#zealot-class

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ornate bone
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y nawt

winter oxide
plush estuary
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they would have a point if this was onslaiught VT

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buyt its DT

ornate bone
heady rapids
placid fiber
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Yeah, but, what if you want to actually have fun? >.>

blissful frigate
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infinite hordes at launch kinda made this true

ornate bone
sterile basalt
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Full rush is no fun

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Full cleanup is a slog

blissful frigate
placid fiber
placid fiber
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I like the mixed approach

sterile basalt
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Base game doesn’t have anti-rush mechanics like havoc

heady rapids
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huh

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didnt it have both rush prevention and speedrun prevention

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same as vermin

blissful frigate
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the base game doesnt have boss spawns, and vermintide forces you to kill the bosses before moving foward

sterile basalt
winter oxide
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whats there to stop you from speedrunning in non havoc?

plush estuary
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nothing

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teammates

winter oxide
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exactly

sterile basalt
plush estuary
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and anothing in havoc either

sterile basalt
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But full rushing is boring

winter oxide
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this is why you must master rolling steel

plush estuary
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there is no rush prevention

placid fiber
blissful frigate
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just wasd

sullen forge
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You will get stopped

plush estuary
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bosses are easy to kite

heady rapids
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is this just not a thing anymore

ornate bone
winter oxide
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he took it straight from the ss

placid fiber
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Full rushing is boring, breaking spawns so that you get 1/3 or 1/2 the spawns is stupid

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Why even play aurics+ if you're going to not engage with half of the spawns due to breaking them?

winter oxide
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i wanna play h40 rolling steel

sterile basalt
placid fiber
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Besides for resources I mean

placid fiber
sullen forge
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Lmao

blissful frigate
# heady rapids is this just not a thing anymore

the horde timing feels different in damnation, waiting in one spot for hordes to farm certain penances feel like they take way longer than they used to, but other than that everything still seems to apply

winter oxide
placid fiber
sterile basalt
winter oxide
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will the arbites have a dueling sword?

placid fiber
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Probably

heady rapids
placid fiber
blissful frigate
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yeah it's changed a lot, my point of reference is still closer to launch when penance farming was harder and more popular

heady rapids
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every penance deemed unfun would be done by killing thyself

placid fiber
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idk if this is just me but imo class penances felt less generic back at launch

median steeple
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yahoo yippie

blissful frigate
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and pubs were just down to do that

heady rapids
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the only one that was nigh impossible to do was the 5 ogryn bull rush penance

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no idea how you were supposed to do without a team with old spawns

ripe quest
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So, saw this one again. wdym by this, do they not line up w/ already established values?

blissful frigate
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the worst was brainbursting 5 elites in 12 seconds

placid fiber
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I feel like I got that one by accident

blissful frigate
heady rapids
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asked randos not to shoot shit

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they got gunned down by shotgunners

placid fiber
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I brain bursted way more back near launch than I do nowadays

sterile basalt
placid fiber
sterile basalt
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Also from what I tested, not even the coded values align with gameplay

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So there’s smth going on that I don’t know of

placid fiber
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Oof

blissful frigate
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I farmed the beginning of hi int missions for 5 hours trying to bb the first set of elites, and then I got it just before people realized that commsplex spawned infinite gunners in the mid event

sterile basalt
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For example the code says max cleave is 100 for damage, 105 for stagger

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This is not true

placid fiber
sterile basalt
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What I tested, the actual cleave for damage is somewhere between 104 and 105

heady rapids
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comms plex also had a guaranteed shotgunner pack

sterile basalt
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And stagger cleave goes above 105

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Basically

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Any weapon that has a charging mechanic

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Is completely fucked

visual stream
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Archivum Syc has a guaranteed shotgunner pack while you're going to extract

placid fiber
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Yep

blissful frigate
placid fiber
heady rapids
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@acoustic dune mannnnnn

acoustic dune
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women?

placid fiber
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Doesn't exist (I say even tho I've been married for over 10 years)

heady rapids
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imagine

ripe quest
heady rapids
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a keychain from Italy

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with the tower of pisa

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pisa? piza?

