#zealot-class

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dire schooner
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nope recovery from the swing still eats the rev

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the trick seems to be to leave enough room after a swing before revving

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i'm very bad at rhythm and timing so i could not begin to tell you what the timing is

hard nexus
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it takes time

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but youll get it

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u can probably rev and hold down heavy

dire schooner
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i've tried playing rhythm games on and off my entire life, i can't do DDR or FNF or RH to save my life

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i lack the internal timer

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i have excellent reflexes but i can't judge a beat

hard nexus
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itll attack the moment it can

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and u can attack a little bit before ur character pulls the evis back towards you after revving

dire schooner
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yeah it's the attack into rev that's the issue

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the attack recovery is eating the next rev

hard nexus
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ohg

dire schooner
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no i mean if you rev too soon after swinging, the swing recovery eats the rev

hard nexus
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ohg

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idk i dont really have that issue

dire schooner
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and so if you go straight into swinging after hitting the rev key, you just do another swing

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yes, like i mentioned you just need to get the timing down, which i am semi sorta doing

hard nexus
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u can do it !

dire schooner
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it was a five-second throwaway observation

hard nexus
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fair

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sry i was born yesterday

dire schooner
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so now that i appear to have this rev spam technique semi-reliably down, what's the point of it again

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i'm not sure what a rev does on this eviscerator if it doesn't automatically stick and chew

hard nexus
hard nexus
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and u can spam bloodthirsty

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for crits

hard nexus
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which is more damage and more cleave again

dire schooner
dire schooner
dire schooner
# hard nexus for crits

are the crits used for anything other than More Damage? because i can see this kill > crit > kill > crit chain getting stopped cold by armoured enemies who require multiple swings to put down

dire schooner
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i do not see it on the talent tree?

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oh wait there it is

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is fast ability regen that important for Zealot?

misty nova
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Yup

hearty nebula
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:( we were right at the end too...

misty nova
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Turn that 30 seconds chastise into 22 seconds

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On the first proc that is

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I don't have the math on second and so on

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Evis15 (Bloodthirsty) single handedly solving martyrdom CDR issues

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Truly the goated weapon

acoustic dune
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i have been eating corn out of a can

misty nova
acoustic dune
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help

hearty nebula
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nop

hearty nebula
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for ability

dire schooner
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ah, why does martyrdom have that issue?

hearty nebula
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read martyrdom's CDR talent

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you take damage

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to get your ablity back

acoustic dune
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in short

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you dont want to lose health

hearty nebula
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^

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more than necessary, at least

dire schooner
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oh i skipped that one

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i'm sure there's a million things wrong with my tree

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but i find i don't need the charge very often

acoustic dune
dire schooner
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I'll use it for the occasional critical gap closer, like bumrushing gunners in awkward situations or jumping on objectives

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or as an emergency oh-shit to recover half my toughness when i'm empty, like I do on Vet

acoustic dune
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weapon wise

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martydom is mosty paired with high damage weapon with low speed

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too get that crunch

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best example

dire schooner
# acoustic dune weapon wise

so far i'm still levelling masteries so it's all over the place, but the Eviscerator has felt the best out of all the Zealot-only weapons so far

acoustic dune
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the thammer

dire schooner
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yeah i just hit 20 on the eviscerator and the thunder hammer is up next

acoustic dune
dire schooner
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haven't tried it yet

acoustic dune
maiden tulip
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Relic Sword for lyfe

acoustic dune
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with dump ddamage

dire schooner
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mostly just done crusher and eviscerator so far

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i picked up zealot earlier this week

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just hit 30 tonight

acoustic dune
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now

dire schooner
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Veteran is my main

acoustic dune
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hit that shiggy wiggy

dire schooner
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no idea what that means

acoustic dune
dire schooner
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again, no idea what that means

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i don't understand those words

acoustic dune
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man is not hitting that shiggy wiggy

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smh

dire schooner
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Defences is the dump on thunder hammer, right?

misty nova
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Yup yup

dire schooner
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ty

acoustic dune
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ey higui

dire schooner
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waeeyyy only took three purchases

misty nova
acoustic dune
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the guy aint hitting that shiggy wiggy

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hit him with the shiggy wiggy

acoustic dune
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nice

modern lintel
dire schooner
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WOW thunder hammer is really slow

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the activation into maulers and the like is nice, but it's struggling to horde clear

steel agate
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Most of its size is due to its handle of course it’s slow KEKW_ogryn

dire schooner
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it swings in a very narrow forward arc and kills only a few poxwalkers at a time

north sedge
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use heavies

steel agate
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Heavy spam ya

subtle sentinel
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The dump on valiant is mobility still?

carmine falcon
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if you're using cruis u need to clear hordes with heavies

steel agate
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Lights are for single targets

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Since they’re all strikedown

carmine falcon
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lights single target
charged shot for armor (or anything really)
heavies for hordes

dire schooner
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ahh i see

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i did notice that a little

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only got a few minutes before the run went down the toilet

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2/3 of the lobby died before the first checkpoint and i died trying to solo the ventilation maze

carmine falcon
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i like pairing it with a ranged weapon that can help with horde clear tbh cause if im playing thammer im busting elites

hearty nebula
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dire schooner
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oh does it have multiple marks?

