zealot-class

[plush estuary]

I see, I was actually just thinking of doing that today

[polar swift]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-glad-i-could-help-happy-to-help-im-glad-i-can-help-masters-of-the-universe-gif-23928098

[plush estuary]

It's still there but unlike psyker you don't have the stam regen delay to spam pa the entire time

[polar swift]

What is the fastest way to get high level curios?

[ripe quest]

Was it nerfed? I mained Mk IV Chaxe and Mk III Knife and didn't have that issue. I recall it being pretty common for others to not have that issue. This was like, mid-late 2024

[plush estuary]

I'm unsure

[ornate bone]

Pray

[plush estuary]

Maybe a cole question

@spare talon

@spare talon

Wow

Double send mobile moment

[ripe quest]

Good to see Cole is still around

[plush estuary]

Mr coal

[polar swift]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-parksandrecreation-ronswanson-gif-4726438

https://tenor.com/view/pgg-mine-coal-gif-25724867

[mighty root]

Very good for utility, clutching, repositioning

[ripe quest]

Yeah but like, why. What tangible differences does it serve? Also kinda curious on the story of how that happened

Cuz I can imagine that Havoc gave way to higher non-modded challenges, forcing a meta change to favor stuff with more padding but I don't want to assume

[sterile stone]

What are you doin here

Isn't there a war going on helldiver

[north sedge]

nothing systemically changed

just the stam enjoyers took over

the squids have left erf

[sullen forge]

Not anymore

defense managed to win

[sterile stone]

The Chinese won?

[sullen forge]

yes

the chinese won

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1378007576331030649/Screen_Recording_20250530-205330_TikTok_1.mp4?ex=683b0910&is=6839b790&hm=a4c5aa45df7fd09aa095db8c6eb68f023011b8149e680802927dc6d666035977& the super president died lmao

[clever swan]

[sterile stone]

All it took was a video game to bring warring nations together.

[sullen forge]

how he died fighting ungodly waves of Voteless

[ripe quest]

I gave super earth the tools to dispatch their enemies efficiently and retired (taking a minute to play Darktide because it is fun)

[solar gorge]

he shot himself in the head

[ripe quest]

wacky

[median steeple]

the super fuhrer bunker

[solar gorge]

literally

[sterile stone]

I do wonder how this is gonna change the politics of the game

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[sterile stone]

Now that the ministry is leading the faction

[sullen forge]

Defense minister became the president

aka

lock the fuck in

[solar gorge]

they already elected a new one

[sterile stone]

Wait what

The defense ministry is no longer in charge?

[solar gorge]

The president has no power anyway

so in a way, they are in charge

[mighty root]

It’s been like that since vermintide so you can block, push, and sprint more

[north sedge]

not what he's asking

[frosty herald]

@plush estuary teach me

how do i make the accatran shotgun not dogshit

just had a rough event mission cause its only useful for staggering shit

[plush estuary]

accatran ?

[misty nova]

Kid named no Respite

[misty nova]

New name for Kantrael

Fire shotty

[plush estuary]

updated it, let me know how you think about it now

ahhh

I do flechette manstopper for funny 2 DoTs

but its a bad gun

[frosty herald]

it sucks so much ughhhhh

[mighty root]

[frosty herald]

shovel is also fucked

[misty nova]

Although the name Accatran is usually on Weapons with high rof
Fire shotty is the slowest

[violet hornet]

Bring back infinite fire shot cleave

[north sedge]

make it shoot through walls again

[violet hornet]

And bulwark shields

[frosty herald]

i need the new vet weapons so badly

[violet hornet]

If they do I'm gonna spend my entire ammo reserve fishing for the DH during the finale

[north sedge]

hah

[ripe quest]

I mean, you don't take stamina in V2 and didn't in earlier days of Darktide.

[obsidian prairie]

You couldn’t sprint in VT

[ripe quest]

iirc Psyker and Vet had reasons to take it at a couple points, just not on Zel

cuz poor base stam stats + psyker being funny

[mighty root]

Stamina or stam regen?

Cuz royal w/ cheese even recommends da regen

[frosty herald]

stamina

[plush estuary]

Anyone want me to add anything to the guide while I'm working on it?

[heady rapids]

dual daggers ......

[south ledge]

is there a tier list of melee/ranged weapons for the different marks

[obsidian prairie]

Basic combos for weapons

[ornate bone]

Is this an updated zealot guide?

[plush estuary]

just adding things to current guide

[plush estuary]

no tier list yet

but I can consider it

[heady rapids]

add more funny

[south ledge]

just as someone who is a noob at zealot, I have no idea what marks I should go for each weapon ect

[plush estuary]

I can ask the artists to draw more funnies

[ornate bone]

It actually pains me how bad the devils claw is in havoc but in auric it’s so nice to use lmao

[plush estuary]

I understand

I can work on one rn

while I wait

[south ledge]

cheers

[plush estuary]

I was suppoted to do a havoc 40 duo

[heady rapids]

add a v2 zealot iron heart cancel tech

guide

[plush estuary]

but my duo went afk

ham

wake up

[south ledge]

I am a veteran main so I will just try the weapons you cant get on vet for now

[acoustic dune]

for now?

[frosty herald]

you can ask symbol

im sure he likes to draw stuff for it

[acoustic dune]

whose drawing what?

[heady rapids]

add a thematic dishes section

[plush estuary]

Don't really have many spots left to add art

hmmm

[acoustic dune]

tf am i missing

[ornate bone]

Vet is in bad need of new melee like swapping over to vet was actually depressing in variety of good melee

[plush estuary]

maybe near the tierlist spot

[heady rapids]

vet has shovel

tho

[ornate bone]

In auric? Yeah goodluck

[south ledge]

we eat good for ranged but yeh melee a bit stale

[frosty herald]

imma be real

[south ledge]

I mainly just use power sword

[frosty herald]

shovel is not that good

[heady rapids]

it is

[frosty herald]

i struggled with it alot using kantrael

[ornate bone]

It’s pitiful in havoc lol

[frosty herald]

still had second place damage tho

[ornate bone]

Yeah it has good CC but like at that point just use shock maul

[south ledge]

which guide will have this tierlist?

the one top pinned?

