zealot-class

[jagged crag]

I disagree. Zealots high Spike Damage due to being loaded to the throat with Crits allows them to be better at getting very fast picks. They can delete specials and armored units near instantly, and then fall back into melee rotation seamlessly.
They can move around absurdly fast and with little to stop them, letting them reposition for those picks almost effortlessly.

[carmine falcon]

its honestly pretty funny how zealot is the only class with no real ranged builds

or talents

outside like 3

lmao

[copper hawk]

Yeah

[solar gorge]

the empror's boolet

[jagged crag]

Ogryn is great right now, but they still have to absolutely bash their way to those picks, while Zealot can just pull up and hit on your girl.

[stone fern]

you ask for too much

[carmine falcon]

thankfully we're "Broken" in melee

[copper hawk]

That's one build

Youre talking about the dueling sword build

Granted all of that is right - but about the dueling sword

[misty ravine]

Shroudfield should let you move through enemies

[copper hawk]

Pick up a heavy sword 9, or a dclaw, or a taxe and make a similar assessment about armored enemy to chaff kill ratios being high in hordes

Ogryns can cleave reapers

Relic blade can compete with Ogryn in the same territory with how mindless it is

[frosty herald]

zealot should be a frontline dps

[copper hawk]

Press button, swing, watch number go up

[frosty herald]

explode

[copper hawk]

Great pen, cleaves what an oggy can cleave, alright damage distro

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/true-ted-bear-plush-there's-so-much-true-gif-12048046099970672084

[carmine falcon]

relic blade slander

[copper hawk]

But it's ogryn for a few seconds then back to like this mutated abomination of vet psword and a dclaw

It's like taking bane juice that wears off

I digress

[solar gorge]

relic blade is allowed tho bc it's kino

[carmine falcon]

i mean if you're good with relic u pretty have have 100% uptime

[copper hawk]

What I'm saying is that youre right Minus - but that only applies to two, maybe three, weapons

[carmine falcon]

i like the heat management

[copper hawk]

Knife, dsword, and maybe relic

[carmine falcon]

ig that's true

[copper hawk]

Otherwise you see the weaknesses of zeal massively, and the overlap with ogryn

All of what minus said is true with those weapons

It's where zealot clearly excels

And what is RIGHT with zeal now - we want to keep that crit build when we move over

[carmine falcon]

the only zealot weapons i see in higher diffs outside knife ds4 and relic blade are hammers somtimes and MAYBE crusher

[jagged crag]

The whole game has issues with certain weapons simply vibing well with their classes and builds, while others don't.

[copper hawk]

It's a build that distinguishes us from Ogryn

Buuuut w nerfs lmfak

Lmfao*

Mostly to the weapons

The build is generally fine

[carmine falcon]

i wish people would bring evis into boss malestroms
its so good against bosses

[mint brook]

Would it be op if fortitude would double coherency regeneration for you and allies?

[copper hawk]

But like, crit tdr and duelist need to be split up or reduced

[jagged crag]

Also, Blazing Piety can be used to basically turn any weapon into a crit weapon.

[copper hawk]

Any coherency regen talent is worthless

Make it do something else in coherency

[solar gorge]

no

[mint brook]

How makes it so bad?

[copper hawk]

If you make a coherency regen talent im not taking it

[solar gorge]

you have to be outside of combat

[copper hawk]

Coherency doesnt work in melee

We are a melee class

Coherency regen*

[mint brook]

🤔 what if fortitude disabled that?

[copper hawk]

It reinforces zealots to stay out of combat

Now THAT would be huge

[solar gorge]

broken

[copper hawk]

Yep

Lmfao

Power creep

[jagged crag]

That and some weapons were, IMO, added without a specific niche in mind.

[copper hawk]

Aaueuughehauueuugufh

What was ur like idea for the trees again vold

Like the 3 paths

[mint brook]

Okay listen here:
fortitude
+25% coherency radius, you and allies in coherency keep regenerating toughness in melee

[copper hawk]

And where would ur Fortitude go

[mint brook]

Is that better?

Middle

Since it is more supportive

[copper hawk]

[jagged crag]

I'd say no to that entirely.

[copper hawk]

I like the idea

Tbh something like that hasnt been done before

[jagged crag]

Instead, just make it a universal rule that ALL Coherency bonuses don't deactivate in melee combat

[copper hawk]

Anything that hasnt been done before in a talent or utilizes a very little known quirk of the game is good for like 2 or 3 talents

It's why I like the idea of the Ogryn parry everything talent

[jagged crag]

I don't like optional band-aid fixes when a new universal behavior would be better

[copper hawk]

Since Perfect Block is not utilized like at all in dtide

[jagged crag]

This isn't Dead By Daylight

[mint brook]

I mean i see it as less of an issue

[copper hawk]

Only thing that turns off from coherency in combat is tness regen

[mint brook]

And more of a class specific issue

[copper hawk]

Otherwise all coherency talents are still in effect

Eg 5% dmg in coherency, talents like that etc

I honestly like that idea vold good job

[solar gorge]

would've to be tested because it could end up busted due to interacting with other coherency regen buffs

[copper hawk]

Yeah

Ogryn and Zeal workin 2gether..

[solar gorge]

actually i'm p sure it would be broken af

[copper hawk]

Massive tness regen talent in oggy tree

Working with Zeal..

[mint brook]

If op, one could introduce instead a toughness regen debuff when enemies are in melee with you instead of straight up removing is

[carmine falcon]

idk why but "hotfix 66" got a laugh out of me

[jagged crag]

Honestly, that could be fixed as well.
Toughness Regeneration via Coherency now works in Melee Combat.
Toughness Regen via Coherency is shut off for 3 seconds upon taking Toughness Damage.

[carmine falcon]

this game got patched 66 times

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/rank-anime-brotherhood-gif-22709063

[carmine falcon]

and runs like pooppoooo

[copper hawk]

Nah anything that procs off tness damage is kinda bleh

[misty ravine]

The time has come
Execute hotfix 66

[copper hawk]

Especially w a melee class

[solar gorge]

maybe allow coherency regen even in melee but only half of whatever ur getting idk

[copper hawk]

Ur getting hit a lot

Maybe off hp damage perhaps

It's kinda why empy's retri sucks

It procs off any stray lasbolt or bullet or

Idk poxwalker hawk tuahing nurgle's gift onto u into a horde

And then it's on cooldown

[jagged crag]

Well, you wouldn't want to make Toughness Regen via Coherency something that can be stacked to completely avoid all damage. Early in the games life, that was KIND of a thing.

[mint brook]

What is the formula for coherency regen?

[stone fern]

"Fixed an issue where players could fail to dodge-slide when using weapons with quick but short dodges."

