zealot-class

[mighty root]

This strain is called the slab

It summons a 2 ton slab

[mental arch]

schedule 1 be like

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-cute-frog-baby-frog-froglet-gif-2124101258619739170

[hexed igloo]

This strain is called So Fucked Up You'll Wish I Killed You you'll get so fucking high

[sterile stone]

Wildin

Ain't no way in any reality Von is in heaven with the amount of people he killed.

[mental arch]

x pretty bad person too

but ya

in vons defense most of them were from 63rd 💔

[red mesa]

ya, i was just having a really good true solo VEG run and got out of memory error crash lmao

fml

is there a way to fix it it screws me every couple play sessions

[mental arch]

cursed bro

do you use that mod that prefetches shit for the mourningstar

disable it if you do

[red mesa]

no

i do have a good bit of mods tho

[mental arch]

is it from system ram or is it lua exceeding 1gb

[copper hawk]

1000 pnt army of just spore mines

[plush estuary]

we talked about that

imagine lore wise the nids just sent spores

to kill all the marines

Doing Space Dudes rn, but I might play TF2

[copper hawk]

Doing sit on my butt b4 work, but I will play boring ass graveyard shift

Zigh.

[plush estuary]

f

[mental arch]

tf2???

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/sandstorm/clips/k9jU8ZH4kiaHWOsyM/spok?invite=cr-MSw5VGQsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[hard nexus]

the music hit at the perfect time too

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/death-total-kane-ena-bbq-deathbbq-gif-16187977532137822402

[winter oxide]

how good is wrath on the relic blade?

[plush estuary]

good for havoc

[winter oxide]

oo

do i swap out cranial grounding for it?

[modern lintel]

i use both

[carmine falcon]

did the event

one of the events of all time

[sterile stone]

Glock in my toyota

Hell of a name

[hard nexus]

either rampage or cranial

it’s up 2 choice

but rampage gets less value due to the amount of carapace

[winter oxide]

which mark are you using?

[hard nexus]

mk2

[winter oxide]

horde clear is light light heavy?

wait

[hard nexus]

heavy into looping heavy light

[winter oxide]

the mk10 has a weird combo

[mighty root]

Mk2 my beloved

[hard nexus]

not really

[winter oxide]

i do the first loop of light light heavy and it breaks after

[hard nexus]

u can just spam lights on it

mk2 i just find more fun

[mighty root]

Mk2 is 10 better preformance for 500% effort

[winter oxide]

whats the horde clear combo on the mk10?

[mighty root]

“Go into horde clear combo without 2 inputs”

[hard nexus]

not really

[mighty root]

Light spam

[hard nexus]

the effort is really simple

heavy into looping lights

[mighty root]

It is

[winter oxide]

what about single target

[hard nexus]

or light light into looping heavies for single target

[mighty root]

Idk how people don’t prefer it

It’s reminds me of dclaw

[hard nexus]

which mk

[winter oxide]

mk 10

[hard nexus]

sprint thrust

[carmine falcon]

me when i have to loop heavies (brain hurt)

[hard nexus]

and heavy spam

[mighty root]

[winter oxide]

sprint thrust?

[mighty root]

This causes people head hurty

[winter oxide]

this is mk10 or mk2

[carmine falcon]

when you sprint, hold attack and you'll start the attack

then release to thrust

it deals great dmg

especially powered up with fotf, u can 1 shot crushers like this

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jq2C0xgpV9vCrZQIK?invite=cr-MSxWWjEsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA\

mk2

boss kill

[winter oxide]

its a sweep attack idk how you one shot with it

[hard nexus]

hold the attack down while sprinting

[carmine falcon]

the sweep is a normal click
Thrust is holding the button

[winter oxide]

ok so it has to be fresh

[hard nexus]

no

just while you’re sprinting

hold down the attack button

like you’re doing a heavy attack

[jagged cradle]

I didn’t realize we were so bad at the video game

[winter oxide]

it shows up every now and then but its not consistent

[hard nexus]

fym

[jagged cradle]

I have no need to elaborate

[winter oxide]

i do overheads while sprinting

[jagged cradle]

It speaks for itself imo tbh

[carmine falcon]

when you're running and the sword is held straight by your character

HOLD attack button

[winter oxide]

oh

so its just heavy spam for single target?

[hard nexus]

ts pmo ong icl cz u dnt evn kw wt ur talin bout nbdy evn gaf u nnr

[plush estuary]

real

[jagged cradle]

I haven’t a single clue wtf you just said

[plush estuary]

thats the point

[hard nexus]

it’s perfectly decipherable

[jagged cradle]

Would you mind doing it for me then

[winter oxide]

ok its heavy heavy light

[hard nexus]

this shit piss me off on god i can’t lie because you don’t even know what you’re talking about, nobody even give a fuck, you

the last one i cannot say

it’s not like

a racial slur

but i cannot say it here

[jagged cradle]

wtf

[rose plume]

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[carmine falcon]

🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[full nebula]

face napkin go hard or naw

[carmine falcon]

peak

who needs eyes

[full nebula]

is this ultimate hobo drip?

can it go deeper?

[grizzled aspen]

Nah, @copper hawk has the peak hobo drip.

[void bison]

the fruit of labor

[copper hawk]

Troo

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-teto-bleh-mleh-pear-gif-17164579112030692323

[copper hawk]

I understood this

Because I understand absolutely spine chilling genre defining bone tingling slow burn terrifying lore clarifying atmosphere oozing a24 released trope subverting dark and eerie gut wrenching aesthetically heavy craft gradual escalation soul shaking dread inducing post horror suspenseful build up a “say more with less” approach blood curdling kino keyed nerve wracking nail biting jaw clenching free of cheap gore brimstone, soot, dust and calcite approved snopes verified reuters verified snoy free coal killing gloop loving fauci approved pro science truth uncovering reddit decimating glowie zapping NAS free wholesome pupperino west rising heavenly holy sharty saving IAS gemerald postz like that

https://tenor.com/view/kasane-teto-teto-kasane-teto-pear-pearto-teto-plush-gif-16412673441351914114

[grizzled aspen]

I think if I actually commit to reading that, I may become a drooling, bumbling fool.

[copper hawk]

U already r a droolin bumbling fool

That post wont have any effect ,,

Hehehhoho..

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, but like, worse.

I could be so much worse.

And that right there is the ticket.

[hard nexus]

me

[hard nexus]

generate me a poem about turtles

[copper hawk]

Generate u playing tf2

Ainz will be my tf2 gamin partner

[hard nexus]

and that ends the AI revolution because that’s impossible

[copper hawk]

I looooove tf2

[hard nexus]

i haaaate tf2

though i loooove tf2

TF|2 is peak…

[void bison]

big robots

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/k7pDmLk0zSBaQecrU/spok?invite=cr-MSxvOEIsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/k7qhwID4Sl50iPUZC/spok?invite=cr-MSxSRVQsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/k8CEIXRp64UN8Rw3e/spok?invite=cr-MSw4V2MsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/k8EeBJKjJHJXRrwsD/spok?invite=cr-MSwwNXQsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[jagged cradle]

How much tf2 have you been playing

[copper hawk]

A few hours every day or every other day

Like 2 or 1 and a half hours

[median steeple]

I love Titanfall 2......

