zealot-class

[long cosmos]

weakspot, if it crits it becomes a critical weakspot hit

[subtle sentinel]

Really?

Then why is that the best blessing for bolt pistol

Has to be weak spot AND critical?

[subtle sentinel]

Smh

[misty nova]

Because it gets Surgical

[subtle sentinel]

Stop constantly posting the same thing smh

I don't wanna use surgical

[misty nova]

(no idea)

Classic Fatshark I guess

[subtle sentinel]

How long do I aim with with max rank surgical?

[pale spindle]

I use explosive rounds and run/gun

[subtle sentinel]

3 seconds

Bruh

I am not waiting 3 seconds before shooting

I will use run and gun and puncture

Might switch to flamer later anyway

61% mobility rashad

62% collateral bolt pistol

[pale spindle]

I don't use pistols anymore because of Havoc tbh so I have no idea

[subtle sentinel]

Surgical and deadly accurate combo does sound kinda great if I ever need to hit a very powerful enemy in a weakspot tho

But knowing my aim and how hectic the game gets I don't wanna wait 3 seconds before shooting smh

Run and gun suits me better

[misty nova]

Well the alternative is Point Blank

[pale spindle]

Also on Vet I like using the bolt gun

I just don't see a use case for the pistol except for low investment builds when the revolver exists

[misty nova]

You kill someone with a melee attack
20% CRIT chance for your next shot

[subtle sentinel]

Why are there so many Mikels

[subtle sentinel]

I will just use run and gun and puncture

Bleed good

[pale spindle]

Oh no

[long cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/toletole-gulp-gif-547936041340934291

[misty nova]

But that's just Fatshark

They make a strong niche blessing

That doesn't get picked because the alternative is better

Or they go and make Devastating Strike

💀

Or lacerate

[winter oxide]

why is puncture good on the bolt pistol?

[misty nova]

Lacerate users trying to justify not hitting weakspots (core mechanic) with their 3 finesse weapon

https://tenor.com/view/cities-funny-memes-goofy-gif-27660239

[misty nova]

If your shot doesn't kill
The bleed will

Happens more than it should

[winter oxide]

💀

[subtle sentinel]

Ran into some amazing random teams

[magic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-devil-devilcat-catdevil-catears-gif-26353341

[misty ravine]

ah yes hello rat clickers
would you like some random bullshit or would you like +20% attack speed with near 100% uptime

[misty nova]

You get 15 thp on "saving" a teammate

[acoustic dune]

are they stupid?

you gotta run a 0 damage stat knife

for bleed knife

[subtle sentinel]

Which curios for zealot again?

Toughness, gunner resistance, hp?

[acoustic dune]

gunner resist

and all the above

[subtle sentinel]

Sick

[misty ravine]

"Saving" defined so narrowly (and/or brokenly) that you get through a whole ass cata game with 3 "saves" between the four of you

[acoustic dune]

stam curio are nice aswell

[subtle sentinel]

Gonna buy first flamer wish luck

[acoustic dune]

for for melee with low amount of bars

[subtle sentinel]

Never wished I had more stamina really

[misty nova]

😭

[subtle sentinel]

I am using

[misty nova]

So true

[acoustic dune]

you dont push enough enough tehn

[subtle sentinel]

Bolt pistol and combat axe

Bought flamer

63% burn

What is the dump stat?

[acoustic dune]

damage and mobility

burn you want it high

[subtle sentinel]

Damage? Really?

[misty ravine]

Maybe I use the wrong weapons but I've never felt the need for stamina on Zealot or Psyker for shoving. Vet I can see

[subtle sentinel]

Literally the worst possible one huh

[acoustic dune]

chat

tell this man

[subtle sentinel]

This is a terrible flamer

I can at least try it in meat grinder rn

[acoustic dune]

its more great for save when you use knife

but i do spam push a lot

[misty nova]

Yeah
It only affects direct hits
And the difference from 60 to 80 is 1.2 damage

Also allows you to have 80 mobility
Which slightly helps with the bad dodges

[copper hawk]

Flamer is damage dump

The flamer is trash if it's below 76% on the Burn stat

[acoustic dune]

cica

gnarp gnarp this man

[copper hawk]

So scrap it

If it's below 76% Burn

[winter oxide]

are infantry autoguns ammo efficient?

[copper hawk]

Dead flamer

[acoustic dune]

i would recommend the recon lasy more

[winter oxide]

isnt the recon lasgun an ammo hog?

[misty nova]

I think they are lvl 17 on their zealot

Every flamer will be dead

😭

[acoustic dune]

i dont think so

[copper hawk]

Ohg

Lmfao

[winter oxide]

ok ill try the recon lasgun

[visual stream]

If you're using it on zealot, a little probably

[winter oxide]

yes im using it on zealot

[visual stream]

Vet is pretty efficient because shocktrooper

[acoustic dune]

try it with a crit build

[winter oxide]

what about infantry autogun

[misty ravine]

Not really. Recon Lasgun is also not that efficient without Schlock Trooper.

[acoustic dune]

with infourno

its peak

[copper hawk]

Shock glooper

[visual stream]

Never used an IAG much

What are you trying to use the recon against?

[winter oxide]

just specialists and some ranged

ive been using the laspistol for everything

[visual stream]

Could use a braced autogun

[acoustic dune]

a boltgun

[visual stream]

Or that

[acoustic dune]

get the bistol

[winter oxide]

i want quickdraw too

[visual stream]

Or revolver unless you mean ranged trash as well

[misty nova]

I mean
If we take the VET guide

[winter oxide]

no i dont shoot trash

[misty nova]

Although that's for vet

A third time for good sake

[visual stream]

In that case revolver might be your pal

[misty nova]

For vet

[visual stream]

It's cracked anti-armor too

[acoustic dune]

thought i read ferret

[winter oxide]

is it ammo efficient?

[acoustic dune]

I MISS FERRET POSTER

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-gif-22266338

[clever swan]

you are obsessed. it's over. they're gone.

if they appealed it must have failed

[winter oxide]

the laspistol does so much damage with so much ammo too

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-freakout-scream-scared-funny-gif-24010801

NOOO

[winter oxide]

someone told me the braced autogun is dogshit

[subtle sentinel]

Damn brutal momentum is good

But bleed on bolt pistol is shit

[winter oxide]

is it really?

