I've always thought that zealots should deal some kind of fire dmge
#zealot-class
slate notch
mint brook
There is more where that came from
slate notch
Wouldn't be surprised if they'd add it now after the visions perks and all that stuff
Zealot's build needs an urgent rework, it feels very outdated, it's obsolete
acoustic dune
the 10 box of hurt get me everytime
mint brook
x)
Might make it the meme for my reworks, who knows
But expect mortis trials stuff to sorta appear for my reworks
Not onto the same strenth level
acoustic dune
Might make it the meme for my reworks, who knows
one of the blitz is just a singular use of box of hurt
and its just 10 box of hurt
combine to one
damage everyone
and cant the replenish
mint brook
Martyr i might make changes people wont like
Like +2 wounds is gonna be gone
Instead of melee power, you apply 1 stack of burn with your melee attack per wound missing
Combined with purge the heretic, you max out on burn on the third hit
But mertyrdome will get 2 more toys to be a real oowerhouse if you go for that playstyle
slate notch
Would you take invocation of death in a IJ build? Probably going rashad. I'm looking for the perfect IJ build and compare it to the standard Piety build
acoustic dune
Like +2 wounds is gonna be gone
add that to martydom keystone
placid fiber
Would you take invocation of death in a IJ build? Probably going rashad. I'm loo...
Some people do, but, it would depend on the melee weapon
placid fiber
You can't make me hungry, I'm already eating!
mint brook
add that to martydom keystone
I suppose that makes sense?
But at the same time, i will compensate
The +2 wounds wont be needed
Oh yeah
Until death is gone
placid fiber
we can't even max out wounds as it is
mint brook
Well… not entirely
placid fiber
So you want to remove 1 of the few unique zealot things
mint brook
we can't even max out wounds as it is
Thay is some ocd shit i tell you that 
mint brook
So you want to remove 1 of the few unique zealot things
Yesnt
It isnt gone gone
But… not as non commital that everyone and their mother takes it
Spefically. It will be in the martyrdome keystones
frosty herald
mint brook
If any one playstyle really ACTUALLY needs it, it is martyrdome
The rest feels like making already amazing zealots just completely untouchable
Basically
placid fiber
You want to make zealot less fun
mint brook
My rework will nerf the good stuff, endruing faith, until death, duelist, being by having higher point commitment or being nerfed, the whole rest however will see big buffs
Nah
He wont be less fun, at least thats the goal
Think about it, the reason why THAT is fun, is because thats really all you have xD
The rest of zealot either sucks or got gutted over time
obtuse stirrup
Sometimes, people are so dumb you have to quit the game and go and lie down for half an hour
mint brook
Sometimes, people are so dumb you have to quit the game and go and lie down for ...
You mean like a martyrd zealot using heal stims?
obtuse stirrup
Three people all dive over a ledge on A5HSTG without taking medicae. One even used a med stimm. I call them idiots (which is fair, but admittedly a bit unkind), and the only one who I wasn't referring to (another martyrdom zealot who, tbh, probably should have taken the heal in that circumstance too) decides to tell me to shut the fuck up and then deliberately throws.
mint brook
Calling someone an idiot is fair, but unecessary 
obtuse stirrup
I meant the walking fucking corpse of a psyker and the veteran
Who were both languishing on 1 wound remaining and were definitely gonna die
mint brook
I know, but like, genuinely dont type anything with critique in chat
obtuse stirrup
I just fucking can't stand playing with people who aren't actually even trying to play
I said it on voice.
Fuck me my mental health isn't good enough to be playing right now
mint brook
Some people cant take as much as being looked at wrong and we are all god gamers, with flawless skill
mint brook
Fuck me my mental health isn't good enough to be playing right now
Play age of empires or something
obtuse stirrup
No time. I have to go out and do things now.
That was my one window to play today.
mint brook
Yikes
obtuse stirrup
Ruined by two morons and one arsehole.
mint brook
For next time, maybe make a list for games you can and cant play when on a mental down, i for example play only games like age of wonders or building games when i am down
obtuse stirrup
It's more like safe games and risky games
mint brook
Ruined by two morons and one arsehole.
Cool down, never worth getting your panties in a bunch over people you will most likely never meet again
obtuse stirrup
99% of the time Darktide uplifts me
mint brook
Maybe i am just like that cause i played league and dota for the longest time
obtuse stirrup
It's not that simple
mint brook
But genuinely, while i know its hard keeping a cool when the day is off and stuff, just giving my best advice
Never gonna claim its easy!
Lemme say it like that, i just want the best fir everyone 🙂
acoustic dune
Until death is gone
what instead until death is you go down later
like a last stand
obtuse stirrup
like a last stand
Amazing, now it becomes a tax node.
I would certainly take this change as Darktide becoming a 3 class game.
Tbh they never should have made Until Death into a talent
It made more sense being base
mint brook
what instead until death is you go down later
As someone said, that would just kinda delay your death, but which actually can make things worse
Also
I worked more on the tree
Now all sides of the trees cost 16 points to get to the keystone
From 17 on side paths and 18 on middle path
So you gained now 1 or 2 points total
clever swan
havoc 21 and within like 3 minutes the guy with only chinese characters in his name leaves. i had high hopes for him. it was doomed from there (another guy left later when we wiped and i couldnt do it all by myself with a smite psyker who kept going down)
mint brook
Question
Would desperation be good if it worked on ranged attacks as well?
Barely see anyone take it unless it is a tax node
obtuse stirrup
Is that the 0 stamina one? Just seems like a bad idea generally
acoustic dune
Is that the 0 stamina one? Just seems like a bad idea generally
with how much stam regen base zealot have
its doable
but its super specefic
so it stink
if it was stack per lack of stam
then its a good pick
since it would be free damage
misty nova
It would be an okay choice for true gun zealot
You run in with a Brauto
Point Blank with Anoint
tight breach
My rework will nerf the good stuff, endruing faith, until death, duelist, being ...
So exactly what Fatshark will do....fuck this shit
tight breach
Would desperation be good if it worked on ranged attacks as well?
Still wouldn't be worth a point because other than push attack spam on Knife you raaaarely run out of all stamina
i kinda like the idea of putting Until Death near to Martyrom but I would't put it into the keystone itself.....imo it's too much of Zealot's identity to exclude it from the two other keystones...but make it more point intensive to get maybe
carmine falcon
So exactly what Fatshark will do....fuck this shit
judging by how they reworked every other class, we will be op 
slate notch
judging by how they reworked every other class, we will be op <:Haha:10799332217...
