zealot-class

[hard nexus]

on a single enemy

[heady rapids]

ye but you need a higher skill to be comfortable with it

[tranquil grail]

reading comprehension is challenging aint it

[heady rapids]

considering you don't have that much dr

[brisk raft]

I still suggest having the toughness for VoC be over time instead of instant

[mint brook]

Yes and you have the whole rest of the toolkit after that

[hard nexus]

when did i say there was abysmal dogshit from amygdala

[mint brook]

Shroudfield has insane uptime honestly

[tranquil grail]

lol

[frozen kernel]

Not from Myg specifically, just in darktide

[hard nexus]

and yet gunlugger can hold M1 for 90% of a match and get 1.5 million damage without ever having to melee

[mint brook]

Not saying ogryn is the strongest, but i am saying zealot should get new stuff too

[hard nexus]

whilst zealot at least has to engage with its kit

[brisk raft]

Blazing Piety?

[mint brook]

And SIGNIFICANT Ammo cost

[mint brook]

You got it

[hard nexus]

yeah ammo cost is again, insignificant when you deal that much damage

[hearty nebula]

just pick up ammo noob

[heady rapids]

literally gets free ammo!!!!

[sullen forge]

I’m going to keep bringing it up

[mint brook]

Yup, which means none for the team really

[sullen forge]

BLO Melee keystone

[hearty nebula]

that sounds like a them issue

[heady rapids]

let me take a swing with that bm dmg distribution pickaxe

[sullen forge]

On any gun that is a low ammo high damage cost weapon

[heady rapids]

and get 10 stacks

[wary finch]

I would love to see a zealot tree rework to make it meaningful
I wouldn't be bored off my ass running the same build(s?)

[sullen forge]

You literally have infinite ammo

[hearty nebula]

if they needed the ammo so bad then i wouldn't have picked it up first

[tranquil grail]

ill pick you up how bout that huh

[mint brook]

Meanwhile shroudfield only seperates people with a skill issue vs good players

[hard nexus]

but survivalist got nerfed to 5s cooldown for 1%

powercreep !

[hearty nebula]

[polar nexus]

enjoy spamming power on power sword > use power cycler ; rashad is overrated > it has horde clear with bm, good anti-armor and for some reason 200% adm against unyielding ; sound design being ass > what does that even mean ? ; knife is only good as a safety stick otherwise just run ds > knife is a crit weapon with access to good blessings and insane crit multiplier... it is only lacking in horde clear

[frozen kernel]

Average Dorn pub

[hearty nebula]

freak

[heady rapids]

zealot is the way the game was meant to be played
1 build
only melee

[mint brook]

So i see very little downside

[hard nexus]

what does this mean

[mint brook]

Dorn pub?

[tranquil grail]

took you that long to type that

[hard nexus]

are you trying to say shroudfield is skillful?

[hearty nebula]

jack shit

[hard nexus]

because it’s really not

it’s braindead easy to use

[sullen forge]

Fucking crazy that’s considered balance

Hell has frozen over in Zealot chat

[hard nexus]

yeah

never thought i’d stand side by side a vet main

[brisk raft]

Norse Hell now

[frozen kernel]

Old player who vacuums ammo like it's the last shipment on Tertium

[hard nexus]

the woke left (ogryns and psykers) have taken over

[sullen forge]

…how about… side by side with a friend

[hard nexus]

something something you have my mk3 evis

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-laugh-smile-gimli-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16266453

[hard nexus]

i never watched LotR

[heady rapids]

minecraft movie is literally lotr btw

[hard nexus]

i was busy studying the blade

[heady rapids]

it shares a fuckload of themes with lotr

[hard nexus]

and growing my comically long neck beard

[heady rapids]

literally has gendalf and treants

[mint brook]

Well there are 2 groups of people in both camps.
One that uses shroudfield correctly, and the ones that dont.

And the people that cant handle an aggro dump for 2 seconds and the ones that do

[frozen kernel]

I'd have a last stand with Clad

[polar nexus]

that's what happens when you work as well

[hard nexus]

i wouldn’t

he’d die first

[frozen kernel]

He'd die firsty

^^

[hard nexus]

and id have 2 clutch 40 times

[frozen kernel]

But see, that way I dont have to worry about going out like a bitch

Nobody will be there to see it

[hard nexus]

true

[sullen forge]

God I love EStance MMF Vigil Auto

[mint brook]

Like i find it crazy that ogryn was trash for so long and now that he is good, people want him gutted

