#zealot-class
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Ask me out to dinner first smh
no
I’m kinda partial to snake bites
anything near my mouth would probably drive me insane
My teeth too weird af
snakes?
But you’d look cool in snake bites !
I’m scared
No piercings or tats
I’m actually considering getting face tats
No I meant of the person
In the nicest way possible
You’re gonna look like a funny ww2 person
Do not
That’s not a compliment pookie I’m sorry
you should do a joker cosplay
the bad version
I just wanted to get them
u don’t even know what i look like…
Why would I not know I’m you
My chud homonculus son
Who’s the father
Wot. I don't have tattoos.
Ur mom
Oh ew I don’t wanna be related to you
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No ty
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Green screen school wall
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Space marines?
Why are you playing as basic bitch blueberry at least be silly colors
Also you people keep making me want to get it
Then be a total eyesore
You’re a bad man
so people around you have problems when they look at you
Classic ultra marine tech
@copper hawk
Looked like a pinhead reference at first glance
Are you still playing?
Alright gives me time to relax
getting annoyed, something is going on. Cant tell if its my internet or the game
parries not going off
no gun strikes
cant heal
Servers have still been acting up so I’m not surprised unfortunately
boss fight
Game ran fine for me
Ran decapitation twice and the new one once
@jagged cradle k
we're getting a hotfix soon
related to connectivity issues and etc
Watch Yeah me too and millions of other The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered videos captured using Medal.
I love how nothing has changed with the Jank AI interactions and it just makes the game 100x better
but we've had issues like that for a while now tbh
tho personally my game has been working well
I mean tbf I was having issues when Im fucking wired for connection so I think its just the servers
The fuck is this abomination
They changed some of the character creation, bit less of a blank slate
Watch GUA- GUAR- GUARDS and millions of other The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered videos captured using Medal.
I kid you not this happened like 3 minutes after that
G g g g g g guards
Dump stat for purgation flamer?
thx
Nuh uh
Idk
It was really weird
I ain’t complaining I have grey weapons
No problem take your time
Rate my new Zealot look, just picked this up from Hallowette
close enough
welcome back total war warhammer 3
Looks like a fetcher
Putting on lo-fi instead of Powerwolf because I am being forced to play diff 2
Not very wolpish of you
Im on a mission 2 rn
nice
I HATE NIGHT SHIFT !!!
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH !!
Leadership visited us and offered us donuts
For whatever rsn ive never been so disgusted by the idea of eating a donut
Whenever i eat those mfs my stomach kills itself
Im a fake mp.. i hate coffee and donutz..
MEEEEEE
@hard nexus We should play this methinks..
Looks like a good game 2 play 2 fuck around and be zillay
ALCOHOL !!! will improve this experience ,,
We’re done :3
Are you joining
Srry Unemployteriat i cannot join u
would they notice 1 less person?
Yes
Toys is more important
I’m doing college !
Ive listened 2 so much fucking Helsreach that like
Ive had warhammer themed dreams for one, a tangent
But saying Dorn right then confused me
Like if Dorn's name wasnt dorn this entire time
Like my caffeine addled brain thought for a moment i was referring to the Primarch lmfao
Im cooked
Monolith..
True..
Sigh..
Some1 posted these in the sm2 discord and it makes one wish ,,
Apparently netease is making a 40k mmorpg
Hopefully it's not canceled
I hope i can play as an sororitas or an astartes ,,
its back baybee
bret longsword in oblivion
no way
lmfao sure
that seems silly
Dementia
I wanna use magic and shit. casting spells and stuff
im doing kind of a mix of everything
i just dont have any good spells yet
That’s kinda how you play a Bethesda rpg past a point
so im mostly supplimenting damage spells with a bow lmao
Once your skills max out
i cast physical pierce
I like conjuring monsters and skeletons and atronachs
but my actual selected class was spellsword
Smellsword
lol what is going on with my contract offers tonight
Yah.. that tracks..
ive never given a magic build in an elder scrolls game an actual shot cuz i felt so vulnerable
Smite apologist in psyker chat
I've intentionally stayed away from looking at the oblivion remaster so it can't hurt me if it sucks
Life is hell
so having a mix of both that and melee seems like its a good way for me to actually play with spells and not be a wet rag
is it just in the skyrim/newer engine?