[tranquil owl]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-earth-explosion-world-exploding-gif-25091517

About this much

[misty nova]

Shut

[tranquil owl]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-soldier-smile-smirk-gaming-gif-16547909

[misty nova]

I did complete her side quests on my first playthrough

I think I'm going to just kill her on my second

"I'm not your pet xenos" said the pet xenos

Fuck them elves

All my homies are 4'

[jagged cradle]

Loser….

[copper hawk]

My response

[jagged cradle]

???

[copper hawk]

Yeah.

[formal umbra]

DEMO KNIGHT ENJOYER

[hard nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j4umK6ZaiE

english cover

pawesome sauce

[sullen forge]

@hard nexus

[copper hawk]

Troo..

[hexed igloo]

Twink 🫵

[copper hawk]

Albert the Homunculus has grown..

[jagged cradle]

I thought that was supposed to be impossible

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/lunch-yum-eat-me-chewy-weird-gif-17954302

Is this whole Inner World thing with Elf Lady because I'm a psyker or does every origin can go through that

[pulsar mortar]

Anyone know the best set up for the relic blade?

[magic rose]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-gif-21814242

aw man

[gilded anchor]

I have a question. I have seen people spray down the bolter but when I try to spray down my bolter it only sprays in a burst of 2 shots,why? And how do I spray it down correctly?

[sullen forge]

Dont ADS and hold fire

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-gif-21814242

[candid shuttle]

Hold down the trigger and hip fire away

[hard nexus]

when hipfiring, its full auto, but ADS is semi auto

[magic rose]

I appreciate you

[gilded anchor]

Oh

I was just tapping it fast

Unga bunga style

Thank you @hard nexus @candid shuttle @sullen forge

[candid shuttle]

Shredder in Mortis is so funny

Death dealer and the majoris stagger

I pushed a chaos spawn to the other side of the map without reloading once

[sullen forge]

Recon Lasgun with Stagger just perma stunning bosses on Veteran lmao

[gilded anchor]

What meele do u generally use on veteran?

[candid shuttle]

I use the chainsword

[gilded anchor]

Is it good for auric?

I wanna try new wepons

[sullen forge]

Power Sword, Rashad, Knife, Shovel, Heavy Sword its just incredibly dependent on the gun im using

You build more around your gun than you do your melee

[gilded anchor]

Im a shovel main 🙏😭

[winter oxide]

is the veteran's power sword just a better relic blade

[sullen forge]

Zealot is the opposite type of focus of focus more on melee than gun

[gilded anchor]

True

[sullen forge]

They both have their pros and cons

I'd say they're both about the same level

[winter oxide]

what does the relic blade do better than the power sword?

[sullen forge]

Reach

it hits further

[winter oxide]

oh

[gilded anchor]

Big blade gose burrra

[sullen forge]

That and its on Zealot you can be more aggressive with it

[winter oxide]

i hope zealot gets power sword someday

[pulsar mortar]

Plus it stays active longer, but has cooldown periods between use

[sullen forge]

Power Sword you have to play more in tune with your Dodges and Blocks are you're going to eat shit

[copper hawk]

Id say psword is better

[sullen forge]

Outside of that it kills everything

[median steeple]

Menwho

[copper hawk]

Cuz of vet rlly

Vet is a better melee class

[sullen forge]

RBlade is better I'll be serious

[pulsar mortar]

That might just be overpowered, lol cause of sunder or brutal momentum

[hard nexus]

yeah

im

[gilded anchor]

[hard nexus]

bore

d

[copper hawk]

Better melee talents, better melee talents, etc

[winter oxide]

if we got dueling sword why not power sword

[hard nexus]

snoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorf

[copper hawk]

Oops

Better melee damage*

[median steeple]

Hi bored I'm tired

[copper hawk]

Teehee

[hard nexus]

i think

uhhmm

[copper hawk]

Agile engagement basically being a slightly worse duelist

[gilded anchor]

Sleep in the name of the emperor

[copper hawk]

On top of the bottom of the tree having flat buffs to damage on all weapons against all enemeis

[hard nexus]

they arent really similar though

different proc conditions

and a different type of buff

[pulsar mortar]

I prefer the crit chance with dueling sword, cause dueling sword crits are nasty

[hard nexus]

damage percentage vs crit and weakspot buff

[jagged cradle]

Go watch a soap opera or something isn’t that what old people do

[sullen forge]

Vet is kill based, Zealot tends to be more Dodge based

[copper hawk]

Better stamina regen; w vry little talent investment + 2x stam curio regen = u gain stamina even when sliding

Safer, stronger melee class

[sullen forge]

Okay thats insane

[hard nexus]

ok pookie stam regen is not better on vet

[sullen forge]

The delay can be crippling on Veteran if you dont know how to manage it

thats actual cope

[copper hawk]

Yes it is lol

[hard nexus]

they have to take 2 nodes to equal zealot's

[copper hawk]

This is only possible on vet

[sullen forge]

.5 (Zeal) vs 1 (vet)

[copper hawk]

Due to talents + regen curio interaction

[sullen forge]

thats stam Delay

[copper hawk]

Let me get the post

#zealot-class message

[sullen forge]

Pathing specifically through Duck and Dive and further down the MMF tree, I seriously dont see a point in doing that

outside of only using Knife

[mighty root]

Vet has like the 2nd best toughness node now because of catch a breath

[sullen forge]

Besides when you take those two nodes it puts you on base level of Zealot Stamina Delay

[sullen forge]

Yesn't

[mighty root]

[sullen forge]

its good but its not going to save you from gunner/reaper spam groups

[mighty root]

Huh

Ok real

[copper hawk]

Man

If only our catch a breath wasnt supreme glorpshit

(Ewew)

Wait nop

Oopz that's at arms length

Teehee

[mighty root]

Does it still deactivate if you block an attack?

