And it takes like five hits to kill a groaner
#zealot-class
mild hull
real sonnet
And it takes like five hits to kill a groaner
are you running sustained assault?
mild hull
I'm only playing it so I can backstab million people for penance
BUT IT DOESNT EVEN ONESHOT IN THE BACK
violet hornet
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/187
and
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/126
carmine falcon
knife is one of the strongest weapons 
just use THE BUILD TM with uncanny strike and whatever you like for second slot
real sonnet
flesh tearer my beloved
winter oxide
bleed is bait on knife?
carmine falcon
its broken
zinc talon
I knew I was dead the instant I saw that shadow gaining on me
real sonnet
nerfing uncanny strikes would be almost enough to solve the duelling sword issue
carmine falcon
check first pin
real sonnet
so imagine how broken it is
zinc talon
but cmon maaaaaaaaaaaaaan
frosty herald
And it takes like five hits to kill a groaner
Thats very impressive
winter oxide
bloodletter chainaxe lets gooo
carmine falcon
precog and riposte are very good
plush estuary
@mild hull
frosty herald
bloodletter chainaxe lets gooo
Do bloodthirsty
frosty herald
Bloodletter does little on chainaxe since it kills stuff outright on a rev heavy
real sonnet
Wtf is finesse damage
it's the multiplier for weakspots / crit attacks
zinc talon
or, don't do any of this and be able to look at yourself in the mirror with pride
mild hull
And my ability cooldown is reduced with each crit
zinc talon
that you had too much self respect to use the basic b ford f150 of darktide weapons
you'll go to your grave with a smile
mild hull
that you had too much self respect to use the basic b ford f150 of darktide weap...
I don't talk cars
zinc talon
that's why I included basic b
mild hull
where did you include ur mom đ
plush estuary
And my ability cooldown is reduced with each crit
not each crit
its on crit every 5 sec (?)
frosty herald
Knife has a 25% inate crit chance
plush estuary
only need to crit every 5 sec
mild hull
Oh you're a math guy
Anyhow how do I deal with this weird slide on knife heavy attacks
I try to come out of invis behind bunch of gunners and backstab them only to slide away and miss attacks until shroudfield wears off
And fall down crying in shame
pale spindle
I try to come out of invis behind bunch of gunners and backstab them only to sli...
backstabbing
That's your first problem
Stealth is a support tool
zinc talon
a vast majority of the time you're not going to be able to get around behind an enemy/group for the big numberts
it's best to just roll with it and feel good about when you do get the drop
pale spindle
The knife is all headshotting , nothing fancy
zinc talon
not something to strive for, you'll just frustrate yourself
and yes^ stealth's great for clutches and rescues etc
pale spindle
U only for for backstabs on Beast or to proc the CDR node
zinc talon
notsomuch silly damage like kerillian in vt2
pale spindle
I know this might sound harsh, but roleplaying as an "assassin" is pretty troll in Darktide
Because all you are doing is dumping the agro onto the rest of your team and running away from the objective
frosty herald
Dude needs to backstab for the penance
pale spindle
Dude needs to backstab for the penance
Play crusher, easy đ
Throw them onto the ground so they have no choice
median steeple
This like of thinking is over
pale spindle
This like of thinking is over
Nu uh
long cosmos
I know this might sound harsh, but roleplaying as an "assassin" is pretty troll ...
I mean I run infiltrate specifically for objectives
get the 8 second interrogator reset 
pale spindle
I mean I run infiltrate specifically *for* objectives
Yeah that's the correct way to use stealth
Objectively Correct đ
Stealth is good for speed running because it speed runs your teammates stupidity đ
frosty herald
sullen forge
signal spoke
this actually goes hard
zinc talon
Play crusher, easy đ
there's always stun grenades too
you can pop one of those with a cleave weapon and get 5 independent backstabs on good swings
eviscerator fits the bill, crusher does too
zinc talon
meaning, their immediate left to their immediate right, behind them
and it's the swing, not your positioning
so you can be beside them but if the swing comes in with them facing away, it counts
hard nexus
and it's the swing, not your positioning
wrong
zinc talon
new eviscerator and stun grenades would make this a cinch in mortis trials
with all the spare grenades that go unused and also the grenade regen indulgence
hard nexus
the backstab only matters depending on where you are standing
zinc talon
oh I got it backwards then
hard nexus
where the weapon impacts is not relevant
zinc talon
does seem odd though, if you're on their left side and you're swinging to the right you'll be hitting em in the face yknow
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
long cosmos
does seem odd though, if you're on their left side and you're swinging to the ri...
tf2 "backstabs"
hard nexus
does seem odd though, if you're on their left side and you're swinging to the ri...
apparently for melee itâs not 180 degrees but
itâs plenty generous
and iâm too lazy to change my screenshot
doing it with rashad is the best way to do it though
evis doesnât have the damage distribution
frosty herald
Backstab has a very small cone to trigger
frosty herald
To me it feels quite small
hard nexus
To me it feels quite small
penis joke here
frosty herald
carmine falcon
zinc talon
doing it with rashad is the best way to do it though
I have never used one, so as the resident expert here it's still crusher/evis/relic
axe suxe
hard nexus
I have never used one, so as the resident expert here it's still crusher/evis/re...
fym resident expert
evis has terrible damage distribution
zinc talon
it was a joke
median steeple
Nerd emoji
hard nexus
Nerd emoji
you stink
hard nexus
it was a joke
i figured lmfao
hard nexus
evis has terrible damage distribution
youâd be lucky to get 2
hard nexus
Glass houses girlie
whatever stone man
zinc talon
oh are we looking for backstab KILLS here
I was under the impression it's just hits to the back
median steeple
whatever stone man
Rock trolls from frozen
hard nexus
I have never used one, so as the resident expert here it's still crusher/evis/re...
