zealot-class

[ornate bone]

Agreed, I find the overhead strike from 9 is a great. I guess for myself, I’ve just learned to throw a salvo of bolter fire into crusher packs, then charge in swinging. Even if the bolter doesn’t kill then all, it softens them up enough for those overhead strikes with mk9.

I honestly need to get better with MK9.

Speaking of HS, does anyone happen to know the weapon stats needed to hit breakpoints!

[tame sluice]

I think it runs maniacs/unarmored?

one shot headshot ragers/mutants with strikedown heavy, and one shot headshot scab bruisers

[ornate bone]

That I have, I More mean the weapon percentages (like mobility, etc)

[tame sluice]

dump mobility

same as everything else

wait HS has defences

dump that instead

[carmine falcon]

@wary finch like this

just straightforward gimme all the dmg buiild

with this its a pretty comfy and solid hold m1 at big enemy and watch it explode primary

[ornate bone]

See this is the stuff I’m learning still! I only just found out about all this today

[wary finch]

Noted ill try it out when i get home

Thnks

[nimble fiber]

ye caught up and waiting for the newest episode

[covert coral]

so if the point of chorus cdr buuilds is to uuse it as much as possible why dont many people run Pious cutthroat

[plush estuary]

too point hungry if you are going for IoD already

I'd rather actually have a good build then being a book baby to carry a team

[covert coral]

fair was just curious

[plush estuary]

another point is

most people run DS which doesnt often get cutthroat procs

unless they go looking for thy backs

[grizzled aspen]

Also book builds typically are for havoc, and you abuse crit damage reduction talent while having strong crit cdr.

[plush estuary]

which again ruins the build since you are running around only backstabbing

[grizzled aspen]

Depends, are you getting backs while someone is doing their cc ability?

Bc like, you can easily get backstabs and chain choruses.

Or you can get backstabs with a smiteker on your team.

[obsidian prairie]

Or I could leave the match and have fun

[plush estuary]

^

this

every time someone brings smite I just leave

idc

[winter oxide]

i just found out smite reduces my damage lol

[plush estuary]

yup

[obsidian prairie]

I shake my head at them meaningfully

[plush estuary]

welcome to the smite hate club

[winter oxide]

been thinking the stun was useful

[grizzled aspen]

Very valid and true.

[plush estuary]

it ruins zealot's playstyle

they need dodges

they want damage

I always say, if you wanted to fight enemies standing still the meat grinder is free to use

[tame sluice]

that would mean accidentally picking a damage talent in sustained assault

and chorus bots would never

[jagged cradle]

Toxic player

[tranquil owl]

Staying sane worth it

[grizzled aspen]

@zinc talon I found you in a pub the other day btw.

Your name is DangerMagnet on one of your chars, no?

[stone fern]

that cant be tru i found him in EU a few times

[zinc talon]

sure is

my psucker

I'm usually with my routine squaddies when I play, if I'd known I woulda got you in the channel and kept you in the group

or was I that obnoxious, I was obnoxious wasn't I

[zinc talon]

I play EU every now and again wit hswennils and some of the ogrinomicon authors

haven't in a while but it's known to happen

[stone fern]

🤔

i think you may have some impersonators then because it happened like 3-4 times

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-kid-sigh-ugh-mhmm-gif-684458659437199505

[grizzled aspen]

Nah I went down, died, and had to leave for work.

Didn't have time to wait to be rescued.

But I did go "Okri???" when I heard you voip that it was a dog on you and you weren't down.

[tawdry leaf]

someone please explain this fucking penace

i swear i stun 40 lesser enemies kill them and it somehow doesnt count

[jagged cradle]

I found a teto space marines edit it’s kinda good

[wary finch]

Show it

[grizzled aspen]

Do it with another zealout, their stuns count too.

Prob want to use something like relic blade or heavy sword.

Or flamer.

[zinc talon]

god bless weapon customizations

[tawdry leaf]

Yeah I tried relic blade

Maybe ill try flamer

[placid fiber]

Anyone else hate trappers? I know I do. Here's a satisfying video where I kill multiple per shot, with the ogryn's heavy stubber. >:3

Also I love this recording I did. Knowing it was possible to 1 shot a plague ogryn with 0 extra buffs(sustained assault/headtaker/slaughterer/duelist) really made me happy.

It did take all 6 marty buffs, to do it to a damnation plague ogryn... otherwise it would have required 1 sustained assault/headtaker/slaughterer stack to do it

[mighty root]

@spare talon it’s dead man’s tale

[ivory marlin]

LMAO

[placid fiber]

I only have 1 oggy melee left to master >.>

[misty nova]

Get big cleaver

The keystone modifier

Those sweeps only have 11.1 cleave iirc

That's pretty low for Ogryn standards

But paul also staggers which means that enemies also get -mass

Hmmmm paul also has confident strike

But then you'd lose on BM and Skrusher

[ornate bone]

This penance works good if you have a flamer. Stun the horde with a couple grenades and burn them down

[tawdry leaf]

yeah if i can get a horde

problem is

my team

🥀

[wary finch]

My condolensces

[ornate bone]

If you ever wanna try for it, I’m happy to jump into a game and hold off so you can stun/melt. What difficulty do you play?

[empty python]

average H40 bonking

[tawdry leaf]

typically just normal damnation but i can run up to auric high intensity shock troops

ive never done any maelstroms though, and i have done havoc 40

[placid fiber]

I've been redecorating, what do you all think? :3

[placid fiber]

Yeah, the paul might be rough for me to level up x.x

[ornate bone]

I do normal damnation myself, only messed with Auric maelstrom a few times here and there

I’ll be on playing in about 4 hours after work.

[visual stream]

You can look at the nose and beak as if it was its own face

[visual stream]

Does the creature have a name

[void bison]

a dark and powerful name that causes madness and terror in all who hear it

Kevin

[empty python]

huh

thought it'd be like...Corax or sth

[misty nova]

https://x.com/DailyFPSEnemies/status/1919926732670271821?s=19

Daily FPS Enemies (@DailyFPSEnemies) on X

[Submission]

Today’s FPS enemy is the Creeper from Borderlands 2!

X · May 7, 2025, 1:26 AM

[bright isle]

The sheer quantity of moments I have spent going full Loner just to finish that damnable immolation grenade penance is absurd, but I did it.

[jagged cradle]

@copper hawk

[surreal spruce]

relic blade mobility dump stat?

[misty nova]

Mobility

Everything else is damage related or powered uptime

[ornate bone]

So for weapon stats, do you basically wanna reroll all stats until they’re all 80% with mobility down at 60% and under?

[analog ember]

Generally you want 80 in all stats and 60 in mobility or defense

There are a few exceptions

[ornate bone]

And if it’s 80 in all stats, that means it will reach 80 when full upgraded to 500, yeah?

