zealot-class

[placid fiber]

Well yeah, you move faster which breaks more spawns as well >.>

[real sonnet]

Oh i think you meant something else mb

[placid fiber]

It's pretty much the fastest movement we have on any weapon

[real sonnet]

PA against a single target defenitely is better than DS heavy spam too

Only downside is that it takes stam ofc

[placid fiber]

Yeah, there are up sides to each one

better horde clear and dps that doesn't require stamina, vs higher single target dps and movement speed at the cost of horde clear that the dueling sword does better and stamina

[visual blade]

how do i make a good bistol for zealot

[placid fiber]

dump collateral

uh

[visual blade]

fuck

okay what then

[placid fiber]

puncture is the main blessing for breakpoints

otherwise you can choose between lethal proximity, run and gun, and I forget what else

[long oasis]

surgical

[visual blade]

fuck run and gun

[placid fiber]

I forgot the perks, but, I build mine for specials more than elite breakpoints so I use flak and maniac

I think ainz has a better details in their compendium in the pins

[visual blade]

oh my there's finally a guide

[misty nova]

💀

[visual blade]

so if no crusher, i either run it as a worse revolver or i'm forced to run and gun

[placid fiber]

well lethal proximity makes it stagger enemies at closer ranges due to the explosion

even on a miss(i've staggered trappers with lethal proximity at close ranges)

I'd say puncture + lethal proximity is probably my 1st choice on what to recommend

since it has pretty much pin point accuracy on the 1st shot/when you wait for the (I forgot the word... the spread or w/e) to reset

the recoil to reset I think is what I meant

tfw adhd makes you forget 1 word and you feel like a moron >.>

[visual blade]

i typed "not know how good" a couple minutes ago so you aren't a moron

or we're both morons

[placid fiber]

Great men think a like, but, fools seldom differ

It's kind of funny I kind of joked something similar to the last half of that statement(that was the full saying)

[visual blade]

wait since when is dreg bomber unarmored

[placid fiber]

always

it always has been unarmored, the scab bomber having an unarmored head is what is newer

[visual blade]

i was for sure all specialists but dog were full maniac, regardless of armor

[placid fiber]

no lol

sniper is unarmored, scab bomber is flak on the body and unarmored head, dog is infested, dreg bomber is unarmored

the flamers, mutie, and trapper are maniac

the scab bomber was full flak for the longest time, the unarmored head on them is a somewhat recent change

just like the scab rager having a carapace chest

[winter oxide]

carapace dogs

[placid fiber]

the new 2026 modifier

[visual blade]

2027

SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN

[placid fiber]

Nah, that's carapace trappers

[visual blade]

carapace, multi exploding poxbursters

[placid fiber]

[visual blade]

plasma gun, laserless snipers

[placid fiber]

exploding ragers

[subtle sentinel]

65 damage 75 ammo flamer

Good?

[placid fiber]

Decent

[visual blade]

so long burn is 80, it don't matter

[placid fiber]

the extra 5% ammo probably doesn't do a huge amount, but, it might give you 2-5 more ammo

[placid fiber]

76%*(it caps at 76%)

[subtle sentinel]

Each 2% gives 1 ammo

I will aim for a perfect one

[placid fiber]

Don't forget to count extra mag capacity, in case it holds 1 more ammo in the mag as well

[subtle sentinel]

What melee should I use with it besides duelling sword? Knife?

[visual blade]

why does it cap at 76

[subtle sentinel]

A lot more extra ammo

More than 2

[placid fiber]

76% is when it gives the most burn stacks

[visual blade]

relic blade, claw, chain axe

[subtle sentinel]

Like +5 ammo or so in reserve

[subtle sentinel]

Wha

Aren't these also horde

[placid fiber]

Any weapon that can kill armor

[visual blade]

chain axe is both

relic blade is also both

[misty nova]

Technically Chain Axes have Cap of 4 targets

[placid fiber]

You don't want to always use your flamer for hordes if you can help it, cause you will run out of ammo really fast if you use it every single horde full blast

[misty nova]

So it's not the best at hordes

But also not the worst

[subtle sentinel]

Exactly

[visual blade]

it's good at mixed and does a fuck ton of damage

for little reason

[subtle sentinel]

Does knife do anything for hordes?

Chain weapons gimmick turns me away from them

[frosty herald]

No lol

[visual blade]

not with the recommended setup

[frosty herald]

Unless you use the mk6 one

[placid fiber]

mk6 uses push attack into heavy for horde clear

[misty nova]

Mk6 sort of

[subtle sentinel]

Uncanny and ruthless?

[frosty herald]

Uncanny precognition

[misty nova]

No ruthless, too conditional

And uncanny is just better

[visual blade]

i used to do uncanny flesh tearer while running piety

[winter oxide]

bloodletter chainaxe

[subtle sentinel]

Which blessings for flamer I forgot

[placid fiber]

blaze away + overpressure

[visual blade]

blaze away overpressure

[frosty herald]

Imagine if vet had access to flamer

[tawny harbor]

I dunno how that does in the game but that combination of words sounds mighty heretical...

[subtle sentinel]

I do have a perfect chainaxe

[placid fiber]

flak + maniac/unyielding(if you hate bulwarks)/carapace(If your second blessing is penetrating flames instead of overpressure only)

[visual blade]

biggest heresy after not giving us a melta

[subtle sentinel]

But I am so used to the combat axe

[winter oxide]

demon build

[subtle sentinel]

Duelling sword, heavy sword, chain axe, shock maul

[misty nova]

Marksman Focus Flamer

[acoustic dune]

Question

[misty nova]

(literally no synergy)

[visual blade]

budget melta

[acoustic dune]

Does anyone has a problem with steam overlay where it completely black screen your pc?

And make you forced to restart the computer?

[visual blade]

drivers updated?

[placid fiber]

imagine penetrating flames + the 10% rending talent or onslaught on the vet

[acoustic dune]

Maybe?

[visual blade]

holy support flamer

[subtle sentinel]

I will use combat axe with flamer

[acoustic dune]

It's up to date

[subtle sentinel]

[visual blade]

then i don't know

i would suggest restarting steam but that's not a good solution

ask steam support somewhere, maybe

[twin wagon]

oi zealots, how does it feel when ur class is outdone by a dlc and a big man with a rock

😛

[acoustic dune]

Dlc is for zealot is what I'll tell myself

[winter oxide]

no crusher = not playing

[acoustic dune]

Where do I ask that?