[copper hawk]

4got my busted talentz 4 a sec ,,

[copper hawk]

But the goal is the same

[sullen forge]

yup

lmao

[copper hawk]

It's generally better damage for doing nothing

[mighty root]

[sullen forge]

same with Killzone

its why its not like an end all be all good talent

[copper hawk]

One procs on dodge and benefits some weapons a lot, most weapons not nearly as much

[sullen forge]

its solid but it goes down if you block an attack

[copper hawk]

You kill ONE enemy and you get a flat 25% damage PLUS all your other bonuses

Be it from talents or blessings

[mighty root]

Ok now we should buff psyker again

[copper hawk]

Which are ALSO flat damage buffs as well to eithe rweapon

[hard nexus]

agile engagement is getting a kill with a ranged grants melee damage and vice versa

duelist is on dodge crit and weakspot damage

[copper hawk]

I just said that

[sullen forge]

AE is insane just- its very much a Drown or Drought situation

[hard nexus]

i agree that vet has better consistent melee that zealot

but stam regen is not it

[copper hawk]

One is just generally better in nearly all situations with better opportunities for maximizing damage

[sullen forge]

especially when you get put in a match with fucking Psyker/Ogryn groups

[hard nexus]

and agile engagement is very strong, but its not the same as duelist

[copper hawk]

Sliding and regening stamina is only possible on vet so

[median steeple]

Not enough ogryn hate in chat💔

[hard nexus]

true

i fucking hate ogryn

[mighty root]

I’d like to have reciprocity give 20 crit instead of having to stack it

[hard nexus]

talking about zealot and vet is comparing 2 piles of dogshit in comparison to psyker and ogryn rn

[sullen forge]

Idk why we're hating on Vet when Zealot and Veteran are shockingly power crept by the two other classes lmao

reminder

[copper hawk]

Im sayin 1 is generally better than the other, not that theyre the same

Them being different is whatever

[sullen forge]

Ogryn can M1 gameplay and never die

[hard nexus]

thats what i said !!!

[mighty root]

Another buff to psyker

[sullen forge]

CS Kinfe real

[hard nexus]

b-b-but ogryn so big and no dodge linger !

[sullen forge]

press m1 to win

[hard nexus]

the lil uns need us to be strong so we can protect em !

[median steeple]

Hage

Hate

Rage

[hard nexus]

ogryn larpers

anger.

[median steeple]

Kill !

[sullen forge]

as they leave me to get fucking destroyed by

the 19 ragers

that suddenly manifested out of thin air

[mighty root]

I loved the ogryn rework now I’m not liking the players who crutch on him

[hard nexus]

i like how zealot, the melee class, is the only class that gets completely and utterly fucked by the shield enemies

unless you have crusher or shock maul

[sullen forge]

B-b-but

Chorus!

[hard nexus]

every other class has a PLETHORA

OF OPTIONS

zealot has chorus and crusher

[magic rose]

shield enemies make me sad

[mighty root]

I jus run around it wif knife

[sullen forge]

You guys just need a tree rehaul desperately im ngl

[magic rose]

as a strictly zealot only player

i'm lowkey ssad out here

[sullen forge]

its depressing

[hard nexus]

vet can frag, krak, VoC, exec bolter,

[magic rose]

tears down my eyes n shi

[hard nexus]

psyker has literally everything

[winter oxide]

i just let my teammates deal with it

[median steeple]

Vipers from XCOM.....

[hard nexus]

ogryn can do literally anything

[sullen forge]

Psyker can just fucking exist

[hard nexus]

and zealot can do what?

[sullen forge]

we'll leave it at that

lmao

[hard nexus]

wait for them to attack??

[ornate bone]

Heavy Evis- running shred and rampage with Maniac and flak. It’s served me wel, but wondering if anyone has some other neat combos to try? Especially vs heavies/caparpaxe

[magic rose]

zealot can do their best 😊

[sullen forge]

Wait for attack... uhhhhhh Crusher...... uhhh Thammer.... uhhhhh ermmm

[hard nexus]

shred perfect strike flak elites

[sullen forge]

maybe immo grenade

maybe

and maybe Chorus

[hard nexus]

run with blazing piety build

[median steeple]

Always run immo nades

They're peak

[hard nexus]

as they keep getting interurrupted by gunners and shotgunners

or they just do their shield bash and break ur block

[sullen forge]

Fun Fact!

[ornate bone]

Sounds good to me! I’m gonna give it a shot

[hard nexus]

id rather kill myself but thanks though

[sullen forge]

If they get Friendly Fired at

they can use that in the code

[hard nexus]

its the best way to run mk3 evis

[sullen forge]

as a registery for a retaliation bash

so if a gunner is laying into them

they can stun lock you into a corner

very fun

[median steeple]

I will force you to use immo nades one day

[mighty root]

[sullen forge]

(this happened to me once)

[median steeple]

You can't escape me

[ornate bone]

Thanks for the response. You recommended the chain axe set up the other day and it worked wonders. I’m excited to see how this goes!’

[hard nexus]

if ur talking about mk15, you can try bloodthirsty rampage flak carapace, it allows you to infinitely chain one shot crushers and maulers

[hard nexus]

im like

so awesome

everyone else's opinions are MOOT

in comparison to me

and my humbleness

[mighty root]

[hard nexus]

fyre u stink

[ornate bone]

It must be hard, feeling the weight and pressure of greatness on your shoulders daily.

[hard nexus]

yeah

i dont get enough appreciation in here,,,

[sullen forge]

@hard nexus Shit on topic in regards to Stam Delay you know whats funny

[hard nexus]

uh oh

[sullen forge]

Ogryn shares the same Delay

as vet right

[mighty root]

That’s so mean

[sullen forge]

1 second

[hard nexus]

i though ogryn is 1.25

[sullen forge]

The Humble talent named Slam:

[mighty root]

Mean as frick…

[hard nexus]

oh

no

its 1s

nvm

[sullen forge]

Yes its 1s

thats what Vet and Ogryn have in common

[hard nexus]

abysmal dogshit

[sullen forge]

But Ogryn unironically can make that mute just by picking up Slam

[hard nexus]

yeah

[sullen forge]

shit is incredibly stupid

[hard nexus]

moot

[mighty root]

Idk why they unironically gave him inf stam

It’s so broken

[sullen forge]

I dont mind the idea

I just

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iE9WgDUtBK69iLof4?invite=cr-MSxjcTUsMjA0ODY2MDQ3

[sullen forge]

ughhhh

[hard nexus]

this is mk15 evis with bloodthirsty

[sullen forge]

Increase the Cooldown

to like 2-3 seconds

[copper hawk]

The post goes into why outside of a vacuum AE works better than D anywayz

Srry Unemployteriat i am BSY

[hard nexus]

gut ogryn !

please !

gut ogryn and gut psyker !

balance the game around auric damnation !

[sullen forge]

Ogryn does need nerfs

severely

[hard nexus]

and fix auric damnation spawns !

[sullen forge]

but its never happening

[mighty root]

rumbler is the new smite

[sullen forge]

Gale Pessimism arc

[sullen forge]

Dont get me fucking started

[mighty root]

Nothing ever happens

[copper hawk]

I am full pessimist

Right meow

[mighty root]

Fuck our stupid chud existence

[sullen forge]

Cool keystone right

I fucking despise

how it makes the rumbler literally

[copper hawk]

Zeal no rework and if it is it'll be w too much overlap w ogryn w no unique identity

[sullen forge]

Smite 2.0

get melee kill

shoot ground

turn game off

repeat

[hard nexus]

in an h40 the other day, people were talking about in chat so many weapons needing buffs, and i said that no they dont, a few weapons need buffs, and a lot of weapons need nerfs, and i said that the game shouldnt be balanced around havoc but rather around auric damnation

they said that "well why would you do that, when damnation is already super easy?"