[copper hawk]

Nah

Vold is right

And minus

Just make it work without buffs from other classes

It's on but it's only whatever zealot also takes to boost tness regen

In a sort of support tree

So it reinforces zealot doing 3 things

Staying in combat
Staying with team
Taking other support talents

But other class talents dont work in combat, eg, ogryn towering presence or whatever it's called now

[jagged crag]

Don't forget Curios. That was the issue back at launch.

[copper hawk]

To avoid 5 morbillion tness situations

Troo

Maybe have an in combat out of combat thing, or word it so it sounds like it does something out of combat

Idk bigger radius like u said vold, in combat tness regen buffed and doesnt turn off

[solar gorge]

it's either it interacts with nothing and you get base regen or it's lowered by a flat 50% of whatever you're getting with all the buffs

[copper hawk]

Cuz tness regen out of combat is sooooo sloooow

Even at max coherency

[jagged crag]

Also, I always look at it from the point of view of:

What is the most simple way to address an issue that doesn't require a massive rework?

I think like this because it's easier to get changes that require less tinkering than it is to demand new and complex systems.

[copper hawk]

It'd have to be worth the point

[mint brook]

Can anyone tell me the coherency toughness regen formula?

[copper hawk]

Probably path

[copper hawk]

Troo

What do we think of the following talents:
fortitude in fellowship
Anoint in blood
Purge the unclean
The voice of terra
Restoring faith

Copying what vold said to remember for myself

Anoint and Purge are fine, fixing the talent tree will make them great

[mint brook]

So how much toughness do you regen per person?

Is 0.5 if its one ally nearby?

[jagged crag]

Also, I don't know if all Coherency Regen is formulated together, or separately with the results then being calculated together. If it is the former, making anything that has separate Toughness Regen behaviors will require rewriting the Toughness Regen calculations into two separate functions that are then calculated together at the end.
If it's the ladder, then yes, it can be easily manipulated so you get separate behaviors of the base effect and the bonus effects.

[jagged crag]

I know that a lot of things are tracked separately and flagged in DT, as the devs wanted to be able to differentiate them even if they didn't have a reason to upon release.
This is good, since it allows them to be manipulated separately from other functions.
I simply don't know the depth of this, though.

[mint brook]

Thanks 🙂

[copper hawk]

Chimkn jonky..

[misty nova]

Fragging hilarious that Fortitude in Fellowship gives you ~1.8 tg when by yourself

Because of how it interacts with coherency regen formula

[copper hawk]

Me to the red barrel when a smyker is around it

[copper hawk]

4 stacks of fire isnt vry good

Like at all

I think 5 or 6 is what the flamer applies as 76 burn

Which both do the most damage

Just leave purge alone tbh

It's perfectly fine as is

[solar gorge]

it's like that one ogryn talent, 2 stacks of fire on explosion, funniest shit

[mint brook]

What if enemies on fire took also more damage from all sources?

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

Now that's pawesome

Cuz it applies to everythin in the radius of a giant fuck ass explosion

[solar gorge]

2 stacks is like

30 dmg

[copper hawk]

Maybe ,, if ur new tree still has scourge

It'd have to be like

[mint brook]

Scourge? Never heard of her!

[solar gorge]

ok i'm exaggerating it's more like a whopping 50

[copper hawk]

At the top of the tree though otherwise no one would take it

But tbh just leave purge

[mint brook]

Scourge still kinda exists, but it is bleed only!

[copper hawk]

Again, it's fine

Same w anoint

Only issue they have is we cant afford to take those talents

Unless we want to drop important shit like

FF and GB, or DoD and TWBS

[mint brook]

Scourge is gonna lose the crit component

All imma say

[copper hawk]

:<

[mint brook]

Scourge is gonna serve the right tree in bleed and backstab

[copper hawk]

Leave scourge

It honestly kinda sucks

[mint brook]

To move away from the whole (me crit)

[copper hawk]

It doesnt proc on enemies you instantly kill

[mint brook]

It wont when i am done 😉

[copper hawk]

It works only for weapons that dont kill things fasr

Fast*

And those weapons are built around crits

Taxe, dclaw, etc

[mint brook]

Basically, i want scourge, purge and vicious to all be meh talents, but will be great with the sum of its parts

[copper hawk]

If you drop the crit component you just drive a wedge between the kill everything instantly weapons and the weapons that struggle to accomplish a fundamental warrior task that zealot had (horde clear/management)

[mint brook]

So they are meh on their own, but stack exponentially the further down the tree you go

[copper hawk]

Scourge doesnt benefit busted weapons, it benefits weapons that struggle

[mint brook]

Yes but why not taking the ogryn approach of fixing those weapons

[copper hawk]

I think each talent should be strong on its own

There shouldnt be an "intended way" to build a class other than a general idea of what you're going for

They should compliment eachother, not need eachother

That's how the Oggy tree is built

[mint brook]

Yes but for vicious scourge and purge i wanna make an exception since they all three will be the entry nodes on each side if that makes sense

[copper hawk]

And any time someone who develops something tries to enforce an "intended way" to play it's always to the player's detriment

[mint brook]

Oh i know

[copper hawk]

It kills creativity, stifles unique builds, and is effectively just another point tax

[mint brook]

I try to not shoehorn a player into”you are this only!”

[misty ravine]

Pushing talent synergies usually leads to that in practice

[mint brook]

Basically, the very entry nodes are meant to be either a meh but neat bonus, or really strong when building for it

I increased it to up to 7 stack, attacks apply 2 stacks instead of 1 and i am thinking of enemies on fire taking 5% more damage from all sources

That fair?

Why 7? you’ll see why

But does the bonus sound neat now?

At the least

[copper hawk]

I guess sure

But scourge still needs to increase crit chance on an enemy afflicted by it tbh

Otherwise crit weapons will always need to take scourge

Sorry, Shred

[mint brook]

I am thinking of something else for it

[copper hawk]

And if they dont have Shred then those crit builds won't work anymore

Or not as well

[mint brook]

What if it gave rend for example?

[copper hawk]

Nooooo thanks rending is kinda nuts

[mint brook]

Good xD

[copper hawk]

Put that towards the bottom of the tree, on the crit side, if at all

[mint brook]

Then i wont do it

Hmm

[copper hawk]

U kinda need it now cuz everyone else has rending, but we'd be kinda busted w it - but so is everyone else

[mint brook]

I want right tree to focus on mechanical skill, backstabs and bleed

[copper hawk]

Keep rending on fury of the faithful of course

It's what makes it work

[mint brook]

Like right tree is meant to play into the whole “dont get hit” mentality

[copper hawk]

And makes Zealot different to Veteran and Oggy

And it'd kill a lot of builds if it lost its 100% rending

[mint brook]

Here, this should be better 🙂

I want middle tree to basically embody the whole “oh yeah, i was 100% meaning to support you!”