[analog ember]

Yah I believe so, though tbh never paid attention to that stat

It just doesn’t matter

[magic basin]

hammer trinket on hammer is so funny

[placid fiber]

Welp, time for the torture that is the power maul... the power maul's special at least does more damage than it used to :\

[mild hull]

Well after you upgrade it to 500 it will do all the damage power maul can do

Except you'll have to change it's blessing for something actually useful

[placid fiber]

Oh God... I saw a thammer with hammerblow

[magic basin]

skullcrusher opportunist lightspam with soften them up, hard knocks and impactful HH aint that bad

tried recently and its usable

help

[hexed igloo]

I thought it'd be Jared

[misty nova]

Sorry that was me

No in fact
I got trauma on mine

[void bison]

Kevin has never been to subway

[placid fiber]

I did a risk and took weapons I am leveling the mastery for and rating for into a mortis trial. It turned out very well, considering I actually got decent randos that time x.x

Grenade gauntlet is pretty good, and the paul feels way better than the last time I used it... which was... like... back in probably january or february of 2023 <.<'

I'm definitely glad I took the +25% ammo talent, since the grenade gauntlet only has a moderate amount of ammo <.<'

[winter oxide]

weird i just realized ive been using heavy sword 9

thought i was using the 6

[placid fiber]

This is one of the better rolled melk weapons I have seen for quite a while

[obsidian prairie]

Funny how that used to be a god roll

[placid fiber]

or how we had to settle for something like 8% weakspot damage, because we had to use our 2 rerolls on the other perk and a blessing

[empty python]

thammer with hammerblow is goated af, doesn't do anything drastic to breakpoints for H40 and can knock ragers, crushers and maulers, even LTs on their asses easily

[sullen forge]

Not pure damage thus bad............

[empty python]

eh, at some point it's just dimishing return, tbh, the only thing that's really noticeable with and without headtaker is that at max headtaker stacks you only have to charge Thrust to 2 stacks into order to kill a 21st moebian infected in the head in H40, instead of 3 stacks, but that's about it lol. Being able to stagger and knock 5-6+ dreg ragers rushing at you with hammerblow is pretty nice

[misty nova]

Like
Doesn't Grievuous Wounds or whatever the name already makes it so hammer staggers

[sullen forge]

I think people underestimate stagger at times im ngl, but look I'd say the most insane min-max class is going to be this one

so expect pure damage dumping

or well pumping

[empty python]

the 30% impact node?

[misty nova]

Nope
Grievous Wounds

Not hammer of faith

[empty python]

the 50% imapct weakspot?

[misty nova]

Yeah that one

[empty python]

if we're talking about it alone, it's sometimes not enough to stagger ragers or crushers when they're already either charging their attack or doing their attack flurry unfortunately. Plus it can be hard to hit their head in the midst of things, with how wonky hitboxes can be.

max stacks hammerblow, without even needing grievous wounds or hamemr of faith, you can stagger ragers and crushers out of their attack animation even with just 1 stack of thrust willy nilly, even without hitting the head

can basically stunlock crushers

even knock them on their feet

Thammer probably has the best hammerblow stagger breakpoints, next to crusher

[copper hawk]

This guy looks cool

[misty nova]

Why's his name Seal (Foca)

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-dance-seal-dance-animal-animal-dance-gif-27375218

[copper hawk]

Inner circle companion looks cooler than empys champion

Grr ,,

[bitter anvil]

What is this mobile slop game?

[copper hawk]

Tacticus

[bitter anvil]

Yeah I remember now

[median steeple]

yummy yummy BTs

[copper hawk]

I dont like them anymore

Blood Angels r the shit naow

My beloved murder twinks and their successors

[misty nova]

And that's the end of my second Rogue Trader playthrough

This game's balance is ridiculous

Oh yeah
I did not become dogmatic, iconoclast or heretical on this one

[obsidian prairie]

Unfortunate

One more run required for 100%

[median steeple]

glad you had character progression

[median steeple]

love da scars

can't wait for Russ to come back

[misty nova]

Well you see
I keep getting Astartes equipment with the heretical requirement

So maybe I can recruit Uralon

But at the same time I just want to go full dogmatic

See how blind faith will fare

[obsidian prairie]

||he’s shit like the rest of the secret companions||

[misty nova]

And Argenta "vanished" on this ending as well

Welp guess Argenta dead still strong

Rip Argie

Heavy hitter muhfuh that carried my ass twice so far

[obsidian prairie]

Argenta overperformed so hard in my first run I dropped her in my two runs after that

1.0 Arch Militant + 1.0 Officer was fucking insane

[copper hawk]

Wonder what would happen to a Blood Angels Deathwatch Marine if they fell to the Black Rage during their vigil

[misty nova]

If no one got me
I know that Abe and Argie got me

Can we get a for the emperor

Oh cassia was also there

Still have no idea what Henrix is supposed to be

Warrior Arch-militant Santic Biomancer

Hmmm maybe I should go full divination next playthrough

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

Full dodge build

There's also that one ability that "revives" teammates

Oh right, after a playthrough of Pyromancer

https://tenor.com/view/frank-reynolds-danny-devito-oh-my-god-i-get-it-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-1719969854406009304

I gotta make some room and share some clips

Yeah yeah

Welp

[obsidian prairie]

7 psy rating pyro bladedancer executioner absolutely shitting on everything

And that’s not even a comparatively high psy rating

You can hit double digits without gambling

[remote wasp]

Pick up the crusher

[misty nova]

Best I can do is bone breaker maul

Anyways

See y'all later

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-gif-20949327

[placid fiber]

They took that instead of Thrust(they took hammerblow instead of thrust) >.>

[empty python]

OH

ok that's a sin then lmao

then again, I DO also have a hammer with hammerblow and headtaker, it's actually not too bad

[acoustic dune]

The frigzard

[nimble fiber]

[placid fiber]

I'm gonna be honest here... I never thought I'd see the day that I leveled up the power maul's mastery to level 20... but here it is, I have all ogryn melee weapons at level 20 mastery >.>

[sullen forge]

Modelo space marine

[spare talon]

Adeptus Intoxicates

[placid fiber]

Huh, I've unintentionally done all besides 1 of the ogryn's penances... all I have left is taunt a bit over 700 more specials and elites with loyal protector :\

I was actually only using the frag bomb to finish that ogryn penance, but, it was really useful tonight

Joined at wave 10 in the mortis trials and they didn't give me my 2 major indulgences until after wave 12 was finished >.>

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

Any1 wanna toys

[jagged cradle]

So late?

[winter oxide]

which ranged weapon on zealot is the most similar to the helbore lasgun?

[jagged cradle]

None?

Just play vet

[winter oxide]

unlucky

[undone pewter]

Maybe like vigilant autos

And that's a stretch

[winter oxide]

I'll try that

how's the damage on it?

