zealot-class

[ripe quest]

I'm the reason people have stats on the new enemies so I did my part (I will now go retire for 29 years)

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-salute-gif-8108032990738097175

[grizzled aspen]

A helldiver, assuming a man, is probably about 200lbs, carrying a liberator, prob 6lbs, and another 8 mags, each prob 2lbs a piece (42 bullets), plus a pistol, 6 mags for that, and any support weapon/backpack combo.

[sterile stone]

Ex have you tried the new armor buff

[grizzled aspen]

Not even mentioning their armor.

And they run around like crackheads.

[sterile stone]

Seen people run around with shield and sword just curb stomping overseers

[grizzled aspen]

There's just a lot of weight thrown onto a helldiver. Makes me think they are either the peakest of peak fitness (unlikely bc their average age is 19) or they're genetically engineered.

[solar gorge]

see you in 5 months

there is a minimum height

so i guess they pretty fit

also the crack cocaine helps

[ripe quest]

Yeah and it's pretty alright. Went from literally the most useless passive ever to a bit of Siege Ready and a bit of Peak Physique and still the worst armor passive perk ever.

[frosty herald]

Surprised you havent been banned yet since they wanted to go scorched eart on everything and even ban spreadsheets

[sterile stone]

Now that you mention it, the helldiver heavy armor I couldn't imagine a regular trooper doing full on sprints in while carrying a auto cannon , a primary, and a secondary.

[grizzled aspen]

See, that's exactly what I'm getting at.

It's way too much weight.

[sterile stone]

That's easily like 100lbs worth of gear.

[ripe quest]

I talked about that with a CM and made a compromise. Ever since spreadsheets are fine.

[grizzled aspen]

Not even considering the autocannon, you're wearing that shit in your hellpod.

That's easily 100+lbs of gear exerting inertia on your body on impact.

[solar gorge]

they have the technology

don't think about it

[sterile stone]

Now imagine having to go up hill in a blizzard

Or on a desert planet

[grizzled aspen]

While being shot at.

And bombarded.

And your teammate stuck a 500kg to your shield.

[solar gorge]

Don't wanna be a dork but do you know if the saber actually has more cleave than the axe ?

[grizzled aspen]

Speaking of, if you get stuck with a blue stratagem on your personal shield, drop the fucking thing.

Whatever stratagem that is, it WILL track you.

[solar gorge]

idon't even know if there's a stat for that

[grizzled aspen]

Red stratagem drop wherever they initially marked so its fine if they stick to you, but blue ones arc the hellpod to be more accurate.

[sterile stone]

If I see a walking 380 anywhere near me I just chalk that up to me dying

There's no way I'm making it out that kill field.

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah 380 is death.

You can literally waltz out of a 500kg blast radius just fine.

But if a 380 lands anywhere within like 30ft of you, you're cooked.

[solar gorge]

500kg's dmg zone is aggressively cone shaped

so it's easier to get low and live

[grizzled aspen]

Its like it's meant to kill only harvesters and bile titans.

[plush estuary]

guh

[solar gorge]

it kills p much anything now

[grizzled aspen]

Huge waste to use it on harvesters though.

[sterile stone]

I saw a guy senator a BT to death

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-maintenance-tuesday-hop-off-gif-7582098353938943568

[grizzled aspen]

You can literally take one out with any heavy pen in like 3 seconds once the shield is down.

[ripe quest]

All of the melee weapons have effectively unlimited cleave. So much so that they don't have to worry about armor stop, so it'll hit unarmored hitboxes that are protected by 4+ AV hitboxes.

[solar gorge]

you can in theory, kill one with the starting pistol now

[heady rapids]

@stone fern

[ripe quest]

This is misinfo that has been disproven for over a year now.

[stone fern]

WRONG

BLOCKED

[solar gorge]

i knew about the armour thing but I always felt like the axe stopped after hitting one thing

I might be dumb or blind, or both

I haven't played with it enough

[sterile stone]

AS close as we're gonna get to proper commisar drip

[heady rapids]

at least the armor is kinda good now

for the price of not being able to do stratagem inputs and getting another reload bug

i've also read that they broke the sights but idk bout that

[solar gorge]

i haven't noticed any problem with the sights and p sure they actually broke the strat input because they fixed the reload bug

somehow

[hard nexus]

medium pen actually

MMG their leg joints by their main body

and they die fast

[round echo]

Yo if someone start disrespecting me in Vc and I talk back will I get banned

[hard nexus]

depends

did you call them a slur

[round echo]

No people just be acting like they him cuz I’m lvl 19

[hard nexus]

just ignore them

[round echo]

Ppl be cocky

[hard nexus]

if someone's giving you shit for being level 19 then they probably suck

just dont bother engaging with them

[stone fern]

dont say anything homophobic racist or tell them to self kill and everything else should be fine

[round echo]

Ye no slurs and shit

[ripe quest]

Just say or type "womp womp" and they'll explode.

[frosty herald]

Just say yo mama

[grizzled aspen]

Like the actual ball joint is medium pen?

[hard nexus]

the joint that connects the leg to the main body

[grizzled aspen]

I've just been aiming for the bit of leg between the body and the ball joint with heavy pen.

[sterile stone]

You can't report people for being arrogant assholes.

Best you can do is pray they get launched off a map or get pinned by a dog

And rage quit when no one helps them.

[ripe quest]

Shoot the hip joint connecting their legs to their body or the feet. Feet are ideal but harder to hit sometimes.

[hard nexus]

this part

on all 3 legs

[plush estuary]

pener

[hard nexus]

LMAO

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah that ain't medium pen, ain't no way.

[hard nexus]

not intentional

[plush estuary]

lmao

[hard nexus]

it absolutely is

lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

My fuckin eruptor glances off that.

[stone fern]

i once held two dead people hostage until they apologized

[delicate shadow]

oh my god it's the tripods from war of the worlds

[ripe quest]

It's 3 AV. Lib Pen, MG, Dominator, etc damage it at 65% damage.

[stone fern]

i refused to ress either

[hard nexus]

MG105 can kill it

with ease

[grizzled aspen]

So... why does my eruptor ricochet?

[hard nexus]

its less than half a mag

skill issue id guess

[grizzled aspen]

Shit urself.

[sullen forge]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kn9Yd5OOX9pBZLcxW?invite=cr-MSxJeWcsMTA3NDAxNTcz

[grizzled aspen]

Meanie.

[ripe quest]

Eruptor's direct hit is 4 AP, which doesn't ricochet on anything on the Harvester unless it is an 80+ degree hit. If you exploit the shrapnel rework, you can get a 3 shot fairly consistently.

[delicate shadow]

need a helldriver training montage to this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnzkhQsmSag

[grizzled aspen]

I guess I've just been at just the right angle every time for it to skip off the bastard.

Good to know that medium pen can actually kill them though.

Now what's the trick for overseers? Just been brute forcing them mostly.

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/brutal-metal-metalocalypse-dethklok-nathan-gif-9219183

[ripe quest]

You may be seeing the shrapnel glance off, which can def happen given how many spawn. It'll look like a projectile ricocheting.

[grizzled aspen]

Either 2 taps with eruptor or get real close with max rpm stalwart and blast them.

[grizzled aspen]

Nah I see the round go off into orbit lmao, it definitely skips off when I shoot at them. We can chalk it up to an angle issue then.