dawwwwwww so mods will likely be incompatiblew
im running a few minor ones
not that I held a lot of hope they would transfer over
ue5 is at least 10x better than gamebryo
It’s basically just the game with a 120 gb texture upgrade
mechanics have changed too
oh snap, like nexus oblivion mods or new ones?
such as leveling and enemy scaling
good
it has ray tracing!!
even as a shithead teen I thought that was breaking the immersion
Is it any good
bandits at a campfire in glittering glass and ebony armor
one for fixing UE5 fuckups like fps and micro stutters
and another for fixing their fucked difficulty settings
Oh the difficulty settings are so funny
oblivion remake is the definition of that meme about remembering what games looked like when you played them as a kid
right on, it's heartening to see support and authors already hacking away ast it
ah yes, the Bullet Sponge
adept (default) is 1x damage dealt and recieved and its pissbaby mode
expert is 3x damage recieved and .6x damage dealt and every enemy is the final boss in my experience (a dog has torn me to shreds right out of the tutorial)
master is 5x recieved and .2x dealt
oldest trick in gaming
i modded it to set master to 2x recieved .5x dealt and combat feels good now
if you turned enemy scaling on on witcher 3 a single normal sized rat out of a pack of dozens could kill yo ass
theres already a mod that sets the first sword you gets textures to the infamous aheago image
heh and it's prolly extra goofy cuz of those single bite/charge/leap attacks the enemies have or at least had in the first one
that one dog leap gets through your defenses and it's whp THIRDPERSONRAGDOLL
LOAD~~/SAVE/~~QUIT
Enemy scaling setting was so fucked, I remember having to turn it off for the Olgierd fight because it made his attacks unblockable
i played the original oblivion on the easiest difficulty years ago in high school because i was running it with below minimum graphics (everything was a solid color) by bootlegging a pirated copy to run through wineskin on a school macbook air
so everything was 15 fps and i was playing on a trackpad
lmao
I just watched a psyker (who was really bad) walk backwards into a burster that nobody had touched and blame me for their death.
I remember trying to play FPS titles on a thinkpad with the little red laptop nipple you had to rub in the middle of the keyboard
Ah, yes, the keyboard titty.
basically if a joystick got castrated
i was just in a game and i swear my teammates went down like 15 times in total if not more
Her: "Ahn, you found it~"
console user I suspect
i used a thinkpad in elementary school to type instead of write (dysgraphia acommodations, teachers legit couldnt read my handwriting)
it didnt have a trackpad
it only had the nipple
Anywho being blamed for a team losing when I was the only one not going down and dying nonstop is funny.
Roundness
ROTUNNNNDUH
I’m glad we had the same idea
Buig
skinwalker zealot
yes
my work laptop s till has this shit
too bad all of the attacks deal the same damage
the stab doesnt do more than the slashes
Write a guide
Time for Cole to meticulously learn each and every moveset.
Very engaging gameplay
You know, it helps if you block.
i was trying to compared the damage of the slashes to the stab
thats what that video literally was for
My honest reaction:
I don’t think tactical is that fun
@carmine falcon a
Not my favorite
Max level tactical but level 1 no prestige all others
Lmfao
I dont understand ppl who play like that
Ur brain is fundamentally wired in a way i cant understand,,
Like ppl who play one class in darktide, have played for years or since closed beta, and haven't max leveled other characters yet
Dont u get BORED
I knew a certain zealot that is exactly that
Level 6k zel
Then like 28 on other 3
I prestiged all my characters so I only have sniper max
We love you trauma
Or I will just tell him
Shadow in the Discord
I’ll probably play more sm2 tomorrow
kill everyone
this game is so cool I wish it was playable
So i had a crazy decision now, due to some peoples takes

What if until death was basekit but slightly nerfed in cooldown? The issue is it will always be picked by every serious zealot. Bad players will pick it for a second chance and great zealots take it to become unstoppable. And it always takes 1/2 talent points away.
Vet has cover shooting, which is insane
Psyker has a whole mechanic to him
Ogryn is now the super giga tank
Zealot has nothing, so until death would be his to now call his own.
Why until death basekit? Other than what i mentioned, is that i try to pit other classes rework up to around ogryns level
Issue us zealot already goes into that part of the tree because duelist
and the other options kinda stink
Duelist is nerfed
Have you seen my rework yet?
And that would lead to loner
Yes!
