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the trick seems to be to leave enough room after a swing before revving
i'm very bad at rhythm and timing so i could not begin to tell you what the timing is
lmfao
it takes time
but youll get it
u can probably rev and hold down heavy
i've tried playing rhythm games on and off my entire life, i can't do DDR or FNF or RH to save my life
i lack the internal timer
i have excellent reflexes but i can't judge a beat
@dire schooner yah u can just rev and hold down the heavy attack
itll attack the moment it can
and u can attack a little bit before ur character pulls the evis back towards you after revving
yeah it's the attack into rev that's the issue
the attack recovery is eating the next rev
ohg
Watch like this? and millions of other Warhammer 40,000: Darktide videos captured using Medal.
no i mean if you rev too soon after swinging, the swing recovery eats the rev
and so if you go straight into swinging after hitting the rev key, you just do another swing
yes, like i mentioned you just need to get the timing down, which i am semi sorta doing
u can do it !
it was a five-second throwaway observation
so now that i appear to have this rev spam technique semi-reliably down, what's the point of it again
i'm not sure what a rev does on this eviscerator if it doesn't automatically stick and chew
more damage and more cleave on chaff enemies
which is more damage and more cleave again
yeah this is what guitar hero looks like for me
ooh i see thanks
are the crits used for anything other than More Damage? because i can see this kill > crit > kill > crit chain getting stopped cold by armoured enemies who require multiple swings to put down
invocation of death
i do not see it on the talent tree?
oh wait there it is
is fast ability regen that important for Zealot?
Yup
:( we were right at the end too...
Turn that 30 seconds chastise into 22 seconds
On the first proc that is
I don't have the math on second and so on
Evis15 (Bloodthirsty) single handedly solving martyrdom CDR issues
Truly the goated weapon
i have been eating corn out of a can

help
nop
CDR?
ah, why does martyrdom have that issue?
oh i skipped that one
i'm sure there's a million things wrong with my tree
but i find i don't need the charge very often
what are you gonna use?
I'll use it for the occasional critical gap closer, like bumrushing gunners in awkward situations or jumping on objectives
or as an emergency oh-shit to recover half my toughness when i'm empty, like I do on Vet
weapon wise
martydom is mosty paired with high damage weapon with low speed
too get that crunch
best example
so far i'm still levelling masteries so it's all over the place, but the Eviscerator has felt the best out of all the Zealot-only weapons so far
the thammer
yeah i just hit 20 on the eviscerator and the thunder hammer is up next
you dont like the relic sword?
haven't tried it yet

Relic Sword for lyfe
mostly just done crusher and eviscerator so far
i picked up zealot earlier this week
just hit 30 tonight
Veteran is my main
no idea what that means
just hit that shiggy wiggy
Defences is the dump on thunder hammer, right?
Yup yup
ty
ey higui
waeeyyy only took three purchases
Sup
nice
nooby
WOW thunder hammer is really slow
the activation into maulers and the like is nice, but it's struggling to horde clear
Most of its size is due to its handle of course it’s slow 
it swings in a very narrow forward arc and kills only a few poxwalkers at a time
use heavies
Heavy spam ya
The dump on valiant is mobility still?
if you're using cruis u need to clear hordes with heavies
lights single target
charged shot for armor (or anything really)
heavies for hordes
ahh i see
i did notice that a little
only got a few minutes before the run went down the toilet
2/3 of the lobby died before the first checkpoint and i died trying to solo the ventilation maze
i like pairing it with a ranged weapon that can help with horde clear tbh cause if im playing thammer im busting elites
did it a second time, we cleared lol
Try Ironhelm if you want a more generalist version 
oh does it have multiple marks?
i assumed it was a single-mark weapon since it was a newer weapon(?) like the Boltgun and Plasma Gun
either way i haven't unlocked it, i'm only like mastery 5 so far
but i'll keep that in mind
those are all launch weapons
who tf out here using a thunderhammer to be a "generalist"
that's like using the knife just to run a bleed build to give it "horde clear"
Me because it makes carrying easier and tbh it's better than crucis in auric because it loses literally nothing but some boss damage
hey bleed knife is actually good smh
Crucis is better in Havoc because the thammer almost ONLY is useful as boss damage in Havoc because health mods
HUH?!
crucis is better at crushers as well
And Bulwarks
When I go from killing a boss in two hits to killing it in three hits in return for killing everything else in the same amount of hits but faster 
Which is to say, one
What does that even mean
I love japanese twitter
Glad you're enjoying the book it's a really good one lmao
Brunt
Has a 60 mobility evis
If anyone is into it
Oh 60 mobility lasgun too
And shredder
Gah, ammo dumped vigilant
Shop items from melk and brunt are unique to your character
Oh really?
