine falcon]

From what I played on pts the encounters are way more fun and varied compared to ops tbh
The issue with not being able to choose your faction is only an issue cause chaos kinda sucks lol

Needs a big rework

[fair juniper]

I feel like Chaos sucking and needing a rework is the lore accurate, constant state of Chaos

[full nebula]

sm2 is fine mostly, not really blow you away. Relying on parry for basically everything isn't good

[carmine falcon]

Parry ain't even le meta

Old news

[full nebula]

i only play melee

[delicate shadow]

I do not have a good time in airports maaaan

[full nebula]

dont care about gun builds

[carmine falcon]

Then you go block weapons if u actually wanna deal dmg

[full nebula]

i havent played it in months but fencing weapons were the op shit at the time

[carmine falcon]

Yeah block is the dmg king now

Fencing is for safety

And gun strike builds

[full nebula]

idk

all i know is that the combat isnt even close to darktide

[carmine falcon]

Doesn't need to be

[full nebula]

i love having a near nonfunctioning finger

nah but it does need to be better

i got about 40 hours out of it then that was about all there was

[carmine falcon]

Well it is much better now than it was months ago but it won't ever be dark tide tier autism

It's just not that type of game

[full nebula]

i just mean the combat mechanics and whatnot in general

way inferior

[carmine falcon]

It's fun in it's own way

[full nebula]

like i said its a serviceable game, but after doing operations a few dozen times, idk how anyone puts hundreds of hours into it

[carmine falcon]

Cause it's constantly getting updated and getting better

That simple really lol

All the classes are juiced tf up compared to few months ago now

[fair juniper]

Different strokes for different folks

Sometimes you don't want a complex game that makes you try hard or whatever

Sometimes you just wanna vibe

As a real big dude

fighting bugs

[carmine falcon]

Anyway we killed the convo....

Nothing ever happens

[undone pewter]

I think my issue with space marine 2 was the skill ceiling was more like a skill basement

[carmine falcon]

Ok go fight 3 hellbrutes and beat them

[full nebula]

you just panic roll like its darksouls and wait for a parry

[carmine falcon]

That's how you get clipped and die then complain about the game having stunlocks

[full nebula]

probably, ive played a lot of souls games though so i never had a problem dodging in sm2

[carmine falcon]

I swear everytime I see a clip of someone complaining about dying to ", bullshit" it's because they're panic dodging lmao

[full nebula]

or too early

[sage swan]

Still haven't convinced any friends to get the game, I wanna do the coop campaign

[carmine falcon]

Panic dodging just gets u fked on absolute diff where 3 extremists can spawn at once and fill your screen with attacks

[full nebula]

its fine for that, just don't expect people to play the extra modes and max out like you prob would

[hearty nebula]

was the horde mode thing in sm2 mid or

how did that turn out

[carmine falcon]

It's still in pts

Not out yet

[hearty nebula]

fuck

that's legit the only reason why i'd wanna buy it

[carmine falcon]

Should be out soon tho

[hearty nebula]

braindead gameplay mulching

[carmine falcon]

Like in q week or something

[hearty nebula]

well ill give it like

two weeks to see if it's ass or not

i'll buy sm2 then if it doesnt blow

[carmine falcon]

Unless they radically change everything from pts it's gonna slap

I'm worried they'll tone down enemy density

Cause game is taxing af lmao

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/xbox-xbox-series-x-smoking-fire-fail-gif-19373998

console players

[carmine falcon]

This but unironically

Consoles can barely run ops

[sage swan]

I've heard the story is great, so that's what I'm interested in. It's been so long since I've played a good coop campaign so I'm willing to wait for it

[carmine falcon]

Horde mode has waaaayyyyyyyy more things happening

At this point just make a mode specifically for consoles

So PC players don't get shafted

[fair juniper]

Ah yes

Crowd mode, the console version

[hearty nebula]

i prob wont be running it silky smooth myself lol

idk ill fuck around with settings if i get it

[carmine falcon]

Game is just heavy af but yeah

[obtuse wind]

The timer is a massive negative for me

But they found a solution they said 🗿.