[hard nexus]

shroudfield as a whole is stupid but it’s a necessary stupid

[tranquil grail]

none of the factors you listed for knife are exclusive to it compared to ds other than the safety
is anyone here going to say ds isnt a good crit weapon
also iunno what difficulty you play on but 4 swings of powered ps is not winning you any games, its gonna be a lot

[sullen forge]

Full of Elite/Special headshot kills

[tranquil grail]

rashad i hate on because its ugly and sounds bad

[plush estuary]

Ogryn was never trash

[hard nexus]

he’s not good, he’s blatantly overpowered

[tranquil grail]

thats what that means

[mint brook]

I say fix the other classes forst and nerf the toughness regen a bit on him

[hard nexus]

i’m seeing ogryn mains calling for zealot to get gutted

[hearty nebula]

he's not good

he's extremely overtuned

[hard nexus]

that’s what i said!

[tranquil grail]

also go work your job wyd here

[sullen forge]

I won’t lie

[mint brook]

Thats more than just stupidity then

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/baldur's-gate-baldur's-gate-3-withers-no-noo-gif-6455368871201756432

[brisk raft]

I remember Lave Chicken in Lotr

[mint brook]

[sullen forge]

I think it’s extremely criminal

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-darktide-get-away-shoo-disappear-gif-5683568285290773389

[frozen kernel]

Watching the autoguns go from death machines, to literal airsoft guns, and back to actual weapons across this game's life has been a trip

[sullen forge]

How Ogryn has nothing but raw DR

[heady roost]

at least they're lore accurate now

[mint brook]

I look at it from a pragmatic angle, no us vs them mentality

[sullen forge]

not a single TDR talent

Is actually a sin

[hard nexus]

but none for martyrdom!

[mint brook]

What i see is ogryn being finally fun

And the other classes are SORELY showing their age

Finally

[hard nexus]

ogryn can be fun without being blatantly overpowered

[heady rapids]

all I'm saying is that ogryn should be good but not THAT good

[hearty nebula]

i bet vold is malice player...

[frozen kernel]

Ogryn gets rooked for toughness because of their DR :((

[hard nexus]

zealot is the most, vet following it

[frozen kernel]

Big slab no have big number

[mint brook]

Well i agree

[median steeple]

you cant say this after playing war thunder for so long....

[hard nexus]

psyker just needs nerfs

[median steeple]

stinky....

[hard nexus]

i yearn for top tier

[frozen kernel]

Shhh speak not the truth

[hard nexus]

i’m at 8.7

[brisk raft]

Everyone knows Sedition is where its at

[hearty nebula]

I was genuinely shocked when they buffed scriers gaze

[hard nexus]

almost at 9.0 but i’m broke on silver lions rn because i gambled

[median steeple]

poor....

[hard nexus]

and got nothing

[heady rapids]

they turned ogryn from heavy spam into light spam.....

[sullen forge]

Veteran either having a “holy shit I can live” match or, “guess I’m fucking dying” based solely if they can actually kill something that match or not

[mint brook]

100% cleave based on peril is the funniest non-condition in the game

[brisk raft]

Scriers Gaze must have its peril quell to 10%

[hearty nebula]

Like what the fuck were they smoking

[sullen forge]

You especially notice with Psyker and Ogryn

[hard nexus]

playing exec vet when u run out of toughness, behind cover, and ur exec stance is on cooldown, while ur pinned by gunners

[mint brook]

But yeah, the toughness regen is the only issue on ogryn he regens basically all toughness per hit

[hard nexus]

that’s how the game should feel

[mint brook]

Nerf that and believe me you’ll feel it

[wary finch]

All those psyker buffs and yet most psykers still end up flat on their ass

[hard nexus]

and the massive damage buffs, and the zealot duelist, and the massive amount of raw DR

whatever

[heady rapids]

next patch is gonna remove peril explosions from the game

[hard nexus]

ogryn won’t get nerfed

zealot will get hyper buffed

[mint brook]

Dr showed time and time again that it is only effective with great toughness regen

[polar nexus]

none of the factors you listed for knife are exclusive to it compared to ds other than the safety > that does not mean you can downgrade it to mobility stick ; the ds is just overtuned on all classes, that's the problem / 4 swings of powered ps is not winning you any games > actually with sunder and bm, well yeah it works really well > PS just has dogshit mobility but you can get used to it and compensate with WS keystone / also iunno what difficulty you play > auric mael and histg duos, with a taxe.

[sullen forge]

It fucking blows when the Ogryn runs in like an idiot denying any toughness leeching or Psyker nukes the map and you’re shit out of luck on kills to keep your toughness topped

[hard nexus]

then everyone will bitch that zealot is OP

then the cycle repeats!