[ripe quest]

Overseers have 2 kill methods, their head which is 150 health at 3 AV, and main. Main can be killed through a number of ways, status effects and explosions damage it directly. If you just shoot it, the armor has 20% to main so you'll lose a lot of damage if you hit the armor. Ideally you shoot a leg but it's often easier to just focus the torso if you have a 2 AP weapon.

[grizzled aspen]

They only have 150hp to their head?

So, what, a diligence counter sniper can 2tap them?

[ripe quest]

With the recent fire changes, Overseers take 100 DPS and they only have 600 health on their main health. Fire lasts 3s but will often drop the last tick, so stuff like Scythe and Torcher are fine for applying consistent damage. Scorcher will 5 shot them, W.A.S.P. will 1 shot and can home in. Lots of options available.

[ripe quest]

Yeah. Deadeye, Slugger, Dominator, Senator, Eruptor, and AMR 1 shot the head with reasonable efficiency. HMG can but you need to dive forward to hit the breakpoint.

[sterile stone]

What's the most effective way to down those weird centipede ships?

[solar gorge]

saber's moveset is just better to swing in crowds that's how I gaslit myself into thinking it had better cleave all is clear now

[ornate bone]

Which mark is this?

[stray summit]

the good one

the first one

the only one

[ornate bone]

I wanted to mastery my C axes but I wasn’t sure if it was worth the headache lol

[stray summit]

The answer is to use the good one (cleaving heavies, shredding lights) and use slaughterer and headtaker

[ripe quest]

The real answer is to completely avoid them, they're a massive waste of ammo. For if you just have AT, shoot fresh hitboxes with each shot (overflow damage is wasted due to their stats). RR can 5 shot. Railgun can kill in like 16 shots or smth but like lol.

If you really want a fast kill, you'd use RR to shoot some armor off, it'll reveal a glowing blue area. Shoot it with a 4 AP weapon until it dies. HMG emplacement is really strong for this. You got 15k health to churn through.

[grizzled aspen]

Anti tank emplacement also exists.

I've seen it bring a leviathan down in like 6 shots.

[sterile stone]

Can't the rocket pods kill it fast?

[solar gorge]

It won't stay in range long enough most of the time

if you meant the sentry

[slate void]

Pick one shot and laser focus on it
Spreading the damage around allows their armor to absorb more
Chest is easiest

[grizzled aspen]

Manned emplacement, like you are the one shooting it.

Manned emplacements are quite good in Super Earth defense missions because there's a good chance you can use them multiple times.

[solar gorge]

In response to Args

[ripe quest]

Not really. Strafing Run and Gatling Barrage would be the best options for a stratagem vs. a Leviathan. But you need really good stratagem placement as stuff doesn't target flying enemies well at all.

[placid leaf]

Destroy one of the smaller wings(they have the least amout of HP) and shoot a couple of rounds in the blue meaty thingy that gets visible right after
Autocannon mech is amazing at killing it

[solar gorge]

bc if he was mentionning eagle rocket pods p sure they're ass

[slate void]

Also Overseers have armor gaps in the crotch area if you're using a rifle

It's not efficient but it's funny

[solar gorge]

can you kill a leviathan with a single strafing run or was the clip i saw misleading

if everything connects perfectly

[slate void]

You can but it has to line up perfectly

[solar gorge]

i'd test it but eagle strats in the mega city tileset are finicky

[slate void]

Meaning you'll never pull it off unless you spent the whole game trying and get really lucky

[solar gorge]

just wanted to know cuz there's a lot of clips of ppl claiming X Y Z when the leviathan wasn't actually full jhp

[slate void]

If you really want to get rid of them, your best chance is with SPEARs

[solar gorge]

p sure rr is better

[heady rapids]

rr is a million times better

you can also do it with wasp but it will take a shitload of ammo

good thing its pretty abundant in cities

[sterile basalt]

Nala cantra or smth
Forgot

[slate void]

RR takes more shots

[solar gorge]

don't do it with wasp

[slate void]

SPEARs kill in 6 shots, iirc RR is 7-8

[solar gorge]

rr is 5

[sterile basalt]

I will probably just add the entire zealot guide into it at some point

[slate void]

You cannot kill a Leviathan in one RR backpack lol

[solar gorge]

spreadsheet lord said so

[sterile basalt]

Because ainz’s guide is still pretty surface level

[north sedge]

You can

[heady rapids]

whats the point in using spear again

[sterile stone]

Turn brain off and lock on weapon

It's got a ease of use to it.

[solar gorge]

none cuz rr is overtuned to hell and back

[heady rapids]

and then watch it arc over the target

gotcha

[visual stream]

Because zealot is pretty surface level tbf

[solar gorge]

and also you can make the stingrays do funny evasive manoeuvres if you shoot it at them when they're flying fast

[visual stream]

[solar gorge]

so i guess there's that

[sterile basalt]

Nah zealot has a lot of complex stuff

Like, for starters, grievous wounds

Needs to be added to almost every melee weapon section

[visual stream]

The coolest hidden info zealot has is Fury giving you i-frames so you can tank PBs for example

To my knowledge

[visual stream]

Drawing a blank, what's that

[heady rapids]

reading is not a talent node

[plush estuary]

I use fury to not take damage here

[plush estuary]

\

[sterile basalt]

+50% stagger on weakspot hit

[visual stream]

Oh right that one

[heady rapids]

where is it located again

[plush estuary]

above loner

[heady rapids]

riiiiight

[visual stream]

Under TWBS IIRC

Neva use it though

[heady rapids]

yeah i can see why you struggled to remember lmao

[visual stream]

I am a Pattern Follower, do not mention Sainted Gunslinger or Disdain or Bleed for the Emperor

Couldn't disdain be pretty decent on a crusher actually?

[blissful frigate]

that one room in cm_construct

[ripe quest]

Absolutely can, but it needs to hit fresh hitboxes due to the overflow cap on each hitbox. 5 shots is super possible, 6 shots is more likely in the case that you hit a damaged hitbox and waste some damage.

[stray summit]

the poxbursters in da grimdark backrooms? What will he do??

[round echo]

Yo what gun is good if I like using combat knife

[hard nexus]

flamer, braced auto

[round echo]

What blessing r good for flamer

[analog ember]

Brauto 🤮

[median steeple]

overpressure/blaze away, Penetrating flame/blaze away

[hard nexus]

pins !

it’s in the guide and lower in the pins

both r from me

[median steeple]

too smart for your own good

they killed foxy in DBD 💔

[naive parrot]

How is Martyrdom these days

its been a while

[median steeple]

hasn't changed like at all iirc

[obsidian prairie]

Didn't they buff the TDR or something

[median steeple]

I have no idea

[obsidian prairie]

It was some random minor change

[naive parrot]

So still godly if it works and you're trolling if it doesn't

[median steeple]

I haven't been watching patch notes in a while

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah pretty much

[median steeple]

just run all wound curios and you'll be fine

[naive parrot]

Well yeah, thats mandatory

Does heavy eviscerator still have a hard cap on how many things it can hit at once?

[obsidian prairie]

Yes

[naive parrot]

sigh

[obsidian prairie]

For light attacks

[naive parrot]

So I assume the assault chansword beats it out for light spam meat grinder

[obsidian prairie]

Against pure trash yeah

[hard nexus]

hsword beats out both

for chaff

[obsidian prairie]

Oh hey its our evisc cultist

[hard nexus]

and elites

hewwo

[naive parrot]

So what is evisc good for then

[obsidian prairie]

Being worse than relic blade 👍

[naive parrot]

because I fuckin love the evisc but I'm not sure what to tool it toward

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1372085065621831731/DONE.gif

[naive parrot]

Relic blade? DId we get a power greatsword since I last played??