But Fatshark will never implement it
Immeasurably complex 
People said that bout ogryn
And imo, weapon balance is WAY easier on zealot, vet and psyker in a way
Like for now, i would mainly target class specific weapons, like evisc and flamer
Have you ever seen a single person use the shoot over cover feature
i say what i said bout ogryn, have faith
First, yes, second, its incredibly hard to notice in the first place when you are focused on not dying, third, if you dont use it ever, you are removing a very strong tool out of vets kit
It basically shrinks your hit box to a tenth or so if used well
I don’t think there’s been a single occasion where I’ve used it or needed to use it practically
I wouldn't call it a strong tool, but I've seen vets mitigate enemy fire with cover in Havoc
Like you go from upper toros to barely shoulders
but enemy shooters don't need to see even a tenth of you to fire with full accuracy
I have survived an assload with the mechanic so idk why it wouldnt be good 
Me too
It's Janky currently, the mechanic was made for a time where shooters were big menaces
It also matters veteran height
My vet is average size so cover barely mitigates fire
I wish they made something people would use instead
But it is more often than not in my experience a god sent
Extra damage while in cover
Since it lets you use a LOT more cover in the game efficiently

I still think it would be cool if they added a heavy stubber for veteran
and peeking over cover with it removed its recoil and spread
Zealot's thing is having absolutely cracked base stats
Fastest movement
Best dodging
Strongest damage reduction
Best stamina
bracing it on the cover y'know
The only scenario I can see it being useful in is high havoc gunfights
Achtually psyker has better stam
Which is not a good place to be for a baked in feature
His base stats arent that crazy, and honestly, i dont think it would break him compared to ogryn if he had until death as base
You can just run through or slide spam through gunfire in every other difficulty
doesn't psyker only get faster regen delay
In high havoc you kinda got to use it 
maybe it should be a part of martyrdom instead
Unless you wanna see how fast you can hit the floor
That was the initial plan
But some really dislike that idea
Ive been sayin this 4 so long
So i try to gage what more players would think about the idea first
zealot needs a tree rework anyway
They need to increase the spread/decrease the accuracy of torrent enemies
as does veteran
The non torrent guardsmen (scab shooters) miss w their lasguns but homeless people w scrap autoguns laser you at any range
I think you are the only person I know of to actually use this
hell, vet needs more than a reorder at this point with havoc
Veterans top tree is as boring as zealots bottom
true
Third time is the charm
Idk if there rlly is anything zealot does significantly better than other classes
Where's that reddit post that talks about it
Maybe?
i just know that it made me die less
It was made by a solo h40 non stealth vet player
Going fast and not eating shit
Safety nets
He does slides better iirc
But thats really it
His stealth is better than vet because of uptime
Better damage potential, even when co sidering duelist
Due to agile engagement
Better stamina (w 3 stam regen curios, stamina regens on slides)
Ogryn has better base stats for health, vet and psyjer have their own mechanic no one else has, ogryn iirc can dodge into enemies to stagger them
Better golden tness, better survivability
Zealot doesnt really have a mechanic, he has stats 
I wouldn’t call cover peeking a mechanic on par with peril
more like cope peeking
It is a mechanic and if it needs more meaningful interactions, you can buff it, unlike a complete absence of said mechanic though
It’s a highly situational and largely unknown tool versus a basic mechanic of a class that is required for good performance
Just give zealot Titanfall like movement
what does it even do, make your aim reset slightly faster?

We already have enough speedrunners 
I just don’t think it fits design philosophy anymore
Imagine if Zealot can vault over Crushers
That might be true
Very few of your engagements outside of havoc are sit down gunfights anymore
You just charge them
So i guess i make until death an actual mechanic
Yes
The pace of the game has increased such that the ability to peek over a crate isn’t needed anymore
And the health regen
I to zealot base, i will maybe revisit vets peeking mechanic
Morph them into one thing and make it a passive
But martyrdome tho
Ill settle w UD being by itself
Vet infilitrate is significantly better than shroudfield
Lets make the keystone that ramps up the clower you are to dying be at just the same danger of dying as any other character because of no chip damage mitigation
I have 2 new nodes, 1 of them is a dead end node, i could maybe make until death not regen but get other benefits implace of it if you pick that one
Again, imagine if Zealot Saltz in vt2 could take green hp chip damage below 80% temp hp
Yes, but infiltrate has worse uptime due to Veterunt vs zealot cd
Make the character unfun and nigh on nonfunctional fundamentally
remove vet stealth line (right side) and replace with Stormtrooper with a cute little servo skull targeter buddy that follows you around and marks heretics
Kid named tactical awareness
Replace zealot shroudfield
Kill a handful of gunners infiltrate is back
Barely works due to ping
Lol, lmfao even
Love dedicated servers
Infiltrate is better at speedrunning
Where's cole when u need him
Eepy
He has a clip of him vocinf 4 or 5 times in a row w tactical awareness
It’s like 3 where he’s at
Vet has a flat bonus issue that's sorta only on his tree
Hit things in the back
Crit
take damage
Flat damage bonuses across the board, tons of them, flat crit chance, flat cdr
I have a clip showcasing the brilliance of serverside registration
Vet also does a mass surpression when leaving infiltrate

Suppresion matters when all the enemies are on your team because you agro dumped to speedrun?