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i assumed it was a single-mark weapon since it was a newer weapon(?) like the Boltgun and Plasma Gun

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either way i haven't unlocked it, i'm only like mastery 5 so far

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but i'll keep that in mind

north sedge
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those are all launch weapons

tame sluice
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that's like using the knife just to run a bleed build to give it "horde clear"

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analog ember
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hey bleed knife is actually good smh

tame sluice
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losing boss damage on the "is only good at boss damage" melee

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hmmmm

visual stream
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Crucis is better in Havoc because the thammer almost ONLY is useful as boss damage in Havoc because health mods

north sedge
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crucis is better at crushers as well

mild sparrow
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And Bulwarks

visual stream
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Which is to say, one

stone fern
subtle sentinel
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What does that even mean

subtle sentinel
median steeple
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Glad you're enjoying the book it's a really good one lmao

subtle sentinel
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Brunt

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Has a 60 mobility evis

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If anyone is into it

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Oh 60 mobility lasgun too

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And shredder

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Gah, ammo dumped vigilant

violet hornet
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Shop items from melk and brunt are unique to your character

subtle sentinel
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Oh really?

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That's lame

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I guess I will move up malice

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Deadly accurate and surgical are cool, damn

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First heresy run, let's go

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Why tf did I disconnect

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And why was I missing a wound

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Can't rejoin either, thanks obeseshark

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Where were no modifiers

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There was the low vis one

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But nothing about wounds

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And everyone else at least had 3

misty ravine
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If the others had 3 they were using a wound trinket or playing Ogryn

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misty ravine
visual stream
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Three omnibus' PLUS one standalone

misty ravine
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Cain the Cowardly Commissar tried to get himself a cushy posting well behind the front line. But it turned out that's where the fighting was the hardest! If he'd known ahead of time he'd have run screaming in the other direction, but the only way out is to fight, and besides he has his reputation to consider. Good thing Jurgen was around to blank out the psykers and kill things with a melta gun. Good ol' stinky Jurgen with his tablet full of pornography.

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It's entertaining but it's really just that, over and over again

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Which makes them still several times better than most space marine novels

subtle sentinel
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Heresy drops your wounds huh, that's bullshit

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I guess I gotta pick that +2 wound talent

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Won't hop on heresy before I finish my build ig

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The +2 wound talent

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In Zealot tree

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On top of martyrdom

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Can't go wrong with more wounds

plush estuary
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you can

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thats my point

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1: you are settting yourself up for failure

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2: wounds dont make you more tanky, if you have more toughness/hp instead of wounds you migh've not gone down in the 1st place

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3: less value from health stims (they only heal 1 wound, so if you had only 2 wounds thats a 50% heal)

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4: the pathing to +2 isnt worth it unless you are going martyrdom

stone fern
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"3: less value from health stims" this is literally why tanner said marty was bad

plush estuary
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ur mom

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5: most of the time more wounds wont help

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since your team sometimes cant pick you up

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I can keep going

frosty herald
stone fern
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yeah you can take damage or toughness dr from the tree for that point which would help more

plush estuary
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Curios are innate character buffs that are always active, they are mainly preference.

Max Curio Main Stats
17% Toughness
21% Health
+3 Stamina (Curio rating needs to be 410+ or it won’t give +3)

  • 1 Wound
    I will never recommend taking extra wounds outside of taking the martyrdom keystone
    THIS DOES NOT MAKE YOU MORE TANKY

Common Curio Combos
x2 Toughness
x1 Stamina
(debatably the best setup)

x1 Health
x1 Toughness
x1 Stamina

x3 Toughness

x2 Toughness
x1 Health

x3 Wounds (for martyrdom only)

Curio Perks
Like Curio main stats, the perks are up to preference but some perks are more useful than others.

Common Curio Perk combos
x3 +Toughness
x3 +Stamina regen
x3 Gunner resistance
(debatably the best setup)

x3 +Toughness
x3 +Health
x2 Gunner resistance
x1 Sniper resistance

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boom

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wall of text

stone fern
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sticker pls

visual stream
visual stream
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But that's minimal value outside of marty and requires you to take horrible pathing

plush estuary
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that is so niche I wont say anything

visual stream
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Yeah

frosty herald
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mostly useful for crusher

visual stream
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There's also that more wounds means more total HP before you die of wound loss, also technically tankier

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However

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Just buff your toughness and maybe one HP if you feel like it so you don't go down as much in the first place

plush estuary
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that was my point 2 and 5

visual stream
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Yarp

subtle sentinel
stable cypress
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If you need the extra wounds in lower difficulties then having those in higher difficulties is not going to bypass the actual problems

plush estuary
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hi hammy

subtle sentinel
obsidian ore
stone fern
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besides wounds assume that your team can pick you up

visual stream
subtle sentinel
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And yes I don't have enough confidence in myself to run around with max 2 downs

plush estuary
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and thats fine

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then run +1 wound curio

visual stream
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Run +1 to not cold turkey it

plush estuary
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for practice

subtle sentinel
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I am not using a wound curio or anything

obsidian ore
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Actually

subtle sentinel
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It is just 1 talent point

stone fern
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which is not true since you dont always get picked up

obsidian ore
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Go full stamina curios and pick martyrdom

subtle sentinel
plush estuary
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hmmmm

subtle sentinel
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There aren't that many talents that give toughness

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And they are like +5 or smth