If they do it...
tame sluice
well zealot's already overpowered with their best build
you'd just get more options really
slate notch
well zealot's already overpowered with their best build
Wouldn't say it's OP, it's fine and very capable but OP... Ogryn is OP, tbh
Avoid disablers, keep swinging and everything dies, that's the ogryn now. With zealot you still have to check on your toughness
carmine falcon
well zealot's already overpowered with their best build
only op with certain weapons tbh
tame sluice
Avoid disablers, keep swinging and everything dies, that's the ogryn now. With z...
no you don't
you get toughness back for free from dodging
all 3 of your keystones have some way to recover even more toughness
your best ability (FoTF) not only makes you briefly invincible, but also restores toughness and gives attack speed
slate notch
you get toughness back for free from dodging
That doesn't mean you are invincible as the ogryn, you still have to be aware of your toughness against a pack of ragers, crushers, things like that
tame sluice
and you get 2 of them
and you have the best cooldown reduction in the game
and you have holy revenant so even if you fuck up and die you just don't
plus I think Zealot can get higher damage reduction than Ogryn does
you just have lower actual health/toughness values
slate notch
So? Take second wind away and you just doomed the class, that's not happening to an OP class
I'm not saying it's in bad shape, but OP? Not at all
It's fine. Boring and limited talents that force you to play A or B but fine nonetheless.
plucky sparrow
For relic blade, does power output replace the dmg, or is it added on
tame sluice
It's fine. Boring and limited talents that force you to play A or B but fine non...
It's just A, and A is arguably the strongest build in the game
This is the build with extremely little variance
grizzled aspen
For relic blade, does power output replace the dmg, or is it added on
Power output slightly affects unpowered damage but mainly affects powered damage.
plucky sparrow
This is *the build* with extremely little variance
(The variance is the key stone lmao)
tame sluice
maybe you take extra crit instead of Good Balance, maybe you take a different keystone if your weapon doesn't do crits
slate notch
It's just A, and A is arguably the strongest build in the game
It's also B if you go IJ
tame sluice
that's not a different build
slate notch
Still not OP even being the A or B builds
tame sluice
it is the same build, with a different keystone that does not change your gameplay in any meaningful way
you think this build isn't overpowered?
slate notch
it is the same build, with a different keystone that does not change your gamepl...
That's why I'm saying it's boring, fine but boring, OP, nope
tame sluice
It's quite close in damage output to the theoretical maximum damage that gun psyker can reach
if they keep up all of their buffs
with Perfectionism on Disrupt Destiny
grizzled aspen
Throw on a relic blade with The Build and you just become a lawnmower.
grizzled aspen
with Perfectionism on Disrupt Destiny
DD is a completely different animal.
The comparison there is not fair in the slightest.
slate notch
So if the zealot is OP what's the ogryn now? I think people just call OP everything that is better than what they use normally or it's in a good position, OP, to me, means that you're pretty much unkillable and zealot certainly isn't
tame sluice
DD is a completely different animal.
It's actually very comparable because Duelist gives you almost the exact same damage as a max stacked Perfectionism DD does
grizzled aspen
So if the zealot is OP what's the ogryn now? I think people just call OP everyth...
Ogryn is strong.
Like he always should've been
tame sluice
You think Zealot isn't unkillable?
hushed knoll
Hi Frogcast 😍😍😍😍
slate notch
Ofc it's strong, it's strongly OP, which is fine, I think the class deserved it but you just can't say it is strong
tame sluice
Maybe this is just me maining psyker thing and every class feels unkillable compared to this 1 ply piece of toilet paper of a class
But I genuinely struggle to damage myself intentionally when running Martydrom on Zealot
because they just do not take damage
I can't just play sloppy on purpose. I have to actually stand there
Or my health does not go down
heady roost
it’s very funny that if you’re about to die
you can just say “nuh uh” for a few seconds and shank people to steal their life force
and be perfectly fine
however that works
slate notch
You think Zealot ***isn't*** unkillable?
No, zealot it isn't unkillable. I've done many 40 havocs both on my zealot and ogryn and I can tell you, at least from my experience, that the ogryn now is easy mode compared to the zealot and I'm NOT saying the zealot is bad by any means, it is very good, just not OP
grizzled aspen
It's actually very comparable because Duelist gives you almost the exact same da...
1% base damage, 2% crit damage, 2.5% precision damage per stack. Normally stacks to 15, meaning 15% base damage, 30% crit damage, and 37.5% precision damage. The kicker here is base damage, it affects the crit and precision damage significantly more than you think it does.
Duellist is really good, yeah, but DD is still not comparable.
Perfectionism (if you can keep your stacks up) makes the gap even wider.
For reference of perfectionism's damage ceiling, 25% base damage, 50% crit damage, 62.5% precision damage.
If you ignored the base damage part of the keystone then duellist would absolutely clown on DD.
grizzled aspen
You think Zealot ***isn't*** unkillable?
Without second wind zealout usually folds like a lawn chair.
carmine falcon
you think this build isn't overpowered?
compared to what other classes do no its not lmao
grizzled aspen
Other toughness generation talents lack the magnitude or are too expensive to grab.
grizzled aspen
For example, vicious offering is great, but its four points and you can't afford it.
carmine falcon
but lets not pretend other classes are not utterly broken
grizzled aspen
On the other end, voice of terra is both expensive and worthless.
tame sluice
Blood Redemption is directly next to scourge
opal star
You think Zealot ***isn't*** unkillable?
grizzled aspen
That's just 5% more toughness on melee kills.
tame sluice
both IJ and BP have toughness regen upgrades
grizzled aspen
It's not super impactful.
And retributor's stance sucks.
And piety's toughness bonus is just 2% on melee kills.
So, bad and lacks magnitude, respectively.
carmine falcon
like im not against nerfing some of the busted talents but only if every other class gets the same treatment
grizzled aspen
like im not against nerfing some of the busted talents but only if every other c...
The only nerfs zealout deserves are kneecapping duellist and slightly dialing second wind back but only if other toughness gen sources become more available and/or second wind becomes cheaper.
carmine falcon
im against kneecapping duelist cause without it makes using melee that dont delete armor somewhat viable
gut that shit and say bye bye to heavy sword in any armor heavy game
what zealot needs is variety
so i dont run THE BUILD TM every game
mint brook
Here are the zealot nodes all12 left side ones
Please note: suffer not has the name doubled, as i dont know a name for it yet
On second thought, its just masters retribution but better
So ignore the double name
lone matrix
begone heretic
twin wagon
Name checks out
grizzled aspen
im against kneecapping duelist cause without it makes using melee that dont dele...
That's an issue of the weapons, not zealouts talent tree.
twin wagon
violet hornet
https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304
Society if Stan wasn't allowed to cook
grizzled aspen
Obese fish needs to buff a lot of weapons carapace adms.
Not saying that a dclaw should 2 shot a crusher but it definitely shouldn't tickle one, either.
mint brook
society if chorus wasn't just command shout but worse
Workin on that
twin wagon
smaul buff when
lone matrix
crusher buff?
mint brook
Reworks act on the premise that fatshark buffs bad weapons like ogryns
lone matrix
would be sweet
frosty herald
crusher buff?
grizzled aspen
crusher buff?