[carmine falcon]

Yeah timer sucks

Oh no you're too powerful?!! Here's a timer because???

[obtuse wind]

Memory fragmentation or some bs

[carmine falcon]

Just end the mode at a fixed number then lmao

[obtuse wind]

Love Sm2, just some decision making from Saber is so eh at times

[carmine falcon]

I'm still mad they haven't fixed hammer's bad contested health regen

[obtuse wind]

I have no idea if they fixed the bug where you still lose contested health during a finisher.

[carmine falcon]

That's a thing? Lmao

The bugs in this game are peak spaghetti code

[acoustic dune]

remind me of the kfc console

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-intel-too-hot-gif-14315286

[obsidian prairie]

Pentium CPU’s my beloved

[acoustic dune]

taco stan cooking

[grizzled aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-necro-skull-trooper-colt-general-low-tier-god-skull-trooper-gif-26079010

[full nebula]

[runic grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627034802574589958/1384831966276227122/ets1_1.mp4?ex=6853dcc5&is=68528b45&hm=6fd2570e23b4bb709611b0afd5bf471ad3c13af4c3b9c6f9d2e0dbabe6fe504d&

[shell dagger]

Can someone hit me with the top two ranged and top two melees for zealot?

[placid fiber]

relic blade, dueling sword

[shell dagger]

I know dueling sword

[placid fiber]

as for ranged I'm not 100% sure what are considered the top 2

it depends what you want it to cover

flamer is one of them, actually

due to infinite cleave in the area it effects

It's usually paired with something with sub-par horde clear

[shell dagger]

Maybe spearhead bolt gun for the second

[placid fiber]

That's what i kind of was thinking, it's good for softening monsters or crusher gangs

for more mobile options you have the laspistol, revolver, autopistol, or bolt pistol

[shell dagger]

Good to know

I’m trying to come up with a top two ranged and melee for each class so I can focus them first

[placid fiber]

Most melee weapons will probably feel underwhelming after the relic blade and the dueling sword on zealot

[shell dagger]

Yeah I figured

I’m gonna go ask Ogryn now

[placid fiber]

o7

[clever swan]

crusher is pog

[placid fiber]

Crusher is great, but, they specifically wanted the top to 2 melee weapons. The only reason I noted the mobile ranged was because the flamer and boltgun are not mobile at all

[copper hawk]

No ranged builds

[placid fiber]

They probably weren't making a ranged build with it, cica

[copper hawk]

Ohg

[shell dagger]

Yeah definitely not a ranged build lmao

Just a pairing

[copper hawk]

Kars and kuork iv i think for ogryn as melees

[clever swan]

yes though I was saying it more in opposition to the idea relic or ds will spoil other weapon. maybe ds does cuz its op tho

[copper hawk]

All of the ogryn melees are good barring the paul

And one or two marks

Kuork vi? Is that the bad kuork mk

Rumbler i know is probs the top ogryn ranged wpn

Shuts the game off

[placid fiber]

the paul is useable now

[pallid hemlock]

useable but not good though

[placid fiber]

It's way better than it used to be at least

[pallid hemlock]

true, though it used to be in the dumpster so it does need more love

having a look at reddit and steam losing it about the upcoming DS and Plasma nerfs

[placid fiber]

the special at least actually does damage now

[placid fiber]

About fucking time

[pallid hemlock]

apparently the proposed changes came out on the Chinese notes but not the English

[placid fiber]

I never went to the bottom of the patch notes so I didn't see that >.>

[pallid hemlock]

shit mb misclick

[placid fiber]

Clad with the low tier bait lol

[undone pewter]

They may just be draft changes tbf

It'd trust what the English ones say first

[placid fiber]

It says nothing

[pallid hemlock]

I feel like it's too big brained to leak something to test community sentiment

[frosty herald]

because they actualy have to engage with the game now

[grizzled aspen]

Darktide is definitely going to get review bombed by shitlords that can't function without ds plasma.