relic would work but i think rashad would be the best pick overall
because brutal momentum
zinc talon
that's what I meant by 5 a swing with a cleave weapon, wuupsie
hard nexus
hsword 7 works too
obsidian prairie
Ironhelm
median steeple
Seal
zinc talon
shame they can't get credit with the bully clubs
median steeple
Fish
hard nexus
yeah close enough
zinc talon
get 100% of the kills with skibbitypaps alone
median steeple
Soy
frosty herald
median steeple
https://tenor.com/view/chud-buddha-chuddha-chud-nothing-ever-happens-gif-5905117...
this is how I am with pings from #đ˘news-bulletin
@sullen forge be you mer or man
sullen forge
<@820414945543716944> be you mer or man
plush estuary
frosty herald
<@820414945543716944> be you mer or man
Dunmer
median steeple
bert......
jagged cradle
What even is Albert
hard nexus
What even is Albert
cat i think
jagged cradle
cat i think
You arenât helpful at all
median steeple
dinosaur
misty nova
SAP mastery acquired
Time to dump it and never use again
frosty herald
Gurt: yo
long cosmos
SAP mastery acquired
Time to dump it and never use again
Saying that when brauto exists
hard nexus
You arenât helpful at all
itâs a baby vulture
jagged cradle
itâs a baby vulture
I donât believe you
hexed igloo
https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-2-faraam-knight-dark-souls-2-faraam-knight-far...
high fantasy game
human
knight
longsword
Gaming
long cosmos
Like The Combat shotguns
calling combat shotgun mid is generous of you
empty python
calling combat shotgun mid is generous of you <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
man I friggin LOVE slug shotguns on zealot in H40
misty nova
calling combat shotgun mid is generous of you <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
They aren't bad 
empty python
shit can knock down reapers and crushers and bulwarks and etc like no other
plus slug shotgun actually got pretty nice breakpoints in H40
can 2-shot headshot Reapers even, and 1 shot gunners from pretty respectable range
long cosmos
slap a scope on it and i'm sold
great value scab sniper
empty python
cant deny it requires a good amount of effort to play, but i love it
mild hull
How come maniacs and elites are suggested for stub revolver
long cosmos
cant deny it requires a good amount of effort to play, but i love it
You see I use shotguns to avoid needing to aim
Combat shotty requires you to aim
grizzled aspen
How come maniacs and elites are suggested for stub revolver
Because with + elites it hits 1shot breakpoints on both gunner types, meaning the only things you struggle to oneshot are dreg ragers.
hexed igloo
They aren't bad <:nottroll:810218693913083934>
I don't like them so they suck
long cosmos
I don't like them so they suck
literally me fr 
misty nova
I don't like them so they suck
Your feelings for them
Aren't real
hexed igloo
THEYRE REAL TO ME
vagrant sand
what are peopple running for blessings on relic blade
acoustic dune
what are peopple running for blessings on relic blade
bleed
acoustic dune
what is cranial again?
misty nova
Cranial + Heatsink
vagrant sand
weakspot damage and reduced heat buildup
acoustic dune
ah
vagrant sand
is martyrdom stronger than blazing piety?
carmine falcon
blazing piety is way less risky
while still dealing all the dmg u would ever want
misty nova
is martyrdom stronger than blazing piety?
I will not know how to respond to you since Finesse scaling is complicated and shit
But martyrdom is one of the strongest bonuses out there
vagrant sand
what if using relic blade
heady rapids
numerically it is the strongest
cause its atk speed and damage
it just has a shitty design and doesnt really work in darktide
misty nova
what if using relic blade
Relic Blade usually goes Inexorable Judgement or Martyrdom
But it works with Piety, Stalwart side I think
carmine falcon
its perfect with stalwart
misty ravine
One point against Martyrdom is that it also requires more talent points than Piety. If you want Invocation of Death (you do), taking IOD+Martyrdom at the end of The Build leaves one talent point, which isn't enough to reach Thy Wrath Be Swift or Purge The Unclean. Whereas if you're going Piety you go through IOD anyways and spend only 2-3 points on Piety and its addons
Unless you give up Enduring Faith or Redoubled Zeal, which you don't typically want to do either
hard nexus
One point against Martyrdom is that it also requires more talent points than Pie...
i usually drop second chastise for twbs
on that build
hard nexus
just manage f better
manage deez
carmine falcon
vagrant sand
is it really that bad taking immolation grenade if you use somethjing like a boltgun or autopistol for horde clear
going into range kill restores toughness
I like the idea of immo grenades for tons of hounds tho the flamer does the same thing
pale spindle
I like the idea of immo grenades for tons of hounds tho the flamer does the same...
The problem with Zealot nades is the same problem as Ogryn nades đ
They don't replenish
Well rocks do
vagrant sand
that extra 45% TDR from martyrdom felt nice though
long cosmos
The problem with Zealot nades is the same problem as Ogryn nades đ
knives do, and can use ammo pickups which are more common
vagrant sand
even if you have less toughness cause of wounds curios
pale spindle
knives do, and can use ammo pickups which are more common
Yeah that's the point, knives are just too consistent
long cosmos
Yeah that's the point, knives are just too consistent
Damn that means my favorite zealot nade is getting nerfed isn't it
acoustic dune
fellow zealot
pale spindle
Even if knives didn't have the best pathing. In isolation I think they are still the best on Zealot
pale spindle
throwable melee weapon
We already have knives
acoustic dune
like a metal poll or smth
pale spindle
grizzled aspen
Cranial + Heatsink
Heatsink bad.
It has significantly reduced effectiveness when your sword is turned on.
It exists only to help you get your sword off cooldown, which the cooldown isnt very long to begin with.
misty nova
Heatsink bad.
long cosmos
https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-ratatouille-dark-brotherhood-we-know-%D0%BE%D0%B...
Me waiting for Astris to stop yapping so I can post the 3 victims on liveleak
vagrant sand
relic blade is actually bad for bosses because they keep disabling my charge
acoustic dune
relic blade is actually bad for bosses because they keep disabling my charge
just recharge?
hushed knoll
just recharge?
acoustic dune
median steeple
Fatass
misty ravine
It exists only to help you get your sword off cooldown, which the cooldown isnt ...