You know, the kinda player that got forced into picking the support so they pick the most aggressive one out of the bunch?

Which, imo, works for banisher zealot

[mint brook]

Opinion pls on:
backstabber
Blood redemption
Scourge
Second wind

[visual stream]

Have you taken up the mantle?

[acoustic dune]

no...
i cant take the mantle of the ferret god

I AM THE FERRET POPE

[placid fiber]

Second wind: op, scourge: key to crit tdr/cd rate on a lot of weapons, blood redemption: only taken on non-crit weapons, backstabber: there

[mint brook]

Last one is funny :p

[placid fiber]

I mean... it really is just a connector

just like disdain and ewew

the talent before twbs is kind of a connector talent, but, on some guns it can come in clutch

[elfin thorn]

true. comes in clutch for throwing knives 😉

[placid fiber]

I can't tell you how many times I've had the talent before twbs help on the autopistol and brauto

It really helps with snipers

[wooden dove]

Kinda silly that a regular chainsword is better than a two-handed heavy eviscerator.

[copper hawk]

Evis hasnt been significantly changed in a while

It's by far our worst weapon

Perhaps the worst weapon in the game

[placid fiber]

cough mk1 dclaw COUGH

[sullen forge]

The roller coaster that is the Vigils

[placid fiber]

I thought they could be good(the mk7) for snipers in the mortis trials... bolt pistol is still the superior option

the vigilant autoguns suck so bad vs maniac tho

[placid fiber]

but yeah one of the few weapons worse than the mk3 eviscerator is the mk1 dclaw... otherwise it's a toss up between the shock mauls and the mk15 eviscerator

maybe the achlys caxe is worse due to the terrible horde clear on it

[copper hawk]

Shock mauls function

Theyre just not good

D1 claw can swap to the other dclaws

[mint gorge]

Do you think a blazing piety toughness DR build or IJ+Purge the Unclean is better for Relic Blade?

[copper hawk]

Evises dont work + both stink compared to other weapons

[placid fiber]

by that rule the mk3 eviscerator can swap

[misty nova]

15 is goated though

[wooden dove]

I have an assault chainsword and a heavy eviscerator.

The regular chainsword can stagger both kinds of ragers with light attack spam, which is very cool.

The eviscerator, which is a heavier two-handed version of the chainsword, just pisses them off.

I mean, I suppose the eviscerator has slightly better moveset for clearing out trash mobs...but it's not like they're hard to clear out, and being able to stagger most enemies on light attack spam just seems a lot more useful.

[copper hawk]

Piety preferably

[mint gorge]

Blazing piety makes you comically tanky but I sorta like the attack speed from IJ

[placid fiber]

mk15 eviscerator is useable

[copper hawk]

FotF gives you an attack speed buff

[mint gorge]

yes but

more speed

[placid fiber]

it sucks/is mid but it is useable

[misty nova]

Remove the cap and it becomes even more goated

[copper hawk]

IoD + FotF basically gives u a big attack speed buff that lasts longer than it takes to get that FotF charge back

Plus relic is a finesse weapon

And it doesnt have shred

If it had shred id probably use an ij build

[mint gorge]

I didn't think about IoD proccing the FotF AS more often honestly

good point

[placid fiber]

it only lasts longer if you have cdr curio perks, otherwise it lasts just as long as the buff does cause it's a 10s cd :3

[mint gorge]

Shred?

[placid fiber]

stacking crit chance on hits

[mint gorge]

Right

[copper hawk]

It's alright but not as good as other horde clear weapons clear their hordes

And the heavy attacks suck

And it has a damage cap

It sucks

Not to include the dogshit adms that havent been updated

[placid fiber]

no shit, but, it's useable >.>

[copper hawk]

So is the dclaw 1 by that standard lmfao

It just has a shitty moveset

[placid fiber]

It is less useable without something that forces rending

[copper hawk]

Same with the evis

[placid fiber]

evis can work without rending

[copper hawk]

To a lesser extent

Not very well

Take a look at the adms

[placid fiber]

It can 1 shot crushers with bloodthirsty

[wooden dove]

I feel like I can't even reliably hit enemies on the head with the eviscerator heavy attack, especially with rev active, seems to target their body at least like half the time.

[copper hawk]

Revd heavies do fuck all against unyielding and cara

Without chastise

[placid fiber]

25% carapace + bloodthristy gives chain crusher 1 shots

[copper hawk]

Dont even have the benefit of an attack nullifying parry

[placid fiber]

It still functions better than the mk1 dclaw without chastise

[copper hawk]

With a perk and a blessing you can make your armor killing weapon that sucks at armor killing the ability to kill armor

At a cost to either horde clear or cleave

Of which u can afford neither

[placid fiber]

you don't take cleave on the mk15

the mk15 can dump cleave targets

[copper hawk]

The blessings for the 15 are rampage and shred generally

[placid fiber]

rampage and shred/bloodthirsty

[polar nexus]

maybe, sometimes, you feel the need to nerf yourself

and dc1 is here

[copper hawk]

With the 1 dclaw the point still stands that you can just swap marks

[copper hawk]

The entire eviscerator is semi functional

[placid fiber]

meanwhile the mk1 dclaw is non-functional

[copper hawk]

Rampage and shred generally

BT is a specific civi build she likes to use

Since you lose the crit for fotf iod uptime

Mk1 is just one weapon mark

[placid fiber]

also bloodthristy lets you crit light rev hordes for 6 targets damaged

[copper hawk]

The whole of the dclaw is weak, but not worthless

Doesnt have a damage cap, doesnt have inverted damage profiles, has mobility, and so forth

It's really the damage cap that breaks the eviscerator

[placid fiber]

cause the revved lights on the mk15 damages 6 targets instead of 4

[copper hawk]

The purpose of the dclaw is to be a duelist/parry/knife fighting weapon that also can serve at a generalist

Barring bad armor adms, it does this fine

[placid fiber]

Which is why I specifically was only saying the mk1 dclaw

[copper hawk]

The eviscerator is meant to be a horde clearing weapon that has a 4 damage cap

Im saying the whole of eviscerators

[placid fiber]

because both the mk4 and mk7 dclaws are better

I get that

I specifically have been stating the mk1 dclaw

[copper hawk]

I never set up the comparison between one specific weapon mark over the whole weapon

I know u are

[placid fiber]

The dclaw itself is better

[copper hawk]

U just brought up something less comparable and we're talking past one another

[placid fiber]

That'll be 20 payments of $99.99, Void

[mint brook]

Here is the whole general tree for now, let me know your opinion, yes, the other skills on the very top are moved to somewhere else!