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and a cat drawing

sterile basalt
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So smth is not right

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From what I tested, hipfire cleave is somewhere between 55 and 56

plush estuary
sterile basalt
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So 52.5% of 105 = 55.1 which is accurate

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Also to save u some time

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@ripe quest the damage template used by the plasma gun in game is called default_plasma_bfg

placid fiber
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big fucking gun

ripe quest
sterile basalt
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There’re a bunch of other plasma gun damage templates

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None of them are used by current plasma

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Coded in for the love of the game

sterile basalt
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Maybe when they make plasmagun_p1_m2 and m3 they’ll be used

ivory marlin
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wait new class is tomorrow yeah?

plush estuary
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12 days

sterile basalt
ivory marlin
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bruh

placid fiber
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I blame Cole

ivory marlin
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ive noticed alot of ogryn in havocs

placid fiber
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Ogryn is easy mode now...

ivory marlin
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so far every comp ive seen is 3 ogryn 1 zealot

placid fiber
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ogryn is to darktide as ironbreaker is to vermintide 2

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I literally tanked a mighty grudge marked monster in vt2 as ironbreaker on legend and only went to half hp >.>

tawdry leaf
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i might start taking the fire nades over the knifes because i just cannot get good with them

placid fiber
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See special, throw knife

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Out of knives? Pick up ammo or melee kill elite/special

tawdry leaf
# placid fiber See special, throw knife

my mouse has side buttons which yk are automatically keybinded too for equipment if you have them. the problem is, i cant aim the knives while holding the side button down. and because of that, my grip on the mouse is much more limited so my aim is just downright fucking awful with them

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if i could actually hold down my mouse button to aim and throw it id be fine with it

placid fiber
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I just use g for my blitz still

tawdry leaf
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i use hold right mouse button to ADS so im so used to having to hold it down to aim

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which gives more grip onto the mouse

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essentially that lack of grip makes my aim shit because im not used too not holding down my mouse when i do aim

ripe quest
placid fiber
sterile basalt
heady rapids
sterile basalt
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Result was
It could penetrate 5 mauler + 1 scab gunner to hit smth behind

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But cannot penetrate 5 mauler + 3 scab bombers

placid fiber
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You are complaining about your side buttons making mouse aim harder... when you don't have to use your side mouse buttons...

sterile basalt
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Hence, greater than 55, but no more than 56

tawdry leaf
median steeple
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Bro's easy asf

heady rapids
acoustic dune
heady rapids
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the only thing I'm afraid is the draconic tree sentinel

ivory marlin
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What the fuck is a hexbound deamonhost

placid fiber
acoustic dune
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chat

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arbities rework when?

heady rapids
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last night

acoustic dune
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no...

median steeple
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Maybe the ice dragon on the mountain

acoustic dune
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anyhow its 2 am

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imma head to sleep

heady rapids
median steeple
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The draconic tree sentinels are fucking crazy

ivory marlin
median steeple
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Are they not scaled correctly? Cause like they're not that hard in normal Elden ring

heady rapids
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I've no idea

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It's like

winter oxide
heady rapids
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A midgame bost

winter oxide
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need the ritual modifier for that

heady rapids
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in basegame

ivory marlin
heady rapids
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in nightreign it just annihilates you

acoustic dune
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b1ade could you post tole tole

heady rapids
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also

heady rapids
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libra field boss

winter oxide
ivory marlin
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I see

winter oxide
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but there is no need to rush

undone pewter
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I got hit with one of it's lightning strikes at level 11 and it 1 hit me as executor and I audibly said "Huh?"

ivory marlin
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Was unaware of what the bar was and then randomly a dh spawned on me

winter oxide
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theres also a bug where you can be part of the ritual but idk if they fixed that

tawdry leaf
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most specialists are unarmored right

median steeple
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Yeah

ivory marlin
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I need a carry

median steeple
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Hmm maybe

ivory marlin
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I need recluse rememberance

placid fiber
sullen forge
winter oxide
tawdry leaf
sullen forge
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usually the rest are Infested and rare bits of Flak

heady rapids
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libra field boss

median steeple
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Libra?

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More like

placid fiber
median steeple
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I don't think I can say the word lmao

sullen forge
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If you say something unfunny...

ivory marlin
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Augur random event is so useless for my usual squad

ivory marlin
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Im the only fp user

heady rapids
ivory marlin
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Why

median steeple
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Mark we can finally be bees

heady rapids
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Time wasting son of a bitch

ivory marlin
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Free boss

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I’ve actually never attempted it

heady rapids
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it's a snoozefest

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literally free run

median steeple
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I legit always keep 35k on me at all times and I pray for the libra event

heady rapids
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even as a melee char

ivory marlin
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Fissure in the fog was a beautiful fight

heady rapids
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worst boss design by far

placid fiber
heady rapids
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in this game

ivory marlin
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I really enjoyed fissure

heady rapids
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fissure is cool

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but really easy

median steeple
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I HATE runebears and in nightreign they do sleep damage

heady rapids
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til runebears can teleport

ivory marlin
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Yeah i did fissure hitless ngl

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Yall wanna do a night aspect run 👉 👈

heady rapids
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im sleeping rn

ivory marlin
placid fiber
heady rapids
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I have two separate groups I have to beat him with still

ivory marlin
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I fucking hate death rite bird

placid fiber
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I think everyone does

heady rapids
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I fucking hate how guardian can't block his phase two attacks

ivory marlin
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Dont even care hes the final boss

heady rapids
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oh cool a char with little to no i frames on rolls