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subtle sentinel
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Not much else to use that point on

visual stream
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Which zealot already has a hard time getting the only goodies that exist in its tree already

plush estuary
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zealot focues on damage reduction instead of high base hp or toughness

stone fern
plush estuary
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but you can get extremly ttanky

visual stream
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You're nerfing your combat effectiveness drastically by foregoing all the good stuff for +2 wounds

plush estuary
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crusher overhead only doing 41 damage

subtle sentinel
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THE build marks it one point outside the main tree anyway

subtle sentinel
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subtle sentinel
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Cuz I will get the shit over it too anyway

visual stream
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That's two points

subtle sentinel
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I will pick the stat node anyway

visual stream
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Why would you do that by itself

subtle sentinel
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I am just following the damn tree

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Ask whoever made it

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I like having more chances to make mistakes.

plush estuary
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I wonder if they are in the room

subtle sentinel
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+5 toughness isn't gonna make more impact

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I go down once half my HP is gone, how fun

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Fuck that

visual stream
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The health boost is like twenty at most I think

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Vs. constantly regenerating 10 toughness

plush estuary
subtle sentinel
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What can I get instead of 2 wounds? Let's see

plush estuary
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181 hp to 116

subtle sentinel
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Uuuh +20 damage when no stamina sure

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Weakspot damage when I dodge

visual stream
visual stream
subtle sentinel
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How about I don't

stable cypress
subtle sentinel
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Not yet no

visual stream
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That is the strongest talent in the tree debatably

hushed knoll
subtle sentinel
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I am gonna get the keystone first

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subtle sentinel
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Blazing piety

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And then gonna pick a bunch of other branches

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Including the wounds!

agile maple
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Razgriz who has a couple of the top rated zealot builds over on gameslantern, has triple 21% health curios for his zealot builds. He argues it helps prevent death in emergencies when a mechanic that nukes your whole toughness bar occurs. He doesnt really go into discussion on the benefits of toughness so it left me curious.

Does adding additional toughness via 2 curios counter those toughness deleting mechanics (like the pox bursters) or is there some other arguement in favor of addded toughness over health?

visual stream
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Do what you like, we're just recommending good advice that will make you more tanky since that's the vision seemingly

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It's your tree nomnomnom

copper hawk
plush estuary
visual stream
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Zealot has a decent lot of things that scale with toughness, vs. about nothing that scales with health

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Fury for example isn't +50 toughness, but +50% maximum toughness

median steeple
visual stream
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Huge huge impact to have more toughness for that alone

plush estuary
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2nd wind is 15% toughness

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and If I'm not wrong Stalwart and Enduring Fairth are toughness damage reduction

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so they scale with how much thoughness you have

visual stream
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Yes they are

plush estuary
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meanwhile only good balence gives you health dr (and toughness)

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but only one that helps with hp dr

visual stream
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The only thing that purely scales with health I believe is HR

plush estuary
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When was the build made?

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since hp used to have more value

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so it could just be outdated

visual stream
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But 25% of base health is a perfectly good amount of health to survive until next HR trigger

agile maple
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okay, thanks for the information. That makes a whole lot of sense. im pretty new and sifting through all this info has been a big undertaking so it helps when others can give their knowledge.

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He has those builds updated as of 2 weeks ago

plush estuary
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interesting

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he might be using old data

agile maple
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so must just have a unique opinion on the topic of hp vs toughness curios

plush estuary
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but health has way less value then toughnes for all classes

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yeah

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plush estuary
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If you wanted to read some simple zealot things, I have a guide

visual stream
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It has some eldritch knowledge that is never said anywhere too

plush estuary
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this can help with some tricks, and weapon/curio setups

agile maple
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he says as much in his build description and he seemed quite knowledgeable. theres just a ton of contradictory info on this game so it can be a lil hard to filter out the good from the bad.

agile maple
plush estuary
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Thats just the nature of Tidegames sadly

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since fatshark doesnt explain anything

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people research by themselves

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and some times they preach wrong info

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its usually not out of malice

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just a factor of Darktide being made my fatshark

visual stream
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Grenade tinkerer used to give stun immunity on vet

plush estuary
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Gameslantern is a place for ALOT of outdated and wrong info

visual stream
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It doesn't say this anywhere until they removed it kek

plush estuary
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for quick info, the discord is a bit better

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but I can also link Kuli's guide

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he is the code master

agile maple
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is there a different place where i can find quality information or should i just rely on this discord?

plush estuary
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he has done work in vermintide as well

subtle sentinel
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Finished the train mission on malice with no downs!

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stone fern
plush estuary
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already did

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but I dont explain in depth

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mine is just a quick look over

stone fern
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one drive

plush estuary
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one sec

stone fern
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ONEDRIVE

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😭

stable cypress
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kill them

stone fern
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im gonna kms

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i cant...

plush estuary
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@agile maple the 1st page of my guide has the guides that are more in depth

subtle sentinel
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What, do I just get every toughness related work?

plush estuary
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but yes, info can be gotten from this discord by the regulars or by looking through these guides

subtle sentinel
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Perk*

agile maple
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perfect, i'l check those out once im done reading through yours completely. Love the drawings. This is well-made. Glad i came in here and found you guys.

plush estuary
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the artists did an amazing job

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by Miss Kitty

subtle sentinel
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Have u guys seen the Miguel Iglesias' arts of the reject classes

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They have like 3 amazing portraits for each class

visual stream
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Ohh the ones at the top of the trees

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Yeah they're sick, good personality

ivory marlin
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Hello my favorite convicts how we doing this fine day

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subtle sentinel
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Got put into a match where 2 people were down, one was getting violated

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Clutched twice, we lost

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Level 20!