[copper hawk]

Eviscerator doesnt stagger crushers on revd hits either so wtf is the point

Chord 13g is wrath and shred; it has the second fastest horde clear in the game

[placid fiber]

can't it with the bonus stagger on weakspot?

that's build specific, tho

[copper hawk]

Ur assessment is right for the most part, the chord 13g for the most part works as a better eviscerator

Also, ironically, the little sword has no damage cap

[placid fiber]

mk13g is busted

[mint brook]

That is the true crime

[placid fiber]

and doesn't autorev on heavies

[copper hawk]

Cuz why not

https://tenor.com/view/omori-the-dreamer-shopkeep-standing-intro-introduction-gif-3238358706312289556

[mint brook]

Bullyclub shows how much of a handicap damage cap is

[copper hawk]

Why not ! Why , Not ,

I so , Happy !

I love , Zealot !

[mint brook]

Also whats your opinion on all of this?

#zealot-class message

[copper hawk]

Yah lmfao

Damage cap removal is so peak

Only wpn w it now i think are the 'viscerators

But roundfish is in a post feast fugue and is hibernating

[placid fiber]

hey, look, disdain is useable

[mint brook]

Chaxe no?

[copper hawk]

Looks fine 2 me

@hard nexus

[copper hawk]

Idk

I havent used chaxes in eons

Hate usin them

[mild sparrow]

Pretty aure chaxe has a cap still yeah

But it has such little cleave it doesn't really matter lol

[mint brook]

True, but chaxe has so much damage where giving it cleave and removing the cap and improving swing pattern could EASILY make it really strong

[mild sparrow]

Good

Chaxe supremacy 🗣️

[placid fiber]

I find it funny that the mk12 has the exact same light and heavy moveset as the rashad/antax caxe

only differences are the push attack, it revs instead of special attacks, and the heavies auto saw for a tick or 2

and the cleave... it has more base cleave than the caxes do

[misty nova]

Chainaxes
Eviscerators
Tac axes

[placid fiber]

chaxes and taxes and eviscerators oh my

[misty nova]

No idea why taxes have Cap when they have 1.5 to 3 cleave

[mint brook]

Like that thing on martyr oneshots a lot of stuff without even revving, i would guess with my suggestions, it’d hit a tier

[misty nova]

Like bro they aren't hitting a 4th target

😭

[mint brook]

Taxes need to be less bs

Oh look, a double meaning

[placid fiber]

That's the joke

:3

[mint brook]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[jagged cradle]

You’re acting lumpy they’re peak of weapons

[misty ravine]

I think the chainaxes look goofy, like they took the head of a two-handed chainaxe and stuck on a one-handed handle

Whereas Eviscerators don't look sufficiently goofy

Anything named a heavy Eviscerator should be as long as my dude is tall

[tranquil owl]

At this point it's time for the imperium to hand out these

https://tenor.com/view/cut-using-a-pair-of-scissors-ted-katherine-hastings-wesley-payne-american-auto-gif-24646444

But on a massive scale, this one's too small

Much too small

[misty ravine]

Power Scissors

[tranquil owl]

^

To cut through all the bs in the galaxy

[misty nova]

Salt and Sanctuary Scissorsword

[tranquil owl]

I need to play Salt and Sacrifice

[misty ravine]

An unreasonably large Eviscerator where each of the teeth is actually a pair of scissors, and each blade of the scissors has a power field

[tranquil owl]

Weird ahhh 2d monster hunter but they're warlocks instead

Kill mages, make gear from their corpses discover new runeword sets to find new areas to tackle more mages

[carmine falcon]

the evis should be renamed to heavy assault chinasword

actual evis is gigantic

goofy ass lown mower

[sterile basalt]

still looks super cursed

[carmine falcon]

why so many points up top

it should be like ogryn tree

all the variations are middle

[opaque island]

if going to space for 3 minutes makes you an astronaught then im a gynecologist

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[violet hornet]

Believe that's a reference to blue origin sending Katy Perry on an 11 minute space flight recently

[misty nova]

His ass is not reading bruh

[copper hawk]

J

[acoustic dune]

HE IS TRYING HIS BEST

[sullen forge]

Gem or Coal

So what’ll be

Gem

Or

Coal

[acoustic dune]

goal

[hard nexus]

EWEW seems good but 20 stacks is too much, 25% toughness per second max is just waaaayyyyy too high, i’d say limit it to 10% per second max

purge the unclean should be 6 stacks and only on melee

voice of terra should only be you

scourge should stay as it is, crit chance rn is only OP because of weapons like knife and dueling sword with their finesse multipliers, and having a very high crit chance is what makes builds like perfect strike mk3 evis at all workable

disdain just needs to be made to stack off every hit, not just every other hit, though it’s an interesting idea what you put

vicious offering, idk about

[sullen forge]

That’s a coalerald you uncultured swine

[copper hawk]

Gale

U r gemless.

[sullen forge]

Says you dusterald

[acoustic dune]

gale?
more like
gay-le

[copper hawk]

Dusty brimmy calcite

[sullen forge]

Can’t even manage iron posting

Smh

[copper hawk]

Ur tryin 2 shove 2 many sharty termz where they dont belong

Fake nusoy

Poser

Dusty

[sullen forge]

Dusty dusterald

[copper hawk]

I could kill you.

[sullen forge]

90% of sharty terms would get anyone instantly banned LMAO

[copper hawk]

Yepperz

[mint brook]

I agree on most points but scourge

Remember what my rework tries to achieve

I will NOT leave a skill unchanged cause it helps bad weapons, fix the bad weapons instead

[frosty herald]

100%

[copper hawk]

Yam smelly

P.U.!!!!

[mint brook]

But i can concede most other points

[frosty herald]

coal

[copper hawk]

Those weapons wont be fixed

Nothing ever changes

Nothing ever happenz..

[frosty herald]

im not caught up on wtf sharty even is

[copper hawk]

Just leave scourge as it is

[frosty herald]

i only know gemerald

[copper hawk]

Crit chance good for good weapons too

Crit chance good for bad weapons

Fix bad wpn keep scourge

Chew gum and walk same time

Eek ook

[mint brook]

Thats not true tho

Look at ogryn

Bully club went from a darn joke to a monster

[copper hawk]

Knows he not

[copper hawk]

Nothing ever changes for Zealot

Only nerfs

PTers have already said they think Zealot is broken... for some reason they never specify

[mint brook]

Ogryn had the same curse

[copper hawk]

Taken Out Back And Kneecapped

[mint brook]

And here we are now

[copper hawk]

I Am Without Hope 4 Zeal Rework

Enmoldification

[mint brook]

Blessed are they without introspection, for they shall know no doubt

[sullen forge]

Nusoy in zealot chat spotted

[mint brook]

yes, i ripped that from darktide

[copper hawk]

Hope Is The First Step On The Road To Disappointment

• Reading From Disk

[hard nexus]

i think having a very high crit chance is perfectly fine on zealot

also pathing towards tknives should maintain crit focus

or at least, one of the paths

[mint brook]

fucking hilarious how the game gives you double standards for whatever fits, true imperium moment

[hard nexus]

so scourge should stay crit related

as enduring faith is there too

[mint brook]

left tree tho

[copper hawk]

Taken Out Back And Kneecapped [2]

[mint brook]

it has scourges crit if you really want it

[hard nexus]

you shouldn’t have to spread out across the entire tree to get the base parts of a build

[mint brook]

its one point tho

like there is no tax related to it!