[hard nexus]

yarp

[hard nexus]

depends on the mark

[obsidian prairie]

The rock you are living under needs to be obtained for study

[hard nexus]

denser than my skull

[naive parrot]

its been a while

[obsidian prairie]

Yes we have a power greatsword now

Its better than evisc in every way

While doing generally the same things

Top tier generalist

[naive parrot]

Is this a good array?

[obsidian prairie]

Fun movesets

[obsidian prairie]

Mobility dump as per usual

[naive parrot]

Eh, it will suffice until I get something good then

heat management

excuse me

Does our sword overheat

[obsidian prairie]

Yes

Special turns it on

stays on until it overheats or you turn it off (you should turn it off so it doesn't lock out)

While powered it will stagger ragers and do hilarious damage

[naive parrot]

OK I'm going to just throw this out there.
Crit/attack speed build. Just grinding up a horde of trash into spaghetti-o's. What weapon am I looking for

[obsidian prairie]

And its usable when off unlike power sword

[obsidian prairie]

Tac axe

[naive parrot]

Really

Alrght

[heady rapids]

the carpal tunnel build

[obsidian prairie]

We figuired out it was good

[naive parrot]

I'm noticing a theme with the relic blade

its perks really like perfect blocks

[obsidian prairie]

And you ignore that and take Rampage and Cranial

[naive parrot]

Yep, I see that

[obsidian prairie]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d542ea0-2eca-412b-979e-a74c9d3ede8b/left-click-lobotomite-immortal

Here's tac axe zealot

[naive parrot]

The loss of shred still concerns me

[obsidian prairie]

You attack fast enough to maintain IoD with right side piety

(relic)

[naive parrot]

I kind of like martyrdom. Can I run that instead

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah

[naive parrot]

Neat

[obsidian prairie]

Relic works with every keystone

[naive parrot]

I'm looking at your dirt eater axe build rn

[obsidian prairie]

Not mine

[naive parrot]

window licker mode

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah basically

Spam pa->heavy versus horde and never die

[naive parrot]

pa?

[placid fiber]

push attack

[naive parrot]

Ah ok

[obsidian prairie]

Tac axe has a really good push attack

[naive parrot]

I take it, its a horizontal swipe?

[obsidian prairie]

Heavy attack damage, faster, and faster chain in to a second heavy

[hushed knoll]

Hello carpets

[naive parrot]

Well, there are 2, so what is each one good at

[hard nexus]

mk15 is good at most everything

mk3 sucks at most everything

however mk3 is much more fun to use

[visual stream]

Not sure if zealot knife also has this issue, but on vet I run the fire combat shotgun for reapers primarily since they can be a pain

And a lil horde

[naive parrot]

this is what I have been using for a while

[ornate bone]

Still baffles me mk 15 has ONLY a 4 cleave limit for damage

[grizzled aspen]

You attack fast enough with left side too.

[misty nova]

Martyrdom bloodthirsty Evis15 good at everything

[grizzled aspen]

Mk3 does as well, but only for lights, and so does chaxe.

Idk if chord does or not.

[ornate bone]

Well chaxe it makes sense for bc it’s smaller but I don’t think a 2 handed should have such a small cleave limit

[grizzled aspen]

But both evisc models and chaxe 12 can only hurt 4 enemies with lights.

(chaxe 4 can only hurt one because it's a sticky attack)

[ornate bone]

Mk 13 is growing on me slowly even tho it’s light spam feels weird

[plush estuary]

cata deeds are so fun

[grizzled aspen]

It doesn't make sense at all. Melee weapons should not have a target cap.

[misty nova]

Chswords does not have cap

[grizzled aspen]

The only weapons that should have target caps are staves and flamer.

[misty nova]

Taxes have though, 3

[naive parrot]

I may be blind but I do not see a bloodthirsty node

[grizzled aspen]

And rumbler, I suppose.

[misty nova]

Bloodthirsty is a blessing

[naive parrot]

yeah that will explain it

[ornate bone]

I figured bc of melee size it would but some melee def need a cap and I don’t think evis should be so low

[grizzled aspen]

Bloodthirsty allows mk15 to hurt more than 4 enemies with a light.

[visual stream]

Green circles mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-my-kingdom-come-gif-22105215

[grizzled aspen]

Cleave and cleave damage distribution are what limit melee. Adding a target cap on top of that makes no sense.

[naive parrot]

Wait, how

[grizzled aspen]

If you want a weapon to hurt few enemies, lower its cleave value and cleave damage distribution.

[ornate bone]

But I’m also using a shred wrath on my mk 13 to help a bit but I feel like wraith is kinda cheeks for it lol

[hard nexus]

hes kind of wrong

revved lights on mk15 evis

damage 6 enemies

instead of 4

its got nothing to do with being a crit or not

[grizzled aspen]

Is 6 not more than 4?

[hard nexus]

but bloodthirsty does allow you to spam revved lights more effectively

[grizzled aspen]

Oh and yeah I'm a dingus on that part.

Bloodthirsty is just how you optimize the rev spam.

[hard nexus]

your wording implied that bloodthirsty is what enables it

not revved lights

[grizzled aspen]

You can even do bloodthirsty perfect strike for huge memes.

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iE9WgDUtBK69iLof4/d13372XcZ2go?invite=cr-MSxCQ3ksMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[naive parrot]

Yes, memes

[hard nexus]

shred perfect strike is actually the ideal way to run mk3 evis

but mk15 does better with rampage shred

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-dunk-lebron-james-levronjame-gif-1038771198631298897

[naive parrot]

well I have not retooled the weapon at all, I'm only level 7 with evisc

[visual stream]

Oh don't worry about building weapons until probably 20 at earliest then

[naive parrot]

I mean I'm 25 on zealot

[visual stream]

Wait weapons that are gained before thirty don't have their stat maximums lowered anymore, right?

[visual stream]

Ohh you mean mastery oopsie daisy

[naive parrot]

Yeah, I'm only 7 mastery, so I pretty much can't change the sword into anything except a worse version of itself lol

[hushed knoll]

Omg hi Frogcast

[visual stream]

If you have an excess of crafting resources, you could always spam sacrificing greens of the same weapon

[hushed knoll]

Hello leggy bird

Why are ironhelm users oppressed

[hushed knoll]

I’m assuming that’s what you mean

[hushed knoll]

What

[grizzled aspen]

Someone has never played dishonored.

[visual stream]

HELLO

[misty nova]

Seven thousand fucking pigeons

[ornate bone]

Now if only they remove the 4 target cap…

[visual stream]

Weapon is nigh perfectly balanced in auric but is horrible in Havoc and Mortis

Plus Ironhelm just ate a shadow nerf in some way recently

[median steeple]

Peak outsider ability

Love me rats

[grizzled aspen]

"Perfectly balanced in auric" it is still weak.

[grizzled aspen]

Devouring swarm really doesn't get much love because dishonored is a stealth game and if you want bodies gone you have shadow kill.

[visual stream]

In auric it is strong but you have to know how to use it

[grizzled aspen]

It really isn't strong though.

[visual stream]

If we're talking about only for havoc, yeah it sucks

[grizzled aspen]

Anything it can do, crucis does better.

Across all content.

[visual stream]

Across havoc yeah

[grizzled aspen]

All. Content.