[frozen kernel]

Wait I never actually read the changelog...

Scrier's Gaze

“Reducing the Peril Generation to make it a bit easier to access the top end power of Scrier’s Gaze. We’re also adding a 50% Peril Quell on activation, to help you in case of overcharge, and to give you more space to extend its duration.”

[solar gorge]

because they'll actually make zealot op

[heady rapids]

ain't reading all that

[mint brook]

And ofryn has easily the best toughness regen

[sullen forge]

Veteran suffers more noticeable toughness famine in those situations

[frozen kernel]

Lmao they crazy

[wary finch]

Fucking crystalline will as a feature instead of a perk lmaoooo

[hearty nebula]

Not just the ability itself, it was a bunch of right side tree talents that got buffed too

[frozen kernel]

So they just put shriek into gazer for free?

[hearty nebula]

AKA stuff you'd be taking in scrier's build anyway

[tranquil grail]

my man defending the good name of rashad even though he knows the taxe is superior

[heady rapids]

yeah they're gonna say something like "we've noticed that people don't like blowing up"

[mint brook]

Crystaline will should cause enemies to explode instead

[hard nexus]

and i am going to be very sad if/when that happens

[sullen forge]

Disrupt getting buffed for

[solar gorge]

FS can only deal with OP by making something more OP, killing a pitbull with a tiger type shit

[sullen forge]

Some ungodly reason

[frozen kernel]

Just decimate your peril with a single button push, then enjoy free yolked damage

[hearty nebula]

Disrupt Destiny buff was funny too yeah

[heady rapids]

We're closing in on the payday 2 balancing

[tranquil grail]

also yes, i can degrade it to a mobility stick because we dont live in a fantasy land where ds is nerfed

[sullen forge]

If mark boss and hit boss get stack

[polar nexus]

I don't even like using rashad tbh

[tranquil grail]

thats the state of the game

[solar gorge]

which is also why DS will never get nerfed

[sullen forge]

Actual crack pipe buff

[austere grail]

Right side psyker is kinda boring, just super zealot

[brisk raft]

Crystalline Will shoul increase damage and aoe ofexplosion from Peril

[hearty nebula]

yes it's super zealot without the safety

[austere grail]

Needs moar identity

[tranquil grail]

you have ds and then knife as diet ds if you want safety

[mint brook]

My opinion, make everyone around ogryns level, then increase difficulty modifiers, and remove cooldown talents

[hard nexus]

DWOD +++ or whatever the hell it is

havoc 80!

[frozen kernel]

"What flavor of melee weapon would you like today? Lethal or non lethal?"

[brisk raft]

Mentally more unstable Zealot

[hard nexus]

fuck no

this has gotta be the worst opinion yet

[sullen forge]

1 toughness 1 hp

Nothing but sheer boss spam

[hard nexus]

the game should not be balanced around ogryn right now

[polar nexus]

they will probably nerf it by adjusting adms

[frozen kernel]

DBNO removed as well

Instant death

[sullen forge]

May allah forgive me

[heady roost]

as cathartic as that sounds my framerate would absolutely die

[hard nexus]

everyone needs to be around zealot level, alongside a zealot rework

[polar nexus]

you won't see a nerf like they did to the PS

[mint brook]

Didnt know you were the arbiter Why do you only assume the worst when i say that

[sullen forge]

The ceiling should be psyker

At absolute most

[mint brook]

Thats what i mean, it would be fucking fun

[hard nexus]

because you just said that the game should be balanced around ogryn? a blatantly overpowered class?

[wary finch]

What if
They made those bomb collars on the psykers actually work

Overload on peril? Get blown up and tossed out the game, dont pass go, no $200 even

Kek

[sullen forge]

If we ignore Empathic

[mint brook]

And fun is more important for most people, it is a 80/20 issue

[heady rapids]

at the very least psyker doesn't get a shitload of dr so you kinda have to worry about not getting bursted down

[frozen kernel]

Im okay with psyker being "top" in the sense that a player may actually require some level of higher brain function to manage peril along with being so squishy

[sullen forge]

Psyker is annoying in the sense of they can nuke the map very easily but they lack extreme defensive options

They have ahem

Allah forgive me

Some balance

[plush estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1361946937351340122/174BDA1.MP4?ex=68009b6d&is=67ff49ed&hm=4206d5ac59911ee03f5456b6b97fd4bf66a22d51dfec68ad156d76e8f7df9c3c&

[hard nexus]

the game can be fun
with weaker characters, spawn rates were NEVER fixed in aurics, they were purposefully decreased to allow console players to have playable framerates,

before auric spawns were decreased, the game had shit tons more enemies on screen at once

[plush estuary]

Speaking of psyker

[frozen kernel]

Psyker has for as long as I've been playing it, been my brain off class

[hard nexus]

with significantly weaker classes

[polar nexus]

lack extreme defensive options > what?

