#zealot-class

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sterile basalt
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Buff it to 8k

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10k might be a bit ridiculous at baseline

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Since tinkerer also increases it

frosty herald
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100%

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kraks should oneshot all non boss enemies

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and throwing knives all enemies up until crushers and maulers on weakspot hit

hard nexus
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and ragers are a maybe

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i did the mental math wrong

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its 3840

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+1 from the impact

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so theres def a kill flag

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5760 with just tinkerer

stone fern
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i dont want vet players to have fun

sterile basalt
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It should be way higher

hard nexus
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yah i thought it was higher

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base it should be increased

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but i dont think to 8k

sterile basalt
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8k is fine

hard nexus
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longshot applies to krak

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lol

sterile basalt
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You only get 2 grenades

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With tinkerer that’s up to 24k damage by exhausting your grenades

delicate shadow
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give vet throwing shovels

sterile basalt
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120s regen time

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It’s fair

stone fern
inner crane
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give zealot a chain thammer

sterile basalt
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Make shovel good first

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At least 5 buffs to each sapper shovel

delicate shadow
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shovel is great

stone fern
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no just make the active a lot faster

hard nexus
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exec stance applies to the krak impact

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lmfao

delicate shadow
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damn

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that's kraked

sterile basalt
frosty herald
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Imagine if exe stance worked on melee

sterile basalt
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People actually gaslit themselves into thinking shovels are perfectly good

stone fern
hard nexus
stone fern
frosty herald
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Shovel is usable in act 1

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Then you get good weapons

sterile basalt
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Uncanny strike merchant
Supposedly “good at stagger” but actually cannot stagger groups of elites at once, and needs to spec stagger blessings to stagger multiple ragers
Mid horde clear at best

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No real moveset complexity either

hard nexus
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managed to get to 11446

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with a krak

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but thats with an abysmal dogshit build

sterile basalt
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People complain about combat axe being boring and no complexity and praise shovels for being good

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Like ??????

hard nexus
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and thats a macro balancing issue

sterile basalt
hard nexus
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because power as a whole is whats needed

sterile basalt
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It still has abysmal unyielding damage even with uncanny strike

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Because the base damage is ass

hard nexus
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i wouldnt mind stagger blessings being required for rager stagger if the damage wasnt so reliant on uncanny strike

sterile basalt
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And it also banks on skullcrusher for single target

hard nexus
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yeah

long oasis
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which one is the foldy shovel, sapper?

delicate shadow
hard nexus
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theyre all sapper

sterile basalt
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But it doesn’t do enough stagger on its own

hard nexus
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the other 2 do fold

long oasis
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o

sterile basalt
long oasis
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I remember people complaining about the foldy ones being op after they came out

clever swan
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power combat axe when

wary finch
delicate shadow
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like, to be frank, there's not many weapons in DT that are actually complex™️

plush estuary
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Relic blade mk 2

long oasis
sterile basalt
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Relic blade 2 is basically it

long oasis
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I mean cod

sterile basalt
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There’s an insane amount of gaslighting in this community

hard nexus
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relic blade complex?

tranquil owl
hard nexus
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i dont really think it is

sterile basalt
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First people believe crusher moveset is complex
Then they believe sapper shovels are perfectly good

hard nexus
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its really simple to use

delicate shadow
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remember when people were saying Crusher was complicated because it actually had combos you could do? which is something that was practically absent from the game prior

sterile basalt
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Actually insane

clever swan
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it'd be cool if we somehow got weapons with monster hunter like movements, where your guy rests it on the ground a lot due to its mass and such

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but that would be an advanced fuggin weapon for an fps

misty nova
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Lemme just stop middle battle and cook some buffs

sterile basalt
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Genuinely unreal levels of gaslighting

misty nova
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I mean
Food

delicate shadow
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like end of the day a weapon doesn't actually need to be complicated to be enjoyable, it just needs to feel good to use (subjective I know)

frosty herald
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Technically your correct

hard nexus
frosty herald
frosty herald
long oasis
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they were trying to do that with the relic blade movesets

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like the way you hold it and stuff

delicate shadow
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stances would be cool but I'm not holding my breath for that, closest you'll get is activated weapons I think

hard nexus
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folding shovels were kinda close

tranquil owl
hard nexus
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if they lasted for more than one attack

long oasis
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polearms would be a good choice for multiple stance weapons

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there are a lot of pointy bits

tranquil owl
frosty herald
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Stance based activation

long oasis
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sergeant stone my love

tranquil owl
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Split-staff go brr

frosty herald
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Unpowered is fast powered is slow like the powersword in sm2

plush estuary
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That's a stance

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But I see you mean melee

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Would be fun

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Like a SM2 powersword

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Switching move sets and damage

tranquil owl
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Agreed

long oasis
tranquil owl
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Something I didn't know I wanted from games for a long time was melee stances

languid perch
long oasis
frosty herald
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WHICH IS HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY NINJA GAIDEN COMBAT

tranquil owl
long oasis
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so like hyrule warriors

clever swan
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jedi knight jedi outcast had melee stances a quadrillion years ago. goated game

tranquil owl
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You have 3 stances with their own actual differences besides moveset.

