zealot-class

[fast rapids]

it is tragic that so much of the zealot tree is just getting the good minor nodes

[plush estuary]

Yes

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/venti-genshin-impact-ventispin-spin-gif-25191045

[plush estuary]

And FS has said they are going to do zealot tree next

[frosty herald]

For real?

Wait yeah

[plush estuary]

Wasn't it in the dev blog in the ogryn update

[frosty herald]

I forgot it was in the mortis devblog i thonk

[peak cipher]

please god be soon

i hate this fucking tree

[modern lintel]

i think next thing they said was a new vet weapon would be cool if zeal rework at same time

[fast rapids]

So would people still use blades of faith if it weren't directly beneath second wind and they had a gun that can kill specials

[plush estuary]

Yes

[fast rapids]

interesting

[frosty herald]

I dont use blades and still use second wind

[plush estuary]

Tknives are infinite ammo range weapon

Capable of 1 shotting a crusher

[fast rapids]

ammo isn't too big of a concern to me with special killing guns

1 shotting a crusher is a bit more intriguing

duelist + crit?

[stable cypress]

the only thing other blitzes really offer over tknives in a vacuum is anti bulwark racism and easy revives

[plush estuary]

And hand cannon

From revolver

Since tknives take the blessing buffs from holding weapon

Yippee

[fast rapids]

yeah but if I'm using a revolver I don't really need something to do even more against crushers

now obviously I can't get duelist to activate in psychanium but even with uncanny I can't seem to get the blades to do 2/3 of a crusher

oh I suppose I need carapace too

[sonic totem]

That still works with handcannon? I thought they patched that out

[grizzled aspen]

Nope, tknives still inherit all buffs.

[sonic totem]

Including perk buffs?

[grizzled aspen]

Yup.

[sonic totem]

Damn, might need to go back to revolver again

Thanks for the info

[pure tree]

Another W for the most awesome talent tree in the game, Veteran tree

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-call-of-duty-black-ops-call-of-duty-black-ops-cold-war-cod-cold-war-gif-20469320

[frigid olive]

Good morning, does anyone has a good thunder hammer martyrdom build?

After playing pickaxe ogryn I feel like going back to zealot and trying the thunder hammer

[sonic totem]

Do you want it specifically for martyrdom or are you okay with other keystones?

[twin wagon]

I hope veteran tree remains as is for the next 2 years

[frigid olive]

I’ll take it with other keystone too

[acoustic dune]

bliss or piss

[twin wagon]

ferret

[acoustic dune]

no its a

fizzard

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/rove-ronin-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-rove-my-beloved-gif-16473167956839176903

[sonic totem]

Sharing this here

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ece548b-7761-4e12-bc32-faa493e749f6/th-momentum-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Sorry for the late reply, my lunch break just ended lol

You can mix and match certain points if you want some particular talents. Like 'Thy Wrath Be Swift' isn't essential so you can use those 2 extra points anywhere else that you'd like (I'd suggest getting swift certainty and retributor's stance if you want alternatives). But 'Thy Wrath Be Swift' is also big quality of life and not having it will feel pretty bad sometimes, so up to you

Curios are also completely up to you. I just put in what I usually use for all my non-martyrdom/speedrun builds

And laspistol because having a mobile weapon is pretty nice, but I'd recommend flamer if you don't mind being slow.

[frigid olive]

No problem, thank you very much for sharing!! I’ll go laspistol as I’m not using that weapon on any build and if I don’t like it I’ll go flamer

[lime rover]

Chat

I have discovered combat knife

I have now, turned to the dark side

[acoustic dune]

so i made a soulblaze loop

in the meatgrinder

[lime rover]

So I bought a property on atoma

And what they do is

They give you the property

[hard nexus]

single eyed bomber

fire effect

[lime rover]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-of-rah-eyeofrah-eye-of-rah-dread-eye-of-rah-dreads-i-bought-a-property-in-egypt-gif-5564801161099745076

[acoustic dune]

are those one of those spicy cheetos and are string candy on top of his heads?

[lime rover]

😭

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cheetos-flaming-hot-chips-gif-16467929

[ivory dawn]

omg silly girl you're so girly and silly I can't believe it

[tranquil owl]

Finally read about the ingredients in these things

https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario-depressed-mario-walking-in-rain-mario-sad-depressed-gif-6943075901738095231

You know its gonna be bad but then you find out how bad

[acoustic dune]

everything is bad

when bad happen

i blame stan

[tranquil owl]

Tru

Stan 😡

How could you

[ornate bone]

I have tried the combat knife myself…I dunno, I still love my eviscerator and relic blade too much. And chain axe. Need some chain axing in there as well.

I’m just a sucker for weapons with cool modes for extra killing 😂

[lime rover]

You're playing the wrong loadout then

[ornate bone]

Something just feels bad ass about revving a chain weapon up and seeing limbs fly

[lime rover]

My gameplay looks like this with combat knife:

[Insert any sped up gif]

[lime rover]

Yes but, meleeing so fast enemies can't hit you because you move so fast is way funnier

[ornate bone]

Oh it’s fun. I won’t deny that. The movement you get is unreal!

[copper hawk]

Hate knife ,,

Grr ,,

[acoustic dune]

luv knife

yumm

[sonic totem]

Every patch I hold my breathe, thinking today's the day they nerf knife. Every patch they let us degenerates get away with more op knife shenanigans

Truly a classic

[drowsy furnace]

Have you seen the balance changes recently

I highly doubt anything's getting hit with a nerf hammer

[sonic totem]

True, fatshark is more likely to buff the other weapons, which is honestly more than fair

I wouldn't mind a few months of a devil's claw meta or something

[tame sluice]

could they do it anyways though

kinda sick of seeing dumbasses bring nothing but dueling sword to havoc missions

and then we have nobody to kill hordes

[sonic totem]

Poor psykers stuck on horde duty every time

[sacred jay]

I got dueling sword on zealot i have not once used

[sonic totem]

I mean, it's not the player's fault though tbh. Dueling sword enables a very... Risk-free playstyle so moving away from it is hard

[sacred jay]

To me it doesnt asthetically feel like it fits zealot

With vet sure

[sonic totem]

It was funny actually. I played power sword vet for a while and was surprised at how strong it was in havoc. Then I remembered it was meta before dueling sword

[lime rover]

The knife is really really smexy

They'll never patch it without backlash so hot they'll have to close the studio down for a day due to threats lol

[winter oxide]

knife feels bad to use

[tame sluice]

feels pretty great to me tbh

just don't use it super often since I prefer other weapons

[winter oxide]

I tried it once in havoc and it didn't really work out

[drowsy furnace]

I feel secondhand embarrassment when I play my assail gun psyker and see zealot pubs go down before me

[sonic totem]

Yeah going down first as zealot on havoc is.... Questionable

[drowsy furnace]

Precisely so. Everyone can has bad days but some of those instances have been plainly egregious

[sonic totem]

Except barrels. Barrels do not see class. Barrels take anyone and everyone

[drowsy furnace]

On my first h21 attempt recently, I was the last teammate standing two minutes into a metalfab mission. In a team with two zealots and an ogryn

They messed up their chorus activations and everything, it was painful to watch 😦

[winter oxide]

2 chorus zealots?