[acoustic dune]

i like proximity

[visual stream]

I will tell you something pivotal in this moment my friend

[modern lintel]

hardly anythings totally ass

[visual stream]

Trust nothing anyone tells you about items being good in this game but us

[modern lintel]

do not believe the misinformation

[acoustic dune]

this is true

now

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e9a13f8-1dcc-4f91-ba7d-e641b095407e/evil-build

use the evil build

dew it

[clever swan]

especially if they tell you taxe is good

[modern lintel]

smells of noob

[acoustic dune]

dump damage bleed knife

[winter oxide]

i use the tactical axe often

[clever swan]

taxe is goated, just not too good against carapace obviously

[subtle sentinel]

Might just suck it up and use surgical with deadly accurate

[visual stream]

Doesn't bleed scale with damage or nay?

[subtle sentinel]

For axe I am using brutal momentum and headtaker

[misty ravine]

Nah. It helps fudge some special breakpoints, adds some boss DPS if you keep the stacks up, maybe starts things bleeding for Scourge (I've heard conflicting information) and I don't really like any of the other options for Zealot

[visual stream]

(Ik it's meme anyway)

[acoustic dune]

idk

i just do it for the funny

[winter oxide]

what is the most ammo efficient gun on zealot

[visual stream]

Boltgun

[winter oxide]

ok

[visual stream]

Probably

[acoustic dune]

play vet

[subtle sentinel]

Can you track the critical bonus surgical is giving?

[winter oxide]

no

[visual stream]

You can also quick draw it if you use a throwing knife as you equip it

[misty ravine]

If you're only shooting specials and weaker elites, probably Bistol

[visual stream]

Skips the huge pull-out time

[misty nova]

It's 10% chance every stack

[winter oxide]

i heard the lethal proximity blessing works on some melee weapons

[subtle sentinel]

But can you track the stacks?

Do they show up on the hud

[winter oxide]

is that true

[misty nova]

So if you look a the buff bar it should have the stacks

[subtle sentinel]

I have numerical UI mod

[misty ravine]

Not anymore IIRC

[misty nova]

Oh numerical ui

Uh

[visual stream]

I think they removed the interaction with Indignatus and that was the only one who could do it

[violet hornet]

No loner or lacerate? Only mid level evil here

[winter oxide]

wtf rip

[misty nova]

Can you set CRIT chance to show up?

[visual stream]

Still works with grenades though

[misty ravine]

They show up on the buff bar, you would need a mod to make it more visible. I know there is one that tracks your current crit chance generally

[visual stream]

Actually Idk if it works with either of zealot's nades

[winter oxide]

i use this

[visual stream]

But cracked for shredders

[misty nova]

Wait if you're modded
Get the show CRIT chance mod yeah

[acoustic dune]

i thought i took loner

hang on

[misty ravine]

You can also just memorize how long the stacks take to build

[acoustic dune]

o yeah i didnt

sad

[winter oxide]

what is the infantry autogun usually used for?

[violet hornet]

I actually thought it looked legit until I saw weak spot damage and damage dump knife

[visual stream]

Nothing oftentimes

[acoustic dune]

time to mid level evil

out

[visual stream]

Not many people run it but it should be decent anti-range

[acoustic dune]

someone wanna game?

[misty ravine]

https://youtu.be/FcGLveebwjo?si=xjiqxBbbtM8PNv0d

[winter oxide]

it just looks like a weaker laspistol

[misty nova]

Well iags are dps monster

Vraks5 is like THE dps weapon

[misty ravine]

Vet or Psyker who get more ranged finesse and can use the Vraks to build stacks and proc on-hit or on-crit effects fast

[visual stream]

Zealot has no anti-suppression so precision guns hurt to use if you're taking fire

Part of why Brautos are good on zealot

[acoustic dune]

also didnt pick lacerate for that 100% crit

[torn warren]

anyone know a reasonable way to complete "Just A Flesh Wound" been gone a while and seen they made it a private loby only one

[acoustic dune]

karnak twin

[visual stream]

Do the train mission or the special assignment

[winter oxide]

vraks 5?

[misty nova]

It's the name and mark of one the infantry autogun

[winter oxide]

oh wait i meant infantry lasgun

my bad

[acoustic dune]

speaking of lasy

i want a braced recon lasy

[misty nova]

Oh Ilas

[winter oxide]

what is the use case for the infantry lasgun?

[violet hornet]

Twins or the rolling steel mission make are both short missions, which makes it easier to get out in time

[acoustic dune]

work better on vet

[misty ravine]

Perhaps some sort of "hell gun"

[misty nova]

They are basically precision Lasweapons with one of the best ammo economy

[acoustic dune]

waht is this?
a dark tide?

[misty nova]

They have reverse fall off though, they deal more damage to targets that are far away

[misty ravine]

If you would like effectively infinite ammo and hate the Helbore and/or aren't Vet

[torn warren]

anyone be willing to help me with it? cant start a mission while solo.

[misty nova]

And tickle those that are close to you

[winter oxide]

the helbore is my favorite gun but im playing zealot

[misty ravine]

I heard it referred to as a Fortythousand

[misty nova]

So the use case of Ilas would be to pick ranged enemies from far away

[acoustic dune]

weird
thats the exact number of warhammer that just arrived

about

warhammer 40k

[misty ravine]

40,000 Warhammers should be able to beat 100 Baneblades

[misty nova]

But I'm personally more a fan of Vigilant for picking targets from far away

[winter oxide]

ill go upgrade the infantry lasgun

[misty nova]

Just avoid the 9
2b or 7>>>>>

[winter oxide]

whats the difference between 2b and 7

[analog ember]

2 is fast firing with aids recoil

7 is tamer but very breakpoint dependant

[winter oxide]

ill go with 2 then

only play havoc

[violet hornet]

I would, but I am at work 🫠

[misty ravine]

I just use the Bistol for everything, it's getting to be a problem

[subtle sentinel]

What does combat stim do?

[copper hawk]

Increases damage and rending

[winter oxide]

im guessing i need to have anoint in blood if i want to run infantry lasgun?

[stone fern]

the only reason to go to vet chat....

[subtle sentinel]

Tried it in meat grinder, changed nothing

[misty ravine]

As a Zealot how often are you dragging out the iLas to shoot something within almost-melee distance

[copper hawk]

Take the columnus and dance of death

[winter oxide]

ive never used this weapon before

[copper hawk]

Headshot laser beam

[misty nova]

Infantry Lasguns deal less damage at close range
With Anoint you'd just be remedying that

It's okay-ish

But If you're close you can just melee

[misty ravine]

Infantry Las also has a long drawtime and garbo hipfire accuracy (on top of not having the headshot magnetism of the Laspistol or Revolver)

[misty nova]

Rending doesn't work on unarmored/infested

[subtle sentinel]

Wtf does it work on

Didn't raise damage either

We killed a mutant as it rushed into extraction

And he fell into the shop lmao

Ship

Empeah gave me a 65% mobility shotgun

[grizzled aspen]

*Vraks.