[spare talon]

Honestly pretty bad

Vigilant autoguns are pretty poopy rn

[mild sparrow]

Regular lasgun or bolter I guess

[winter oxide]

💀

[mild sparrow]

Nothings really going to feel like a hellbore

[winter oxide]

will use bolter then

have to kill ranged specialists

[mild sparrow]

If you just want to snipe ranged + specials, you might want to look at revolver or bolt pistol

Less clunky than the bolter

[mild sparrow]

You don't have exe stance to make up for the bolters bad handling on zealot

[jagged cradle]

It’s kinda cute

[winter oxide]

I feel like the revolver eats ammo like crazy

[placid fiber]

depends on how good your aim is and if you are playing on havoc or not

on havoc I don't know if it would be very good, since it relies on breakpoints for 1 shots afaik

[mild sparrow]

Revolvers ammo econ is fine for me. I'm usually charging in to stab heretics as a zealot anyway lol

Bolt pistol has more ammo if you would prefer that

[frosty herald]

Atleast 1 person would say that this is animal abuse

[copper hawk]

Shredder

[median steeple]

Dandelion soup ♥️

[placid fiber]

Hey, Cica, how cursed is this build I have for the mortis trials(so that I can have nades)? >.> https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9edc6f47-8e5b-4192-9dad-20a5aad916b4

It's not really a serious build, it just is a build that has twbs(for the stupid machines), fire nades for nade synergy, and the weapon and gun are just placeholders atm >.>

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-gif-12732720091837856159

the new shop rotation

[placid fiber]

The veteran looks like they got a ninja outfit >.>

[copper hawk]

What is it

[copper hawk]

Ah

Rerun

[full nebula]

yep

2 l8

ogryn krieg helmet probably the only good thing they added back

[acoustic dune]

how does this help with the zealot economy

[solar gorge]

come nerevar and gaze upon the slop

upon the slop

[carmine falcon]

Bruh

[full nebula]

just gotta hold it more steady

Zealot doesn't need something like Executioners Stance. Zealot has a talent called Dance of Death which tightens your spread by 75% on dodge.

[mild sparrow]

Recoil not the issue

Sure you have knives to animation cancel but it's just annoying to pull the thing out

[full nebula]

but knives

Pretty much all of my bolter builds run knives, so i guess I can't complain much lol

[carmine falcon]

It's still alright even without knives
Just get used to the timing

[mild sparrow]

The silent trapper coming up behind you:

[gray ice]

Huehuehuehuehue

[stone fern]

what do we think?

[nimble fiber]

[full nebula]

this instead

[stone fern]

going back to thammer after playing ogryn

the stamina and PA costs are crazy

at the very least the max stamina should be higher on ironhelm since its the "lighter model" and you need to PA for H3 and to get enough space for an activated heavy

[full nebula]

i just slide 24/7

[stable cypress]

skull equivalent of the nerd emoji imo

[stone fern]

yeah but still i block ONE attack i have zero stamina

[full nebula]

o

[stone fern]

one attack from a trashmob thats all thammer stamina can handle

[full nebula]

i just dont block

[stable cypress]

time to stack +3 stam curios

[full nebula]

well

i hold block when dodging should i actually get hit

but i dont block attacks

[stone fern]

cant afford it on marty

[stable cypress]

oh its on marty OOF

I'm sorry for your loss

or happy for you ig

[full nebula]

ah

yeah thats booty

aint it chief

[stone fern]

smh imagine thammer not working on the keystone it was MADE FOR

that would be crazy

[stable cypress]

? I like marty on weapons with better base mobility

[full nebula]

toss +stamina regen on all curios

[stone fern]

like giving beacon of purity to marty

[full nebula]

doesnt help the drain but at least itll help manage

idk, the only marty build i have is with relic

blade

Anyone have a good build for chorus or stealth? Basically all of my builds are FF. I love meta and well made balanced skill trees

[stone fern]

no

[full nebula]

good as in fun

not meta

[stone fern]

yeah

[full nebula]

it doesnt exist

[stone fern]

chastise isnt always used because its meta

[full nebula]

its because its better than the other abilities in every way except in certain niches

[stone fern]

its used for everything because its more fun than press F spam ping for someone else ot play the game for you aka "chorus"

[full nebula]

nah, i used chorus for a good while. You just gotta know when to use it, people use it when they get one big group. Best to save it for bosses and bad senarios.

this is all for auric anyway

[empty python]

I run piety with thammer (and honestly most melees on zealot anyway) cuz it gives hella lots of cdr for thunderhammer + chastise to delete boss with. It works so well in H40. It's not the best crit melee, but some extra crit is never a bad thing.

[mild sparrow]

Chorus is just "The Build" but with Chorus lol

Keystone is weapon dependent

[stone fern]

tbh id take off one upgrade off the keystone and chorus and go for anointed and purge

[empty python]

honestly in general, piety just helps out a lot of melees regardless of their base crit chance tbh, helps with cdr and 50% tdr on crit thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9UqIlEVso piety thammer and inf autogun in H40

[carmine falcon]

based piety hammmer gamer

[placid fiber]

I have to say... it feels really good having a maxed out weapon on a character you are leveling >.>

The other maxed out weapon that I have is a thammer, on this character I am leveling :3

[plush estuary]

try pinning fire for faster dps

[placid fiber]

Instead of blaze away?

[full nebula]

flamer good for it? I've used it for like 4 games in who knows how many hours on zealot

[placid fiber]

This character is level 20, right now. I am not taking inspiring barrage off of their autopistol. I would consider it, if they were level 30... but... idk, inspiring barrage just synergizes so well with me :\

[full nebula]

NO

YOU MUST PLAY META ALL THE TIME

[carmine falcon]

you're throwing bro!!!

[mild sparrow]

Don't see why not

[placid fiber]

Jokes on you, the meta on autopistol for me is blaze away and inspiring barrage.

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[placid fiber]

Ever since they changed how inspiring barrage and I put it on my autopistol the 1st time I've kept it on all autopistols no matter what. It is just so good, and it synergizes amazingly with me and my playstyle... It is just... the way, for me <.<

[full nebula]

Drippy or naw?

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

tfw a different opinion

[misty nova]

Those skulls are such unnecessary weight

[full nebula]

meta is the only way to play the game, clearly

[misty nova]

💀

[full nebula]

look how fatshark designed it

.

[subtle sentinel]

Throw it at them

Throw them at the enemies

[full nebula]

imagine two human skulls hitting you in the back while you're fighting

[subtle sentinel]

Did anyone try to read the texts on those seals and pants

[full nebula]

i need a mod to zoom in on it in my inventory

https://tenor.com/view/too-tiny-ken-jeong-too-small-quinting-cant-read-gif-15407148

[tame sluice]

for zealot literally yes

because their skill tree has some of the most broken bullshit on it

and all the worst garbage in the game on it

[full nebula]

[tame sluice]

fucking 5% impact

lmao

[full nebula]

problem is the game had no real direction from the start, so they've just been figuring out power balancing as they go

"figuring out"

[plush estuary]

no?

up until patch 13 there was a path

then the combat director left

then it went downhill

[full nebula]

🤔

i think its pretty undeniable that a lot of things are really

half baked

[carmine falcon]

was it better before patch 13

the old trees look a lot less indepth

[full nebula]

the early tree was trying to follow design of vt2

idk how they changed it later on

is stealth just the meta build but with stealth

[misty nova]

Unless you're going stealth martyrdom hammer then you can path through loner

Or get taxed and don't go loner

[stone fern]

nah loner thammer mid

[misty nova]

Clad
It's because you use the mid hammer

If you were using the Goated Crucis....