[twin wagon]

Turns out Arbity is better than every class in the game currently

[visual blade]

not for me to look, i don't have the issue

[acoustic dune]

Darn

[twin wagon]

My superior sources have told me about broken scaling with shock maul

And a pseudo smite but in an aoe around you on hit, like a massively buffed indignatus

[visual blade]

good thing i don't main this class and only do it recreationally when i want to hear the voice liines

the shock archetype for trials

[twin wagon]

The age of shouty is over

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279

A new power is been developed

[winter oxide]

🛌

[visual blade]

leveling weapons you don't like is so miserable

look at this shit. i need to use this in missions

[misty nova]

Dlc is not even out yet

[twin wagon]

My sources know about the secrets within the one Dlc

[placid fiber]

You can also sacrifice green versions for mastery if you have extra capital

[misty nova]

How are we suppose to compare that which is not out with zealot

[visual blade]

you can do greens? don't they have to be blue?

[twin wagon]

Use your economical power to skip

[drowsy furnace]

No money for brunt purchases?

[placid fiber]

only green, blue gives no more exp

[visual blade]

no will to click

[misty nova]

Also lore accurate Ogryn should be better than normal angry human anyways

[twin wagon]

By using hearsay and speculation

[misty nova]

Not conclusive enough

Not concrete enough

[twin wagon]

It worked with every dlc career in vt2

[misty nova]

Hold on

Lemme hit a huff puff and let the voices tell me

[twin wagon]

Psyker is power by warp Ogryns

Let the Ogryns within

[winter oxide]

theres a mod for sacrificing

get that instead

[visual blade]

i will never use a mod for this game

[placid fiber]

to each their own

[winter oxide]

im just providing a solution

[twin wagon]

A new patchie is brewing

[drowsy furnace]

Massive skill issue

[visual blade]

a skill issue to not need mods to perform?

[twin wagon]

We will be bathed in his holy updaty and adquire...content

[visual blade]

look who's talking

[subtle sentinel]

Servitor on the commissary is so ugly and unnerving pls kill her

[misty nova]

They already killed her once

😭

[drowsy furnace]

Blud you're the one complaining about weapon menu tedium

[visual blade]

not dead

she's alive

[drowsy furnace]

Pick a fucking struggle

[misty nova]

Ship of Theseus moment

[twin wagon]

I have a mod that makes it so whenever Ogryn taunts he farts so loudly it obscured all other sounds

Additionaly ultra instinct plays every time I dodge successfully and trappers are so loud I cannot hear anything but a trapper till she dies, not even boss/horde music

[drowsy furnace]

You could have been halfway to maxing the bolt pistol by now

[twin wagon]

Oh and that new mod to have Ogryn yell ROCK whenever I pull it out 100% of the time even if I have other grenades equiped

[misty nova]

Have you seen the Bosco one yet

I mean

The skull companion

[modern lintel]

wonder what kind of nades arb will have

[solar gorge]

dog

the nade is the dog

[placid fiber]

dog explodes NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

[modern lintel]

then what would be their other thing

[placid fiber]

exploding cheese

[winter oxide]

what if they released a poxhound that can explode too

[modern lintel]

do not ask for such things less they be added

[winter oxide]

my bad

[placid fiber]

I'm all for people enjoying the game how they want. If you don't want to use mods, don't use em. Don't expect others to waste their time scuttling through the mourningstar just because you do, tho

[visual blade]

see that's a mod i don't mid the existence of

[visual blade]

and there's a few like that, but ones that directly impact gameplay during missions by highlighting enemies, notifying you of specials and whatever else

[void bison]

who cares

it's pve and accessibility

[pale spindle]

I care...

About you 😢

[placid fiber]

Most of the mods I have don't really affect my ability to perform. I only use spidey sense, now, because I have a poor headset that has an even harder time picking up audio queues on top of the ones that don't play

[carmine falcon]

9999...9999% of dork mods dont affect gameplay negatively

[winter oxide]

what is spidey sense?

[carmine falcon]

and are server side

[winter oxide]

you mean client side

[placid fiber]

It's a mod that lets you get a directional indicator for a special at a certain distance

Which helps, but, also fucks you up sometimes

[carmine falcon]

same shieze

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-stairs-gif-26161925

[void bison]

kevin helps sometimes but mostly he fucks things up, he commits atrocities

[placid fiber]

I've had even spidey sense indicators glitch out not showing up plenty of times, but, it at least helps with silent spawning specials

[pale spindle]

How does it feel to keep a toddler that can reach 80+ years? 🤔

[winter oxide]

i see

usually when my headset runs out of battery then i say fk it

if i get netted then im netted

[void bison]

he can bench press 415 and break the sound barrier

[placid fiber]

Before my good headset died(it was a wired, one ear doesn't work now) I was able to tell where special were easily

[pale spindle]

[winter oxide]

i get that sometimes when the audio gets overloaded

[hollow meteor]

I respect the birb

I used to take care of parakeets, birds are lovely

[placid fiber]

It's even worse with the headset I have now, as on top of that sounds jumble together on it sometimes

[winter oxide]

way too many sounds so everything just fades out

[hollow meteor]

Budgies specifically

[modern lintel]

charbroil it

[void bison]

more like unepicest ever of all time

forever and ever

[placid fiber]

While I get that, even with mods that give you extra info sometimes the indicators don't show up. On top of that... what are you supposed to do about specials that make no sounds when they spawn and you don't get any audio queue when they're trying to get you?

[modern lintel]

erm shoot them

[visual blade]

i think of it as a mechanic, and it may sound silly, but what difference would it make if they added the possibility for specials to be sneaky?

[placid fiber]

Silent spawning specials was a thing even before there were WAY less sounds playing

[placid fiber]

That's not an intended thing, though

[void bison]

I plan to play darktide for the first time in years just to make a dredd-named arbiter

[violet hornet]

Like pinging enemies and audio queues do?