Crusher doesn't need any buffs.
carmine falcon
crusher is unironically perfectly balanced
acoustic dune
the enemy needs more HP <:Haha:1079933221782945823>
lies
it need more armor
frosty herald
ceramite armor
placid fiber
lies
it need more armor
~~ Make trappers carapace~~
acoustic dune
~~ Make trappers carapace~~
carmine falcon
ceramite armor
new havoc modifier
grizzled aspen
~~ Make trappers carapace~~
The Emperor weeps.
placid fiber
I do too
tame sluice
Not saying that a dclaw should 2 shot a crusher but it definitely shouldn't tick...
it is pretty amusing that they learned nothing about this exact same problem in Vermintide 2
Any weapon that cannot kill armor at least somewhat quickly is instantly dogshit
carmine falcon
u can balance it out by bringing a gun that deals with carpace
except im playing le melee class
and i dont wanna vaccum ammo
tame sluice
Like I've said this a lot before during the games release window
But weapons that can kill armor will always have at least okay horde clear because of their (usually) high damage
even if their cleave sucks
Weapons that can't kill armor and are only good at horde clear get hard walled by a single crusher showing up
tame sluice
For example, vicious offering is great, but its four points and you can't afford...
okay but what if we deviate from the build™️ a tiny bit
and take stun grenades
carmine falcon
this works
i also run immo sometimes
but here's the thing
u leave the talents on second wind row and suddenly you're a lot more squishy lmao
so if you wanna optimize you always have to take them
tame sluice
yeah
lone matrix
Any weapon that *cannot* kill armor at least somewhat quickly is instantly dogsh...
dualsword...
looks annoyed at my brother
tame sluice
hey they eventually buffed it to kill armor somewhat quickly
and I still prefer sword and daggers moveset
ain't that something
lone matrix
i used personally sword and dagger
tame sluice
not that I ever played elf much
lone matrix
shade main
tame sluice
lone matrix
https://tenor.com/biVRo.gif
do you hate shades?
tame sluice
shades are vermintides knife zealots
I have had overwhelmingly negative experience with shade players
lone matrix
i stayed by the group and focussed monsters and chaos warriors
used stealth mostly for burst
or ressing other players or carrying barrels
tame sluice
yeah
mint brook
What is zealots?
tame sluice
faster stamina regen
mint brook
But… thats kinda boring no?
tame sluice
I mean you also have 200 base health instead of the 150 that the other 2 humans do
mint brook
Vet gets cover aiming, ogryn gets huge ho and dr, psyker gets a whole ass mechanic to themselves
mint brook
I mean you also have 200 base health instead of the 150 that the other 2 humans ...
Btw i wanted to raise zealots toughness to 100
tame sluice
Now I don't know if this is still true, but I remember a long time ago Zealot used to be literally immune to ranged damage while sliding
Like not just dodges them, even if they hit you while sliding by some miracle it just did nothing
lone matrix
psyker are squishy though
tame sluice
those nodes are lame anyways\
lone matrix
Btw i wanted to raise zealots toughness to 100
psyker now deserve 120-130 baseline thoughness
mint brook
I think it only has 3 left, i wanted to increase zealots base toughness to 100, which is already pretty big
mint brook
psyker now deserve 120-130 baseline thoughness
Even if you JUST consider my left side changes?
Tree is SLIGHTLY outdated at the bottom
Base node is gone in the bottom
tame sluice
biblically accurate skill tree
mint brook
biblically accurate skill tree
Funnily enough, the amount of points spent is less than current, and the amount of nodes is 2 less iirc
The skill tree makes it looks like there is way more
Btw
This is the whole top side
tame sluice
what the heck
mint brook
It has a mistake though, since enduring faith is on the top left side but at 20%
mint brook
what the heck
Yeah, i am nerfing that
Bo worries
I got PLENTY feedback on that
Basically it is 10% tops
Honestly i should have screenshotted the new version
But you get the general idea of each node
The whole tree will be less focused on melee only as a whole, exemption is the right side, more flexibility
placid fiber
what the heck
They're also putting until death as a marty only thing
placid fiber
so if you want that utility you are forced to take martyrdom
sterile stone
https://tenor.com/view/rat-washing-gif-24378147
That thing in pain
acoustic dune
That thing in pain
yeah there are in pain
in pain for having stink line
clever swan
acoustic dune
<a:funky:964302351789867069>
placid fiber
clever swan
placid fiber
modern lintel
just cruised from hav 30-35 w same random group
placid fiber
I got PLENTY feedback on that
And how much have you told people that you're making until death only marty? Making it so that if you want that utility you have to take that keystone <.<
mint brook
Its a crutch perk
placid fiber
It's a choice that you can or can't take, you're removing that choice
placid fiber
It's something skilled zealots don't rely on
mint brook
Its a 90/10 issue
placid fiber
Not true at all
It's a meta pick, but, not everyone takes it
not because they rely on it tho
mint brook
Again 90/10
placid fiber
So you think removing player choice is better?
mint brook
A lot do, good zealots become basically unkillable
Moving a perk to a keystone but giving like 5 other not as op nodes seems fair to me
mint brook
And also nerfing said keystone
How am i nerfing martyrdome?
Yes thats the base, as said, let it simmer
Concept idea =/= finished product
placid fiber
and also removing +2 wounds nerfing marty more
carmine falcon
Its a crutch perk <:peepo_shrug:589522834863161350>
its literally not
red pawn
@Lumii hello it is me again, I was wondering if you had a version of this tree with book instead of FOTF; do I drop one of the nodes in the section in the top right? Or do I just go straight downwards through book section?
placid fiber
@Lumii hello it is me again, I was wondering if you had a version of this tree w...
lumii isn't here anymore
red pawn
Oh 😐
mint brook
8x4 = 4x8
red pawn
lumii isn't here anymore
I assume they’re on break from DT or something?
placid fiber
How am i nerfing martyrdome?
removes +2 wounds and removes damage from lowered wounds "how am I nerfing marty?" <.<
placid fiber
I assume they’re on break from DT or something?
they got banned
mint brook
Concept =/= finished product
carmine falcon
@Lumii hello it is me again, I was wondering if you had a version of this tree w...
there's a handy guide pinned if u want some suggestions on how to build
mint brook
I re-iterate and make myself abundantly clear, let it simmer
placid fiber
its literally not
And you fail to tell everyone you're putting until death as a marty only thing (that's what they want to do btw)
mint brook
And you fail to tell everyone you're putting until death as a marty only thing (...
Its literally absent in the preacher side, so it did get moved
placid fiber
And you fail to say anything about where it moved to
mint brook
Well, that will be eventually revealed
placid fiber
because you know how people will take it
misty nova
What's your idea about martyrdom anyways
mint brook
You make lots of assumption bud
placid fiber
What's your idea about martyrdom anyways
burn on hit instead of damage, until death in marty only
those are 2 things
mint brook
burn on hit instead of damage, until death in marty only
Again base concept
You are going feral about a basic concept and not even giving a chance mate
placid fiber
You're removing player choice on a utility skill
final forge
burn dmg ew
mint brook
Like jesus man
red pawn
they got banned
oof, what happened? fighting over metabuild choices? XD
red pawn
there's a handy guide pinned if u want some suggestions on how to build <:Haha:1...
oh neat! thanks!
misty nova
Why burn on hit?