[drowsy furnace]

1 was chorus other was chastize

Chorus zealot went down first, just struck by multiple poxers and died immediately

[winter oxide]

poxers = crushers?

[drowsy furnace]

Other two died as we tried clearing the way to hurry to a daemonhost ritual just below that first ramp, I managed to kill the cultists and folded soon after

[drowsy furnace]

No, poxwalkers

[winter oxide]

no way

[sonic totem]

Yeah, that would do it

[drowsy furnace]

It's really easy to forget they deal corruption dmg

Ig it's amped up a ton on havoc?

Idk how else they could have died in 5 seconds without even being downed otherwise

[winter oxide]

not to the point where it's 100 to 0

[mild sparrow]

Poxwalkers are no joke if they surprise you with no toughness

[winter oxide]

maybe until death went on cooldown and they took a bad fight

[drowsy furnace]

I don't believe they even had until death

[winter oxide]

💀

[drowsy furnace]

I also distinctly remember the chorus zealot only having 2 wounds

So I don't believe they were running a martyrdom build

[winter oxide]

then those are frauds

[drowsy furnace]

Tbf rank 21 is the grear pubbie filter because if you've managed to make your way so far with a substandard build and or a poor game sense you'll just die before you're even close to reaching the first med station

[misty nova]

Nice Piety propaganda

Goes martyrdom

[acoustic dune]

is there a edit wehre is just a d or a evil

[hearty nebula]

evil 5

[acoustic dune]

d 5

[stone fern]

have u slept today girlie?

[ornate bone]

This is why I run Eviscerator. Give hordes the business, and can still handle crushers and maulers/bulwarks, reapers, monstrosities…

It’s more work for sure, but worth it

[tame sluice]

isn't the eviscerator mediocre to outright bad at all of those things?

[ornate bone]

I don’t have any real issues with it.

Just gotta remember to rev before taking on things like crushers and what not.

You can rev, heavy attack, then charge and it does a silly amount of damage

I mean, sure, it’s not a thunder hammer so it won’t one shot bosses. It’s not a dueling sword, which will also one shot crushers and what not (unless you rev, heavy attack, then charge, then it will one shot crushers)

But it holds its own 🤷🏻‍♂️

[pale spindle]

@hard nexus

Let em rip

[misty nova]

Nuh uh

Despite 4 cap

The Evis15 lights have good damage against those 4 targets on a horde

Like

It legit one shot the first groaner/walker on a weakspot hit

With rampage up and small melee buffs it kills 2 walkers/groaners per swing on spot hits

Anyways Brutal Momentum exists

[carmine falcon]

evis 15 is very safe to use

the wide swings may not kill more than 4 but will stagger everything

[ivory marlin]

My team is so swag

[copper hawk]

Yes

Looking at it as a weapon, the XV has alright horde clear and lacks a bit in the armor killing department. This can be mitigated though with our only build

3 is terrible. It's bad at all those things listed

But compared to other weapons in its niche, then it's the worst at all those things listed

[misty nova]

My goat 15 is also the only weapon that can chain kill crushers

(unsafely so)

[opal star]

my heart goes out to the crusher for being able to reliably open up bulwarks before subsequently caving their skulls in

[misty ravine]

Relic Blade does the Eviscerator's exact job better in every way. Other than maybe a little less DPS on bosses (especially those with shields) provided you can keep safely making rev attacks and won't be smacked out of them (or forced to dodge out) before the big final tick

[misty nova]

Evis15 opening bulwarks

[opal star]

evis15 damage dropping off considerably because my twitchy ass pressed spacebar mid-rev attack

[placid fiber]

@copper hawk Hey, cica, did you know the mk10 relic blade can still sometimes hit bulwarks through their shields still? (I somehow fucked up the bitrate or w/e on this, by accident)

[copper hawk]

Yah u posted this yesterday

Supposedly patched

[misty nova]

Ah yes
Fatshark "fixed" it last patch

[copper hawk]

Classic OzempicSeacreature

[placid fiber]

It happens more when you move towards the bulwark as the push attack is in progress, from what I can tell

[misty nova]

40+ BMI Chondrichthyes

[carmine falcon]

can we make the bulwark shield 360

[placid fiber]

If you do it too early or late? Shield hit, from what I have tested. I'll probably do more tomorrow or the day after because I was starting to get it to happen more and more(the more I practiced)... It's not really practicaly to go for the bug, tho, since most of the time your relic blade glances off of the shield <.<

[carmine falcon]

also they should spawn in 50 man packs and do a spartan formation for 2 minutes

[misty nova]

With invisible shield hm yes

[misty ravine]

Trauma Psykers eating so good they'll be sick of eating so good all the time

[misty nova]

Fully armored Bulwark when

[carmine falcon]

ez program them to violently rush the psyker on the spot

[misty nova]

Inferno Psykers

[misty ravine]

Would only work if they gain stagger immunity too, otherwise trying to bum rush the psyker just increases their density even further

Even then a good one could probably keep blasting and kiting them while everyone else struggles to get any damage in (one of them had his shield raised so now the whole stack is shielded)

[carmine falcon]

200% speed when spotting a psyker

[misty nova]

Damn, where's that video where an Inferno psyker got rushed by bulwarks on an elevator and all the psyker did was dodge+ huff and puff the inferno

Yeah no I give up searching

[ornate bone]

I don’t disagree with this statement. Relic blade is eviscerator on easy mode. Just turn the power on and go to town.

And the average damage vs Bosses is mitigated if you bring a boltgun, which I always do for bosses, crusher/mauler patrols,
Etc. throw a full salvo into a patrol, turn the relic blade on and it’s an easy mop up of whatever is left

I used to run flamer with relic blade, but I find the blades horde clear is fine on its own. Especially if you block attack. Watch the heads roll

[misty ravine]

I would bring a Bolter with either Evis or Relic Blade if I wanted to lock in (I usually run Bolt Pistol for convenience and LARP)

[copper hawk]

Flamer is honestly still acceptable with the relic

And on the evis

For bulwark packs

Or more than one bulwark in a mixed horde

[ornate bone]

Agreed, I find flamer will just annihilate bulwark packs.

[copper hawk]

Because zealot is the only class without a realiable way to remove bulwarks from the fruit salad of enemies they are appetizers for

Fruit salaaad..

Yummy yummy..

[ornate bone]

Flamer is honestly great against everything except crusher packs I feel. It will still do its job, but takes longer

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/fruit-salad-yummy-yummy-the-wiggles-were-all-fruit-salad-song-yummy-fruit-salad-tasty-mixed-fruit-gif-20156551

Removing the infantry support for bosses or crushers finally lets you use the shred on the evis

Since u have to wait 5 business days for the heavy shred to wind up, hit, shred, finish

[misty nova]

Evis15

[copper hawk]

Evis is a weapon that's equal in parts both left behind/powercrept and a victim of inconsistent/nonexistent design philosophy

[sullen forge]

Sitting here wondering why bulwarks shields just haven’t been reworked cause everyone fucking hates them

[copper hawk]

They were

[tawny harbor]

Bolter? Fire grenades? Flamer? Zealot has a lot of options.