DAMNATION IS EASY BECAUSE THE FUCKING POWERCREEP??? CRITICAL THINKING PLEASE?!?!??!?!?

[mighty root]

You love smite

[copper hawk]

It'll be the weakest rework of them all

[mighty root]

Smite helps the team

I’m a support!

[copper hawk]

PTers have insisted that zealot is the strongest most broken class

[mighty root]

I’m helping!

[copper hawk]

Idk where this insanity comes from

[sullen forge]

I guess the game is balanced around Havoc now and I simply just

do not enjoy Havoc

so fml

[copper hawk]

Take Zealot Out Back And Kneecap Him

[hard nexus]

im pessimistic in the other way

zealot gets reworked, made super OP, everyone complains only about zealot but not psyker or ogryn

zealot gets either nerfed or everyone else gets buffed

again

and then we get havoc 80

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[sullen forge]

The only thing that I can confidentally say that is Stupid

on Zealot

is Undying?

[hard nexus]

until death

[sullen forge]

whatever the Get out of Jail talent

[hard nexus]

and holy revenant

[sullen forge]

that yeah

[hard nexus]

i think its a fine talent

honestly

[sullen forge]

Holy rev isn't that terrible but it isn't great either

[copper hawk]

It should be a passive

Period

[mighty root]

Bake it into zealot

[sullen forge]

Until Death though is incredibly fucking stupid

[hard nexus]

nah

[copper hawk]

Yah

[sullen forge]

thats the only talent I go

yeah no thats fucking stupid

in regards to Zealot

[hard nexus]

only thing zealot should get passive is second wind thats 5% on dodge

and then a node that increases it another 5%

[copper hawk]

Ogryn gets to knock down any chaff enemy they dodge into nullifying almost nearly all chaff threats in a horde

[sullen forge]

Can they just

[mighty root]

What talent would they bake into zealot?

[copper hawk]

With weapons with 4 dodges or more

[sullen forge]

Okay hear me out if Ogryn gets this BS

[copper hawk]

Some with 5

[sullen forge]

Can Zealot get a passive low % of toughness back on dodge

[hard nexus]

its 1 chaff

[sullen forge]

and Veteran have Determined literally just be a base passive

[hard nexus]

thats WHAT I JUST SUGGESTED !!

[copper hawk]

It staggers them if u bump into them in a dodge

[sullen forge]

^ I WAS INCLUDING THIS LOSER

[copper hawk]

U and meow have same reading comprehension ,,

Zigh ,,

Tiktok rotted ur brainz ,,

[sullen forge]

Make the gun class use gun better...

[hard nexus]

absolutely

[sullen forge]

Aka remove extremely niche talent choice and just make it fucking passive on Vet

[hard nexus]

suppression as a whole i dont really like

tbh

[copper hawk]

I think it's fine

[ornate bone]

Looks convincing. Just about to try it out in the meat grinder

[hard nexus]

every one of our characters should really be suppression resistant in one way or another

[copper hawk]

You should be punished for being shot at if ur in the open

And it stops players from shooting and never meleeing

[sullen forge]

Look the Mantling over cover with your gun is stupid

it serves 0 purpose

[mighty root]

The only acceptable psyker is melee psyker

[sullen forge]

I've used it and it straight up gives nothing of value

its cool

[copper hawk]

Think vet should just be immune to it period

[mighty root]

Cuz he’s cool

[copper hawk]

As a passive

[sullen forge]

just holy stupid

[copper hawk]

Tee bee aych

[hard nexus]

a zealot is just that, zealous, they dont care
a vet is experienced and used to being shot at
a psyker is insane, busy with the daemons, etc
an ogryn is just big and stupid

[copper hawk]

Suppression is also a tabletop mechanic

I like tt mechanics in 40k gamez..

[hard nexus]

idk i just dont like how bad it is especially with how inconsisteny suppression on enemies can be

[sullen forge]

Imo it just makes sense Determined should be a passive on Veteran cause- its in the class name

they're veterans

they've been shot at countless times

[copper hawk]

Datz

What

[hard nexus]

i think id be bitching less if enemies were more consistently suppressable

[copper hawk]

I

Just

ZAID !!!!

[sullen forge]

Keep spamming so Hadron yells at you

[ivory marlin]

I love mvm

[mighty root]

You’d expect them to have amazing stamina too

[copper hawk]

KYAAAAAA !!!!!!

[hard nexus]

they really let themselves go in that prison ship

[sullen forge]

Thats not really an issue, I think the summary is they carry a lot of their gear

[copper hawk]

Yeah

[sullen forge]

I've gotten used to the delay

[hard nexus]

tbf ammo does that already

but i get what you mean

[sullen forge]

its not terrible but you can really feel it if you go from like

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-orange-gif-19308033

[sullen forge]

Zealot or Psyker

[copper hawk]

Rember

[sullen forge]

to Vet

[copper hawk]

Regen on slide only possibe w vet ,,

[ornate bone]

@hard nexus Ok, it fucking slaps. Way harder than chain axe

[hard nexus]

which one

bloodthirsty?

or perfect strike

[ornate bone]

MK 15 with bloodthirst and rampage

[hard nexus]

ah

yeah

its fun

[sullen forge]

The wacky thing is like, probably 10% of vets actually take Duck and Dive

thats the funny part

[ornate bone]

It’s a flexible build.

[hard nexus]

it can get a little boring imo, but its def fun

[mighty root]

I remember when I was coping using the dclaw on vet against a crusher pack

[sullen forge]

you with path left side of right tree

and you will like it

[ornate bone]

Can handle hordes, specials, etc.

I’ll try mk 3 bios now.

[hard nexus]

you can run martyrdom with IoD for a shit ton of damage

or you can go IJ

[mighty root]

I hope they buff the chain weapon’s when the rework zealot

[hard nexus]

same !