[placid fiber]

So, what do you guys think of my level 21 zealot's thammer? :3

besides not perfect lol

[full nebula]

you should see the weapons on my level 6 ogryn

[mild sparrow]

62 defences - unusable

[placid fiber]

Let me guess, all 500 rated? >:3

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-nuh-uh-scout-tf2-gif-12750436057634665505

the drips

finally have all my builds done, unless theres more i need

probably

[misty nova]

Weird name ngl

[carmine falcon]

brother has been spending gyatt dayum

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-kazuma-kiryu-kiryu-stare-must3ee-angry-kazuma-kiryu-gif-7599598216104391027

[copper hawk]

this mod is so peak

fack u horu s,,

[carmine falcon]

bro not gonna be able to enjoy base game again

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

i dont rlly care for the combat

even w the more enemies mods i got

and the dress up is super buggy

but i have death company ,,

[frosty herald]

even less content in the new warbond

why am i not surprised

[carmine falcon]

just download customization mods that arent related to astrates

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40000spacemarine2/mods/147

nvm i think it might need astrates

[copper hawk]

noon.

noob.

[carmine falcon]

idk its not clear in the instructions

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/hurt-you-a-lot-evcord-evacord-i-could-hit-you-and-hurt-you-a-lot-david-barrera-gif-9120924250189534105

[tranquil owl]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-baby-walk-away-walking-away-cart-gif-14030319160412631185

[plush estuary]

what if instead of Darktide, its was called Dorktide and we all just goofed off

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-avengers-gif-15783187

I'm always geeked out

[plush estuary]

havoc 40 isnt that hard

[carmine falcon]

fighting is overrated

[misty nova]

Uh that can't be real

Right?

RIGHT?

[plush estuary]

its real

[misty nova]

💀

[plush estuary]

I dc'ed at the end event

the real scoreboard

[misty nova]

Ah I see

Lmao

Aw

[clever swan]

havoc 40 isnt hard (-> has a team with a combined 1000 hours+ on just havoc alone)

[plush estuary]

lol

[misty nova]

Thought it was first h40 pacifist

I'm madge

[plush estuary]

I think combined our team has around 11,000 hours in the game

lol

me 3k

[carmine falcon]

errm get a life!!

[plush estuary]

psyker 3.5

keje 3.9

ld around 100

[carmine falcon]

damn

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-of-damage-gif-21579882

hours*

[violet hornet]

Hardest part about havoc 40 is getting into a lobby

(I assume, I haven't been in one since the havoc rework)

[carmine falcon]

i wish havoc enimies didnt deal so much dmg

im shit defensively and cant horse around

[plush estuary]

nah

really easy

just skill of players vary too much for the normal player to handle

you either get a level 34 with havoc level 1 or people like me

[misty nova]

Bro just go the effortless way

Agile

[violet hornet]

You say that but I'm still gonna spend an hour sitting there in team finder getting rejected by level 60 ogryns hosting havoc 35+

[carmine falcon]

oh no i can dodge push and block just fine
What i cant control is my monkey brain making me fotf into everything that breaths

i make too many risky moves that havoc punishes

[violet hornet]

I have spent maybe 2-3 hours trying to find a havoc 30+ lobby since the patch and if I don't host one in not getting accepted

[carmine falcon]

when i hosted a few i found players fast

there's always some cracked mfs looking to farm gear

so they join havocs between 20-30

[violet hornet]

I've done maybe 12-15 havoc matches since the rework and every game except 2 my team has just wiped repeatedly

[misty nova]

Now that things normalized around here I should definitely get back to havoc

[carmine falcon]

cause people dont understand boss triggers and just W+

[violet hornet]

I did see one good ogryn and a decent vet but beyond that it was either complete noobs or the rustiest players

[misty nova]

I haven't played the new conditions at all

[carmine falcon]

new havoc is way more fun if you have a team

[violet hornet]

Every team just pushes constantly

[carmine falcon]

if u have W+ pushers its fucked

they trigger every boss on you

good luck lmao

[violet hornet]

Warning them that we're gonna get a twins spawn on the bridge like the last two attempts means nothing, they're still gonna run ahead and trigger them, a cspawn, and the DH cultists as well

[violet hornet]

I can tell it's in a better place than it was before at least, I don't fold the moment a single shooter hits me now lol

[carmine falcon]

ill try to make another go at havoc and ill try to get people on vc

[carmine falcon]

old havoc filtered me hard
insta death shooters and goo

absymal dogshit

[stable cypress]

I'm glad goo is back but I wish we had it with moebian 21st

[carmine falcon]

bbbbbut its le hard mode I DONT CARE

[violet hornet]

Honestly the issue for me is likely getting below havoc rank 30 from trying to play right after the patch dropped and having mods crash my game twice in a row (the moment I crash the team folds)

[carmine falcon]

goo is the worst thing ever concieved

hey dawg i heard you like area denial so i added some more area denial on top of the 1 billion specialist that do area denial so you get area denied on top of being area denied

[misty nova]

Five hundred goo puddles

Seven thousand fucking goo
Green this man

[tame sluice]

easy modifier

[carmine falcon]

its not about difficulty, its just unfun

[misty nova]

Me omw to stack corruption res
Bomber res
With Steady Grip so I can huff all the bombs from Tox bomber

[empty python]

honestly I'd say moebian 21st is more unfun, I'm kinda ok with blight spreads.

and pus hardened, fuck that shi

[visual stream]

What is it about game devs and making buffs of any kind 30%

Most buff numbers are always 30%

[carmine falcon]

nah i like mobians

cause normal hordes are too ez with the weapons i use

[empty python]

in a way, I do like moebian 21st, but having to take into account 2 types of breakpoints isnt exactly fun lol, at least with blight spread I dont have to have take all that into account tis all.

[carmine falcon]

oh i dont care about breakpoints for any hordes

i just keep smacking them until they die

my most used weapons are relic blade and crusher so i be smacking

[empty python]

I suppose so

still, would be cooler if they just outright add moebian 21st into standard horde mix, like they did with mutated poxwalkers.

[carmine falcon]

i'd love that

cause no joke trash hordes are a meme with THE BUILD TM on zealot

[empty python]

it also would look less goofy because I don't like the whole thing with grunts literally just being 21st moebian visually lol

you're saying a whole ass regiment got turned, thousands of them

BOI

[ornate bone]

Sooooo I’ve been running combat axe for a few days now and it’s fucking awesome. However, I hear tac axe us just as good if not better. Any thoughts?

[empty python]

Achlys caxe with Thrust and BM is GOATED

[ornate bone]

Same build as combat axe work? IJ as keystone

[misty nova]

Wrong

Combat Axe>>>> tac axe

Tac axe is more akin to a balanced knife

[empty python]

yeah I use IJ with Achlys Combat axe, with Thrust and BM.

played it a few times in H40, goated

[misty nova]

You either CRIT with tac axe or go home

[empty python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1acu4sQKk1A&t=124s

[ornate bone]

I’ll try it out. Tac axe is at 0 for me currently so I need to level it

[misty nova]

And whatever you do

Avoid tac axe 4

[ornate bone]

Gotcha. No tax axe 4

[grizzled aspen]

Taxe 2 is the realest option.