[copper hawk]

And the rework was put in vt2

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130953226611597413/1362472539686703104/tenor_1.gif

[misty nova]

Just don't hit the shield

Otherwise they bash you

[ornate bone]

It is the downside to the evis. It’s a great weapon but the time to rev before every single attack takes valuable seconds away when you’re dealing with crusher patrols and the like.

[copper hawk]

We did this convo earlier and i removed any weapon out of the mix that other classes had access to

[misty nova]

So you either force it open (Evis15 )

Ogryn punches

[copper hawk]

The only valid options are crusher, immo, and flamer

[misty nova]

Or wait for it to swing

[copper hawk]

That's it for bulwark parks

Packs*

Immo requires significant investment on behalf of a zealot due to our outdated glorpshit tree

[misty nova]

And then I treated them the same way as I do on DT
Just hit the shield

[stable cypress]

Not when there's 5 others to bodyblock and they got purple healing

[misty nova]

[copper hawk]

Flamer and Crusher are really the best tool, but even those are just weapons

If you've got neither ur sol

Ogryn can hit over the shields or stagger them out of it w a number of talents, Vet has the best grenades in the game that regen and send bulwarks on their asses (along with plasma, if we're counting individual weapons, and psword)

[misty nova]

If there only was a way to deal 7200 unyielding damage (Evis15)

[sullen forge]

It’s easy to say this when the hits still hit the shield even though I clearly hit it in the arm or head

[misty nova]

[copper hawk]

Psyker's whole tree is full if stagger on button press, or assail, bb, venting shriek wiping screens etc

All of their staves

Either stagger open bulwarks with next to no investment, kill them all, or knock them on their asses

[copper hawk]

This rlly

[ornate bone]

Loves me a smite psyker in the group when I’m playing zealot for this reason

[copper hawk]

Evis can open shields but it's not realistic when considering bulwark packs

It takes a full shred heavy to stagger their shield opeb

[ornate bone]

Honestly, a smite psyker and zealot combo just obliterates everything.

[copper hawk]

Provided they dont just ignore it and hit you or bash you

Smite anything obliterates everything

[stable cypress]

I'd rather eat bulwark shield bashes irl for the rest of my life than play with smyker if I had a choice

[sullen forge]

You will be shield bashed into a corner

You will like it

[copper hawk]

Fixed it for you

Actually

Psyker obliterates everything

Double fixed it

[sullen forge]

Ogryn does also

[ornate bone]

They do, provided you have a team who will realize this and protect you.

[copper hawk]

Yep

[sullen forge]

Triple fixed

[copper hawk]

Zealot doesnt

Quadruple fixed

[sullen forge]

It’s Darktide

[misty nova]

Nuh uh

[sullen forge]

Your teammates will ignore your ass

Lmao

[misty nova]

You can cancel out of it

[copper hawk]

Faster 2 name the classes that cant than can

[misty nova]

So not fully

[copper hawk]

Watching a plasma shredder vet evaporating a mixed horde in a civi

[sullen forge]

🛌

[copper hawk]

If you dont do the whole thing they retain their guard

[tawny harbor]

yeah why don't we just remove all the weapons and just PRAY for the enemies to go away?
oh wait that actually is an option if you're near a ledge

[sullen forge]

Boring ass vet build

[misty nova]

Nope

[copper hawk]

Them w their shield slightly open doesnt count as opened up

It has to latch for a bit to stagger them fully open

[misty nova]

You can cancel out of it
No need for fully rev

[copper hawk]

Still impractical if troo

[misty nova]

Not fully rev then

[copper hawk]

Crusher flamer and immos

That's all u got

[ornate bone]

Kinda why I prefer to use non-meta weapons myself. They are fun for sure, and can’t deny effectiveness. But man it does make it boring at times.

[misty nova]

Glad we corrected that early statement

[sullen forge]

Technically stunstorms but like

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

Or have stealth

[sullen forge]

Who uses those

Lmao

[copper hawk]

The blitzes would be kino if we werent forced to pick one in a fucking tree

Curse u roundfish

My build would be a hlistol or bistol w piety hs 9 build w stunstorms

Or immos

Bistol or hlistol cover tknives

[sullen forge]

Me thinks it would be funny if Zealot got a talent that could give them a grenade back to encourage immo and stun usage

[copper hawk]

Immos and stunstorms cover other weakness

Get rid of grenades and give them other varities of tknives

Hurls tomahawk of debuffing on a crusher

[sullen forge]

Honestly I just think an easier way is give them options to get grenades back so Both Vet and Zealot are encouraged to use their entire kit

That’s my opinion

[stable cypress]

hurl bodyshaming insults at bulwark, making them drop their guard

[acoustic dune]

what would be your thought of instant use nade?

like tknife and etc for zealot

[sullen forge]

I’m talking like talents that give them blitzs

[acoustic dune]

also ey gale

[sullen forge]

So it’s not just only Vet

Tree needs a rehaul bad

And I think they deserve a way to maintain blitz’s aside of Tknife that’s it

[acoustic dune]

hope zealot get a overhaul first

ok hear me out

[long cosmos]

Most of my hours are sunk into psyker, only pennances I'm missing involve private game and cliffhanger 😭

[copper hawk]

Nah wayyyy more than that gale

[acoustic dune]

what if the blitz for zealot was more instant use

per example
a smoke nade that you dont need to pull out and explode on you

or smth similar to that idea

[long cosmos]

I mean what if they just leaned into the whole "paladin" thing and caused the molly to buff you and your allies while standing in the flames?

[tame sluice]

they don't need to be hit to bash you

[acoustic dune]

incense nade

the reverse of pox nade

if buff you for a limited amount of time

like a lite version of a med crate or so

[sullen forge]

Immos need a rework cause they just lack any power aside of fucking with enemy pathing

Stuns are actually useful it’s just Abysmal dog shit pathing

Still could use a change

[neon relic]

braced autogun 🥺

[acoustic dune]

a sub catagory for arleady existing nade would be great

[tame sluice]

eh the pathing for stuns isn't as bad as for immolators

If you're using a weapon that heavy attacks a lot

[carmine falcon]

i like the talents u take before immo

[tame sluice]

disdain, ewew, and vicious offering are all pretty decent

[acoustic dune]

can we have smth like the clown bottle in dbd?

[sullen forge]

Again “The Build” remains true

Why path through those when that’s literally leagues better

It’s why the tree needs a massive rework and shuffling

[carmine falcon]

ill take annoint, purge and restoring faith

[sullen forge]

And the two other Blitz’s to be changed

Not to mention

A lot of Zealot mains

[carmine falcon]

but like gael said regardles sof which one u take, you HAVE to take THE BUILD talents anyway unless you wanna be weak

[sullen forge]

Are now playing Ogryn

Lmao

[misty nova]

Yeah
But hitting their shield prompt them to bash you

[acoustic dune]

question

what nade would work for a zealot?