That's lame
I guess I will move up malice
Deadly accurate and surgical are cool, damn
First heresy run, let's go
Why tf did I disconnect
And why was I missing a wound
Can't rejoin either, thanks obeseshark
Where were no modifiers
There was the low vis one
But nothing about wounds
And everyone else at least had 3
Base wounds on Heresy and Damnation is 2
If the others had 3 they were using a wound trinket or playing Ogryn
I was going to ask you if Ciaphas Cain's books were worth getting into but good heavens he has 10 novels including a bunch of short stories
He has one novel re-released 10 times
Three omnibus' PLUS one standalone
Cain the Cowardly Commissar tried to get himself a cushy posting well behind the front line. But it turned out that's where the fighting was the hardest! If he'd known ahead of time he'd have run screaming in the other direction, but the only way out is to fight, and besides he has his reputation to consider. Good thing Jurgen was around to blank out the psykers and kill things with a melta gun. Good ol' stinky Jurgen with his tablet full of pornography.
It's entertaining but it's really just that, over and over again
Which makes them still several times better than most space marine novels
Heresy drops your wounds huh, that's bullshit
I guess I gotta pick that +2 wound talent
Won't hop on heresy before I finish my build ig
The +2 wound talent
In Zealot tree
On top of martyrdom
Can't go wrong with more wounds
you can
thats my point
1: you are settting yourself up for failure
2: wounds dont make you more tanky, if you have more toughness/hp instead of wounds you migh've not gone down in the 1st place
3: less value from health stims (they only heal 1 wound, so if you had only 2 wounds thats a 50% heal)
4: the pathing to +2 isnt worth it unless you are going martyrdom
"3: less value from health stims" this is literally why tanner said marty was bad
ur mom
5: most of the time more wounds wont help
since your team sometimes cant pick you up
I can keep going
what will those wounds do if you dont get revived
yeah you can take damage or toughness dr from the tree for that point which would help more
Curios are innate character buffs that are always active, they are mainly preference.
Max Curio Main Stats
17% Toughness
21% Health
+3 Stamina (Curio rating needs to be 410+ or it won’t give +3)
- 1 Wound
I will never recommend taking extra wounds outside of taking the martyrdom keystone
THIS DOES NOT MAKE YOU MORE TANKY
Common Curio Combos
x2 Toughness
x1 Stamina
(debatably the best setup)
x1 Health
x1 Toughness
x1 Stamina
x3 Toughness
x2 Toughness
x1 Health
x3 Wounds (for martyrdom only)
Curio Perks
Like Curio main stats, the perks are up to preference but some perks are more useful than others.
Common Curio Perk combos
x3 +Toughness
x3 +Stamina regen
x3 Gunner resistance
(debatably the best setup)
x3 +Toughness
x3 +Health
x2 Gunner resistance
x1 Sniper resistance
boom
wall of text
sticker pls
I mean if you're running the one talent where 40% of damage into the next wound is reduced technically you are
almost no one uses it
But that's minimal value outside of marty and requires you to take horrible pathing
that is so niche I wont say anything
Yeah
mostly useful for crusher
There's also that more wounds means more total HP before you die of wound loss, also technically tankier
However
Just buff your toughness and maybe one HP if you feel like it so you don't go down as much in the first place
that was my point 2 and 5
Yarp
I will
If you need the extra wounds in lower difficulties then having those in higher difficulties is not going to bypass the actual problems
hi hammy
I don't think another +5 toughness talent will help more than an extra wound.
Ur lying to people ainz. Everyone knows the best setup is 1x HP, 1x Stamina and 1x Wound
besides wounds assume that your team can pick you up
Ten flamers surrounded by crushers upon ye
And yes I don't have enough confidence in myself to run around with max 2 downs
Run +1 to not cold turkey it
for practice
I am not using a wound curio or anything
Actually
It is just 1 talent point
which is not true since you dont always get picked up
Go full stamina curios and pick martyrdom
I can use a toughness one instead
hmmmm
TwoIf you're not running marty, it's two talent points
Not much else to use that point on
Which zealot already has a hard time getting the only goodies that exist in its tree already
zealot focues on damage reduction instead of high base hp or toughness
two extra points = anoint and purge 😠
but you can get extremly ttanky
You're nerfing your combat effectiveness drastically by foregoing all the good stuff for +2 wounds
crusher overhead only doing 41 damage
THE build marks it one point outside the main tree anyway
It is literally just 1 point
Stat node, then wound node
Cuz I will get the shit over it too anyway
That's two points
I will pick the stat node anyway
Why would you do that by itself
I am just following the damn tree
Ask whoever made it
I like having more chances to make mistakes.