[hard nexus]

and you could DO IT

the highest difficulties need to be very difficult

they should not be easily accessible

making the game easy is not making it fun

[mint brook]

Do i mean by around ,that the game should be balance around him or that the stregth level of a character should be somewhere around the vague area of ogryns strength? Clearing trying to imply that it shouldnt be strictly as good or better, but hopefully on a balanced level to create a new average for balancing

[sullen forge]

Ignoring Empathic cause that shit is so brain dead

Turn off 50% of enemies when Crit

[frozen kernel]

Remember how hellish launch heresy/damnation were? Mixture of enemies being insane and players not knowing shit yet, but still was fun

[hard nexus]

i miss original hishock damnation

it was so chaotic

[heady rapids]

launch darktide was fun when everyone bitched about ppl not picking vet to deal with shooters

[hard nexus]

lmfao

yah

[polar nexus]

you still have KD

[heady rapids]

the infantry lasgun meta

[mint brook]

People trated it like any other horde shooter

[frozen kernel]

It was either you had 3 veterans and none of them dealt with specials, or you had no veteran and nobody dealt with shooters at all lmao

[mint brook]

That was the issue

[sullen forge]

I’ve seen way too many psykers overload from KD lmao

[brisk raft]

I miss Infantry Lasgun being relatable

[sullen forge]

I don’t think they have the knowledge of that one yet

[heady rapids]

i don't

[polar nexus]

force sword users....

[tranquil grail]

very funny seeing vet go from being the best class in launch to shout bot

[plush estuary]

You don't

[heady rapids]

I think I exclusively played with infantry

[hard nexus]

i don’t get what you’re trying to say here

[heady rapids]

I don't want to go back

[polar nexus]

just use a taxe, problem solved

[polar nexus]

they're pushing with the force sword

[solar gorge]

i still run inf lasgun

[plush estuary]

I see

[solar gorge]

because it's on my og vet build

[hard nexus]

back in my day infantry las gun was the most overpowered weapon in the game…

[brisk raft]

Which one?

[frozen kernel]

Tbf it's really hard not to stroke your shit when you're edging 100%

[solar gorge]

the brown one

[frozen kernel]

Like a goblin reaches into your brain stem and assumes direct control

[solar gorge]

idk the mark

i know marks by colour sue me

[frozen kernel]

You know what'll happen, but you wanna see it anyway

[hard nexus]

that’s actually what i am

[frozen kernel]

Tap the mouse button, reject

[hard nexus]

i’m being controlled by a goblin rn like a puppet

[frozen kernel]

You know you wanna

[hard nexus]

hi ainz

[median steeple]

wooolllll

[plush estuary]

Funny zelchat tonight

[sullen forge]

I’ve hit the point of just saying fuck it buff the Vigils cause they feel miserable on everyone else outside of Vet actively investing into their “worst” keystone

[hard nexus]

tldr i’m right as usual

[frozen kernel]

inb4 someone gets banned

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/tx5x2-laughing-smile-gif-14590772

[frozen kernel]

Chat resumes 30s slowmode

[hearty nebula]

eh i dont think anyone's going to get banned tonight

noone's said slurs yet

banx

[hard nexus]

it’s all staying civil, so nobody will

[sullen forge]

Racial slurs

[hearty nebula]

[sullen forge]

Derogatory slurs

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-feeling-dog-pet-eyelashes-fabulous-gif-16441399

I would never

[hard nexus]

the worst thing anyone’s said was what i said “that’s gotta be the worst opinion yet”

[mint brook]

You assume the worst with my statement, instead of analyzing it, cause i am trying to tell you that i dont want another ogryn level, cause the toughness regen on him is too god, rather i am saying that class reworks should be in his rough ballpark area, since fun is what gets most people interested, and ogryn is chuck full of it.

Then after that, we can use the other character new strength level as an average to then balance the ogryn, instead of nerfing him to the level of classes, we all agree need a rework in the first place, since thats a gross waste of resources

[hearty nebula]

Surely

[hearty nebula]

because ur statement is just bad in the first place

[sullen forge]

The humble word that starts with an F

[hearty nebula]

it's not worth analyzing

[heady roost]

if you mean what i think you're meaning:
say you buff everyone to be as strong as ogryn, then add more enemies to bring the difficulty back up to par
you're just gonna have the same difficulty except it kills the framerate of everyone without a gaming pc

[mint brook]

Not as strong as ogryn

[sullen forge]

So Ogryn should be nerfed?