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guess I'll block

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NO

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FUCK YOU

ivory marlin
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Lmao

placid fiber
ivory marlin
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Welp time to solo queue

heady rapids
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YOU CAN'T BLOCK

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you get hit and die

ivory marlin
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Omg i love “sorry you die”

heady rapids
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cause there's no way to possibly know what you can and cannot block cause it's a fromsoft title

ivory marlin
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Thank you so much fromsoft

placid fiber
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And yes I know there are 2 shields in bloodborne

heady rapids
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my last two guardian runs were on heolstor

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I died the exact same way

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phase two, team wipes, I try to res with aoe block dmg

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he just hits me

placid fiber
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Oof

heady rapids
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first time I thought maybe it was a bug or I needed to face the direction or whatever really

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nope he just doesn't care

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regular guy swinging his slightly glowing sword

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can't block that

placid fiber
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Well yeah

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Don't u kno?

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slightly glowy means lightsaber

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What's funny is the guy I am watching play nightreign eats a lot of shit with his friends, but, the few times he has played with randos... he's gotten the god-tier randos

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the randos who were on crack, meth, you name it...

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The randos who would solo clutch against 2 chaos spawns, a crusher gang, and 50 bajillion specials <_<'

hollow meteor
placid fiber
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On a good day maybe lol

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I've pulled off some really stupid solo clutches in my glory days

blissful frigate
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being real, a lot of the nightreign bosses have really easy movesets to dodge, just that some of the mechanics will grind you down

placid fiber
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And the omega aoe explosions

hollow meteor
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Pill can do it with one hand behind his back and both eyes closed chadgryn

placid fiber
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Uh...

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I think you put too much faith on me

hollow meteor
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You don't have enough faith in yourself chadgryn

placid fiber
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I have faith in myself, I just respect myself enough not to put unnecessary levels of stress on myself

blissful frigate
blissful frigate
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the aoe circles are late enough to give you enough time to dodge twice out of them, if you have the dodge frame buff they just dont hit you

misty nova
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But they should be back at havoc 2.0

placid fiber
misty nova
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But the preventions should still be a thing overall

blissful frigate
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yeah most of the skill issue is the pressure and the amount of time you actually get to learn them, but they are easier to learn

placid fiber
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depending on how easily you learn boss attacks

hollow meteor
placid fiber
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the calmer I am... the worse I generally play

hollow meteor
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So then you can do it chadgryn

placid fiber
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Also the calmer I am the less fun I tend to have...

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I will say the raider looks the most fun to me in nightreign, but, I loved having big weapons when I played dark souls 1 and 2

blissful frigate
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Bardin has rizz

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Love how he's giving advice specifically to kruber

placid fiber
blissful frigate
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knife zealot before knife zealot

placid fiber
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You mean dual daggers? >.>

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Dual swords were the crit monsters tho

blissful frigate
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nah that's too far into actually being cool and 1 shotting monsters

placid fiber
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cause the light 3 has +25% crit, and the light 4 has +50% crit

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Also technically duals swords, dual daggers, and sword and dagger can omega murder monsters on shade since you can get 4 hits of the omega stab with them

blissful frigate
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dual sword was just a turn your brain off kinda thing, daggers or dagger+sword was actually based with shade

placid fiber
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Sword and dagger has been meta for kerillian for ages

misty ravine
placid fiber
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Heh

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Beam staff has also been good for monsters since vt1

misty ravine
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Did VT1 even have a beam staff?I legit dont remember

placid fiber
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yeah

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it was the opposite of vt2's

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m1 was the shotgun, m2 was the beam

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it might have been a dlc weapon tho

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Nope it was base game

misty ravine
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Huh, shows how much I played Sienna

placid fiber
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sienna was the one I played the most, which lined up since I played sienna the most in vt2

ripe quest
sterile basalt
gaunt roost
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vermintide gets dual weapons??

gaunt roost
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god fatshark hates darktide

placid fiber
gaunt roost
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where is my dual eviscerator ogryn

placid fiber
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the only character without dual weapons is sienna

frozen kernel
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VT2 also has bots that you can customize to play your other loadouts for respective characters

clever swan
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dt is like the red headed step child

gaunt roost
frozen kernel
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Allegedly the reason we didn’t launch with them in DT is because they came later in VT2’s life, and DT was built off an early version of VT2

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But it’s been actual years now, the bots are prolly due for a facelift

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Read: They are due, I just don’t know if we’ll get a surprise with the Arby’s update

misty nova
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Me omw to say dogshit bots on VT2

desert fern
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ey sorry to bother can anyone help me with the "just a flesh wound" penance

modern lintel
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@plush estuary

plush estuary
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I'm out rn, but probably later I can

desert fern
plush estuary
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I'm the person who can help