[plush estuary]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16W_MhzUGXv9WRVjXjowIyqlktqrJ8U5wxVlgX3X5TU8/edit?tab=t.0

[misty nova]

But it goes bonk

Surely that's S tier

[south ledge]

ah yes looking at this one ty

thanks for everyone who helps do these guides, helps noobs like me a lot

[plush estuary]

Happy to help

[south ledge]

the problem is I have no good drip on zealot

[plush estuary]

this is mine

gotta look homeless

[south ledge]

ah I like the armoured looks

[misty nova]

Bluebian

[south ledge]

but I aint spending more monety on this gamer

*money on this game

[plush estuary]

my fav pic is

[lucid nest]

Do you get more skulls on Damnation vs Heretic vs Malice etc?

Or does it not really matter

[heady rapids]

you want to focus totems

and leave the match

[plush estuary]

Doing havoc 40 duo if anyone wants to watch in Strike Party 2

[placid fiber]

I'm not 100% sure, but, those totems are tanky

[lucid nest]

Malice gives 250. Totems get more tanky on higher ranks?

[placid fiber]

A heresy one tanked like 4 thrust heavies from my oggy's folding shovel

[mighty root]

@plush estuary is decimator a self buff?

[plush estuary]

idk

read it

[mighty root]

[heady rapids]

they die to 1 krak

join a match

krak

leave

repeat

[violet hornet]

Totems give 250 on every difficulty

[placid fiber]

Same for an activated thammer heavy with chastise

[violet hornet]

(I have no idea if they're less tanky in lower difficulties)

[lucid nest]

Tyvm

[violet hornet]

If you do 16 missions and get all three totems on each mission, that should land you the Aquilas reward at the end

[lucid nest]

Seems like you try to play the game without playing the game xD

[heady rapids]

yeah but you can just leave

no mid events no having to pl;ay

no extracts

[placid fiber]

lol there's a samus mod for risk of rain returns

[violet hornet]

Two charged thammer heavies does it too

[heady rapids]

even better if you have a duo

can just private it

[lucid nest]

good to know, yeah heavy attacks from a hammer do quite well. I just go rage mode against it with a DC

[polar swift]

Nice job on the curios/

[frosty herald]

theres also an alternative cursed curio setup

3 health curios

[mighty root]

Uncanny decimator with flak maniac and serrated blade

Since you smack a lot with the shovel you should be able to build bleed

[placid fiber]

Mini oggy setup

[mighty root]

Really been thinking about how I’d use this

I’ve theory crafted it for a second

[misty nova]

The secret for shovel is Helbores Hotshot 1

[frosty herald]

originally it was for me being able to tank hits during eviscerator revving

but it stuck around cause i liked being tanky

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile oggies just have to light spam the daemonhost

[frosty herald]

the consequenses of DR stacking

[placid fiber]

This is by far my favorite utility talent on oggy, just pushing and opening a bulwark is a nice quality of life thing

[frosty herald]

@hard nexus

[frosty herald]

erm tanner told me this was useless so your actualy wrong

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerdge-gif-23738139

[placid fiber]

I have yet to listen to tanner for more than the few seconds I accidentally did cuz I didn't realize it was a tanner video >.>

As soon as I realized who it was I noped on out

[mighty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f099eda-7be5-411a-9e3c-bc0d58293d7c/vet-meme

[mighty root]

vet havoc shovel

SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK

Someone go try that in havoc

Still thinking about getting the 15% elites

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-shut-up-shut-it-shush-shut-your-mouth-gif-26635232

[misty nova]

Oooh almost good

[mighty root]

Almost?

[misty nova]

It would be very good to take the reduced stamina delay nodes

So you can PA with that shovel

For important targets

[mighty root]

Yeah I thought about that

Hmmm

[misty nova]

Too much tax

[south ledge]

what is generally considered the best heavy eviscerator mark

[mighty root]

Yeah

[misty nova]

15

[mighty root]

I could drop the serrated blade route

But with how much you smack with the shovel it’s actually decent lol

[elfin thorn]

15

[south ledge]

ok ty

then best dump stat is cleave then?

[mighty root]

15

[mighty root]

Cleave targets

[elfin thorn]

best dump is 15 😼

[misty nova]

loud buzzer WRONG!

[misty nova]

Or mobility

Whatever fits your play style

[mighty root]

@plush estuary is it still a choice between power output and defense on the crusher?

Ignore that i was looking at the shock maul

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-get-online-pookie-dog-sad-gif-6302432934736161140

[autumn lark]

So i havent touched my zealot in a long while, what are the endgame setups that people are using nowadays?

[tawny harbor]

Tanner comes across as the kind of guy who browses 4chan for the edgy content but doesn't know how to turn off the 4chan mode when he's on other sites.

[placid fiber]

... I was inspecting oggy weapons and I noticed the shield gives less bonus stamina than the knife, shovel, pickaxe, and club... i'll check the paul if I have on in the dockets shop

The shield on oggy gives the least stamina out of all oggy melee weapons...

+3 instead of +4 or +6 >.>

[elfin thorn]

big fella

[elfin thorn]

check out the pinned messages. there's some build roughdrafts there

[plush estuary]

almost finished havoc duo

died to melee horde with Cspawn

[placid fiber]

oof

[elfin thorn]

rip

[mighty root]

Is grievous wounds needed for crusher?

[misty nova]

Nope

[mighty root]

Thought so

[misty nova]

The sweeping heavy hits hard

Stagger wise

[mighty root]

Been using crit crusher and it’s awesome

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-smack-knock-back-send-flying-flew-across-gif-15988015

[gleaming furnace]

yea crusher is great

[mighty root]

Push attack eats bosses

[gleaming furnace]

highly underrated

[mighty root]

Heavy light pa repeat

[gleaming furnace]

good enough for noobs but complex enough to allow for very high skill expression

[mighty root]

Atm I’m using hammerblow and skullcrusher with it

[gleaming furnace]

i bring bolter with it to help soften up bosses

wait isnt trauma better ?

[placid fiber]

it's technically slaughterer + skullcrusher for the meta blessings on the crusher

[gleaming furnace]

or wait no wtf take slaughterer

[mighty root]

Slaughter is

[gleaming furnace]

yeaj

[placid fiber]

since power is damage, stagger, and cleave

[mighty root]

Yeah

My only gripe is it’s on kill

[misty nova]

Trauma and Hammerblow compete with each other

[ripe quest]

People forget the 4th parameter of power: swagger

[misty nova]

Although slaughterer is a thing now

[placid fiber]

Tru...