I wonder if they are in the room
+5 toughness isn't gonna make more impact
I go down once half my HP is gone, how fun
Fuck that
The health boost is like twenty at most I think
Vs. constantly regenerating 10 toughness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQa8DC22nDc&t=6s I take a crusher overhead, only takeing 65 damage. This is because I stacked toughness with all the damage reduction zealot has
My favorite weapon
Beasts of Nurgle should not exist
What can I get instead of 2 wounds? Let's see
181 hp to 116
Post tree and tell me what weapons you're using
Wait don't tell me you're not running duelist
How about I don't
not taking duelist on zealot is reportable to the inquisition
Not yet no
That is the strongest talent in the tree debatably
Hello leggy bird
I am gonna get the keystone first
Blazing piety
And then gonna pick a bunch of other branches
Including the wounds!
Razgriz who has a couple of the top rated zealot builds over on gameslantern, has triple 21% health curios for his zealot builds. He argues it helps prevent death in emergencies when a mechanic that nukes your whole toughness bar occurs. He doesnt really go into discussion on the benefits of toughness so it left me curious.
Does adding additional toughness via 2 curios counter those toughness deleting mechanics (like the pox bursters) or is there some other arguement in favor of addded toughness over health?
Do what you like, we're just recommending good advice that will make you more tanky since that's the vision seemingly
It's your tree 
LMFAO
finished it
I can answer if no one else here can later (I'll be busy for a bit)
Gameslantern is usually not a reliable source of info.
The main thing with toughness deletion mechanics is that they're kind of all perfectly preventable
Zealot has a decent lot of things that scale with toughness, vs. about nothing that scales with health
Fury for example isn't +50 toughness, but +50% maximum toughness
Yippie I assumed you enjoyed it
Huge huge impact to have more toughness for that alone
2nd wind is 15% toughness
and If I'm not wrong Stalwart and Enduring Fairth are toughness damage reduction
so they scale with how much thoughness you have
Yes they are
meanwhile only good balence gives you health dr (and toughness)
but only one that helps with hp dr
The only thing that purely scales with health I believe is HR
When was the build made?
since hp used to have more value
so it could just be outdated
But 25% of base health is a perfectly good amount of health to survive until next HR trigger
okay, thanks for the information. That makes a whole lot of sense. im pretty new and sifting through all this info has been a big undertaking so it helps when others can give their knowledge.
He has those builds updated as of 2 weeks ago
so must just have a unique opinion on the topic of hp vs toughness curios
It's definitely hard learning this game so understandable 
If you wanted to read some simple zealot things, I have a guide
Credit to: DornIvanotic (Bald like Egg) Path (Vet Guide) Godderific (Formatting) Miss Kitty, LumenLaus, Cris, Salazar, Fryegg (For their amazing art) Cyn (Wolp, Provided Talent Tree/Flamer Insight) And me who wrote this, Ainz If you have any Input just @ or DM me and I’ll see if I can add it @...
It has some eldritch knowledge that is never said anywhere too
this can help with some tricks, and weapon/curio setups
he says as much in his build description and he seemed quite knowledgeable. theres just a ton of contradictory info on this game so it can be a lil hard to filter out the good from the bad.
ooooo hell yeah, thank you! i'm gonna go peruse it now
Thats just the nature of Tidegames sadly
since
doesnt explain anything
people research by themselves
and some times they preach wrong info
its usually not out of malice
just a factor of Darktide being made my 
Grenade tinkerer used to give stun immunity on vet
Gameslantern is a place for ALOT of outdated and wrong info
It doesn't say this anywhere until they removed it 
for quick info, the discord is a bit better
but I can also link Kuli's guide
he is the code master
is there a different place where i can find quality information or should i just rely on this discord?
he has done work in vermintide as well
Finished the train mission on malice with no downs!
It sounds elitist but mostly this Discord AFAIK
just link your own guide lil bro dont be shy
one drive
one sec
kill them
@agile maple the 1st page of my guide has the guides that are more in depth
What, do I just get every toughness related work?
but yes, info can be gotten from this discord by the regulars or by looking through these guides
Perk*
perfect, i'l check those out once im done reading through yours completely. Love the drawings. This is well-made. Glad i came in here and found you guys.
Have u guys seen the Miguel Iglesias' arts of the reject classes
They have like 3 amazing portraits for each class
Hello my favorite convicts how we doing this fine day

Got put into a match where 2 people were down, one was getting violated
Clutched twice, we lost

Level 20!
Finally got blazing piety
Does it effect the uuuh, throwing knives?