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That's what he means

desert fern
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ah

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alr ig-

zealous basin
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dogtide!!!!!

clever swan
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woofarftide

zealous basin
hexed igloo
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Sometimes i remember this study and it's always funny

desert fern
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they shouldve used a real socket to see how long until someone sticks you know what there

ivory marlin
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Turns out 2 wylders can just stun lock night aspect

placid fiber
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It's hilarious seeing a raider power stancing 2 anchors

median steeple
carmine falcon
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raider + wylder + bird = stunlock city

placid fiber
median steeple
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fruity

ivory marlin
placid fiber
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Man... I had this "safe for animals" bug spray... I sprayed it and all it seemed to do was make the floor slick. I have some raid bug spray this time and I've already seen 2 flies actively dying from just a light amount of spraying >.>

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I fucking hate flies, due to my poor eyesight they are pretty much invisible to me 99.99% of the time

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I can't wait for winter again, at least during winter there are no flies...

plush estuary
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1 plague ogryn caused 3 teamamtes to leave

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lol

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its solo time

modern lintel
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they knew he was after their rations

desert fern
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just did the train mission and shit didnt proc

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guessing that mission doesnt count-

plush estuary
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it does

placid fiber
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It does

desert fern
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then why tf

plush estuary
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I've done it 200 times on it

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you messed up somewhere

desert fern
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can u not get knocked or smth???

placid fiber
plush estuary
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you can

desert fern
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let the first enemy just knock me

plush estuary
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thats not udner 1 wound

desert fern
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was cuz I let em hit me after

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was at 25% hp with 2 wounds only

placid fiber
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You don't need to get downed to be below 1 wound of hp

desert fern
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no but it helps

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so my hp cant go above 1 wound

placid fiber
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Not really cause if you die then you lose valuable time

desert fern
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didnt die though

gleaming furnace
placid fiber
desert fern
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yes?

placid fiber
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Are you 100% sure about that?

desert fern
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yes?

placid fiber
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Were you in a group before queuing for it?

desert fern
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yes?

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cant proc a private alone

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also ye we just lost so uh @plush estuary

placid fiber
placid fiber
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Dat ping...

plush estuary
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@desert fern okay, just need your fatshark code

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social menu then press E

desert fern
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8250288508

plush estuary
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go for until death

desert fern
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on it

plush estuary
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something like this

placid fiber
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If so wouldn't the 5s stealth work better?

desert fern
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need like 15 more kills and im free of this damn skill

placid fiber
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I was just thinking since shroud would have a lower cooldown and last longer allowing ainz to hard carry more easily due to you being less likely to insta die

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And in the extremely rare case of ainz somehow getting trappered... the 1 in a 5 billion chance... you could unnet ainz pretty easily with 5 seconds of shroudfield

desert fern
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I have witnessed peak darktide

daring magnet
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What gun does Nala Cantara use?

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The cover art zealot

placid fiber
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When you see lamia lover join your strike team, you just accept you are getting hard carried

plush estuary
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t'was michael wave

hollow meteor
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eh

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Not as cool as that unsanctioned psyker guy

desert fern
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now the question is mortis or saintly mendicants hmhhh

hollow meteor
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He doesn't afraid of anything

plush estuary
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agent chaos?

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yeah

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he's okay

sullen forge
hollow meteor
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No the guy

sullen forge
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Shredder Auto Pistol + Thunder Hammer

hollow meteor
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@lone pecan AKA the unsanctioned psyker

daring magnet
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Oh no I have to use the SAP

placid fiber
hollow meteor
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I saw AgentChaos shoot his recon lasgun into poxwalker hordes, true story

sullen forge
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Its incredibly powerful now for Zealot especially

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just run Pinning Fire + Ins Barrage

hollow meteor
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Real talk, you do good work, Ainz chadgryn

placid fiber
daring magnet
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I just need to get the right version of me mallet

sullen forge
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I literally just said

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eh

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im bored

placid fiber
sullen forge
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Literally used that to make sure

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I was right

placid fiber
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huh

sullen forge
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She does in fact use the SAP

daring magnet
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Oh I havw that

sullen forge
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LMAO

placid fiber
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I thought they had the mortis one for the thammer

daring magnet
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I was wrong

placid fiber
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w/e it is called

daring magnet
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Nala’s thunder hammer is just the ironhelm version

placid fiber
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the imperial edition version of the thammer is the best skin for it

desert fern
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welp while im at it, is there an arguable "meta" zealot build or

placid fiber
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Yes

desert fern
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oh I can use emotes now

daring magnet
desert fern
desert fern
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THE BUILD™️

hollow meteor
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I was about to say

desert fern
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forgot that existed for a minute

placid fiber
hollow meteor
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It's not really "a" meta build, as much as it is, "the" build KEKW_ogryn

placid fiber
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You can use every melee weapon except the mk1 version of the dclaw without an armor damage ranged

daring magnet
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Meta this meta that