[empty python]

this is why I run stealth thunderhammer zealot sometimes in H40 lol

giga boss dmg

also piety iag 940 critical hits dealt 👍

crit iag is goated af.

honestly i think it's better than flamer for trash-clear and other purposes

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/joy-amusement-spongebob-riding-hook-gif-25430761

[empty python]

just sayin, 431 ranged kills and I wasn't even using it all the times :/, and I can also take care of elites and specials from afar for team

honestly, dont understand why people bring flamer instead of other options, but eh.

[misty nova]

Kid named infinite cleave

[empty python]

shit ammo eco tho, but it's honestly only pretty good for horde clear and not really much else

there's only so much hordeclear that you really need

[glass tartan]

Guys what’s the best build for relic sword? Do I go blazing piety or inexorable judgement? Good ranged to pair it with?

[misty nova]

IJ

Any ranged

Like laspistol

IJ helps Relic with attack speed and better dodges
RB is a generalist so it won't be ranged dependant

[glass tartan]

Thanks

[silver marsh]

So about relic blade, I see flak+elites is recommended, no carapace? Is it just meant for havoc or auric also? No meaningful breakpoints with carapace?

[misty nova]

The sprinting stab to the head with chastise is enough to bring down a Crusher

[silver marsh]

Aight thanks mate

[stone fern]

"Relic Blade Dump: Mobility
-All other stats will affect damage
Perks: Maniac + Unyielding
Blessings: Rampage + Cranial Grounding"
is whats recommended in the guide

and i trust ainz more than lumi emperor rest his soil

soul

[violet hornet]

I wonder what breakpoints maniac enables, I have been running unyielding+ elites

[ornate bone]

I can’t find thrust, is it a blessing?.

Doesn’t show up with taxe!

Is it decimator? Maybe they removed it?

[misty nova]

Oh no
Achlys is a combat Axe

Not a tactical axe

[ornate bone]

Ohhhh I have a combat axe build that slaps hard.

Do you guys have some taxe blessing suggestions?!

[plush estuary]

BM HT

[analog ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1369536338088558682/image.png?ex=681e31db&is=681ce05b&hm=c33fe0c30f01615d591f326ee782cf05c17602912fdd0480260e885836a94cad&

[misty nova]

[empty python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GWmip1QuSo Shroudfield Havocing

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/snorg-snout-dog-doggy-snoot-gif-27331405

[tranquil owl]

https://tenor.com/view/borg-borg-queen-star-trek-first-contact-alice-krige-gif-16932792

[acoustic dune]

would

[clever swan]

https://tenor.com/view/jeri-ryan-seven-of-nine-beauty-irrelevant-star-trek-voyager-gif-27656018

[acoustic dune]

lies and deception

everything could be beautiful

if you try hard enough

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/severance-mr-milcheck-true-morgan-freeman-dylan-gif-6682673649349126035

[clever swan]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-ang-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-super-heroes-gif-5389961

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/true-true-succesfully-deployed-get-this-man-a-true-true-succesfully-taken-gif-12012125126033702180

[ivory marlin]

Would yall rather be millions of little insects under a hivemind that believes its human and never know the truth or would yall rather be an ai that will never know its not real

[acoustic dune]

have a body

or dont have a body

thats wack

[ivory marlin]

Youll have a body for the bug one but in the ai one you’ll only believe you have one but wont every know for sure

[round jetty]

anyone grinding shocking stuff penance want to group up to achive it?
its the penance to get 40 kills on stunned enemies within 10 secs as zealot
seems like it would be easier to herd the chaff together with a group

[acoustic dune]

i like having a body

am i water resistance?

[ivory marlin]

Yeah

[misty nova]

Leo XIV

🔥

[solar gorge]

xiv

odd surname

[misty nova]

Real

[spare talon]

It has to be you who gets all 40 kills

Any kill someone else makes doesn't count

[ornate bone]

I’m not good enough to run Martyrdom. One day maybe.

[analog ember]

Just do it. It’s honestly not that hard… though maybe don’t do it in high havoc

I don’t think marty is actually much more difficult than IJ or Piety

[misty nova]

Full send it at h40

[round jetty]

yes i realise but if your teamates are all pushing the chaff together rather than cleaving through it them selves then i think it would be really easy to pull off

[misty nova]

The fear will keep you sharp

Insta unlocking your inner martyrdom player

[spare talon]

You just need a damnation horde and a flamer

You don't even need anyone else cuz the flamer hits stagger horde enemies

[round jetty]

yea i have run about 20 or so of those with a really good maxed flamer but i cant get more than 37 kills because everyone else kill steals

[spare talon]

If it's a random match you can just ask if they can leave the horde alone so you can do it
Or you could get someone just to be able to load into a private game of mercantile and use the horde right at the start

[ornate bone]

If I’m gonna run it, I’ll make sure I pick a more…balanced weapon.

Issue with martyrdom is more that I play very aggressive as zealot, depending if the group has a tanky melee class like ogryn or not. More often they don’t, so I find martyrdom just leads me to death. Lol

[analog ember]

Do it with relic blade and turn into a human blender

And don’t worry, you can die for free once every two minutes anyway

Mk3 knife and mk4 taxe are very fun for marty memes as well

As is Rashad

[stone fern]

shocking stuff is legit undoable with current spawns

[spare talon]

Spawns haven't changed in months

[stone fern]

you kinda have to get a private game going and wait for the hoard to increase

[spare talon]

And I've helped people do it

[plush estuary]

I've done shocking stuff like 50 times this past like 3 months...

[spare talon]

With that exact mercantile thing

[plush estuary]

mercantile op

[stone fern]

you've helped people do it

[spare talon]

Or you do what I said

[stone fern]

meaning it wasnt in pubs

[spare talon]

And just load up mercantile

[stone fern]

dude i cheesed mercantile 25 times for ogryn nuke

hoard doesnt work correctly like 1:4 times

[spare talon]

Did you wait for the horde to actually reach you

[stone fern]

yes

it gives me patches instead of a hoard every other game

[spare talon]

Idk what to tell you
If the horde isn't upstairs it's downstairs

[stone fern]

🤔

i mean the starter hoard after the first breach directly no?

[spare talon]

It literally always spawns a horde that never stops

[stone fern]

its supposed to

but not always

[plush estuary]

always...

[spare talon]

It always does

[plush estuary]

unless you break the 2nd wall

that stops the spawns

1st wall is okay

[stone fern]

sometimes it spawns like 10 dudes instead of a full hoard

[plush estuary]

2nd inst

[stone fern]

im telling you guys

ive queued into it killed the first hoard and left then requeued

25 times

it doesnt always work

[acoustic dune]

then bugs

[plush estuary]

I'm sorry that it doesnt work for you, but I've used it more than like 300 times in the past few months

maybe unlucky horde timer

[ornate bone]

Yeah I’d do relic blade to start. Then prob try out combat axe.