[winter oxide]

how good is ghost?

[copper hawk]

Columnus

I will not call the wpns by their new namez

I shant

!

[grizzled aspen]

Stare a reaper in the face while he shoots at you and take no damage.

[median steeple]

Cara is the big one (I'm so tired idr if it works on others )

[subtle sentinel]

Invocation of death sounds fun

[misty ravine]

Everything that isn't Infested or Unarmored. Below 100% it only helps make up for a weapon that does reduced damage to the target type (most noticeable on Carapace since most weapons have identical or very similar modifiers for everything else). Above 100% it will start giving straight damage bonus

[grizzled aspen]

Anything that is maniac/flak/unyielding/carapace.

There isn't a single weapon in the game that deals 100% damage to those armor types.

Any bonus rending does convert to a damage increase but it's quite minor and you won't really notice it in the grand scheme of things.

[subtle sentinel]

Is swift certainty as good as it sounds?

Always dodging while sprinting

[grizzled aspen]

No, in fact, it's terrible.

[misty ravine]

No

[subtle sentinel]

What is it meant to do

[grizzled aspen]

The only thing it does for you is make the angle you can sprint a little more forgiving.

You don't have to run perfectly perpendicular to dodge bullets with it.

[signal trench]

hey yall im a Zealot.... That is all

[misty ravine]

I didn't know it even did that much

[grizzled aspen]

And, yknow, you can just dodge bullets by running directly at your enemy while sliding.

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah it does allow you to run at an angle while dodging bullets but there's virtually no difference between using it and not if you know what you're doing.

[misty nova]

But cica
Columnus is the shit mark now

[subtle sentinel]

Finished all weeklies

Let's check melk

[misty nova]

You'll confuse people

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

[subtle sentinel]

All 80% mobility weapons

Awesome

I will buy 5 random curios

Let's go gambling!

[subtle sentinel]

+15 max health!

+13 toughness!

[copper hawk]

moldness

[opal star]

you mean to tell me you can dodge bullets while running towards enemies if you do it diagonally with the camera kinda off from them

[misty nova]

Yeah

It's called sprint dodge

[subtle sentinel]

So, gunner resistance perks on all 3 curios, right?

What should the other 2 be

[obtuse stirrup]

Tuff

[subtle sentinel]

And what do I do with shit curios I don't need

[obtuse stirrup]

And free choice

[stone fern]

toughness is great all around

[subtle sentinel]

Sold for 5k lol

[grizzled aspen]

You can do 2 gunner resist and be fine, they have diminishing returns.

[subtle sentinel]

Sure but what should the other 2 perks be

One is toughness

[grizzled aspen]

I personally do 2 gunner resist, 1 sniper resist, 3 toughness, 3 stamina regen speed.

[subtle sentinel]

What else is very important?

Hp? Stamina?

[opal star]

I take it this is partially an FOV thing

[subtle sentinel]

Stamina Regen is good

[grizzled aspen]

Hp is not super important because you already have 200hp.

[subtle sentinel]

I will have hp as a main stat in one of the curios

Or should I go toughness for both

[grizzled aspen]

Don't even need hp as a main stat either.

[subtle sentinel]

13 toughness 15 health rn

Best I got lol

[grizzled aspen]

I run a +3 stam and 2 toughness curios.

[heady rapids]

@frosty herald does the game work for you

[subtle sentinel]

I hate gunners a ton so

[open bramble]

i think playing ogryn is making me worse at darktide

[subtle sentinel]

2 toughness 1 gunner res it is

With toughness, Stam and gunner perks

Getting really good at malice now

Rashad is awesome, both my weapons are near perfect

I am zealotmaxxing

[frosty herald]

Yeah

[heady rapids]

I'm getting no joins past the lobby and always playing solo

[frosty herald]

Ask for help in the firebreak discord

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/neppico-gif-12490047082767817490

[stable cypress]

It 100% is

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/gnarpy-why-u-so-gnarp-gnarp-gif-6016285324270628240

[long cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[clever swan]

グロルプ

[heady rapids]

@frosty herald idk when i'll get dc access you wanna play

[pale spindle]

Stolen

[violet hornet]

Would make a good pin

[acoustic dune]

the helldiver 2 warbond did not cook

wtf am i looking at

[violet hornet]

Yeah I was not really excited for what I saw in the preview

Guess I'm saving my pocket change for this one instead of bustin out the wallet

[acoustic dune]

the least they could do make the flag give better reload or smth

[violet hornet]

What does the flag actually do?

[acoustic dune]

nothing from what i can see

its a longuer spear

[violet hornet]

Classic Arrowhead

[acoustic dune]

not even a heavy pen

nothing

just a spear

[violet hornet]

Guess it's to pair with the constitution so you can be doubly ineffective

[signal spoke]

You hit on enemies with it smh

[acoustic dune]

THEY COULD MAKE THE FLAG GIB RANDOM EFFECT

MAKE IT STACK

GRAAHHH

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-browthy-gif-27553989

[violet hornet]

Or made it stick in an enemy and bleed them out over time

[signal spoke]

But wait it uses as a support weapon

[acoustic dune]

IT DOESNT EVEN DO HEAVY PEN

DUDE JUST GIB ME A SPEAR WITH AT GRENADE ON IT

https://youtu.be/_rWz5_sQCO0?t=139

like

is this too much?

god i would love a melee warbond

[violet hornet]

I would love a proper melee system in that game in general lmao

Helldivers please adopt the darktide melee system

[acoustic dune]

i wouldnt 100% agree

but i like the idea

[static junco]

You me anti tank spears?

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/yarp-hot-fuzz-gif-5789213

to balance it
make it a primary i guess

i can run the laser revolver as a secondary

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1284620687012659200/4x-2.gif

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-peaks-gif-1371745836857792819

[acoustic dune]

is that the mf salamanca?

[signal spoke]

No idea

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/lalo-salamanca-lalo-better-call-saul-really-gif-15995035493967332099

[heady rapids]

https://packaged-media.redd.it/n35mpg9dhy0f1/pb/m2-res_1080p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1747342800&s=ae4f4fc7972bd9e116974eb7eee9ff6de62625d7

[signal spoke]

Now that is actually peak

[acoustic dune]

o god why didnt they make it like the tf2 conga line

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-weapons-guy-heavy-tf2-tf2heavy-tf2-team-fortress2-gif-24023019

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-david-livesey-david-livesey-doctor-livesey-chad-rom-and-skull-gif-26497072

[acoustic dune]

we could allhave fun

[heady rapids]

y'all got good warbonds?

just hype moments and aura

[acoustic dune]

planning to make a gas melee build

just need that poison dog

[heady rapids]

dont bother

dogs are just borked rn

they fly off

[acoustic dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1284620687012659200/4x-2.gif

[signal spoke]

clearly you did not trained them well enough

[acoustic dune]

well there goes my super earth defense plan

gassing generally everything

and krilling them with melee

[plush estuary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEisTFsNRQ @sullen forge @next egret

uploaded

[acoustic dune]

an hour?