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Finally got blazing piety

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Does it effect the uuuh, throwing knives?

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The crit boost

stone fern
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yes

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everything effects throwing knives

modern lintel
stone fern
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why dont you boost him then huh

modern lintel
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ask and receive

stone fern
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hes new he doesnt know how nice you are :3

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you should offer

sullen forge
median steeple
modern lintel
ivory marlin
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Im the handsome fella in the background btw

hearty nebula
signal spoke
median steeple
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I love seals they're so stupid

signal spoke
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Make zealot the seal chat

median steeple
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goofy creatures

signal spoke
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Tsuki yearns to the pipes

ivory marlin
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I think my favorite thing is during the wave defense when its oops all mutants

median steeple
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Just use divination to counter them simple as

ivory marlin
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So true

subtle sentinel
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Lmao

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Just got the

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Just one shot a mutant with a tknife

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I love tknife

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Will take a break and use the stun nades for a while

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So I can get the

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Eyepatch

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Best head cosmetic in the game glad it is easy to get

pale spindle
misty nova
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That's me when Yremisswhatever got me angry

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I should still kill every space elf

red mesa
# subtle sentinel Does it effect the uuuh, throwing knives?

throwing knives inheret a ton of stuff. they inherit your weapons blessings so if you have Uncanny Strike stacked throwing knives can damage armor and just about 2 shot a crusher on damnation.
they can also be given infinite cleave with something like scattershot guaranteed crit + manstopper on a shotgun. They're really strong.
https://youtu.be/HLdNSUS3XDU

00:00 Gear Showcase
0:09 Scattershot + Manstopper on Zombies
0:19 Normal Throwing Knife
0:29 Throwing Knife Inheriting Manstopper and Scattershot (infinite cleave)
0:43 Throwing Knife on Carapace
0:55 Throwing Knife Inheriting Uncanny Strike 5 stack
1:05 I should have ended the video here

▶ Play video
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some of that is gimmicky, but its powerful to know and use in the right situations or builds

spare talon
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Throwing knives are still zealots best blitz even without these interactions

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And that's not even taking into account pathing favors them too

small kernel
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havent played since like a year ago, is it still possible to oneshot all monstrosities with crucis stealth?

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only change i saw was the powered up swing of crucis being slightly overhead now

spare talon
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Don't believe so
But thammer is functionally a better to use weapon

subtle sentinel
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Which weapon?

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The one I am holding?

small kernel
subtle sentinel
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I have uuuh brutal momentum and headtaker on my axe

spare talon
red mesa
# subtle sentinel The one I am holding?

whichever you're currently holding throwing knife inhereit blessings. so if you have a dmg blessing stackign in melee and throw a knife it does more dmg, etc

when im actively in combat i regularly even finish bosses off with them that are lowish, 4-5 knifes in the head with slaughterer or something stacked on a weapon does ok dmg to almost anything lol

I killed a BON in a havoc 40 the other day that was eating our ogryn and walkign him away, throw like 8 knifes in its weak point while and finished it from like 1/4 hp lmao

spare talon
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I think they raised it for carapace

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All around not as much of a pain in the ass to use

subtle sentinel
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Would it cleave through enemies if I kill with headshot

red mesa
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watch the video i posted, it should, but manstopper is way better

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manstopper gives it infinite cleave

subtle sentinel
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Brutal momentum is amazing just cleaving through the heads of horses

red mesa
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but its gimmicky

spare talon
hearty nebula
small kernel
subtle sentinel
red mesa
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i think i kill like a 30 ragers in 1 knife in the video lol

subtle sentinel
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Raised damage when I hit?

spare talon
subtle sentinel
subtle sentinel
spare talon
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Headtaker is a global debuff

red mesa
subtle sentinel
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I use it not on specials anyway

red mesa
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but manstopper is cool

spare talon
proper vortex
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hello, I need help doing Shocking Stuff, I already got the burner but I'm having a hard time finding a group to do it with, or atleast a Zealot who's done the penance before so that I can get some guidance, I don't even know how to approach it

spare talon
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And manstop

subtle sentinel
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It is a buff

red mesa
subtle sentinel
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Gah shotgun

spare talon
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It takes 1 more hit to kill without a min max build that sucks every other moment

subtle sentinel
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Almost 300 on both weapons hehehehe

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Getting close

spare talon
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That's like 3 seconds at most

red mesa
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like cole said the useability in general being tuned up is way better

subtle sentinel
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Surgical + deadly accurate are great but I barely get to use it lmao

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I aim down by the time it charges up someone else either killed the guy or the boss or whatever moved somewhere further I cant get a shot off

spare talon
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In havoc 40 boss damage is vastly desired due to how many bosses spawn (common to have 3 at once even when manipulating progression to limit how many are up at once) with massive health pools of up to 100k hp, and no weapon does it better than thammer even still

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But if thammer didn't get updated
No one would use it still even there cuz you sucking at everything else won't cut it, you won't be alive to kill the bosses to begin with

red mesa
spare talon
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Tbh you can't get that many without a multitrigger so it was still too much progression

winter oxide
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whats the max amount that can spawn on a single trigger

hearty nebula
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at least one

stone fern
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the issue with ironhelm was the ASS carapace adm