[copper hawk]

1 point tax..

[mint brook]

its one point and off you go, its meant to be at the very top left

[copper hawk]

Our current tree cant spare one point ,,

[mint brook]

but what if we can change that

[copper hawk]

Nothing ever happenz

[mint brook]

i already made it so the new tree spares you like 2 points

[copper hawk]

Vold will put in all this work

[hard nexus]

idk all of my changes are better anyway

[copper hawk]

And what actually is pushed down is this like

Horrific abomination nothing st all Vold has envisioned, but instead it's like

Hodgepodge between Vet, Psyker, and Ogryn builds

Im gonna call it

[stone fern]

didnt read them but i can tell ur wrong

[copper hawk]

Right meow

All on black !

[hard nexus]

clad go die to a bulwark and one trapper

noobass

[stone fern]

wrong

[mint brook]

HEY people told me that with the ogryn rework ... and the loot rework ... and the talents rework when you could pick out of 3, at some point you may be right, but i am 100% certain i will be standing correct yet again

[stone fern]

i have never died to a bulwark

[hard nexus]

or ragequit

[stone fern]

i ignore them now

[stone fern]

ok valid

ill see myself out

[copper hawk]

Im despairing Vold

[copper hawk]

I know of the Opinions of Those Who Be on Zealot

I Gazed into , The Sludgebyss and Saw only Mold ,,

[mint brook]

isnt this character rom some low poly game?

[hard nexus]

signalis

that’s elster

best game ever made

or at least top 5

[stone fern]

ignore meow

its a good game

[copper hawk]

It's From Cute Lesbian Robot Space Game Not Psychological Horror Nope ! Called Signalis :)

[mint brook]

yeah, gorgeous game, i still struggle making low poly models myself for some reason, you would think they are easier than high poly

[copper hawk]

See look how Cuteful , and Not Horrifying it iz !

[hard nexus]

harder to define a style with less

but when it’s done well it’s amazing

[mint brook]

eyup

[hard nexus]

mlp reference

[mint brook]

i watch some youtube who does an ass load of low poly content

[hard nexus]

i’m killing myself tonight chat

https://tenor.com/view/thancred-thancred-waters-thancred-ffxiv-ffxiv-final-fantasy-xiv-gif-1578926904505783149

[mint brook]

oh god i hate thats what it is referenced to bro 😭

[stone fern]

i listened to a 3 hour brainrot video essay on signalis

from the 10 minutes i paid attention to it seemed good

[hard nexus]

you’ve gotta play the game to actually appreciate it

[mint brook]

like man i say that all the time and ever since i found out that it is from mlp, people think i am some hardcore browny ...

[grizzled aspen]

A lot of this is pretty bad compared to what we currently have.

[stone fern]

🤔 maybe i am travelling soon so i cant play dt

[hard nexus]

being a brony is fine

[grizzled aspen]

The removal of crit chance from scourge is an interesting choice.

[hard nexus]

i’m a pegasister

but as long as u aren’t like

weird about it

nobody cares

[grizzled aspen]

I would frankly leave scourge as it is and add a damage bonus vs bleeding targets on top.

[hard nexus]

no scourge is fine as is

[clever swan]

mlp is a solid cartoon

[hard nexus]

it doesn’t need a damage buff against bleeding targets

[mint brook]

i mean i watched some of it, i see the quality, there is a reason it is so fucking popular, but i have fallen into the rabbit hole trying to find out why people are so apprehensive about them

[stone fern]

hell yeah

lets buff scourge

[hard nexus]

i just wish the characters were more

human

[clever swan]

it's because the fandom is wild

[stone fern]

id also add a second until death on duellist

[hard nexus]

like the couple of human characters we see

[clever swan]

WELL DO I HAVE THE SPIN OFF FOR YOU

[hard nexus]

starlight and sunset

[hard nexus]

i mean emotionally lmfao

like

[mint brook]

exactly q-q i have seen the jar man ....

i gagged that day

[hard nexus]

the main 6 are caricatures

[hard nexus]

but these 2 have real depth to themselves

and it’s why i love them the most

[clever swan]

they're all like S class

they're cartoon MAIN* characters so they're basically infallible

[hard nexus]

yeah i know

why doesn’t a kid show bend to my whims.

0/10

[clever swan]

but i mean

i bet the show has plenty of episodes where the characters make mistakes and learn from them

[hard nexus]

it does

[clever swan]

since that's what kid's shows do

[grizzled aspen]

Disdain is a good rework, ewew has too many stacks and too much magnitude, purge is way op, restoring faith should be the zealout in question only, voice of terra should not be 10%, maybe 5% for that instead, otherwise ok.

[hard nexus]

voice of terra is currently 4% and useless

[mint brook]

as said, my reworks never try to be like, safe, i go balls to the wall, and i like when people try to roll with my idea and invent something that is different yet fun, while keeping the spirit of the class alive or the loreful identity of a named class

which is why i am SUPER iffy about ever making a vet rework

[grizzled aspen]

I'm aware, but with it in Vold's rework idea, it would have more functionality on top of toughness generation.

[mint brook]

that fuckers class names leave a thousands doors open to the point you have to read the whole lore of the astra millitarum

[grizzled aspen]

Plus I do not fancy people running a gun and hoovering all the ammo in sight because they can just hold the trigger down and not die.

10% toughness + inspiring barrage makes a noob invulnerable.

[mint brook]

hey as said, specifics like these are welcome, lets me stamp it out asap

we dont want an ogryn rework, where he is fine, but like a certain category of talents make him turbo broken

like ogryn toughness regen is just WAY too good

saying that as someone who primarly plays this guy and clammered about a rework for him for basically a year or more

[sullen forge]

Personally I think it would be really fucking funny if they gave Zealot a burn talent for 0 reason other than comedic effect

[mint brook]

he should have burning

middle should, at least

if banisher would have to chose wether they wanna save a child in a burning building or let it die, they would storm the building to make an even bigger fire before rescuing the child

[stone fern]

stop trying to make gun zealot happen

it wont

[carmine falcon]

nah we want an ogryn rework where the tree is actually varied and healthy

balance is a meme

all classes are broken

embrace the OPness

[grizzled aspen]

I didn't "try to make gun zealout happen", I'm actively attempting to prevent a noob friendly approach to the game like that.