Dots aren't super reliable
mighty root
@Lumii hello it is me again, I was wondering if you had a version of this tree w...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dab97d4-e787-41b6-a116-d802b6166d19/medic-3?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button feel free to interchange anything
placid fiber
You are going feral about a basic concept and not even giving a chance mate
because you're going on about all these changes and refusing to tell people what you're doing with their utility skill
mint brook
Why burn on hit?
Dots aren't super reliable
Because thats not all martyrdome will do but darkpill makes an insane amount of assumptions when i explained it to him a million times by now
placid fiber
Because thats not all martyrdome will do but darkpill makes an insane amount of ...
Do you need me to pull up what you said about until death?
carmine falcon
its not like its gonna be official
mint brook
because you're going on about all these changes and refusing to tell people what...
If i had everything i would reveal everything
opal star
what's poppin varlets
red pawn
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dab97d4-e787-41b6-a116-d802b6166d19/me...
oooh, thank you
misty nova
Because thats not all martyrdome will do but darkpill makes an insane amount of ...
So I'll ask again
What's your idea for Martyrdom
red pawn
they got banned
P.S. if anybody knows about this, do lemme know, i am curious since the dude was very helpful :(
mint brook
So I'll ask again
What's your idea for Martyrdom
Base concept is fire pew wound and add nodes give you additional buffs per wound plus and other things, you lose the front loaded reward for a exponential one
placid fiber
mint brook
And now the other messages pls and thank you 🙂
misty nova
Base concept is fire pew wound and add nodes give you additional buffs per wound...
What about the melee damage, attack speed or tdr?
placid fiber
What about the melee damage, attack speed or tdr?
don't worry, you'll get until death... that covers everything... totally
mighty root
final forge
wouldnt it make more sense to put burn on a namesake, blazing piety?
mint brook
What about the melee damage, attack speed or tdr?
100% stays
Basically, you get 2 new keystone add but how i wanna go about martyrdome itself and its 2 new adds i have to work on
Especially since i am rn focusing on preacher
placid fiber
And removing +2 wounds btw
mint brook
So basically the 2 add-ons you're planning are dead talents on arrival
Why would it be dead talents on arrival?
carmine falcon
the appeal of marty is u turn into turbo fast maniac dealing great dmg
mint brook
And removing +2 wounds btw
1 kg of feather is lighter than a kg of steel kinda moment
carmine falcon
if u take that away whats the point
opal star
what if marytrdom was based on remaining hp% rather than wounds
carmine falcon
i want to swing my relic blade as fast as a knife
mint brook
Again not gonna repeat myself darkpill
red pawn
P.S. if anybody knows about this, do lemme know, i am curious since the dude was...
nvm i found out why by just searching for their name and scrolling :v
placid fiber
i want to swing my relic blade as fast as a knife
Probably can't without +2 wounds
carmine falcon
its more like i dont see he appeal of the fire stuff
the speed is the selling point
mint brook
its more like i dont see he appeal of the fire stuff
As said let it simmer, once its out, judge the whole middle map of the tree thats cool by my book
copper hawk
Gnarp
mint brook
Just dislike intellectual manipulation and disohnesty
sullen forge
Glorpy
mighty root
Thank you gale that was awesome
carmine falcon
As said let it simmer, once its out, judge the whole middle map of the tree that...
alrighty
sullen forge
misty nova
Why would it be dead talents on arrival?
Because why would you need anything other than melee damage attack speed and tdr on martyrdom
carmine falcon
i want mortis marty in the real game
mighty root
https://tenor.com/view/sogga-serval-what-if-you-exploded-explosion-gif-218252856...
Me playing with my huevos
mint brook
alrighty <:Haha:1079933221782945823>
Genuinely, i had people rip open my reworks sometimes, as long as the commentary is honest and civilized i will take them into consideration, i know you guys have better things to do, but there is a boatload of history here of people critiquing my ogryn rework
opal star
https://tenor.com/view/sogga-egg-serval-serval-cat-gif-17345993264165789002
why so violent to the cheggs
misty nova
What's even the amount of melee damage, attack speed and tdr are you planning to give Martyrdom?
mint brook
What's even the amount of melee damage, attack speed and tdr are you planning to...
That i can not say, the aim is 100% to keep the dps the same relatively
mighty root
why so violent to the cheggs
misty nova
That i can not say, the aim is 100% to keep the dps the same relatively
So I don't need the 2 new add-ons you're planning to add
Is that it?
mint brook
Badically, rn the tree feels like it focuses on a few key nodes to make zealot strong, i wanna make something where no 1 keystone is insane, but the sum of it can end up crazy
heady rapids
final forge
sounds like ramp stats, less at the start and ramps up as wounds are taken
heady rapids
what is this referencing please
mint brook
Is that it?
Nope, not at all 
heady rapids
didn't someone make a post with the optimal tree on reddit and got downvoted???
carmine falcon
Genuinely, i had people rip open my reworks sometimes, as long as the commentary...
im not really trying to critique anything was just curious how fire stuff would fit in but ill wait until u finlize your idea
i do like fire stuff they messed around with in mortis trials
mint brook
Basically, you pick between one or the other, and the last choice will either be the attack speed or the tdr, depending on what should be stronger
placid fiber
Is that it?
Pretty much, they're just throwing until death there so we can't take it on all keystones
mint brook
im not really trying to critique anything <:Haha:1079933221782945823> was just c...
Oh stuff like each enemy on fire replenishing toughness when killed to you and allies
Stuff like that
misty nova
Nope, not at all <:Shrug:1107032650763472936>
Well but the dps will still be relatively the same
And you won't need tdr if until death is there
So basically melee Dmg and attack speed
mint brook
Exactly, what WILL change is the attempt of more utility and durability
sullen forge
didn't someone make a post with the optimal tree on reddit and got downvoted???
Downvote nuked for not being wholesome enough
heady rapids
Downvote nuked for not being wholesome enough
yeah now someone posts this with a MEME tag lmao
misty nova
So now martyrdom is just 2 nodes
misty nova
All other 3 dead on arrival
sullen forge
Omori he’s our soy
mint brook
https://tenor.com/view/omoriboy-soyjak-reddit-gif-2978352279032628597
The hell is this
misty nova
Do I understand this right?
placid fiber
Pretty much
mint brook
mint brook
Do I understand this right?
This is what martyrdome will look like path wise
clever swan
mint brook
Ignore the whole same icon thing, its placeholder
grizzled aspen
okay but what if we deviate from ***the build™️*** a tiny bit
You give up 3 very strong talents (assuming you're not taking flamer) for just vicious offering alone. That, in itself, is expensive.
frosty herald
I think you should add more nodes
Prefferably so you need 25 to reach the bottom of the tree with no other nodes picked
tame sluice
You give up 3 very strong talents (assuming you're not taking flamer) for just v...
I would also probably do this with bolter
mint brook
Prefferably so you need 25 to reach the bottom of the tree with no other nodes p...