QFT, Cranial mogs all other heat management blessings and provides a Finesse bonus on top of it.
If you're letting your relic blade overheat, Overload gets you out of the lockout state faster than anything else, and after its buff it actually does a pretty good AOE stagger.
hexed igloo
You hear that skinnyfish add a bow and arrow
hexed igloo
https://tenor.com/view/swaith-arrow-ouch-gif-14001004
Let me to this to a rager
acoustic dune
You hear that skinnyfish add a bow and arrow
i hope they go the drg routte
hexed igloo
Of being a good game? Me too
acoustic dune
and make the bow n arrow have effects
acoustic dune
Tbh tho not a fan of the boltshank
why so?
hexed igloo
My scout rig is the ar15 and boomstick lmao
acoustic dune
sorry but i am a digger main
acoustic dune
long cosmos
https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-driller-satchel-charge-charge-throw-gi...
scout pov
acoustic dune
I have drg only on Microsoft store huh
what do you mean?
hexed igloo
I use digger once in a while, but usually gunner/acout
acoustic dune
I use digger once in a while, but usually gunner/acout
i love that at the end of the level
too just dig
to the drop ship
subtle sentinel
what do you mean?
Can't play it with people who have it on steam
Which is the majority
hexed igloo
Shrimply a krill issue
acoustic dune
Can't play it with people who have it on steam
i was asking of what do you mean
hexed igloo
Why would you use Microsoft store tho to begin with lmao
acoustic dune
that you have drg on microsoft
hexed igloo
But why
subtle sentinel
Cuz it was dirt cheap
Microsoft store still has the regional pricing on some games steam reduced
So a lot of stuff are cheaper there for me
hexed igloo
It's morally wrong to buy anything from the Microsoft store
acoustic dune
subtle sentinel
Gamepass is like 8$, and outfit dlc packs for drg were less than a dollar each
hexed igloo
What is up my diggas
subtle sentinel
Even in darktide 2900 currency is 3$
acoustic dune
What is up my diggas
ey ey seth here
subtle sentinel
It's morally wrong to buy anything from the Microsoft store
Idc cheap is cheap
Lol
hexed igloo
Mb mb that's your word
acoustic dune
Idc cheap is cheap
just use epic game then i guess?
subtle sentinel
Dont think DRG is there
So weird that it seperates people on steam with people on Xbox
But Xbox people also includes pc people who got it on Microsoft store
hexed igloo
Idc cheap is cheap
The game is dirt cheap to begin with tho
subtle sentinel
Hope they add crossplay sometime all my friends have it on steam, when they play it at all, which is rare
hexed igloo
It's on sale rn for like 10usd
subtle sentinel
That's more than 2
hexed igloo
If you a broke boy you just gotta say that smh
subtle sentinel
I am not planning to buy anything besides gamepass for a while anyway already have too much to play too little time
subtle sentinel
If you a broke boy you just gotta say that smh
I don't really gotta say anything
hexed igloo
No shame in being poor
subtle sentinel
There is to me
acoustic dune
There is to me
thats a wack mentality
subtle sentinel
Well there is to me, but only when it is me
Wouldnt judge someone for being poor except myself
subtle sentinel
Not even discount that's just how much it is there
I don't even need a discount
Nearly everything on the PC Xbox store is dirt cheap
And I am grateful for it lets me enjoy games
subtle sentinel
Xbox PC is no different than just playing on steam
Most games have crossplay between
hexed igloo
Wouldnt judge someone for being poor except myself
I judge everyone except me for being poor
placid fiber
I judge everyone except me for being poor
subtle sentinel
Not the possum
subtle sentinel
hexed igloo
I don't swing that way my guy goodluck tho
placid fiber
Kinda sus man idk
hexed igloo
serene blaze
random question, would you guys consider mk2 relic blade to be better than mk10? currently kind of wondering which i should use
hard nexus
random question, would you guys consider mk2 relic blade to be better than mk10?...
both are really good
grizzled aspen
Mk2 is better for duelling bosses and whatnot, mk10 is better for general purpose.
hard nexus
i prefer mk2 relic
ornate bone
Personally like MKII
grizzled aspen
Mk10 definitely takes the cake for mixed horde clear because you can use the l3 to pick out an elite head and instakill them.
hard nexus
i donât understand why people say that mk2 relic is the only âcomplexâ weapon though
itâs a really simple weapon to use
maybe differing opinions on what constitutes as complex?
ornate bone
Thatâs true. That said, I like MKII cause it can really handle crushers and the like, mauler patrols pretty wel
grizzled aspen
I like mk2 more because ooga booga uppercut do big funny number.
serene blaze
i was probably going to use mk2 cause honestly having a bit slower horde clear on mk2 really isnt that bad, but it feels like i dont do that high of single target damage on mk10 and it bugs me
ornate bone
Takes a few hits but they go down, and if you charge poke with the MKii, anythjg it hits is gonna die for sure
Try the block attack with MKII on a horde. Aim for the head line.Trust me
serene blaze
ill keep that in mind
ornate bone
I usually will throw two light slashes with a block swing and it decimates hordes. Just gotta move a bit more and watch your distance
serene blaze
yeah my main weakness is i forget to block attack like 90% of the time unless im tryna shove a dog or smth
misty nova
random question, would you guys consider mk2 relic blade to be better than mk10?...