[placid fiber]

It's literally an audio bug

[visual blade]

it's a thing of understanding that the bug happens sometimes and that if a mechanic that acted similarly was added, not much would change

[obsidian prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397919123117572098/1375158285816299530/caption.gif

[visual blade]

a point of view thing. i don't mind it. if i'm in a position where that screws me over, i have already failed

[placid fiber]

A trapper that spawns making no sound and the sound queue for the trapper net revving to fire glitching gives you no way to avoid it as you do not know the trapper is behind you

[patent elk]

when does the patch drop again guys :?\

[placid fiber]

That's not a player fault, that's a glitch

[violet hornet]

Ya know, run ending bug but NBD skill issue

[visual blade]

23 jun

[void bison]

if you accept failure as even a POSSIBILITY, you've failed in the mind battle. True gamers know the taste of victory before the pixels are even lit with the game

[modern lintel]

im going to get rid of my lvl 24 zealot and transfer his name to arbites when they come out will be more fitting anyway to have an arbites named baby mangler

[winter oxide]

so now we know

when the game crashes its a skill issue

[violet hornet]

Quick play tossed you into a failure screen? Skill issue

[placid fiber]

I've had silent special actions, silent special spawns, silent elite sounds, etc etc... it's not intended, and unless it is in front of you then you get no warning for it

[visual blade]

anything i have on mind, if spoken out loud (or written, rather), will sound like rage bait

nothing productive will come of this, i fear

[placid fiber]

Because you think no audio queues for a player is fair, and I don't

[visual blade]

did i say that? no. i said that it's a skill issue to resort to external help when the option of "just getting better" exists

[placid fiber]

Just getting better at knowing something that makes no sound for spawning or its action?

[visual blade]

i've been in talks like this about dark souls' easy mode, too, and the conclusion we came to was that it's just a difference of opinion

get mechanically better at dodging, moving around, shooting and hitting heads, maximizing value for things

[placid fiber]

That does little for something that has no audio queue

and I spanner a lot to look for specials

[visual blade]

1. look around more 2. if can't, kill things better so you can look around more

[winter oxide]

what if the trapper is invisible

[violet hornet]

I like seeing my true level, but I should have just gotten better at game mechanics apparently

[unborn basin]

Precognition (60% finesse) dmg, how does it work with dueling blade?

Dueling blade has 80% finesse dmg, does the 60% multiply or additive on the 80%?
140% vs 128%

[placid fiber]

"look around more" You mean like I already do? I constantly am looking around me when there are no sounds

[obsidian prairie]

Not even close

Hit inspect and look at the description

[placid fiber]

What's sad is I can see your point, but, my point on something not making a sound when it is intended to is lost on you

[ornate bone]

I find no audio isn’t the worst unless it’s a pox burster. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had one of those things just jump onto the group with zero sound warning in the middle of a horde that’s so compact you have no chance of seeing them

[obsidian prairie]

Or alternatively ping Path.exe

[unborn basin]

I did?

+60% finesse dmg on successfull dodge for 2s

[violet hornet]

Seeing Cole getting eaten by a silent burgle from behind at the start of a 3veg solo is up there too for sure lmao

[unborn basin]

What am I missing? xD

[obsidian prairie]

For the finesse stat on the weapon

[placid fiber]

or a trapper behind you while you're dealing with something

[unborn basin]

ye, it says 2.48 bonus

You mean its 2.48 x 60%?

[obsidian prairie]

Idk

[unborn basin]

So, ~4 times?

[visual blade]

yeah, it is. and it's on me to introspect more on the issue

[ornate bone]

Ugh. The worst.

[obsidian prairie]

Closer

[violet hornet]

Players with nearly 4k hours and probably top 50 in the game's player base apparently need to git gud
(I am referring to Cole, I am not that good)

[obsidian prairie]

Just ping path I don’t know how finesse calculations like that work

Or I do

[visual blade]

i have a very good way of disproving it but i don't have a screenshot on hand

[unborn basin]

hmm, heavy attack is 330. Times 2.48 is 818 dmg.
But when I check attack pattern dmg, heavy attack is 901 dmg?

[obsidian prairie]

It’s either 60% x (2.48-1) + 1

[placid fiber]

You were right it is pointless. You're of the opinion you should just git gud when a glitch happens

[obsidian prairie]

Or something else

[tawny harbor]

If the Arbites backstory is also being a convict, I'm gonna name mine Rico just to see if anyone gets the reference.

[violet hornet]

Is it a screenshot of a text editor that says "I am right"?

[naive stirrup]

it wouldn't make sense for that though

[ornate bone]

I often find it’s not even a matter of getting gud. Sometimes RNG is just a bitch. There’s been so many missions I’ve ran that had a stacked team, but everything can just happen at once

[visual blade]

and i thought i was ragebaiting

[violet hornet]

That's part of the thrill of the game, wouldn't be fun without the high risk for sure

[ornate bone]

Agreed. I don’t mind when I lose. It’s all part of the fun

[violet hornet]

Some of my favorite moments are fail clutches, simply because the fight is incredible

[winter oxide]

i do mind when i crash though

if i install a mod to fix crashes will that be considered cheating?

[ornate bone]

Same! I often find myself last person standing. Nothing feels better than saving the team and the run! It also shows you where you can improve

[drowsy furnace]

Same, they make matches with pubs really fun when I manage to pull it off

[violet hornet]

I'm definitely going to remember a lesson from a failed clutch more than one learned elsewhere that's for sure (I'll never rush down a reaper carelessly again)

[drowsy furnace]

Had a fun clutch earlier today on auric damn where a chaos spawn somehow catapulted the rest of the team into the abyss on hab dreyko and I had to finish the fight alone and deal with a gunner swarm before rescuing them

[misty nova]

Finesse buff is additive to another finesse buffs
So Precognition and Duelist talent are 100%+ finesse

[drowsy furnace]

I was playing scriers gaze psyker with voidstrike and shock maul

[misty nova]

But finesse damage calculation is another story

[placid fiber]

It's different when you fail to something that was because you were overwhelmed and you failed to something you had no ability to hear due to audio cutting out

[unborn basin]

So, its not worth taking precognition vs thrust?

For havoc 30-40s

[soft condor]

Hey shouties what do yall think about the skins yall have been getting lately sah?