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Ever meta girl reject???

placid fiber
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I've been married for over 10 years >.>

ivory marlin
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Oof what a come back

daring magnet
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Following meta is lame either way

desert fern
hollow meteor
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Don't call it a come back, been here for years

placid fiber
desert fern
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but seeing these 2 mfs dart around the train at mach 10 makes me think its probably not a good idea

hollow meteor
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(if you know, you know)

desert fern
daring magnet
placid fiber
grizzled aspen
hollow meteor
desert fractal
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helo

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how you all doin

hollow meteor
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Ey Runk, Ogryn of the hour

grizzled aspen
desert fractal
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das runk!

daring magnet
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Runk my beloved

desert fractal
placid fiber
desert fractal
hollow meteor
placid fiber
grizzled aspen
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The song started playing in my head automatically upon reading that.

hollow meteor
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Good chadgryn

hollow meteor
sullen forge
tidal locust
sullen forge
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Burger

tidal locust
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Does it come with a burger

placid fiber
plush estuary
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uggy

placid fiber
tidal locust
placid fiber
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average revolver zealot ^

long oasis
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shokuho dropped today

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I hit randomize and got japanese andrew tate

placid fiber
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Sounds about right

void bison
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I like auric damantionatoino a lot

gleaming furnace
plush estuary
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game crashed at the end

misty nova
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How I look at Norman Reedus after I forced him to carry 100 kg worth of cargo

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Also I've seen some questionable placements

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💀

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Some half usable ladder

frozen kernel
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It do be like that laugh

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Gotta upvote the shit outta the useful stuff

void bison
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I even read the wiki to remember the convolutedness of the plot!!

drowsy steppe
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a

spring fractal
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This build is peak darktide

misty nova
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Ah yes

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"crutches"

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💀

spring fractal
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Ive improved insanely quickly by just not using that

frozen kernel
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Now you’ve moved onto overloading stam regen KEKW_ogryn

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Brb crafting hammer with block eff

long oasis
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build but only with this quarter of the skill tree?

spring fractal
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That's normal

long oasis
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hehehe

frozen kernel
plush estuary
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LOOK HE DISCONNECTED

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HE PULLED OUT THE STUN

acoustic dune
acoustic dune
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chat is this true

runic grotto
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Is there a way to copy cosmetics from one build to another?

jagged cradle
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No wonder you’re fruity

plush estuary
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"no teamwork" "we need bubble" "more teamplay please"

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no

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I'm going m1 psyker

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EK assail gaze

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also ate a burseter typing taht

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ow

jagged cradle
plush estuary
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ye

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havoc 40

jagged cradle
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How’s that going tonight

plush estuary
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fun until they switched to pur g psyker

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and ogryun

jagged cradle
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What were they before

hollow meteor
plush estuary
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vets and zel

jagged cradle
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Very cringe

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Also I kinda understand the uncanny lacerate propaganda

plush estuary
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speaking of

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I forgot to get back to exil about mercy killer vs lacerate

hollow meteor
jagged cradle
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You’re welcome for the reminder

obsidian prairie
plush estuary
#

something

jagged cradle
#

If you don’t remember then it probably wasn’t important

plush estuary
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ledge your nearest DemonHost

hearty nebula
plush estuary
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I'm in the walls

jagged cradle
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How’d you manage that

plush estuary
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Some parkour

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It's really easy to get outside most maps

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I was trying to find another ledge spot for DH

hexed igloo
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Obesefish too obese to do parkour to find the comically easy spots to leave the map

hexed igloo
tawny harbor
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reminds me of an absolutely epic run in chaos wastes
where several of us got yeeted into an unused portion of the map and we spent a full half an hour trying to phase through the walls back into the actual map
which fortunately succeeded because apparently the maps were full of holes like that
truly a fatshark moment

plush estuary
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If you know corner clipping you can get anywhere

acoustic dune
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Chat

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Catlot

acoustic dune
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OK now post that go away darktide player cat

void bison
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video game

olive blaze
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My baby

hidden dew
grizzled aspen
hearty nebula
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:3c

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get terror'd

acoustic dune
hearty nebula
stone fern
acoustic dune
clever swan
obtuse garnet
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@frosty herald is it true

reef flower
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Dear fellow Zealots, Im now retiring and joining the arbitesKEKW_ogryn

reef flower
reef flower
acoustic dune
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ik...

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i am spening 20 dilla on it

acoustic dune
placid fiber
placid fiber
placid fiber
acoustic dune
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what vile nurgle infestation did you cook for us today

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stan

placid fiber
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Probably bacon with tartar sauce on it

hushed knoll
acoustic dune
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o boy

hushed knoll
placid fiber
hushed knoll
stone fern
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why does stan eat his bacon medium and his steak well done?