[hearty nebula]

xbox players literally going to get their consoles bricked if they up the enemy count anymore

[frozen kernel]

We call this "Asians sharing culture"

[modern lintel]

@hard nexus

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[hard nexus]

i agree that fun is what gets people interested, but making the game balanced around even more powerful characters isn’t the way to do it, it won’t be fun

the classes need to be made weaker, to make the game more challenging, and therefor more fun, as this game is fun when you are challenged

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[sullen forge]

Zealot in training

[austere grail]

I wish for the game to be balanced around much fewer enemies that are much stronger

[heady roost]

i get what you mean and yes, chewing through hordes is very fun, but i play on a crappy laptop please spare its poor poor machine spirit

[mint brook]

Yes, in some areas, people really overstate how much he needs nerfed, start with the toughness, go from there, just pinch him, after that go to reworking classes and see how he ACTUALLY stack up to the new classes with their re-invisioned kits

[brisk raft]

Inb4 Darktide Plague Marines

[hearty nebula]

just port in straight up chaos warriors

[brisk raft]

Well Plaguebearers most likely and more fun

[sullen forge]

I hate to say it

[mint brook]

That is imo the biggest issue

[hard nexus]

i want chaff to be more threatening and ogryns (specifically bulwarks) to be less common, or at least not spawning in packs of 6 that are phalanxes

[sullen forge]

But some, is a lot of areas that need toned down

[frosty herald]

Me with firebreak when it releases

[mint brook]

There has to be more ways to optimize the game

Cause my 4090 chokes up at rare moments

[plush estuary]

[median steeple]

playing MR ranked rn and this guy told us to lock in

[hearty nebula]

fartshart

[median steeple]

he left before the game started

[brisk raft]

Is VT2 optimised?

[hearty nebula]

comparitively speaking yes

but it's also a much older game

lol

[frozen kernel]

The last generation is merely holding us back...

I'm sorry little one

[heady rapids]

it also looks bad

[hard nexus]

the game’s audio channels get overloaded all the time, silent trappers would only become more common if we increase enemy count

[sullen forge]

They should just make Bulwarks have a counter play outside of Turnbased JRPG game where you take turns doing an attack

[modern lintel]

the beast

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/black-sabbath-war-pigs-generals-gathered-in-their-masses-cat-meme-gif-16029358381598420694

[hard nexus]

every class except zealot has a quick and easy anti bulwark option lmfao

[mint brook]

I was about to say “what are you on about”
I am a game designer, but i am not fully knowledgable of all areas, but i can say i am 100% sure if fs just learned more bout it, they could optimize it better

[plush estuary]

Stun nades

[acoustic dune]

https://x.com/life_with_moth/status/1912147590814351796?s=19

LIFE with MOTH (@life_with_moth) on X

I opened the window and a big, fluffy moth came in.

X · Apr 15, 2025, 2:14 PM

[sullen forge]

EStance Vet is right there

[hearty nebula]

fren shaped fren

[sullen forge]

I hate saying it

[frozen kernel]

Tbh the biggest problem with VT2 compared to DT is just how much QoL stuff was added in DT

[hard nexus]

non regenerative, terrible pathing, only 3 of them

[mint brook]

I have full respect in their capabilities, but rn the games optimization is something… subpar at best

[acoustic dune]

Its a moth

[frosty herald]

Cope

[acoustic dune]

A fluffy moth

[hearty nebula]

yeah, it's fren

[heady rapids]

STILL NO CHAT BLOCKING

[modern lintel]

make stun nades give brittleness

[frozen kernel]

At least we can mod this one in

[acoustic dune]

Make stun name stun you aswell

[brisk raft]

Make Smoke Nades suffocate enemies

[hard nexus]

make stun nades a javelin with good damage that releases chorus pulses on impact

[frosty herald]

I path through stuns and i can make it work

[sullen forge]

Permanently blinds enemies so they just run into random corners and start swinging

[frozen kernel]

VT2 has a lot of mods that'll bring it up to snuff but you just can't replace sprinting and sliding

Shit is so cash

[hard nexus]

oh you can i don’t doubt that

it just sucks

[austere grail]

Make smoke nades clear gas and fire 🧠

[sullen forge]

Not a real zealot…..

Fake zealot….