Both are good
Anyways Mk10 is ingrained into my muscles
Therefore 10 > 2
serene blaze
it is pretty fun to just human lawnmower heretics sometimes
ornate bone
I need to get more into MK10. I like it but I need to learn itâs move set more
ornate bone
it is pretty fun to just human lawnmower heretics sometimes
Heavy eviscerator? Nice choice if so
serene blaze
i meant more with mk10, in hordes its definitely satisfying
ornate bone
Iâll have to try it out!
serene blaze
i just think that technically speaking mk2 isnt crippled when it comes to horde clearing and does much better vs bosses
just wanted to get others opinions on it
misty nova
Well the rule of thumb is that Uppercut type attacks deal lots of damage
violet hill
what's the max targets on relic blade?
misty nova
Big cleave
I don't have the exact cleave value of Relic Blade
But I'm waging 11.7
violet hill
i just want to make sure it's not limited to 3 enemies like the heavy evis was
misty nova
Oh no
As far as we know only Eviscerators, Chainaxes and Tactical axes have cddc
Evis at 4
Chaxes at 4
Tacs at 3
obsidian prairie
Tac axe canât even hit a cleave cap what
misty nova
Yeah that's the weird part
violet hill
so in theory if i took the +cleave on hit perk it wouldn't be a waste, even if not optimal
misty nova
1.5 to 3 cleave ain't hitting a 4th target
obsidian prairie
I canât think of a scenario where you could hit a cleave cap on tac axe
misty nova
(the humble brutal momentum)
obsidian prairie
Cause zealot doesnât have power in their tree
misty nova
so in theory if i took the +cleave on hit perk it wouldn't be a waste, even if n...
Well while we don't hold Wrath on high regards
It's a choice on Havoc
Plus RB has high minimum damage afaik
obsidian prairie
Yeah wrath is only needed for super dense mixed horde or Havoc hitmass scaling
wary finch
Love the relic blade even more now
Got me the storm survivor title finally with it
misty nova
That's how mafia bias works
wary finch
delicate shadow
maybe differing opinions on what constitutes as complex?
people call crusher complex
it's really just the bar for complex in DT is hilariously low
north sedge
ds is most complex
surreal spruce
doing the no shots pennance, does that include grenades, and does hotjoining disable it?
delicate shadow
I don't believe grenades are included, no idea about hotjoining
been forever since I've done it and penances have changed a ton since then lol
spare talon
anything that has more options than spamming 2 attacks is complex
taxe 7 is complex
push > push attack > heavy
thats 3
delicate shadow
indeed
spare talon
(in reality its one of the easiest weapons to use in the game)
delicate shadow
yea ik but seriously though people would count that if you get to the crux of what people consider complex
the alternative is people calling stuff like evis complex to pull off when really what they mean is it's underbuffed
sterile basalt
Tac axe canât even hit a cleave cap what
it has CDDC of 3 for heavy and push attacks
obsidian prairie
Horrific
sterile basalt
Falling to 0 damage after 3rd target
obsidian prairie
It can't even hit that without buffs
misty nova
spare talon
It can't even hit that without buffs
theres also stagger hitmass reductions tho
spare talon
very minor for taxe but enemies could be staggered by teammates
sterile basalt
I choose to ignore them
It doesnât matter too much unless itâs medium or heavy stagger
Light stagger is x90% mass
Basically not relevant
Medium stagger is x75% and starts to matter
spare talon
headtaker is right there tho which does let you reach that third target against optimal enemies
sterile basalt
Heavy is x50% so effectively x2 cleave
spare talon
but a fourth requires those staggers
or a cleave buff, or decimator
remember that warp splitter exists on psyker lmao
sullen forge
or a cleave buff, or decimator
GAMBLING BABY
sterile basalt
@sullen forge vc?
sullen forge
Not atm
sterile basalt
Ok
sterile basalt
Does he know
My bad
spare talon
A whopping 3 to 6 cleave
LETS GO YOU CAN NOW INNATELY DEAL 0 DAMAGE TO A POXWALKER
misty nova
Pretty sure the minimum damage is also pretty low
misty nova
Despite that one
I think it's 33 on lights
And 66 on heavies
Couldn't be my goat Evis15
88
hard nexus
anything that has more options than spamming 2 attacks is complex
like would people consider mk3 evis complex?
obsidian prairie
Yes
obsidian prairie
Its not DS
obsidian prairie
You have a combo
hard nexus
You have a combo
i did write out a full like
2 paragraphs
on mk3 evis combos
hrmâŚ
maybe
but i donât think mk2 is complex
itâs really just heavy light repeat
obsidian prairie
Wdym mk2
hard nexus
for horde clear
obsidian prairie
meta is obviously mk4
obsidian prairie
Oh I thought you meant DS
hard nexus
mk4 relic blade
copper hawk
people call crusher complex
Complex is a misnomer i think
hard nexus
itâs all thrusts
copper hawk
I think people generally mean to say difficult to use
Crusher does have a unique attack pattern, which can be considered "complex", like the HGH - but so do a lot of Ogryn weapons, with a lot of unique combos from special attacks accessible only through special attacks initiating them, but they're some of the most mindless
I'd honestly say that the evis is probably complex and difficult to use
Although complex in that it's unintuitive
And specifically with the 3
Flipped damage models on attacks and weird mechanics like target latching
Working around all of its quirks to get it to function due to it being underbuffed (aka dogshit) like you said does lend itself to complexity
delicate shadow
like would people consider mk3 evis complex?
legitimately yes people used to say that
copper hawk
Same sort of complexity for effective play you get in, say, fighting games, where dogshit lowtier characters being played at a high level require you to really diversify how you play
To mitigate the massive weaknesses in order to be competitive with busted chars or even just the average ones
I think people say complex and mean a lot of things
Complexity in a moveset is almost non existent in a game with three attacks, sometimes only two
So you have to really lower that bar
delicate shadow
it's also all relative, like the bar for complex is going to be low when the comparison point is shit like DS4 or plasma gun
long cosmos
Complexity in a moveset is almost non existent in a game with three attacks, som...
I mean, doesn't chivalry only have 3 attacks technically (unless you account for kicks)
?
copper hawk
The HGH in vt2 has two DIFFERENT combos for two different kinds of enemies !! Man I wish we had a weapon like that in dt !!
Massive diversity..
copper hawk
I mean, doesn't chivalry only have 3 attacks technically (unless you account for...