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blunt weapon
super charged with blah blah blah
did less damage than an axe

misty nova
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Anti material weapon casually mogged by lumberjack tool

obsidian prairie
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Rashad is a power axe

stone fern
misty nova
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Power?
More like
Strength

stone fern
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its broken 😭

misty nova
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Am I right fellas?

acoustic dune
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ey ey peep hole

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what are yall babbling about

stone fern
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read up noob

obsidian prairie
stone fern
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thats like using a chainaxe as a club

obsidian prairie
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Not really

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It’s still an axe

stone fern
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but its not powered

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u cant call it a power weapon if its not powered 😭

solar gorge
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just like the unpowered power sword still cuts like a sword

stone fern
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but it shouldnt cut through concrete like a powered sword 😭

solar gorge
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yeah it's a sword

stone fern
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everyone who doesnt agree with me is WRONG

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sorry not sorry

solar gorge
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clad execution may 20th

stone fern
obsidian prairie
visual stream
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Sorry Clab, power doesn't need power to be power

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Gonna have to agree with lamb

stone fern
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ADVANCEDLAMB ISNT EVEN ON 😭

median steeple
#

I'd hardly classify the unpowered power sword a weapon lmao

#

that shit is ass

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unlike relic which is good in both

misty nova
#

Power or not power
Rashad is low-key broken and not talked about that much

median steeple
#

it's talked about all the time

sullen forge
solar gorge
#

both are regular ass double edged swords when unpowered

sullen forge
#

Heal mogged

stone fern
#

forgettaboutit

stone fern
#

rashad is perfectly balanced

obsidian prairie
stone fern
#

on the 22nd well get a weapons update

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and we will get a functioning rashad

visual stream
stone fern
#

itll be so broken ds4 would be looked at for balance

misty nova
visual stream
modern lintel
#

if im not mistaken rashad performs better on vet maybe think w right build it could 1 or 2 tap crushers

stone fern
#

power creep would make it peak balance

misty nova
#

Smh

stone fern
#

itll get buffed

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same as ironhelm

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ironhelm will get GIGA BUFFED

solar gorge
#

i was invited at Fatshark last week

modern lintel
#

i still mourn everyday the absolute neutering they did on ogryns shovel BM

solar gorge
#

they're buffing the ds on may 22th

misty nova
#

5 seconds Precognition

#

🗣️

solar gorge
#

they're also making 2 new rending blessings

stone fern
#

give both of them to thammer

#

make thrust2 but with rending

sullen forge
visual stream
modern lintel
#

give shredder auto pistol uncanny 2yos

stone fern
#

imma be real i didnt think ironhelm was that bad before the mini rework

#

there was two issues with it

modern lintel
#

thunnder hammers should still also get sunder

stone fern
#

chastise being rending instead of armor downgrade made it do less carapace damage than before

visual stream
#

My only problem with it was crusher and mauler damage tbh

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They made it better and I was happying

stone fern
#

and AND sprinting caused the combo to reset in a very akward animation

sullen forge
#

@obsidian prairie my friends had to nerf my healing out put by 75% and I’m still tanking via healing

visual stream
#

Until I realized it was useless in havoc and mortis

visual stream
modern lintel
#

give all power weapons power cycler aswell

stone fern
visual stream
#

Let you reset to H1 H2 mid combo

stone fern
#

i legit reported it like 3 times

misty nova
subtle sentinel
#

They are buffing me for the update, just me specifically, they will make me good at the game

stone fern
visual stream
#

Yes

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However, nah

frosty herald
#

Imagine if ironhelm got sunder

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So you could cleave specialists gunners and shotgunners

visual stream
#

Ironically enough I think its trash cleave ought to be buffed just a little too

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Unless they wanna make thrust basekit on thammer so we can take cleave blessing Smile

small kernel
#

what exactly is havoc 40 and is crucis viable there? havent played since a year ago

modern lintel
#

its viable but more suited for a coordinated team tho

small kernel
modern lintel
#

yea

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also what hav 40 is in a summary is imagine the worse auric mael youever played right then amplify that about about 5x as much cock and ball torture and sprinkle in a lot more monstros and the twins and now captains

small kernel
#

what are the one man carry meta builds nowadays? a special killer ranged with a really good mixed horde melee?

modern lintel
#

all with unique to that mode modifers aswell

winter oxide
#

dont think theres a 1 man carry build

misty nova
#

Realistically
Any build is a carry build if you're a good player

winter oxide
#

unless you mean the forbidden tech

modern lintel
#

old havoc 40 was soloable new idk probably but would just take much longer

small kernel
misty nova
#

Anyways
Duelist Sword Flamer

winter oxide
#

i dont think auric maelstrom is comparable to h40 at all

misty nova
#

Oh For Havoc?

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Uh

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Relic Blade through and through

small kernel
modern lintel
#

relics good but its mobility would hurt a lot for soloing

small kernel
#

crafting also seems to have changed, sub-stats and blessings dont lock anymore? and you unlock blessings with mastery?

#

thats what i got from looking at the menus

modern lintel
#

yes

small kernel
#

what about weapon power or whatever the number and base weapon stat rolls were called

winter oxide
#

dueling sword shroudfield zealot 💀

small kernel
#

still buy from shop till a good one?

modern lintel
#

doesnt matter everything can be refined all the way to 500 anyway

#

just have to buy a base that has what ever you wants dumpstat at max potential of 60

small kernel
#

as i also have old bulk buy mods etc

#

for buying a weapon over a certain power

misty nova
modern lintel
#

the twins and burgle pummeling you straight to hell

#

super hell even

small kernel
#

max you can roll is still 80% on 4 stats + 60 on 5th?