[frozen kernel]

Smoke nades clearing fire would actually be fucking huge and I'd love it

[hard nexus]

i could play with pathing through stuns, chorus, and martyrdom

[heady rapids]

we traded being able to mod anything in for p2p

[hard nexus]

i just don’t want to

i could top damage with that loadout, i don’t want to

being able to make a build work doesn’t mean it’s good

[plush estuary]

Doesn't even play the game 😔

[frozen kernel]

Stuns chorus marty just sounds DREADFULLY dull

[hard nexus]

i make mk3 evis work in h40

and its a terrible weapon

[acoustic dune]

Lads

[frozen kernel]

It's baby tho

[hard nexus]

ok fine i COULD

[plush estuary]

Hnmm

[frozen kernel]

Ever since Lumi got Ol Yeller'd nobody is left to shill the Evi Mk3

[hard nexus]

huh

[frosty herald]

We literally have cyn

[hard nexus]

im the only one who has shilled it

[acoustic dune]

Isn't that meow job

[plush estuary]

No wolps

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[acoustic dune]

I mean SHE HAS THE BADGE

[hard nexus]

lumi wanted to be me so bad

[brisk raft]

How is Zealot with Shock Maul?

[tranquil grail]

its funny

[plush estuary]

Mid

[acoustic dune]

Meow show them tye badge

[modern lintel]

i like the mk3 but thats only because the other mk plays like how mk10 relic plays which im contractually obligated to hate on

[tranquil grail]

its not good, but it is funny

[heady rapids]

still not good

[sullen forge]

I’m the Vigilant Autogun shill

[hard nexus]

it’s workable, but boring imo

[frozen kernel]

I just saw the pins before, never thought you had a similar love for it

[sullen forge]

Just no one likes burst guns

[hard nexus]

it does everything mediocre

like a worse crusher

[sullen forge]

They can’t comprehend peak

[brisk raft]

How come FoTF doesn't apply to the zaps of Shock Maul like Chainweapons Rev?

[plush estuary]

[brisk raft]

Which one? On Zealot?

[hard nexus]

lumi got it from me

[frozen kernel]

Mk3 Evi > Mk10 similar to Mk2 PGS > MkX

[sullen forge]

In general

[heady rapids]

shock maul special should let out a chain of lightning that stuns enemies and it should overheat

[hard nexus]

i’m the only one who used it like, at all, in high level play in this chat

[plush estuary]

Hi

[tranquil grail]

no more smite please god no

[frozen kernel]

one is def better, but the alt is just more fun

[austere grail]

Am I tripping or does shock maul special drain captain shield like crazy

[hard nexus]

i meant back then

[austere grail]

Swear I saw it happen

[sullen forge]

I still need to see if Vigil is havoc viable now

Post 30+

[hard nexus]

i’ve written essentially dissertations about combos, proposed changes, build advice, etc

[plush estuary]

Probably skull crusher

[hard nexus]

how

u can’t stagger them whilst their shielded

well

u san with some things

but

[sullen forge]

VOC or Falter

[hard nexus]

i doubt that it’d be shock maul

[modern lintel]

doesnt ogryn taunt also

[sullen forge]

Falter on Shaul is shockingly decent

[sullen forge]

Yuppers

Medium stagger

[hard nexus]

captain shields have max damage limits, so damage that is lower but faster will do better against them, such as chain axe or mk15 evis revved heavies

including shock maul probably

as it inflicts a DoT

and does tick damage

[heady rapids]

shock maul smite node psyker......

[modern lintel]

i still dont know how twins shields work if its just a timer or

[plush estuary]

Timer

[austere grail]

I don’t have the mod to test it in psykanium 😔

[frosty herald]

Ainz

I wiped at havoc 18

[plush estuary]

F

[hard nexus]

so much for making stuns work

certified washed

[frosty herald]

Turns out ogryn isnt too good at soloing a twins spawn

[hard nexus]

when my swag is washed

[modern lintel]

iv played two 40s for whopping 6 points am at 31 rn

[median steeple]

https://youtu.be/ssxVJPRbwhY?si=oCVGg5-sgHUbfD7F @hard nexus new autism game for you

[modern lintel]

still funy giru became a dev

[median steeple]

@copper hawk goes for you aswell

why is the new YT UI so massive what

[solar gorge]

extremely

[hard nexus]

this looks cool

[hard nexus]

you know what else is massive

[frosty herald]

Your cool

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-any-haircut-recommendations-low-taper-fade-you-know-what-else-is-massive-gif-3708438262570242561

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/they-want-me-to-fight-the-chicken-chicken-jockey-garett-garrison-steve-a-minecraft-movie-they're-telling-me-to-fight-a-chicken-gif-3990854455384480186

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/wwdits-bullshit-laszlo-she-speaks-the-bullshit-gif-23681337

[winter furnace]

incredible

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/marcille-dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-laios-fallin-gif-17100184824713666076

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/shiggy-wiggy-girls-last-tour-yuuri-gif-26167969

[winter furnace]

truth

[jagged cradle]

Kindly stop breathing

:)

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/girl's-last-tour-girls-last-tour-anime-cute-eat-gif-17232453546951015824

[median steeple]

Mighty pharaoh

How interesting

[jagged cradle]

What?