I love smoke grenades
I do mass suppression when shooting with my gun
braced autogun value
shoot 2 bullets at shooters to immediately get them to fuck off
You can do like 50% extra damage when leaving infiltrate with 2 talents
Imo, movespeed needs to be removed from stealth or super conditional
Thats the main issue
Stealth shouldn't exist.
kill it
Cause not only do you aggro dump, you remove any chance of gaining it back since you are on the other side of the arena
infiltrate damage was great for farming civis with powersword before bm nerfs, kill 4 crushers in a single hit
still very busted
Or better yet
have it just surround you in smoke like from a smoke grenade
which would you literally invincible to ranged enemies while it's active
since they just won't shoot you
you're just inventing bubble tho
zealot chorus should be a bubble that gives the team even more toughness
idk Chorus seems fine to me sadly because getting rid of Plogryn in Gloriana is funny
but what if it was also just bubble but yellow toughness
make insane sustain abilities even better
Chorus should not be a minute cooldown
And shouldnt require u 2 take golden toughness
What fotf should also spawn a bubble where you stop
what if zealot stealth was just bubble but everyone inside the bubble was stealthed and crit
But how would speedrunners speedrun the maps in high level havoc
by being good at the game instead
now we're talking
Add boss walls
they can't be good it's literally impossible
I want a giant gate to drop down to lock people in a tiny arena if they pace too hard
Boss walls.
but what if the wall was a giant gate
Boss wall of nurgle
how about if you pick loner and stealth you just instantly drop dead as soon as the mission starts how about that
like, unironically
what if you picked stealth and the game crashed and everytime you chose zealot it would crash
new havoc modifier if you advance too far too quickly ritualists spawn and lock you in a nurgle dome
I want a nurgle thunderdome
Vt2 has boss walls (i hate bile trolls)
they should cause corrruption damage when you get near them too, to instill fear
We really need a modifier that replaces all elites with Ogryns
let's be real, the solo stealth zealot would just kill the boss
what are the chances that if they did bring in boss walls speedrunners walk straight through them
or glitch out of bounds
You used to be able to skip some events by using mutants
They would just clip you through any surface
They cant
Your forced to kill the boss to progress
And bosses in havoc spawn a horde alongside them
Try to go too far back youll trigger the bulwark wall
I mean flamer go brr on those
also I don't think you can have a bulwark spawn until the horde is cleared, no?
Almost thought that was pantsu ripper art
tf is that
hey guys how do i get a full view of my character in their stance
cuz like my game crashes at the end of every match
i wanna get a screenshot of my character in their victory pose
You got scoreboard mod?
yeah i do
Cause that sounds like the scoreboard mod
Take it out, i can almost guarantee you thats it
alright
That or update it if there is one
gotcha
Still takes chip except ur not healed when u drop to 1 on chip
Fundamental issue w marty remains
ok hear me out
Yeah but what would you suggest? Make damage impossible to hp unless toughness is gone? 
psycher
having a chance to spawn ally burster
Immune to chip over certain tness percentage depending on marty stacks on top of damage reduction normal to marty stacks
If an attack would break your toughness in one shot it's reduced
Eg crusher overhead, sniper shot, etc
At low hp attacks that would fuck u up w a mistake still fuck u up if u make that mistake
But getting hit by random enemies, like pwalkers, doesnt pose the same threat as a crusher overhead
Immune to chip at a certain tness percentage would be it rlly
no
Wait till you realise the game is still largely running on the old framework
so some mods are already compatible
idk how this dual engine is working atm but it's giving some performance issues
@copper hawk
That should fix it 
Maybe by fire be purged needs to be higher, but it is the general idea
So, that gonna fix it? 