frosty herald
tidal quartz
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Like light medium heavy @tranquil owl

delicate shadow
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a power halberd would be so fuckin' nice to have

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or a glaive...just any given polearm really

frosty herald
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Power dao

clever swan
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dark souls combat is just a monster hunter rip off anyway

tranquil owl
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High stance has the highest block power, but only rolls when dodging, medium stance is the balance, one dodge, then roll, light stance has 2 dodges. The attacks from light stance are faster but less dmg, but high stance will have less, usually slower attacks, with higher damage

tranquil owl
sterile basalt
tidal quartz
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Which is all just a Phantasy Star Online rip off

sterile basalt
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Ogryn hammer maybe

frosty herald
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Mid and low bounce from blocking enemies

tranquil owl
tranquil owl
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Thats important

frosty herald
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Except the odachi which doesnt bounce on mid

tranquil owl
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If you cause enemy to bounce in block then you get to wail on them for free

frosty herald
tranquil owl
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Which in nioh, every opening matters

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Unless you enjoy pain

frosty herald
tranquil owl
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Originally

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Cool dude

frosty herald
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That thing is unironically harder than against all corners

tranquil owl
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Crazy fight

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One of my favorites

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But once you hit endgame in N2 you gotta decide on how you wanna play. You can obliterate any boss within 5 seconds, take your time being somewhat beefy focusing on long combos, or there's a few other routes

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I like the long drawn out fights with flashy combos

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And lots of ki regen

mighty root
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@ornate bone who are you and why are you inviting me to a grand Turismo sever dogthankfultojesus

frosty herald
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The lightning gods of yomi were also annoying

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I just invested in anti elemental talismans

tranquil owl
frosty herald
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No

mental arch
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i wish more of those soulslike games had pvp

frosty herald
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Never went into the underworld or hell

mental arch
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i get bored so quickly if i cant invade or fight invaders

tranquil owl
frosty herald
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Nioh 1 had pvp

mental arch
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thats cool

frosty herald
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You can imagine how it went

mental arch
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the only other one that comes to mind is lords of the fallen but its too jank

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just bad

frosty herald
tranquil owl
tranquil owl
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A much more niche TN title but it's stupid fun

frosty herald
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How to make deflecting easy

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Hold block whilst deflecting

tranquil owl
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Don't even need to after a while

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Nothing is really THAT fast

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Once you know enemy patterns is over

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And then the fun begins

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And the fights become cinematic af

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Game is a sleeper

frosty herald
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Then you start getting shit on cause the devs decided that dlc bosses needed hyperarmor

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Passively

tranquil owl
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They take some getting used too, but like I said, once you get used to patterns. You'll get used to stuff like them just attacking you mid combo and eventually everything flows better

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But stuff like this is why TN community is so much smaller, at least here

frosty herald
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I use the glaive and longsword

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I legit have 0 time to counterattack

tranquil owl
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Some enemies have long attack chains, the only boss that tends to give me trouble is tengu guy

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He's cool, but he's a lot

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The rest weren't that bad

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Had to get used to knowing how long they wait between chains, what to look for to know if they're gonna do this or that, yada yada

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Same as Nioh for your first run through and usually for a while even after you're into the ng+ runs

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It took me a long time to really understand just how many reasons there could be as to why the series sells enough but never really gets any social media attention.

frosty herald
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Cant wait for nioh 3

tranquil owl
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A lack of advertising in the western side is one thing

tranquil owl
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It'll be too good

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TN is still cooking up ideas

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Even with it preforming like ass on PC for a good few it still manages solid reviews and good sales

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Rise of the Ronin*

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Tbf, solid story, a lot better than what I was expecting after experiencing Nioh 1 and 2

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Really good characters

frosty herald
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The story is kinda just a retelling of history

sterile basalt
frosty herald
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Trust

sterile basalt
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I don't have hopes lol

placid fiber
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(idk if this was from a conversation, but, I hijacked it for my own purposes)

misty nova
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Rare Stevie T spotted

zinc talon
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it's the little things

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also I was today years old when I found out what the pox bombers are actually throwing at us

plain ferry
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I assume it’s really good but should I still take this talent if I’m going down Martyrdom?

plush estuary
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Punishment is never worth it

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You take it for pathing to IoD/Blazing piety

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I have a martyrdom build example in the guide

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Bad quality, am on mobile

jagged cradle
plush estuary
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Unsure

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I don't buy slop

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No money spent on DT outside the purchase of the game

plush estuary
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F

clever swan
jagged cradle
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You’re boring

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And don’t customize at all

plush estuary
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True!!