Actually, it takes 16
tame sluice
I'm not particularly attached to the stun immunity from twbs
grizzled aspen
No dod with bolter is criminal.
heady rapids
also lmao mandatory middle ability tax
tame sluice
and 25% damage reduction ain't a lot in the grand scheme of things
mint brook
also lmao mandatory middle ability tax
Ogryn shows that the mandatory tax isnt a problem
grizzled aspen
Not toughness, not hp, it's both.
grizzled aspen
Ogryn shows that the mandatory tax isnt a problem <:peepo_shrug:5895228348631613...
This would make sense but lp also has other options instead of taking the aux node.
What you've got there doesn't have that choice, so it's mandatory.
mint brook
Hmm
Not saying i will change it, but consider myself perplexed
I will see what i can do, thanks froglo
grizzled aspen
Also Vold just for funnies you should structure zeal tree to have an outline in the shape of an inquisitorial rosette.
mint brook
Also Vold just for funnies you should structure zeal tree to have an outline in ...
ACTUALLY
it is shaped after something 😄
carmine falcon
a rocket
mint brook
violet hornet
Also Vold just for funnies you should structure zeal tree to have an outline in ...
That's exactly what he's doing
mint brook
ofc cant do the spikes cause they aregoing up and stuff
but yeah, use photopea and you see the shape corresponds 😄
violet hornet
Well maybe something adjacent
final forge
thats the ecclesiacrhy rosette, which prob fits better since zealot
mint brook
thats the ecclesiacrhy rosette, which prob fits better since zealot
my man literally holding it up during chorus
misty nova
This is what martyrdome will look like path wise
So what am I looking at exactly
What each martyrdom node should mean?
pure tree
Aight, so this has to be changed instantly
final forge
in inquisition
carmine falcon
i used chorus like 1 time in my life
i always thought its a book because everyone calls it book
mint brook
So what am I looking at exactly
What each martyrdom node should mean?
no, how the pathing works 🙂
carmine falcon
but its A RELIC AAAAAAAAAA
heady rapids
misty nova
Do you get locked out of tdr/attack speed if you picked one or the other
misty nova
What's the middle one supposed to be
carmine falcon
holy reddit
what's the actual post that spawned this lmao
heady rapids
i used chorus like 1 time in my life
i always thought its a book because everyon...
look at the talent node
carmine falcon
look at the talent node
yeah i know
heady rapids
what's the actual post that spawned this lmao
I think it was lumi and the pin
with zealot talents
mint brook
Do you get locked out of tdr/attack speed if you picked one or the other
nono, so, i knew that would be a worry of people, either tdr or attack speed will be the bottom one, the other one will be on either of two sides, i am still split on wether one path blocks the other
carmine falcon
I think it was lumi and the pin
no way lmfao
final forge
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/g-uWd6fFIeE/maxresdefault.jpg
jusrt sorta replying frogs to make it inquisition but kinda semantics
sullen forge
Aight, so this has to be changed instantly
Surely this won’t be problematic and a must pick talent in every Zealot build
heady rapids
sullen forge
Surely
pure tree
Surely this won’t be problematic and a must pick talent in every Zealot build
Knife, revolver, bolt pistol, laspistol, autopistol on anything ... free toughness loss and stun immunity
misty nova
nono, so, i knew that would be a worry of people, either tdr or attack speed wil...
Ok so what's the middle ones supposed to be or are those the ones you're still working on
Also wouldn't lock out attack speed actually mess with the dps
sullen forge
Knife, revolver, bolt pistol, laspistol, autopistol on anything ... free toughne...
Insp on SAP as well
clever swan
I so greatly prefer the aesthetic of the old talent selection thing and it ain't even close
not a better system for gameplay tho
mint brook
Ok so what's the middle ones supposed to be or are those the ones you're still w...
the dead end node middle one? until death
sullen forge
Literally become fucking unkillable
mint brook
i am still deciding wether i want the heal ontop of that or not
misty nova
the dead end node middle one? until death
So dead talent on arrival
After all it's a crutch
mint brook
why would it be dead 
misty nova
And good zealots don't need it
mint brook
And good zealots don't need it
who said that?
misty nova
Why would I pick Until Death if the tdr on martyrdom makes me immortal
sullen forge
Keep in mind Zealots core mechanic will always be reward for engaging hordes and taking down priority enemies in melee
misty nova
Or the attack speed simply helps killing everything
frosty herald
misty nova
Or the raw damage from martyrdom
frosty herald
Because it has no cooldown
mint brook
Why would I pick Until Death if the tdr on martyrdom makes me immortal
we all get chipped by some dumb stuff like a dumb barrel at some point i see it WAY too often, even on like good zealots
sullen forge
Because it has no cooldown
Kid named poxwalker horde
carmine falcon
this was the firsyt funny haha https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1k0v3am/the_backbone_of_98_of_builds_while_some_still/
sullen forge
Free immunity forever
carmine falcon
then the rest copied
misty nova
we all get chipped by some dumb stuff like a dumb barrel at some point <:peepo_s...
But then I don't need UD because it's only needed at some point
What if I never get to that point
🤷
frosty herald
then the rest copied
They can mock it all they want but its true
misty nova
I'm simply that good 
mint brook
But then I don't need UD because it's only needed at some point
well then why is it a deal that UD gets moved in the first place
misty nova
I don't have a problem with UD
carmine falcon
They can mock it all they want but its true
they seem to be liking it
95% upvoted
sullen forge
They can mock it all they want but its true
No you don’t understand you can play….
heady rapids
this was the firsyt funny haha https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1k0v3a...
THIS ISNT EVEN A MEME
misty nova
It just doesn't make sense to be there on martyrdom if I never need it
heady rapids
IT HAS A DISCUSSION FLAIR YOU CAN TELL THE GUY IS LEGIT
misty nova
It's a dead talent
sullen forge
And get heavily taxed!
misty nova
Just don't pick it
heady rapids
BUT ZEALOT?
frosty herald
they seem to be liking it
The copy posts
heady rapids
NAH MAN YOU'RE GETTING DOWNVOTED
frosty herald
Only zealot and vet is valid
mint brook
It just doesn't make sense to be there on martyrdom if I never need it
what if it was baseline on martyrdome?
sullen forge
Only zealot and vet is valid
Psykers on there way to say they still need a rework
carmine falcon
BUT ZEALOT?
i mean the comments seem to understand the point that the class needs a rework
sullen forge
Idfk
mint brook
cause my issue with until death is that bad zealots use it as a crutch, good zealots use it to practically become immortal
sullen forge
Both need help tree wise imo
carmine falcon
i think you're placing too much importance in stupid upvotes
misty nova
what if it was baseline on martyrdome?
Then that's all on martyrdom ?
You keep the same dps but don't die
So martyrdom itself is a crutch now?
mint brook
so the question is what does one do about it
carmine falcon
its at 85% upvotes and people seem to agree
mint brook
i think you're placing too much importance in stupid upvotes
reddit?
heady rapids
Psykers on there way to say they still need a rework
if I saw a guy saying that unironically I'd kill him on the spot
sullen forge
if I saw a guy saying that unironically I'd kill him on the spot
Dare I say look in Psyker chat
You’ll see it every so often
Lmao
heady rapids
you lyin
frosty herald
You’ll see it every so often
Genuinely braindead
mint brook
Then that's all on martyrdom ?