[stone fern]

based?

[grizzled aspen]

That being said, gun zealout should be a thing, and if you don't agree, explode immediately.

[mint brook]

btw, thing is, i want to make middle tree more supportive that affects your team

[carmine falcon]

what's wrong with gun zealot

all other classes have ranged builds

[mint brook]

it has to be a thing actually, it makes sense

[carmine falcon]

if no gun zealot, zealot should be undisputed number 1 melee king

[mint brook]

did you ever see what a preacher is wielding?

[candid vale]

Zealot is nowhere near any Preacher.

:D

[carmine falcon]

zealot can be a preacher tho

[mint brook]

left tree is called preacher

also, this here is a preacher (right one)

https://saintnora.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/titleministorumrules.png?w=640

[carmine falcon]

wasnt the class itself called preacher zealot lmao

[candid vale]

there is a reason , it is called "left"

:D

[carmine falcon]

what is brother on about

[candid vale]

nvm , just fooling around

[tranquil owl]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676483

[mint brook]

vindictor flamers are basically unwieldy flamethrowers with a special chainsaw attack

imagine it almost like an ogryn GG gauntlet i suppose in function

[tranquil owl]

Sounds badass

[mint brook]

made that myself in hype for making the rework

i might still texturise it and put more bolts on and such till i am done

[tranquil owl]

Always a good time, would be nice to see it finished

[mint brook]

i even made the teeth move

but i am not happy with how it works

so i wont share that yet

but in general, preacher SHOULD be hybrid

[grizzled aspen]

Left side is referred to as preacher.

Then the middle is martyr, and the right is death cult assassin.

[mint brook]

i mean listen, consider the preacher came with the eviscerator and a flamer, dont you think they wanted to make the vindictor, but couldnt due to time constraints/GW/technology issues?

[tranquil owl]

Zealot in Vt2 was very preacher(ish) in personality at least

[mint brook]

isnt middle banisher?

[frosty herald]

Middle is preacher

[grizzled aspen]

Maybe. Idk. I just know left is preacher and right is dca.

[mint brook]

cause martyr is a general term

banisher is an actual 40k thing:
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Banisher

read about them if you fancy it

deamons are kidna terrified of them

[tranquil owl]

I would love to pick Fatsharks brain on what they wanna add to the game

[mint brook]

so in darktide, middle tree is sorta supportive with focus on unyelding maybe infested too, and LOTS of fire

[mint brook]

i really want more questions answered really

it really blows

[tranquil owl]

We need a big ol qna session

[mint brook]

cause like, you cant tell me preacher wasnt meant to get the vindictor flamer

[carmine falcon]

need drip like this

and a new big ass evis too

[mint brook]

thats an actual evisc btw

[tranquil owl]

Fr why the Banisher gotta look like the goat

[carmine falcon]

yeah iik

[mint brook]

not the puny toothpick we wield

like they are CHONKY

it would be a halfsword for ogryns basically

[tranquil owl]

Would love to have chonky evis action

[mint brook]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/cd/Keramiah_Tor.png/revision/latest?cb=20150317200322

look at that fucker

[tranquil owl]

Lemme cut a crusher in 2

[mint brook]

this is ultimately what banishers are, they are desciples of doomguy

[plucky sparrow]

bouta watch it just chew through an enemy til it dies as long as you don’t dodge

[tranquil owl]

Doomguy found a tear in between dimensions and ended up working under the Emperor to bring about a new type of warrior

[mint brook]

about that, i genuinely think the evisc should stagger enemies after special use kill ... but hey ... could make that a talent you know 😉

[tranquil owl]

Would doomguy survive 40k is what I wonder

[mint brook]

YES

from what i read, the chaos gods would genuinely piss themselves

he might even go as far and try and kill big e

[tranquil owl]

Yeah honestly lmao

He probably would

[frosty herald]

No

[carmine falcon]

doomguy is comically op lol

[mint brook]

like the guy hates whatever is even REMOTELY demonic

[clever swan]

doomguy could possibly fight the chaos gods i think

[tranquil owl]

Considering the Emperor is technically a chaos god, just expedited

[mint brook]

here is a list of what he did
Single handedly wiping out Hells army

Defeating Titans

Surviving the Argent D'Nur War

Killing The Icon of Sin

Defying the Makyrs

Harnessing the crucible

Breaking free from Hell

Immortal rate and endurance

Slaughtering the Dark Lord

[clever swan]

well, in the warp he'd probably get killed by the chaos gods. but in the material universe i think doomguy would dominate anything they could throw at them

[carmine falcon]

doomguy in lore is broken

[tranquil owl]

Yeah if he enters the warp he'd probably be done

[mint brook]

he literally killed the creator of existence

[frosty herald]

Demons are alot weaker in doom then 40k

[mint brook]

like big e couldnt even achieve that

[mint brook]

depending really

base deamon? sure

[frosty herald]

A bloodthirster would give the doom slayer a challenge

[mint brook]

Davoth? fuck no, the guy is basically the creator of EVERYTHING

[clever swan]

vsbattles puts doomguy at tier 1-C, even says he's higher with power ups (though he probably wouldnt reach 1-B)

[carmine falcon]

idk how broken 40k can get but doom slayer in lore makes doom slayer in games seem tame

and in the game u already kill like everything

[clever swan]

this means that doomguy is literally completely broken and it actually makes no sense how he's that strong

[tranquil owl]

Demons in doom range from shambling zombies to overlords doomguy can only kill because plot power

[carmine falcon]

thats exactly what it is

[mint brook]

doomslayer is basically almost meant to be a joke character

[carmine falcon]

he's not mean to be taken seriously

[frosty herald]

Lore and game slayer are 2 completely different beings

[mint brook]

is it demonic? yes? doomguy wins

[tranquil owl]

Yeah that's basically how it goes

[mint brook]

this

game slayer is pitifully weak because game balance

[carmine falcon]

i mean game slayer is a god if you're skilled

just dont get hit

[frosty herald]

I should do ultra nightmare sometime

[mint brook]

i think if we wanted lore accurate doomslayer a nasa pc would implode because even it would not handle the amount of enemies that would need to be rendered

[carmine falcon]

i should do DLCs

[tranquil grail]

kaldor draigo or malum caedo are the doomguy equivalents in 40k

[carmine falcon]

never beaten them

[tranquil grail]

malum caedo being the protag for boltgun

def play it

[frosty herald]

They were sadly nerfed

Ancient gods part 1 had a double marauder fight

[mint brook]

malum and doomguy would not even fight, they would literally shake hands cause they both fucking despise deamons

[clever swan]

pictured: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Hx8RGxiPI

[frosty herald]

I killed both marauders on xbox

[tranquil owl]

Ultra nightmare still fun tho, dlcs and all, the nerf was stupid

[carmine falcon]

lol i remember a lot of bitching about the difficulty being called cheap and stuff

new doom coming soon

i should replay eternal before that

mgiht as well do 2016

[opaque island]

gun that grinds skulls into ammo

[stone fern]

switch talents
game crashes

ok

[tranquil owl]

Doom players and complaining about difficulty in the same sentence makes The Emperor sad

[mint brook]

the only mod that got close try that with the new doom graphics is what i am saying

[tranquil owl]

Double marauder was amazing

[frosty herald]

Im not getting dark ages

[opaque island]

cause of the musician controversy

?