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I love my psyker cape

plain ferry
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Thanks

plush estuary
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When naked was still around, it was pantless plus the cape

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Best cosmetic combo

plain ferry
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Was gonna ask just you but didn’t want to bother

plush estuary
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@ or DM me anytime

plain ferry
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But yeah maybe I’ll take more of a look at the zealot guide

plush estuary
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Only time I can't respond is if I eep

plain ferry
plain ferry
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Also do I want two wound curios or three?

plush estuary
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3

plush estuary
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Just read what you want

plain ferry
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Sounds good! Thanks

plush estuary
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Doesn't take long read it all

plain ferry
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Gotcha, lmk if I ever ask too many questions lmao

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But I’ve been running one toughness and 2 wound curios so far

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And I’ll take off punishment

placid fiber
plush estuary
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I see it, but I just keep it shrimple

placid fiber
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It lets me have 172 toughness with marty :3

zinc talon
plush estuary
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What region you play?

zinc talon
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lost on wave 12

plush estuary
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I recognized that player name

zinc talon
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me? US east I think

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yis

plain ferry
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Us East gang

zinc talon
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for whatever reason USW is twice the ping, like 40-70 east and 100-120 west

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bit odd cuz I'm in texas, should be smack dab

plain ferry
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Also @plush estuary , I assume there’s no bad weapons for specific builds? Like the rechad would be fine?

gleaming furnace
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bad is relative

plush estuary
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Zealot makes every melee really good

gleaming furnace
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certain weapons require adjustments to make the most of them

zinc talon
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prolly a bad time to pick up the og chainaxe for a gettin the band back together reunion tour

gleaming furnace
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yeaaaa

zinc talon
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that thing does not handle endless hordes of tinies well at all

plush estuary
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Outside of like dclaw and shock maul which suffer from low damage to certain armor types, all melee weapons are really good

obsidian prairie
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Poor Smaul

plain ferry
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Im in love with combat axe so like, that thing is glued to me

zinc talon
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I still love the thing

obsidian prairie
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Such a fun weapon to hit things with

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So crunchy

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But so unbelievably mid

zinc talon
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there's a secret tricksy dicksy you can do with the psucker

obsidian prairie
gleaming furnace
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yea the axes are fine with "the tree"

zinc talon
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cuz I'm the only man on earth who takes the Heavy Hits Electrocute Enemies

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but you put high voltage on a shock maul, cuz all electrical damage applies

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then stack it with a heavy hit

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and shock

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you do, like, 400% damage with the shock attack

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I exaggerate but not by much

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it's easily triple

plain ferry
gleaming furnace
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youre like one of 5 ppl that use smaul

obsidian prairie
plain ferry
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I use smaul for fun on vet but other than that no

plain ferry
obsidian prairie
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Not disputing that

sterile basalt
obsidian prairie
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But it’s really boring

plain ferry
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I just love hacking things to death

obsidian prairie
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Light spam versus everything shorter than a mauler

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Heavy spam versus everything taller

plain ferry
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Just the way I like it

gleaming furnace
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that could be used to describe like at least half the weapons in the game

plain ferry
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True

obsidian prairie
calm salmon
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In zealot chat?

sterile basalt
obsidian prairie
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Shush

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It’s fun because I said so

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And I’m always right

plush estuary
sterile basalt
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I can say it because I did the combo charts for all 3 and they don't come close to needing 2 pages

plush estuary
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Can I self impose a rule that any taxe hater be educated

sterile basalt
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tac axe could be good with at least 3 buffs

gleaming furnace
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meanwhile the relic blade combos

sterile basalt
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relic blade is the only one that'll get maybe 2 pages

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this is TX2 fyi

obsidian prairie
sterile basalt
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very simple

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this is TX7

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and TX4

frosty herald
sterile basalt
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too simple

obsidian prairie
sterile basalt
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power sword is more complex than tac axe

frosty herald
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switched over to borovian pickaxe and its straight up better than branx and karsolas

gleaming furnace
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mk2 relic blade asks so much from the user that i think id rather be doing actual math

gleaming furnace
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i should run boro more

frosty herald
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you just gotta learn how to do single target and horde sweeps

plush estuary
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The cult

obsidian prairie
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It’s just a slightly more complex horde loop

gleaming furnace
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i rly like boro enjoyers. such a rare breed. theyre the type to ride a unicycle to work

sterile basalt
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borovian is 10% worse single target than branx for at least 20% better mixed horde

frosty herald
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cole started psyker taxe

ornate bone
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So, I know that dueling sword and combat knife are pretty well the meta right now, with relic blade and hammer builds seemingly loved by many.

I have a tendency to run after non-meta weapons for challenge/fun. I’ve got a build for Heavy sword, chain axe, evis….looking to branch off a bit more.