The crit boost
bros taking it at a glacial pace
why dont you boost him then huh
ask and receive
Whatever, go my free toughness generators
ogryn gameplay
Friend sent me a clip from when we played
Im the handsome fella in the background btw
REAL SHIT
I love seals they're so stupid
Make zealot the seal chat
goofy creatures
I love round the corner bursters
I think my favorite thing is during the wave defense when its oops all mutants
Just use divination to counter them simple as
So true
Holy shit i remember that
Lmao
Just got the
Just one shot a mutant with a tknife
I love tknife
Will take a break and use the stun nades for a while
So I can get the
Eyepatch
Best head cosmetic in the game glad it is easy to get
throwing knives inheret a ton of stuff. they inherit your weapons blessings so if you have Uncanny Strike stacked throwing knives can damage armor and just about 2 shot a crusher on damnation.
they can also be given infinite cleave with something like scattershot guaranteed crit + manstopper on a shotgun. They're really strong.
https://youtu.be/HLdNSUS3XDU
00:00 Gear Showcase
0:09 Scattershot + Manstopper on Zombies
0:19 Normal Throwing Knife
0:29 Throwing Knife Inheriting Manstopper and Scattershot (infinite cleave)
0:43 Throwing Knife on Carapace
0:55 Throwing Knife Inheriting Uncanny Strike 5 stack
1:05 I should have ended the video here
some of that is gimmicky, but its powerful to know and use in the right situations or builds
Throwing knives are still zealots best blitz even without these interactions
And that's not even taking into account pathing favors them too
havent played since like a year ago, is it still possible to oneshot all monstrosities with crucis stealth?
only change i saw was the powered up swing of crucis being slightly overhead now
Don't believe so
But thammer is functionally a better to use weapon
WHAT
Which weapon?
The one I am holding?
did they nerf the thammer's dmg in some way?
oh ya for sure
I have uuuh brutal momentum and headtaker on my axe
It's charge damage has been tuned down a bit but lots of its other damage was raised, the a heavy after an activation does an overhead for ease of use, and the hit stunlock for both light and heavy are fractions of what they were before
whichever you're currently holding throwing knife inhereit blessings. so if you have a dmg blessing stackign in melee and throw a knife it does more dmg, etc
when im actively in combat i regularly even finish bosses off with them that are lowish, 4-5 knifes in the head with slaughterer or something stacked on a weapon does ok dmg to almost anything lol
I killed a BON in a havoc 40 the other day that was eating our ogryn and walkign him away, throw like 8 knifes in its weak point while and finished it from like 1/4 hp lmao
The charge damage against bosses specifically btw
I think they raised it for carapace
All around not as much of a pain in the ass to use
Headtaker and brutal momentum should work then
Would it cleave through enemies if I kill with headshot
watch the video i posted, it should, but manstopper is way better
manstopper gives it infinite cleave
Brutal momentum is amazing just cleaving through the heads of horses
but its gimmicky
It doesnt
Ok so I tried out cleaver and it's fun but methinks I like club a bit more lol
well this kinda makes my matrydom build obselete then as i was playing with the thrill of worse clear for the sake of the monstrosities oneshot adrenaline, tho from what i saw in meat grinder i could still oneshot deamonhost and nurgle
Not even headtaker?
i think i kill like a 30 ragers in 1 knife in the video lol
Raised damage when I hit?
Headtaker does but not bm
Don't think the axe has that
That's fine
Headtaker is a global debuff
ah i havent tried BM on the throwing knives
I use it not on specials anyway
but manstopper is cool
Scatter is a sg blessing only
hello, I need help doing Shocking Stuff, I already got the burner but I'm having a hard time finding a group to do it with, or atleast a Zealot who's done the penance before so that I can get some guidance, I don't even know how to approach it
And manstop
How? Doesn't it raise your attack with each attack
It is a buff
ya you see in the video i have a shotgun equipped for the parts with the infinite cleave.
I use the knife to showcase uncanny (give Tknives armor pen)
Gah shotgun
Trust me it's much more fun to have a usable weapon and usable build that nukes bosses without sandbagging for the other 99.9% of the mission
It takes 1 more hit to kill without a min max build that sucks every other moment
That's like 3 seconds at most
you still have just about the best boss damage in the game, a couple other things come close now - its just not a 1 shot
like cole said the useability in general being tuned up is way better
Surgical + deadly accurate are great but I barely get to use it lmao
I aim down by the time it charges up someone else either killed the guy or the boss or whatever moved somewhere further I cant get a shot off
In havoc 40 boss damage is vastly desired due to how many bosses spawn (common to have 3 at once even when manipulating progression to limit how many are up at once) with massive health pools of up to 100k hp, and no weapon does it better than thammer even still
But if thammer didn't get updated
No one would use it still even there cuz you sucking at everything else won't cut it, you won't be alive to kill the bosses to begin with
ya my group literally wiped to 6 at once last night and we didnt even push hard (pogryn, CS, captain, twins) and as we were wiping a DH ritual that we couldn't get to spawned on the last member, literally 6 bosses lol first time i had seen that many at once, i wish i was recording lol
Tbh you can't get that many without a multitrigger so it was still too much progression
whats the max amount that can spawn on a single trigger
at least one
erm aktually thats not tru ironhelm was perfectly fine before the update
the issue with ironhelm was the ASS carapace adm
blunt weapon
super charged with blah blah blah
did less damage than an axe
Anti material weapon casually mogged by lumberjack tool
Rashad is a power axe
IT DOESNT TURN ON 😭
Power?