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/pharoah's-curse-pharoah-curse-gif-9768609729181577113

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeyquote-gif-17287897282409113653

[hard nexus]

the temple yearns for its pharaoh

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-billyu-gif-11631058022954695704

[jagged cradle]

Am I cursed?

[obtuse garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-pets-cats-dogs-gif-12261938

[acoustic dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1358899730083745993/1360992431499252013/ezgif-460e559d249a47.gif

[obtuse garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-441666516964176409

[wary finch]

Wasnt there some dude who flooded this chat with ferrets?

[acoustic dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1143871712736333908.webp?size=96&animated=true

[acoustic dune]

FLIODED?

You are a fool

A foul creature to utter that phrase

[obtuse garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/halal-pray-praying-cat-praying-cat-gif-19802221

[acoustic dune]

The gift us the gift of god

And you dare use the word flood

Implode thyself heretic

[wary finch]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-speech-speech-bubble-gif-15216029234956668966

[acoustic dune]

And ye
He got ban for making too much conflict

Which is stupid

[wary finch]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[frosty herald]

2 people had beef

[acoustic dune]

Now I dm him for ferrets pics and post it here

[acoustic dune]

It's uccumulation

The mod say

We all know the truth

They were jealous of our ferrets post

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-sad-crying-wipes-tears-wiping-tears-gif-24991919

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-hentschel-daniel-hentschel-goop-guy-white-liquid-angry-gif-2486699680966888871

[obtuse garnet]

:O

[frozen kernel]

I thank the God Emperor every day for the gift of silence

On a side note got the BG3 trading cards today

Hilarious that Minthy is the most expensive rn

Smokes Jaheira and Durge by two whole cents

[acoustic dune]

its choas doing for this silence

implode

https://tenor.com/view/weirdcat-funnycat-psychich-assault-gif-66649479801514757

[frozen kernel]

Grant me a swift death and you may have what you desire

[acoustic dune]

no...

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/mustafa-necohaus-kitty-cat-warhammer-40k-gif-11500918880958315641

[acoustic dune]

the ferret poster would not which so

you must suffer

the ferretocracy

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-stare-licking-lips-smell-check-gif-21267159

[frozen kernel]

Bandit was volatile, they'd def wish for obliteration

For others, naturally

[acoustic dune]

do not push your false view on i

i saw the ferret vision

you speak of lies

[frozen kernel]

I speak truthfully to you, Judas

There is naught to be gained from deception

[acoustic dune]

SILENCE FERRETICS

i sentence thee

[frozen kernel]

I miss when Zelchat would start ranking hot sauces at 3am

It's nice that it's kind of reverted back since all the chaos the last few months

[acoustic dune]

did they actually do that?

what was the top hot sauce?

[frozen kernel]

At least twice yeah lmao

I always shilled for Tapatio

I had a couple other loyal followers

[acoustic dune]

ngl idk hot sauce

i just like chili oil

in my soup

[frozen kernel]

It's funky cuz like

[acoustic dune]

or the chili itself

[frozen kernel]

once you cross a certain point of "hot" it just stops actually being enjoyable, or having an appealing taste beyond "bitter and burning for 20 minutes"

[acoustic dune]

god european and there lack of spice

[acoustic dune]

look man ik shit iz good when i shit fire the next day

[frozen kernel]

Imo the sweet spot is when you still have sauces you can comfortably dip things in

I dont wanna take a bite, then sit there with my tongue throbbing

But if it kicks my ass a little as I'm halfway through the meal, we're in business

Like I need that GULP of drank and to fan my face type of ass kicking

Made the mistake of getting some ghost pepper wings from buffalo wild wings once, and I basically would plop one into my mouth and go for a half mile walk around my work building

[opal solar]

My pallette is hyper sensitive to pretty much all peppers. Which wouldn't be a bad thing if I didn't find their taste to be revolting. It's worse than drinking vinegar. So all hot sauces are a no go. Unless there's some source of capsaicin I don't know of.