[placid fiber]

Yep

[frosty herald]

and we will ignore them

[undone pewter]

But I like that the game is mostly positive

[pallid hemlock]

happened with OG power sword

[copper hawk]

Ppl will review bomb

[grizzled aspen]

Power sword is also due for a rework.

[copper hawk]

Like w the psword

[grizzled aspen]

Again.

(fatshark just give it the fucking heat system it can't be that hard)

[placid fiber]

"How dare they nerf the one thing that let me turn the game off!" or smthing like that

[grizzled aspen]

They can take the base heat system from relic blade, make it heat up and cool faster (because smaller sword), and make blessings like power cycler just be changed to relevant relic blade blessings.

[pallid hemlock]

I remember arguing with someone going "boohoo the Obscurus force sword has infinite dodges why don't they nerf that"

because it's the Obscurus

[placid fiber]

which they did nerf >.>

[pallid hemlock]

eventually

[placid fiber]

after we got good force swords

[pallid hemlock]

yep, and even now it's still the weird one that's not as good

[grizzled aspen]

That's just not true.

[clever swan]

i miss infinite dodges

[grizzled aspen]

I would argue that illisi is the worst of the three now.

[clever swan]

i feel like infinite dodges being reduced to whatever number is technically like the biggest nerf ever

[stone fern]

I wouldnt

i would agree

[grizzled aspen]

Obscurus can one combo a crusher with h1 l2 l3 and it has a hidden light after h2 that swings in the opposite direction for crowd control.

I would actually argue obscurus is the best of the 3 now.

[pallid hemlock]

Really? Even next to Deimos?

[grizzled aspen]

Deimos is kind of a meme because hurr durr push over crusher with h2 but that's bound to get nerfed eventually.

Plus, it slows your ttk on ogryns.

[pallid hemlock]

gotta revisit it sometime, got sick of using it from before the rework

[grizzled aspen]

It's safer, sure, but I'd prefer killing the fat bastard outright instead of just pushing him over.

[pallid hemlock]

it was the only force sword for so long that I don't even want to look at it now

[stone fern]

no

deimos buffs

make H2 looping

[grizzled aspen]

Clad, you should like, explode.

[stone fern]

and for illisi legit just give it 10% attack speed

[grizzled aspen]

You want a lot of weapons that don't need buffs to get buffs.

[grizzled aspen]

Illisi needs a fucking single target attack lmao.

[stone fern]

no

[pallid hemlock]

H2 shoots out a force greatsword special

[grizzled aspen]

There are zero strikedowns in its moveset.

[stone fern]

its fine

make it zero IQ

[grizzled aspen]

It's not.

You literally play only ogryn, you don't need more weapons to pander to you.

🚬

[runic grotto]

Thanks mutie

https://i.vgy.me/IPiDFC.jpg

[pallid hemlock]

gate it behind the push attack

[grizzled aspen]

No, that sucks.

[stone fern]

hey!!!!

i used to play other things

[pallid hemlock]

that's basically been the FS MO with weapons that have a focus so far

[grizzled aspen]

Give it an h3 that is strikedown that loops into a strikedown light only accessible from that h3.

[placid fiber]

Personally I found ogryn more interesting before it got buffed through the roof

[grizzled aspen]

Also, make it further unique from its brothers, make charging it remember where you are in the combo like how relic blade does.

[runic grotto]

Ogryn was easily the most boring class before the rework

[placid fiber]

And it still is boring after it

[runic grotto]

Barely 2 good builds for the whole class

[grizzled aspen]

That way you can do funny stuff and actually have a good empowered heavy.

[pallid hemlock]

confident strike ogryn is easily the most brain afk Darktide has been in a while

[runic grotto]

It's more interesting now, at least I don't die inside while playing ogryn now

[grizzled aspen]

If you want to go even further than that, remove the current specials from all 3 force swords and make them instead be like power swords that build peril.

But also like, not paperweights without that function.

[placid fiber]

Yeah... i can spam lights and win now... so interesting >.>

[grizzled aspen]

Gotta specify that.