[sullen forge]

Anyways on topic again of Ogryn being Ogryn

I will never understand why this managed to get through LMAO

Exist and get buffed

Massively mind you on top of already heavy DR talents

Ogryn truly is

the hand holding class

[ornate bone]

I have a similar build I use for that. I think with the chain axe tbh

[mighty root]

Dey should put that on vet

[sullen forge]

No

I want the class to be actually be balanced hence I voice for VOC nerfs

But my god does the Tax on the tree drive me up a fucking wall

[ornate bone]

Do yo really need to stack tons of wounds for martyrdom though?
Or does it get to point of diminishing returns

[mighty root]

I think voc is fine

[hard nexus]

i run 3x wound curios with it

u get a lot of TDR so

it works out

[mighty root]

It could give 100 toughness like that one time lol

[ornate bone]

True for sure

[sullen forge]

Golden toughness shouldn't exist

that and added the fact its THE HARDEST Stagger in the game

If we're gonna keep the stagger at least remove golden and make it fucking just DR% for the team instead so if you play like an idiot you promptly take HP damage

I'd prefer TDR

but we all know what happened last lets see

2 times

Vet got a decent sized nerf

Ahem Power Sword. Survivalist

[mighty root]

Hated the survivalist nerf but I can see why it was needed

The 13 walking ammo packs when I throw 2 shredders and get my ammo full

[winter oxide]

so zealot is the worst class

[mighty root]

Nope

Zealots really good

[winter oxide]

which is the worst?

[mighty root]

Probably still the best class for solo

None they are all good

[sullen forge]

Imo its a toss up between Zealot and Veteran at the current moment depending on how you play

[winter oxide]

i dont mean bad

[sullen forge]

but I can confidentally say

[tame sluice]

voidblast spam

[sullen forge]

Psyker and Ogryn

fucking make both of them feel obsolete

[winter oxide]

are they really that strong?

[sullen forge]

Psyker can map nuke

and Ogryn literally has builds

where you can M1

[tame sluice]

Psyker and Ogryn are def strong, but I dno about psyker being better than zealot

[winter oxide]

tbh i dont really know what the other classes do

[sullen forge]

without dodging or blocking

and never take damage

lmao

[tame sluice]

Zealot with The build™️ is pretty broken

they just have zero build variety

[sullen forge]

Ogryn really is that busted

[tame sluice]

Veteran is def worse

[winter oxide]

i just see ogryns with a lot of lifesteal and psykers with bubble or the electricity

[mighty root]

I mean you do have inferno venting

[sullen forge]

Veteran is a bit more flexible if you actually play Estance but it technically has a "The Build" by always pathing through VOC

[tame sluice]

exe stance isn't really viable

[sullen forge]

like you'll see 90% VOC users

[tame sluice]

not that I haven't ben trying

[sullen forge]

I've out damaged Psykers with a MMF Vigil on Estance

its viable its just absymal vs VOC

[tame sluice]

In Havoc?

[sullen forge]

Fuck no Vigil is dogshit in havoc

[mighty root]

Tbh the only stuff I play on psyker is melee or inferno

[tame sluice]

yeah outside of havoc basically everything works

[sullen forge]

Estance does work in Havoc with Bolter also cause oh geez idk

thats the actual meta set up for Estance

[mighty root]

I thought it was plasma

[sullen forge]

Bolter Exec is better

[mighty root]

I see

[tame sluice]

I dunno where you'd get the ammo to support that

[sullen forge]

Plasma VOC

[mighty root]

Survivalist

[tame sluice]

survivalist is not going to sustain a bolter

at all

[sullen forge]

Survivalist, And your team is actively letting you grab ammo cause you're literally the Veteran

[mighty root]

I mean really vets the only one picking up ammo in havoc

[sullen forge]

also it is you just play melee for a tinsy bit

staring at you power sword

[mighty root]

If you’re team isn’t leaving ammo for vet don’t play with that team again

[sullen forge]

Flamer Zealot would have top Priority if it was Old havoc but with how Tolls and Rampage now effects new Havoc its not very smart

[mighty root]

On vet I’m too brain rotted to use something other than voc weapon specialist

[ornate bone]

Mk iii is good and it’s just in the grinder with no health off. I’m gonna give it a damnation run and see how it goes

[winter oxide]

what is the veteran's role in a team?

[plush estuary]

kill

[sullen forge]

Kill priority targets

[mighty root]

@sullen forge how is the revolver in havoc?

[ornate bone]

Ranged support, killing gunners and specials.

[sullen forge]

Its very much a class thats Drown or Drought though cause a lot of its conditions are kill based

[sullen forge]

dogshit

[mighty root]

Damm

[sullen forge]

same with Vraks IAG

[mighty root]

I thought so

[sullen forge]

Bolter and Plasma are good picks for Havoc

[winter oxide]

sometimes i have 2 veterans in my team but nobody is really killing disablers or elites

[sullen forge]

Then they're not playing Veteran right

[winter oxide]

so im forced to kill them myself with my pistol

[sullen forge]

that or they're getting swarmed by a horde

[winter oxide]

so i just take all the ammo

[mighty root]

Back to my stupid plasma power sword life

[sullen forge]

You will use it and you will be happy

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-meme-steam-tg-bratishkin-gif-274347585508037432

Can’t even use Rashad

Because of rampaging

[sullen forge]

Hitmass increase on Havoc got us all fucked up

unless you're ogryn

you just slam + stagger through everything or cleave

[mighty root]

Tbh I take the club into havoc

[winter oxide]

are veterans supposed to magdump into hordes?

[mighty root]

Taunt club

[sullen forge]

No

fuck no

[mighty root]

No

[sullen forge]

you save your ammo for Specials and Elites

[mighty root]

That’s a meme

[winter oxide]

i see some people do that

[mighty root]

Recon vets are brain dead

[winter oxide]

this is in havoc too

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-and-danger-silly-danger-this-is-a-silly-gif-967595808447409988

[winter oxide]

i should try the recon lasgun

dmg looks absurd

[mighty root]

Go in chat and tell the that there’s a reason that your melee is your primary weapon

[sullen forge]

People use recon in havoc cause of its ammo economy

That’s kinda the sole reason why

DPS and extremely high ammo pool

[mighty root]

The only true ranged class is psyker

[winter oxide]

is it better than the heavy laspistol?

i like it a lot and its fast to pull out

[winter oxide]

dont really like typing that much

[analog ember]

recon las is much more sprayable

but you still need to use your melee

unless you plan on trolling your team

[hexed igloo]

Darktide players

[sullen forge]

Psyker is true ranged for the sole purpose staves have a “Theoretical” (literally) infinite ammo cause it’s based on a peril gauge you have to manage that is it

[plush estuary]

@copper hawk solo is fun on nid maps

[sullen forge]

Ainz being the bum marines 🚬

Smh…

[copper hawk]

Troo..

Solo is fun on work mapz..

I HATE MY JOB !!!!!!!

[plush estuary]

I see

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1364364586744156191/lalalala.gif

[copper hawk]

IM SO CLOSE !!!!!!!

[jagged cradle]

Can you pull him from gacha

[copper hawk]

Yah i think

[jagged cradle]

Brb

[plush estuary]

wire spending money

[delicate shadow]

I personally prefer hoarding money and sleeping on it like a dragon

[plush estuary]

I heard that if you don't spend money you have more money

[tame sluice]

enabling gambling addictions is unhealthy

[jagged cradle]

I didn’t get him

[delicate shadow]

yeah like why spend money on gambling, when you could just keep it in your mattress and get back problems

[jagged cradle]

I don’t spend money I just have some pulls stored and I’m a lucky person

[copper hawk]

JD Vance nurgling

He looks like a ban ban character

[jagged cradle]

Ban ban?