[misty nova]

It's worth taking Precognition

[unborn basin]

I feel i cant afford the time to charge up a thrust while dodging around

Ty

[misty nova]

I don't really trust Thrust (on DS ) but there's probably cases for it

[unborn basin]

Worth spending 2 poiints on Blazing piety (+10% crit chance) vs Thy wrath be swift (Cant be stunned by melee attacks) talent in havoc?

[ornate bone]

lol. I always rush/charge recklessly. It’s lead to me getting better, but it also is something Ive learned is just never a great idea. lol. Taking time to plan my charges/route through enemy gun lines has helped a lot

[unborn basin]

Since its so large hordes I feel I get hit easily, and mini stuned results in me getting hit twice

But the crit chance on duel sword helps put out dmg

[visual blade]

more damage to use two heavies than to charge thrust for 1 thrust heavy

[visual blade]

depends on the weapon

[unborn basin]

Dueling sword MK4

[winter oxide]

why cant you get both?

[visual blade]

hammer/crusher? twbs. otherwise go for crits

[unborn basin]

I'm spending 2 points on getting the Pious cut through (20% CD reduction on backstabs) to easily spam HOLY NOVA (Chorus)

[winter oxide]

dont really need that

on dueling sword

[unborn basin]

Which?

[winter oxide]

pious cut throat

[unborn basin]

Chorus is 60s cd

[visual blade]

yeah. if you have piety, you should be running crits cooldowns

[unborn basin]

I have it

[winter oxide]

you already crit so often iod is always being proced

[unborn basin]

Buts it just reduces CD to 30s

Pious makes it like 5s

[visual blade]

yeah there is a point for both

genuinely, don't bother with twbs with ds

2 point investment for something that gets you speed on hit

you aren't getting interrupted mid-swing with ds

[unborn basin]

Ye, that was my thinking

[visual blade]

or you are and it doesn't matter because you dodge and immediately whip out another swing

[winter oxide]

twbs is just for the occasional random mini stun

[unborn basin]

Righteus warrior (Extra 10% crit chance) worth it though?

Makes me get like 55% crit chance from talent tree

vs 45%

Not big diff, but still

[winter oxide]

i went for full dr on the dueling sword

[unborn basin]

damage reduction?

[winter oxide]

yes

[unborn basin]

well, I have talent points for that too

Hmm, Holy revenenant (regain 25% on when should die) might be worth taking over 10% crit chance

[winter oxide]

righteous warrior sounds bad on dueling sword

dont you already have riposte?

[unborn basin]

Uncanny strike + precog

Lots of bullwarks on Havoc

And it has high penetration

So it gives me xtra dmg

[visual blade]

try agile instead of precog maybe

unless it's been debunked

it has

[sullen forge]

Agile is a noob trap blessing

[subtle sentinel]

25% when you deal a ton of damage

Well not a ton

but the window is small

And half the time I can't even tell if it procced

Wait, that's why I survive for like 5 seconds or so at 1 hp when a hound mauls me

[placid fiber]

3x the damage you deal with melee is used for holy rev

[subtle sentinel]

[unborn basin]

Melee dmg heals at 3 times melee dmg it says?

[winter oxide]

it will be crazy not to take it

[unborn basin]

what=

[subtle sentinel]

You deal 1 damage with melee

[unborn basin]

Ok, will sacrifice the 10% crit chance for it then

[subtle sentinel]

It heals 3 HP

[unborn basin]

Oh

[subtle sentinel]

You don't deal 1 damage iteslly

Literally

But example

I wish there was a more clear indication that it triggered

Like a giant booming alarm sound with goofy noises and a 5 second countdown with fireworks at the end

[visual blade]

sound cue, status bar, swishies at the edge of the screen

[winter oxide]

i cant comment on right side piety cuz i already have riposte + full dr

[subtle sentinel]

So much happens on the screen with blood splatters, fury effect

I can't see it

[unborn basin]

Well then, thanks for the discussions fellow God Emperor zealots! I think my build is better now after listening to you guys :D

[winter oxide]

can i see your talent tree?

[unborn basin]

Might get past lvl 20 havoc rank..

[unborn basin]

How do I share?

[winter oxide]

im only at h37

[unborn basin]

Ingame is very zoomed in xD

[winter oxide]

screenshot or use the build editor on gameslantern

[unborn basin]

On it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9efb78ea-e401-4189-99f3-b3cb857c9e93

There you go, take a look and see if if you think I should change anything

[winter oxide]

is this for blight only?

[unborn basin]

Eh, general Havoc build.

[winter oxide]

swap to benediction then

make another one for blight

[unborn basin]

I find that pox bursters, flamers, hounds, etc come often and eat up my teammates hp with corruption over time

[visual blade]

there you go

2 spare points

[unborn basin]

ah

Did not even think of that

[visual blade]

faithful frenzy is good imo

[placid fiber]

Also gives you an extra 15 toughness node

[visual blade]

even more crit change from piety is also great

if only left side piety worked better

[winter oxide]

your flamer looks interesting

[placid fiber]

btw you do know damage is the preferred dump stat on the flamer right?

[unborn basin]

hmm, what to spend the last 2 points on

[unborn basin]

Ye

But I dont feel like rebuying it

[placid fiber]

Fair

[unborn basin]

Idc that much about the mobility on flamer

[placid fiber]

Just was checking

[unborn basin]

Other weapons sure, but flamer I dont move alot

[placid fiber]

You can go full right side piety or something like this

[unborn basin]

thats what I was thinking, or Eccelesiah call

[winter oxide]

i always take twbs no matter the build

[unborn basin]

even with duel sword?

[winter oxide]

yes

[visual blade]

i love dance of death but i can't see the point

[winter oxide]

havoc is just too swamped

[unborn basin]

Considering Swift Certainty so I can sprint to enemy gunners + Ecce call

[visual blade]

what's the reason for stalwart? doesn't it only proc once per fight, effectively?

[placid fiber]

dance of death is not useful on the flamer

[visual blade]

yeah not on flamer but i like it for others

[placid fiber]

25% tdr, +2.5% toughness per melee kill

[visual blade]

DR?

[placid fiber]

the 2nd part is a hidden bonus

[unborn basin]

Alright, I will go with Thy will be wrath!