You keep the same dps but don't die
So martyrdom ...
so what do you suggest then? just let it be stupid broken?
placid fiber
You could always raise the cd on it
frosty herald
How is it stupidly broken?
mint brook
You could always raise the cd on it
the issue is legit tho that it exists
clever swan
psyker rework nah but new staffs for sure which could possibly use some new talents
placid fiber
2 mins is low
sullen forge
Swear on my life and my mommas
placid fiber
the issue is legit tho that it exists
It's a zealot feature that's been there since launch
frosty herald
Until death leaves you on 1 hp
pure tree
Psykers on there way to say they still need a rework
Look all I want is for smite to die
frosty herald
Get clipped twice in melee your dead
mint brook
like very good zealot needs a safety net just once or twice
and well, until death procs
sullen forge
Look all I want is for smite to die
I don’t mind the concept of electric based blitz but my fucking god please change it
I hate it encourages
mint brook
aka, that insane player from nigh unkillable, to a damn primarch
placid fiber
until death doesn't keep you alive, it's holy rev that does
sullen forge
Hold M2 gameplay
mint brook
until death doesn't keep you alive, it's holy rev that does
okay okay, so listen herei have an insane proposition
sullen forge
Electric staff and smite were swapped
REVERT IT
placid fiber
okay okay, so listen herei have an insane proposition
I have one too
sullen forge
Fuck I’d rather that
heady rapids
I sorted reddit by controversial
placid fiber
Move holy rev to marty
heady rapids
y'all won't believe what I'm looking at
sullen forge
Then what it currently is now
mint brook
since every class has some DEFINING feature, vet has cover shooting, psyker has peril, ogryn is a brick house of stats, how about zealot has it as a passive then?
pure tree
Zealot has cover shooting
heady rapids
placid fiber
since every class has some DEFINING feature, vet has cover shooting, psyker has ...
It was a base feature before
heady rapids
look at this shit
undone pewter
The psyker one is so funny
mint brook
Zealot has cover shooting
yeah yeah you caught me
opaque island
zealot has charging in and murdering everything
heady rapids
undone pewter
heady rapids
LITERALLY BELOW IT
sullen forge
Zealot has cover shooting
Veteran has lost its passive…..
It’s very useful passive….
frosty herald
Coruscanguardfox should explode
heady rapids
IS A POST ABOUT DS DESERVING NERFS
sullen forge
Darktide has fallen
heady rapids
DOWNVOTED INTO HELL
placid fiber
It’s very useful passive….
I legit didn't know about that until more recently tho
frosty herald
Optimizing the fun out of the game
grizzled aspen
It just doesn't make sense to be there on martyrdom if I never need it
It does make sense as it synergizes with the keystone and prevents nooblings from taking it on IJ or piety builds.
mint brook
It was a base feature before
so we increase the cd and make it base
sullen forge
Billions must worship Nurgle
heady rapids
darktide is never getting back
frosty herald
No you neanderthal the talents are too good to pass up
grizzled aspen
You don't need it, but it's a necessary evil.
placid fiber
so we increase the cd and make it base <:peepo_shrug:589522834863161350>
Here's an idea, make until death have a 240s cd
mint brook
the issue is, until death will always be a pick for most players just because of what it will offer
winter oxide
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d557cce-b721-4f23-a757-0443ab1fe7ae/spike-remover-boltgun-chorus-blades-of-faith
is this a good rashad build?
mint brook
bad players get to potentially luck out, and great players just ... dont die
so it fundamentally needs to be restricted to a keystone or as a base passive
placid fiber
bad players get to potentially luck out, and great players just ... dont die
only if they choose holy rev and survive bs for 4 minutes straight
heady rapids
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/dEV0QqjxDR
omg it gets worse
the first comment is just flat out misinformation
final forge
after a talent rework, how are we at holy rev vs twbs again 😛
sullen forge
The fuck does it say lmao
mint brook
after a talent rework, how are we at holy rev vs twbs again 😛
twbs?
misty nova
It does make sense as it synergizes with the keystone and prevents nooblings fro...
So it's a dead talent
placid fiber
so it fundamentally needs to be restricted to a keystone or as a base passive
a base passive sounds like a better idea, rather than just making marty zealots even more unkillable
final forge
we're talking bout crutches so im bringin up twbs again lol
void bison
mint brook
a base passive sounds like a better idea, rather than just making marty zealots ...
martyrd seems like a 50/50 thing
heady rapids
we're talking bout crutches so im bringin up twbs again lol
twbs got indirectly nerfed tho
mint brook
there are good and bad players that just hate its guts or love it to death
sullen forge
I love how the defense of loner aura is “it doesn’t spawn extra specials when you’re alone”
You know what also doesn’t?
final forge
stagger immune to melee and ranged pretty stronk
sullen forge
Your team being alive
heady rapids
I love how the defense of loner aura is “it doesn’t spawn extra specials when yo...
IT DOESNT DO THAT
sullen forge
Lmao
frosty herald
I love how the defense of loner aura is “it doesn’t spawn extra specials when yo...
This is a complete lie
sullen forge
Literally even if it “did”
placid fiber
there are good and bad players that just hate its guts or love it to death <:pee...
Yes and the only problem I had initially is you removing player choice from it. It getting nerfed means nothing to me
mint brook
IT DOESNT DO THAT
i was about to say
carmine falcon
LITERALLY BELOW IT
errmmm akswally just take it away from zealot poor psyker
sullen forge
LMAO
carmine falcon
are these people serious
heady rapids
IT HAS A FUCKLOAD OF BUZZWORDS IN ITS CODE
frosty herald
punishment spawns
mint brook
my issue is just i rather attack the root and the branches
heady rapids
BUT IT LITERALLY ONLY GIVES YOU TOUGHNESS REGEN
frosty herald
You mean last man standing spawns?
red pawn
I think smite shouldn't be nerfed because I have a massive skill issue, and when i see somebody spamming it, i go "ah a fellow scrub"
I think DS should be nerfed however, because those without skill issues use it and when i see somebody use it I go "scrub or tryhard? hmmmmmmm"
(im not even joking)
mint brook
like the cd will never be an issue, you could make it once per map, people would still take it, at least the good players would
frosty herald
And that this dumb fucking redditor is thinking that last man standing is punishment
sullen forge
You mean last man standing spawns?
If you’re being forced into LMS spawns then you 100% deserve the learn of die treatment
frosty herald
100%
heady rapids
wait
sullen forge
Cause like
misty nova
I think smite shouldn't be nerfed because I have a massive skill issue, and when...