[visual stream]

Outside of havoc it's the other way around

[grizzled aspen]

(hint, that includes aurics)

[visual stream]

Ironhelm misses literally nothing except for boss damage

Which is negligible in non-havoc

Hint hint you're wrong and I'm throwing masses of stinkbugs at you

[grizzled aspen]

Ok so, you can clear a group of chaff slightly faster, but you have to work twice as hard for breakpoints.

[stray summit]

typhus grindset

[grizzled aspen]

I do not see how that makes it better than crucis.

[stray summit]

ok but what are you gonna do about those stinkbugs

[visual stream]

Wrong mindset

You can multitask, and even if only chaff you do it much faster

[grizzled aspen]

Eat them.

All of them.

Out of spite.

[naive parrot]

the thrust light on this relic blade is going to take some getting used to

[grizzled aspen]

Just use mk2 if you dont like it.

[stray summit]

have you considered doing a heavy instead of a light

[visual stream]

The only breakpoint you have to think about is for crusher and if you have your buffs rolling like they always should be, that's a moot point because the shortened self stun cancels out waiting for a stack or two of thrust

[grizzled aspen]

Mk2 is like mk3 evisc, it's quite good to use.

[naive parrot]

but thats vertical

[grizzled aspen]

Mk10 optimal horde clear is just light spam

[stray summit]

Mk10 also doesn't have a thrust

[grizzled aspen]

It does???

[naive parrot]

I assure you it does

[grizzled aspen]

L3 is a thrust, bro.

[ornate bone]

L3 thrust and then the running heavy no?

[grizzled aspen]

L1 is right to left, L2 is left to right, L3 is a thrust, repeat.

[stray summit]

I get the relic blades mixed up sometimes

[naive parrot]

RUNNING HEAVY
WHAT

[stray summit]

but uhhhh if you don't like that stab do a heavy instead it clears better

[stray summit]

Listen dawg

Light > Light > loop heavies

[grizzled aspen]

If you sprint, you level the sword tip toward the enemy. You can then hold heavy and poke something with it.

[naive parrot]

I know I jsut tried it out thats fucking GREAT

[grizzled aspen]

You can hit a crusher oneshot breakpoint using that and chastise while the sword is on btw.

[violet hornet]

you can also trigger it off a dodge slide

[grizzled aspen]

I think you need both cara and elites though.

[visual stream]

Yeah, they cooked with relic blade

[violet hornet]

PA on mk10 is also a stab

and you can do l1, then loop l2 h3 for horde clear as well

[stray summit]

Preach

Stab Attacks for horde clear are cringe

[violet hornet]

I'm sure I'm losing something by looping light heavy over light spam but it feels better so I do it anyways lol

[naive parrot]

Ah see I'm an ogryn so this I understand just fine. Pickaxe, you return to me, in a new shape...

[stray summit]

You're really not

[violet hornet]

(don't really need to do the optimal attack pattern on a weapon that overtuned anyways)

[stray summit]

yeah the non-weird relic blade is quite simple to get once you realize that stab for horde clear ain't the way

[grizzled aspen]

It's still faster and optimal for picking out a problematic elite.

[ornate bone]

I’ll have to try this out.

For myself for horde clear and relic blade, I block swing and then heavy swing, repeat process. Aim for the neck and watch heads fly off by the dozen.

[misty nova]

What was nerfed

?

[obsidian prairie]

Cara and a single scourge tick works

[naive parrot]

The non weird one is the 10 right

[grizzled aspen]

You don't have to like it, but optimal is still optimal.

[stray summit]

probably

[grizzled aspen]

2 has a significantly broader moveset and doesn't feature stab attacks in combo.

[stray summit]

2, 10, whatever, its the one with the red thingy on it

[violet hornet]

I do have some doubts about it being optimal since swinging costs you heat, and three lights is probably generating more heat than a light and a heavy but I don't care enough to do the testing for it

[grizzled aspen]

It does, however, have an uppercut.

[visual stream]

No idea, but it went from requiring 10 stacks of IJ and no other buffs for a crusher one shot, to 14 stacks of IJ

[ornate bone]

Pretty sure it just outright 1 shots everything lol

[sterile basalt]

mk2 is 5x the effort for a single attack that hits 10% harder
therefore mk10 is better

[visual stream]

In between last time I played it often and like last week or something

[grizzled aspen]

It doesn't.

[naive parrot]

the one with the red I on it is the 10

[ornate bone]

Atleast from my havoc runs it was depending

[stray summit]

10 also doesn't feature stab attacks in combo if you use it properly

[stray summit]

Right then we're talking about the 10

[grizzled aspen]

Again, light spam is optimal.

[stray summit]

It is not

[grizzled aspen]

It's literally the fastest.

[ornate bone]

well I’m saying from martyrdom build with enough wounds it should be

[grizzled aspen]

I will ping every fucking regular in zealout chat right now to prove a point.

[misty nova]

[grizzled aspen]

[stray summit]

stab slow stab no stagger stab get you hit

[grizzled aspen]

No you don't, dingus.

[stray summit]

stab = horde clear bad

[sterile basalt]

depends

[grizzled aspen]

Apparently it's an operator error for you.

[placid fiber]

light spam gives you both horde clear AND an opportunity to stab an elite/special with the light 3 >.>

[ornate bone]

Overall mk 10 is superior ima be honest lol both are very good obv but 10 is better

[void bison]

Darktide

[ornate bone]

Who needs stagger when you outright kill everything

[stray summit]

Its a Relic Blade, your also cleaving the elites, you dont need to stab them

[visual stream]

YOGTIDE

[grizzled aspen]

One (1) mauler head:

[naive parrot]

OK so speaking as an ogryn, the thing that makes heavy chaining with the pickaxe good is a node at the top of the tree that gives you lots of toughness back for hitting multiple targets with a heavy. Zealot doesn't get that, and its good because it lets you take a hit or two while cahrging the next heavy

[carmine falcon]

the stab on relic blade is amazing tho

[naive parrot]

Zealot feels like the way you get more toughness is by killing the thing in front of you faster

[carmine falcon]

mucho dmg

[stray summit]

Not for horde clear

hit one dude

[void bison]

Warhopper 40,000: Frogtide

[grizzled aspen]

Avoid damage and smite the sinner as fast as possible, exactly right.

[ornate bone]

Isn’t the optimal horde clear and stagger just 2 lights into heavy

[visual stream]

What is your favorite frog?

[void bison]

african bullfrog

[grizzled aspen]

No.

[sterile basalt]

depends on horde wave composition

[visual stream]

And do you know of the frogs in Warhammer Fantasy

[stray summit]

✅

[sterile basalt]

if it doesn't involve elites, light spam

[placid fiber]

[stray summit]

Then after that you loop heavies

[sterile basalt]

if it involves ragers, heavy sweep

[stray summit]

or heavy light on loop

[visual stream]

Aren't those the ones that dig little canals for their babies and watch over them?

[stray summit]

Gucci

[ornate bone]

Yeah I should’ve included ragers

[grizzled aspen]

The coolest frog is the wolverine frog.

[sterile basalt]

if it involves maulers, crushers and bulwarks, mix stab atks in

it all just depends

[placid fiber]

light spam literally lets you change from horde clear to single target because the light 3 goes to either the heavy 1 or the light 1

[ornate bone]

I wish the Ds were good for havoc honestly lol

[sterile basalt]

it's busted

[visual stream]

Say that again

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/ppkk04-funny-annimals-forg-toad-genius-gif-8013376

[ornate bone]

I’ve tried both marks. I find 10 is better vs anything heavily armoured for sure. The block stab and 3rd stab in combo is just great.