[plush estuary]

garten

[jagged cradle]

Still not clicking

[delicate shadow]

this is what the youth are up to these days

[delicate shadow]

what on god's green earth

[plush estuary]

it has a cursed history

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/garten-of-banban-avengers-peak-gif-27680975

[jagged cradle]

wtf

[plush estuary]

yes

[delicate shadow]

hold up is this like, a poppy playtime clone, which itself is pretty much shovelware

[plush estuary]

basically

[delicate shadow]

incredible

[plush estuary]

and much less of a budget

[delicate shadow]

FNAF, Slenderman and their consequences

[jagged cradle]

Do I wanna look up gameplay?

[plush estuary]

no

not worth

[jagged cradle]

I’ll take your word then

[plush estuary]

solo Absolute

[jagged cradle]

Oh right I need to finish leveling vanguard

[jagged cradle]

Nice btw

[hybrid jewel]

Do it only if you like a specific Youtuber and even then, you will suffer the devs padding out a game where it's too padded with time wasters in order to prevent ppl from speedrunning and refunding it.

The first game is short, but the rest get increasingly padded to push for over 2 hours of time wasting.

I only watched it cos ManlyBadassHero bothered to play it tbh.

[jagged cradle]

That’s not entirely surprising people would just steam refund it afterwards if it wasn’t

[hybrid jewel]

If it were actually good, most won't refund. They went for overpriced trash slop.

Every episode is like USD$10 I think.

When they feel like free games on Itch.io.

Heck, you can find free games that are better there.

Or pay as you wish games with $0 min.

[jagged cradle]

Slop genre slop game not really a whole lot of expectations

[twin wagon]

BAR is free

[plush estuary]

captain knockback is still bugged

just 1 shots me

[copper hawk]

Huh

How does this happen ???

Does this happen w Havoc twins ??

[vast basin]

the knockback move can essentially insta down you under certain conditions. I thougt it usually happened if you are in the air when he does it, not sure why it happened there

[plush estuary]

Something with Captain knockback

1 shots anyone sometimes

Even in havoc

[copper hawk]

That's kind of game breaking ?

[plush estuary]

Yes

[vast basin]

yep

[copper hawk]

Especially w twins guaranteed in high havoc

Very cool fatshark

[copper hawk]

Yrs

Buig

[plush estuary]

Buig

[copper hawk]

Stompa duh buig

[plush estuary]

Sorry, currently have my left arm captured by car

Can't type well

Cat

[copper hawk]

Srry that's my meownion i sicd on u

[plush estuary]

Damn

[copper hawk]

Did u see this albert

[twin wagon]

[plush estuary]

Yes

Boll

[copper hawk]

Dandelion

[grizzled aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-tussiniiduk32-gif-27701794

[jagged cradle]

Isn’t this kinda game breaking

[plush estuary]

Yes

[jagged cradle]

How cool

Fun and epic

[rocky marsh]

i don't know how quell cancelling can lead to carpal tunnel.
On another note, games like starcraft, fortnite and some fighting games require quick and repetitive hand motions.
Maybe you could try some other games as well.

it was something mechanical to do, and if you messed it up it was equivalent of not doing anything.
And now because of changes quell slide is very easy to do

[formal umbra]

event done i go to SLEEP

[copper hawk]

it was something mechanical to do, and if you messed it up it was equivalent of not doing anything.

[hard nexus]

kid named macro

[hard nexus]

LMAO

[rocky marsh]

thats true, i don't use it so i didn't think of that.
They could introduce some very slight delay so its not macroable though.

Eh i can't believe you lmaoed at that.

Also jum and ice left the server.
I assume they weren't banned, very sad.

[hard nexus]

if it could be done by hand

it would be macroable

also lmaod at what

[twin wagon]

[rocky marsh]

it would be but there would be a limit.
what cicatrices typed.

Also, just because it can be macro-ed doesn't mean there is no skill expression.

[hard nexus]

skill expression? it was just pressing LMB and RMB very quickly

also cica was funny

[median steeple]

Is the event interesting at all

[hard nexus]

because what you said was,,

bad

[formal umbra]

No but if you like the Auspex insignia it's worth it

I know I do

I guess the tiny bits of lore are nice but I'm sure those are already uploaded, I couldn't hear them over all the shooting while I did the minigame

[median steeple]

Ooohhggg

I'll try it out soon

Need something to do

[formal umbra]

Yeah gave me an excuse to play again

Fun game

[rocky marsh]

if you messed up the order there would be no point in doing it,
plus, i was doing it mainly for the held attack, not the quick one.
And again, because of changes you now can quell slide easily.

Yeah I just don't agree with repeating something someone finds bad as funny.

[formal umbra]

Not playing havoc was nice for my blood pressure too

[hard nexus]

"quell slide easily"

what?

its always been easy ?

[median steeple]

I haven't played hav since I mindlessly grinded out my 50 games after getting H40

[rocky marsh]

now its even more braindead

[median steeple]

Deranke to 30 iirc

[formal umbra]

I still need to clear 40 but I'm taking a break

[rocky marsh]

Also, if you could, reply to all points instead of just the one i assume you found "weak"
would be more interesting of a discussion.

[copper hawk]

Just play ogryn

Ez clear

[formal umbra]

Yeah

That's what I've been doing to climb

He's busted as fuck

Fun tho

[copper hawk]

I think the issue was that the skill required isn't relative to the oppressive amount of damage done when doing it

In other words, very little player investment to double the amount of effective damage dealt

[hard nexus]

they were all weak

the skill wasnt much

it was just clicking

[copper hawk]

Generally in games with exploits or unintended mechanics, exploits that might increase effectiveness be situational, or take significant amounts of skill to pull off at perhaps a lot of person risk

[hard nexus]

quell sliding is something intended

quell cancelling was not

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-fear-and-hunger-fear-and-gif-13528442688038158358

[median steeple]

it raining.....

[copper hawk]

Or a slight increase situationally with a relatively easy barrier for entry in terms of player skill

Something like tknife cancelling draw animations comes at the cost of a knife and doesnt necessarily increase player efficacy in very broad cases; it maybe saves a second and a half before you may fire

Or sprinting to cancel animations when reloading which without proper timing can significantly reduce the speed at which you would've reloaded where youd be better off otherwise reloading normally

For maybe a second and a half, or two second, speed up in reload, or maybe not any benefit at all

[rocky marsh]

im replying in the context that on void i only used the charged attacks:
If i messed up the quell cancel, either it would be punishing because i spent more time (compared to if i just didn't quell cancel at all)
or because now my peril gauge is affected.

maybe they could have just disable it for the fast/light attacks

[copper hawk]

Quell sliding requires you to move and reposition which leaves you totally vulnerable while sliding, beyond it also being intended

While sliding melee attacks you may have dodged will now hit you, por ejemplo

[rocky marsh]

wait did you change your pfp here?