Tactical my beloved
that definitely didn't work for myrkul nor death in castlevania
did you ever stop to think maybe the scythe just wasnt big enough to satiate their specific needs
Nonono
You dont get it
It fixed their loneliness
Just not dying 
The key to happiness is a pot of coffee and house slippers
legit
hit me with a warm cuppa (tea or coffee idc) and a nice spot in the sun and I'm right as fuckin' rain mate
Fucked around and tried experimenting yesterday
Added dark chocolate to my cup cause I'm trying to cut sweets
Christ alive that was such a bad idea
lmao
It tasted like I was drinking hard, chalk tasting pudding
yeah you gotta get drinking chocolate, otherwise it won't play nice
Side note
And this might be a bit heresy
But I added a smidge of the protien milk to my coffee
Much better
the A2 milk?
the milk with the extra protein tho yea ikwym
Yeah yeah if fucking slaps
yeee it does
it's either that or full cream, everything else is awful
skim milk gotta be a crime against all that is holy
My old man was loaded right
That cheap ass would still buy skim milk when I was a kid
But yeah dude the little protien shakes I use
So many damn flavors
Think the best one I had was the cinnamon bun one
wild, back when I was workin' out I just had the fuckin' regular ass whey protein powder lol
Speaking of, I'm getting back into strength training
Dude I fell off so damn hard
But once I did a few curls
Waited a bit
I felt like I could swing like a fucking baseball bat
yeee just gotta wake u pthe muscle memory
Heft behind that uppercut with the speed
Gonna get my boy back into fencing
dude I miss that shit like crazy
and gymnastics tbh but hoo lordy flexibility is so god damn perishable
Have you considered the knights fighting thing at renaissance festivals ?
like I'm still decently flexible but there ain't no way I'm doing the shit I used to do, part of that is also to do with aging tbf
Nah man, if them 70 yr olds can hit them weights and keep it moving. We sure can aswell.
tru, I just know if I tried doing any of the stuff I used to be able to do on the pommel horse I will tear my groin muscles lmao, gotta work back up to it
I've been looking into different options in my area but I also just don't really have the money nor time rn
I know that pain.
I've been doing what I can to make sure I stay out and social, don't wanna end up as a total hermit
I goofed last week though
My boys called me up while I was passed out
Missed a chance to hit up a Brazilian steak house

bro was in bed before 8pm hes old
I can't even remember why I was asleep so long that day
rip, brazillian food goes hard
Been trying to my family and friends on food outside of America
They weren't expecting to like Mediterranean but now they're fiends
hard not to like mediterranean food
med and MENA food all the way baybee
if it was good enough for the birth of civilization, it's good enough for me
the further you are from the med sea the worst the food is thats a known fact
that and my grandma would materialise behind me and beat me with a shoe if I ever bad mouthed the cuisine
i mean
would you ever bad mouth the cuisine?
fuck no
good
it's delicious and (mostly) healthy
I will bad mouth poorly done baklava tho, some places just don't do the pastry right
ikr i started avoiding it all together
and it hurts so much seeing tourists buying the microwaved 5 day old baklava from trashy kabab shops
if you can find places ran by people from the culture that aren't like a chain then odds are it'll be good
but places that are chains or offer baklava but aren't specifically a MENA restaurant you're probably getting dry ass baklava
i remember helping my brother move into a new apartment and him and my other brother are like oh cole we know this cool dinner place lets go their for lunch i say sure place is called "big als" im imagining big fat Italian man and cold cuts absolutely not its a mediterranean grill
i lied not mediterranean it was jamaican
it was good as hell was absolutely not what i was expecting given the name tho
fair lmao
i could see the name being jamaican
shout out to latin america guava gotta be one of my favorite fruits
Hi clod 
Clothes
Clad
hi
I can’t believe you are still naked Sharquino
NO
I MEAN NAMED
Naked sharquino
swing missed, hit a gas pipe
I am fully clothed rn tyvm
I put on a hazmat suit before I enter this chat
anyone online that runs solos?
I can hear the bombaclaaaaaaat from the original video
Does t60 have radiation protection
if I remember correctly lore wise, yes
game wise no
something something fallout tactics bull
crawwwwlliinnngg innnnn my skiinnnn
damn shreder autopistol gun is goat
quickwork for dreg rager , easy suppress group of heavy gunner
NARUTO
this filter feels like a fever dream 😵💫
love autopistol
just wish its ammo eco was a little better
Where's the mask from
old commodore vestures from ages ago
Do they ever come back
Yes but lots of people will tell you no because of how long it takes 
Got it, thx
It took a long time for someone to actually answer the question
I mean why wouldn't it be with the death dealer spec?