Once I get taxe to 20 I’ll try it as welll

[obsidian prairie]

Just drop 300000 dockets in greys and upgrade to green then sac

[placid fiber]

Uh, I don't know why I sent that >.>'

[void bison]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1022320056195100762/1062539360697852025/ezgif-3-f909b13c85.gif

[placid fiber]

Also: I've been playing ror2 ever since gearbox released the 3rd part of the dlc fix. So far it has been good. They reworked most of the items they added, fixed gilded elites having 6x hp instead of 4x, and tweaked 2 of the survivors the dlc added and massively reworked the 3rd(chef is now good)

That being said, I don't know what to think about gearbox... but they at least fixed the mess they released :\

[tame sluice]

the problems that created the shitty release still exist even if they fix the shitty release

[placid fiber]

That is true, but, you have to remember... fatshark did the same with darktide(just giving us an incomplete game with jank instead of really fucking shit up like gearbox did with a rushed dlc)

[void bison]

I only played the first dlc

[placid fiber]

Well... I can officially say it is probably worth getting now, instead of: "Uh... only get it if you wanted more stuff in ror2"

[void bison]

my name is randy pitchford PLEASE make porn of my video game

[obsidian prairie]

Huh

What

[misty nova]

We are on the era of gaming where you can release broken shit and fix 2 years later

[sullen forge]

Correct

[placid fiber]

Did you ever want to beat the wildlife of petrichor 5 with a club? Ground them? Laser them? The 2nd dlc actually has a character that does this. And I mean with a club instead of with fists >.>

[misty nova]

You can also release masterpieces

[placid fiber]

One of the characters actually has a ground pound attack >_>

[misty nova]

Good enough
Welcome back acrid

https://tenor.com/view/ror2-risk-of-rain-acrid-hulk-gif-16129893912902444328

[placid fiber]

There's also a new stage 5 <.<

It feels weird.... I can actually shill the dlc gearbox made for ror2 without feeling bad...

[void bison]

I played chef a couple years ago

as a mod

I just don't feel like buying the dlc but chef is neat

[round jetty]

been queing into mercantile since it was sugested and theres no chance of getting shocking stuff there

[spare talon]

did you queue privatly with someone

or are you just loading in with a matchmade team and leaving it to chance

[round jetty]

no one on this discord will queue with me and none of my mates play it

so i have no choice

[storm pagoda]

are you conquest

[plush estuary]

if only there was someone who helps people

[spare talon]

im literally not home

[plush estuary]

I'm literally in a havoc

[void bison]

I am so lonely. All the other rejects are scared of me. Noone talks to me. Noone wants to be my squadmate-- They think I am unstable. They send me from hive city to hive city committing atrocities in His name. And as I get better at it, they fear me more and more. I am a victim of my own success. Zealot. I don't even get a real name, only a purpose. I am capable of so much more and noone sees it. Some days I feel so alone I could cry, but I don't. I never do. Because what would be the point? Not a single person in the entire universe would care. Take it to your grave.

[round jetty]

who is conquest?

[median steeple]

conquesting it

[solar gorge]

stand ready for my worm

[stone fern]

I did it by having someone with me we killed the bots then he died and i spent like 5 minutes sprinting in a circle in an event to densify the hoard ainz prolly has better solutions tho

i dont think its very easily doable in pubs

[round jetty]

yea its next to impossible in pubs, but i dont have much choice

[round jetty]

useful idea tho cheers

[placid fiber]

My brain when I got of work: (It was fried)

I'm just chilling in this false son run... I am not sure if they nerfed him or not, because he's still really powerful... I didn't really look that close at the changes/tweaks they did to him <.<

False Son is a character that lets you play Risk of Rain 2 half brained

Any answer you choose is correct

Club? Correct. Slam? Correct. Spikes? Correct. Dash? Correct. Beam? Correct. <.<

You choose to stand still in front of an overoading stone golem that is lasering you? Well... that isn't probably correct, but, he can survive some really stupid shit <.<

[stone fern]

im working and i think others are in games rn cole or ainz could help if theyre not busy

[ornate vessel]

Well.... the time has come to grind zealot panamces

[hearty nebula]

simply get the penances

[north sedge]

OR, attain nirvana by freeing yourself from the shackles of video game achievements

[plush estuary]

@red mesa yeah I messed up

should've looted for a nuke

I knew there was 2 rituals spawns there

remaking the group if you want to join

[ivory marlin]

The “about to be hit from behind” sound makes my ears perk up every time it plays

It feels weird

[solar gorge]

good

that is it's purpose

[ivory marlin]

Real

[spare talon]

its an auditory sleeper agent

[ivory marlin]

Hi cole

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/f-gif-13187333855191538260

[ivory marlin]

Rip

[red mesa]

bro you messed up? i died lmao, ill play ds cheeze to get a win then we can fuck around. sick clutch

i play almost entirely party finder randos so good to find a quality discord player hah

[plush estuary]

yes

idc if we win

I'm just here to play

dont gimp your build to get a win

[red mesa]

tbh i dont have 40 yet BC i refuse to play meta and only play with randos. If i play meta + your skilled ass i can finally get the 40 win and just stop caring and play what i want lol

[plush estuary]

Okay, fair enough if you havent got 40 yet

[red mesa]

TH is kind of meta, but its hard when not supported

[naive stirrup]

based hsword enjoyer

[placid fiber]

Aw man, I almost made it... so close... (You have to be here before 10 minutes pass in your run to get this)

[hearty nebula]

newb

[ivory marlin]

For some reason when i use to play id try to get to zone 3 asap

[placid fiber]

I know, I'm a complete scrub... washed... I should go back to commando, since that's who I main...

[ivory marlin]

Like id get 1 item and rush teleporter

[hearty nebula]

commando is dogass but he's my favorite

simply because when you get enough movement speed on him he learns to fly

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-dazed-unbearable-weight-massive-talent-pedro-pascal-gif-15280745598034380181

[modern lintel]

noob

[placid fiber]

Commando is as good as you are as a ror2 player. In the hands of someone who isn't good at ror2? Absolute ass. In the hands of someone who knows ror2? Extremely powerful. All you need is tactical slide and phase blast >:3

[misty nova]

Why get enough speed to fly when Artificer is right there

[hearty nebula]

bc her flight is slow asf

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-risk-of-rain2-ror2-artificer-gif-24205374

[hearty nebula]

commando's roll, you get some movement speed items and roll up any angled surface and just achieve orbital liftoff

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-artificer-ror2-risk-of-rain-gif-24215067

[hearty nebula]

the LTG equipment goes hard fr

[stone fern]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-about-it-fry-cry-about-it-cry-crying-gif-23004146

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-artificer-artificer-risk-of-rain-2-gif-2940492555482998923

[placid fiber]

Slide can clip through terrain, and if you get the cooldown low enough you can use the air boost infinitely for free flight... also the slide goes faster and lets you attack while doing it >.>

[misty nova]

I guess it's pretty obvious who's my ror2 main

That's right
Huntress

[hearty nebula]

roll duration & animation ends faster with movement speed items anyway so

[tame sluice]

gooner bait character

[misty nova]

You play huntress to goon
I play huntress to ignore aiming
We are not the same

[hearty nebula]

you play huntress
i don't
we are not the same

[misty nova]

Also funny 6 arrows

[placid fiber]

By the way... with minimum cooldown slide... you can get by with only like... 1 hoof or energy drink. The mobility you have with minimum cd slide is insane <.<

[hearty nebula]

vertical flight > horizontal flight

it breaks enemy ai p hard lol

they just can't do shit

it's like forcing them to equip a dunce hat

[placid fiber]

Except when the horizontal flight can achieve vertical flight in a way that you can both consistently know(how much you're going to get)... and also allows you to actively fight enemies while gaining it :3

say what you want about roll getting vertical mobility... but when you get enough movement speed you launch in an unpredictable way

control over your character is extremely useful

[red mesa]

sorry, i swear im usually better even in 40s idk, just kinda fed thanks for games tho!