[visual blade]

yeha i can see that

not written anywhere

doesn't sound bad. sucks the 50% only procs once

[placid fiber]

the 50% proccing isn't even what's good about it, it's the 25% tdr

[winter oxide]

i dont use stalwart for 50% toughness regen

[placid fiber]

just for playing the game

[winter oxide]

lol

[visual blade]

when the damage is so high that, unless you're vet and above 75% tgh, one hit gets rid of that

but yeah i can see that now

[unborn basin]

Ok, time to host a havoc party and try build out!

[placid fiber]

You literally have my toughnes curios and ds4(only with thrust instead of precog because of preference)

[winter oxide]

overpressured?

[placid fiber]

I mean you have 25% tdr on top of 50% tdr on top of 15% tdr on top of tdr nodes

each multiplicative with eachother

68.15% toughness dr without including tdr nodes

[unborn basin]

If were 2 in my party, can we join another havoc party of 2? I.e, merge parties?

[placid fiber]

uh... maybe? Idk

[winter oxide]

both of you need to apply

[unborn basin]

ah

What does Clearance level mean btw? Mines 29, but my havoc rank is 19

[winter oxide]

highest level cleared

[unborn basin]

Ah

[placid fiber]

I don't do havoc so idk. The 2nd season of havoc is definitely more tempting than the 1st, but, it still looks like vt2 weaves but better balanced to me... and I still hate vt2 weaves <.<

[unborn basin]

No one joining my havoc party :(

[placid fiber]

[placid fiber]

Have a beeg(big) version of the sad cat face, to make you feel better hopefully :3

[unborn basin]

[placid fiber]

I like how increasing the size does almost nothing to how good it looks

[spare talon]

[placid fiber]

beeg version!

[visual blade]

why am i being despaired?

[misty nova]

[visual blade]

AND DEATHED

stob

[placid fiber]

because it's the cole n higui wombo combo

[visual blade]

i get the sense the discord hates me

[placid fiber]

death and despairing all the happy go lucky people

[misty nova]

Oh your build?
Eh mostly fine

Honestly

[visual blade]

ain't even my build

[misty nova]

I'd take the 10% attack speed anyways

[placid fiber]

it's an alteration of someone else's build

[placid fiber]

like this one? #zealot-class message

[misty nova]

This still stands

[misty nova]

Yeah

[placid fiber]

Here, have a beeg version of death

[visual blade]

[visual blade]

i was just considering whether or not to launch ror2

[placid fiber]

new dlc on its way there too >.>

[visual blade]

prolly not cuz i suck at the game

ror2 or the remake

[placid fiber]

I mean all you gotta do is literally never stop moving in ror2 >.>

All the enemies make sounds when they spawn in ror2

[visual blade]

doesn't help with getting actual items or when you get circled by freshly spawned flying pests or lesser wisps

[placid fiber]

That's all about target prioritization, learning how to use your skills, and learning what to do

[visual blade]

can't move yourself out of shots of 3 lesser wisps at base speed

[placid fiber]

jump

jumping and sprinting helps you avoid stuff

[visual blade]

many such cases where jumping results in me still getting hit

but it is a skill issue because wisps can miss if you move faster just as they're about to shoot

[placid fiber]

Sometimes you still get hit even without a skissue

it's a hitscan attack

[visual blade]

so sprinting at the end of their aiming thing gets you out but i don't have the timer in me bones

[placid fiber]

It's more about learning how to move with your character, some characters have bigger hitboxes making them have a harder time avoiding some enemies

[visual blade]

still don't know what to do when the game decides to give me a singular crit item, a whip and flashbangs at stage 3

[placid fiber]

You just fully loot every stage

items scale exponentially more or less, while enemies scale more in a linear way

[visual blade]

the run i'm talking about was one where the only two offensive items i get are the crit glasses and a flashbang

[placid fiber]

Also which skills you use on a survivor either helps or works against you

[visual blade]

think it was commando

[visual blade]

did... the guy just yeet himself?

[placid fiber]

Do you have phase blast and tactical slide? >.>

[visual blade]

yeah

[plush estuary]

dog

[visual blade]

imo the secondary ability is a thing of preference, same as the last ability, but slide i do have

i don't understand why they made the slide a direct upgrade with no sidegrade possibilities

[placid fiber]

simply learn to fly

[visual blade]

doesn't solve my lack of damage

[placid fiber]

Uh, phase blast hard carries in the early game >.>

[visual blade]

might have been an especially terrible run, now that i'm thinking

[visual blade]

i didn't even get particularly good healing items, either, and i kept getting imp overlords as random spawns

[placid fiber]

Who needs damage items when you got style? >:3

[visual blade]

which i know i don't have to kill, but still

also, very based of you to not use grenade

[placid fiber]

Grenade is less consistent

[visual blade]

also can't hit flying

[placid fiber]

also stun stacking is a thing now, cuz gearbox fucked shit up

[visual blade]

how so?

longer stun?

[placid fiber]

every single application of stun stacks the time

[heady rapids]

@acoustic dune wana see what i got

[visual blade]

OH

that's nice, actually

[acoustic dune]

go on

[visual blade]

what's the third item you had?

don't have the dlc because 1. i'm poor 2. the dlc doesn't seem good

[placid fiber]

both dlcs are good now(they fixed the 2nd one)

[placid fiber]

Warped echo, it makes damage do less and then the portion reduced does damage in 3 bits which are non-lethal

[violet hornet]

Weak spot cheek spot

[placid fiber]

@visual blade without the 2nd dlc you can't even do this (light flux pauldron is from the 1st dlc)

[acoustic dune]

Never nice

Now let's see Paul Alan set

[placid fiber]

phase blast and slide spam

both of those lunar items are terrible on commando

[visual blade]

wait why not

what does the 2nd dlc change about these

[heady rapids]

i wanna get something else now do you have any suggestions

[acoustic dune]

Mechs

[placid fiber]

the 2nd dlc doesn't add the lunars for what I am doing with mando, the 1st dlc adds light flux pauldron which halves attack speed and halves cooldowns

[heady rapids]

they don't have any good ones I think

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-shit-screw-alien-green-cat-glorpshit-gif-14063742872689700747