[misty nova]

Because you can activate attack on a horde and insta stack trauma

[mighty root]

I wish it had headtaker instead of slaughter

[misty nova]

Trauma also keeps enemies staggered for longer

[solar gorge]

I don't have a pic of the darktide character named Swagger and i'm too lazy to get one so just picture him in yo head real quick

[mighty root]

Huh I didn’t know that

[mighty root]

I thought hammerblow was the best impact blessing

[misty nova]

Things FS doesn't tell

[placid fiber]

Don't say that too loud, someone might use it on the thammer >.>'

[ripe quest]

Psykhanium boss 1 shots won't ever be impressive to me ever since the OG near-raw 1 shots you could do post patch 13.

[misty nova]

Well it has higher value, better uptime

[mighty root]

Yeah das why I like it

[placid fiber]

Uh... that was recent, and I did it again even more recently >.>

[misty nova]

But once again
Slaughterer is a thing now

🫡

[ripe quest]

Now if you show me a boss 1 shot with a Mk IV chaxe I'll raise an eyebrow or two.

[mighty root]

Unless it’s something like chainaxe I usually prefer a buff with a ton of uptime

[placid fiber]

Probably would be possible if shroudfield worked with chain weapons

[acoustic dune]

would you go as for to say three?

[mighty root]

@misty nova can hammerblow stagger bosses?

[ripe quest]

No like, I'm saying that the video isn't impressive as I'm far too used to way simpler setups back at patch 13. Especially psykhanium ones.

[misty nova]

Afaik no

You need some Extreme Stagger

[placid fiber]

The only set up in that was marty stacks <.<

[mighty root]

Dang

[ripe quest]

It's like showing a Crusher 1 shot it's kinda basic

[placid fiber]

I get it's not impressive once you know your stuff, I just did that without duellist/headtaker and sustained assault stacks

[void bison]

THIS is impressive

[placid fiber]

Why is kevin holding me at beak point?

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/nose-smoke-dog-big-nose-sniffs-gif-10885319038859033209

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dog-awkward-dog-confused-awkward-confused-dog-gif-1955501164687414218

[void bison]

The Beak prowls. if you hear screams of terror at night, know he isn't far away. And no matter what, he's always closer than you think. His prey is never safe

[void bison]

HELL

[ivory marlin]

Kevin

[distant lagoon]

It feelsa so good hitting far away throwing knives

one-shoting snipers

[plush estuary]

anyone got the invite to the modding discord

forgot where to find it

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/plague-doctor-dance-gif-19130639

[spare talon]

#📌communities message

[plush estuary]

Thanks cole

[plush estuary]

the run ending mistake

Cspawn insta agro swapping

I know I shot it

also the lag during the duo

[plush estuary]

@modern hamlet

[heady rapids]

dark tuah

[visual stream]

dark tuah

[void bison]

warhawktuah darktuah 40'thoua

[plush estuary]

: (

[heady rapids]

yo

it just dawned on me

vermintide has built in martyr's purpose THAT ACTUALLY WORKS

[plush estuary]

yes

[heady rapids]

if i keep noticing things at this rate im gonna kill myself

[distant lagoon]

What is that?

[heady rapids]

the shittiest zealot cdr talent

[distant lagoon]

And Vermintide's Zealot class is just braindead

[heady rapids]

vermintide has built in cdr from doing damage and taking damage

[distant lagoon]

Ok, so what?

why it bothers you

vermintide also has shitty THP system

Which creates HUGE holes in balance

[heady rapids]

not as shitty as darktide AND they updated it literally last week

axing the overperformers

[distant lagoon]

They did?!?!?

Ok, i might reinstall Vermintide

[heady rapids]

they buffed on kill

and nerfed on stagger

[distant lagoon]

Only took them 10 years

[heady rapids]

and their zealot actually looks like something that is designed for the game whereas dt's zealot looks like they copypasted him from v2 into a system that does not really work that well

[distant lagoon]

did versus mod actually came out btw

[heady rapids]

yes

like a year ago

give or take

[distant lagoon]

i disagree, Darktide zealot is way better

Better in terms o fhow good design is

in terms of effectivness VT zealot of course stronger

[heady rapids]

i can give you throwing knives

[distant lagoon]

But that's because it is simply overpowered

Literally msot braindead class in the game

[heady rapids]

but everything else is just a straight copy

[distant lagoon]

Just spam left click without care

[heady rapids]

without much thought

[distant lagoon]

No

Just no

[heady rapids]

and the talent tree looks like a meme

like look at this shit

[distant lagoon]

???

[heady rapids]

did they just forget

[distant lagoon]

nothing forces you to do that

I don't do that

and i do just fine

[heady rapids]

i mean

there's 2 talents

and a node on the left

instead of a talent

[distant lagoon]

Ah

Was it always a thing?

[heady rapids]

yes

[distant lagoon]

never noticed it before

[heady rapids]

it's subtle cause you always mindlessly path through until death

[modern lintel]

whats going on here

[heady rapids]

idk its a pic from gameinformer or some shit

ign

no clue

belloflostsouls dot net what the fuck is that name

anyone wanna run this?

it actually looks uhh

idk

60% right

for blight havoc

[visual stream]

Crit share :D

Share 3% crit rate :D

So helpful

[distant lagoon]

I honeslty would never take any other ult but charge

[visual stream]

They literally could have just put that under the side that makes piety give even more crit

[distant lagoon]

Stealth ult needs some heavy buffs

[visual stream]

I do not understand why they DIDN'T do that instead

Anti-synergistic

[heady rapids]

zealot rework 2029

just you wait

[distant lagoon]

Zealot is fine overall

Just a few outliers

[visual stream]

It needs it for build diversity

It works but it can be more creative

[distant lagoon]

After all the strongest thing in the game is zealot with DS right now

[plush estuary]

no

its not

its an ogryn

with any build

[distant lagoon]

Well it is easier to perorm well with

[plush estuary]

and psyker still does more

[heady rapids]

oh man it even has this gem

[distant lagoon]

But i am sure good zealot will always outdamgae any ogryn

[plush estuary]

no

current ogryn is what zealtos are meant to be

but they do 3x more

[visual stream]

Psyker is more prone to misplay punishment

[plush estuary]

with less brain cells

[distant lagoon]

Typical ogryn gameplay tbh

And ogryn players always striked me as ogryns irl

with as much brain

so they need those buffs

[winter oxide]

really?