[pallid hemlock]

the tabletop force weapon fantasy doesn't transfer well to darktide

[runic grotto]

Now you can spam lights

Before you could only spam heavies

[pallid hemlock]

can't exactly rely on popping enemies like pimples mid swing, and the Deimos/Obscurus specials have always been ehhh

[runic grotto]

Light spam was not even an option before

[placid fiber]

That's the only thing that is more interesting, only now you are 5x more op for doing it

[runic grotto]

Not saying ogryn is not overbuffed

[placid fiber]

You can tank a daemonhost with light spam...

[runic grotto]

But he's certainly not as boring as he was

[pallid hemlock]

rein in rumbler and confident strike and that's most of the work done

[runic grotto]

You don't need to tank them

You just perma stun them with a club

[grizzled aspen]

And the braced toughness regen.

[runic grotto]

They don't even attack

[grizzled aspen]

You're basically immortal if you're bracing outside of havoc.

[pallid hemlock]

ogryn flexing against heretics

just clenching so hard that nothing gets through

[placid fiber]

And you don't even have to play that well to be immortal either

[runic grotto]

Just wait for that zealot rework

Where he becomes even stronger than ogryn

Bet non of you will complain

[placid fiber]

I will complain about how boring it is >.>

You barely need 2 brain cells to play oggy at its current state outside of havoc

[grizzled aspen]

We will still likely complain because zealouts being shitlords enrages all of the regulars.

[runic grotto]

Just played an auric with lower level players

They called me mvp

Meanwhile I was just spamming rumbler the entire mission and killing everything

That's also funny

[hushed knoll]

Hi Frogcast

[acoustic dune]

is the rework here yet

[placid fiber]

Check back in 20 years

[placid fiber]

Hi rawest of bacon eaters

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-sizzling-breakfast-gif-14351121

Stan's perfect bacon >.>

[twin wagon]

bad hours to post food pal

[placid fiber]

Just showcasing stan's perfect bacon... tho it might be a little too cooked for stan tbh

[twin wagon]

My rashons now

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-zelot-zealot-darktide-zealot-barrel-explode-gif-17452945956086432905

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194381907278962722/1319677497935396965/caption.gif

[stone fern]

aaaaa

[placid fiber]

he had to go, his people needed him

[carmine falcon]

the chinese are really angry

[stone fern]

holy shit wheelchair cadian made it to china

[misty nova]

"Frequent Flashbacks make people sick"

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[carmine falcon]

review bombing over leaks is crazy

ig this is why they havent nerfed a single thing since i started playing

[stone fern]

smh

[placid fiber]

Them nerfing the most deserving weapons(mainly the ds): nerd raging

[stone fern]

im starting to think i need to rent a chinese botfarm to get iornhelm buffed

tbh its kinda fatsharks fault for giving ds4 to everyone

we all saw this coming

[placid fiber]

Yep

[stone fern]

we bitched about the rending on flamer/purge and they changed it to brittlness

we should have bitched more

[trim nacelle]

Weird to see that the Thunder Hammer wasn't buffed, any time I look for up to date weapon stats, people place it at the bottom tier.

[north sedge]

It's not

[placid fiber]

That's because it is already good

[stone fern]

its not bad

crucis is good

bit ironhelm is a bit weaker

[north sedge]

And it did get buffed a while back

[placid fiber]

^

[stone fern]

that was more of a rework

[misty nova]

Specialized weapon moment

Except

Other weapons exist

That can beat on strong targets

Safely and for free

Also calling it
DS changes aren't going to do shit

[carmine falcon]

CLEARLY THE SDOLUTION IS BUFFING THE HAMMER TO THE STANDARD OF THOSE WEAPONS

OR I REVIEW BOMB

[placid fiber]

People just don't want to use skill

[misty nova]

Maybe and just maybe
The nerf to Uncanny on DS

[placid fiber]

they want their 1 iq weapon to do it all for them

[misty nova]

Mainly affects Inferno staff and grenadier

But inferno has Deimos/Obscurus

[stone fern]

@placid fiberhttps://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/optimized/3X/6/4/64678c9ef3d990f80a14847ebf98e4704bdc0440_2_339x750.jpeg

forum builds.........