[tame sluice]

stun grenades are pretty great

[acoustic dune]

but what if we expand on the flashbang?

[long cosmos]

Well yeah since ogryn has more build flexability than a glorified book bot , you can run pretty much any ability without getting shrieked at

[acoustic dune]

can we make it like the nade affect sniper aswell?

as a sub category or smth

[hard nexus]

kid named like any other weapon that does horde clear

[acoustic dune]

in a scenario were enemy look at your way and they get stunt like for a second or so

mostly affecting range unit

[hard nexus]

it gets outperformed in every way by relic blade

it does nothing better than relic

[acoustic dune]

like an alternative of a smoke nade

[sullen forge]

They can use any melee and deal 4x more Damage than Vet or Zealot in melee

That’s fucking insane

[misty nova]

They are mostly carried by BM

💀

Base wise they aren't as good

[acoustic dune]

thinking of when theres a scenario were multiple sniper are looking down the alley that you gotta go through

[long cosmos]

I feel like out of the 4 classes, zealot and psyker have the most "obligation" on what ability they have to bring (being book and bubble respectively) in high difficulty runs

[ornate bone]

Not wrong, but the relic blade doesn’t rev 😂 I’m a simple man. I like chainsaw revs.

That said, I wonder if they implemented a similar mechanic for the evis if it would hold its own? As in you click rev and have a time frame to just go to town, just like the relic blade.

[acoustic dune]

isnt it bc of the cooldown more then anything?

[sullen forge]

Veteran being VOC survivalist or kick in Havoc lmao

[acoustic dune]

since thats the class with the highest cooldown reduction

[ornate bone]

I think relic blade would still be better since it doesn’t need to spend time sawing through everything

[acoustic dune]

why?

[long cosmos]

huh, I thought executioner's stance was fine

I know vet aura is pretty much survivalist or kick but I thought they had leeway on ability

[acoustic dune]

oh nvm i cannot read
thought you wrote voc survivalist are getting kicked

speaking of havoc

how long does it take to find a group that would take you?

[empty python]

i do like shred with perfect strike on eviscerator, doesnt have to stay "powered" to work too. Relic does kinda rely on Piety mostly for crits

[sullen forge]

If it gave TDR whilst ADSing you’d see it more

But in havoc you’re getting shredded immediately

If you peak into a shooter horde

[hard nexus]

piety perfect strike is the best way to run mk3 evis

but even then

relic does everything better

except being able to cleave carapace

evis just

sucks

unfortunately

[sullen forge]

Relic blade to Evis really is the Sniper to Spy comparison

Everything Evis does Relic does better

[empty python]

well, unfortunately, chain weapons do kinda need a buff on their special attack

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis h2 does like

[empty python]

I really do wish they make them at least deal a lot more dmg to carapace or so

[hard nexus]

100 total damage

more

than h1

[long cosmos]

Sniper tf2 rant incoming

[hard nexus]

it’s so useless

[empty python]

but chain weapon special is REALLY nice for captain/lt's shield

[ornate bone]

You know, I’m actually using a build you provided me for the evis and it still does good in damnation/basic auric.

But that said, when you see it pitted against a zealot with a relic blade, knife, dueling sword etc, it’s just sad seeing how much more work you need to put in with the evis to achieve the same results

[empty python]

at the very least

[sullen forge]

I’m just not fond of a class instantly killing everything in the game aside of 3 in under .2 seconds but I’ll leave it at that

[empty python]

I WANT chain weapon's special to apply bleeds by default

[ornate bone]

They 100% should.

[empty python]

or just sth with bleed

or apply brittle

or sth

[hard nexus]

while a little more carapace damage would be nice, evis issues lie in its incredibly weird ADMs

dealing 1200 damage crit weakspot to flak on L1

then dealing 300 crit weakspot to maniac on L1

is just stupid

and damage caps and terrible damage distribution

and not enough stagger on h1 for a rager

[empty python]

well, push comes to shove, just take bolter

[ornate bone]

This. I find it hilarious that it takes the same time for me to kill a crusher as it does a maniac/rager.

[frosty herald]

I want a complete overhaul of existing blessings

[hard nexus]

strikedowns deal less damage into carapace

than the sweeps

it makes zero sense

[empty python]

another day, another good hammering and bonking monsters 🙂

[ornate bone]

Tbh, after running evis for awhile and chain axe, I’m kinda excited to see how I’d do if I ran an actual meta weapon

[empty python]

tbh, I took evis on zealot, did just as well as relic tbh, playing both with chastise

I think I might prefer evis more with book* i aint gonna lie, cuz shred for faster CDR crit xD

[sullen forge]

Nah fuck it let’s go further

Give chain weapons a unique debuff on enemies from landing reved attacks

[empty python]

maybe a bunch of brittle

honestloy, all chain weapons should have some kind of brittle blessing

[sullen forge]

Too simple

Give me an hour I’ll think of something

[ornate bone]

The Emperor pities you; if landing full rev on chain weapon, enemy will die…eventually

[sullen forge]

Pick special debuff is literally called “Pull”

Just call it “Ravage”

[ornate bone]

I’m split on this one. I have had matches with the evis where I out preform other zealots for sure, granted I could tell they were less experienced players or maybe using a weird build.

But when I’ve played with others who are obviously using good builds/meta builds, the evis falls short. By the time I kill one crusher, a zealot with dueling sword or even relic blade has killed 2

[long oasis]

suppress nearby enemies after special hits

[sullen forge]

We don’t have a slowness debuff in the game yet do we

[misty nova]

Evis15 is just a third mark of relic blade

[sullen forge]

Just realized this

[misty nova]

It holds itself strong

[long oasis]

isnt there one in mortis

[misty nova]

Just like 8 seconds diff on horde clearing

Everything else few milliseconds behind

[misty nova]

Not for enemies

[ornate bone]

Oh it does its job. I hold my own with meta builds/players with no issues. And I find I clear hordes way better than others can.

But when I play the same build with relic blade, I always do better than I do with the evis.

I find with evis I need to take a lot more risk to get the same results, because you’re depending on rev’s to land in the middle of horde rushes

[empty python]

bolter's always the answer for when u want to deal with crushers, I just like evis a bit more when it comes to clearing horde, cuz it got shred and perfect strike

single targer dmg-wise, obviously it wont win any awards compared to dueling sword or relic, but eh you play it for what it is and compensate with a bolter

but I've had my moments with evisccerator mk3, just full send into maulers and crushers and just spam light attacks and kill them with crit overheads, obviously it's not SUPER fast but it does the job, perfect strike helps

[ornate bone]

It’s why I bring the bolter! It really does make up for the evis weaknesses.

[empty python]

indeed

still dunno why so many zealots opt to taking flamer even they got a pretty good horde-clear melee already

[sullen forge]

Yeah just make it a Slowness + damage increase

[ornate bone]

Flamer is great for just about anything except crusher patrols!

It’s an ammo hog, though.