More like
Strength
its broken 😭
Am I right fellas?
read up noob
The actual miniature they pulled the look from (some GSC biker unit) has it labeled as a power axe
its a broken power axe 😭
thats like using a chainaxe as a club
just like the unpowered power sword still cuts like a sword
but it shouldnt cut through concrete like a powered sword 😭
yeah it's a sword
clad execution may 20th
thank u
PLEASE
ADVANCEDLAMB ISNT EVEN ON 😭
I'd hardly classify the unpowered power sword a weapon lmao
that shit is ass
unlike relic which is good in both
Power or not power
Rashad is low-key broken and not talked about that much
it's talked about all the time
Fun Fact: I, the healing class am casually out tanking the melee in our calamity run
shhh shhhhh shhh
both are regular ass double edged swords when unpowered
Heal mogged
forgettaboutit
bro is deaf
rashad is perfectly balanced
Cal tank is fucked up right now, I face tanked fucking daylight empress on tier
Sorry Ironhelm virgin,, the power axe chad gets the girl ADM
itll be so broken ds4 would be looked at for balance
Well yes
Then you put the totally fair and balanced blessing on it and it's broken beyond repair

give it a week
not even powercreep anymore
powergangstalking
if im not mistaken rashad performs better on vet maybe think w right build it could 1 or 2 tap crushers
power creep would make it peak balance
ye kinda
i was invited at Fatshark last week
i still mourn everyday the absolute neutering they did on ogryns shovel BM
they're buffing the ds on may 22th
they're also making 2 new rending blessings
Now imagine getting pocketed by a Thorium Healer that scales with calamity
We felt Ironhelm's carapace damage and speed was performing too well, stunlock reverted and nerfed to two seconds
give shredder auto pistol uncanny 
blocked
imma be real i didnt think ironhelm was that bad before the mini rework
there was two issues with it
thunnder hammers should still also get sunder
chastise being rending instead of armor downgrade made it do less carapace damage than before
My only problem with it was crusher and mauler damage tbh
They made it better and I was happying
and AND sprinting caused the combo to reset in a very akward animation
@obsidian prairie my friends had to nerf my healing out put by 75% and I’m still tanking via healing
Until I realized it was useless in havoc and mortis
Lowkey preferred this
give all power weapons power cycler aswell
blocked
Let you reset to H1 H2 mid combo
i legit reported it like 3 times
Another Shock and Awe L
They are buffing me for the update, just me specifically, they will make me good at the game
you can just do a light attack
Imagine if ironhelm got sunder
So you could cleave specialists gunners and shotgunners
sprinting made the most akward animation reset
no way this was intentional
this was crusher
Potential yummersing activation
Ironically enough I think its trash cleave ought to be buffed just a little too
Unless they wanna make thrust basekit on thammer so we can take cleave blessing 
what exactly is havoc 40 and is crucis viable there? havent played since a year ago
its viable but more suited for a coordinated team tho
because of worse mixed horde clear?
yea
also what hav 40 is in a summary is imagine the worse auric mael youever played right then amplify that about about 5x as much cock and ball torture and sprinkle in a lot more monstros and the twins and now captains
what are the one man carry meta builds nowadays? a special killer ranged with a really good mixed horde melee?
oh i see
all with unique to that mode modifers aswell
dont think theres a 1 man carry build
unless you mean the forbidden tech
old havoc 40 was soloable new idk probably but would just take much longer
you mean for havoc 40? because it was fairly possible with a lot of setups for auric maels before if you sweated enough
Anyways
Duelist Sword Flamer
i dont think auric maelstrom is comparable to h40 at all
yeah havent played in a year so i am slowly making my way to havoc 40 which seems like the hardest atm?
relics good but its mobility would hurt a lot for soloing
crafting also seems to have changed, sub-stats and blessings dont lock anymore? and you unlock blessings with mastery?
thats what i got from looking at the menus
yes
what about weapon power or whatever the number and base weapon stat rolls were called
dueling sword shroudfield zealot 💀
still buy from shop till a good one?
doesnt matter everything can be refined all the way to 500 anyway
just have to buy a base that has what ever you wants dumpstat at max potential of 60
is that also new? because i dont remember that being a thing before
as i also have old bulk buy mods etc
for buying a weapon over a certain power
Good
Stand your ground

max you can roll is still 80% on 4 stats + 60 on 5th?