😭

[misty nova]

That are better anyways

[serene geyser]

is the axe still good and is it antax or rashad these days

[north sedge]

Rashad

[trim nacelle]

Tbf, skill can't do much if your melee can't manage a crowd. I have better chance with the knife, because the same skills that allow you to use the knife are hindered with other weapons that require said skills.

[placid fiber]

If you can't manage a crowd with a thammer, that's you calling yourself out

[carmine falcon]

hammer is slow against crowds sure but guess what

take a bruto

or a DB

or a flamer

and boom

fun alternative playstyle

[placid fiber]

And guess what it still staggers the horde in your face with heavies

[stone fern]

you can still clear with hammer very well

unless you're in havoc

[trim nacelle]

Then go ahead and do a havoc mission, thunder hammer only without going down.

[stone fern]

🙄

how is hammer being able to clear relevant to clearing a mission with only a melee

[carmine falcon]

havoc is a bullshit mode designed to stress test

'meta

[placid fiber]

Go and try havoc 40 with ds4 only and don't get downed then, solo

[stone fern]

you can say that about anything

[carmine falcon]

and should not be used in actual balance discussions

just take a flamer with the hammer

[placid fiber]

Havoc is not meant for the base balance of weapons

[carmine falcon]

if you're a zealot you're forced to take a flamer anyway

by randoms

[placid fiber]

without stealth or breaking spawns btw

You present an unreasonable challenge, I will too

At least mine doesn't make you detrimental to teammates

[misty nova]

Done

What's next?

[trim nacelle]

Video?

[pale spindle]

Do a havoc 40 with grey weapons, no talents, and on controller 😈

If not you are not allowed to speak on the server

[placid fiber]

It's funny how people use havoc for whether a weapon is balanced or not

[trim nacelle]

So you admit that the Thunder Hammer underperforms

[placid fiber]

On havoc? Don't look at me I don't play it.

On base game? Most certainly not

[trim nacelle]

Than don't speak on anything regarding havoc

[placid fiber]

You never once brought up havoc while complaining about the thammer the other day

As if we should automatically know you mean havoc

[pale spindle]

On Havoc THammer is very good at deleting captains

So I don't see how it "underperforms"

[trim nacelle]

We're having a conversation today, we're talking about havoc now.

[hushed knoll]

Don’t be mean

Darkpillthony can talk about what he wants

[placid fiber]

Then talk to orcka, apparently he knows what he's talking about

[hushed knoll]

[pale spindle]

Havoc this Havoc that

Where are my Mortis maxers at? 👏🏻

[placid fiber]

Not everyone runs the most broken loadout every time every difficulty

[polar nexus]

Mortis Gang represent!

[trim nacelle]

It is good at specials and elites, but a majority of the time the hordes are the real threat.

[placid fiber]

And guess what: they don't complain about being punished for what they run

[pale spindle]

IG Boltgun is giga broken because of Mortis

[frosty herald]

exe stance mortis

[pale spindle]

So is DS

The difference is that DS has better mobility to kite hordes

[trim nacelle]

Yes

[misty nova]

You assume I have storage for video

I should really buy another hard drive

[pale spindle]

But DS doesn't one shot bosses like Hammer, that's the trade off

Unless you do the forbidden precog thrust strat

[trim nacelle]

One issue is that the game favors generalist weapons, and the TH is a specialist weapon. If the special activation slam had an AoE that could solve the issue immediately.

[placid fiber]

You do know about the ironhelm, right? It trades 1 shot pontential for horde clear

[trim nacelle]

Yes I've used it

[placid fiber]

and it has a somewhat cleaving light 1

idk how it measures to havoc hordes, but, that's an entire other issue

[pale spindle]

DS I wouldn't really consider a "generalist" weapon if that is how you define it

The reason why DS is broken isn't that it kills elites well, it's that it kills elites well without any investment from the talent trees.

Oh and agile

[trim nacelle]

But horde clear weapons are also faster, so as a solution, one could either buff speed, or cleave.