[tranquil owl]

Hell Jedi Survivor had a double boss

[frosty herald]

It doesnt play like 2016 or eternal

[tranquil owl]

How does it play?

[frosty herald]

Alot slower and ground combat

[mint brook]

you know, i am sad snap map for doom is gone, it was easily my favourite thing about doom 😭

[frosty herald]

You barely gain any height from jumping

[carmine falcon]

i mean eternal doest play 2016
they didt wanna make eternal 2.0 cause eternal is legit perfect so they changed the gameplay up once again

[clever swan]

me: still waiting for the doom 3 spiritual successor

[carmine falcon]

i like the approach

less vertical movement

[clever swan]

that's more like the classic doom then

[carmine falcon]

more melee and being able to tank and just push through

and you're still fast af

u just dont zoom zoom around

[clever swan]

not like doom 1 or 2 had vertical anything, you couldnt even look up

[carmine falcon]

literally lmao

me when the doom is doom

[clever swan]

the new doom does look a bit ridiculous though. might be time to start over since i cant imagine what will come next

[frosty herald]

It should have been a quake game

[carmine falcon]

2016: plays like many other action shooters
eternal: movement maxxing
dark ages: BASH EM RATS

[clever swan]

but quake is known for its verticality actually

[opaque island]

im gonna cogitate my chainsword into your skull

[lone matrix]

how manny skull masks has zealot

[merry flume]

too many

half of them are just recolors

[violet hornet]

And they all make ya look like a mall ninja

[opal star]

nah cuz why do they all look stupid 😭

[stone fern]

i want this without the hoodie

[tranquil owl]

Eternal movement is so good, would love to see Mirrors Edge come back and take its combat to the next level

[carmine falcon]

nah mirror

mirror's edge sequel already had too much combat

make it more parkour based

[tranquil owl]

Would have had more if catalyst had gotten better reviews

Tbh tho the combat was worked in as much as it was vs the first game cause now Faith was really getting into the conspiracies and shit, vs in the first game she was just a runner doing what runners do until shit went south all of a sudden and boom, betrayal

[opaque island]

We're never gonna get a mirrors edge sequel i dont think, best we can hope for is a spiritual successor imo

[tranquil owl]

Oh nah we wont

That was basically confirmed

Probably won't see a reboot of the ip either unless it's sold off

Parkour games aren't as popular as they used to be, hasn't really been anyone trying to make the next big Parkour game it seems

But with how vr is rn, seems like a good opportunity to make said game

[opaque island]

I dont want it to be VR for the simple fact i am nowhere near getting one

[sullen forge]

Not to mention how nearly all of them think they’re hot shit

[frosty herald]

https://youtu.be/wH4UwXJ6ZNc?si=DRywWRuWFfwmBIk0

[tranquil owl]

Oh nice, that's really good

Is a shame to me the last PoP game didn't really get to go in with the movement

Ik they wanted to make a metroidvania

But I've been spoiled on the movment from older PoP titles

Gravity Rush was/is amazing

[opaque island]

Im sure this is pretty early footage, but it doesnt seem fast enough, and also not first person

REEEE

[neon elm]

anyone got a decent dmg build ?

[frosty herald]

Shut

[opaque island]

just not what im looking for in my new parkour game

[neon elm]

nobody got a nice build to share ? 🙂

[stone fern]

the guide has good ones

but generally theyre all the same

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1328770045920280596/image.png?ex=6801330a&is=67ffe18a&hm=9af6be9d8bb5e7f9223f19f3f548818ed54e5cb8ae84db4606d6ff66dcfbd31f&

[vestal gazelle]

[hard nexus]

yellow is build dependent

purple is main path

[vestal gazelle]

do you have a chart like that for every class

[hard nexus]

no but every other class has guides pinned

[stone fern]

other classes have more builds

zealot has the the holy path

[tawdry hinge]

only zealot has a simple guide like that lmao

[plucky sparrow]

ah yes The Build(tm)

[vestal gazelle]

braindead zealots strike again

[torpid tulip]

what is going on with zealot knife???\

there is no dps to pox in 30s havoc. even if they do not have the rampaging 50% dr modifier. or the 20% dr pox gas. does final toll have that much dr?

[twin wagon]

Knife has never truly dpsed

It was all a lie

[plucky sparrow]

knife “dps” is just enemies having too little hp

[torpid tulip]

used to shred all the mobs on old havoc

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-war-in-ba-sing-se-avatar-earth-village-gif-25923233

[tranquil grail]

knife is a safety stick diet duelling sword, if you dont need the safety but want the same gameplay with more damage just play ds

[twin wagon]

If you want better knife try taxe

I'm not responsible for any broken mouse

[tranquil grail]

taxe is great, learning its horde combo will be a small learning curve coming off knife but it is fun

[plucky sparrow]

horde clearing combo is just light light light light light light light repeat

Push attack if you dare

[tranquil grail]

it is if you want to be lazy but its not ideal

[misty nova]

better knife
Taxe

If you want a better knife use mk6

Mk6 knife is nice

[plucky sparrow]

imagine if zealot got psykers FGS but just couldn’t use the special

[carmine falcon]

i'll take that

i like the moveset

[visual stream]

And we'd be lower mobility too

The devs said the FGS is so light because something something psychic manipulation

[carmine falcon]

u mean the swings speed

it already has meh mobility doesnt it

[visual stream]

It feels really really light tbh

The swing speed, sprint speed is decent, decent dodges

[misty nova]

Just Iron Arm it

Idira adding+42 strength and toughness to Abelard just because

[stone fern]

idira is a heretic tho

[misty nova]

[prisma magnet]

Idira mentioned in Zealot chat....