[clever swan]

the second he said it i went back to him

[acoustic dune]

you doing event?

[clever swan]

yeah, though not this one. i joined a monstrous specialists that was expiring

just on a lark

[acoustic dune]

mind if i join?

[clever swan]

go ahead. we need a guy to replace him

then ill do skulls after this

[acoustic dune]

gib me 5 min

[plush estuary]

chop chop

slayer moment

[heady rapids]

balanced out by being short

[distant lagoon]

So i read through a bunch of patchnotes and don't see anything about changing talents @heady rapids

[acoustic dune]

@clever swan ok i am in

[placid fiber]

they drastically buffed temp health on hitting multiple enemies by making the value after 5 targets above 0

[distant lagoon]

so how it all works in practicE?

[heady rapids]

they buffed on hit and nerfed on stagger

the most important ones

everything else is whatever it was already good

[distant lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/short-warhammer-thorgrim-gif-13932078525086181170

[misty nova]

The knee cap stealer acts once again

[placid fiber]

I'm guessing they also nerfed bw going from 1hp to 1hp 119 temp hp in 1 fire sword heavy 1 >.>

[polar swift]

does zealot hammer fall off at higher difficulties?

[heady rapids]

yes they have and people complained on reddit

[delicate shadow]

multipots moment

[distant lagoon]

eh, on headshot and on kills were meh

[distant lagoon]

ALso good thing

[heady rapids]

i always ran them when they were available

tho i wont tell you who has them besides whc and shade

[misty nova]

Only at high havoc

[placid fiber]

Yeah slayer is 1 of bardin's 2 potential monster killing careers

[misty nova]

Horde wise that is

[placid fiber]

The other is ranger veteran

[distant lagoon]

NO, in fact, there is 0 point in taking it on lower difficulty because things simply don't have enough health

[misty nova]

The extra bosses there are premium hammer time

[heady rapids]

i mean

you can kill bosses on any bardin career

[placid fiber]

that masterwork pistol is a boss killing masterpiece

[heady rapids]

trollhammer on ib

engi also has no problems killing well virtually anything

depending on the build

[placid fiber]

True, but, 1 mag of ranger veteran with mwp is... just stupid >.>

[distant lagoon]

How can you do it with one mag?

[heady rapids]

and you lose ap and cw dps compared to handgun so

[distant lagoon]

I never were able to do that

[heady rapids]

its a tradeoff

• you get input lag on normal shots

[placid fiber]

Yep, accuracy at long range and utility of handgun

[delicate shadow]

the regular AP is fine, you'll one shot stormvermin, but the range fall off is harsh af

[heady rapids]

but thats besides the point

ok why did i open reddit again

[frosty herald]

somehow arbites will get a trollhammer torpedo

[heady rapids]

righttttttt

[placid fiber]

It doesn't kill, but, it massively chunks after you use the ranger veteran's career skill since that boosts ranged damage

[heady rapids]

lets seee

[distant lagoon]

Someone got used to op stuff lmao

[stable cypress]

Don't even fucking joke about it we already have rumbler to put up with

[distant lagoon]

Not surprising

[misty nova]

I mean

[distant lagoon]

YES PLEASE

[misty nova]

Arby's have gl

[stable cypress]

Yeah stagger thp is fine now, you even get pity thp on kill

[distant lagoon]

Btw, anyone else IS NOT excited or Arbites?

[delicate shadow]

idk why people are complaining about the stagger thp changes, you still get shitloads of thp

[frosty herald]

Give arbites a vengeance launcher

[heady rapids]

gen chat isnt

[placid fiber]

trollhammer is, unironically, WAY more single target... It's probably closer to the grenade gauntlet imo for aoe damage

[heady rapids]

12$ is outrageous

arobbery

fatshark took my wife and kids

[stable cypress]

Just not full health for one shield bash

[heady rapids]

and now they want me to buy the dlc

[frosty herald]

My only gripe is having to farm curios for arbites

[heady rapids]

fuck

i really hope they rework curios

[frosty herald]

That road to 30 is going to be rough

[distant lagoon]

I find it interesting that newest class in Rogue Trader also arbitres

[heady rapids]

i know they wouldnt

not a chance

[delicate shadow]

but then again one dude I was chatting to also thinks grail knight is underpowered so y'know

[stable cypress]

It's in a game where its competing with fucking crossbows annd flintlocks

[placid fiber]

It needed nerfed, let's be honest. It was at pretty stupid levels <.<

[delicate shadow]

these people ain't splitting the atom

[heady rapids]

we hadtwocollabs with them

recently

[distant lagoon]

I only can conclude that GW is pushing it to popularise some Arbites-related mini

[heady rapids]

recent-ish

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-rdr2-arthur-morgan-confused-wtf-gif-16103884

[heady rapids]

oh yeah probably true

good catch

[plush estuary]

did someone say trolldrengi?

[stable cypress]

Ban them

[distant lagoon]

Don't forget awful leveling

[frosty herald]

Leveling my ogryn last was miserable

People in malice are so bad

[heady rapids]

10 hours of running twins skip

and killing yourself

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-cat-chinese-tole-tole-cat-chinese-tole-cat-china-cat-cat-gif-18130320169200006773

[frosty herald]

Ill just do a 4 man squad with friends and rush damnation 30

[distant lagoon]

Literally harder to carry than Auric Damnation

[heady rapids]

at least i can get all weps at 20

[distant lagoon]

I easily do those

[placid fiber]

wait you can get dlc weapons now in the caches?

[distant lagoon]

But i can't carry people on Malice

[plush estuary]

yes

since versus

[distant lagoon]

it is way beyond my skill

[frosty herald]

@spare talon were gonna do a 4 stack arbites lvl 1 damnation

[placid fiber]

Sad... because I already have 1 of every single weapon as red, including the necromancer ones I just got

[frosty herald]

Or heresy whatever is the hardest diff

[heady rapids]

8

its an 8 stack

[placid fiber]

The only ones I was missing when versus came out was necormancer ones, since I didn't have the necromancer dlc then. I had went and opened all of my lootboxes until I got enough red dust to upgrade every dlc weapon to red(besides necro, but, I left myself with 9 red dust as well)

[median steeple]

brain so rotted I thought this was JD vance

[frosty herald]

Estranged niece of jd vance

[placid fiber]

You just have to have 500 rated weapons, and build them for both hard carrying and surviving with a build that has less/no good things x.x

[frosty herald]

The only thing i need to survive in malice is the boredom

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[placid fiber]

closes eyes for 2 seconds due to being bored
trapper fires net while your hands are off of the keyboard and mouse

the 3 randos get instantly ledged

[violet hornet]

I kinda wish we had an emoji of some reject just netted on the ground

[plush estuary]

YEAH COLE

*&caps

[sullen forge]

Ain’t built for these malice missions son

[tawny harbor]

This is me, sitting pretty in coherence with my team, if you even care.