[plush estuary]

havoc 40

[acoustic dune]

@heady rapids mind if i join you in 30 min?

[plush estuary]

there was like a 10 min clutch

[acoustic dune]

i need to go grocery

[heady rapids]

i only started the game to check the warbond but sure i can play for a bit

[acoustic dune]

ill go get food and be back

[obsidian prairie]

How do they manage to break stratagems so hard

[acoustic dune]

cya helldiver

[acoustic dune]

its a feature for the shit warbond they gave us

[obsidian prairie]

500 Super Earth flags

[acoustic dune]

I am passed that the flag does not give effect

[plush estuary]

I had around 240 special kills

snipegryn

[obsidian prairie]

Wait it’s literally just a shitty spear

Does it like

Do good damage?

[acoustic dune]

Spear without the stun

And a little more range

Dats it

[obsidian prairie]

Does it do more damage or something?

[acoustic dune]

No thing

[heady rapids]

we won

[acoustic dune]

God I hope they make it free if we won back super earth

[obsidian prairie]

“If we win” so it’s just going to be free

[acoustic dune]

Exactly

They could have added a trench strategem

But no

[plush estuary]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2PzdjC5ciQ4E2Z7DkKIDNw?si=03db4763c0e846fe @jagged cradle how do you feel about different language covers?

[void bison]

thats the random gunman disarmed by mike erhmantraut and later seen doing a job for saul goodman

played by a not well known actor who did a video game character or something

[jagged cradle]

I usually don’t like covers in general but let’s see

[plush estuary]

Jinja does a very good job

[jagged cradle]

It’s strange but she has really good voice

I like it

[plush estuary]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2cB85kM3JmjccDwhCofhDo?si=f-Sv_KErRjuYK7R4--tsOQ

https://open.spotify.com/track/4J8G7LL7AVgsSRvgBx6Tmx?si=Mfa6182iRKmT0T8W9ieVFg&context=spotify%3Aplaylist%3A37i9dQZF1DZ06evO0AvHkU

These 2 are my fav songs from her

[jagged cradle]

@copper hawk you might like this too

[clever swan]

music is gay

[plush estuary]

I also use her as an excuse to keep up on my German

[jagged cradle]

Actually I have a German friend who would like this

[mighty root]

@spare talon

[red mesa]

watching Khandones gameplay and noticed this
How do you get this? In my games captains die and never give a call out im pretty sure who killed it

not that it matters, just curious

havoc captains*

is it a mod?

or maybe im dumb and not noticed it

[mighty root]

Most likely a mod I’ve never seen this before huh

[plush estuary]

I can ask him

One min

[jagged cradle]

Oh she did god ish kino

[plush estuary]

Yes

[mighty root]

There’s a mod that lets you change your voice effect now

[red mesa]

oh cool ty, i have him on my friends list and play with him here or there, but didn't wanna be a nuisance so figured i would ask here and someone would know lol

appreciate it

[plush estuary]

I don't use kill feed so I have no idea

So I just asked him

[red mesa]

im ngl, i love kill feed dopamine lol

seeing it spam with your name is

[plush estuary]

I use minimalist hud

[plush estuary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEisTFsNRQ

[jagged cradle]

Ainz is the fun police

The only good thing about him is his music taste

[mighty root]

My purg venting psyker in havoc

[plush estuary]

I don't have a buff bar, no stam, no dodge count, no subtitles, no speaker icon, no obgiective

[red mesa]

lol ya ive seen your videos, super minimalist. I def got more going on maybe i should reduce it lol

[plush estuary]

No killfeed

[jagged cradle]

Don’t follow his footsteps

You’ll be cursed for life

[mighty root]

Ainz relies on his schizophrenia to carry him

[plush estuary]

@red mesa

[jagged cradle]

Probably my favorite so far

[plush estuary]

It's so calm

I only know some of the words but I know it's far from calm with what she is saying

[red mesa]

dope ty

[jagged cradle]

Just like most jap songs yeah

[plush estuary]

Fair

[red mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCwaFVQZSH8

[jagged cradle]

Depressing as hell with the most cheerful tone

[red mesa]

ya i def got more on my hud by a lot lol

that gameplay isnt impressive but you can see my hud

[sullen forge]

I feel ashamed about that performance

[plush estuary]

Don't be

Look for improvements

It was your 1st havoc 2.0 run

And it was a 40

Was it build? Was it positioning?

[jagged cradle]

Gale how was power sword in havoc

[plush estuary]

Think like that

I had no problems with your performance

[red mesa]

hey at least you didn't queue with ainz the other day in havoc, he didn't tell you it was EU server and you proceeded to feed 2-3 times in row wondering why you couldn't dodge anything. dude thinks im washed now 😢

[plush estuary]

I did say

Or at least psyker did

[red mesa]

lol ya i didnt see it, im just teasing

[next egret]

I started living longer at the end lol
Also I'm not used to seeing myself from others pov

[red mesa]

i was just embarressed i died so quickly like twice, im usually better lol

[sullen forge]

Dodge problems back to back

That’s my issue

I couldn’t reposition quickly enough and ate shit for it

That was like half my deaths

[jagged cradle]

So it’s a skill issue I see

[sullen forge]

My first one was getting cornered by goop

[red mesa]

i would be totally down to queue with you again ainze if you gave me another chance 😛 might need to adjust to that eu server ping tho

[visual stream]

I know you're not supposed to risk your life for revives but I can't help squeezing in a clutch revive by the skin of my teeth

So fun

[sullen forge]

Don’t want to fucking hear it wire

[jagged cradle]

Dw I’ll take up the mantle

[visual stream]

Even if they still die five seconds later

[jagged cradle]

I’m just joking Gale you know it

[sullen forge]

Nuking you from orbit

[jagged cradle]

What made you think I’m on earth

[visual stream]

I don't think he knows it

[sullen forge]

Exactly

anyways I’m doing Bolter HS if I redo H40 with Ainz

See if that performs better to my playstyle

[plush estuary]

I'm west. Only reason we did eu because Grinch and psyker are eu

[jagged cradle]

He does

[red mesa]

ive been getting used to it, and its fun to not use knife/ds.
but I do feel vulnerable, its a lot harder to clutch or get out of a sticky situation.
if you havent done this, it helps alot to dump cleave targets, max mobility. Run a +3 stamina node. And if you're STILL struggling, grab a .25 stam regen delay in the vet tree. It does help your stamina economy which can make up for the mobility lacking

[jagged cradle]

Oh yeah I’m kinda caught up on games

[sullen forge]

To be fair Vet is also the weakest in havoc shockingly

[jagged cradle]

I should darkest my tide

[red mesa]

ah cool, well i would be totally down to play again feel free to hit me up anytime, ive been playing havoc 40s more reguarly now and been solid, i swear im not trash lol

[sullen forge]

So I just said yeah fuck it I’m worried more about survival than anything else

So I’m using HS

[red mesa]

people say this but idk, i put up numbers on the vet sometimes. It feels strong to me still even if its builds are limited

so are zealots and psyker lol

[visual stream]

Semi-surprising to me

[ionic light]

Thunder hammer is just so fun...