For a sec i thought it was another person with the same name

[hard nexus]

same person

ur discord is just slow

press CTRL + R

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-trader-profit-factor-gif-24031910

[copper hawk]

I think the issue still stands - if you mess it up, your punishment is perhaps edging too close with peril or just normally attacking, essentially no risk (think of the reload cancel borking your whole reload if you mistime it), but the biggest issue is the damage with which a Psyker could achieve with the staff if they pulled it off being tremendous for very little investment on weapons that already deal a lot of damage

This issue is twofold

Issue one: it makes the game boring and less enjoyable for your teammates - you kill everything/stagger everything and deal damage at a hellish level very quickly at very little risk, or no risk if you macro, which is more harmful to the experience of others than it should be (especially compared to other exploits like reload or draw canceling which does not affect other players like quell canceling does, not to mention there exists no macro to perform these actions)

Issue two is more speculative, but is built off issue one: it puts Psykers in a position where if they do not know how to quell cancel that perhaps they are bad players; a quell canceling psyker is objectively better than one who isn't, which can divide the playerbase and lead to toxicity. It also makes Psyker reliant on an exploit to perform maximally too heavily, instead of the core of the damage being derived from the general skill of the player at fundamental game skills (dodging, game sense, quell management, target priority, etc)

[rocky marsh]

i don't really think this is a good example in your argument tbh.
You quell slide either when you already need to or can slide, so its an added benefit
or
you need to move / dodge while quelling.
Which is another benefit.

though I do like quell sliding yeah.

Orite lemme go on to reply your two issues

do you want to reply to that first or do you want me to reply to your two issues first

[copper hawk]

You can't slide all the time, or you will be hit. It also takes more time to slide than to press two buttons back and forth. You and I have both played this game long enough and have played Psyker enough to know this is true. The degree with which they increase attack uptime is almost not comparable due to massive disparities.

Quell sliding is the middle ground. It should be kept. It punishes Psykers if they spam it and reduces their damage (due to not firing during the time they're Quelling). They need to manage the time with which they attack and when it is appropriate to slide. They need to disengage to safely perform this, or skillfully weave it into a combat loop.

Quell canceling witb LMB + RMB does not require the same level of planning, time management, game sense, or general player skill in comparison. You press two buttons whenever you want and do not need to worry much at all to positioning relative to the exploit. This is to say that while you perform the exploit you are at no greater risk than as you already are standing in Tertium as a Psyker. The risk is the same, whereas with sliding the risk is increased.

[placid fiber]

[copper hawk]

The real issue is the overwhelming amount of damage or CC, in most cases both, a Psyker can achieve with very little time investment. It's boring for the rest of the team to watch a quell cancelling Psyker launch blue bowling balls in a torrent into an enemy line one after another and have them all drop dead before even Zealots can make it into the fray.

This is where I agree w Roundfish's decision to remove it. It's too strong on an already incredibly strong class.

[placid fiber]

I've never seen a proper quell canceler, but, I've heard enough people complain about it

[copper hawk]

The latter point is irrelevant however; strength or weakness of a class shouldn't dictate whether or not an exploit as oppressive as this one should remain present in the game.

[placid fiber]

that or I wasn't paying enough attention

[copper hawk]

If you could, idk, gas tank cancel as a flamer Zealot so you'd have 100% uptime, double the damage, and at very little risk paired with a lack of individual player skill expression necessary to pull it off even half-assedly then I'd be just as concerned.

I digress, however - datz all i haz 2 rlly zay about dat

[placid fiber]

gas tank cancel sounds funny, but, I do agree with that

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/mindwave-starlight-holohammer-head-bop-gif-16959428137437548875

[delicate shadow]

Fatshark typically doesn't like when there's an unintended mechanic that allows someone to skyrocket their dps well beyond the intended values for a certain attack/action

[copper hawk]

This is a solo game w optional coop elementz after all

[delicate shadow]

which is understandable considering it throws the balance off (this is putting aside balancing issues that are a result of FS decisions ofc)

[copper hawk]

Generally generally speaking, I think, for the most part, devs benefit from most in game exploits

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-the-protagonist-jack-donaghy-30rock-alec-baldwin-i-am-the-main-lead-gif-21568049

[copper hawk]

Like rocket jumping in tf2

Trimping etc

[delicate shadow]

bullet jumping in warframe

[copper hawk]

Unintended but they have lots of risk associated w them, take tons of skill to even become slightly competitive with, and they look sick

And tons of other things build off them

[delicate shadow]

end of the day it's case by case basis

[copper hawk]

This is like an example of a perfect exploit

[copper hawk]

Byeah

[placid fiber]

Yeah, practically doubling your effective dps or something stupid like that breaks balance wide open like an egg on the sidewalk

[copper hawk]

All it rlly boils down to

[placid fiber]

ba dum dum tsss

[copper hawk]

Wao

I def intended that pun ,, heh ,, i zo clevar ,,

[placid fiber]

There's a difference between an exploit that makes the game more fun and an exploit that breaks game balance

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/k7qhwID4Sl50iPUZC/spok?invite=cr-MSxPemssMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/k301YAEZWjxHcdV7r/spok?invite=cr-MSxCUXQsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

If quell cancelin looked like dis then it wouldve survived ,,

Heh ,,

[placid fiber]

that looks entertaining at least, unlike watching a psyker rapid fire balls like a goddamn turret

[delicate shadow]

the other problem is quell cancel rapid fire stuff pretty much requires a macro

so it's an exploit that your accessing via third party software

[placid fiber]

I've never been into the whole macro thing, in any game...

[copper hawk]

Ffxiv needs them

[rocky marsh]

OK some things that i want to say upfront snce i think it would make more sense:

1. just want to reiterate im using QC for heavy void attacks
2. qc is about what less than half a second shaven off each fully charged void
3. having qc "alive" means i need to make a decision whether if i want to quell or qc

As for quell sliding,, i was talking about it independently.
There are no real drawbacks to using it.
Im going to quote myself
You quell slide either when you already need to or can slide, so its an added benefit

need to
e.g. sliding back from say a crusher OH or some boss, without quell slide there would be no real thing to do here. assuming you are at edge.

can slide
e.g. running to next objective

you need to move / dodge while quelling.
i.e. 3 gunners are shooting at you at edge, now you get to dodge fire (into cover) while quelling.