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-frog-kiss-gif-8479381718670557517

[tawdry leaf]

H40 isnt too difficult with proper communication with your team

if that isnt there goodluck getting through it

[modern lintel]

how evil

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-eat-sudden-funny-stupid-gif-25483215

[red mesa]

i was just taking dmg i shouldn't have, idk what was up usually im better lol. tried to even clutch DS and chorus but since i dont play it often i still had issues

[placid fiber]

The reason I don't like ion surge is it launches you WAY too far away from enemies that I AM TRYING TO KILL. Is it extremely useful? Hell yes it is. I still prefer control over my character. I can choose my fate while in control... one of the reasons I dislike loader is the swinging mechanic... it disorients me and I lose control over my character sometimes. You're right that roll gives more vertical mobility. Slide interacts better with more skill charges and cooldown reduction tho. :3

[plush estuary]

was EU server too

grinch and psyker are eu

200ms gaming for me

[hearty nebula]

i aint talkin ion surge

[placid fiber]

The reason I prefer slide, though, is control + I can attack while using it. I can do defaultmando runs if I want to, I just prefer my phase blast tactical slide commando :3

[hearty nebula]

i'm talkin roll on commando

which has close-enough to hitscan that distance doesn't matter too much in regular runs unless you're running command or some shit

[red mesa]

OMG.
i aint even kidding i was sitting here cursing going "why can i dodge on reaction or block back hits?" and i kept cancelling my ult bc i would press it and it wouldnt go off

[placid fiber]

You might not be, but, it's more or less the same thing. A ton of vertical mobility suddenly. Different characters, same interaction

[red mesa]

i know it sounds like an excuse but it fucked me up bad lol

that makes sense

[hearty nebula]

unless you suck at aiming in which case womp womp

[tame sluice]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/336

[placid fiber]

But you were also saying commando is bad, which is only the case when you take a loadout on him that isn't great. The reason slide is such a good upgrade over roll is that you can attack during it, which lets you dive in and phase blast a problem enemy, dive out of the way of attacks, etc while maintaining the offensive.

He is one of the characters that specifically does how good your skill in ror2 is, for his performance. You can get screwed and get almost no proc items and still make it with him, you just need to know what to do

[red mesa]

impressive you can play that well with that ping on top, crazy. once i know it would be easier to work around like now that i know i wouldnt be cancelling those ults i dont think etc

[plush estuary]

used to it

its just different tming

timing

[red mesa]

ya

[hearty nebula]

[carmine falcon]

i wish it was just different timing
for me playing on NA makes the game malfunction

meanwhile i played space dudes yesterday at 400 ping

for some reason the game put me in NA

[placid fiber]

It's like saying Mercenary is bad, when you don't know how to use his skill rotations. :\

[hearty nebula]

true

also mercenary is the most braindead class in the game tf is that comparison even

[placid fiber]

If you don't know his rotations he will not perform worth a shit

Welcome... to the alternative to sky meadows. >:3

[red mesa]

I liked captain a lot, and the shotgun backstab guy in ror2 cant remember his name. The melee poison dude was dope too

[placid fiber]

Yes, this is an area... that has lava... >:3

[hearty nebula]

in earlier stages sure but that's not even his biggest appeal

his strongest point is that he is 90% i-frames

[placid fiber]

come to think of it... I need to find where the artifact portal maker is on this stage, I've never gone and found it <.<

[placid fiber]

Uh... hello? Slicing winds...?

The thing that bumps his damage up by like... up to 3x as much

[hearty nebula]

the moment you get uke/atg/wisp the combo stops being so important on him

basically any ranged/aoe option that has the capability to chain off other stuff

[placid fiber]

oh I finally found a crit printer lol

no wait it was the antler one fuck lol

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-14889603643716759174

ey ey people

dancing

[placid fiber]

at least it does something now...

[acoustic dune]

ey glowing antler

smth thats in real life

[placid fiber]

Wait holy fuck this stage's tunnels I've been going through are part of a dead magma worm! That's so cool

That's so cool!

[clear mortar]

vet cries about 3 ogryns

[winter oxide]

what did the zealot say?

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[clear mortar]

no zealots

1 vet + 3 ogryns

[winter oxide]

but zealot

[acoustic dune]

the oggy is the new zealot

[clear mortar]

true btw

ogryn just curb stomps everything in melee while having ridiculous survivability

[sullen forge]

I mean to be fair when Club/Knife CS exists and you literally don’t need to dodge or block at all and you never take damage

They kinda have a point LMAO

[clear mortar]

huh? club and knife?

isn't pickaxe just better?

[sullen forge]

Ogryn has an actual build with those two and Confident strike

Where all you do is M1

And you take no damage

It’s like baby proof build

[winter oxide]

so bully club is just perma lifesteal?

[sullen forge]

Basically

[winter oxide]

what can you not tank

[analog ember]

Tbf that’s a pretty aids team comp for vet

[sullen forge]

It’s why I refuse to call Ogryn balanced

[sullen forge]

Anything that nukes HP

Overheads or like snipers

So like 3 enemies

[winter oxide]

thats busted

[plush estuary]

dorn has video

[analog ember]

Putting aside how broken ogryn is as a class, you can just forget about using precision weapons because you won’t be able to see shit

[plush estuary]

1v7 plague ogryun

with CS knife

[sullen forge]

HE TOOK MINIMAL DAMAGE IIRC

[analog ember]

So yeah, I’m with the vet on this one

[sullen forge]

and he didn’t even fucking dodge or block

It really is a child proof build

[winter oxide]

i should create an ogryn

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[analog ember]

Psyker was the busted class so fatshart decided to fix that

By also making ogryn busted

[sullen forge]

And made Ogryn busted

LMAO

[winter oxide]

whos that

[analog ember]

If everyone is overpowered, nobody is

(Except for vet which they’ve ignored)

[clear mortar]

what did i miss
how club does a lifesteal

[sullen forge]

Reworks to Ogryns toughness talents

Confident strike pairing with them to give even more toughness on light swings

You gain insane amounts to a point you nearly toughness gate basically

Like I’m not lying when I say this

You probably could put a chimp on it and they’d manage to live

It’s just that ludicrously strong

[clear mortar]

the funny thing is i play melee on all classes and while not being anywhere near true daddies of this game, i can bet my ass that i will be better in melee as a psyker with unoptimised build than this whining vet

[misty nova]

Confident Strike blessing

With talents for tg

[sullen forge]

Veteran is good in melee they’re just limited on melee choice

[hard nexus]

due to talent buffs and confident strike, you can light spam a daemonhost to death without dodging or blocking, and take barely any damage

[sullen forge]

And you REALLY feel the lack of stamina

[clear mortar]

uh, wait, i do the same with a pickaxe

[hard nexus]

ogryn is just soooooii

sooooo

weak

[clear mortar]

ogryn mauls DH with any weapon

[sullen forge]

Very weak I promise!