I find mk 2 is better as an all rounder. It takes an extra hit or two to bring down carapace armoured enemies and crushers, but it handles mixed hordes better due to the wide horizontal slashes you can chain.

That said, I need to practice more with 10.

[ornate bone]

Devil swords are good in havoc?

Oh wait

[stray summit]

You wish the what

[ornate bone]

Oops

[sterile basalt]

oh

[visual stream]

Ohh dclaw

[ornate bone]

LOL I meant claw

[stray summit]

Ooooo

[sterile basalt]

ur the first person ever to abbreviate devil's claw as ds

[ornate bone]

Everyone knows duelling is broken

[visual stream]

You were about to be rotisserie bro

[stray summit]

oh yeah man FUCK the duelling sword

[ornate bone]

It’s been a long day

[void bison]

the great catachan toad obliteration

[ornate bone]

I haven’t maxed out my duelling sword yet it felt so cheap to use lol

[ripe quest]

yoggers

[visual stream]

The exact video I was thinking of

[stray summit]

I can't wait for eviscerator chainaxe to be an expy of Elf Glaive

[sterile basalt]

eviscerator can use like

5+ buffs

to be good

[stray summit]

or just remove the damn cleave cap

[sterile basalt]

not enough

[stray summit]

all cleave caps

[obsidian prairie]

Good, stop there

[ornate bone]

Refuse to use it. I can’t bring myself to even equip it

[stray summit]

dead

[stray summit]

[grizzled aspen]

No, no, it has bad cleave damage distribution and mk3 just has terrible damage.

Evisc needs a great bit of love to shine again.

[visual stream]

Waiter, I'm gonna need zealot tree rework, for it to increase our overall power, and no DS nerf

All next patch plz

[clever swan]

I wonder if they'll ever make a real dueling sword that can't slash and can only stab

[sterile basalt]

most weapons need at least 3~5 buffs to be good

[stray summit]

yes make the eviscerator the best weapon

rather that than duelling sword continue to be the best

[sterile basalt]

some need like 10+

[grizzled aspen]

You do know that none of them should even be used for stabbing, right? They're all sabers.

[visual stream]

Talking in a havoc sense?

[sterile basalt]

but they're the minority

[ornate bone]

I actually love the Evis. It’s a bit finicky to use, but once you get used to revving, it’s just so much fun.

[sterile basalt]

no, just in general

[void bison]

I will only be interested in playing more darktide if the arbiter is fun

[visual stream]

Or by good do you mean DS levels of good

[sterile basalt]

not havoc exclusive

[sterile basalt]

no

[stray summit]

I love chainaxe

[misty nova]

Evis15 is already the best weapon
(Totally not biased opinion)

[sterile basalt]

just good enough to fulfill what they're supposed to be good at

[clever swan]

I guess that's why I said they should make a real dueling sword cuz these dont really count

[grizzled aspen]

We should change ds4 to an estoc instead of a saber.

[misty nova]

[sterile basalt]

cuz vast majority (95%+) do not perform as good as they should

[grizzled aspen]

Estoc is my favorite type of sword.

[ornate bone]

15 is my jam. It just melts hordes.

[obsidian prairie]

Saber fencing is a big thing

[stray summit]

I like 3 more its more interwoven without being RB2 levels of weird

[grizzled aspen]

^^^

Saber fencing is a thing but like, still, those swords are not meant for stabbing.

[sterile basalt]

mk3 eviscerator prob can use 10+ buffs tbh

mk15 needs 5+

[grizzled aspen]

Just because a weapon can be used in a way does not mean it should.

[stray summit]

definitely exaggerating

[sterile basalt]

nah

[stray summit]

10 buffs would be overkill

[grizzled aspen]

No, Path isn't.

Mk3 is that bad.

[visual stream]

I feel like most weapons are at least decent enough to be auric-efficient, but many could use buffs yeah

Especially for havoc

[sterile basalt]

first thing first, my definition of "1 buff" is very simply, 1 specific aspect of a weapon getting a buff

as an example
if I change two of the weapon's ADMs, that's 2 buffs

[placid fiber]

Path is probably understating how much reworking/buffing it requires

[grizzled aspen]

Here's a simple question to determine whether or not you can weigh in on mk3 needing buffs.

What deals more damage in one chastise rev heavy, mk3 evisc or mk13 chord?

[visual stream]

Cshotty eating dirt while we get, soon to be, now two amazing shotguns

[sterile basalt]

if I change 2 attacks' stagger, that's 2 buffs, not 1 buff

so these add up to 10+

[placid fiber]

Path is the numbers guy

[obsidian prairie]

They’ll probably buff them

[sterile basalt]

given the metrics I use, psyker needs ~80 nerfs to be in line

[stray summit]

weird ass way of saying it

[visual stream]

I would hope so

[grizzled aspen]

I'm gonna be like, licking my fingers over arbites.

[sterile basalt]

it's not, I just use what the game recognizes

[stray summit]

Instead of just like

[grizzled aspen]

Missed a 0 there.

[placid fiber]

My knowledge compared to his is I'm a hapless hillbilly <.<

[visual stream]

I like that they're sort of glass cannony

[analog ember]

what about ogryn?

[stray summit]

Buff its damage

[visual stream]

Depending on build

[sterile basalt]

15?

[blissful frigate]

I don't know how fatshark would ignore the state of those, that arby's shotty looks really similar to a cshotty

[violet hornet]

pubs that die once a minute with psyker in shambles

[visual stream]

Efficient psyker builds get so silly you can barely consider them glass though

[analog ember]

noooo way

did you miss a 0?

[clever swan]

saying x buffs is a good indicator of how many singular aspects are lacking but technically one buff could be so strong as to essentially be like 10 buffs at once, depends on the numbers involced

[sterile basalt]

80 nerfs can be 80 small nerfs
15 nerfs can be 15 big nerfs

remember that

[analog ember]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[placid fiber]

until you get hit at the wrong time and before you are out of the hitstun 5 more melee hits get you x.x

[sterile basalt]

I think most of ogryn's kit is well designed

just some stuff needs number tuning

[placid fiber]

Way overtuned, but, well designed

[stray summit]

I think psyker greatsword is a good standard of power

[sterile basalt]

most of their melee dmg talents need to get tuned down

[analog ember]

instead of 400% worth of damage buffs, he should get 4%

[sterile basalt]

nah

[stray summit]

not including the wave magic thingy

[sterile basalt]

that thing is bipolar

[placid fiber]

So like my home state

[misty nova]

Just like psykers

[stray summit]

just like, As a weapon

[misty nova]

[ornate bone]

How about devils claw gets buffed first

[stray summit]

As a sharpened piece of metal

[sterile basalt]

force greatsword is mid at best on its own, carried by warp slash

[ornate bone]

I think this is why I’ve never liked psyker. I’ve had a few builds I’ve done great with in damnation, but it jsut feels like you are so dependant on your group for all survival since you go down hard if you get caught out of position or even just surrounded . I like operatives that can be more independent.