[jagged cradle]

On vet?

[sullen forge]

Yes

[ionic light]

If only it didn't eat literally all your stamina in half a second when you sprint

[red mesa]

fun but hard without a good group man.
I find relic blade pumping a lot more viable/generally useable

[sullen forge]

Good Clear and Bolter is for Carapace or sniping

[red mesa]

but i try to use TH build anytime im with solid players

bc its fun

but man good luck clutching with it in havoc

[ionic light]

I can carry just fine with it with flamer and knives

[jagged cradle]

Intresting

I see

[red mesa]

carry feels like an overstatement but maybe you're goated

it bounces off poxwalkers in havoc 40

lmao

[plush estuary]

If you slide it wont do that

Sliding doesn't consume stamina

[ionic light]

Well I usually play auric damn or maelstrom so never messed around in havoc a ton

Don't the lights bounce off regular enemies anyway? Unless you mean the heavies

[red mesa]

ohhh, ok nvm. ya its great there.
its good in havoc too - its just a dedicated boss killer and you struggle vs hordes (it literally hits like 3 poxwalkers and stops, its nuts lol. just knocks the rest around)

[ionic light]

I do, but it's a little annoying to have to tech constantly just to move across a hallway

[red mesa]

in havoc is a good build, but you are relying on your teammates a lot to create space for you and opening to do the boss dmg

in auric maelstrom you can carry with most things, TH totally doable

[ionic light]

It not killing hordes quickly is pretty typical tbh, it mostly just knocks around

[red mesa]

ya, but its at least reasonable in AM

first time i used it in havoc 40 i gasped at how it felt like it was bouncing off poxies lol

i got used to it, and you lean on the flamer but its hard to use in H40 without a reliable team

[ionic light]

I haven't played havoc because you have to pre party and I'm lazy

[red mesa]

understandable

[visual stream]

I haven't played havoc on zealot because my main weapon is unusable dogshit in higher levels

[ionic light]

I've heard you have to run marty to make it feel better in h40

[red mesa]

yes you do

at least i do

i use the same build reginald recently put out for it in havoc

its fun

but with RB existing i think RB is just better - as its boss dmg is still insane if used correctly

and its good vs everything else too

im talking about havoc 40 tho, in auric TH is great

[ionic light]

I find the boss damage to be much much lower, it's still good but absolutely not comparable

[red mesa]

idk its pretty juicy if you use the poke atk + chastise and hit weakspot

[ionic light]

But it's better at everything else

I just never really got used to it personally

[red mesa]

i run RB with either marty, or inoxerable judgement

i go back and forth

[ionic light]

I found that flamer and RB fill the same niche almost, so it's not very satisfying for me

[red mesa]

oh ya if im using RB

i use laspistol or bolt pistol

you need the mobility on your ranged weapon

and i special snipe with them

[carmine falcon]

try stalwart

become imoortal blending machine

dmg taken? never heard of it

[ionic light]

The TH builds I've seen for h40 run laspistol purely for the mobility yeah

[red mesa]

ya, i honestly NEVER use stalwart, i should lol

if i run crit build i all-in crit usually on piety

[ionic light]

But they're dedicated boss killers in a structured team

[carmine falcon]

it works very well with relic

[red mesa]

my issue is relic has no base crit like knife

and running a 5% crit on it feels bad

so why would I run piety when it buffs my combat the least of the 3

[carmine falcon]

its a finesse weapon tho

so benefits from it

[red mesa]

marty is big dmg + as. Inoxerable is dmg + as + improved dodges (<-- this is huge for me for rb)

piety, especially if you run stalwart - its up time is low

your crit chance wont be great

30%?

[ionic light]

Blazing piety being reduced to a sad little buff that's purely used for invocation of death uptime

[carmine falcon]

the thing is, it already deals big damage and benefits from crits still cause its a finesse weapon
u really mostly take it for stalwart which turns u into a tank combined with the talent next to twbs

[red mesa]

i guess its 15% + base 5% + 30% if scourge is stacked

but good luck hitting those bleeds reliably with low crit to start on RB

[ionic light]

I do this with my build

[red mesa]

does stalwart actually make a noticeable difference in survivability in havoc? maybe i should try it

[carmine falcon]

im not really that good with the numbers
all i know is when i take stalwart i take so much less dmg and can dish out more dmg cause these pesky enimies cant break my toughness

[ionic light]

The bleeds are just for invocation of death, that's literally it

[red mesa]

ya, i get that

thats what im saying tho

[ionic light]

I've heard it does yes

[red mesa]

with no bleed talent on it + low base crit chance

[ionic light]

I run bleed and stalwart with TH

[red mesa]

you're gonna be missing bleeds thus missing cooldown and missing extra crits due to scourge A LOT more than a Dueling sword + full piety, or knife, or chain weapon with shred etc

[ionic light]

Yeah but what else are you gonna run

[red mesa]

marty or inoxerable judgement

is what i usually run in havoc to RB carry with chastise (no book)

ill try stalwart tho

you've intrigued me, ive probably undervalued it

[carmine falcon]

its not as effective but works enough to provide the desired effect (tankiness)
marty is too high risk for me to try regularly and IJ doesnt really improve the dodges that much on it cause they're so ass anyway

[ionic light]

Marty is technically good math wise but I honestly think momentum is actually a purely worse version of blazing with stalwart

Using your ability much more often is just better

And it costs more points

[red mesa]

even if its slight, i notice i get smacked randomly a lotless often and find myself able to keep groups in front of me better, I notice it

khanondes too said recently he wsent back to being inoxerable judgement pilled for RB to me i asked him on youtube the other day

just something about it feels smooth

[carmine falcon]

ill give ij relic another shot when they fix these dogass servers

i ran it for 10 or so games and noticed myself eating shit more frequently

[ionic light]