Anyone have some good suggestions for a fun weapon for zealot?

frosty herald
sterile stone
plush estuary
sterile basalt
frosty herald
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you can do 2-3 light attacks after a heavy to get a hordesweep

plush estuary
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But he posted it 1st

gleaming furnace
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you take thrust on it ?

plush estuary
obsidian prairie
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Yes

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Tac axe

obsidian prairie
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So silly and fun

ornate bone
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I was actually looking at the tax recently and considering it

obsidian prairie
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Joyful

frosty herald
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somehow run and gun isnt on autopistol

sterile basalt
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tac axe so boring

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no actual combo thinking

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combo chains don't even make sense

obsidian prairie
sterile basalt
plain ferry
sterile basalt
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that's kind of it

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tac axe is lacking in carapace and unyielding dps

placid fiber
plain ferry
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Oh tac axe

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Shortened right?

sterile basalt
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spread not too different and initial recoil is easily predictable

placid fiber
ornate bone
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Does the shredder do any good vs carapace? If running with tac axe, you’d prob wanna have something to deal with carapace

placid fiber
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The infantry autoguns are so hard for me because of that

obsidian prairie
ornate bone
obsidian prairie
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You just have to ball

plush estuary
ornate bone
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Haha. Swing for the fences.

sterile basalt
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tac axe can deal with carapace

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eventually

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if u crit enough

plush estuary
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I got a clip

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1 min

sterile basalt
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so the TLDR answer is yes but no

ornate bone
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I’ll have to look up a couple of builds for it then!

plain ferry
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So the psyker taxe list is just people who use tac axe with psyker?

obsidian prairie
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No it’s the people who’ll try and convert you

placid fiber
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It's definetly less recoil than the autoguns

ornate bone
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Braced is awesome. Especially if you kneel first. Fire in bursts and it remains very accurate

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Even at long range

sterile basalt
placid fiber
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Brauto having 2 dodges is... rough

ornate bone
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That’s fair. Tbh I haven’t used many of the pistols much, so I’ll take your word for it!

plush estuary
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crusher patrol with taxe

placid fiber
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afaik

plain ferry
placid fiber
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A lot of weapons that have inspiring barrage have much better options to take. x.x

plush estuary
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Some jpop

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That was Grilleto

plain ferry
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Fire

sterile basalt
# plush estuary

yea, given enough crit gambling, it'll kill carapace
eventually

tame sluice
plain ferry
plush estuary
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It's too good

plush estuary
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I'm all in

placid fiber
# sterile basalt nah, ogryn ripper gun

Well... I know can opener gives it a ton of utility with dealing with crushers, but, doesn't the ripper use a larger % of its total ammo per inspiring barrage regen... when oggy can just brace for 12.5% toughness/second with a talent?

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Idk for sure on that one

sterile basalt
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66% or lower ammo roll = 1 stack per shot

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u max stacks in 5 shots

jagged cradle
plain ferry
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What does it mean when a weapon doesn’t benefit from crits?

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Do crits just not affect them?

sterile basalt
plain ferry
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Zealot guide

plush estuary
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Ur mom

jagged cradle
plush estuary
placid fiber
jagged cradle
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My feelings

sterile basalt
plain ferry
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Oh yeah

plush estuary
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These weapons don’t want a crit setup because they don’t have crit blessings that increase their crit chance. They have low base crit chance and don’t need crits to reach one-shots

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And what path said

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But you can run a crit setup with any weapon

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It's just less valuable with those weapons

plush estuary
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Here

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My cat this morning

placid fiber
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@sterile basalt Do any other weapons get good use out of inspiring barrage (without the cost of a decently better option), besides the ripper and autopistol?

plush estuary
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She is boll

plain ferry
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I found three of my cats all laying in a pile

jagged cradle
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This once

plush estuary
sturdy wasp
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is the Devil's Claw a good weapon for a zealot on like tier 4/5 missions by chance ? I'm still making my build (as im new) but ya

placid fiber
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The brauto could be argued for this, but, I feel like it takes a little bit of a bigger hit than the autopistol by taking inspiring barrage and 1 damage blessing instead of 2 damage blessings

sterile basalt
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It’s just QoL

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Blaze + pinning is better most of the time

placid fiber
sterile basalt
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Maybe braced autogun? Idk

placid fiber
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I can't tell you how many times my marty zealot has been saved by inspiring barrage on the autopistol lol

plush estuary
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But you can still use it and win

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Having a good blessing/perk setup and talent tree will make it a lot smoother

placid fiber
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That was the only build I took the autopistol on, 95-99% of the time. Since that marty build always had a melee that could kill pretty much everything... and the autopistol was decent for trappers

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Before the buff I mean

plain ferry
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Oh wow I never realised how good inex judgment is

plush estuary
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It also doesn't tell you

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But it resets your dodges faster

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Tee hee

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And increased dodge distance

spare talon
# sturdy wasp awesomesauce

It's definitely an underperformer but anything below mid-high havoc you can use whatever and obliterate the game tbh
So weapon choice is literally whatever just use what's fun

spare talon
sturdy wasp
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oh shit sweet

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i rlly like the parry

plain ferry
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I’ve been using the combat axe with a crit build this whole time 😭

spare talon
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+7.5% speed and distance (additive) and +15% dodge regen rate when at max stacks

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Those numbers seem small but combat axes have like a +1% dodge distance I think at 60% mobility

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And 15x ij brings that to 8.5%