It's literally the free shot crit
And the 25% crit chance extra
I forgot how much was it
More crit chance if you're on the first 25% of your clip
Totals 83% with Piety
with piety that can be a base 55% crit chance before cavalcade kicks in
Rip
And tear
Considering it has 2 dump stats
Well I want the mobility and the suppression
and damage affects unarmored and infested damage
That's it
and damage itself
which affects ttk
You're using a pre-buff shredder
damage isn't the dump stat on any weapon besides the flamer
oh and btw the stagger makes it harder to deal damage since enemies fly off their feet out of your crossheir >.>
average loner stealth zealot . Ready for duty
Kinda sad that 1 extra talent point grabs you benediction and a 15 toughness talent >.>
Get rid of martyrs call.
Also, base zealot:
stun nade from 8m, to 12m
Toughness from 70, to 100
Rule #1, healing talents are to affect you and you only.
I wanna keep an add node there, but what else should i make it then
I want to cause for until death to not heal you anymore but give another ecfect implace

Also these fire talents should not be keystone exclusive.
legit just keep until death the way it is lol
Just make it the two existing nodes + until death as base functionality + holy rev as an aux node.
i do not get what's everyone's issue with it out of all the talents
No, until death needs to be keystone locked.
There is no way to balance it.
longer cooldown
That's a bandaid fix.
I want it to be a base mechanic actually
Everyone is still going to take it.
Horrible idea.
lock it to a keystone and that keystone will be picked 100% over the rest
No it won't lmao.
Why is it horrible? 🤔
There are a lot of people that would rather not play martyrdom.
Because it is too large of a safety net.
i know for sure ill be taking whatever keystone it has 
surviving a funny overhead or doing a suicide rush is far important for me than literally anything else
putting it on a keystone is a bandaid fix as well
It really isn't.
kind of is, because people who want it will take it anyway
You're not fixing the problem, just pushing it to the side
All it would mean is a significantly larger number of martyr noobs.
Good players don't need UD to be good.
UD is just meta pathing, and always will be until it is moved.
Path it to loner then
i dont need UD to be good but i like having a talent like this on the class where im expected to frontline with my melee
Pathing needs to make sense.
Putting it under death cult assassin doesn't make sense.
if u want a hard balance nerf just make it like iron will from drg
you have ONE singular use of it and u have to be smart about it
UD has been a zealot key thing ever since launch, how does making it marty only make it good? Marty getting a special effect with it makes sense, but, it was never based on marty
The purpose is to get it out of standard pathing.
It is and always will be the best possible pathing while it remains in the standard tree.
Sure, and one fix is putting holy revenant in marty. Making until death leave you at 1hp
good or not, 1hp does not give you wiggle room
Put the entire functionality of it into martyrdom at that point then.
I still think it could be a base feature, since it used to be a base feature... and guess what: without holy rev, it didn't do much for you
it doesnt do much with holy rev if you're shit at the game anyway
you'll get clapped 5 seconds later
Yep
its why i dont get the obsession with it
good players will do good with or without
Bad players will get clapped with our without 
^
zealot drop like flies in my games
Forcing it on a keystone just removes player choice
My issue is more what it does in general
Leaving it as it is removes player choice, too.
As I said, meta pathing is meta.
the only fix is limiting its usage its that simple really
just make it have 1 or 2 charges
boom
Bad players kinda het a free pass every few minutes, good players break the damn thing in two
It's going to be moved anyway, with what void is doing
Moving it to a keystone is just a bandaid fix "I don't want players to have it" slaps bandaid by moving it to marty
How else are you going to limit the amount of people that take it?
You have seen my change to martyr right?
I get both of your sides tbh
Like you both got great points
Limiting the number of times it activates or having a significantly longer cooldown is just going to make it shite.
Especially considering a random chaff can proc it when you aren't paying attention.
but removing player's choice makes it a good way? By forcing people who take piety and ij to not have it whether or not they agree?
So without completely lobotomizing it as a talent, putting it behind a keystone is the only way to limit the number of people using it, and martyrdom is the only one that works as a limiting keystone.
Yes, exactly.