They should only nerf the cleave on lights of the dueling sword
Really bring the duel to dueling sword
heady rapids
can you not sort by controversial on pc
mint brook
i mean if there are nutters that could make pre rework ogryn work on havoc40 , you dont wanna see those guys play zealot
grizzled aspen
So it's a dead talent
For you? Yeah. Enjoy your free extra point to put somewhere else.
frosty herald
Redditors would say some dumb shit like other weapons need to be buffed instead of DS being nerfed
red pawn
They should only nerf the cleave on lights of the dueling sword
Really bring th...
yeah fair, i mained saltzpyre back on VT2 and the rapier was stronger in hordes but didn't do such crazy single target; i think either extreme would work smoother than DT's version
frosty herald
Their damnation clear rate plumeting when it gets nerfed
heady rapids
jesus fucking christ
sullen forge
Yam I just spit up blood is that healthy
carmine falcon
the posters in the zealot parody post seemed to at least somewhat agree that tree needs a rework
the other threads are just 💀
misty nova
Ok so Loner
It's basically a tg modifier
But we need to test dog aggro
frosty herald
Yam I just spit up blood is that healthy
Radiation poisoning
mint brook
i will eventually make a note about until death, where i will put it on martyrdome, but in the thoughts section i can specifically ask people to give their feedback on that one and what the alternative choice would be
undone pewter
Yam I just spit up blood is that healthy
Talks about darktide balance too much it makes you cough up blood. Curious.
mint brook
i think thats the best compromise, its giving people the open invitation basically
sullen forge
Loner should just be completely changed into something or completely reworked
heady rapids
Ok so Loner
It's basically a tg modifier
But we need to test dog aggro
it has no coherency code
carmine falcon
i will refuse any attempt at touching until death until confidant strike is removed from the game
shrimple as
!!
misty nova
it has no coherency code
Oh I guess that's the theory out of the question
sullen forge
i will refuse any attempt at touching until death until confidant strike is remo...
Based take
opaque island
it has no coherency code
are you saying it just doesnt work?
heady rapids
are you saying it just doesnt work?
its intended
mint brook
i will refuse any attempt at touching until death until confidant strike is remo...
i mean, i keep saying ogryns toughness regen is way too high
twin wagon
Misinformation remains
heady rapids
it has a string named zealot_count_as_two_coherency or some shit that is actually a toughness regen modifier
carmine falcon
its not way too high it breaks the game
twin wagon
People still think loner does something
red pawn
Radiation poisoning
or character in B-rated chinese media
carmine falcon
as long as u have things to stab you're immortal
opaque island
it has a string named zealot_count_as_two_coherency or some shit that is actuall...
does that stack ontop of coherency?
carmine falcon
like wot
mint brook
more on some than on others, if they simply gave it a cooldown of 2s it wouldnt break the game anymore
heady rapids
does that stack ontop of coherency?
idk and i really wouldnt waste my time testing it on loner
opaque island
whats the fucking point of ever taking loner then
misty nova
It's not Fortitude in Fellowship
mint brook
like every 2 or 3 seconds you could proc that
carmine falcon
whats the fucking point of ever taking loner then
none
mint brook
whats the fucking point of ever taking loner then
i am an edgy teenager, i am the lone wolf, i dont need nobody
heady rapids
im pretty sure fatshark devs and ppl that actually make talent desc dont communicate w/ each other
mint brook
heady rapids
cause you can check loner code and its gonna be littered with string names that would make you think it affects coherency
mint brook
im pretty sure fatshark devs and ppl that actually make talent desc dont communi...
they 100% dont
heady rapids
legit named counts as two in coherency or something
mint brook
the quality varied WILDLY across each talent tree on release
frosty herald
Gale has probably died
sullen forge
Gale has probably died
I think it’s allergies
misty nova
whats the fucking point of ever taking loner then
If you're alone you Regen toughness
mint brook
and the constant inconsistencies led me to believe that the talent tree were handled by at least 2 different people that didnt communicate with each other
opal star
we miss gale so much
it's like we can still hear their voice
final forge
@mint brook should prob add the ranged part to the tooltip for twbs, kinda irks me that its not mentioned in it since the getgo. just for transparency
opaque island
If you're alone you Regen toughness
if you're playing the game well you SHOULDNT be alone like almost ever
imo
sullen forge
Since it interrupts
Catch a Breath if it was an aura and dog shit
misty nova
But guess what Regen your toughness if you're alone AND helps the team Regen toughness?
That's right
Fortitude in Fellowship
Round of applauses for FF
opal star
If you're alone you Regen toughness
"if you're alone"
live ai director reaction:
acoustic dune
https://tenor.com/view/nosferatu-ellen-hutter-wolf-meme-jjongvillee-gif-87080956...
furry when
werewolf
sullen forge
The sudden realization that Catch a Breath on Vet is literally just
twin wagon
werewolves are not furry
acoustic dune
werewolves are not furry
how are you sure?
acoustic dune
are you a werewolf?
sullen forge
Zealot doesn't get CDR from specials kills
It does from crits though
twin wagon
how are you sure?
Yes, that's like saying ulfger are furries because they wear wolf pelts
sullen forge
Teehee
opal star
fandom I dont think that's a
heady rapids
Zealot doesn't get CDR from specials kills
oh dont worry zealot gets cdr checks notes from playing the game
twin wagon
Some werewolves are furries
But not all werewolves
acoustic dune
Yes, that's like saying ulfger are furries because they wear wolf pelts
i mean
sullen forge
No that is a Chaos Spawn
acoustic dune
if i have a human pelt
misty nova
Loner
Loner but good
Since it shouldn't stop because a melee enemy targeted you
Right?
Right?
opaque island
Yes, that's like saying ulfger are furries because they wear wolf pelts
I mean they do turn into wolves sometimes dont they? or am i mixing up another regiment
opal star
fandom that's not
misty nova
I didn't really check that's why I'm asking
twin wagon
I mean they do turn into wolves sometimes dont they? or am i mixing up another r...
They are a historical scout in proto germanic tribes and early Nordic culture
carmine falcon
***fandom that's not***
fandom sometimes shows thumbnail from different article
twin wagon
Not some quirky warhammer imitator
carmine falcon
they're that bad
twin wagon
***fandom that's not***
Beast of Ogryn
carmine falcon
https://tenor.com/view/man-indian-shhh-gif-14642725654883581518
misty nova
opal star
did fantom just fart in my face
carmine falcon
yes
opaque island
They are a historical scout in proto germanic tribes and early Nordic culture
when you said ulfger, i thought you meant to spell Ulfgar from Rogue Trader
carmine falcon
he skibidded on your toilet
opaque island
rip bozo
opaque island
but I dont like the throwing knife 
carmine falcon
updoots to the left
heady rapids
console players being unable to use knives (cause they're bad at the game)
heady rapids
what is the dump stat for mk8 braced autogun?
what does it have
frosty herald
but I dont like the throwing knife <:angrybean:884516341028098068>
I dont its why i path through stuns
carmine falcon
if only stuns were good 😔
carmine falcon
i like immo at least
carmine falcon
do they? i grinded the penance real fast in mortis
winter oxide
what does it have
carmine falcon
they just ran into it and died
winter oxide
this is what it says on the doc
heady rapids
when in doubt drop mobility
sullen forge
dont enemies literally avoid immo pools?