[blissful frigate]

parry spam too op, you will enjoy that and continue to otherwise be a worse heavy sword - wrong reply

[placid fiber]

It's also that 1 mistake can lead to heavy chunking or instant evaporation

[sterile basalt]

nah

80 is genuinely like, enough

[placid fiber]

Oh and the "heavy chunking" is one of the more lenient punishments <.<'

[ornate bone]

When a carapace mixed in horde comes

Lotta dinks and no damage

[blissful frigate]

yeah just parry them

[stray summit]

then what do you think is a good standard

[placid fiber]

the zealot parries the crusher and chastises before hitting it, 1 shotting the crusher

[ornate bone]

Would that even work

Realistically

[visual stream]

a groaner silent hits your parry right as a crusher finishes winding up an overhead

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-looking-up-willem-dafoe-willem-dafoe-blue-willem-dafoe-meme-meme-gif-10294496856248602941

[sterile basalt]

there's no weapon in game rn that is "standard good"
vast majority underperform their roles
and the rest overperform their roles

[placid fiber]

Yes, it is a known trick >.>

[ornate bone]

It’s damage against armor is so ass like lol

[placid fiber]

and done in the field <.<

[blissful frigate]

IRL If I muster up my rage and faith into my reposte then yeah my opponent will fucking die

[ornate bone]

I’ve tried to get into using the mk 6 but it feels so awkward compared to mk 4

[placid fiber]

You just need the timing on the perfect parry, and when to chastise

[sterile basalt]

with that said
relic blade is pretty close to "standard good"

only needs like

3 nerfs?

2~3

[placid fiber]

I ob-... thinks
Fuck you're right

[void bison]

I think video games are cooler when they're somewhat balanced

[placid fiber]

Roguelikes/roguelites:

[blissful frigate]

regular attacks don't do much to carapace but parry attacks will cleave it even I'm pretty sure

[placid fiber]

Oh wait you said somewhat balanced

[void bison]

I do like risk of rain runs where I play long enough I can just get up to use the bathroom and not die

[visual stream]

In RoR2 you experience divine ascension but late game one mistake is instant death

[ornate bone]

Hmmm piety would be the way to go with devils claw then?

[placid fiber]

Just play the false son and have 20khp

[visual stream]

Haven't seen him yet

[placid fiber]

I've seen someone at 20k before lol

[visual stream]

He scales hp?

[placid fiber]

without pearls iirc

They had stone flux pauldrons tho

[visual stream]

Funny

Wonder if he has the mobility to keep that hp when everything is swarming

[void bison]

I like captain so I can hack chests open for an easy early game

[placid fiber]

Oh and false son gets armor for not using his m2 charges

and false son gets more m2 charges for having more hp

[visual stream]

Hacking shrine of chance/red chest

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-my-kingdom-come-gif-22105215

[placid fiber]

The chance doll on its way to give you 2 reds from the shrine of chance:

[visual stream]

Idk if y'all play modded but alien hominid was so fun and good

Then they made it so if you hold left click you charge one attack instead of shooting constantly

Horrible, huge nerf, buffs carpal tunnel and fucks attack speed

[placid fiber]

This is how it changes the rarity drop rates based on how many it has

Yes, you can apparently get boss items from chance shrines with it...

[ornate bone]

Yeah it’s just so pitiful against carapace lol but shred/wraith should be the way to go I’m guessing or shred/rampage

[ripe quest]

Skill issue
Runs past 30 minutes on monsoon = god run that only ends when you crash or close the game.

[placid fiber]

Just wait until you face stage 1 larva on inferno. That'll put hair on your chest >.>'

And I mean without the dissonance artifact

[visual stream]

Mistake implies skill issue, don't bully me

[placid fiber]

This modded artifact... you can get any stage(that isn't a unique place like void fields/artifact place/end zones) as stage 1

I'm really scared about when I get stage 1 helminth hatchery

Sky meadows is already rough, but, not quite as rough as sundered grove or siren's call

[void bison]

my favorite modded characters were nemesis commando/enforcer and paladin

[placid fiber]

There's a nemesis mercenary now, and they're working on a nemesis captain next

[void bison]

holy shit.

[placid fiber]

the merc with a shotty from ror1's starstorm mod is now in 2!

[void bison]

I'M A LASAGNA LOVER ME ME I AM

[subtle sentinel]

Does every franchise need a kart game

Where is 40k kart

[naive parrot]

gramfel kratt

[placid fiber]

I don't think warcraft has a cart game, but, idk for sure on that either

[void bison]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2078450/Warhammer_40000_Speed_Freeks/

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[placid fiber]

holy fuck

oh wait I read that as warcraft not warhammer

[subtle sentinel]

Live chains reaction

[void bison]

payday 4 payday kart

[placid fiber]

I'd say rogue legacy doesn't have a cart game... but one of the scar challenges is literally surfboarding as a wave of death is coming after you in rogue legacy 2 >.>

I can't spell tonight

[subtle sentinel]

The revival we need

[placid fiber]

Let's just hope dead space doesn't release a 4th as a cart game first and steal their thunder

[subtle sentinel]

Callisto Kart

[void bison]

callisto roguelike

idr if that released

[placid fiber]

Now featuring: Necromorph babies...

[void bison]

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[subtle sentinel]

That's close yeah

Callisto is easier tho

https://tenor.com/view/leon-ferris-callisto-protocol-the-callisto-protocol-sam-witwer-captain-leon-ferris-gif-10257157783412662963

Sam witwer is so fucking recognizable, man

[placid fiber]

One of the biggest things about success in dead space is realizing if the body is together... it's a necromorph... and the ideology of dead space and games like it is to always know... the one in front is just the distraction to the guy coming to get you from behind

[void bison]

the remake is considerably easier

[placid fiber]

Oh and to not shoot active nukes, like you can in dead space 1's remake* >.>'

I was watching a guy's 1st playthrough of the dead space 1 remake... and they knew their dead space stuff pretty damn well... they went into that room... and shot...

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-clouds-of-smoke-gif-17216934

iirc they shot the nuke or w/e itself while shooting a necromorph <.<

[placid fiber]

One thing that isn't true about dark souls, with online active... since iirc you can make it so you're fighting way weaker people with much better builds

or something weird with how invading is taken into account with level and such...

They did at least incentivize you to try the different weapons(In the dead space 1 remake), rather than making you waste a fuck ton of credits on a weapon and then realizing it is hot garbage(like in dead space 1) @void bison

[elder heron]

Reverse psychology

[ornate bone]

I mean yes and no it’s kinda the same thing with monster hunter over time players get better at games which in turn makes them feel easier such as monster hunter world vs wilds(although I will say quite a decent amount of monsters in wilds are easy)

[elder heron]

The guy behind that guy behindddd that guy is actually the guy you need to worry about

[void bison]

the necromorphs are slower and gang up on you less

[plush estuary]

@copper hawk @hard nexus @jagged cradle Duo auric event?

[placid fiber]

Don't forget the 3 that jump out of the vent right next to you

[elder heron]

How could i forget about those pest

That game shook me and killed me so many times

[placid fiber]

And the 2 babies on the ceiling, don't forget them either

[void bison]

dying light 1 🤝 deadspace
killing children

[placid fiber]

No that dead space 2

[hard nexus]

there is a joke here

[placid fiber]

I didn't get the joke, so I corrected that you only kill necromorph* kids in 2

[median steeple]

LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

[placid fiber]

By the way, Yog, this is how you mando in ror2

There's a modded artifact that multiplies both the player and monster's attack speed x10 and their damage is 1/20th

What do you think of the full auto fireballs from the lemmies? :3

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-hell-flame-screaming-gif-4980329892289384674

[placid fiber]

Oh and with jellyfish you get no warning, they almost instantly explode on you by the time you realize they are there

[winter oxide]

finally cleared 40

but it was an easy map

[violet hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-baby-dead-space-nonagon-ethosaur-gif-23934293

[placid fiber]

Those are necromorph babies

[copper hawk]

Cant. Work. Sorry

[clever swan]

doom 3 also lets you murder babies

[misty nova]

Dying Light lets you drop kick them

[violet hornet]

Indeed, I just like the animation

[jagged cradle]

I’m super busy

[plush estuary]

kk

I found a random to duo with

they did decent

I love chaxe mk4

[jagged cradle]

I prefer the mk10

[modern lintel]

making up mks smh

[jagged cradle]

Is it 12?