Bandaid
You don't need until death to begin with, so forcing it on a keystone just is stupid
Agree to disagree then.
hey let them focus on UD maybe they'll forget about invoc 
Okay lemme ask you, i wann ask neutral questions
There are 3 ways of making it not meta pathing.
nerfing it into the ground with a longer cooldown/limited number of activations
locking it behind a keystone
removing it from the game entirely
I'd say a longer cd until death would be better, 120s is WAY too short
Of the 3 choices, mine is the best.
what makes ud a must on my martyrdome? I kept its strength arguably equal, if not better, however at a lower wound tax, meaning more hp per wound
120s until death, whether marty or not, is busted
Playing on low hp means even at 90%+ toughness, you can still be downed in one hit.
UD is a safety net for when your hp is that low.
Froglo, did you check my martydome text?
Ignore martyrs call, its op potentially
Transferring hp damage to toughness does not fix the issue I'm talking about.
Chip damage cant kill you anymore tho
The damage you receive is going to down you regardless.
Let's say you're at like 20hp at 90% toughness. A standard crusher/mauler hit (not an overhead) is going to down you.
What is the exact damage of that again?
I dont know off the top of my head but 10% of the damage they deal is what hits your hp, and that is enough to down you at 20hp.
What if it KINDA worked like gold toughness when above a certain toughness threshold?
Meaning you could eat a hit?
That's a terrible idea.
What if the damage is instead reduced to a set value?
That leans even further into the toughness generation spam you almost goofed with when you made a change to voice of terra.
Changing core mechanics is not the way to go with this.
Let me explain my design philosophy for zealouts tree in a single phrase.
It should be strong, but not noob friendly.
What i am saying is that martyrdome clearly tells you that your toughness is now your gate instead of health, so i am trying to build around that
Noob friendly involves removal of game mechanics and leaving in overpowered talents like UD for standard choice.
So you want noobs to go play vet instead?
"Great" way to fix stuff... make them play another class
But, that kinda goes fundamentally against game design
Vet still needs another overhaul but ogryn is quite noob friendly and strong now.
They're saying that Zealot should have a skill floor
^^^
And fuck anyone who doesn't have that level
High skill floor, higher skill ceiling.
Brother that is how videogames work
Why the fuck do you think Malice is the most played difficulty?
Quite literally, yes. Get good.
Let me explain you game design, we basically always try to make a class available, not matter how bad one player is, preferably, joe that work a 9/5 and makes minimum wage income can play it, but pros can farm clips/flex their skill if they want to!
80% of the player base is malice locked.
Why do you think Scrier's Gaze has such shit usage rates that Fatshark keeps buffing it every other patch
Despite it being the most busted shit in the universe?
80% of the player base thinks they need chorus in malice.
I was baffled honestly that scriers got buffed 
and they gigabuffed crack of bone too
Olincan almost stay indefinitely in SG 
Yes, but my comments involving that fall on deaf ears. There will always be an easy talent tree and options for people like that, I am just advocating for the removal of the especially egregious parts of the tree.
something that has been there since day 1 >.>
Know that I am not of the opinion that zealout deserves strictly buffs or nerfs, individually. Getting rid of until death from standard picking is necessary for restructuring the tree in a way that is healthy for balance.
I think of it that way, the game should be sorta balanced around havoc, look at ogryn, he fucks at havoc, bad player get to enjoy him tons, and let us be honest, if then havoc is too easy if everyone is around his level, fs would just slap 10 new levels on havoc 
Nono i get you, it is just hard finding a solution that demands a lot of different answers
Likewise, other talents would take UD's place, and other talents would be buffed to make up for it.
What's funny is until death does not make zealots reach this level
until death is just a bandaid
They really don't lmao.
Shrapnel rumbler with fire explosions is insane.
It's not even close
until death would have to have a 30s or less cd to reach ogryn tankiness levels
Also afaik club slap doesn't have a cleave limit so you can spam the shit out of it and kill everything with batter.
and yet... despite these things until death being noob friendly is your problem
I never said I liked ogryn as he is now.
The basic idea of zealot is that he CAN reach ogryns strength, but he needs to jump through some hoops, balance idea is that he would instead have better mobility
until death is removed and now u need to be prime S!mple to play darktide
I never said I am ok with how strong he is.
epic victory royale
even though until death literally does nothing for survival unless you are good
Ogryn imo is mostly fine, but they ought to nerf the first nodes for toughness replenishment, or put a cooldown on some of them
Or in general, nerf mk3 club
Basically, rn, as long as you reach your enemy, you are basically unkillable
I've heard enough. 20% rending to everyone. Rebuff assail.