[visual blade]

your message doesn't make sense ot me, then

[placid fiber]

purity is a non-dlc lunar which reduces cooldowns by 2 seconds and reduces luck by 1(it fucks your procs over)

lunar items are the ones that give benefits, but, at a cost

[visual blade]

why can't i do it without 2nd dlc if the only thing necessary for the items is dlc 1

[placid fiber]

I was meaning you can't do that without the 1st dlc, the 2nd dlc isn't needed for it

[visual blade]

i have 1st dlc of course

i was talking about not having the 2nd one

[placid fiber]

Well you can do that without a dlc because you can stack 3 purities which will give you the same effect... on slide and phase blast

[visual blade]

resulting in my question about the item and my explanation of why i don't have the dlc

[placid fiber]

I mean if you have the 1st dlc you can do that

I worded it poorly

[visual blade]

still a little confused but alas

[acoustic dune]

Then planes

Giant zepellin

[placid fiber]

I corrected it: You have the 1st dlc, you can get both of the lunar items I have in that video

[visual blade]

yeah i'm aware

i've got a couple hundred hours across a few installations

[placid fiber]

Rookie numbers

[visual blade]

i can't play my favorite classes anymore because of the time i have spent playing modded

[placid fiber]

corrupted your main profile?

There's a modded fix

[visual blade]

what? no. just not playing modded right now and i got so used to the different mechanics that i can't play the vanilla versions anymore

had a bandit tweak where slash was a dash if sprinting

[placid fiber]

Ah, btw you want a seperate profile for your modded ror2

mods can corrupt your profile

[visual blade]

seems i got lucky lol

[placid fiber]

You're lucky until you aren't lucky

[visual blade]

meh. doesn't really matter in risk

[placid fiber]

It doesn't just immediately happen

[visual blade]

you get to just unlock everything with an editor so any progression lost doesn't mean much

it's what i did for my first profile accidentally. just wanted to get some lunar coins but clicked the wrong thing and only realized too late

[visual blade]

i used the editor website

[placid fiber]

This way you can edit the lunar coin amount without having to go to a website >.>

[visual blade]

i tried doing this for paladin's achievements but they're implemented with different wording so i gave up on the notepad way

i had maybe 7 hours on record at that time! i didn't know!

[undone pewter]

what are bandits thoughts on teh new class

[acoustic dune]

they prob dont know

[undone pewter]

oh

lol

[acoustic dune]

wait nvm

its this

[plush estuary]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1374485332627685619/image.png?ex=68318478&is=683032f8&hm=e5cc81f03bc9bbcc956e619948a04f96aa6d075345c5a6a4e64ec742b7f95e69&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[obsidian prairie]

Evil and nefarious aura selection

[placid fiber]

Ainz, rate my build

[visual blade]

REF DO SOMETHING

[misty nova]

😭

[violet hornet]

Goated

[spare talon]

he has the build id expect

[plush estuary]

Donkey?

[placid fiber]

Me?

[acoustic dune]

Smh not all node taken

[ornate bone]

anyone know where I can find the info on Vermintide 2 being "finished"?

[subtle sentinel]

MK2 or MK4 for the chainaxe?

[plush estuary]

Finished in what definition?

[subtle sentinel]

Mk4 right?

[sterile stone]

I keep forgetting Ell isn't here anymore.

[subtle sentinel]

How do I get more cleave on the chainaxe

It isnt even one shotting fodder rn

[heady rapids]

nowhere

its not finished

[misty nova]

Headtaker and Slaughterer are Strength
Strength is more damage, stagger AND cleave

[subtle sentinel]

Shouldn't it be thunderous

40% brittle in 4 hits

[paper pine]

Doesn't give cleave though

[subtle sentinel]

But isn't that the best?

2 strength blessings

Sounds overkill

[misty nova]

No such thing as overkill 🗣️

[subtle sentinel]

is it good enough to replace thunderous

[misty nova]

Yes

[subtle sentinel]

I need so much diamantine...

200 more skulls then I get 4000

[ornate bone]

By done developing

But I think I'm being gaslit

[placid fiber]

the chainaxe already has good adms, so you are getting a lot less from thunderous than slaughterer/headtaker/thrust

[misty nova]

New weapons 2026

[frosty herald]

We already know about the rune drill

[sullen forge]

2027

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[sullen forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif

[placid fiber]

you think we're getting new weapons before 2040?

[undone pewter]

No no

2041

[sullen forge]

New weapons before GTAVI

[subtle sentinel]

430 STRENGTH +3 STAMINA CURIO ON SHOP

EMPEROR SMILES AT US TODAY

[sullen forge]

That’s a true Stam curios

Absolutely grab that

[placid fiber]

meanwhile the fabled 100 rated 1 wound curio... doing the same as the 430 rated 1 wound curio...

[subtle sentinel]

What are the best curio perks again?

[acoustic dune]

bandit will be back oneday

[subtle sentinel]

Got it so fast ong

[placid fiber]

gunner resist, health, toughness, stamina regen, 1 instance of sniper resistance(not in havoc tho)

[mighty root]

I go stam regen gunner res and whatever else I wanna run

[subtle sentinel]

Yeah no one is letting em in

+5% toughness sounds small lol

[placid fiber]

5% x 3 = 1 more toughness curio almost

[mighty root]

It’s good

17+ 5

[placid fiber]

22%

[mighty root]

Yarp

[placid fiber]

66% instead of 51%

[subtle sentinel]

+3 stamina with Stam regen gunner res tougness

Perfect

Mark 2 or mark 4 tho for caxe

Saw on light attacks feels odd

[placid fiber]

combat axe? Rashad

[subtle sentinel]

No, chain axe

[placid fiber]

12 or 4

[mighty root]

4

[subtle sentinel]

Activating fury mid saw does insane damage

Why

[placid fiber]

mk12 is the same weapon animations on a rashad combat axe for the lights and heavies, mk4 is more unique

[subtle sentinel]

There is only 2 and 4

[placid fiber]

because you're applying chastise's damage and rending to the whole saw instead of the 1st hit

[subtle sentinel]

Amazing

Is that a bug

One shots a crusher

[placid fiber]

XII = 12

[subtle sentinel]

Gonna use this with flamer

Oh It is XII

I just saw II

It doesnt seem to cleave much tho

Especially with lights

[hollow meteor]

That's true for all saws

[subtle sentinel]

I gotta kill every fodder one by one

[placid fiber]

with headtaker up it helps it cleave through more

the mk4 you use heavies and the push attack for hordes

and lights and the revved push attack for single target iirc

push attack is, iirc what bandit said, a heavy but with more stagger

[placid fiber]

my cat is crazy, knify, she refused chicken I offered her

[sterile stone]

[acoustic dune]

maybe she us not a chicken gal

[placid fiber]

I miss bandit...