Probably the movement speed

[carmine falcon]

so i was like lets go back to ez mode

[red mesa]

ya that too

ya and im gonna try a havoc 40 with RB + stalwart build tonight

we'll give it a shot

maybe ill like it

[ionic light]

You won't regret it

[carmine falcon]

stalwart build is funny cause the game becomes easier at higher diffs than playing the normal board

not enough enimies dying in normal board to constantly procc the dmg reduction lmaoo

[ionic light]

I like it because it's just shrimple and really strong, kill things give buff, buff give tank and crit, crit give damage and cool down, more fotf spam give more mobility more toughness more damage

No trying to stack up momentum or trying to specifically hit enemies from behind

[plush estuary]

Speaking of DR

In my solo vid

[red mesa]

what do you do with last point? 15 toughness? dance of death? Emperors bullet? not a lot of juicy options

[plush estuary]

I took a crusher overhead

And only took 41 damage

[red mesa]

oh dont get me wrong, piety is my #1 used build over my time on zealot, i just usually go right nodes lol

[ionic light]

Drop sustained assault take the 25% damage reduction on dodge and do whatever with the last point

[red mesa]

now way sustained assault is goated especially in havoc IMO

big dmg increase

[ionic light]

I take twbs simply because it's actually strongest on TH

[red mesa]

i think dropping it is a mistake on h40

since im going for dmg

i could grab good balance if i did drop it or SoC

but idk

[ionic light]

Sustained is just

Really bad headtaker

For two points

[red mesa]

ya i like twbs but theres often just not room for it. I usually dont take it on TH for havoc, you can, but dropping SA is a big loss

[mighty root]

Where’s thy wrath be swift

[red mesa]

SA adds noticeable help to havco 40 hordes, in my experience

at least on TH

maybeeee not needed for rb but

idk its a good talent

[mighty root]

What da hell always take sustained

[ionic light]

Well the stacks drop off when you're charging thrust anyway if you're doing back to back hits so it's only useful for horde clear with TH

[mighty root]

It’s free flat damage

24%

[red mesa]

in AM ya i see that logic.
In havoc its like the difference in you killing 1 guy a swing or 2-3 lol

[carmine falcon]

i take twbs and the one next to it over annoint and purge

[red mesa]

bc dmg also = cleave

[carmine falcon]

oooooo im tanking

[red mesa]

most meta thunder hammer builds for havoc drop TWBS, which can be painful

but you need the dmg boosts

at least if you watch reginalds video, and i tried it both ways

[ionic light]

I haven't really played it personally so I couldn't say

If you need it then you need it

[red mesa]

ill try both ways

[jagged cradle]

Cheater…

[mighty root]

This is thammer right?

[ionic light]

Enemies already don't die fast with th heavies

[red mesa]

or relic blade

no sorry - relic blade for this for havoc

i use marty for hammer

i think marty is needed for hammer in havoc

personally

[ionic light]

Yeah Marty is better for hammer in havoc

[mighty root]

Yeah do this with relic and use sustained assault

[mighty root]

Ok now ur just silly

[ionic light]

Listen, I wish it wasn't true

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-and-danger-silly-danger-this-is-a-silly-gif-967595808447409988

[red mesa]

it is true im not sure hammer feels good enough to use in havoc 40 without marty

[ionic light]

But if you're a dedicated boss killer on your team there's basically no reason to not run marty

[red mesa]

but RB does great with inoxerable judgement, or marty, or piety honestly

[red mesa]

ya i was just questioning the final point as you got an awkward stray lol

i guess these are your best options

[mighty root]

Since you’re using a slow weapon I’d recommend twbs

[ionic light]

I would do double toughness gain on melee kill personally

[red mesa]

dance of death probs on in the discussion at all idk why i even circled it

ya

i shoulda circled blood redemption

instead of DoD

[mighty root]

I’d drop the 2 in the top middle

[red mesa]

personally dont think its needed

i rock without it all the time on RB and hammer in havoc

[ionic light]

[mighty root]

They hate cc immunity

What the scallop

[ionic light]

I mean if you're not running flamer then yeah you could drop purge the unclean

[red mesa]

i could

[ionic light]

I wouldn't though, bulwark damage is just so good

[red mesa]

but i think its good, boss dmg is important in h40

[ionic light]

And boss damage

[red mesa]

and with a laspistol sometimes you kite and spam bosses with it - helps the dmg there A LOT bc of the first talent too

[ionic light]

I should try more RB

I just can't seem to get into it

[plush estuary]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/508 @red mesa

[red mesa]

niceeee ty!

[red mesa]

dont get me wrong, th is still the better boss killer

[ionic light]

Th is so comfy to me

[red mesa]

but it takes more effort to find your openings with hammer for the big spikes, while rb is more consistant at just fighting 'normally'

• better at not bosses

ya i love the TH, its def one of my faves

[ionic light]

It's just a bit slow movement wise, that's all

[red mesa]

i just wish it felt slightly better vs groups of elites, and hordes

I know they reduced the hit stun, but i wish they just removed it and let me go quick with activations and bonks

[ionic light]

Well that's what your flamer crutch is for usually

[red mesa]

like why can i duel 10 crushers with a pointy stick and it kills them like 2x as fast as the thunderhammer

[ionic light]

I feel like it's a lot faster than it used to be, to be honest

[red mesa]

and safer

[ionic light]

That's why I prefer it over RB, it can just keep going forever

[red mesa]

issue with taking flamer + TH is 0 mobility

which can be done

but its hard to clutch

its what i use bc its necessary but

idk, i wish the hammer got just enough QOL love to push it over the edge of being on part with RB more

[ionic light]

Whereas once you hit max heat you're just kinda... Existing if you're not running flamer

[red mesa]

but maybe it doesn't need it

i mean hey, TH IS one of the like 4 weapons zealots use in havoc

so maybe its in an ok spot

[red mesa]

i find a non-heated RB does ok on its own, not ideal but it still clears hordes etc just harder on armor.
and if you manage the heat and turn it off before it overloads it helps a lot

[ionic light]

It's true but fotf spam with invocation of death just barely pulls it into mobile enough for clutching if you sweat enough

Fotf tech with flamer is pretty sweet

[red mesa]

it does, especially on AM

im still figuring out how to use it in h40

but have had some good games

im shitting myself if im left alone tho lol

[ionic light]

I haven't experienced it so I don't know how much tankier things are

But yeah I just like the big chunk damage off bosses, and you just consistently kill crushers over and over and over again, no breaks or heat required

[red mesa]

cole posted all the buffs the other day from AM -> havoc 40

[ionic light]

Ohh, where is it?