[hexed igloo]

Snug as a bug in a rug

[misty nova]

Lack of fire

And gas

And burster diving

They got metaphor on the game pass

[sullen forge]

Me when someone leaves coherency for a nano second

[plush estuary]

my fav qoute

"you were everywhere but coherency ainz"

also the guy who told me how to play

[sullen forge]

Why aren’t you in coherency Ainz….

[gaunt meadow]

what the fuck is err'ing exactly

[hexed igloo]

Error

[violet hornet]

If err is that bad imagine what they do for erm or umm

[hexed igloo]

Does everyone forget Google exists

[stable cypress]

Fuck google

[plush estuary]

please do not the google

[frosty herald]

He was throwing

[sullen forge]

Noob…

[hexed igloo]

Throwing it back

[acoustic dune]

@clever swan imma go catch some z now

[clever swan]

[hexed igloo]

Oh yea @frosty herald what you think of the new attachments for hd

[acoustic dune]

thanks gamer

https://tenor.com/view/heart-shape-heart-sign-jason-momoa-love-heart-hands-gif-24999347

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah I know how to kill the ships. I bring a stalwart, throw it on max rpm, bring the shields down with it, and drop an eruptor shot through the door. Just saying that it takes 3 shots if you don't do anything else to a ship, including the round in the door.

[hexed igloo]

Real ones just put a thermite on the roof

For some reason it burns through the shields and blows it

[ripe quest]

demolition moment

[ripe quest]

me when someone doesn't run overload + heatsink on relic blade

[hexed igloo]

When I don't have thermites my preferred method is a strafing run to break shields then an xbow shot into the door

[frosty herald]

Takes way too long to unlock them

I saw the curve and on diff 7 thats an unbearable grind

[hexed igloo]

To be fair they're comically strong for negating recoil

But getting it to like 15 is good enough, you get the vert grip + compensator

[frosty herald]

I use the dominator and a foregrip helps alot

[winter oxide]

new tech?

[ripe quest]

angled grip + muzzle break is unironically great for the sway reduction and horizontal recoil reduction.

[hexed igloo]

My adjudicator shoots almost as flat as the sickle it's insane

[ripe quest]

great on adjudicator and diligence

[hexed igloo]

I don't give a shit about sway or ergo

Not many of the guns have more than minimal horizontal recoil so

[frosty herald]

The attachements are a bit lackluster tho

No ammo types

No surpressors (even though theyve been datamined)

[hexed igloo]

Ammo types would be cool, even if staying within baseline type, like slug/buck/incin

So like hp slugs/00 buck/whatever

[frosty herald]

Slugs giving medium would be cool

[hexed igloo]

With exceptions like energy/dedicated armor pen weapons

[hexed igloo]

Slugger already has medium

[ripe quest]

Sway reduction is pretty baller.

[hexed igloo]

I mean like slugger only gets slugs, normal shotgun only gets pellet, incin only gets incin

Allowing say the punisher to take slugs/incin, you may as well delete the cookout and slugger

Same with breaker

[frosty herald]

I want to use the breaker without being gimped

Slugger has very high stagger

[primal scroll]

I want the same but for the bolt gun/pistol. Give me acid rounds, extreme armorpiercing, extra shrapnell, hell, lets go the destroyer route and add poisoned, radiated and phosphex-esque shells in there. Let me commit some warcrimes goshdamnit

[hexed igloo]

So does the punisher

You can stunlock hive captains with it lmao

Stalkers too

Sidegrades should keep their differences

Should probably put out a slug breaker tho

[frosty herald]

Slug breaker small mag ironsights foregrip

[hexed igloo]

My take - give slug weapons slug types

• give incin weapons incin types
  -regular guns regular types

Keeps sidegrades, let's you use different ammo

[hard nexus]

no bayonets.

even though hd1 had so many of them

and they were super useful

a bayonet that let us one shot all trash enemies would be so nice

melee weapons in general feel bad to use though

due to how hd2 handles damage and hitboxes

[obsidian prairie]

Liberator had a bayonet (and looked better)

[placid fiber]

lol I took 69 damage this last run

[hard nexus]

real!!!! the old liberators looked sooo much better

i miss the liberator justice

(which became the penetrator i guess)

[obsidian prairie]

Justice was just a straight upgrade

[hard nexus]

not really

[hard nexus]

not when the carbine existed

75 round magazine

[hard nexus]

i also miss the paragon

[placid fiber]

gun go brrrr

[hard nexus]

poison bullets my beloved

[obsidian prairie]

I don't think I upgraded the carbine

[hard nexus]

patriot

[hard nexus]

yah it had a 75 round magazine at max upgrades

the patriot was meta iirc

[obsidian prairie]

Trident staring at you

[hard nexus]

also true

[hard nexus]

i wish hd2 laser guns actually sounded like lasers

LIKE THEY DID IN HD1!!!!

GUH

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah they made them slightly better at some point but like

They sound way better in the first game

[hard nexus]

true !

[obsidian prairie]

So does the music for everything except extraction

[hard nexus]

also why do lasers have A PROJECTILE

i know it’s fast but

hitscan is clearly doable

because railguns are hitscan

[obsidian prairie]

Sickle is just a heat rifle

Not a laser

[hard nexus]

it’s a pulse laser

[obsidian prairie]

You can tell because it has no laser weapon upgrades

[hard nexus]

it doesn’t fire a projectile

[obsidian prairie]

I'm saying it feels like a gun

[hard nexus]

it’s the same with the quasar

[hard nexus]

yah

but it should feel like a LASER gun

[obsidian prairie]

Instead of a laser

What compelled them to give Scythe upgrades and not Sickle

[hard nexus]

swedish game dev demons

they got fatshark too

[obsidian prairie]

I largely don't care anymore because

[hard nexus]

lmfao

real ‘

!!

i just want

railcannon strike

to have a 70 second cooldown

[obsidian prairie]

I reinstalled for the event then uninstalled when I realized it still wasn't fun

[hard nexus]

lmfao

real

[obsidian prairie]

And they added even more fucking grind

[hard nexus]

what you don’t like spending 40 games searching for samples for only ONE UPGRADE

[obsidian prairie]

And the faction additions to illuminates fixed zero of the issues

[hard nexus]

humblebee in hd2 when

[obsidian prairie]

REAL

My beloved

[placid fiber]

Welp, I'm still poor... but I have a work in progress fund for the arbiter when it comes out >.>

[hard nexus]

they’re still so boring lmfao

and leviathans are just annoying

[clever swan]

darktide is for sure a better game than hd2 but hd2 has the aesthetics and features that makes modern gamers squeal (le wacky ragdolls/physics)

[obsidian prairie]

And they still eat shit and die to the starter machinegun

[ripe quest]

They don't have sickle upgrades finished.