[opal star]

because it's a flamethrower and flamethrowers are cool and awesome

[ornate bone]

I run a chain axe flamer build and it eats through everything. Once groups see you taking out mauler/bulwark patrols and all hordes, they’re happy to let you have more ammo

[empty python]

egh, most of the times people bring flamer they barely ever use it from what I've seen. And honestly I'd be really glad if zealots would prefer to bring bolter to help with ranged elites more tbh

I feel ashamed that most people just opt to solely leave the ranged elite-killing to vet alone

and like, we're zealots, just full send and melee the horde, it cant be that hard xD

[tranquil owl]

Can just have throwing knife for ranged elites and still have flamer no?

Got in the habbit of using it to take out ranged instead of always taking the same gun or couple of guns

[empty python]

I wouldnt say throwing knives are that great of a tool to deal with couple of reapers and gunners throwing lead at you like 40+m away xD

but i suppose it's nice with dealing with trappers or manics and such ig

[tranquil owl]

Guess it depends on the player 🤷‍♂️

Love those long range tk kills myself

[mental arch]

i did some havoc last night for the first time

early havoc seems a lot easier than auric maelstrom

depending on modifiers ig

[tranquil owl]

I've heard some horror stories of high havoc runs

[mental arch]

im assuming it ramps up in difficulty as you do higher levels

[tranquil owl]

Usually centered around people realizing they don't wanna do it with randoms

[misty nova]

1-10 is like malice diff

[mental arch]

ok makes sense

[misty nova]

Yeah it ramps up past 16

Peaks at 25

[tawny harbor]

I'm new to havoc as well, done a handful of missions now. Auric Maelstrom puts you at rank 16, which seems close to the difficulty of an Auric Maelstrom. However I'm having trouble moving up from there. It seems the ranks around 16 attract people who've just completed their first Maelstrom successfully.

[misty nova]

Then everything past that is just silly hard for the sake of being silly hard

[tranquil owl]

If they were to watch someone run high havoc they may reconsider

[ornate bone]

Honestly, it’s why I take it with chain axe. You kinda are forced to use the flamer 😂

[tranquil owl]

Suddenly you're a team with 3 ds users, what's your first weapon of choice?

[twin saddle]

might be a dumb question but ive never paid attention, do 2 wound curios exist?

first time running thunder hammer zealot so idk how i can minmax my dmg

up to 8 wounds means i would get max buff if i had 9 wounds which to my knowledge is impossible on zealot?

[misty ravine]

No

[analog ember]

I wished

[misty ravine]

Not possible in Heresy or Damnation, outside of Mortis Trials random buffs

Martyhammer is a vibe but Zealot just doesn't have much room for Minmaxing because there aren't a lot of "optional" talent points left over where you can choose to put them towards damage or something else

[twin saddle]

aight thanks fellas

so how do i minmax thunder hammer zealot dmg? all wound curios or 2 wound ones one toughness one?

[misty ravine]

minmax damage
The thing that gets you more damage, so more wounds

[misty nova]

It's all or nothing

[tawny harbor]

There's no point taking wound curios in higher difficulties.

[misty nova]

Kid named martyrdom

[tawny harbor]

Unless you're already the type of guy who only takes damage once in a blue moon

[misty ravine]

Talents will be basically this. TWBS is not a damage talent but I highly recommend it on Thammer.

If you want a stealth build ask someone else, I hate it and never ran it outside penance grind (as a filthy Shade main this is saying a lot)

[analog ember]

Rip. Can’t even get cdr

[violet hornet]

Here's a meme one shot build I made, but I don't use it. I use something similar to athaleon's above, but with IJ instead of martyrdom

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e248890-aed8-4867-a37b-9e0a2eeafb70/shroudfield-bonk-meme

(it's the same as the above build with shroudfield perfectionist instead of FotF)

And missing the attack speed node under martyrdom

[acoustic dune]

is there any other weapon that work well with shroudfield that is not the thammer

[tawny harbor]

What do you mean "works well"? Boss damage?

[misty nova]

Knoife

Ok any other weapon

Uh

Hsword

Un

Uh

[violet hornet]

Relic blade poke would probably work okay with it

[acoustic dune]

didnt like the combo that much

which also about the hsword

[violet hornet]

Or chaxe heavy rev if you don't mind using shroudfield mid saw

[drowsy furnace]

People actually play with hsword?

[misty ravine]

The bigger the single-attack damage, and the better the Finesse multiplier, the better Shroudfield will work

[acoustic dune]

its kinda wack that it does almost do to no damage to carapace

[drowsy furnace]

I thought that weapon was terrible

[acoustic dune]

its shit agaisnt armor

other then that

a solid weapon

[violet hornet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1310331189550256228/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2024-11-24_2-47-36_PM.mp4?ex=681478c4&is=68132744&hm=4cf1403c75e8818097b1f9b420d186758abc70aa64b5f3be524dd67080541739&

[acoustic dune]

also can we get a rpg as a range weapon for zealot?

[drowsy furnace]

Last time I tried it its light attacks did zero damage

[misty ravine]

If Heavy Sword wasn't so bad against Carapace it'd be one of the most popular melee weapons

[violet hornet]

It's not used as much anymore since relic blade handles hordes and elites about as well but is also good vs bosses and armored targets

[acoustic dune]

it has a nice horde clear

with you loop heavy swing

[misty ravine]

It's meant to spam heavy and special attacks, more or less. Feels slow and bad outside of Zealot for that reason

[acoustic dune]

if only we get a 2 hand axe

[drowsy furnace]

Yeah figures

I tried it on vet and psyker and it was terribad

[acoustic dune]

i am never not using a force greatsword on psycher

and vet

recon lasy

thats it

hold m1 till it dies

[violet hornet]

Light spam is only for the weakest chaff and when they're not too abundant

[drowsy furnace]

You're missing out but suit yourself

[acoustic dune]

what would be a op range weapon for vet
it would be a braced version of the recon lasy

[misty nova]

Hsword is a special weapon
Mk6 and mk7 lights have a special cleave damage distribution which makes it pretty good against hordes

However

[hollow fulcrum]

Is martyrdom the play for higher havocs? I've been playing momentum, but most people I see run martyr.

[misty nova]

The existence of Deathblow

[long oasis]

Vii swing pattern is awkward

[violet hornet]

Yeah most people don't like it

[misty nova]

Kinda of whatevers the mk6 and 7

[violet hornet]

Mk9 is much more popular and arguably easier to learn

[long oasis]

I liked vi

[acoustic dune]

whats the middle hsword?

[long oasis]

because it had the eagle pommel and I didnt have any skins

[acoustic dune]

i like that one

simple combo

and nice arc

[violet hornet]

6 is good but all the moves are reversed from the 7 which I'm more comfortable with, so I have a hard time not thinking it's a 7 lol

[misty nova]

And all heavy Strikedowns have a unique cleave damage distribution
The first and second targets take full damage

Then it drops off really hard

[long oasis]

Should be vi

[acoustic dune]

Speaking of weapon like the hsword

Very specialise and heaving a hard counter

Is there a range weapon that have the same problem?