As for the two issues
First issue i think i will refer to point 2 up at that reply. But i foresee its going to be an arguement of how much theoretically more DPS you could get. Which is going to be super subjective if its OP etc.
I personally feel its not that much
As for draw cancelling, if you didn't draw cancel you could have died in certain scenarios esp with boltor or flamer.
And i feel like you shouldn't ban something mechanical just because it would be macroable.
Fighting games would not have any combos then. (which was what i said or implied earlier)

Issue two is extremely speculative.
having knowledge vs having no knwoledge would obviously make one a better player.
Having knowledge of quell slide for example.
Saying that that would lead to playerbase toxicity is speculative indeed.

[copper hawk]

Games like that

Swtor

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-brick-panel-gif-17806248

The wall that suddenly appears

[rocky marsh]

tbf the center has like three lines
And i was waiting for him to reply finish

Im more of wanting to hear what other people think and how they would respond to what i say rather than just trying to make my point seem to be the correct one

but i think you already know that darkpill

[placid fiber]

I am busy reading what you posted, but, this is not subjective if it passes the normal capacity the weapon should do for its dps

[rocky marsh]

i said if its subjective if its "OP"
if it passes the normal capacity by some negligibly small amount it won't matter right
(not saying its small amount, im saying thats why i used "OP")

[placid fiber]

turret psyker:

^ which is one of the main problems, imo, of quell canceling

aside from being able to constantly dps when you normally couldn't

[rocky marsh]

what do you mean exactly

also now im curious what cicatrices would reply honestly

[placid fiber]

omega fast l1 staff spam

which macro + quell cancel allows

[rocky marsh]

one of the things even before the wall of text, i said was that they could just remove QC for l1

[placid fiber]

iirc anyway

[rocky marsh]

while keeping qc for heavy attacks

[placid fiber]

Do you know how hard that would be to code?

I don't, but, it sounds stupid hard

[rocky marsh]

im assuming attacks/actions already check prior state, so not that hard.
Seems some stuff can be buffered while some not, and how melee combos work.

[placid fiber]

I don't think it is that simple, but, I could be wrong

I don't know fatshark code, I just know there's jank to it

[rocky marsh]

have you ever coded?

[placid fiber]

Have you?

[rocky marsh]

yeah.

[placid fiber]

I haven't

Have you coded fatshark's games? Cause I think not all coding is the same

[rocky marsh]

this is very personal and tbh kind of biased, it feels to me those that haven't code always defend game devs about how something would be very hard to code.

[placid fiber]

I don't know how hard it would be to code

All I am saying is it sounds hard to code to me

that I don't think it would be easy, in my opinion

[rocky marsh]

nope, but the structure would be quite confidently correct or very similar.

[placid fiber]

but quell canceling allows the ability to constantly use an attack that isn't intended to be spammed that hard that often

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[placid fiber]

Me ^

[twin wagon]

macros are bad even in ff14

it's cheating you out of mechanical skill and never truly required

Ik it's an INGAME feature, but it will never feel right even for extreme/ballad content

[rocky marsh]

yeah this goes back to the OP thing

[placid fiber]

It's not even if it is op, it is more that it isn't intended(hence why I think they removed it)

[rocky marsh]

Oh yeah cica, i do want to say as well, i do agree psyker is busted

[twin wagon]

nerf ogryn

[rocky marsh]

though, i would hate on vet more, seems like they got all the love without any effort

[hard nexus]

you're acting like quell sliding is something that is a consistent make or break? its really not, its nice, but you could easily go a match without doing it and have minimal effect, while compared to quell cancelling absolutely breaking the game. If you want quell canceling on voidstrike heavy attacks, it exists on light attacks, as thats how the game is coded

also, draw canceling costs a resource, and really cant be macro'd as a result

[rocky marsh]

i havent tried new oggie rework

[placid fiber]

omega ultra op

[hard nexus]

quell sliding and quell canceling are nowhere near comparable in effectiveness

[rocky marsh]

i didn't even imply that its a consistent make or break,
im just saying that it has all the benefits without any drawbacks.

Plus, there were times that i would have lived if only i knew quell sliding existed (mainly quelling near cover)

Also, thats why i said i was talking about quell sliding independently, i.e. im not comparing it to quell cancelling

[hard nexus]

talents have benefits without any drawbacks

[placid fiber]

martyr's purpose:

[hard nexus]

true

[placid fiber]

[rocky marsh]

cica was saying that mechanical stuff (exploits?) should have some drawbacks.
Talents are not mechanical
You are quite obviously just trying to make my point look wrong lmao.

[hard nexus]

i was just being facetious on purpose

quell sliding is intended

[placid fiber]

btw martyr's purpose is even better than I was preaching... you get 1% cdr for every 1 point of health you take in damage(which still fucking sucks(I was saying it was 1% of base health, but, it's half of that))

[hard nexus]

its not an exploit

[rocky marsh]

one sec genuinely my english isn;t good i need to google facetious

[hard nexus]

being petty and sarcastic

[rocky marsh]

ah

google said >>> treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour

[hard nexus]

yarp

[copper hawk]

The quell sliding example is missing the forest for the trees. These are all true, except for the Crusher example, that in those specific cases they fulfill the parameters you set up, but you don't factor in the significant risk involved, or the drop in DPS from doing or the fact that quell canceling works in all these situations, and more, as well. If you slide backwards at the wrong time from a crusher ovearhead you will be hit. This presents risk. You are also not shooting.

You can quell cancel spam into a Crusher. You can quell cancel spam into an objective. You can quell cancel spam gunners. All of these may be done immobile and at no risk. A heavy blow will stagger gunners and and crushers and may be done at a distance. Sliding backwards, or in general, takes time, and you may not shoot during your slide.

The argument to establish whether something is OP or not is a frivolous endeavor. We don't need to establish an objective digit to point to to establish an "objectively" overpowered weapon when considering it subjectively. Press tab and look at your ranged damage. There's your digit, if you really need it. Although there is some subjectivity to determining when something becomes "overpowered", to avoid a benal and needless debate over this, we'll say a screen wiped of all enemies, armored or otherwise, is overpowered. Your personal feeling is outweighed by all other players if you are willing to put your "I think..." out on the table to compare - FatShark removed it after overwhelming complaints. Your opinion is in the minority.

I also never once did state that the combo being macroable means it should be banned. This is an absurd claim. The point to include it was macroable was to emphasize how powerful it is as an exploit on its own as other exploits don't have this potential, not as a point where it should be banned. My point was always from the perspective of your average Psyker using the exploit unassisted. You might be confusing my point with Aquino's.

The knowledge argument is also missing the forest for the trees. The whole forest is that it's too powerful relative to other exploits, and that this point, the trees, is to say that due to the strength inherent to the exploit not having the knowledge is a significant hindrance to the individual Psyker and their team due to the powerful nature of the exploit.

[rocky marsh]

this one make more sense tbh

Anyway point is talents wouldn't matter since they are not even mechanical so not remoely relevant
But i think you understand that anyway

[modern lintel]

[hard nexus]

yarp

but my real point is

[placid fiber]

All of this reading is making me hungry