But also has parries, chambers, ripostes
Jabs, kicks
It has way more than 2 attacks
Oh, and morphs, and feints
delicate shadow
a pvp game is also going to be inherently more complex anyway, since you're dealing with people instead of AI that only work in set ways
copper hawk
Which makes it basically complex, like at the most fundamental level, while also maintaining simplicity in the system
modern lintel
Oh, and morphs, and feints
u forgot feinting the morph noob smh
copper hawk
So it's easy to learn and hard to master - but the complexity in a game like that is how you use the strengths and weaknesses in a weapon to make it effective, and in that game it's how you defeat an opponent with those tools
In darktide your opponent is the unwashed smash convention horde that is the nurglite freaks assailing u
Which is where i think a more productive discussion of complexity can be had
modern lintel
Which makes it basically complex, like at the most fundamental level, while also...
also to note both footwork and drag/accel timing which adds a whole other layer of complexity
delicate shadow
like tide games are "simple" in terms of what you're doing overall but it's also not easy, especially given it plays unlike pretty much anything else out there and takes some pretty significant time investment to master
tide games are also overcomplicated af once you go under the hood but that's kinda nerd shit that won't apply for 99% of players
copper hawk
How u have to change your gameplay to maintain maximum combat effectiveness
With a dogshit weapon
Judging a weapon on its own in terms of complexity is kinda reductive i think because you're never using a weapon all on its own
U always have a build to compliment it
long cosmos
like tide games are "simple" in terms of what you're doing overall but it's also...
I mean, I'd say it plays pretty similarly to left 4 dead
surreal spruce
its l4d+payday
copper hawk
So that should also be considered in the conversation
long cosmos
its l4d+payday
Payday but melee is actually fleshed out
that game broke my E key
north sedge
Stan is complex
surreal spruce
it feels exactly like L4D
copper hawk
Like saying l4d and l4d2 play similarly to nmrih
long cosmos
It doesnt play like l4d or l4d2 any more than theyre both horde games
That just feels like hard cope, I'm still calling specialists after what special infected they're similar to
delicate shadow
I mean, I'd say it plays pretty similarly to left 4 dead
if you ignore the massive differences in gameplay and mechanics, sure
surreal spruce
2 weapons, deployable consumable, single consumable, hordes of zombies, specials, working on a linear path to perform objectives
spare talon
I mean, I'd say it plays pretty similarly to left 4 dead
like how tf2 is similar to marval rivals because you select a hero to play in the shooter (this is sarcasm)
tide games are similar because they are horde games, but mechanically function much much much much differently past that to the point that we literally call them "tide games" because there isnt any other game like them
copper hawk
Mordhau horde mode is like l4d2 - 2 weapons, single use consumables, hordes of enemies, working linearly to the end of the map
surreal spruce
if you ignore the massive differences in gameplay and mechanics, sure
please tell me how the gameplay loop of L4D is different than darktide
copper hawk
It serves nobody to be this reductive
modern lintel
Mordhau horde mode is like l4d2 - 2 weapons, single use consumables, hordes of e...
4
copper hawk
please tell me how the gameplay loop of L4D is different than darktide
Well the different enemy varities for starters
How enemies engage you is a huge one
Especially in a horde AI game
long cosmos
It serves nobody to be this reductive
I think the opposite, reductivity brings a wider range of people into something
copper hawk
They are similar, but not the same
obsidian prairie
You don't get shot at very much in left 4 dead
carmine falcon
if this game is like l4d then im the president of the united states
CHINA CHINA CHINA
clever swan
this game is definitely like l4d
copper hawk
Toughness and being hit not being an issue like it is in l4d+2's highest level of play
Oh, and the perk trees for characters is also massive
modern lintel
please tell me how the gameplay loop of L4D is different than darktide
off the top of my head their no builds perks blessing etc in l4d which is massively different
copper hawk
And melee weapons dont instantly kill which I think is the biggest
surreal spruce
which is why i said this is like payday + L4D
copper hawk
L4d2 and l4d are both horde games, but one is a shooter
clever swan
darktide is like an rpg l4d with better gameplay in all ways and more complex too
plush estuary
carmine falcon
darktide is like.......vermentide
copper hawk
Which means it's designed around mowing down hordes of enemies back to back
carmine falcon
surreal spruce
idk why i am bothering arguing in here... its the zealot room
long cosmos
Vermintide has even more similarities to left 4 dead
surreal spruce
its like talking to a brick wall
long cosmos
no toughness, just hp, mostly melee enemies
copper hawk
And because we disagreed with you you're the only one who got upset
We try to elaborate and you lose your temper
spare talon
its the differences in darktide that make it its own experience thats unlike any other game
modern lintel
another case of i make claim,claim gets refuted "damn i hate zealot chat"
carmine falcon
darktide is one of a kind to the point where i put up with the worst servers known to mankind to play the game
obsidian prairie
I dont think the problem is zeal chat, I think it might be you
no no no its clearly our fault cause they're always right
copper hawk
I love this gif
clever swan
idk guys i think it's obvious l4d and darktide/tide games are related
obsidian prairie
Its really that shrimple
delicate shadow
please tell me how the gameplay loop of L4D is different than darktide
literally everything to do with the melee combat
copper hawk
idk guys i think it's obvious l4d and darktide/tide games are related
Yah that's what I said
And same w aquino
Theyre both horde games
clever swan
so why even argue
long cosmos
I mean if you look at it for what it is, at the very bones of what it is, it's still the same skeleton with different flesh
delicate shadow
like the standout thing about tide games is the melee combat that is unlike anything else in the industry really
copper hawk
But theyre different, and i thought it was self evident
carmine falcon
the similarites start and end with killing hordes
copper hawk
Theyre not identical and they dont play identically
delicate shadow
Arma 3 and CoD are both FPS games but they're not the same.
copper hawk
They have major differences
obsidian prairie
like the standout thing about tide games is the melee combat that is unlike anyt...