[long oasis]

Any autogun against cara i suppose

[misty nova]

Autogun
Cara

[acoustic dune]

I kinda wanna see a rpg in the game or smth

[misty nova]

[long oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-b-u-h-cat-silly-кот-gif-2242355352608793340

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-stressed-cat-banana-cat-gif-15455068164842202481

Anyhow

Do we have any news about the next update?

[misty nova]

Yeah it checks out

[acoustic dune]

How op is the force greatsword?

[misty nova]

Pretty

[acoustic dune]

Do you they will nerf it?

[analog ember]

The weapon itself is arguably not op. But gunker talents make it broken

[misty nova]

It does have the worst dodges in the game

[acoustic dune]

Well for what it does

It is very op no?

Stunt range disabler

Good horde light swing

[analog ember]

Nah

It’s good

[acoustic dune]

And a very good heavy attack

[analog ember]

But it’s really gunker talents that make it op

The sword itself is considerably weaker than relic blade

[misty nova]

looks inside
Infinite cleave Warp Slice

[acoustic dune]

That one special alone make it op for me

[misty nova]

At one bar it kills hordes
At two bars it kills gunners and such

[analog ember]

Yeah that’s a big part of the swords strength

[acoustic dune]

Ah but you forget I don't need to fill bar

The use itself lemme farm warp

[misty nova]

I mean
0 bar is just ranged stagger

[acoustic dune]

I use it too generate warp and spam venting shriek with it

Which is great

Since I have a force greatsword that generate 50% warp

[blissful frigate]

the dropoff on it is real sad though, starts at 8m and 13m for 1 and 2 bars, then looses half it's damage 3m after

gotta get 2 bars if you want it to reach the softer elites, but by the time you do have 2 bars everything is either dead or you have better options to clear those enemies

like spamming assail or staff

it's dumb how the only blessing that's built for the swing does nothing to it, there's so many cool things you could do with the charge mechanic and force cleave but all we get is a crit that adds less damage than 1 stack of peril damage

[acoustic dune]

Yeah the blessing for the special stink

But the special itself is quite nice

If you special back to back without any bar

It's a complete room clear

It's a literal nuke button in 2 presses for trash mob

[blissful frigate]

I mean the melee swing itself is fine but at 0 bars you ain't doing damage

[hard nexus]

maintaining 2 bars isnt really hard

you wont have it 100% of the time but

you have it when you want it

[blissful frigate]

running scriers in havoc definitely gave me that, but auric goes just a tad too slow to keep

[acoustic dune]

With the build I use
Even at 0 bar it feel powerful

[hard nexus]

i disagree

[acoustic dune]

Or I just remenber it wrong

[hard nexus]

i havent had any issues with it

in auric or havoc

[blissful frigate]

auric horde and elite density just isn't enough fuel for me there, If I don't use it when I get it right away it will decay back to 1 bar

but more stuff dies to it at least

I dont remember if it's enough to 1shot a damnation bulwark through the shield if you're in melee range but it do a lotta damage

[plush estuary]

Or you can do what I do and spam 0 charge beams

"whatever, go my beam"

[blissful frigate]

rare blue hitmarker sightings

[grizzled aspen]

You can always juice your damage without charging your sword to kill chaff.

i.e. max warp rider, max scriers, max dd, max malefic...

[ornate bone]

This. It also has a decent dodge. If you get good with it, you can literally dance through hordes/gunner patrols and kill everything with heavy blows.

I forget which mark it is, I think VII, has an amazing horizontal heavy slash. Charge and heavy swing into a horde, gunner patrol etc, and you’ll legit kill 4-5 gunners in one swing if you aim right.

It is absolute ass for carapace though. I have a loadout for it but I bring bolter with it

[plush estuary]

This but FGS beams

[grizzled aspen]

That's because it's a heavy sword. It's in the name. Heavy. Sword. (use heavies)

[gleaming furnace]

its not even heavy

if it can be wielded with one hand its not heavy

[grizzled aspen]

True, falchions aren't that heavy.

2-4lbs on average.

That being said, they are heavy towards the end.

Falchions don't cut, they chop.

[plush estuary]

I saw a heavy sword once

[blissful frigate]

i rember

[plush estuary]

I member

[misty nova]

A big knife

🗣️

[plush estuary]

Oooh, zealot should get a knife

Imagine

But big

Name it like, "heavy knife"

[blissful frigate]

zealot should just get ogryn weapons, no need to keep melee weapons from the melee class

[mild sparrow]

... So the Devil Claw?

[plush estuary]

Yes

Knife but the model is 4 times bigger

Shrimple as

It one shots everything but the model covers your screen

[misty ravine]

What if we could use the power maul in two hands?
I would call it a Crusher but that name is already taken by an enemy. Seems like it would be confusing

[plush estuary]

FS should make me a tester I have plans

[mild sparrow]

I would honestly love to see the branx held by a human character

[ornate bone]

Can call it the Shouty crusher

[plush estuary]

Plans that I cannot share

[blissful frigate]

need dual wielding, and a shield, ogryn has both but zealot doesnt????

slab shield zealor pls

[misty ravine]

Melee + Pistol

[ornate bone]

Honestly, a zealot with shield who charges into combat and beats the shit out of things with their shield would be fun

[blissful frigate]

vermintide

[ornate bone]

100%!

[misty ravine]

Power Sword + Storm Shield

[mild sparrow]

Zealot can have Ogryn weapons...

But on one condition

[gleaming furnace]

PLZZZ

[ornate bone]

They think the duelist sword is OP now….

[blissful frigate]

what's he holding in the other hand

[gleaming furnace]

another toothpick

[mild sparrow]

A smoothie

[blissful frigate]

better not be another

[gleaming furnace]

[ornate bone]

Rashuns?

What we really need in darktide is an ork operative.

Ork free-boota

[mild sparrow]

Just paint an Ogryn green

Close enough

[ornate bone]

I’d compromise for that.

[blissful frigate]

I'm hoping we get some dumb event that does shit like that. 1000x better than the events we do get

[violet hornet]

Thunder hammer and relic blade ogryn when, ?

[mild sparrow]

Too powerful, we risk destroying all of tertium

[hard nexus]

chat are we back

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/i-got-plans-that-im-not-going-to-share-i-got-plans-mischievous-gif-26380436

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis my beloved

we went through like 4 players

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah I was going to ask about that vet

How did they out damage the person on the left

[hard nexus]

he was actually decent

[sullen forge]

Or the haters

Will sabotage

[hard nexus]

they were really bad

[hard nexus]

me to

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah I noticed but like

[hard nexus]

and all of my plans are amazing

[sullen forge]

Because you’re never wrong right

[hard nexus]

.......

flashbacks,,,,

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[hard nexus]

i will

never get over that

tbh

teeeheee

absolute insanity !

[sullen forge]

SHITSHARK ADD THE RADIO OPERATOR AS A BASE GAME SPECIAL!

AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-god-of-war-knees-gods-gif-17928519

[obsidian prairie]

Woe.

Havoc modifier.