[placid fiber]

Also ds isn't a generalist weapon in havoc... generalist implies it can horde clear adequately

instead of 1 poke at a time

[trim nacelle]

DS II

[placid fiber]

pretty sure it has the same cleave on the light attacks as the mk4

unless you mean the heavy 2

[pale spindle]

They are literally doing this for like 6 weapons

[trim nacelle]

I'm sure it does, but the attack pattern is different.

[trim nacelle]

Yes, and that is good. But that also means that the TH may be left behind.

[placid fiber]

for havoc? Sure, but, that's only 1 game mode

If you define weapon balance by havoc you're an idiot

[pale spindle]

No I think TH will have value, esp since the Havocs recently have a lot of shield bosses

[runic grotto]

I fucking the majority of this community, imagine whining and crying because you saw a wip nerfs for insanely overpowered weapons

[trim nacelle]

Havoc rewards you with a lot of materials every week. I got about 2k diamantine two weeks ago.

[placid fiber]

Cool, and why should every weapon be soley balanced around havoc?

You do realize in the base game they would massively overperform then right?

[trim nacelle]

It allows variation and breaks up the meta

[placid fiber]

like the ds already does

[trim nacelle]

Because it would dethrone DS

[placid fiber]

It's up to you whether you want to only use meta or not, people here already have broken off of the meta in havoc

[trim nacelle]

With what weapons?

[pale spindle]

TH's problem isn't the weapon itself

It's that the gunners lean you heavily into using Chorus and crit CDR

[placid fiber]

Taxe, mk3 evsicerator are 2 examples

[copper hawk]

Just did ht wt

162 lbs..

<10% bmi ,,

But somehow shrunk an inch

[carmine falcon]

you just did what

[copper hawk]

Go army

[pale spindle]

Even if there were no buffs and only nerfs

We still have Relic Blade 💀

[placid fiber]

people already use the thammer in havoc as well, and that isn't a new thing

[copper hawk]

Height and weight

[pale spindle]

And knife

[carmine falcon]

162lb wot da hylll

bro is woman sized

[placid fiber]

And the heavy sword

[trim nacelle]

Not saying that thunder hammer is the sole problem, I'm saying it compounds.

[placid fiber]

There will always be weapons that will massively underperform in havoc, but, the thammer isn't as troubled by this as much as the combat axe or revolver are

[pale spindle]

What does that even mean? 💀

[carmine falcon]

it mean he's smol

[placid fiber]

It becomes more single target, but, that happens to weapons with lower cleave values

[carmine falcon]

dont get freaky gang ong frfrfrfr

[trim nacelle]

The point is I don't think any weapons should underperform, any weapon should be viable at the highest difficulty.

[pale spindle]

I know he's small, but what does that have to do with women?

You never seen a muscle mommy before? 😤

[carmine falcon]

you're putting more thought into this than i did

[pale spindle]

Also isn't the average height of men in the world is 5'6? 🤔

Short gang rise up ..

Oh wait 😔

[trim nacelle]

Due to outliers but yes that sounds right.

[placid fiber]

There will always be a better weapon that other weapons will underperform when compared to. I see you talk about the thammer, but, you say nothing about all of the ranged options underperforming in havoc especially when compared to the flamer

[pale spindle]

Wait the average height for men in America is 5'9 🤔

But the average weight is 200 lbs 💀💀💀💀

[trim nacelle]

Ranged weapons aren't the focus in most situations, it would be nice if they were. A lot of people use the flamer because of the close-range combat.

[pale spindle]

Merican Food culture 😈

[placid fiber]

but I thought you wanted "any weapon" to be viable

[trim nacelle]

Those weapons are viable when they're needed. A revolver can put down any sniper. A flamer any horde.

Specialist weapons

[mild sparrow]

The taller you are, the heavier you get

It's definitely not the cheeseburgers

Definitely not

[hushed knoll]

America has great food

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/slop-egobuns-elobum-gif-8995693457887331815

[hushed knoll]

What is this

[placid fiber]

God only knows, cause I sure as hell don't

[hushed knoll]

It must be chili

[pale spindle]

America has great food, as long as it isn't the Americans making it

[hushed knoll]

Orcka are you American

[placid fiber]

Gottem

[pale spindle]

No I'm from the Caribbean

I've lived in the US for 20 years tho

[placid fiber]

close enough

[obtuse garnet]

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-sizzling-breakfast-gif-14351121

What do you think, Stan?