I think the closest i've seen is Dying Light
Dodges, Lights and heavies
copper hawk
That are significant to the gameplay of both
obsidian prairie
About where it ends but its weirdly close
spare talon
please tell me how the gameplay loop of L4D is different than darktide
hitmass
cleave
finesse
dodging
crits
skill trees
craftable weapons and builds
abilities
the toughness system
the coherency system
we could even add on things like havoc and mortis trials too and the things they offer
spare talon
cica will you ever talk like a human
copper hawk
Ancient ass source functions better than moldtide's
copper hawk
Gleep !
copper hawk
Lmfao
Im like super pessimistic w this game
But the game itself is fun
It's why I still play it over l4d2 as a relevant example
clever swan
the game having chronic desync issues is enough to radicalize saint
copper hawk
It's more complicated and there's nothing like it on the market right now
modern lintel
back 4 blood couldve been something but they fumbled immensely
carmine falcon
the game having chronic desync issues is enough to radicalize saint
dont you love packet loss
i love pocket loss
copper hawk
B4B was kinda doomed
carmine falcon
i fucking love pakcet loss
copper hawk
I never realized it
carmine falcon
i love it when im clutching and i lag for 10 seconds straight
long cosmos
i dont think bro will change his opinion
I won't really, you can point out all the depth in the world to it but no amount changes what it is, the games are distinct from each other in identity but remain connected by what they both are
clever swan
i fucking love pakcet loss
I love it so much I love when 20+% of my bullets are ignored
copper hawk
The source engine really carried a to of the fundamentals
carmine falcon
I love it so much I love when 20+% of my bullets are ignored
i have no idea what you just said but i agree king
vagrant sand
what do yall bless your heavy evis with
plush estuary
what do yall bless your heavy evis with
its in the pins
copper hawk
I won't really, you can point out all the depth in the world to it but no amount...
That's
spare talon
It's more complicated and there's nothing like it on the market right now
when someone asks me what i play its always a whole thing cuz i have to clarify that i play darktide cuz of its unique gameplay and mechanics and not cuz im a """warhammer fan"""
plush estuary
my zealot guide
copper hawk
Dude that's what we just said
modern lintel
back 4 blood wouldve been a better albeit still different comparison to tide game then l4d
copper hawk
U DID change ur opinion
vagrant sand
ty
copper hawk
I mean that's 2 ur credit
plush estuary
copper hawk
Not like me erm achktuallying u
carmine falcon
OOOOOOOOOOO I LOVE PACKET LOSSSS
copper hawk
They're both horde games, we all agree, but not the same kind of horde game
hard nexus
it's also all relative, like the bar for complex is going to be low when the com...
true
copper hawk
Inb4 that person (not u bat) goes into another chat to whine about zealot chat being the worst thing since bulwark punishment waves (an identical feature present in l4d2)
long cosmos
OOOOOOOOOOO I LOVE PACKET LOSSSS
Fakshart is so immersive though, the servers gone to doo doo to coincide with the communication breakdown event
We are literally fixing their servers as we do the event trust
carmine falcon
ACTUALLY REAL?
long cosmos
Next level storytelling
plush estuary
Inb4 that person (not u bat) goes into another chat to whine about zealot chat b...
Okay
I did it in psyker chat
carmine falcon
people want a tree rework, new class, better store ect
i want better servers
copper hawk
We are never playing TF2 again.
carmine falcon
its bad when sm2 servers (dogshit) are better
copper hawk
I'm declaring a fatwa against ur existence
carmine falcon
inshallah it shall not be played
copper hawk
Intifada by the femboys of all 2 NEVER play w u againz ainz
NO sm2
NO dt
NOOOO tf2
Astaghfirullah
spare talon
long cosmos
No titanfall 3 lmao
pure tree
We are never playing TF2 again.
vagrant sand
is the heavy eviscerator in the list of crit weapons because of the crit/bleed synergy?
long cosmos
New havoc modifier
Sniper TF2
Scab snipers will now headshot you 0.2 seconds after you enter their sightline
plush estuary
yes
pure tree
I went on a 16 killstreak yesterday morning as scout
I literally uninstalled today lol
vagrant sand
New havoc modifier
Sniper TF2
>Scab snipers will now headshot you 0.2 seconds af...
Ive gotten sniped so fast from snipers lately
like I dont even have a chance to dodge
long cosmos
Ive gotten sniped so fast from snipers lately
are you doing it in a "solo" mod?
pure tree
I remembered that I don't like TF2 so it went back to steam "uncategorized" hell room
vagrant sand
no, just auric maelstrom
long cosmos
huh
copper hawk
I literally uninstalled today lol
I'm free !
sterile basalt
@sullen forge rejoining
median steeple
Just saw the new marvel slop it's pretty good
median steeple
I love Mimi sentries
misty nova
is the heavy eviscerator in the list of crit weapons because of the crit/bleed s...
CRIT blessings
Looks inside
Poor finesse scaling
However
plush estuary
IoD
misty nova
The secret ingredient is Duelist
pure tree
copper hawk
sullen forge
@sterile basalt I would've if I didn't get with the classic Darktide "out of memory" crash
pure tree
sterile basalt
<@366562874039992331> I would've if I didn't get with the classic Darktide "out ...
lmao
did u see scoreboard beforehand tho
actually do u save scoreboard history or nah
sullen forge
I do have the history one moment
sterile basalt
ok
sullen forge
Nvm it fucking deleted it
sterile basalt
lmao
sullen forge
I think I have the power DI though
sterile basalt
sure
copper hawk
@carmine falcon did i show u this https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2/clips/kbZJJoqkHCXIhrjdE/spok?invite=cr-MSxDbFcsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
sterile basalt
I can't use scoreboard anymore cuz it crashes my game
either scoreboard or animation events
sterile basalt
me when I get sniped 3 separate times
sullen forge
And crusher overheaded
sterile basalt
I didn't get crusher overheaded I think
sullen forge
I lost a shit ton of health cause you were focused on the Captain instead of the hound mauling me to death
sterile basalt
I blew up a burster
copper hawk
And crusher overheaded
long cosmos
I lost a shit ton of health cause you were focused on the Captain instead of the...