[red mesa]

here found it

all Havoc 40 modifiers

1.50x More elite HP
2.00x More Elites
1.50x More special HP
+6 Max Specials
+3 Monsters, 1.70x More HP
3.20x horde Mass, 1.35x More HP
hordes 2.40x More often
2.00x More Ogryns
2.00x Faster Enemy melee Attack Speed
30% Corruption Damage from melee
2.25x More Shots Per shooter Barrage, +30% Faster ranged Enemy Attack Speed
1.85x Terror Event Points (the allowance for "fuck you die" multi event spawns, this is where you will get stuff like 2 bosses spawning at once, a captain and a normal monstrosity)
1.50x Higher Melee Damage recieved
-50% Toughness Regen Speed
-45 base Toughness
-35% base HP
-85% Vent Speed
-50% Ammo from pickups

[ionic light]

I gotcha, so the horde density is mainly the issue with TH not getting through all the trash if your damage isn't high enough

So you gotta crutch on marty

The higher HP too but at some point you hit the cleave limit

[red mesa]

exactly

[ionic light]

I wonder how ironhelm would do then with mixing charges in

Kinda defeats the purpose of running a TH but just a thought

[sullen forge]

The 2x melee speed is horrifying on specifically maulers

Crushers are still predictable but Maulers are genuinely scary with that increased melee speed

[red mesa]

ya it takes adjusting

even regular enemies like your normal timing of sliding/pulling away

and not getting hit

it messes with that stuff

[ionic light]

Dreg ragers must look goofy with a 2x speed gap closing combo

[red mesa]

so sometimes stepping into high havoc without practice or used to AMs, you can go down really quickly getting smacked due to muscle memory movement where you wouldn't before

and a single hit without toughness basically kills you lol

[red mesa]

ya, ive taken dmg from them a bunch trying to slip in heavy attacks on knife for exmaple where normally i can squeeze it in, but in havoc get hit on the backswing

takes some adjusting for sure

[sullen forge]

My deaths literally boiled down to a Mauler catching me by the edge of their hit box and I ran out of dodges in Ainz vid

Hence, I will now use Heavy Sword cause I am not passing up on 5-9 effective dodges

Target Down + Confirmed Kill kinda goes incredibly fucking hard

Honestly half the reason I didn’t fold in gun fights it was literally just getting surrounded by Mauler spam

[red mesa]

you against using knife or DS?

some people are

[sullen forge]

I hate DS

[red mesa]

i honestly love it, im just sick of it. It was my favorite weapon in the game when i was a psyker main before the class reworks

sort of a shame they gave it to everyone and it became meta

bc its a fun af weapon imo

but way overrused

[sullen forge]

but I’m trying to lean off Knife

But I’ll use it if need be

[red mesa]

i crutched DS to learn havoc on Vet if im being honest, but then progressed to powersword once i figured it out

[sullen forge]

I just know that Knife

Especially Rending Bleed is not that great in Rampage

[red mesa]

i still use DS for some builds and for hard matches but powersword is more fun

[red mesa]

rending bleed is ok. For knife on vet i would def run uncanny. As stacking uncanny + frags is a good interaction, and it helps you duel armor anyway since not high crit. and either lacerate if you want bleed, or just rock reposte

ive seen haymaker be used but i dont think its that good

[violet hornet]

Hsword decent for new havoc? I would love to run it if it is

[red mesa]

precog is an option but better on zealot w/ high crit chance

[red mesa]

it honestly is, just struggles vs armor waves

so depends on if you have something else to deal with that like kraks

or w/e

[sullen forge]

IF you have an anti armor option

[red mesa]

and since no uncanny on HS you cant uncanny + bleed

[sullen forge]

Plasma or Bolter

[violet hornet]

Yeah that makes sense, seeing fewer moebian hordes probably helps for sure

I only run hsword with a bolter so this is sounding good to me

[analog ember]

Hsword is a nice sidearm for Bolter

[red mesa]

question aboujt powersword

its harder to use but

[sullen forge]

@plush estuary dead serious is Uncanny lac/FT extremely detrimental on H40

Specifically in the scenario of Tolls and Rampage

[red mesa]

have you tried it with max mobility (cleave target dump) a +3 stam curio, and a +.25 stam regen delay node?

those 3 things make it feel a lot better

(you can technically drop the .25 stam delay one)

[plush estuary]

DoTs do fall off abit in havoc with purple/red

[red mesa]

they do, but something i find people underestimate is dots and dmg sticks to purples, they dont heal each other

[sullen forge]

Shit well

Knife wise what do you say is the best cause of HS isn’t working for me

[red mesa]

I've gotten a lot of value out of bleed grenades + stacking uncanny on DS/knife on vet, even on purple + red modifiers

[sullen forge]

I’m just resorting to knife

[red mesa]

and it will widdle down the purples

its probably not ideal, but it will work in a pinch if you have like an armor wave, multiple purples and need an oh shit

throw those frags, stack uncanny and focus the purples while dodging and killing

they will die

[sullen forge]

We simply throw ourselves at H40 till we find something that sticks I suppose

I’ll see how Bolter HS/Knife performs

[red mesa]

i havent used bolter vet yet personally but seen some people do it

ammo economy is rough

[sullen forge]

I’ve seen Ainz do it and it’s from what I’ve seen at least

Pretty solid

So I might consider knife instead to have anti carapace for melee

[red mesa]

ya using bolter on armor in havoc will run out out of ammo fast

[sullen forge]

Now I’m just wondering cause Uncanny is obvious

With a bleed blessing or Precog cause Recip exists

[red mesa]

this is for vet, not zealot ya?

[sullen forge]

Yes

[red mesa]

its your call but i think honestly the answer migfht be reposte

the crit chance is probs the most consistant

if you run a bleed blessing, you wont have enough base crit to make FT worth it, i think it needs to be lacerate

so uncanny + reposte, lacerate, or precog

lacerate isn't great so, i lean ignoring bleed and using frags for bleed and rocking reposte/prcog

[acoustic dune]

non zealot subject in this zealot chat?
no....

[red mesa]

lacerate + serrated edge is kind of funny tho, but i dont think its good

[sullen forge]

Lacerate is pretty solid if

And only if you can actually juggle head to body chains

That and if you have uncanny but that’s a given

[analog ember]

Nah it’s decent

Just light spam on mk3 and lacerate will proc on hordes even if you’re aiming at the head

[sullen forge]

@plush estuary if you’re ever doing havocs I’ll probably try it out more often seeing I do need to get in the groove of it again

[misty nova]

Are you guys planning on using lacerate on havoc?