[pale spindle]

I'm also on a strict diet ATM

My family has a lot of problems relating to heart conditions, so I need to eat much cleaner

[placid fiber]

Mine does too, I should eat healthier than I do tbh...

[pale spindle]

It's actually not as hard as I thought it was

[placid fiber]

but my guilty pleasure of cheez its

[hollow meteor]

Brother

[runic grotto]

https://i.vgy.me/O6dA2V.jpg
https://i.vgy.me/kk5oCi.jpg

What do I do with the last point?

[pale spindle]

You can switch to whole grain

But tbh the big problem is the sodium 💀

[pale spindle]

Drop ECC call and get TWBS

Or if u don't care about range CC get the other CDR node

Actually wait just use this:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ca461da-16ee-4c89-b61c-1e54ec2fd5e2/book-is-trash-stop-fcking-using-it?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[trim nacelle]

British Food

[obtuse garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/solluminati-slow-down-so-slow-down-boy-slow-down-solluminati-young-thung-solluminati-boy-slow-down-gif-16785807712341420508

[runic grotto]

How much do I need riposte?

I really love flesh tearer, but I never used it in h40

So not sure if it's still usable or it's just bad

[pale spindle]

Wait what weapons are you using?

[placid fiber]

isn't flesh tearer only a knife blessing? >.>

[pale spindle]

Oh wait there is only one weapon in the game with that blessing

[runic grotto]

this build literally

[pale spindle]

The weapons don't really matter that much I was just showing you the tree

But for knife, uncanny/riposte is generally the best combo with book because you can't force crits out like with stealth or fury

[runic grotto]

You sent it yourself

[pale spindle]

If I was using fury, I would take riposte/precog

[runic grotto]

But is flesh tearer that bad on h40?

I only used it in normal aurics and I love bleeds, but I feel like they fall off hard in h40

[pale spindle]

Bleed in general is bad unless you go full crit stacking on the talent tree and take uncanny as the second blessing

Even then it's medicore at best

It's pretty funny I to bosses tho 💀

[runic grotto]

Bleed is awesome, but that's for normal aurics

And those aren't really that difficult

[pale spindle]

Hang on where is that table?

Found it

The problem is bleed has horrific armor penetration

[placid fiber]

I copied it but somehow hit ctrl + c so it uncopied it

[pale spindle]

If you gave a crusher 16 stacks of bleed, it will take 2 minutes for him to die 💀

[placid fiber]

isn't that the dps?

465

[pale spindle]

Yeah

[hushed knoll]

Oh gotcha

[runic grotto]

uncanny exists

[placid fiber]

you do know 10 seconds of 465 is 4650 right?

[hushed knoll]

That’s good

[pale spindle]

Same difference 😈

[placid fiber]

Unless you didn't sustain it <.<

Tru

[runic grotto]

I am not using bleed without uncanny

[hushed knoll]

Bleed with uncanny seems pretty decent I’ve been trying it

[placid fiber]

So you eat raw bacon, good to know

[hushed knoll]

It’s not raw

[pale spindle]

That's fine, but why go thru all the trouble of hitting the weak spots if you can just make the weak spot hits harder with crit or finesse?

[placid fiber]

it sure as hell isn't very cooked

[pale spindle]

Uncanny only works if you hit the weakpoint

[runic grotto]

I am aiming for weakspots anyway

[hushed knoll]

With something like knife it’s not that hard

It’s pretty easy

[pale spindle]

Yeah but bleed damage is not based on your finesse or crits

That's the point I'm making

[placid fiber]

meanwhile finesse damage or crit strikes is based on your finesse or crit

[pale spindle]

If the majority of damage from knife is from finesse, weak points, and crits

Why do you care about the bleed?

[runic grotto]

Because I like bleed

[misty nova]

Hey
As long as it's not lacerate

[runic grotto]

I'm gonna stab you with a knife and see how you react to bleeding