Imo, darktide should be fun till you hit auric where it needs to start becoming challenging
My arguement is removing until death or forcing you to take a keystone if you want it removes some of that fun
since it removes player choice
I get froglos point tho, so do i get your however
Finding a middle ground there is difficult
I'm on team nerf the cd on it
120s is busted
like dude, 120s is no time at all
if you're good
Lets not forget, every class has a key feature, vets just needs an update
Zealot has none
and until death has been zealot's key feature pretty much since day 1... even when they moved it to the talent tree
A missions is on average, what, 30 minutes?
or at least 180s... 120s allows a 30 minute mission to have it proc 15 times
I would go harder honestly
300s is vt2's cd on it
Id say 5 minutes cd
iirc
Key features should be strong but not op.
u fix meta pathing by making other options enticing aka ogryn new tree 
I mean, a LOT can happen within 5 minutes
Yep
Especially in havoc
1 sniper clipping you, a barrel, a burster
Like 5 minutes in havoc you killed probably multiple platoons
120s is just insane
Also, that way, since it went from 2 minutes, to 5 monutes, i think it would be a strong nerf
Thats a 150% increase
For ver, i would honestly give him HEAVY damage reduction while taking cover and a slew of gun handling buffs
no
Cause cover is neat, but not ogryn pushes enemies on dodge good
I was answering my thing
Oh okay, oops
Zealot's base feature(In vt2) IS cheat death... at 120s... when temp health is taken first
that's busted >.>
Yep
Yup
even more so with the healing increase
Thats why i made by fure be purged
You basically gain 100% toughness replenishment
All sources
As i said, i will not be nerfing martyrdome more of a sidegrade
Now is the question tho
What to do about martyrs call
I mean... healing your allies and not healing yourself is rough with chip damage
What if allies had your martyrdome effects for the duration of until death, but it no longer healed you?
The longer healing you thing is the part that will get everyone killed and make people avoid it
Again, then i made a mistake, cause idea is that it works like vt2 zealot, meaning as longas you got enough toughness, you should be golden
Even with removing chip damage that is kinda rough
Until death heal is no longer meant to be mandatory on martyr but a secondary safety net
So if it is still rough, i didnt reach my goal
What if martyrdome came with extra toughness or baseline toughness damage reduction? 🤔
extra toughness doesn't prevent chip
Maybe make it increase toughness and reduce holy revenant healing by half?
I know but the whole “chip damage hits toughness instead” should prevent that no?
I mean... making it golden toughness kind of feels like a bandaid fix
it doesn't solve the issue, it just circumvents it
It it golden toughness tho? I mean it doesnt have the gate that gold toughness has, which i think is the main issue
I mean... it could work, but, idk
Here is an idea
It would be like temp hp then
Ontop of the chip removal
For each wound you have (meaning each wound curio as well) you gain 20 toughness
Thats the idea

that's a lot of power
I'd say like 5 toughness per wound myself >.>
cause 20 is up to 120 in damnation
Only 5? I mean that’d be 25 total but yeah
oh right you're removing the bonus wounds
Yup
What curios you run on support zealot?
btw the 5% damage doesn't reach the same dps as it has now
Cause it was only used on a single build
I know, but all the fire and additional bonuses should
dots are not consistent enough to reach said dps
Like at 3 wounds lost, you can apply 3 stacks per hit
Oh? How so
dots are not really consistent to begin wtih
Probably toughness
Tripple tough?
that or 2 toughness and 1 hp/stamina
3 burn stacks which still cap at 16 and on slow weapons it would barely stack
You're also immensely weakening some weapon's damage
my guess is either triple tough or 2 tough 1 stam
support zealot means bringing chorus yeah?
the stam could help secure a revive a bit more and just general improvement (i don't typically run it)
having more tough is also just as cool
Yeah
if you're partaking crits to spam ability off cooldown, i don't think 4% ability regen would provide too much value for perks 🤔
even without that the cdr from 3 4% perks are almost never worth it
since it takes the place of 3 better perks
What if it was up to 6 but capped to only apply every second instead every hit? That way it could equalize fast vs slow weapons?
Eh...
most people would just prefer more damage
That's what it currently has with +2 wounds
i mean 8 stacks is … a lot!