Pitbull named Princess
sterile basalt
I lost a shit ton of health cause you were focused on the Captain instead of the...
I cannot tell who's who when 3 are down instantly
copper hawk
The Hound, Kindred, The Hound !
sterile basalt
and after my wifi restarted I was rubberbanding hard
copper hawk
Ziiiigh.. blame it on duh lag..
sterile basalt
move 3 steps, teleport back 1 step
sullen forge
First event was something else LMAO
sterile basalt
the 3000 shotgunners dropping down from 1 tunnel
long cosmos
Woe, 90 shotgunners upon ye
sterile basalt
the scab bomber that camped up top in medicae for actually 2 whole minutes
sullen forge
The moment I saw him I immediately blew his brains out
Oh yeah added the fact of random Sniper event everytime a bomber spawned
sterile basalt
the 3 sniper lasers instantly locking on to me as I try to snipe a bomber
if one of us was ogryn or zealot it'd have been so much easier
sullen forge
Could be summarized as
if anyone was Ogryn it would've been easier or just ahem
Ogryn by themselves
lmao
Tetanus + Truth Nuke will now be attempting Mortis Duo which should be piss easy
its Mortis Trials
sterile basalt
Tetanus + Truth Nuke will now be attempting Mortis Duo which should be piss easy
I renamed my character to fit WH40k lore
sullen forge
Im simply going to embrace the Zealot Stereotype
sterile basalt
Im simply going to embrace the Zealot Stereotype
I changed my zealot name to Pre-Servitor
vagrant sand
I seem to be doing the least damage in a maelstrom that is all scab hevy armored enemies and the heavy evis should be one of the best weapons for that....
hard nexus
let me guess, just use DS
wrong, evis is dogshit
plush estuary
and its half skill issue
hard nexus
and its half skill issue
ehhhh
plush estuary
maybe not half
median steeple
lean cairn
the shreddin revved chain weapon designed to go through armour sucks at armour
hard nexus
I seem to be doing the least damage in a maelstrom that is all scab hevy armored...
mk15 evis with bloodthirsty rampage, + carapace, with an IJ build, try it on civi (that maelstrom)
you can infinitely chain one shot crushers
note that mk15 needs to crit to stagger a crusher on a revved heavy though
(but thatâs why you have bloodthirsty)
long cosmos
you can infinitely chain one shot crushers
1 crusher per 5 second special rev đĽ
hard nexus
1 crusher per 5 second special rev đĽ
itâs the best anti armor evis build
unfortunately evis as a whole is just
frown
carmine falcon
<@460880975283486731> did i show u this https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-s...
lol me and ainz did the same thing
oh wait it was vynth
plush estuary
servers are so bad rn
I can't play
3 havoc in a row where 2 or more dc at a time
sullen forge
Hotfix for fixing the servers I fucking beg
plush estuary
@carmine falcon @copper hawk @jagged cradle if possible, I was going to try to make a SM2 12 man lobby tomorrow
for my birthday, would be funny
carmine falcon
its def related to astrates overhaul
its pretty much the only mod worth downloading lol
sullen forge
2nd crash
plush estuary
sullen forge
being reminded why I stopped playing Mortis Trials LMAO
carmine falcon
sir a second crash has hit the servers
vagrant sand
is crusher worth using over t hammer at all?
carmine falcon
yes
plush estuary
every weapon is worth using
misty ravine
sir a second crash has hit the servers
Fatshark administration had prior knowledge
carmine falcon
its a very different weapon with different use case
plush estuary
crusher is more stagger, Thammer is more single target damage
they are very different
sullen forge
After this Mortis Duo
im either SM2ing or BO6ing
Cause I should either grind out Tactical more or Nebula camo
misty ravine
im on my 3rd bulwark prestige
Just finished Bulwark prestige yesterday. Started prestiging Vanguard and utterly ate shit lmao
carmine falcon
behold, john edgelord
sullen forge
@sterile basalt Dead serious I give up on that
carmine falcon
Just finished Bulwark prestige yesterday. Started prestiging Vanguard and utterl...
vanguard is next after bulwark
or maybe i man up and do assult
sullen forge
Im only Prestige 1
mainly cause I dont really play the game too much
but I do enjoy Tac
carmine falcon
ive been playing it more than dork
i dont dc for starters
misty ravine
behold, john edgelord
For me it was Sword Brethren colors and white tabard, the one without the side skirts
sullen forge
@plush estuary Also when in the fuck did they give heavy, the Heavy Bolt Rifle LMAO
like what
spare talon
carmine falcon
<@665740726474375168> Also when in the fuck did they give heavy, the Heavy Bolt ...
last patch
for le lore accuracy
sullen forge
Is it even good on Heavy
carmine falcon
even tho all 3 other heavy guns wreck it
sterile basalt
<@366562874039992331> Dead serious I give up on that
dead serious I rubberbanded insanely hard
carmine falcon
its a great gun but heavy guns are better lol
sterile basalt
my wifi is unplayable rn
misty ravine
<@665740726474375168> Also when in the fuck did they give heavy, the Heavy Bolt ...
I'm pretty sure Saber's only explanation was "they get it on tabletop đ¤ˇ"
sullen forge
dead serious I rubberbanded insanely hard
crashed 3 times in a row mid way through the waves and just
took it as sign to stop
LMAO
carmine falcon
I'm pretty sure Saber's only explanation was "they get it on tabletop đ¤ˇ"
tbf they added new guns to every other class and ten were like aight lets give heavy the HEAVY bolt rifle
get it
its heavy
sterile basalt
crashed 3 times in a row mid way through the waves and just
maybe it's time to uninstall some mods
obsidian prairie
Going too slow, mutant says you need to hurry the fuck up
sullen forge
Probably, stable everywhere else
obsidian prairie
I'm pretty sure Saber's only explanation was "they get it on tabletop đ¤ˇ"
Could be a GW call at that point
obsidian prairie
blightstormer
misty ravine
Speaking of heavy, why the fuck are the only Heavy Bolter sound effects worth a damn from Dawn of War 2 and Space Marine 1
plush estuary
leech
carmine falcon
im leveling up neo volkite and what even is this gun bro đ
i heard it doesnt feel right until relic so ill refraein from shitting on it
but it does nothing below relic
plush estuary
3.5 disablers
carmine falcon
goofy ass gun
obsidian prairie
3 "permanent" disablers one who drops you after a bit
winter oxide
which character in vermintide 2 plays like zealot?
carmine falcon
the zealot
plush estuary
zealot...
hexed igloo
winter oxide
what his name again
obsidian prairie
which character in vermintide 2 plays like zealot?