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Which is a massive difference of distance

wary finch
plush estuary
placid fiber
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Question: does lethal proximity's explosion stagger a trapper who's firing their net? Just wondering since I have it on my bolt pistol <.<

plain ferry
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Is second fotf really that good for Marty?

spare talon
# sturdy wasp i rlly like the parry

Since it's armor damage is weak remember that the dash ability gives +100٪ melee rending to that forced crit
Which functionally ignores armor and then some, and due to the math works way better the worse the weapon is into armor

smoky light
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Why can't I add attachments?

spare talon
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Since it's a finesse weapon it has good weakspot and crit multipliers

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And duellist exists

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You can totally pair a duellist proc with a dash and one shot a crusher with a parry

plain ferry
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Also what’s the best way to get diamantine? I’m broke and can’t upgrade my curios

frosty herald
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Havoc 40

spare talon
frosty herald
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Easy 20k diamantine every week

smoky light
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:(

plain ferry
spare talon
sterile stone
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The best method for the unemployed

smoky light
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What does rending do?

plain ferry
smoky light
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What does finesse do?

plain ferry
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Increases critical hit and weak spot damage

obsidian prairie
# smoky light What does rending do?

Basically? Armor penetration
Complexly? Every weapon has Armor Damage Modifiers (ADM’s), and rending adds to them directly until they reach 100% (1.0) damage to that armor type, after which they add slight damage

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Read paths guide though

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It is the most exact definition commonly available

plush estuary
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Kuli....

sterile basalt
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just watch the clip I sent, thoroughly

smoky light
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What is enemy hit mass?

winter oxide
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their thickness

obsidian prairie
smoky light
sterile basalt
obsidian prairie
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It subtracts directly from an attack’s cleave until it reaches zero

smoky light
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What is impact?

obsidian prairie
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Stagger

sterile basalt
smoky light
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Brittleness is a damage modifier, correct?

sterile basalt
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it's a different type of damage bonus that works in specific scenarios

smoky light
sterile basalt
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it's just words

smoky light
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They slide off my smooth brain

sterile basalt
# smoky light They slide off my smooth brain

brittleness =
u hit enemy to weaken their armor, thereby allowing all attacks that normally sucks vs that armor to now do more dmg

however, if an attack is already good vs that armor, brittleness does very little

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if enemy is not wearing armor (and is unarmored or infested), there is no armor to weaken so brittleness does NOTHING

smoky light
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Brittleness is practically useless then?

sterile basalt
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if let's say

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your sword sucks vs flak armor

north sedge
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Brittleness is not great on most weapons

sterile basalt
#

add brittleness then it'll be a bit better specifically vs flak armor

smoky light
#

Interesting

sterile basalt
#

however

#

if ur sword already does rly well vs let's say, Maniac

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adding brittleness won't change how it performs vs Maniac by much

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again this is all explained in the video I sent

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it's only a video because I can't screenshot 9 pages into 1 image

winter oxide
#

its a black screen on his end

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so he cant view it

misty nova
#

Codec moment

winter oxide
#

im joking i dont actually know

misty nova
#

Have mass modifier against carapace

sterile basalt
misty nova
#

None of that will go through carapace anyways

#

😭

sterile basalt
plain ferry
#

What’s the setup for max boss damage?

sterile basalt
misty nova
plain ferry
#

Actual build

smoky light
#

How much do i ha e to talk before I get the roll of reject?

plain ferry
#

I know it’s something something thunder hammer and shroud field

misty nova
#

It's not like the pstrike reduction is going to help

sterile basalt
#

why does this sentence read like Jensen Huang is saying it

plush estuary
#

someone changed the guide

#

hmmmm

misty nova
#

Must fuck NURGLE 🗣️

#

I mean
Mootash Pharg

plush estuary
lean cairn
winter oxide
#

oh role

#

not roll

smoky light
#

Aight

winter oxide
#

never thought i would be able to hear audio from 2 different chaos factions in darktide

smoky light
#

Should I do martyrdom or blazing piety?

violet hornet
winter oxide
#

was only expecting nurgle

placid fiber
#

The last day and a half: I eat 0 crusher overheads... The malice run I did to get the last 14 scab melee kills: I eat 2

smoky light
lean cairn
#

piety

placid fiber
#

That was so embarrassing

misty nova
#

If it's CRIT build
Piety it is

smoky light
#

Ok

hushed knoll
plush estuary
#

SURE??