[modern lintel]

ding ding

[jagged cradle]

Yippee

[violet hornet]

Wire breaking nda on the third, unreleased, incredibly overpowered chainaxe

[jagged cradle]

Awh fuck

I promised Cole I wouldn’t leak anything

[versed fiber]

Got the relic blade and holy shit

[visual stream]

At which rank did you stop getting ankle weight teammates

I desparately need to know when I should have hopium

[hearty nebula]

load into mourningstar
see character named "NurglesMeatSheathe"
yep that's enough darktide for today

[winter oxide]

ankle weight teammates?

[copper hawk]

Runt spotted

[plush estuary]

its always funny whne people use mods and see her steam name

[copper hawk]

:(

[hearty nebula]

whar

[plush estuary]

Missk itty

[hearty nebula]

zero clue who that is

also nurgle would never cheat on Isha

smh my head

to think that he would be so debased...

[grizzled aspen]

"Psyker" (the person), "Miss Kitty", and "Runt" are all the same person. She's the one that drew Ainz's "whatever, go my shards" thing, among other things. Quite talented.

[hearty nebula]

@pliant ice im watchin u...

freak..

[grizzled aspen]

Yup, that'd be her.

👋 hi Runt.

[plush estuary]

she is eepin

[grizzled aspen]

I wish I could draw but any time my pen touches paper my brain remembers "Hey Frog, you stupid idiot, your hands shake too much for this."

[delicate shadow]

I wish I could engage in activities I've put zero effort or time into yeah

[grizzled aspen]

Nah I mean like, I've really truly tried, at least on actual physical paper.

Maybe drawing on a device is easier?

[runic grotto]

I wish I could draw without learning how to draw

[void bison]

i've drawn some frogs

[runic grotto]

Would be cool if this ability just manifested iteself

[silver granite]

I wish I was better at zealot

I guess I need to put more hours in game

Is there a mod to check how many in mission hours you have vs what steam shows?

[clever swan]

dont think so

can do some math to figure out a range given your account level i guess

[copper hawk]

Video living rent free in my head

[visual stream]

Teammates that make you last alive within 5 minutes

Idk maybe I've been unlucky

It feels like every match I'm put in a clutch attempt

[violet hornet]

Yeah that's how every havoc match has been for me since the reset

Doesn't help I dropped from 30 to 29 before I realized I could get demoted playing someone else's mission lol

[visual stream]

Wondering if I need to start doing LFG and being in voice calls but that's a lot of commitment xd

And even more awkward if the people in the LFG are also not fit

[violet hornet]

Right, that would probably help

[visual stream]

In-game party finder I can just leave and re-list

[silver granite]

does the stunstorm grenade qualify as stun grenade?

for penances

[brave cypress]

yes

[silver granite]

ok thanks

[brave cypress]

any grenade, aura that is a "augmented" version of said aura is eligible for said penance

like "scavanger" and "survivalist"

[silver granite]

ok

that's awesome

[winter oxide]

20-30 is super bad

30+ is better but theres still some rng

[zinc talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216004964324081667/1377049157847617556/undefined_-_Imgur_28.mov?ex=68378c77&is=68363af7&hm=bafdc9cfaf3b720c6ffabb12cb8ec25fc0d0b20ebaf36563e7c474fff6e4f0b5&

[celest pelican]

Hello anyone have the best perks blessings for flamer? 🥰🤗

[median steeple]

Pins has what you need for weapons/build stuff

[fluid kayak]

Hello there, I was wondering if I could get some help doing the Shocking Stuff Penance

[visual stream]

I've gathered, I'm in 22 IIRC

8 more matches or so to go

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/akuma-sf6-gif-1682706543702075673

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/megan-leigh-megan-leigh-oh-wait-wait-gif-5840678038546003116

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-bernie-gif-27192884

[clever swan]

havoc 20-30 teammates know nothing but how to die, eat hot chip, and lie

[violet hornet]

Hey they know how to queue for 45 mins just to leave after the first time they get dropped by a crusher overhead 5 mins in

[plush estuary]

360 Cwarrior

[zinc talon]

WERE GETTING A FIFTH TEAM SLOT

THERE AR E FIVE

OF US

[copper hawk]

Game Play

[zinc talon]

IN THE LOADING SCREEN

INSTEAD OF FOUR

[plush estuary]

he did the fake out

turned around

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-kill-sniping-fps-mw2-gameplay-footage-gif-14443552

[zinc talon]

I don't

[obsidian prairie]

I ❤️ block cancel combos

[zinc talon]

I don't get it

[delicate shadow]

depends on the person methinks, digital does have a lot of (non-ai) tools to make it smoother tho

[zinc talon]

I would have thought the fifth team slot would have been bigger newds

[delicate shadow]

my partner's a professional artist and much prefers paper/canvas but that's also probably a generational/training thing

[gaunt roost]

whats thammers attack chains

[plush estuary]

heavy

heavy

heavy

heavy

special

[median steeple]

true....

[obsidian prairie]

Unless you play ironhelm

Then its heavy light

[north sedge]

There's a freedom in physical media, no scrolling no managing layers, gestures are 1 to 1

I find digital too cumbersome for how I've worked in the past

(I started out trying mostly digital and vastly prefer physical media)

[pliant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funny-drunk-meow-gif-10381022155799670207

[hearty nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/824349273642500187/862352276135215154/u_have_one_week.gif

[pliant ice]

FLUFF

[hearty nebula]

glorf

[grizzled aspen]

Incomprehensible, Emperor have mercy on your wretched soul.

[hearty nebula]

I HATE U

[copper hawk]

I know.

[median steeple]

Teto.......

[winter oxide]

8 matches?

[visual stream]

If we assume only wins

Which is not likely

[gaunt roost]

thammer just 2shot a captain wtf

[hexed igloo]

I mean I've seen thammer 2shot nurgle beast

[plush estuary]

tis the only thing it does

[pliant ice]

good mourning

[plush estuary]

Good morning

[ripe quest]

Did they fix Overpressure or is it still just the direct hit being buffed

[median steeple]

fixed it a while ago

[gaunt roost]

chat can yall give me a relic sword build

[plush estuary]

The zealotbuild tm works best for allw eapons

[mighty root]

Crit build

[violet hornet]

Right side pie yeti

[mighty root]

Tried crit cursher

Would recommend

Really hope that one crusher skin comes back

[tame sluice]

https://imgur.com/a/i-hate-overseers-tkiCmkr

how are these enemies real

[ripe quest]

This user has 0 sway reduction, obliterate them

[copper hawk]

Having fun yet ?