[blissful frigate]

havoc modifier for 6 months and then never again

[sullen forge]

Extreme copium cause I know damn well they will

[blissful frigate]

until choas wastes

[sullen forge]

Lmao

[blissful frigate]

If I don't see all 4 types of green buff on a single enemy in chaos wastes I'ma be mad

[plush estuary]

tf2 update today

[blissful frigate]

no way I'ma piss if they added localization

[acoustic dune]

what does the radio operator even do?

[sullen forge]

1 crusher that is unkillable the entire match

You simply just have to respect his existence

[inner crane]

calls for backup iirc

[blissful frigate]

that's just GTFO lol

[obsidian prairie]

2000 hp scab gunner with Unarmored head, and summons trappers, snipers, and stalkers

[sullen forge]

And bombers

2

[acoustic dune]

horyshit based

[sullen forge]

To be exact

[plush estuary]

and crushers

and plague ogryns

and rinda

[acoustic dune]

tbf i never notice the increase of elit unit and etc

[obsidian prairie]

Oh hadn’t seen those when I was messing with it in psyk

[sullen forge]

He doesn’t spawn in till you do one of the event objectives

[blissful frigate]

no way

[plush estuary]

yup

[sullen forge]

So you have 3 chances to see him

[obsidian prairie]

Horrific

[acoustic dune]

is there an animation of him calling for backup?

[sullen forge]

I think it just selects from a random pool of elites and specials

[obsidian prairie]

Justice for our juiced moebians

[sullen forge]

And is always backed up by 8 stalkers

[blissful frigate]

Only the sound of him calling stuff is really noticable

[obsidian prairie]

I live seeing them next to normal sized enemies

And it looks like take your kid to work day

[sullen forge]

He just fucking opens his arms and baby rages in the air

But his sounds are obnoxiously loud

[acoustic dune]

maybe he get killed too fast when i get his ass for him to do anything

[sullen forge]

So you’ll notice him from a mile away

[acoustic dune]

it would be a cool concept if he try running away

hinding in cover

would actually give loner a reason to exist

[obsidian prairie]

Too big

[obsidian prairie]

Nope

[acoustic dune]

hence the fun

[inner crane]

Nothing will improve Loner

[acoustic dune]

if he was too smol

it would suck

[acoustic dune]

ok hear me out
loner let you multiply other people aura

if it was good

[blissful frigate]

I think making it a coherency toughness boost is even worse than what it already is

especially auric and havoc

[sullen forge]

It needs a full rework

[blissful frigate]

That's just the old ogryn middle aura

[acoustic dune]

it would atleast be interesting

[blissful frigate]

The new ogryn middle aura just boosts toughess as a whole instead of only the toughness gained by coherency

[sullen forge]

Being in combat drops its effectiveness immediately

Again

It’s useless

[acoustic dune]

tbh if the loner aura was replace by idk

a rat on your arm

[blissful frigate]

yeah that's honestly better

[acoustic dune]

it would be more preferable

[blissful frigate]

Just turns you into a skaven

[sullen forge]

Just do fucking backstab damage worse case

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rat-drone-ratcopter-ratirl-gif-19265734

sending my rat like this

[blissful frigate]

turns Tknives into Trats

[acoustic dune]

that suck
at that point make it increase melee damage

[sullen forge]

Ogryn does that

So you can’t unfortunately

[acoustic dune]

more doge?

fuck it

[blissful frigate]

maybe, doge is definitely meta

any dodge buff would be insane

[acoustic dune]

the aura make you spawn more specialist

and thats it

[acoustic dune]

make doge longer and or add a +1 dogdge before the penalty kick in

[sullen forge]

Stamina based probably

Realizing there is no stamina based coherency yet

[obsidian prairie]

+1 dodge would be insane

[acoustic dune]

i can see stam regen

but thats it

[obsidian prairie]

Dodge distance or dodge speed is reasonable

[blissful frigate]

stamina would be realistic considering fatshark balance

[obsidian prairie]

Stam regen would also be nice

[sullen forge]

I was thinking this

[sullen forge]

But yeah FS would probably take a regen speed approach

[blissful frigate]

vet focus target kinda, the one that gives stamina and toughness to everyone when the target is kill

[signal spoke]

Hear me this but loner rework would be 5% melee speed increase and 10% critical damage boost

[sullen forge]

Kinda but more so Auras

[acoustic dune]

compare to the other class aura
that sound too much

speaking of aura

the corruption cleanse aura

[blissful frigate]

just make it swift slaying

[acoustic dune]

thought?

[signal spoke]

I dont mind the cleanse aura but it is very situational

[sullen forge]

Shit you’re right that’s another option

Melee speed

[blissful frigate]

it's ok, mid until you have that one old havoc modifier or an extremely shitty poxgas map

[signal spoke]

Yeah

Or some random bringing the aura from auric mission that is not even pox gas modifier lol

[sullen forge]

Strike gold if the game decides to spawn a shit ton of tox bombers lmao

[blissful frigate]

You'd definitely have to make the aura less passive than the rest to be interesting. Seems like survivalist is the only aura that kinda makes you play into it

I guess beacon of purity is also less passive, lets you ignore corruption sometimes

[acoustic dune]

ok hear me out

what if the cleanse isnt a aura

but a skill

[signal spoke]

swift slaying?

[blissful frigate]

swift slaying is meta blessing equivalent in vermintide 2. doing a crit gives you 15% attack speed for 5 seconds

[obsidian prairie]

Wasn’t it 20

[signal spoke]

Fire team existing meanwhile Ogryn 10% melee increase already exists
Though I would fire team aura to be like 10-15% ranged damage increase

[obsidian prairie]

Either way you took it on every single weapon besides a few extremely niche exceptions

[signal spoke]

That could work but maybe give it a cooldown like 8 seconds?

[blissful frigate]

That's just psykinetics aura to psykers middle aura

[signal spoke]

Wait auras dont have cooldown dont they

[obsidian prairie]

Survivalist

[signal spoke]

Oh yeah suvivalist, literally the only one

[blissful frigate]

That weapon blessing is probably the reason fatshark didn't really give much attack speed buffs in darktide for a while though, they are sharking in their boots at the thought of it

[obsidian prairie]

Attack speed is a multiplicative damage buff

That also increases safety

[acoustic dune]

me think survilvalist shouldnt have a cooldown

[pale spindle]

Nonononobonono

[blissful frigate]

Not with elite and special spawn rates in higher dif

[frosty herald]

after the survivalist nerf it isnt worth it to pat through

[acoustic dune]

it would be so funnier

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-darktide-get-away-shoo-disappear-gif-5683568285290773389

[frosty herald]

your better off pathing through the other auras

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[signal spoke]

lol

If survalisist wouldnt have cooldown then I would forever use Fire team

[blissful frigate]

fireteam should have a cooldown

[signal spoke]

The game should have a cooldown

[blissful frigate]

it does

limit your fps to 1

[signal spoke]

Stingray engine when anything happens

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-cat-spoon-spoon-cat-cat-apple-apple-cat-gif-254879498273748

[misty nova]

The humble Backend error

[pale spindle]