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why is stan always wrong?

hushed knoll
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Clad wtf

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Take it back

placid fiber
hushed knoll
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I’ve supported you always

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And this is how you repay me?

stone fern
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yea

hushed knoll
#

Clad

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Meet me after school

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Bike rack 4pm

misty nova
placid fiber
onyx saddle
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i have a quick question, if youre desperate to win can you just like wait 2 minutes before any fight to trigger the zealot invulnterability

placid fiber
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I mean you could... but you aren't supposed to rely on your death defy

cunning knoll
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theoretically
but you're probably gonna get horded in the meantime

placid fiber
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relying on your death defy is quite literally a rookie mistake >.>

rose plume
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try a different tactic to win

onyx saddle
#

what if youre in a high havoc, its an elevator right before another big wave, and you just triggered it in the last wave

placid fiber
rose plume
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keep distance to avoid hits, you can go in for a few swings and then slide backwards away from the enemy to let your team peel for you

onyx saddle
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i just wanted to know if u could take advatnage of it

placid fiber
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I mean yeah... you can abuse tons of things

obtuse garnet
onyx saddle
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Well, I played a book spam in high havoc and now im trying to play thunder hammer because my group keeps getting overrun by bosses, like once we had three twins and another random ass boss

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i used to basically never trigger the invulnerability but now it happens pretty frequently

rose plume
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What kind of enemies are you targeting with the hammer? Are you trying to clear chaff or just doinking the elites?

onyx saddle
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for heavy attack chain clearing stuff

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even when using the ability on stuff

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I feel like hammer is just ass, like i have heavy attack plus charge to kill heavier elites and the heavy sweeps are so slow

cunning knoll
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i always felt like hammer only shined in these moments with the bosses and was mostly a chore to use elsewhere

onyx saddle
#

i’m getting the same feeling

cunning knoll
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join the knife gang, we have drugs

placid fiber
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A lot of weapons fall off in havoc, the thammer can work in havoc but it isn't ideal by any means

onyx saddle
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i thought hammer was “good” in havoc

placid fiber
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I mean it works...

mild sparrow
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Hammers fine outside of rager packs, they can be tricky. How do you have it setup?

onyx saddle
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Thrust and head taker

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just followed some yt and the zealot guide here

placid fiber
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Youtube is not the way

onyx saddle
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not excussively youtube but i like to get sources from a lot of places

placid fiber
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Youtube is great at spreading misinformation

rose plume
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Fake news, even?

onyx saddle
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def also a skill issue, i’ve heard people say hammer is harder to play and i’ve just picked it up recently

rose plume
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If you have a good team that can support you then the hammer shines imo

placid fiber
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Is defences dumped? I'm not sure what perks you realy want for havoc but I'm guessing you want it for single target in general

onyx saddle
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yea i have the basic hammer build i followed from the guide in this channel

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i did change some stuff though like i removed that perk next to second wind

mild sparrow
placid fiber
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The guide by ainz is meant for non-havoc, but, the blessings I feel are still the same

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The dump stats never change for havoc

onyx saddle
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i also got the two nodes to the 20% unyielding

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didn’t get the short branches below knife

placid fiber
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You're playing thammer without twbs?

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Yeah you're in for cancer

onyx saddle
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i feel like it’s just skill issue

placid fiber
mild sparrow
placid fiber
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Any weapon that use heavies for horde clear without thy wrath be swift is cancer

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doesn't matter if it is the thammer, the mk2 relic blade, or the mk4 chain axe...

onyx saddle
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i might try putting it back, i heard you can optimize damage without it but i might not have the ability for that

placid fiber
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having 1 horde asshole hitstun you into 5 more horde assholes is annoying when you're trying to heavy attack them

onyx saddle
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i was talking about enduring faith

placid fiber
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crit thammer is rough

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It is possible due to up to 25% crit from piety

onyx saddle
#

dance of death looks useful though

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useless

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2 points to get to ty raft whatever

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?

placid fiber
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on flamer? Yeah it is useless, but, twbs is hitstun immunity(except block breaks)

onyx saddle
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alr thanks for the insight, ill give that a shot

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what about duelist

placid fiber
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A must have

onyx saddle
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i also went to get sustained assault

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and invocation of death at the bottom

placid fiber
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Unless you use piety with the thammer, do not use enduring faith

onyx saddle
#

as well as the entire martydoom tree

onyx saddle
#

why is duellist necesary

placid fiber
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scourge is also a waste

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Duellist is practically raw damage for dodging

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Because you are always aiming for the weakspots

onyx saddle
#

so blood redemption instead of scouge?

placid fiber
#

Yeah, for a non-crit thammer

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scourge is basically useless for a non-crit weapon

onyx saddle
#

what about invocation of death

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how do you get crit to proc that or do you not even need it

placid fiber
#

what career skill?

onyx saddle
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its the more ability regen on crit

placid fiber
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What ability?