I went to mcdonalds after I got paid today and tried to chocolate chip frappe thing... but they messed it up so I got 2 for the price of 1 lol

[acoustic dune]

congrat

[subtle sentinel]

It is horrendous against groups I can't even make it through a heresy run

Push attack? Like block and push?

That does something besides just pushing?

[acoustic dune]

yes

[subtle sentinel]

Only when revved?

[acoustic dune]

it implode the enemy

[placid fiber]

hold the button while pushing

[plush estuary]

no, there has been no comments on finishing working on VT2 to my knowledge

they even released a new map yesterday

[placid fiber]

A push attack is when you hold the button to push while blocking

[acoustic dune]

i cant believe we get the popo before a zealot rework

fartshark perfer making a new character then fixing

smh

[subtle sentinel]

It is doing basically nothing

This so so much worse then the combat axe...

And I have both of the strength blessings

[acoustic dune]

o ey space marine 2 is on sale

chat is it worth getting/

[subtle sentinel]

Everything is

Depends do u like space marines

[acoustic dune]

i like mordhau

https://tenor.com/view/mordhau-dance-warrior-happy-gif-14480303

[placid fiber]

You also are not experienced at doing heresy, right? That affects your perception of things

[placid fiber]

I mean the caxe has a busted blessing that hard carries it

if they removed bromentum you would feel it hard

[subtle sentinel]

I do heresy casually with combat axe

[subtle sentinel]

Yeah but there is brutal momentum

[placid fiber]

No shit, it's a busted braindead weapon

with a broken blessing

[subtle sentinel]

But it is there

[placid fiber]

If you compare everything to a better weapon you will always feel underwhelmed by trying a ton of weapons

[subtle sentinel]

79% damage 54% shredder

Why does it feel so bad

[placid fiber]

No shit it sucks

shredder is an important stat on it

[subtle sentinel]

If there is a better weapon why use the worst one

[subtle sentinel]

It is 350 power level

I dont have the mastery to go higher

[placid fiber]

So you took a 350 powered weapon into heresy... and you're comparing it to... what rating is your caxe?

[placid fiber]

fun, people use less broken weapons because they find them fun

[heady rapids]

yes

horde mode next week also

[acoustic dune]

60 dilla

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-cat-chinese-tole-tole-cat-chinese-tole-cat-china-cat-cat-gif-18130320169200006773

you said its on sale

[acoustic dune]

or jsut base game

[heady rapids]

i bought it fullprice

on release

idk

[heady rapids]

do you wnat the skins

[placid fiber]

If you only want to use the best melee weapon stick with the dueling sword/knife/relic blade/combat axe and never use any other melee weapon >.> @subtle sentinel

[acoustic dune]

i love cosplaying

[heady rapids]

you can check

theres

a couple dlcs

[heady rapids]

there's a unique champion bundled with ultra edition you cant get any other way btw

they have no upgrade to that

for some reason

they must hate money

[acoustic dune]

holy shit base

or not

these mf

[heady rapids]

yeah

that shit is exclusive

to the tiugn

the champ is whatever but yeah

its there

[acoustic dune]

99 dilla is INSANE

[heady rapids]

or you can just unlock dlcs like in any other game yk

but we dont talka bout that.......

[acoustic dune]

what do you mean?

[heady rapids]

support the developers........

[subtle sentinel]

Perfect combat axe is now rank 500 yay

[subtle sentinel]

I don't think space marine is predatory enough to justify that

It is just cosmetics

[acoustic dune]

you speak as if drg have such a price gouge

[subtle sentinel]

Check what the ultra edition actually has

Morning game changing

[acoustic dune]

speaking of which

[subtle sentinel]

Payday 2

Is a game where unlocking dlcs

Is justified

[acoustic dune]

about that

[subtle sentinel]

Payday 2 is

Imagine darktide

But every new update is 20$

[subtle sentinel]

It is my most played game at 600

I can't focus on a game longer than that

Don't install that shit btw

[heady rapids]

darktide but every weapon mark is 2,99$

[subtle sentinel]

They didn't even change the banner to smth iconic

That random ass woman has absolutely nothing to do with the story

[acoustic dune]

jesus

[ornate bone]

Now all you have to do is run it on martyrdom and enjoy

[subtle sentinel]

And new "class" every 3 months, with 1 weapon

For 12$ or smth

[subtle sentinel]

Nah I run the crit one

It is very fun

[acoustic dune]

thats it lads

[subtle sentinel]

If I can't get the hang of the chainaxe (I wanna, I bought the skin for it it goes perfectly with my look) I will just use combat axe with flamer

Kinda got bored of the combat axe and laspistol combo

[acoustic dune]

blade post that cat shrimp

[ornate bone]

Crit is good as well! BP is always one of my fav keystones.

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/neppico-gif-12490047082767817490

[placid fiber]

I mean... this is why people run other weapons, the others are op and boring and they wanted to have fun >.>

[acoustic dune]

this is what ill do

[subtle sentinel]

Bought it?

[subtle sentinel]

It IS fun

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/hotel-mario-mario-cdi-no-refusal-gif-3231775313720996150

[subtle sentinel]

I just don't wanna be using the same thing

[placid fiber]

to just mash lmb on everything?

[subtle sentinel]

Over and over

[acoustic dune]

not yet

[heady rapids]

we can play spesh mehreen if you wanna

im conjuring

[acoustic dune]

fuck

thats a good pro

cons is 100 dilla

[subtle sentinel]

It cleaves through everything like butter and spams heavies so hard I can just chill, it is so satisfying I love it

It is a game, it is meant to be fun, and combat axe is very fun

[subtle sentinel]

Just

Buy the 36$ one

[placid fiber]

Is it the combat axe's attacks that are fun or just how much it simplifies everything, tho?