#

I saw that person

#

he was typing

placid fiber
#

That malice run was kind of funny because not only did I get 3 psykers, I got 3 psykers with force greatswords while I had the relic blade. We were the beeg sword bois

smoky light
#

What are the best blessing on the thunder hammer for a crit build?

spare talon
#

None

plush estuary
#

I have perk/blessing combos in the Zealot guide

spare talon
#

Because you don't use thammer on a crit build

smoky light
misty nova
smoky light
#

I need my bonk stick

spare talon
#

It has terrible crit damage scaling

misty nova
#

Hell let it be know that it'll suck

plush estuary
misty nova
#

However

plush estuary
#

@smoky light

spare talon
#

Just go IJ to improve it's attack speed and fix it's bad dodges

misty nova
#

Thrust + Slaughterer/Headtaker

smoky light
placid fiber
misty nova
#

Then Flak + Maniacs/Unyielding/Carapace

#

Whatever you hate more

spare talon
smoky light
#

Aight

spare talon
#

Unyielding plus any of the rest

smoky light
#

I fucken haight maniacs

misty nova
#

Then Unyielding + Flak/Maniacs/Carapace

hard nexus
plush estuary
spare talon
plush estuary
#

it already has high unyielding

misty nova
#

Just don't go CRIT/SPOT DAMAGE perks

#

Those I can't defend

plush estuary
#

it doesnt need help with boss dps

misty nova
placid fiber
frosty herald
#

Youll want carapace unyielding on ironhelm

hard nexus
# spare talon It's literally thammer

you already have really good boss kill, if you want to build for it, sure, or specifically for bulwark light one shots, but you don’t need unyielding

#

carapace, flak, unyielding, elites

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are all good choices on thammer

#

unyielding isn’t required

plush estuary
#

shrimple

placid fiber
#

Unyielding is just a quality of life for removing a monster faster on the thammer >.>

spare talon
#

You can also hit crusher one shots without a perk

hard nexus
# plush estuary

i’d say unyielding is a good choice, as it lets you one shot bulwarks on an empowered light with buffs up

frosty herald
#

Only normal thammer struggles with flak

spare talon
#

The only time I can see carapace on a thammer is for havoc and you'd still be taking unyielding as the other anyway due to you being the boss killer especially with the quantity

smoky light
#

My thammer will one shot flak on weakspot hits

placid fiber
rain knoll
misty nova
winter oxide
placid fiber
#

That's for the crucis tho

placid fiber
#

Martyrdom buffs. For every wound your health is below you get 8% damage(and have bonus things for it which are 4% attack speed per and 6.5% toughness damage reduction per)

pale spindle
#

Marty DEEZ N.

smoky light
hard nexus
#

oh ur going for crit hammer

#

hm

#

keep scourge

misty nova
#

Master Retribution

hard nexus
#

drop blood redemption

#

take faithful frenzy and sustained assault

smoky light
#

If I don't have blood redemntion or scourge,I have no connections

spare talon
#

For a crit build drop blood redemption and keep scourge

#

Drop masters retribution and take the other piety nodes on the right

#

And yes faithful frenzy and sustained

hard nexus
#

drop blood redemption

spare talon
#

I would send a picture if a standard non-inherent crit weapon build but games lantern stinky on mobile

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And will not load

obsidian prairie
#

Gameslantern has just be being shitty recently

spare talon
#

I also will point out again that thammer isn't a crit weapon and does better with IJ and so I recommend that route more

smoky light
#

What ij?

spare talon
#

Right keystone

#

Very easy to maintain buffs that are very good, with very low point cost

#

Also hidden dodge buffs per stack of it that make the thammers lower mobility much better, like night and day

smoky light
#

say what ones to drop and take again

spare talon
#

I'll just find the images I sent elsewhere hold on

#

First is crit build
Second is non crit build
These two and mild variations of the two can be applicable to every single weapon zealot has

smoky light
#

Aight thank you

plush estuary
#

imagine if there was a guide for this

#

(sorry)

#

gotta shill

spare talon
winter oxide
#

how much do you have to move to gain 1 stack of ij?

north sedge
#

Not much (and you're more likely to get them from dodging anyway)

winter oxide
#

i just think of it as fleet footwork

#

not really convinced by it

north sedge
#

You're pretty much at max stacks always in fights from dodging

spare talon
winter oxide
#

wait its not per dodge

spare talon
#

So you'll get capped out to 12-15 even when barely moving in a realistic fight

winter oxide
#

the ingame description makes it sound worse than it actually is

spare talon
#

It's mandatory

zinc talon
#

(I don't take it)

#

ope wait. yes I do. cole's right mandatory

hard nexus
#

thankfully they aren’t here

#

and rarely are

median steeple
#

stinky people

hard nexus
#

true !

analog ember
wary finch
pale spindle
dense gust
#

hey guys, for the devils claw what perks do you put on it?
and blessings

visual stream
#

I'm going to start tipping less when servers assume that I'm paying for both

#

Like I am, but it's 2025 and we all got equal rights

copper hawk
#

I had awesome dream

copper hawk
#

Shred rampage

dense gust
#

thank youuu

limpid plume
#

Trying to run "Just a Flesh Wound" anyone willing to help, or looking to do with us, feel free to hop into ST3

hard nexus
#

get off tf2

#

you have a zealot to help

plush estuary
#

nuh uh

copper hawk
#

Tf2..

#

Ooh..

#

Mby.. a lil tf2..