% might be from an old mod i have
so i can refine this to 500 now?
yes
bad evil even the max pen youll ever have on that is only going to be 64
Yes there is
Stealth DS/Knife Flamer
ye ik, was too bored of shop gameplay and settled for 4% off
you want to buy them untill you see a one that has defences that second number on the right at 60
then just throw money at hadron
i mentioned it no?
Idk discord just opened on your comment
For some reason
this was enough to oneshot monstrosities before so i didnt bother buying one with better pen
is it the empower? its mastery is 17 so i'll sac some items later
yes
empower is what increases base states and over all power score refine is for perks my b
theres a sacrifice mod you can get that skips the consecrate -> sacrifice
gottem
@real sonnet i think i remember playing a game w u and a.a the other week
Well yea I do play H40 often
so shroudfield zealot with ds flamer is a good build?
Absolutely, the only real 1 man solo carry build
This is the only build that can complete any map alone
can i see the talent page
There are variations but like the most important stuff is to have until death, blazing piety, flamer, I'd also really suggest that for ONLY this build, you actually run thy wrath be swift
If you're running DS, make sure to have Thrust
If you're running knife, make sure to have precog
Oh yeah and very important, have both Invocation of Death AND The backsrab cooldown talent
curios?
Could be 3 toughness, You can add either 1-2 stam curios as well, up to you really
ok
Make sure you have at least x2 Combat ability cooldown (3 is good too)
Very suggested to run 2 gunner curios
And the rest either a combination of sprint efficiency / stamina regeneration / block efficiency blah blah all that to your liking
(but toughness as perk is good too)
You mean for a build without invocation of death?
with iod
With IoD I'd say too
he says blazing piety
those are 1.2s for 3 of them on invocation of death
Flamer allows you to keep it up nearly always ya
minimal affect
It is minimal, but I feel that other stuff aren't gonna be that useful that You aren't already running
ordo dockets my beloved
So might as well have that 1-2 second hand up
Toughness? health? Yeah minimal <.<
Health is absolutely minimal with Until Death
I did say you can run toughness as well yea
3x combat ability regeneration for 1.2s does not seem like a good deal
id rather do sprint efficiency or tough then combat ability regen tho yea
Sounds reasonable
That's all it is, because with invocation of death cdr perks get 1/3rd the amount total
Stay invisible 95% of the game
You warn to learn how to do a double attack while invis
in havoc 40?
Yea
I mean it's not really
Gonna be possible to do that if
You have teammates
But if solo, you stay invis 95% of the game
also doubt its one of the better if not best but it absolutely is doable w other classes and weapons
I believe 3x Ability Regen with IoD ended up being a little less than one second saved
From what I remember having tested
There are some minigames that makes it impossible
it's 3.6s divided by 3
ogryn taunt is also possible now that it has multiple pulses
That's a good point
Forgot bout Big man rework
But gunners could ehhhh fuck you up
More consistently
i guess this stealth build is for solo play only
ypud be getting a ton of toughness back from the taunt aswell
any big changes i should do? i intentionally went for as much invis damage as i can while keeping some survivability
The cycle is simple:
- Charge an attack
- Release the attack
- Activate invis
- The released attack from step 2 kills the Target with a backstab
- Make sure to stay invis for the whole 5s
- Right before it ends, hit another backstab killing another target
- Kite the very few remaining seconds
Repeat from Step 1
wouldnt do marty
yeah just for solo play
but i like being on edge 

which weapon are you using?
So you like the edge play
wait...
I really should try Shroudfield but in Havoc with a group, I wanna be called an asshole for dumping aggro >:3
crucis with zarona revolver
this is from my setup a year ago
yeah if i had shroudfield in my setup i will be spending half my day in the party finder
And I prefer not being dead but to each their own
Gottem
That's why you gotta be the host

i dont run shroudfield
did couple regular damnation and then couple auric maels to get used to the game again a year break but i didnt really die except in first 1-2 damnation runs
i will be willing to drop marty if i really keep dying in havoc
No amount of tdr will help you from chip damage, or being landlocked cuz of bad mobility (ij superiority)
cant know before trying 
i think the game puts you at havoc 16 after clearing auric maelstrom
Martyr is fun to play once in a while to stat check a match but IJ or piety is better
Martyrdom is better the better you are but you’ve got no real safety
And fold way easier to bullshit
i haven fully read either yet after coming back, on paper does either give more dmg then fully active matry?