[acoustic dune]

they know i am a whale

[subtle sentinel]

It feels like I am executing every single enemy in public with that overhead

And the special

[acoustic dune]

and i cant upgrade later on

[subtle sentinel]

Hitting their balls with that is awesome

[subtle sentinel]

It is literally just cosmetic slop nothing important

Not even all the cosmetics

There is no reason to get it

[acoustic dune]

I LOVE COSMETIC SLOP

the reason i play mordhau

[heady rapids]

its 1 champ

you probably wont ever use that due

d

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/mordhau-gun-mod-gif-22724850

[subtle sentinel]

Ultra marines come switch

[subtle sentinel]

Comes with

[carmine falcon]

holy drip

[subtle sentinel]

One skin you can't modify for one class

That's it

Every class has one premium skin you can't edit and can't use on other classes, and they are all different chapters

Ultra edition gives only 1

Which I am pretty sure u can buy on its own later

[heady rapids]

maybe

maybe not

welll its gonna be

lets se

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/plancton-gif-4547304069248189847

[heady rapids]

36 base game
+8 for season pass
+6 for the champ

[subtle sentinel]

You can't

Lmao

Holy shit

[acoustic dune]

my urge

my urge

[subtle sentinel]

6$ for one skin you can't modify on one class

Yeah, no.

[carmine falcon]

u dont need the seasons pass just buy normal

game has enough cosmetics

[subtle sentinel]

Wtf is even in the season pass

[heady rapids]

every dlc

[carmine falcon]

every single dlc till they kill support

[subtle sentinel]

Are you sure?

[heady rapids]

so far yeas

[carmine falcon]

its full access to the first year of content

[heady rapids]

idk if y2 will have its own season pass

[carmine falcon]

and its all skins

[subtle sentinel]

No, only 4 seasons

[carmine falcon]

so u miss out on 0 gameplay stuff

[subtle sentinel]

Yeah just 1 year

Yep

[heady rapids]

yeah there's no gameplay dlcs

[subtle sentinel]

It is all cosmetic stuff for certain classes that are specific chapters that you can't modify

[heady rapids]

so like whatever

[subtle sentinel]

It is lame

[heady rapids]

no

they come with armor parts colors emblems and shit also

[subtle sentinel]

You like space wolves but don't play vanguard? Get fucked you won't look the coolest possible space wolf

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-no-money-gif-24226168

[subtle sentinel]

You need literally none of them

[acoustic dune]

the drip

[subtle sentinel]

Each chapter color and emblem and some parts can be unlocked by just playing

[acoustic dune]

the drip...

[subtle sentinel]

And each class gets armor that levels up with you

Just buy the cosmetic packs on their own later

Champion packs suck

[carmine falcon]

the champs u cant modify
Everything else (colors, chapter specific part ect) is fully available for u to mix and match

[acoustic dune]

god i love mix and matching armor

[subtle sentinel]

PLAY THE DAMN GAME FIRST BEFORE YOU SPEND 100$

[subtle sentinel]

Which you can do

[carmine falcon]

space wolves have a champ

and have parts

[subtle sentinel]

Champ has a weird head

[carmine falcon]

the ONLY things u cant edit is champs

[subtle sentinel]

Buy the chapter/cosmetic packs

[carmine falcon]

everything else is editable

[subtle sentinel]

Not the season pass or ultra edition

Those are not worth it

[acoustic dune]

i gotta go watch a pootube vid to check

[subtle sentinel]

Only thing you will miss out on is the ultramarines champion pack which is meh anyway

Every dlc within the year 90% of them u won't care about really

Be responsible with monies

Hell, give it to me

[acoustic dune]

i wont let you out drip me

[subtle sentinel]

I don't play sm2 anyway

Gonna finish the campaign and uninstall

[acoustic dune]

i bought that one clunky starship trooper game

[stone fern]

anyone up for a sleepy auric?

[heady rapids]

i had fun with it tbh

then helldivers released

[acoustic dune]

worse mistake ever
but had to make the game worth the cost

[acoustic dune]

its so clunky

[subtle sentinel]

How

[subtle sentinel]

How did you make it worth

[acoustic dune]

i forced myself to grind it

[heady rapids]

i got it for 7$ and we played a bit with friends

it was pretty fun

didnt play past release

or 2nd planet

[subtle sentinel]

You know you could have just

Refunded it

[acoustic dune]

its too late

[heady rapids]

so it was pretty fun

and unique

[acoustic dune]

it is

[subtle sentinel]

Such a cool movie

[acoustic dune]

hope in the future it get less clunky

[subtle sentinel]

And they just can't make a good game

Just collab with Helldivers at this point

The bug section is literally the same thing

[acoustic dune]

recently they added cams

its a exp buff

its dog shit

[subtle sentinel]

Camsm

Cams?

[acoustic dune]

i thought you could get reinforcement from it

[acoustic dune]

camera yeah

dog shit

neat idea

but dog shit gameplay wise for how useless it is

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It does look fun to just fuck around with

Like in the movie

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i dont recommend getting it anytime soon

dont get me wrong

the concept is great

5 class

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https://tenor.com/view/bug-planet-starship-troopers-bug-gif-12807532384225501

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12 person lobby

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Not planning to

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or 16

[subtle sentinel]

Darktide is enough for me rn

[acoustic dune]

you can climb on the bugs corpse

since its a ingame mechanic

if you dont clean the corpse

the bugs can cliimb and get you

infact best mechanic ever

[subtle sentinel]

Must have been a pain to implement

[acoustic dune]

yeah
thats why game is so buggy

will wait and see it die in beta

even if its a full release

game is badly optimise

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What is adm

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Did these helmets even exist in the movie

Or could they just not make faces

[acoustic dune]

that would stink imo

faceless is a better choice

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Makes it hard to feel like the movie tho

No one there had visors

[acoustic dune]

well its a sacrafice for gameplay

or else thats a whole new ass thing to add

[plush estuary]

dog jumped the corner

😔

[neon field]

man howd they get the dogs so wrong when assassins in vermintide 2 are fine

[plush estuary]

they regress overtime

[misty nova]

Steel legion got better air suckers than Krieg

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

Unless you're Psyker

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@spare talon I hate map design

and I get far spawn

a slight dump on the group gave me airtime

and I got no dodge