#

Never hurt.. noouppy..

median steeple
#

addiction 💔

visual stream
#

Walk into a room because the one we're in is empty, get magnet dog'd, turn around and none of team is there

#

Huge patrol swarms in

#

What changed for magnet dogs to start existing bro

#

They didn't used to do that

misty nova
#

Well I was playing until I lose

#

Best of 3 anyways

plush estuary
#

yum

#

scouts when I place the dispenser

visual stream
#

AI sloperation detected

plush estuary
copper hawk
#

wtf

#

it's gurt

plush estuary
#

He's been in my games alot recently

carmine falcon
#

this game is evil

#

this is why i dont want to level up shit YAMERO_AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

sterile basalt
#

tac axe IV done in guide :))

winter oxide
#

nice

#

thats my favorite weapon

misty nova
#

Nice overview lol

ornate bone
#

Anyone happen to have a good heavy sword build? It’s always been my fav weapon to run, but aside from its obvious weakness to carapace, it always felt like my build was a bit off.

If anyone knows a good one, I’d be down to try it and experiment!

plush estuary
#

flak + elite, deathblow + headtaker

#

mk 9

#

heavy special combo for Carapace

#

heavy spam for horde clear

winter oxide
#

is the mk9 stronger than 6?

misty nova
#

Nuh uh

plush estuary
#

yes

#

well...

#

its more simple

#

so its easier to get results

#

mk6 has a harder time with horde clear with the heavy combo

#

or was that 7

#

idk

misty nova
#

That's why you Light

winter oxide
#

i just spam lights on the mk6, is that correct?

#

for horde clear

plush estuary
#

are you reaching 1 shots on horde?

#

for Deathblow?

grizzled aspen
# plush estuary

Honorable mention to stalwart piety if you are ok with losing some of your other talents like good balance/twbs/purge/anoint.

winter oxide
#

im not sure about 1 shots sometimes they live

plush estuary
#

then no

#

its not worth

#

Deathblow needs 1 shot to get value

winter oxide
#

i use fotf + heavy 2 sometimes

#

what can i use other than deathblow?

grizzled aspen
#

What stats does your sword have, first off?

#

It should be one shotting all chaff if it's set up correctly.

winter oxide
#

flak maniac + deathblwo headtaker

grizzled aspen
#

Stats, not perks and blessings.

winter oxide
#

defence dump stat

grizzled aspen
#

Like did you dump defences like you're supposed to or not?

#

Ok, is it fully empowered?

analog ember
#

just post a screenshot of the weapon

misty nova
winter oxide
#

hmm yeah the mk9 seems a bit easier

grizzled aspen
#

Also using lights on hsword is kinda worthless.

winter oxide
#

for heavy horde clear

copper hawk
#

darktude.. yes..

grizzled aspen
#

It's a heavy sword.

#

Use heavies.

misty nova
#

Full damage 1st target
2nd and 3 targets take the same damage
4th and 5th targets take the same damage

winter oxide
misty nova
#

If you go for heavies on mk6 and 7
You'll deal full damage to 1st and 2nd target
But then it drops off hard on the third

winter oxide
#

i guess you just loop light and heavies for the horizontal slash

ornate bone
# winter oxide i guess you just loop light and heavies for the horizontal slash

This is why I like the mark vii. It’s just too good on the charge.

It’s also great for flak armoured patrols of gunners or whatever. It suffers horde clear a little, but that’s what a flamer is for!

It can still handle hordes fine though if you dodge a lot. You just gotta remember you’re not gonna kill it as fast as say, an Evis

winter oxide
#

mk6 does that too

#

the combo is just reversed lol

ornate bone
#

Which is why I usually take bolter instead of flamer on heavy sword just incase.

Mk6 as well?
I’ll give it a shot!

winter oxide
#

i wonder if savage sweep is good on the heavy sword

ornate bone
#

Sorry I was thinking of a time I ran a different build when I first started darktide which was ok, but it wasn’t nearly as good as the ones I found later on.

zealous narwhal
#

Suggestion for first build to go for on Zealot?

analog ember
sterile basalt
winter oxide
#

yeah i realized

sterile basalt
#

because heavy sword's cleave dmg distribution after first 2 targets is ass

winter oxide
#

trying thrust and rampage now

sterile basalt
#

just take deathblow

#

lol

spare talon
#

Please just take deathblow

misty ravine
ornate bone
# plush estuary

Thank you, this is a great one. Gave it a test ride and it felt good.

zealous narwhal
modern lintel
copper hawk
winter oxide
#

is it better to run inexorable judgment or piety for the heavy sword?