[obsidian prairie]

(not like old illuminates didn't but they underwent militarization I would expect heavy armor)

[obsidian prairie]

I love dropping half complete systems

[ripe quest]

I mean, with how they have it setup it wouldn't be "complete" unless they finished several hundred attachments and map several handfuls of them to each weapon, there's no reason to delay the attachment system just to do that.

[hard nexus]

fleshmobs have wayyy too much health, to the point where it’s basically required to have a purifier, crossbow, or eruptor

leviathans just existing and being so annoying

[hard nexus]

darktide reference!!!!!

[ripe quest]

You can also just take a normal DPS weapon. It's only 6k health and they're unarmored.

[ornate bone]

Your poor? I have 10k plasteel and 0 diamante so I can’t even upgrade anything

[hard nexus]

mm dumping 3 mags into one to kill it

exhilarating

damage sponge enemies aren’t fun to fight

[ripe quest]

Using a nebulous bad weapon to argue the poor performance of high DPS weapons is silly smh

[hard nexus]

a what

[clever swan]

he's saying you aren't being specific enough because he believes it is possible to kill em goodly

[ripe quest]

3 mags of what weapon are you using to kill a Fleshmob.

[hard nexus]

my point is that a enemy that has no weak point and just requires mag dumping instead of any actual engaging way to kill is just boring

[ripe quest]

Because there are absolutely weapons that suck for them but it's like any faction where you take something meant to counter them, Fleshmobs have a weakness to DPS weapons in addition to explosions, latter is already taken for the faction usually.

[hard nexus]

harvesters have leg weakspots, hulks have their backs and eyes, you can disable bug commanders so they’re slower and bleed out while you run

[ripe quest]

They also got the 2x fire damage mult but that varies in performance.

[hard nexus]

the support flamethrower doesn’t have enough range imo

the crisper and torcher r fine

but the support weapon really could do with further range

[median steeple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971904116144095292/1298312105069514812/media-iv-text.gif

[hard nexus]

i shouldn’t have to be basically in a horde to hit them

[ripe quest]

ye the support weapon flamer could def use an undoing of the 60 day mechanic rework and a range increase. What we have is doing like a third of the damage of the EOF flamethrower.

[hard nexus]

i also want a backpack flame thrower

we really could use support weapons with backpacks intergrated

like a belt fed backpack machine gun

and a backpack flamethrower

i also want satchel charges from hd1 back

and i want heavy armor to

be useful

let us shrug off chaff attacks in heavy armor

[merry flume]

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[mighty root]

Mid divers

I sleep

Helldivers is a cool concept tho I’d like to see darktide have something like it

[placid fiber]

tfw you have -4hp

[plush estuary]

failed havoc 40 duo

50min

[misty nova]

I aspire to this level of martyrdom maxxing

True 7 stacks

[grizzled aspen]

This would be HUGE.

[placid fiber]

Hm... the dueling sword has access to shred... I wonder if with shred I would have enough crit to proc invocation of death on a build without piety on it...

[grizzled aspen]

riposte

[placid fiber]

Tru

[sterile stone]

Can't you just toss a thermite on them and go about your day?

[hearty nebula]

playing with my friend who's new to the game and this guy pipes up

cry about it pookie

xo

[hexed igloo]

Heavy armor should just permanently have unflinching

[placid fiber]

So, frog, how cursed does this talent tree look for a ds with riposte/shred? >.>

[hexed igloo]

I'd like for it to have specific areas of say class3 armor, so if you take small arms fire to say rhe chest it deflects

It'd make heavy armor way more worth it to take

[grizzled aspen]

I think you could drop twbs and dod, take the other martyr node and anoint, and use flamer for your ranged choice with no issues.

[hexed igloo]

As it is just running in circles is way better than having somewhat more def

[placid fiber]

The other marty node isn't needed since I have enduring faith... and also I have both of those cuz I want them >.>'

[grizzled aspen]

Alternatively you could run whatever ranged you want and use the point you could use on anoint for 2nd chastise.

[placid fiber]

I know I can drop twbs, I just like having it

cough and it helps when randos don't defend you well on the minigame things

Still the things you pointed out were good suggestions, none the less. :3

[storm egret]

would a duelling sword MK II with bad stats be better than a assault chainsword

I finally got one but the stats are meh

[placid fiber]

Oh by bad stats I thought you meant it was rated like 350

that would probably do better than a chain-axe... but that's because the dueling sword is busted

also you can change the mark if your mastery is high enough, in case you don't know

[storm egret]

ya i dont have mastery this is the first one i have ever got

[woeful pecan]

How valuable is TWBS currently? I thought it lost a lot of its use cases when they removed stuns from gunners

[placid fiber]

That would do quite well for leveling mastery at the very least

[misty ravine]

On one hand, never ever dump finesse
On the other hand, if you already have it and you're new, might as well use it, you don't need a maxed out weapon yet. I just wouldn't put resources into that

[storm egret]

ok so dont change the blessing or perks just lvl it

[placid fiber]

Gunners don't stagger you anymore, it is useful for quality of life and when you're doing the cogitator minigames. Outside of weapons that use heavies for horde clear(and chain weapons sometimes) it is optional tho

[misty ravine]

Perks maybe, I forget what it costs. Replacement Blessings you won't have anyways if you're still leveling mastery

[placid fiber]

If you try to use the mk2 relic blade or the thammer without twbs... you're in for pain >.>'

[storm egret]

thx guys

[placid fiber]

It at least is useable for leveling mastery from 0 x.x

wait can the ds special action stagger muties? The one in the meatgrinder staggered back when I got a headshot with it

Idk why you would need to do that since you can 1 shot it, but, I've almost never used the dueling sword's special >.>

[ripe quest]

Yeah but that's wasteful.