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do you have

onyx saddle
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martydoom

placid fiber
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not keystone

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f ability

onyx saddle
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dash

placid fiber
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It can be useful with chastise

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but are you doing a marty build?

onyx saddle
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yea

placid fiber
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gimme a sec

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either this

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or(I don't advise this one as much btw) this

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the 1st one is better

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the 2nd one is just more safety

onyx saddle
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hmm

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my botom looks like this

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i grabbed that one

placid fiber
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Invocation of death is a 3 point sink

onyx saddle
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biut it seems like its not needed

placid fiber
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on a non-crit build

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pious cuthroat is a 2 point sink

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and is not crit related

onyx saddle
#

what is cuthroat\

placid fiber
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20% cdr on backstab kill

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Vs one that will only proc on your career skill(chastise) use

onyx saddle
placid fiber
#

You want pious cutthroat

onyx saddle
#

i thought you said its a 2 point sink on a non crit build

placid fiber
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no, I am saying 1 is a 2 point sink and 1 is a 3 point sink

onyx saddle
#

ohh

placid fiber
#

1 doesn't rely on crit, 1 does

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pious cutthroat doesn't rely on crit

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meaning you can get use out of it when your career skill isn't used

onyx saddle
placid fiber
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invocation of death on a non-piety thammer you will never get use out of reliably without chastise

obtuse garnet
onyx saddle
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which one is chastise

placid fiber
#

oops didn't mean to reply to that lol

onyx saddle
#

names are too complicated bruh

placid fiber
#

fury of the faithful is called chastise the wicked as the base skill

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we call it chastise for short

onyx saddle
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alr thanks for the insight

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and lastly

placid fiber
#

Builds are tough(without the build™️), but, I know some tricks of the trade

onyx saddle
#

if i get good i can throw away thy raft be swift for the 20% unyelding??

placid fiber
#

For the thammer? I wouldn't

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It already does insane unyielding damage

mild sparrow
#

Also, you can run with 2 wounds and 1 toughness/health curio for some extra tankiness. Instead of 3 wounds. I'm not sure how well the math works out on havoc

placid fiber
onyx saddle
#

i have 2 wounds and a 17% toughness

placid fiber
#

That's what I run on marty >.>

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with 3 20% gunner resists, 3 5% health, and 3 5% toughness for the perks

onyx saddle
#

funny side note, zealot is like my least used class and i have 3 17% toughness curios

placid fiber
#

3 toughness is the way for non-marty

mild sparrow
#

Always the way lol

placid fiber
#

or 2 toughness and 1 stamina/health

onyx saddle
#

on my book spam i run 2 toughness and one stam

placid fiber
#

You are preaching meta for your curios >.>

onyx saddle
#

ive only tried the resist ones on ogryn

placid fiber
#

2 gunner resist is vital, 3 gunner resists is very helpful

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especially for havoc

onyx saddle
#

what about health?

placid fiber
#

health is very useful(it isn't affected by the reduced havoc health)

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Each 5% health is 10 bonus health on zealot

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the toughness is affected by the reduced toughness from havoc

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that being said toughness helps a ton

onyx saddle
#

would you say the health over the stamina regen/spring eff?

placid fiber
#

For havoc? while I don't play havoc I would still say yes

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30 health means you have uh

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200 health instead of 170

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on marty

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You should always be sliding on any character

onyx saddle
#

hmm

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i run with 6 wounds though, and to get 5 stacks tahts like 30 health left

placid fiber
#

It is technically slightly harder to get marty stacks with more hp, but, you also have a higher safety net

onyx saddle
#

if i want to keep 5 stacks the ~170-200 cut in 6 is like...

ornate bone
acoustic dune
#

chat

#

zealot rework here yet?

placid fiber
#

1/6th of 100 is 16.66, so that x 2 is 33.33

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each wound segment

onyx saddle
#

i usually use like a barrell to keep my health low

ornate bone
#

It’s saved me so many times. Especially if you ain’t using a faster weapon. If I use combat knife of taxe I can usually drop one gunner resist, but any other weapon I always use the extra

placid fiber
#

twbs is a life saver in general

carmine falcon
#

ayo wtf arabebees got a new trailer 3 days ago

onyx saddle
placid fiber
#

no hitstuns(except from block breaks)

onyx saddle
placid fiber
#

Not as high as you'd think

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I do have 4 zealots tho <.<

onyx saddle
#

why thooo

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what’s even the point of more than one

ornate bone
#

Because more zealots means you get to zealot more

placid fiber
#

one of the mods adds 3 character slots and I was like "why tf not?"