Every named unit besides voteless takes a whole mag to kill

Leviathans can tank a whole defense cannon shot (many in fact)

Up to 7 recoilless shots

Dont get me started on the FMs ,,

Cant wait till the illuminate thing is over so I can go back to Bot or Bugdiving

[tame sluice]

I'm upset because half their fucking head doesn't have a hitbox

and the part of their head that you can hit is 2cm away from their torso

Though even despite that the only Illuminate enemy I consistently have problems with is Leviathans

They're just so uninteractive

[ornate bone]

Using the non crit thammer build in the pins. However, wanna go to martyrdom. Should I pick maniac over I shall not fall, or take both by sacrificing something else?

[tame sluice]

Overseers are annoyingly tanky but they're managable with there being consistent tools that counter them

Fleshmobs die instantly to basically all of my favorite support weapons, and a few primaries I like are very good into them

Failing that they're very slow so it's easy to kite them or distract them with sentries

[ripe quest]

Fleshmobs are pretty flimsy if you have something meant to deal with them. Explosions annihilate them, anything with good DPS kill them quickly.

[nocturne cobalt]

After reading the compendia

[lament folio]

Is crusher just a better shock maul

[nocturne cobalt]

And getting better weapon combos n stuff. Class is a lot more fun.

[tame sluice]

ABRL my beloved

[nocturne cobalt]

Well yes but actually no.

[lament folio]

I tried a bunch of weapons for zealot and I’ve come to the conclusion that ‘everything is just an inferior thunder hammer’

[nocturne cobalt]

It’s a poor man’s thunder hammer sitting in between the shock maul and the power hammer.

[lament folio]

[nocturne cobalt]

Im gonna try dueling sword.

With the bolter

[lament folio]

(Fun wise for me)*

[nocturne cobalt]

In blazing piety

[lament folio]

Why atent those weapons reliant on crit though

[ripe quest]

GL is pretty fun for them too, covers Voteless, Fleshmobs, and if needed Overseers. Of course, the boring option is Autocannon as the flak rounds w/ the shrapnel rework enable 3 shots on Fleshmobs and the APHET rounds have good performance into Overseers, Harvesters, and Stingrays.

[lament folio]

Like TH

[nocturne cobalt]

To shoehorn you into martyrdom.

[lament folio]

Wouldnt crit be good with TH since high damage = better crit

Or are crit values for each weapon different

[tame sluice]

this

[lament folio]

Right

[ripe quest]

Everything is an inferior laspistol if you try hard enough.

[lament folio]

I see the zealot doc putting TH on the right keystone but does matryrdom work too 🤔

I suck at matyrdom though

[nocturne cobalt]

Im a blazing piety goober.

[lament folio]

Discovering a whole new class because I spent 450 hours on the other classes and just got zealot to lv30 yesterday

[nocturne cobalt]

I switched from veteran to zealot to psyker to zealot to ogryn to zealot.

[tame sluice]

zealot is like half the other classes tbh with how shit their skill tree design is

[lament folio]

Went from vet > psyker > ogryn > ogryn > ogryn

[tame sluice]

Their meta build is effectively their only build

[nocturne cobalt]

Meanwhile my veteran :

[tame sluice]

And everything else is throwing

[lament folio]

Unfortunate

[nocturne cobalt]

Ogryn is really fun.

With the class rework.

[lament folio]

Though I do see fire nade being used and its pretty decent in havoc

[nocturne cobalt]

It’s also a tanky boyo

[lament folio]

Sometimes

[nocturne cobalt]

I see the stun grenade used.

And it does. Nothing.

[lament folio]

That one just kinda sucks

[nocturne cobalt]

Yesterday. I had a dreg rager mob. Going for me.

[lament folio]

The aoe should really be increased by like 3 fold at least

[zinc talon]

paging all brittleness/rending experts

[lament folio]

And guarantees stun on literally everything including monstrosities

[nocturne cobalt]

Throwing knives saved me.

[zinc talon]

if say, I use a weapon that gives me 40% rending it max stacks

[tame sluice]

actively worse in havoc than it is in normal gameplay, and it's not great in normal gameplay

[zinc talon]

and I have a talent pip for 5% rending

does that put me at 45% effectively?

[tame sluice]

havocs modifiers primarily counter DoTs

[nocturne cobalt]

Additive stacking.

[zinc talon]

additive, great

[lament folio]

Eh just dont play it into purple

[zinc talon]

now does each weapon have some variable or something that affects how much of a help rending/brittleness is?

[lament folio]

And you’re good

[tame sluice]

well yeah their ADMs

[zinc talon]

I know above a certain threshold the effect changes somehow

but don'ot remember the what or why

[tame sluice]

if you already have high armor damage then Rending is just a tiny damage boost instead of increasing your armor dmage

[copper hawk]

It all just takes so much damn ammeow

Laser cannon my beloved

Y u skull react

Beeeyoooootch

[zinc talon]

gotcha

[copper hawk]

It kill everything

[tame sluice]

I liked using Torcher into them since they take double fire damage

Takes like...half a canister to kill a fleshmob

[zinc talon]

so...that makes weapons that don't do well against armor, like bladed cleavers, get more advantage per % of rending on the target?

[tame sluice]

And it burns every voteless to death around them

[copper hawk]

Overseers flyin overseers (they fly now !?) Mleshfobs harvesters for some reason

[tame sluice]

correct

[copper hawk]

Just doesnt kill leviathans

[zinc talon]

and there's an effective cap at which more rending really doesn't mean much of anything

okay, got it, thank you

[copper hawk]

Shoots down intergloopers as well

[copper hawk]

Laser Cannon and Scythe light enemies on fire

[ripe quest]

Beam weapons are HD2's double bleed knife for Illuminate and Terminids.

[frosty herald]

The gloopless

[copper hawk]

The laser pens their armor as well

I light them on fire and leave

The flames consume their squiddy flesh

On Diddy

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-theater-popcorn-explosion-crazy-gif-7283614019765734813

[zinc talon]

yep, now that fire damage does dmg proportional to target size

the beam pistols a great lil thing for the gigantic flesh chaos spawn things

[tame sluice]

well yeah but unlike here Helldivers doesn't have poxwalkers with a billion health so the beam burn actually kills them

[ripe quest]

Well, kinda. It's not an actual size-dependent thing, they have a variable for element damage multipliers independent of unit mass and size stats. For example Fleshmobs have a higher fire (and electricity) mult than bile titans and impalers.

[nocturne cobalt]

Helldivers 2 gets you. With enemy volume.

All enemies are the same. Except when they’re not.

[ripe quest]

Beam weapons don't have cleave so it equalizes out.

[nocturne cobalt]

Like the bile swarm.

[zinc talon]

I wouldn't have thought electricity, they sure can soak arc thrower rounds

but they can soak landing on em in a drop pod so what do I know

[ripe quest]

Yeah the only one that was communicated was the fire mult, but they have stuff for gas and electricity. Unfortunately arcs aren't really known for their DPS.

[tame sluice]

Imagine if we had an Arc DPS weapon

Blitzer, Tesla Tower, and Arc Thrower are all kinda slow burst damage type weapons

[obsidian prairie]

Would require a direct connection to the enemy

[hearty nebula]

rip og arc thrower

that thing was pawsome

[lament folio]

ok so how bad is the shock maul compared to the crusher

[plush estuary]

In terms of damage, versatility, mobility, and ease of use (attack pattern) shock maul is probably a 5/10

Crusher is around 7-8/10

[lament folio]

man the crusher takes so long to kill crushers and maulers compared to the TH

[silver granite]

cranial + wratch is good for relic blade?