Mutants will path around them if they don’t need too
winter oxide
ok
sullen forge
If they have too they’ll run through it
final forge
@mint brook also fire on hit would prob be better on blazing cus usually ppl take fotf so atk spd and the charge itself would prob apply stacks so spamming f seems to make more sense, at least thats what i think
carmine falcon
i dont even immos needed they're just fun
with relic blade u dont need a cc nade
you're the cc 
visual blade
the mk7 listed is the mk8 we have
heady rapids
is there a reason why the mk8 isnt listed in the doc?
there's a typo
winter oxide
oh i see
visual blade
not typo. it used to be the mk7 but they renamed it
heady rapids
but never 4........
visual blade
false info
heady rapids
yeah they renamed everything half a year ago = typo
carmine falcon
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/ECDJzpdaYE
except the psn stuff was not that unhinged
heady rapids
visual blade
there's never 4 but there can be less
winter oxide
so this mk8 braced autogun is just for horde clear?
visual blade
all of the braced autoguns are for horde clear mostly
winter oxide
i see
twin wagon
why did this guy get downvoted???????????
It's reddit he is telling people how to play
So the hivemind malds and downvotes
clever swan
I'm still getting used to jumping after changing jump to alt a couple days ago
clever swan
I bet that person is totally serious too
winter oxide
what melee weapons do people usually pair this braced autogun with?
final forge
its a skillcheck on urself, you meant to dodge but jumped get better. mines not changed either i feel the pain QQ
heady rapids
visual blade
what melee weapons do people usually pair this braced autogun with?
anything, really
something at least relatively mobile
winter oxide
ok
heady rapids
winter oxide
im using it with the rashad axe build i found
tame sluice
pressing jump again while dodging does infact make you jump
visual blade
last time i checked that happens when you're SUPER out of dodges
plucky sparrow
Only if you’re spamming jump lmao
visual blade
when they aren't even effective anymore
clever swan
you jump when you spam dodge
visual blade
and that too
tame sluice
regardless of how many dodges you have left
plucky sparrow
you can still do the like nanometer dodges infinitely
heady rapids
dudes are probably -10 in dodge count if that happens
twin wagon
Yeen is right
misty nova
since when do you jump when out of dodges?
Never
You miss time the dodge and you'll jump
visual blade
odd
clever swan
it's not that bad in some ways becsuse jumping takes nearly as long as the dodge reset
visual blade
also really doesn't do anything
twin wagon
Jumping makes you more vulnerable to knockback
tame sluice
a jump doesn't dodge shit and can get you killed
plucky sparrow
it's not that bad in some ways becsuse jumping takes nearly as long as the dodge...
(Watching them eat an overhead immediately after landing)
visual blade
sure but like
sullen forge
There’s a reason I have dodge binded to Mouse 5
twin wagon
If you jump while anything pushes you it has almost twice the effect
sullen forge
Aka a side key
visual blade
when does knockback come into play if not getting pushed by dogs or being exploded by a burster
or a barrel
sullen forge
Comfortable and not an accidental dodge that’ll get me killed
clever swan
If you jump while anything pushes you it has almost twice the effect
this might actually be a good thing tbh
twin wagon
If I see a dodge jumper and detonate a barrel by accident, they are getting catapulted
mint brook
<@195579079917961216> also fire on hit would prob be better on blazing cus usual...
middle will be very good with fire 🙂
misty nova
a jump doesn't dodge shit and can get you killed
Getting shot by sniper when you jump instead of dodging should be a canon event to most players
mint brook
VERY good
heady rapids
i have shift dodge and space to jump
misty nova
visual blade
i have shift dodge and space to jump
where sprint
heady rapids
alt
plucky sparrow
Getting shot by sniper when you jump instead of dodging should be a canon event ...
(Insert video of ogryn mid air dying to a sniper)
visual blade
skyrim moment
twin wagon
My jump is on shift and my dodge on space, sprint on alt
carmine falcon
why did this guy get downvoted???????????
title not wholesome enough
chungus keanu
final forge
middle will be very good with fire 🙂
some ppl complain the piety is just crit so really meh and just to spam fotf, so now you get crit cdr and fire stacks but guess we'll see the end product
heady rapids
heady rapids
god forbid people try to help newbies not die
clever swan
gnarp
heady rapids
from fatshark's shitty keybinds
carmine falcon
final forge
some ppl complain the piety is just crit so really meh and just to spam fotf, so...
not me though i play marty so piety is meh and ij even more meh
copper hawk
Literally leading a horse to water
plucky sparrow
I won’t change my jump off dodge key simply because my brain hates it
mint brook
some ppl complain the piety is just crit so really meh and just to spam fotf, so...
the idea is that generally, new zealot will be overall much better than current zealot
copper hawk
They just
clever swan
really gotta wonder how the redditors could all be in such unison against it
mint brook
around the level of new ogryn, not as broken, but around the vague ballpark
copper hawk
Cant live with the reality they might be wrong lmfao
final forge
hopefully a rework makes it better than its predacessor O.o
mint brook
i mean he isnt wrong, but why make life hard for yourself
copper hawk
Slop tuah
violet hornet
"it's impossible to do right"
"I don't need to rebind because I can do it consistently and so can anyone"
heady rapids
DOWNVOTED
twin wagon
DOWNVOTED
misty nova
twin wagon
harsh jungle
Imagine shitting on reddit while being on 'reddit, but with voicechat'
plucky sparrow
smh imagine being downvoted
violet hornet
Le reddit moment
harsh jungle
It's a good bit, I'll admit.
heady rapids
but yeah there's a lot of advantages discord has
part of it being that we're not a board and you can have a direct discussion without waiting for ppl to comment
sterile stone
why y'all downvoting him LMAO
harsh jungle
As if this was a discussion about features and not mentality.
heady rapids
so at the very least shit doesnt get hidden cause reddit hivemind sees big downvoted comment
so they downvote
heady rapids
if i see a comment with a lot of upvotes i upvote
the site itself is structured in a way that discourages having opinions
frosty herald
Because most people here barely finish heresy runs in 40 minutes.
i like this comment
its very true about darktide reddit
hard nexus
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/UEy49k6cbV
no guys trust me ogryn is completely fine
ogryn just needs some slight tweaks
theres nothing wrong with him at all
void bison
I am having decision paralysis on my dragon's hoard of backlog games to play
I almost want to install darktide again
hard nexus
heady rapids
i wanna play monster hunter but i dopnt want to play the old games and i ran out of content in wilds
hard nexus
i wanna play monster hunter but i dopnt want to play the old games and i ran out...
play dauntless !
void bison
void bison
dauntless is doing very well last I checked!
harsh jungle
Backlogs exist as a point of pride. Play something you've already put hundreds of hours in and let that log grow!
void bison
it's doing super awesome!!
carmine falcon
one of the games of all time u could say
heady rapids
hard nexus
i sense a troll
who meeee??? i would NEVER!!!!+
heady rapids
maybe i should check on my bakclog....
hard nexus
heady rapids
ok chat youre gonna decide what im gonna play today
undone pewter
if i see a comment with a lot of upvotes i upvote
Go on reddit
say something objectively true
get downvoted
someone says the same thing as you after you
upvoted
ivory marlin
heady rapids
let me present you some choices rq