#

% might be from an old mod i have

#

so i can refine this to 500 now?

modern lintel
real sonnet
small kernel
modern lintel
#

you want to buy them untill you see a one that has defences that second number on the right at 60

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then just throw money at hadron

winter oxide
real sonnet
#

For some reason

small kernel
#

this was enough to oneshot monstrosities before so i didnt bother buying one with better pen

small kernel
winter oxide
#

yes

modern lintel
winter oxide
#

theres a sacrifice mod you can get that skips the consecrate -> sacrifice

placid fiber
modern lintel
#

@real sonnet i think i remember playing a game w u and a.a the other week

real sonnet
#

Well yea I do play H40 often

winter oxide
#

so shroudfield zealot with ds flamer is a good build?

real sonnet
#

This is the only build that can complete any map alone

winter oxide
#

can i see the talent page

modern lintel
#

i dont remember which u were

real sonnet
# winter oxide can i see the talent page

There are variations but like the most important stuff is to have until death, blazing piety, flamer, I'd also really suggest that for ONLY this build, you actually run thy wrath be swift

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If you're running DS, make sure to have Thrust

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If you're running knife, make sure to have precog

real sonnet
winter oxide
#

curios?

real sonnet
winter oxide
#

ok

real sonnet
#

Make sure you have at least x2 Combat ability cooldown (3 is good too)

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Very suggested to run 2 gunner curios

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And the rest either a combination of sprint efficiency / stamina regeneration / block efficiency blah blah all that to your liking

#

(but toughness as perk is good too)

placid fiber
winter oxide
real sonnet
winter oxide
#

he says blazing piety

placid fiber
real sonnet
modern lintel
real sonnet
#

It is minimal, but I feel that other stuff aren't gonna be that useful that You aren't already running

modern lintel
#

ordo dockets my beloved

real sonnet
#

So might as well have that 1-2 second hand up

placid fiber
#

Toughness? health? Yeah minimal <.<

real sonnet
#

I did say you can run toughness as well yea

winter oxide
#

3x combat ability regeneration for 1.2s does not seem like a good deal

modern lintel
#

id rather do sprint efficiency or tough then combat ability regen tho yea

real sonnet
#

Sounds reasonable

placid fiber
winter oxide
#

whats the playstyle like

#

for this kind of build

real sonnet
#

You warn to learn how to do a double attack while invis

winter oxide
#

in havoc 40?

real sonnet
#

I mean it's not really

#

Gonna be possible to do that if

#

You have teammates

#

But if solo, you stay invis 95% of the game

modern lintel
visual stream
#

I believe 3x Ability Regen with IoD ended up being a little less than one second saved

#

From what I remember having tested

real sonnet
real sonnet
#

I guess Vet invis could work too

#

Theorically possible

modern lintel
#

ogryn taunt is also possible now that it has multiple pulses

real sonnet
#

That's a good point

#

Forgot bout Big man rework

#

But gunners could ehhhh fuck you up

#

More consistently

winter oxide
#

i guess this stealth build is for solo play only

modern lintel
#

ypud be getting a ton of toughness back from the taunt aswell

small kernel
#

any big changes i should do? i intentionally went for as much invis damage as i can while keeping some survivability

real sonnet
# winter oxide in havoc 40?

The cycle is simple:

  1. Charge an attack
  2. Release the attack
  3. Activate invis
  4. The released attack from step 2 kills the Target with a backstab
  5. Make sure to stay invis for the whole 5s
  6. Right before it ends, hit another backstab killing another target
  7. Kite the very few remaining seconds

Repeat from Step 1

winter oxide
#

yeah just for solo play

small kernel
modern lintel
placid fiber
#

wait...

small kernel
#

wait...

real sonnet
#

I really should try Shroudfield but in Havoc with a group, I wanna be called an asshole for dumping aggro >:3

small kernel
#

this is from my setup a year ago

winter oxide
#

yeah if i had shroudfield in my setup i will be spending half my day in the party finder

spare talon
placid fiber
#

Gottem

real sonnet
winter oxide
#

i dont run shroudfield

small kernel
#

i will be willing to drop marty if i really keep dying in havoc

spare talon
#

No amount of tdr will help you from chip damage, or being landlocked cuz of bad mobility (ij superiority)

small kernel
#

cant know before trying AINTNOWAY

winter oxide
#

i think the game puts you at havoc 16 after clearing auric maelstrom

obsidian prairie
#

Martyr is fun to play once in a while to stat check a match but IJ or piety is better