Marty is always 1 burster you're pushing rhat your idiot vet or ogryn shoots away from a down
But you won’t be one hit away from death at all times
Or barrel, or one poxwalker that spawns behind you 
Poo-dr
If you can avoid that barrel burster or walker you absolutely shit on the match
But if you get clipped just wrong it’s over
but you can style on deamonhosts 
before they even wake up
id never
You can do that with a bolter
A good DoD headshot burst is half their hp
Then it’s just cleanup
no clue what that is but still wouldnt be as clean as insta death with no hp bar popping up
love the thammer 
1 hit kill against bosses is a meme setup
i dont think you can one shot dh in havoc
does the boss hp scale if so oof
as i heard and tested after that thammer boss dmg was tuned down
can only oneshot deamonhost and nurgle now
rest survives
in meat grinder
i dont remember the exact hidden modifiers but the enemies get super meaty
By 1.8x iirc

Plague ogryns have more than 100,000 hp
just go fotf and piety or inexorable judgment
all Havoc 40 modifiers
1.50x More elite HP
2.00x More Elites
1.50x More special HP
+6 Max Specials
+3 Monsters, 1.70x More HP
3.20x horde Mass, 1.35x More HP
hordes 2.40x More often
2.00x More Ogryns
2.00x Faster Enemy melee Attack Speed
30% Corruption Damage from melee
2.25x More Shots Per shooter Barrage, +30% Faster ranged Enemy Attack Speed
1.85x Terror Event Points (the allowance for "fuck you die" multi event spawns, this is where you will get stuff like 2 bosses spawning at once, a captain and a normal monstrosity)
1.50x Higher Melee Damage recieved
-50% Toughness Regen Speed
-45 base Toughness
-35% base HP
-85% Vent Speed
-50% Ammo from pickups
Oh nice I didn't know they had that on there
what are terror event points
is that just something that builds up when you have no bosses for a while
It's the oh shit moments where the game director is clearly trying to kill you, typically with a large number of bosses + hordes and specials
Chances of the director throwing everything at you at once
In Havoc the most common one being captain + non weak monstrosity
didnt even know that was a thing lol
Neither did I before Havoc
i just see them spawn and then its whatever
I wish they removed the blight modifier
It's so fucking annoying
Like the last 4 from 2.0 were THE BEST they ever made
And then decide to polute it with 1.0 modifiers
because some weapons have different stats is there any guide etc for what to get 60% on each weapon for crafting?
yes its in this channel
Yeah
Well everyone agrees 4th modifiers should not be a thing
2 modifiers + Emperor's Fading Light is what everyone likes
No one likes the 4th annoying modifier
i just skip them entirely
But again idk why Fatshark decided to do this
"every 3rd week we'll be swapping modifiers from Havoc yay"
Without reworking the previous ones
I'll NOT play veteran during the hard pus weeks
play recon
play melee vet
Melee Psyker
is there any new mod for target buying stat % ? one i had from past was for buy until rating
but seems like rating doesnt matter anymore
ehhh
you dont even need a mod considering you can do it in maybe 10-15 weps
every weapon has max rolls now
you just need to get a 60 in the dump stat
is it easier now? i remember buying hundreds and hundreds of weapons before
for both rating and %
no you just buy one that has a 60 in the stat you dont want
so auto discord on the mod was pretty useful
i was asking this before too but is there any guide for which stat is bad for each weapon?
yes
its in this channel
Generally, it's Mobility unless a weapon has Defense, then it's that; For warp weapons, it's Warp Resistance(Except the Voikstrike which is Blast Radius iirc)
i was looking, didnt realize it was in compendia
last time when you said its in this channel
as there are a lot of pinned messages
well thats why its called the compendia
get them to green and use them for mastery
Been a while since I played but gonna gonna guess that the Dueling Sword is still the meta for this class?
it's stupidly op still but RB's prob more the meta
Oh? I remember it being inferior to the Dueling Sword last I played, but I guess some more testing has been done then? Would that be a Fury build then?