[dense escarp]

Do you think the thammer is good? Honestly question BC I've been using it all day and I hate the feel of it

[analog ember]

it's meh, been power creeped by relic blade

tho tbf, most weapons have that issue

[dense escarp]

Relic blade is stupidly good

I'd rather everything got buffed than RB nerfed tho BC it's fun af to use

[delicate shadow]

line goes up

[ripe quest]

Stellar for tenderizing boss meat, pretty meh at crowd damage. Easy to build around, if you like it you like it.

[obsidian prairie]

I love power creep I love power creep I love power creep I love power creep I love power creep I love power creep

[ripe quest]

Chaxe is a fun alternative if you want single target but for flak/cara instead of unyielding. Mk XV Evis if you want a 2h version of it.

[clever swan]

power creep is actually kinda epic ngl

they just gotta power creep the enemies too

[dense escarp]

Fun > balance imo

[clever swan]

though with enough power creep the game will lose its identity so it's not without limit

[ripe quest]

cole are you still dclaw inclined I gotta update my chart

[spare talon]

Darktide is at its most fun when you're not trivializing everything though

[ripe quest]

it's been a year cole it needs to be revamped

[dense escarp]

Exactly I just wanna hit things with the funny hammer and have it not feel weak

[clever swan]

should add a "associated quotes" column and put in some epic discord (or other) quotes that are hilarious but related to the weapon in question

[spare talon]

I'm not actually, it's still fun but another weapon has taken my melee slot for months

[ripe quest]

Aight which one is it, and list all of the tech you know about it so I can judge you

[obsidian prairie]

Tac axe

Shush its actually good we aren't pretending it is

[ripe quest]

what'd they do to it that makes it good

[misty nova]

[obsidian prairie]

Bromentum

And innate crit

[misty nova]

In fact it got worse

Now without brutal it stops at 2 walkers

[ripe quest]

I mean like did they do anything to it between like a year ago and now. BM megabuffed everything that has it on Zel and it already had innate crit

but it was a bit like, bad

[misty nova]

If the attack has 3 cleave that is

[spare talon]

Taxe mk7
Pa>h1 loop for group clear, h1>l2 for stamina efficient group clear
Special to stagger literally anything
Heavies/PAs to stagger ragers and maulers out of any attack
Long enough block window during PA that psyker is super safe with kinetic deflection spamming PA

[ripe quest]

caxe was baller

[misty nova]

Taxe has 1.5 to 3

[ripe quest]

Aight I'm getting hints of stamina preference here. What's the story behind it being seen as good now

[royal vortex]

we need to go back to old bm where it just gave infinite cleave

[ripe quest]

I've heard from others and the main reason I hear is PA weapons but that isn't really something that needs stam on zel

[spare talon]

It takes a little more effort offensively than caxe but is way safer cuz of its push integration in its attacks and it's innate heavy impact, plus super high mobility
Not to mention it can make use of all zealots busted crit stuff with no investment

[obsidian prairie]

Or you can take left piety and eat sand

[ripe quest]

Wait no way I was a hipster for crit builds

[spare talon]

It's also still more a cult thing
Wider playerbase still thinks it's dogshit, when in reality it's pretty good up to auric when used right

[ripe quest]

BM/Shred on Caxe/Taxe with piety was smth I ran as a meme build when I last played

[obsidian prairie]

BM/Headtaker would have made it good

[royal vortex]

ur only a real hipster (me) if you were shilling tknives (me) when everyone in zealot chat hated them

[spare talon]

Taxe doesn't really need shred, not when headtaker exists

[ripe quest]

agri railgun build loved throwing knives so I loved them too

[spare talon]

Plus you can now take stalwart piety and pair it with good balance and have functionally like 80% dr

[misty nova]

Taxe also has one of the best blocks in the game

For some reason

[ripe quest]

blocks are pretty overrated in DT though

[misty nova]

Well yes

Still

[royal vortex]

they're just like the coolest blitz gameplay wise and only assail really comes close

but u dont aim assail

so u dont get swag points

[misty nova]

The dinky one handed axe has better blocks than the big 2h weapons

💀

[ripe quest]

well like if they didn't have blessing smuggling I'd never use them except on flamer

[dense escarp]

Does anyone actually use the perfect block perks

[spare talon]

Stalwart having the 25% tdr and +2.5% toughness on melee kill when piety is active is pretty nice cuz you already have 12% from taxe so all your crit talents don't need piety to work, so you don't need the self sustain/bonus crit branch or a crit blessing

[placid fiber]

The only time they are slightly less overrated is when you're picking someone up/untying someone...

[royal vortex]

they tried to somewhat balance the lower base stam on some of the tiny 1h weapons by giving them better block cost

this scales in really unhinged ways with additional stamina

the question does remain: what are you blocking that requires that much stamina

[ripe quest]

yeah but like you don't even need good block stats for that

[placid fiber]

Marty taxe build when, Cole?

[royal vortex]

the answers are not very good

[placid fiber]

[spare talon]

Never

[placid fiber]

Good

[ripe quest]

crusher overhead

[royal vortex]

if you get 15 stamina bars you can block overheads its true

[ripe quest]

so you can kinda bootstrap a martyr TDR build but with crit weapons, leaning into Duellist for damage output?

sounds pretty aight

[ripe quest]

maybe I should spec my OG Chaxe build into +stam on everything so I can facetank 1 (one) crusher

because then I can counter attack with my SA and turn them into paste. It's like a 13s rotation it'll be meta

It'll truly rival the heatsink + overload RB

[winter oxide]

0 corruption?

[royal vortex]

i lied. i'm sorry

[green yacht]

yes

[ripe quest]

jorbog my buildcrafting relies on you being truthful, I'm going to yell at fatshark for you lying!!!!