#

Martyrdom is better the better you are but you’ve got no real safety

#

And fold way easier to bullshit

small kernel
obsidian prairie
#

No

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Not even close

spare talon
#

Marty is always 1 burster you're pushing rhat your idiot vet or ogryn shoots away from a down

obsidian prairie
#

But you won’t be one hit away from death at all times

visual stream
#

Found the CDR curio test

hollow meteor
spare talon
obsidian prairie
#

If you can avoid that barrel burster or walker you absolutely shit on the match

#

But if you get clipped just wrong it’s over

small kernel
#

before they even wake up

obsidian prairie
#

A good DoD headshot burst is half their hp

#

Then it’s just cleanup

small kernel
#

love the thammer nodders

obsidian prairie
#

1 hit kill against bosses is a meme setup

winter oxide
#

i dont think you can one shot dh in havoc

small kernel
#

as i heard and tested after that thammer boss dmg was tuned down

#

can only oneshot deamonhost and nurgle now

#

rest survives

#

in meat grinder

winter oxide
#

i dont remember the exact hidden modifiers but the enemies get super meaty

spare talon
small kernel
spare talon
#

Plague ogryns have more than 100,000 hp

small kernel
#

man... even the meme build is dead now

winter oxide
#

just go fotf and piety or inexorable judgment

violet hornet
# winter oxide i dont remember the exact hidden modifiers but the enemies get super meaty

all Havoc 40 modifiers

1.50x More elite HP
2.00x More Elites
1.50x More special HP
+6 Max Specials
+3 Monsters, 1.70x More HP
3.20x horde Mass, 1.35x More HP
hordes 2.40x More often
2.00x More Ogryns
2.00x Faster Enemy melee Attack Speed
30% Corruption Damage from melee
2.25x More Shots Per shooter Barrage, +30% Faster ranged Enemy Attack Speed
1.85x Terror Event Points (the allowance for "fuck you die" multi event spawns, this is where you will get stuff like 2 bosses spawning at once, a captain and a normal monstrosity)
1.50x Higher Melee Damage recieved
-50% Toughness Regen Speed
-45 base Toughness
-35% base HP
-85% Vent Speed
-50% Ammo from pickups

violet hornet
winter oxide
#

what are terror event points

#

is that just something that builds up when you have no bosses for a while

violet hornet
#

It's the oh shit moments where the game director is clearly trying to kill you, typically with a large number of bosses + hordes and specials

real sonnet
#

In Havoc the most common one being captain + non weak monstrosity

winter oxide
#

didnt even know that was a thing lol

real sonnet
winter oxide
#

i just see them spawn and then its whatever

real sonnet
#

I wish they removed the blight modifier

#

It's so fucking annoying

#

Like the last 4 from 2.0 were THE BEST they ever made

#

And then decide to polute it with 1.0 modifiers

winter oxide
#

you mean the moebian 21st and stuff?

#

i hate pox gas more than blight

small kernel
#

because some weapons have different stats is there any guide etc for what to get 60% on each weapon for crafting?

real sonnet
real sonnet
#

2 modifiers + Emperor's Fading Light is what everyone likes

#

No one likes the 4th annoying modifier

winter oxide
#

i just skip them entirely

real sonnet
#

But again idk why Fatshark decided to do this

#

"every 3rd week we'll be swapping modifiers from Havoc yay"

#

Without reworking the previous ones

#

I'll NOT play veteran during the hard pus weeks

heady rapids
#

play recon

plush estuary
#

play melee vet

hollow meteor
#

Melee Psyker

small kernel
#

is there any new mod for target buying stat % ? one i had from past was for buy until rating

#

but seems like rating doesnt matter anymore

heady rapids
#

ehhh

#

you dont even need a mod considering you can do it in maybe 10-15 weps

#

every weapon has max rolls now

#

you just need to get a 60 in the dump stat

small kernel
#

for both rating and %

heady rapids
#

no you just buy one that has a 60 in the stat you dont want

small kernel
#

so auto discord on the mod was pretty useful

heady rapids
#

and then upgrade it

#

its a lot easier now

#

every weapon is a 380 now

small kernel
#

i was asking this before too but is there any guide for which stat is bad for each weapon?

hollow meteor
#

Generally, it's Mobility unless a weapon has Defense, then it's that; For warp weapons, it's Warp Resistance(Except the Voikstrike which is Blast Radius iirc)

winter oxide
#

pinned messages

small kernel
#

last time when you said its in this channel

#

as there are a lot of pinned messages

winter oxide
#

well thats why its called the compendia

heady rapids
#

get them to green and use them for mastery

cloud hornet
#

Been a while since I played but gonna gonna guess that the Dueling Sword is still the meta for this class?

analog ember
#

it's stupidly op still but RB's prob more the meta

cloud hornet
#

Oh? I remember it being inferior to the Dueling Sword last I played, but I guess some more testing has been done then? Would that be a Fury build then?

hexed igloo
plush estuary
#

they jump now??

analog ember
#

problem with DS is no horde clear, esp the higher you go

spare talon
plush estuary
#

me when infinite cleave

analog ember
misty nova
#

The little hop

#

But yeah afaik every enemy has a little jump

#

Have you seen a BoN doing parkour

#

Genuinely scary

elfin thorn
plush estuary
#

coal is typing

#

get ready

spare talon
elfin thorn
#

whar

spare talon
#

Ds is as busted as it is because it does nearly everything so well, and the things it doesn't can be covered up by other things that do those things so well

analog ember
#

it's like saying hword has no problem with carapace because you can just take bolter

#

yes, DS is busted, yes there are ways to overcome its poor horde clear, and yes, i was just talking about DS in a vacuum because that's what the question was about

sullen forge
#

I mean you gotta sit there and realize DS can drop packs of crushers with one heavy poke in under like what 5 seconds

#

That shit is stupid

#

Thammer at least has the draw back of the long wind ups between heavy special hits