#

just realized im using an inexorable judgment talent tree

modern lintel
#

ij prob

#

both will be fine tho

copper hawk
#

piety imo

#

for maximum charge uptime

analog ember
#

there we go

copper hawk
#

which means more fury of the faithful

#

meaning you can kill armor more consistently

misty nova
#

not a finesse weapon
Looks inside
Finesse blessings

median steeple
#

I love how no matter how many times they nerf it, crit CDR will always be stupidspamtonroast

misty nova
long oasis
#

me when every weapon is a finesse weapon if you try hard enough

analog ember
#

"recon las is not a finesse weapon"
takes 15 stack mmf

misty nova
#

😭

median steeple
#

cash meow

misty nova
long oasis
misty nova
median steeple
#

getting a curse put on you

median steeple
#

wait did slop shop update or something

copper hawk
#

like without iod this would take wayyy longer

#

my idea with making builds is that you should try and get an answer for everything

#

this is the answer to the crusher/armor pack problem

#

bolter is too cumbersome and revolver is boring

#

you dont really need ij

#

your heavy sword 9 already has the best horde clear in the game with dblow and hter

#

with sustained assault you're good

#

it has 5 dodges

#

i think it's giving buffs to areas the weapon already excels in while neglecting its biggest issue

long oasis
copper hawk
#

being its anti armor capabilities

#

with fotf and iod/piety you're getting fotf back constantly

#

armor dies in two hits with a fotf charge and a follow up weakspot heavy

#

if ur duelist and sustained assault is proc'd it can be a one hit

#

in the middle of a horde and you see three crushers you can immediately kill one and kill the other in a second and a half

#

the crit damage on the hs 9 isn't bad either

#

a crit will instantly kill most or nearly all specialists

#

and most elites

#

also each chastise gives you 10s of additional attack speed

#

so it ramps up ur dps significantly

#

with the crit rate w piety and ur innate crit u can get a chastise charge back before the attack speed buff ends

#

so you can overlap charges to keep maximum swing speed up

#

u can do this w ij too with just getting ij stacks but u usually only get around 7 stacks mid combat from dodging enemies

#

yap yap yap

median steeple
#

Human computer

bitter anvil
#

"regular killing machine, that's me!" KEKW_ogryn

spare talon
median steeple
#

throwing knives also fall into the boring category imo

plush estuary
#

ur mom

median steeple
#

don't care boring ass ability

misty nova
#

DT itself is boring

#

You should uninstall it

#

NOW!

spare talon
#

skyrim potion syndrome with grenades

median steeple
obsidian prairie
#

Potions are most my weight

#

I have to box them repeatedly

median steeple
#

I just hate how close both zealot and vet are in the terms of grenades/abilities, hell even psyker has sameness with blitzes

copper hawk
#

cuz having to reload after like

#

3 or 2 crushers

#

growls like a sigma

#

sighs like a badass

#

u wouldn't get it ,,

#

shrugs epicly

sterile basalt
spare talon
#

but you can soften them with it instead, saving much more ammo and making you deal way more damage with your melee

#

oh and those numbers are without anoint, so it could be 3 shots

#

enough ammo per clip for 5 crushers

copper hawk
#

provided you dont miss a shot that's four perfect hits,so three crushers

#

in a pack ur sol and have 2 wait to reload

#

oopz

#

also, i take a bolter w that build

#

for that reason

#

2 dead crushers at least w the hs 9 w the two chastise charges

#

with the boltie ones

#

most of the pack is dead

winter oxide
#

wait

#

crusher one shot with fotf?

median steeple
#

yeah a bunch of weapons can do it with FOTF

winter oxide
#

no i mean the heavy sword

median steeple
#

just a really good ability

median steeple
#

Heavy sword and a bunch of others can hit that BP with FOTF

copper hawk
misty ravine
#

Clearly hsword needs uncanny, imagine having to deal with ADMs

median steeple
#

give every weapon uncanny

#

and precog

misty nova
winter oxide
copper hawk
#

dont make any build require building around things

#

uncanny 4 everykitty

#

we should give thammer uncanny

#

:3

modern lintel
misty nova
#

💀

sage swan
#

I think the thammer should be just as strong as hammers are in Vermintide

copper hawk
#

make it even moldier

median steeple
#

Dual thunder hammers....

misty granite
#

ogryn needs a cool activate weapon like all the other classes

modern lintel
#

fold shovel

#

power maul

misty granite
#

not cool

twin wagon
misty granite
#

big gauntlet

obsidian prairie
#

By that metric vet doesn’t have a cool activate weapon

misty granite
#

turn it on for massive punch

misty granite
median steeple
#

me after I get handed the cup that kills you

misty granite
#

white people love fent

misty granite
#

i think the last mcchicken i had was infused with this mans soul

plush estuary
#

love this bug

#

😄

obsidian prairie
#

How many legs

misty granite
#

Fuck your bugs

median steeple
#

I'm trying to figure out what exactly happened here

plush estuary
#

the captain bug

#

knockback can 1 shot you

modern lintel
#

maybe you just got sleepy

obsidian prairie
#

Captains murdering you because spaghetti

median steeple
#

interesting

#

Instead of fixing it they should nerf zealot

obsidian prairie
#

Another on the list of reasons I shouldn’t play havoc

modern lintel
#

once you play to much havoc damnation starts feeling like malice

median steeple
#

I can't bring myself to play hav solo anymore

#

just feels like a chore because of the penances

twin wagon
#

Pubs for havoc are painful

median steeple
#

got my rewards and now I'm free

misty granite
obsidian prairie
#

I have no havoc capable friends, I don’t play enough, and captain bugs

#

(And skull issue)