typically yeah
problem with DS is no horde clear, esp the higher you go
Flamer literally exists wdym
me when infinite cleave
is flamer a DS? last time i checked they were separate weapons
😭
The little hop
But yeah afaik every enemy has a little jump
Have you seen a BoN doing parkour

Genuinely scary
you could win duels with a flamethrower, and it's a pretty blunt crappy shitty sword, but could be used as one 🤔
Yeah but its a bit disingenuous to say relic blade is more meta than ds because despite ds being better in every other catagory, it has a weakness. that weakness can be overcome by one of the best weapons for that weakness in the game that you can pair with it
whar
Ds is as busted as it is because it does nearly everything so well, and the things it doesn't can be covered up by other things that do those things so well
what's disingenuous is bringing up Y weapon when we're talking about X weapon
it's like saying hword has no problem with carapace because you can just take bolter
yes, DS is busted, yes there are ways to overcome its poor horde clear, and yes, i was just talking about DS in a vacuum because that's what the question was about
I mean you gotta sit there and realize DS can drop packs of crushers with one heavy poke in under like what 5 seconds
That shit is stupid
Thammer at least has the draw back of the long wind ups between heavy special hits
DS just does it naturally in under a second for one crusher
Bolter isn't as affordable to use on every single crusher or mauler you come across, as flamer is to use on the select few (or less xd) threats that DS can't deal with quickly
flamer's an ammo hog too lol
that’s a more macro discussion of meta
taking more of the build into account
talking about a single weapon
doesn’t include ur ranged
i don't ever using flamer for horde clear, unless it's a really bad mixed horde or i know the team is willing to give me a lot of ammo
it’s like saying dclaw isn’t bad at armor because revolver or bolter
Unless it’s havoc ds horde clear Is just click head
like yeah, you can make up for its weakness
ey ey people
almost every build in the game is making up for its own weaknesses
I’ve never struggled with hordes on da ds
relic is ridiculously unwieldy its not the same as hold M1 for giga damage
I'm bored so I'm gonna make a strawman out of someone
is it competitive ?
me me me
pls dont mention ironhelm ill get mad for real tho
Saying that a weapon is more meta than another weapon without saying specifically what that means, means it's a macro discussion that takes everything in
At the same time, I don't think you can really say something is micro meta even if you did specify because that doesn't make sense
Meta is every factor accumulated into determining the best possible choice
Can you make a voodoo doll of me and like bend it's back real far
Need to get a good crack
that’s also true
both parties are at fault
that is my verdict
i am correct
yeah
fence sitter...........
oh don’t worry clad i’m not on the fence about you at all.
teeeheeee
oh noooo 😭
😭
i’m KIDDING
im gonna jump off the fence now
but it was funny
Can you send this
dawg its a sticker just copy it
no.
no
open discord in html
He doesn't have a right click clearly
Thank you
use tineye
https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/kiDMOrpJOqEu8Y08N?invite=cr-MSxJdGksMTk0NjM5OTEy @hard nexus
Watch Fly high and millions of other HELLDIVERS 2 videos captured using Medal.
virus
fuck you
Medal is a virus yeah its taking up 1/4 of my hard drive from accidentally pressing the button
I lie on a throne of momentum+shock&awe ironhelms
Do not question me
you are not allowed to use ironhelm
i am banning you from using MY weapon
I shilled Ironhelm before it was even good
I defended my child when it could only cleave three groaners
🚬 i played ironhelm before u got darktide
i spent ~10mil on ironhelm when fatshark was a sharkegg
did u forget to shorten the clip
tineye fucking sucks
google reverse image search is so much better
wrong
tineye has never helped me before
doesn't work half the time
skill issue
ironic.
how good is sprint efficiency on curios?
meh
not bad on vet
but mediocre on zealot
wait whar the fuck
block efficiency?
in the app it's edited but it only sends the non edited version
is that ass too?
yes
id go toughness gunners hp for everything tbh
maybe swap out hp for bombers or snipers
the fortnite darth vader AI has made me feel sadness shit is ass
I'll DM it
kk
ours was saying slurs and shit
😔
WHAT
spidey sense in fortnite?
When I'm in the final circle and my ai darth vader teammate starts talking about white genocide in south africa
he's also racist despite understanding different languages
he uinderstands you but will always comment on you talking in anything non english
I think the worst part of all this is that it's James Earl Jones' voice saying this shit
it's so fucking vile
yeah he signed a contract with lucasfilm
can't believe the imperium was right, abhor the abominable intelligence
what are the best damage perks to have on a thunder hammer?
Yeah
carapace unyielding or unyielding flak for curcius
I have a guide with stuff for that in the pins
that was 3 years ago damn
for ironhelm im partial to elite unyielding but flak unyielding is meta
i hope when i die there's an ai made of me that will still inhabit my discord server
maniac????
Why is Darth Vader using the J slur, this is getting out of hand 🤮🤢
🙏
https://fixvx.com/i/status/1923359070628507774
this is fucking surreal
its the same thing as with victor in phantom liberty
the og voice actor died so they asked the family if they could use his voice in the dlc with ai
Well done Hatsune Miku - Vader 2025
Me watching in horror as Vader starts going on about Agartha and the Aryan Race
what is fortnite
i lost the one where he calls peter a real family guy
book of boba deez nutz
I wouldnt mind playing purple yellow red + fading 
there should be pox gas + lights out modifier
The consequences of unrestricted AI and the denizens of the Internet
I know this is just crazy though
On the good side they clearly cannot fix it so they'll probably never do it agian lmfaooo
it's a thing that will only have that much impact the first time you do it
He’s been dropping slurs
I think the dumbest one I’ve seen is him casually calling Miku a Thug