#

DS just does it naturally in under a second for one crusher

visual stream
analog ember
#

flamer's an ammo hog too lol

hard nexus
#

taking more of the build into account

#

talking about a single weapon

#

doesn’t include ur ranged

analog ember
#

i don't ever using flamer for horde clear, unless it's a really bad mixed horde or i know the team is willing to give me a lot of ammo

hard nexus
#

it’s like saying dclaw isn’t bad at armor because revolver or bolter

mighty root
hard nexus
#

like yeah, you can make up for its weakness

acoustic dune
#

ey ey people

hard nexus
#

almost every build in the game is making up for its own weaknesses

acoustic dune
#

piss master here

#

pissing

mighty root
#

I’ve never struggled with hordes on da ds

stone fern
median steeple
#

I'm bored so I'm gonna make a strawman out of someone

acoustic dune
#

is it competitive ?

stone fern
#

pls dont mention ironhelm ill get mad for real tho

visual stream
#

At the same time, I don't think you can really say something is micro meta even if you did specify because that doesn't make sense

#

Meta is every factor accumulated into determining the best possible choice

hexed igloo
#

Need to get a good crack

hard nexus
#

both parties are at fault

#

that is my verdict

#

i am correct

visual stream
#

???

#

Oh yeah

#

All hail grubmaster Cyn

stone fern
hard nexus
#

teeeheeee

stone fern
#

oh noooo 😭

hard nexus
stone fern
#

😭

hard nexus
stone fern
#

im gonna jump off the fence now

hard nexus
#

but it was funny

stone fern
#

22nd cant come soon enough..........

#

wheres my ratling with a poweraxe.......

visual stream
stone fern
#

dawg its a sticker just copy it

hard nexus
visual stream
hard nexus
stone fern
#

open discord in html

hexed igloo
visual stream
#

Thank you

stone fern
#

use tineye

stone fern
#

find the full picture

#

its not that hard

median steeple
#

fuck you

hexed igloo
#

Medal is a virus yeah its taking up 1/4 of my hard drive from accidentally pressing the button

visual stream
#

Do not question me

stone fern
stone fern
#

i am banning you from using MY weapon

visual stream
#

I shilled Ironhelm before it was even good

#

I defended my child when it could only cleave three groaners

stone fern
#

🚬 i played ironhelm before u got darktide

visual stream
#

I played Ironhelm back when fatshark was skinny

#

Don't play

stone fern
#

i spent ~10mil on ironhelm when fatshark was a sharkegg

hard nexus
median steeple
#

GAMBLING

#

PEAK

median steeple
#

kiling myself

hard nexus
#

google reverse image search is so much better

stone fern
#

wrong

hard nexus
median steeple
#

doesn't work half the time

hard nexus
#

google image search on the other hand

#

is peak

stone fern
#

skill issue

hard nexus
stone fern
#

thats because all you look for is

#

uhhh

#

UHhhhh

#

its in the name

winter oxide
#

how good is sprint efficiency on curios?

hard nexus
#

not bad on vet

#

but mediocre on zealot

median steeple
#

wait whar the fuck

stone fern
#

vet has the stam delay nodes

#

idk if its even good on vet

winter oxide
#

block efficiency?

median steeple
#

in the app it's edited but it only sends the non edited version

winter oxide
#

is that ass too?

hard nexus
stone fern
#

id go toughness gunners hp for everything tbh

#

maybe swap out hp for bombers or snipers

median steeple
#

the fortnite darth vader AI has made me feel sadness shit is ass

median steeple
#

I'll DM it

hard nexus
#

kk

heady rapids
#

😔

median steeple
#

WHAT

plush estuary
#

spidey sense in fortnite?

delicate shadow
#

bruh

#

wtf is that

heady rapids
#

he's also racist despite understanding different languages

#

he uinderstands you but will always comment on you talking in anything non english

median steeple
#

I think the worst part of all this is that it's James Earl Jones' voice saying this shit

median steeple
heady rapids
#

yeah he signed a contract with lucasfilm

stable cypress
#

can't believe the imperium was right, abhor the abominable intelligence

heady rapids
#

they also used his voice in uhhhhhhhhhhhh

#

fuck what was it

#

kenobi

#

i think?

proper vortex
#

what are the best damage perks to have on a thunder hammer?

median steeple
stone fern
plush estuary
median steeple
#

that was 3 years ago damn

stone fern
#

for ironhelm im partial to elite unyielding but flak unyielding is meta

heady rapids
#

didnt watch book of boba

#

but yeah cool stuff

plush estuary
heady rapids
#

i hope when i die there's an ai made of me that will still inhabit my discord server

stone fern
heady rapids
proper vortex
heady rapids
frosty herald
#

the og voice actor died so they asked the family if they could use his voice in the dlc with ai

misty nova
#

Well done Hatsune Miku - Vader 2025

sullen forge
#

Me watching in horror as Vader starts going on about Agartha and the Aryan Race

undone pewter
#

I'm actually crying man

#

what the fuck is happening

plush estuary
#

what is fortnite

heady rapids
#

i lost the one where he calls peter a real family guy

stable cypress
fossil crag
winter oxide
#

there should be pox gas + lights out modifier

sullen forge
heady rapids
undone pewter
heady rapids
#

it's a thing that will only have that much impact the first time you do it

heady rapids
sullen forge
#

I think the dumbest one I’ve seen is him casually calling Miku a Thug