Zealot
plush estuary
zealot
winter oxide
i only remember kerillian and markus kruber
hexed igloo
what his name again
Zealot
winter oxide
oh
sullen forge
Saltzpyre
carmine falcon
zaltazypre babji
jagged cradle
for my birthday, would be funny
Itâs your birthday tomorrow?
jagged cradle
Ah I see
misty ravine
which character in vermintide 2 plays like zealot?
charge, shout lots, throw bladed weapons
Slayer Bardin
misty nova
what his name again
Saltz
jagged cradle
How old are you?
winter oxide
thanks
jagged cradle
30?
plush estuary
20 now
winter oxide
i recall playing mainly kerillian
plush estuary
Damn unc ok
ur mom
winter oxide
not sure why, but the daggers are fun to use
carmine falcon
20
ZOOMER
misty ravine
not sure why, but the daggers are fun to use
Cause they're fast
hexed igloo
>20
ZOOMER
How old are you bozo
plush estuary
21
carmine falcon
too old
misty ravine
And they utterly dunk on single targets regardless of their armor
winter oxide
but i hate combat knife in darktide
jagged cradle
<@460880975283486731> <@576701404475949056> <@380460398878392321> if possible, I...
If it requires that I need the mod I probably wonât be able to
hexed igloo
Damn unc status
carmine falcon
certified relic person
plush estuary
If it requires that I need the mod I probably wonât be able to
I saw a section that said there is a way for console and non modded to be able to play
hexed igloo
Actually this time, you're 4 years older than me
plush estuary
looking into it
sullen forge
Im going to refrain from saying anything
plush estuary
gale is 48
hexed igloo
Im going to refrain from saying anything
Great unc
plush estuary
okay, how were the dinosaurs?
hexed igloo
Damn I'm older than everyone except cyber until proven otherwise
sullen forge
I dont want to hear it from an actual fucking Amoeba
winter oxide
damn i played so much darktide i forgot how to play vermintide
jagged cradle
I saw a section that said there is a way for console and non modded to be able t...
Then Iâll be free tomorrow
winter oxide
which class in darktide is similar to grail knight?
plush estuary
relic blade zealot
sullen forge
yeah well bud...
which class is similar to uhhh...
Footknight
bet you cant solve that one
sullen forge
misty ravine
Solve this one: Why did I play so much Shade in VT2 but hate the Combat Knife and stealth builds in DT
That cleared up when I stopped playing Shade
winter oxide
yeah i hate combat knife too
opal star
mashing m1 gets old
visual stream
Solve this one: Why did I play so much Shade in VT2 but hate the Combat Knife an...
Because Shade is a fun gimmick
Knife is zoomeritis but make it cringe
visual stream
would you run BP, Martyrdom, or IJ for crusher
Pretty sure any of them work but could be wrong
plush estuary
I'd run BP for IoD uptime
all work really well
Crusher is such a well designed weapon
works with all keystones
a crit and non crit weapon
sullen forge
I'd run BP for IoD uptime
Stalwart + Enduring Faith + Good Balance making you actually fucking unkillable with Crusher if you path that side BP
plush estuary
not necessary but can help
vagrant sand
also is there a curio to resist pox gas
sullen forge
Thats just corruption res
plush estuary
but I dont know
sullen forge
but you really shouldn't take that
vagrant sand
rn I just have gunner resist
plush estuary
only res you really need
carmine falcon
Stalwart + Enduring Faith + Good Balance making you actually fucking unkillable ...
i use this with relic and it made me worse at the game
tanking hits for days 
wooden dove
I did martyrdom with a crusher and I was attacking and staggering things so fast, I was untouchable once on low health.
misty nova
Footknight
Chastise zealot 
What? You push stuff out of the way with chastise
And back then you could chastise bulwarks soft bits and they would open
jagged cradle
Should I play sm2 or darktide
plush estuary
sm2
visual stream
Does bomber res not resist tox bomber?
I thought it did
Oh no they mean that horrible modifier nm
copper hawk
<@460880975283486731> <@576701404475949056> <@380460398878392321> if possible, I...
Haz fun !!
And happy orly borday
I wont be able to play as ill be probably asleep or at work when u do
Thank u 4 invitin me thoughe
delicate shadow
for my birthday, would be funny
preemptive happy birthday to you in case I don't catch you around here tomorrow
see you at bingo
jagged cradle
I wont be able to play as ill be probably asleep or at work when u do
Isnât playing with ainz more important
No need to sleeb
delicate shadow
sleep is important!
jagged cradle
Wrong
copper hawk
spare talon
sleep is important!
median steeple
parasite
pure tree
Coyote or homunculus?
hexed igloo
sleep is important!
I once went 5 days without sleep, by day 4 the shadows were moving and I was very shaky
Don't recommend
Now that I think about it I was probably shaky from drinking ~30 energy drinks over that 5 days
grizzled aspen
The same effects of fighting 8 benadryls for 3 hours.
hexed igloo
I take 6 benadryls and chase them with 4 red bulls
wary finch
Take the whole bottle
First to overdose wins
hexed igloo
taking 10 benadryl and drinking 2 5 hour energyâs
Taking nyquil and dayquil to see who comes out on top
hard nexus
Taking nyquil and dayquil to see who comes out on top
noonquil
median steeple
it's @hard nexus
hard nexus
it's <@265332960792805378>
MEEEEEE
copper hawk
TĂźrkiye.