Vet rework coming in trust

[sterile basalt]

Fire team applies to everyone’s damage regardless of conditions so it’s technically a little bit better than Ogryn’s heavy atk aura

[pale spindle]

It's not heavy attack anymore it's all melee damage

[sterile basalt]

Oh forgot about that

It’s still a little bit better

5% unironically changes 2 gun’s breakpoints

[pale spindle]

Me being a Chad and taking suppression damage on all my builds:

[blissful frigate]

dot damage boost is nice too I guess

[sterile basalt]

Ogryn takes melee damage aura mainly just for his own dps

x400+% overall melee dps is crazy

[blissful frigate]

the new middle aura for ogryn is pretty crazy too but the point to get to it is kind of a tax

[plush estuary]

slam is worth it sometimes

I only take it sometimes if I go taunt

and someone else it taking melee damage aura

[blissful frigate]

really nice for letting teammates survive pox gas but ogryn already has tons of toughness

[sterile basalt]

It’s mid

It’s not remotely on the same level as left aura

[blissful frigate]

ontop of psyker bubble regen, it can help outpace melee damage by a good amount

[sterile basalt]

15% extra toughness gain is not nearly as big as people like to think it is

When u gain 30% toughness, that aura makes it 34.5%

It’s super small of a difference

[pale spindle]

I think it's mostly to aplify weapons like Cleaver that can take confident

But tbh u shouldn't be mindlessly left clicking all the time 💀

[sterile basalt]

Going from 13% to 14.95% is again, not that big of a difference

[signal spoke]

Its all melee now

[sterile basalt]

Yea someone corrected

Fire team is still overall a little better

[signal spoke]

[sterile basalt]

Outside of havoc and CIVI, and a few very specific ranged weapons, no reason to not take fire team on vet

[pale spindle]

Nah u c: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/cpW2FnlgEo

[signal spoke]

Fire team still should belong on left side

[pale spindle]

Reddit sub strikes again with the "meta" 😈

[obsidian prairie]

“Serrated is objectively good” excellent self report

[sterile basalt]

They’re not wrong

[hushed knoll]

Hello carpets

[sterile basalt]

98% of builds

They didn’t say 98% of good builds

Besides a lot of good builds do go down that template

[signal spoke]

If the aura was to have a rework that applies to ranged damage increase, it would match to be same side as exec stance

[sterile basalt]

So can’t rly complain

[pale spindle]

Then 98% are wrong

[frosty herald]

i could take kraks and twinned blast if i dont go survivalist

[pale spindle]

This is what I was responding to

[frosty herald]

clearly the better choice

[pale spindle]

"krak is a nood trap"

[frosty herald]

ill do a funny infiltrate build when power axe or powerfist comes

[signal spoke]

smoke just doesnt work

[sterile basalt]

Reddit people are always on the more extreme side

[pale spindle]

Evil Bethesda be like

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-street-cat-the-gluttonous-beast-check-looking-for-looking-for-common-sense-gif-9278743162843966757

[violet hornet]

I use krak nades because I like the noise they make when I stick one to a bulwark shield

[pale spindle]

He said not

[signal spoke]

He licking on that hard R

[pale spindle]

But it doesn't matter I never took it 💀

[violet hornet]

(and have it detonate three seconds after the team kills it)

[sterile basalt]

I think vet backbone is this

U don’t rly have good choices to not be taking this

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/unbearable-weight-massive-talent-nicolas-gif-27639994

[signal spoke]

[frosty herald]

how i feel after beating both postgame bosses before the final boss in clair obscur

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-dragon-ball-piccolo-standing-on-tower-tower-gif-13558229454457057953

[misty nova]

You know
I expected that from reddit

[violet hornet]

Someone drop the video of smoke nades completely disabling rodin

[plush estuary]

this?

[misty nova]

[sterile basalt]

Barrel thyself

[violet hornet]

Yes that's the one, thank you

[misty nova]

This one

Rodin starts to Aura farm

[sterile basalt]

Smoke needs at least 3 major buffs

Krak can use at least 3 major buffs

Frag needs 1 nerf

[signal spoke]

Frags must need 3 nerfs you mean

[pale spindle]

One shot all bosses

[sterile basalt]

No just 1

Nerf bleed stack from 6 to 5

Done

Nothing else rly worth changing on it

[misty nova]

[pale spindle]

It's perfect

😭

What about the tinkerer buff? 🤔

[signal spoke]

What if longer timer explosion than krak

[sterile basalt]

Tinkerer doesn’t need changes

[sterile basalt]

Not relevant

[pale spindle]

But I want my 12 stack frags 😈

[hard nexus]

like what

[sterile basalt]

Krak 3 buffs
Enemies hit by krak explosion take x115+% damage for 5s
Massively increase krak’s unyielding damage if it sticks
Reduce krak’s fuse time after sticking to <0.5s

[plush estuary]

Put teleport here

[median steeple]

Horror movie type shit

[signal spoke]

I thought for a moment the pyro glitched and panicked when he pulled the glove LOL

Though you need to respect for not burning you and go for melee

[plush estuary]

just needed a teleport

I'm in their backline

smacking their snipers

[hard nexus]

i

disagree

maybe the first buff

[sterile basalt]

That’s ok

[hard nexus]

but the last buff is kind of moot imo

and massively increasing unyielding damage seems like a strange decision considering you already have 3 of them

[sterile basalt]

U have 2

[hard nexus]

2

but you also have grenade regen perks

and a million damage buffs already

[sterile basalt]

For krak, actually not many

[hard nexus]

how much damage would you want them to do?

10k?

5k?

[sterile basalt]

At least 8k

[hard nexus]

focus target and bring them down is already a lot of increased damage

well

actually isnt BTD on a seperate path

on the left

nvm

[sterile basalt]

BiD is middle

[hard nexus]

oh im thinking of something else then

but

then still

the only change i can think of for kraks would be decreasing damage, and giving you a few more

as a more consistent anti bulwark/crusher weapon

if you have a build thats not good at all into armor

giving you more variety

[median steeple]

you're thinking of superiority complex

[hard nexus]

yeah

[median steeple]

I thinks

[hard nexus]

that

[hard nexus]

methinks

[median steeple]

[sterile basalt]

Ok then keep damage same as current, give vet 2 more kraks at base (4)
Change grenadier to be +2 grenades instead of +1

[hard nexus]

how much does a krak do currently

[sterile basalt]

On a boss?

[hard nexus]

yes

[sterile basalt]

The highest u can do with full dps juice is ~16k

[hard nexus]

default

[sterile basalt]

Default maybe 5k?

Which is rly not that much

[hard nexus]

ill check it rn hold on

im curious to the exact value

[sterile basalt]

Bulwark 1 hit is 4.8k

And bulwark has no explosion damage modifiers

Should be around 4.8k

[sterile basalt]

I’m not sure if it can kill a havoc bulwark who has 7.2k

Maybe it had instakill override

Maybe not

[hard nexus]

i think kraks and tknives should have kill flags

like rock

[hard nexus]

about 4.4k

[sterile basalt]

Ok so it’s very low