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I deleted my 2nd oggy for an arbiter slot >.>

onyx saddle
#

it’s 5 default right

placid fiber
placid fiber
#

right now I have 4 zealots, 1 psyker, 1 oggy, and 1 veteran

onyx saddle
#

i have one of each and one empty

placid fiber
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I got the mod for more loadouts

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the extra character slots were there so I used em

onyx saddle
#

tbh i just don’t see a point

placid fiber
#

I can do contracts on zealot longer

onyx saddle
#

it’s like picking your which car to drive when they’re all the same model and color

placid fiber
onyx saddle
#

lol

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u still never told me what level

placid fiber
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I'd have to look

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gimme a sec

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I don't play high end difficulty missions as much as I used to and when I only had 5 slots I remade my 2nd zealot a lot

onyx saddle
#

na i was use curious

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just

placid fiber
#

I mostly do chill runs nowadays

onyx saddle
#

my zealot is only 75

placid fiber
#

erm I need the true level mod

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Hadn't added it to my mod list again apparently

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My 4th zealot is freshly level 30

placid fiber
#

I've remade both my vet and ogryn as well now that I think of it...

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I had a remaking my characters phase >.>

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back when zealot still had the +10% attack speed as a base bonus before talent trees

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I'm a fairly low level for one of the players who has been playing since launch

fossil crag
#

quick question what are the 4 classes in the game and whats the new class being added?

onyx saddle
#

what if the new class is really squishy like pskyer and since everyone is playing it, randoms might be effectively running quad psyker teams

modern carbon
#

it has shield

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can't be squish

obtuse garnet
#

<@&735928989146939404>

stone fern
frosty herald
#

What happen

stone fern
frosty herald
#

Ah

trim nacelle
#

I saw the greatest description of an Arbites.

"Like a cop, but each crime you're charged with is a stacking debuff"

placid fiber
stone fern
#

noob

placid fiber
#

gottem

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got absolutely destroyed

ornate bone
#

Anyone by chance have a nice build for the thammer I can use loregryn

misty nova
#

Yeah scroll up a little

trim nacelle
copper hawk
ornate bone
#

Thank you!

copper hawk
#

Fairly standard hammer build

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And no problem

trim nacelle
#

The chaos radiating from that image. I don't know whether it is inspiration from the Emperor or Kornate heresy.

hushed knoll
pale spindle
hushed knoll
#

Excuse me are you clad?

stone fern
hushed knoll
#

If you do havocs with me I will bake you a pie

stone fern
#

😭

#

i can try

hushed knoll
#

Why are you crying

stone fern
#

i dont play havoc much

hushed knoll
#

Me neither

stone fern
#

aside from demoting myself to 1 to speed run

hushed knoll
#

I just want the cosmetics

heady rapids
stone fern
#

wanna speed run havoc 1s for completions?

hushed knoll
#

Sure

stone fern
#

peak!

hushed knoll
#

I mean it’s definitely stale af now

stone fern
#

nah its mid

hushed knoll
#

But it’s a good game

stone fern
#

no

hushed knoll
#

Yes blobhammer

heady rapids
#

i dont know a single bethesda game that can be called good

hushed knoll
#

wtf

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That’s a hot af take

stone fern
#

oblivion is good if you ignore the main quest

hushed knoll
#

Oblivion is one of the best games ever made

stone fern
#

skyrim is a mess the quests dont make sense

heady rapids
#

everything that came out after morrowind is a reskin of the same game

stone fern
#

i am the fucking dragonborn

heady rapids
#

some just have guns

stone fern
#

skyrim belongs TO ME

heady rapids
#

and and or in spacce

hushed knoll
#

Skyrim belongs to the Nords*

stone fern
#

we dont talk about starshit

heady rapids
#

unless i dont know of other franchises

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that they make

stone fern
#

bethesda publishes other games

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that they didnt make

#

rage was good

heady rapids
#

still not downloading

stone fern
#

no

heady rapids
#

130 gigs for that

stone fern
#

not even then

stone fern
#

the game is not playable

#

i finished it TWICE and did every quest in 120 hours

#

no other bethesda game had this little content

stone fern
#

there was like

#

3 quests that were good

heady rapids
stone fern
#

and one quest that made me mad enough to almost stop playing

heady rapids
#

i tried everything save for classic fallouts

hushed knoll
#

U mad bro?

heady rapids
#

it's the same game every time

stone fern
#

god that questline was so ASS

#

"your options are: kill them, sell them into slavery or make them fuck off on your own dime"

#

bruh i would have commited war crimes on that planet for her 😭

heady rapids
#

did you play polish skyrim cald

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clad

stone fern
#

yes

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you mean witcher?

heady rapids
#

is it good