A casual horde enemy has 4 mass

Your dinky knife has 3 cleave on lights

[winter oxide]

shroudfield bloodletter chainaxe in havoc 🤝

[mighty root]

[winter oxide]

what is this?

[misty nova]

😭

I know it's bad

But why bleed for the emperor

When vicious offering would be better for this

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/annoying-orange-orange-annoyed-no-nooo-gif-25012293

[subtle sentinel]

Bro got the entire menu

[median steeple]

Holy greed

[misty nova]

Zealot best build just dropped

Y'all just can't comprehend

Smh

[visual stream]

My partner and I duo'd a 5 star raid with 2 seconds left on the clock

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[winter oxide]

demon build

[visual stream]

Grabbing most of the good bits of the tree at least

[misty nova]

Build so bad it's good

😭

[subtle sentinel]

Say

If I get fury

And the thing that counts critical hits towards activation

Does it count the kills and crits gotten while fury is active?

[misty nova]

Are you asking if you can proc Fury Rising multiple times on critical cleave?

Afaik yes you can

[subtle sentinel]

I am asking if I can proc it

Then get a ton of crits while it is up

To make it easier to proc next time

And is it the required kills in a short timeframe, or just that many kills in general with no time limit?

[jagged cradle]

@copper hawk @hard nexus

[misty nova]

If no enemy dies around the zealot after 8 seconds of the last stack
It loses stacks

You don't even have to be the one killing

[subtle sentinel]

Wait I thought

25 enemies die, you get an 8 second boost, then get 25 more

Each kill gives crit boost?

And that stays up as long as someone dies every 8 seconds?

That does sound sick

Do I need 25 stacks exactly to get the crit boost at all?

Or is 25 just maximum?

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-hell-flashback-doom-hell-doom2016-doom-cutscene-gif-24300093

when im off da perc

[misty nova]

You need to reach 25 for the buff to activate and 25 is max stacks

[subtle sentinel]

How fast do they decay?

[misty nova]

Starts slowly then it decays fast

[jagged cradle]

Reasonable

[heady rapids]

@acoustic dune just to make myself clear here you abandoned us and that will be documented

[acoustic dune]

i was eating corns

and the mech warror called to me

[subtle sentinel]

Like how fast?

10 seconds to fully decay?

[hearty nebula]

yea

[subtle sentinel]

Are there any pistols that are basically a luger

Or a broomhandle

[acoustic dune]

laspistol i would say

[visual stream]

I hate that cspawn has an invisible barrier around its back

[long cosmos]

This is why I never plug (they can't be saved if I'm still in the game)

[subtle sentinel]

Should try it some day

[supple phoenix]

Running the standard meta book zealot in havoc, how much less dmg is acceptable compared to the team?

1/3, 1/2?

2/3?

[subtle sentinel]

Book is meta?

I was told it is shit

[mighty root]

It’s good

[mighty root]

The only bad one is stealth

[subtle sentinel]

They said it stops you from doing damage therefore it sucks

[supple phoenix]

People say alot

^^

[acoustic dune]

its not

[mighty root]

It’s good In havoc

[acoustic dune]

its nice to have it

ey fyre

gib me that yakub post

[mighty root]

It’s not meta but not bad by any means

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/yakub-nation-of-islam-noi-dr-yakub-creator-gif-5193467198719540807

[acoustic dune]

the father of the white devils

[mighty root]

My daddy

[acoustic dune]

you daddy

[supple phoenix]

And there my question faded into nothingness 😦

[mighty root]

Book zealot is used to keep the purg psyker alive

And the rest of the team

[stray summit]

whoever told you that is a crazy person

[misty nova]

Well you see

[mighty root]

Technically it does stop you from doing damage

[misty nova]

Damage doesn't tell the full story

[mighty root]

Think about this if you didn’t keep your team alive why would damage matter

[supple phoenix]

Lets pretend I understand what the book does and based on my question I know that I will do less dmg with book zealot. My question if there is a general consencus about how much less dmg is accepatble.

[mighty root]

Tbh even with book zealot still does amazing

[visual stream]

What guns can do both reapers and ragers well?

Asking for vet build

[supple phoenix]

Plasma

[visual stream]

Excluding plasma

[supple phoenix]

:>

[visual stream]

That's cheating

[mighty root]

Book is like vet shout but better, your sacrificing fury for and fury gives you attack speed and crit, you will do less damage as book compared to fury

But

[misty ravine]

OTOH you could also be CC'ing a bunch of enemies just by FOTF spamming, staggering, and killing them. Plus your team should generally not have problems staying alive (especially if you're killing threats fast with an FOTF build). That's why Chorus is "generally not considered worth it" (usually shortened to "shit") until at least mid Havoc tiers.

[heady rapids]

las

[mighty root]

Havoc is its own beast

[heady rapids]

i think they have good unyielding and maniac mod

[mighty root]

Go for survivability

Book is good for that

And the team

@supple phoenix I hope dis helps

[visual stream]

Infantry lasgun?

Recon does decent if you mean that

[heady rapids]

anything i th

laspistol lasgun

recon

they all have good maniac unyielding mods

[visual stream]

Laspistol is a little slow on ragers even with head clicks but it does reapers great

[mighty root]

That’s true but think about the average pub

[misty nova]

Accatran Shotgun

[visual stream]

Actually never used any of the shotties seriously

[supple phoenix]

@mighty root No 😆 I know that. I was just curious if there is a general consensus if there is a % damage cap compared to the rest of the team when playing a havoc mission

[mighty root]

I’d go fury if my team is struggling I go book

[visual stream]

May give it a try

[misty nova]

Load a fire shot, shoot towards Reaper, reaper supressed

[heady rapids]

well i run it on psyker and psyker has like 10 million dmg buffs so my opinion might be a bit crooked

but yeah

[misty ravine]

I don't think anyone has seriously said Chorus is bad in high Havoc. Maybe unhealthy for the game for Havoc to be built around the assumption of people having spammable yellow HP with which to damage gate, but certainly not a shit ability

[supple phoenix]

Say I run around and book my ass off, its all fine and dandy and I do my part. But if I run around with 250k dmg on a full standard map in havoc maybe peole will be sad.

[mighty root]

Ohh my bad tbh not to my knowledge i don’t think too much about doing a ton of damage in havoc when I run book on a good day I get like 700k to 1mil

[mighty root]

I wouldn’t worry about that lol

[supple phoenix]

Nice, as a book zealot?

[mighty root]

If someone says get your damage up or something tell them you’d not be alive because of you

Yup as book zealot

[supple phoenix]

Chatgpt has something to say about this before you gave me a good answer

[misty ravine]

Tell it to fuck off