[analog ember]

Well melee psyker is also busted rn lol

Absolutely disgusting

[clear mortar]

the context is that i "feel" psyker class very poorly

[misty nova]

15% tdr when above 75% stamina with the other talent that gives stamina for melee and just brrrr

[clear mortar]

so it's basically a handicap for me

[analog ember]

Ah yes let’s give psyker the ability to maintain 90 percent uptime in scriers gaze. Surely that won’t upset the balance of the game.

Fucking clown show

[clear mortar]

you won't believe it

literally how i named him

everything else is edgy stuff

i want to pee and a cat sat on my knee

[wary finch]

Normal guy with a gun
compared to:

Temu sisters/misters of battle who can pull almost similar levels of near death fuckery

Walking warp portals

And the imperium's answer to astartes...

Mmm yes I can see why its hard to buff vet

[sullen forge]

Psyker only feels weak when you aren’t actively keeping your toughness topped or abusing Empathic against ranged units

Reminder a talent that turns off 50% of enemies

[visual stream]

Crit recon + mettle my beloved

[misty nova]

I mean
That normal guy with a gun is a battle hardened trained/elite soldier

[visual stream]

🤤

[clear mortar]

true, they 1000% were making his talents with pyro mage issues from their previous game in mind

[visual stream]

Are you advocating for vet buffs

[clear mortar]

vet is honestly at the same level of power

[wary finch]

Advocating for Vet and, indirectly, Zealot buffs tbh

[clear mortar]

he just shines more at higher difficulties

[visual stream]

I think vet is in a good place

[clear mortar]

when dozens of specials start generating infinite ults and grenades for him

[visual stream]

Zealot's power can probably stay in a similar place or slightly higher, it just needs a better tree

[clear mortar]

all 3 classes are good

[winter oxide]

how bad is shroudfield in havoc?

[analog ember]

Truly a top 4 class

[misty nova]

It depends on your skills

[analog ember]

Nah

[clear mortar]

if you can solo whole game - best ulty for you
if not - the worst one

[clear mortar]

yah

[visual stream]

All four classes have great power in their own respective ways but vet is arguably on the high side of the four

[misty nova]

It's pretty alright considering the amount of bosses that need to be dispatched asap

[analog ember]

Lmfaoo. Absolutely not.

[visual stream]

Just because thematically it's just a guy with a gun doesn't mean that's all it is gameplay-wise

Show me your build

I'm not a vet expert but that could be why

[clear mortar]

If we take auric mael as a prime measurement, vet is absolutely fine

[winter oxide]

with shroudfield + combat knife?

[clear mortar]

havoc is too specific and is made for sweaty tryhards anyway

[analog ember]

It’s not my build. I can guarantee you.

[misty nova]

Or hammer
Or dueling sword

[analog ember]

Gale knows how much I’ve played vet.

[sullen forge]

Personally I think Vet needs help with abilities that aren’t VOC, point tax so a tree reshuffle and like 80% of left side tree cause it’s dog shit

[clear mortar]

ight, i will be the one to be judged, 1 sec

[analog ember]

MMF too op

[winter oxide]

im not convinced by combat knife shroudfield in havoc

[clear mortar]

yes, i am kinky and i refuse to elaborate

it works in auric mael anyway

[analog ember]

Not offensive besides GBITF over CAB

[visual stream]

I think infil and exe are pretty good, you just have to be more careful with them because they're not turn-the-game-off easy vs. VoC

[misty nova]

Shroudfield has CRIT modifiers into it so a weapon like knife goes hard

[analog ember]

Infil is a meme, but it’s fun

[visual stream]

I think infil DEFINITELY needs some of its upgrades baked in

[analog ember]

ES is decent, but wouldn’t use in havoc

[sullen forge]

Infil needs to be reworked into something that can actively help your team aside of objective jockeying

[tame sluice]

I quite like ES in havoc

going around boltering shit and being a one man elite, specialist, and boss killing army

[sullen forge]

And EStance could use Toughness Reduction or Gain on ADS

That’s literally it

[tame sluice]

ES really needs to give you some durability

[sullen forge]

MMF is abysmal dog shit

[tame sluice]

gun vet is so fragile

[visual stream]

Bistol enjoyer?

[tame sluice]

MMF is pretty solid it just needs to not be such a pain in the ass to keep stacks on

[visual stream]

I love grenade spam vet

[clear mortar]

i don't use range weapons at all
only melee and spamming grenades

[sullen forge]

Disrupt Destiny is just MMF but 1000x better

[tame sluice]

75% finesse is comically high damage boosts to vet's many finesse ranged weapons

[sullen forge]

That’s why I genuinely want it to be reworked

[visual stream]

I kinda like it but I would be open to potentially reworking it into something more fun

[sullen forge]

In a perfect world I’d love for them to make the left side tree more focused on rewarding weakspot hits and consistency with hitting them

[sullen forge]

Make it stay at 10 stacks permanently you miss a Weakspot it drops

[tame sluice]

yeah give left tree huntsmans ammo regen from VT2

[wary finch]

Reminds me of this

[sullen forge]

You hit you gain 1

[tame sluice]

headshot kill gives you the bullet back

ezpz

[sullen forge]

You kill you get more

[clear mortar]

isn't his aura literally the same

[tame sluice]

no

huntsman aura is 5% crit chance

[acoustic dune]

i mean demolition is indded a skill

[clear mortar]

there is one

[wary finch]

I still gotta do the penance for mmf 💀

[tame sluice]

please fatshark veteran needs this

[analog ember]

Makes sense with bolter

[sullen forge]

I hate to say it

[clear mortar]

you literally asked for ammo regen, not crits

[sullen forge]

It does borderline nothing in actual gameplay

[tame sluice]

yeah

the ammo regen on ranged classes in VT2 isn't an aura

except for Ranger Veteran bardin

[sullen forge]

I actively use MMF and I can say 5-10% of the match I’ll have 10 stacks

[tame sluice]

anybody can pick up his ammo

[clear mortar]

damn ,i forgor

[sullen forge]

Most I have will be 3-6 cause of constantly moving

[tame sluice]

I am almost always at 10 stacks after the first headshot

camouflage is a very good upgrade since it makes sliding give you a stack

[clear mortar]

sad to know, i only used it for achievement, so i thought it does something

[sullen forge]

It doesn’t

Sliding counts as moving and strips stacks

[tame sluice]

https://imgur.com/a/bYcf9C1