Heresy

[misty nova]

Idira being heretical just means that I can give her bolter and heavy weapon mastery so she can start Chapter 2 with Auroras heavy bolter

[plush estuary]

level 31 join my havoc 36, requests his havoc 3

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/power-move-strong-fierce-bowen-yang-chen-biao-gif-15423454

[sullen forge]

Oh yeah havoc was changed

Or well demotion system

May as well get back to 40 so I just have hardest difficulty in my back pocket whenever

[plush estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1362130755043590204/2856B71.MP4?ex=6801469f&is=67fff51f&hm=f624b46ccf6e001211755bf727ed7db5a5e11309886053da5cb11874cd7bec49&

ben dover

[carmine falcon]

its so bendover

[tranquil owl]

Bendover.....
Bendov....
Bender....

https://tenor.com/view/timboulder-bender-futurama-tim-boulder-gif-15089755887082424665

[carmine falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-fanta-orange-orange-venom-marvel-rivals-gif-14254808145322227813

[tranquil owl]

Then antivenom......

[violet hornet]

What's the green haze floating around?

[plush estuary]

ritual bug

[violet hornet]

Invisible daemonhost?

[plush estuary]

@sacred token

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5253984031697501451

[acoustic dune]

what if there were a war in ba sing se

[sterile stone]

Can't happen

Walls to secure

[acoustic dune]

ecure?

was there no spelling mistake?

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/rules-cat-gangster-dont-forget-ur-roots-boss-up-gif-14398010971330484422

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/new-gulag-gif-20809695

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-awake-discord-skyrim-intro-skyrim-intro-discord-gif-22633629

[nimble fiber]

u smell like 3 dancin elephants

[sterile stone]

You talking reckless

I'm taking your front door off it's hinges

[nimble fiber]

not even 5 of u would be able to do that

[sterile stone]

We built tough out here

[placid fiber]

I texted my wife asking her if she wanted a wrap for lunch... no reply. I had to call her to ask her. When I got home from work, I had to wake her up cause she forgot >.>

I think she may be a tad bit tired today, for some reason

[stable cypress]

I'll have her wrap then

[placid fiber]

Nah, she's eating it now >.>

[placid fiber]

It was a #17 from jersey mike's in a wrap :3

a steak and cheese sub (with onions and mixed peppers)

She can't eat the bread because it messes with her stomach

[mighty root]

If I was this dog

I’d be fucked up

[placid fiber]

Why?

can't swim? :3

[acoustic dune]

look at that dog beard

mf is prob wise

[mighty root]

Wise ass dog

[placid fiber]

but why is it a donkey?

[mighty root]

You are so silly

[placid fiber]

That and sometimes epic gaming moments are all I got going for me lol

[mighty root]

It’s a bird

[placid fiber]

Like when I made a new dead cells profile and beat the hand of the king the 1st run <.<

[violet hornet]

And your sandwich making and fetching abilities

[placid fiber]

[violet hornet]

And the unique trait of being able to make any emoji beeg

[placid fiber]

colorless flint + legendary lightning whip hard carry

tho legendary flint is a harder carry tbh

[placid fiber]

Yep @violet hornet

[mighty root]

[acoustic dune]

show them heaven

[mighty root]

No

[placid fiber]

That's where all dogs go tho

[mighty root]

For their wicked deeds they must be punished

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/commence-the-mass-stoning-gif-5759304547419891834

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-sad-crying-wipes-tears-wiping-tears-gif-24991919

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/hailuo-hailuo-cat-cat-hailuo-cat-melt-melting-cat-gif-6017410302576253752

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-ultra-kill-parry-ultrakill-parry-punch-gif-6148676138619206464

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-feline-ultrakill-parry-explosion-gif-13535351298967080947

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-17071604041793579031

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/awww-chicken-puppy-friends-cute-gif-20011776

[mighty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dab97d4-e787-41b6-a116-d802b6166d19/medic-3?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button @small pulsar if you’re looking to keep your team alive you could try something like this

[placid fiber]

don't get cocky

[mighty root]

Chorus ability spam

All while dealing good damage and such

Feel free to interchange the weapon or anything you want to

[small pulsar]

lowk

i feel like

i dont need thy wrath be swift when i can just take

sunstorm

and res in sunstorm if the need ever comes

while getting better chaff cleaning

with left tree

and beacon of purity lets my teammates get downed more

[placid fiber]

disdain is only every other hit >.>

beacon of purity doesn't heal past a wound

[small pulsar]

what

damn

[mighty root]

You’d have more survivability with the right and more crit to make your book come back faster so they don’t go down

Plus you can always book if someone is down

[small pulsar]

yeah but efen without crit build

i still can get a crit each 4 seconds

so it doesnt really matter no?

[placid fiber]

depends on the weapon

[small pulsar]

the thing i was goign fro to maximize buffs for my allies and hold off enemies

while they kill all the elites

[mighty root]

Taking book does sacrifice damage so having all that crit does help

[small pulsar]

well thats why i was running martyrdom

with the perk that prevents me from dying

the revenant thingy

[placid fiber]

until death

revenant is just the heal from damage dealth after until death ends

[mighty root]

Yeah until death is good I’ve been trying to come off of it’s training wheels

It is amazing tho

[placid fiber]

So you're suggesting not having it to newer players that still need it?

[mighty root]

I did say feel free to interchange

Depending on weapon you could take off twbs and take until death

[placid fiber]

I feel like with a newer player you should already take into account giving them a build with more structure and utility

[mighty root]

Well it is the crit build

[placid fiber]

because yeah we can run no twbs no until death... we are not new players

[small pulsar]

also is blood redemption even good

[mighty root]

Only if you’re not doing crit

[small pulsar]

or how good is it

[placid fiber]

the worst option for crit weapons

[mighty root]

It’s alright

[small pulsar]

so its useless on stealth zealot?

[placid fiber]

compared to it and scourge

[mighty root]

Yup

[placid fiber]

depends on the weapon you're using for it

[small pulsar]

well i was using combat blade

[mighty root]

Only run it with stuff like the crusher, thammer, heavy sword

[placid fiber]

I mean with a knife blood redemption < scourge

[small pulsar]

is faithfull frenzy good on stealth zealot

[mighty root]

Yes absolutely

[small pulsar]

cause im tring to fit duelist

[placid fiber]

I mean 10% attack speed is 10% attack speed, you're not getting it from chastise's upgrade

[small pulsar]

into my stealth zealot

[mighty root]

What makes zealot so good is attack speed

And his insane crit

[placid fiber]

thammer:

[mighty root]

That’s why you hear everyone here preaching about fury

[mighty root]

I mean it is nice

[small pulsar]

second wind good or nah?

[placid fiber]

literally the best talent on zealot >.>

[mighty root]

Yes the best thing in the entire game

[carmine falcon]

fury spam makes slow weapons fast

[mighty root]

Atm zealots tree is very rigid

[small pulsar]

so

im 2 points off

on my stealth zealot

[mighty root]

You always go top left, middle right

[placid fiber]

"is 15% toughness on dodge from a melee or ranged attack good?" >.>

[sacred mortar]

you dont get more skill points after level 30, right ??

[placid fiber]

Right

[small pulsar]

for righteous warrior and faithfull frenzy