[royal vortex]

[spare talon]

Pretty much looks like this
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d542ea0-2eca-412b-979e-a74c9d3ede8b/left-click-lobotomite-immortal

[obsidian prairie]

Tac axe actually doing cara damage on vet is weird

[spare talon]

It's actually insane how the taxe is secretly an anti rager weapon

[analog ember]

but but dclaw

[spare talon]

In addition to just being a crit generalist

[analog ember]

tfw taxe is a better rager killer than dclaw

[spare talon]

That can deal damage to everything

[spare talon]

Who eats a block of raw cheese

Only cica would
Freak

[obsidian prairie]

I was going to say thats a taco but I have no idea what it is

[ripe quest]

Why do you have stam regen and why do you not have desperation if it's a PA melee build.

[placid fiber]

me >.>

I love cheese...

[spare talon]

Desperation stinky

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/kasane-kasane-teto-pear-teto-meme-teto-gif-15508163395299560194

[spare talon]

Tbh all the other damage buffs you have are enough to kill things when using push attacks, desperation won't change that considering it's riding off of breakpoints in those situations
And when the damage bonus would be useful is when you'd be just using lights, like against crushers or bosses, so it'd be something you'd have to go out of your way and proc

[void bison]

I could demolish a block of cheese if I truly desired

but it would probably have to be one of my favorite kinds or something

[spare talon]

So that point can just be better spent elsewhere for something more reliable
(Also stam breaks suck, it's why kinetic deflection is a must if you're running taxe psyker)

[visual stream]

Makes sense

[visual stream]

Hate stam breaks

[spare talon]

Why is that a 🪤 @ripe quest

[copper hawk]

U disagree w the oracle

U fool

No one disagreez w the oracle

[modern lintel]

ur just not a real cheesemonger

[carmine falcon]

good video

[ripe quest]

free damage is free damage and can be built around. On PA weapons it's always reliable, esp Taxe which uses it for the horde rotation on some variants.

[spare talon]

It's just not as useful in most cases cuz you're 1-2 shotting everything, and no in between cuz of bm, and still poses the risk of being hit once during the push and you're now stam broken

I just don't think that damage bonus is worth both the talent point cost, and the risk of a break

[grizzled aspen]

I would, and have.

Cheese is good asf.

[grizzled aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[delicate shadow]

unhinged shit

[misty nova]

(except the soviets)

[delicate shadow]

how to get your shit kicked in by the myriad slavic diaspora in one easy step

also there would be few, if any, axis vets in Australia anyway

hell there's only like 3000 allied vets living in Australia atm

they be OLD yo

[grizzled aspen]

Real talk though extra sharp cheddar cheese goes down like it aint even there.

I can make a 1lb block disappear in less than 10 minutes.

[mighty root]

Always needed if your doing melee psyker ngl

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/ao-oni-fat-dog-asylum-rejects-ao-oni-gif-11554817413954437450

I love being a chud

[misty ravine]

Does darktide run like dogshit lately for anyone else

[modern lintel]

its been kinda choppy past like 2 or 3 days

[sullen forge]

@copper hawk Got a video for you

[copper hawk]

Yep lmfao

[copper hawk]

Jesus christ

Why are you just eating pounds of cheese

[visual stream]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kobW6OHGF43BddzOh?invite=cr-MSwzbm8sNDA1NDMwNDgz

[median steeple]

bulking.....

[copper hawk]

With cheese ???

[median steeple]

yeah....

[visual stream]

W

[jolly sandal]

What are good mellee weaps for a Zealot

[plush estuary]

whats "good" in your definition?

because you can win with all weapons

[jolly sandal]

If theres like a weapon tier list of some sort, cuz i saw the vet channel doing something like that

And I didn't wanna spend too much time on a weapon if it doesnt really work in higher difficulties

[plush estuary]

I can make 1

30sec

[ripe quest]

You can make pretty much anything work if you like the weapon enough.

[plush estuary]

Relic Peak

evis decent/good

boom

done

dont mind the vet weapons

[ripe quest]

Crusher not even mentioned lmao

[plush estuary]

fuck

forgot

[misty nova]

Except the Xiiig is low key op on Zealot

Love that thing

[north sedge]

Crusher is just bad hammer

[plush estuary]

ur mom

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-bait-troll-majin-vegeta-silly-gif-1044178863794935895

[north sedge]

My mom is just bad hammer

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-muscle-man-my-mom-you-know-who-else-i-know-someone-that-can-help-gif-15152184816777855237

[visual stream]

Does the ritual totem heal enemies or something?

[plush estuary]

same amount as a purple enemy in havoc

2k per tick

or something

[visual stream]

Oh that explains it

"Why the fuck are you not dying"

[placid fiber]

... I'm getting more consistent at getting the mk10 relic blade's push attack through a bulwark shield

[misty ravine]

The one Fatshark said they fixed

[placid fiber]

It seems to be more consistent when I am towards the left side of the shield, around here and while I am moving forward

Lemme see if I can get this recording short enough to showcase it more and still upload it at 480p

[hollow meteor]

Bulwarks just need the Payday shield banging sound effect for maximum PTSD

[remote wasp]

grab a crusher

[hard nexus]

mk15 decent

not the mk3

[plush estuary]

mk3 good

[hard nexus]

it is not good

at all

it’s outclassed in every way by most other weapons

[drifting wolf]

heartbreaking

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis struggles to kill the most plentiful melee elites

dreg ragers

[hollow meteor]

You're decent

[hard nexus]

mk3 is great against flak

it feels how it should

but it suffers 300% hitmass, and a third of the damage, against maniac

it meets better scab bruiser clear by aiming for the torsos rather than the head

[sullen forge]

Remember Ainz played pre-buff Shredder Pistol

[hard nexus]

the UNARMORED HEAD

[drifting wolf]

what's the current hierarchy of melee weapons on zealot looking like anyways

[sullen forge]

DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN

[hard nexus]

i did too a few times

it really just needed a flak buff

and it would’ve been fine

the finesse buff was fine too

[hard nexus]

yah apparently

[placid fiber]

Okay I started getting it around here. but, I had to cut a lot out of the overall testing(it was towards this section where I was figuring out where to aim at on the bulwark's shield). I did testing vs aggored bulwarks as well and around that same area it would get through(It's just better to wait for them to attack tho lol)

[hard nexus]

idk how someone can look at the evis ADMs and tell me it’s good

[hard nexus]

relic blade, ds4 are extremely OP and ur best options on every build

then youve got rashad, knife

[placid fiber]

"They're at least better than the mk1 dclaw's" or smthing like that...

[hard nexus]

lmfao

true

[misty nova]

Ds4
Relic Blade
Knoife

Everything else

[hard nexus]

then a little below knife is tac axe