[acoustic dune]

the real shit for me iz

[frozen kernel]

Aww Ros that bites

[acoustic dune]

when you start sweating and and start sniffling

you know shit iz good

[frozen kernel]

I'm sensitive to textures so most fruits and anything that resembles the texture of cucumber is off the table

My body will revert to 7 years old and I'll start gagging

It's like, pitifully dramatic how viscerally my body rejects slimy food

[opal solar]

Yeah, like, if I go to a cheese steak place, and they accidentally put a single tiny cube of diced bell pepper in one corner of the sandwhich, I can taste it overpowering the entire sandwhich since it was all grilled together. Or if they just didn't scrape the grill good enough before grilling bell peppers previously.

It sucks so much.

[frozen kernel]

Oh that's really rough. I definitely know what you mean by the whole sammy getting corrupted

I've been fucked off my whole life on the slimy thing tho bc like

THE LION KING WAS MY SHIT

Timone and Pumba talked all that big shit about "MMMM SLIMY YET SATISFYING" when eating bugs

NEVER HAVE I EVER EATEN WET CUCUMBERS AND BEEN LIKE "MMM SLIMY YET SATISFYING"

[opal solar]

My mom is like that about any bread that's not dry. I made dumplings and she gagged and spit them out because they're "wet bread".

[grizzled aspen]

Black eyed peas, refried beans, tomatoes, cucumbers, squash of any type...

Instant gag reflex on all accounts the moment such foods touch my tongue.

[frozen kernel]

Aww you got it with mashes too. The peas and beans I can do but tomatoes, cucumbers, squash? Yeah gg no re

[grizzled aspen]

The trick to refried beans is to mix em with something to change the texture. Even basic hamburger meat is enough.

[opal solar]

I also didn't like mushed up things when I was younger, refried beans and mashed potatoes and the like. If it was too dry it'd stick to the back of my tongue and make me gag.

[frozen kernel]

As a kid, I got past eating most vegetables by just burying them in mashed potatoes and scarfing it all down together

[grizzled aspen]

It's not mushed up things that are the problem, I could down an entire pot of mashed potatoes no problem.

Just certain things have icky textures and tongue no likey.

[frozen kernel]

Is it just like, the weird...lack of structure?

Yeah

More solid than a pudding, not quite as loose as jello

[grizzled aspen]

Like black eyed peas have decent structure until you bite them and then it's the refried beans scenario again.

And gelatinous things are off the table entirely.

[frozen kernel]

"Scarf it all down together" is actually tech I still use for some foods

[grizzled aspen]

Miss me with those brown sugar cinnamon sweet potato things.

[frozen kernel]

There's a really awesome chemistry of flavors when bacon, eggs, and toast are in the mouth at the same time

Like, homemades

But I'd suspect that's prolly why the breakfast sammy absolutely took off at places like Dunkin Donuts

People love meateggbread

[grizzled aspen]

I mean it's kinda hard to fuck it up.

[frozen kernel]

YOU SAY THAT

MY BUDDY MICROWAVED HIS EGGS UNTIL WE BULLIED HIM OUT OF IT

[grizzled aspen]

Actually microwaved eggs aren't half bad.

But like.

The stove is right there.

[frozen kernel]

Could not be arsed to throw egg in pan for 2 minutes

[grizzled aspen]

10x faster on the stove.

[frozen kernel]

He would whisk in the bowl, stick in the microwave, consume

[reef flower]

Hows my fellow zealots doin?

[opal solar]

I haven't used a microwave in years.

[frozen kernel]

Straight heretical egg crafting right there

[opal solar]

I will keep my judgements at that.

[reef flower]

I havent never used a microwave in my life

[frozen kernel]

Used the microwave at work last night to heat up my hot chili mac n cheese

[grizzled aspen]

Look at Mr fancy pants over here not using a microwave. 🙄

[reef flower]

https://tenor.com/view/count-dooku-christopher-lee-star-wars-gif-23719747

[grizzled aspen]

Double negative...

[frozen kernel]

I have a stove older than most people in this chat right now

It has 2 working burners lol

[reef flower]

Lmao

[mint brook]

So i tried to adress the dead end issue, this is the best i could come up with, path now when staying at each branch is 17, tho you can reduce it with certain pathing to 16!

[reef flower]

I saw that

Dont try to deny

[frozen kernel]

If I gotta heat something even remotely quick, it's not gonna be via my antediluvian stovetop

[grizzled aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[reef flower]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in-5000k-gif-20880260

[grizzled aspen]

Gas or electric?

[mint brook]

Wrong image, here is the correct one

[reef flower]

But its the same

[grizzled aspen]

And what the hell even is this?

[mint brook]

Nope

[reef flower]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[acoustic dune]

the 10 box of hurt blitz

is insane

[mint brook]

This was the previous one

[frozen kernel]

Electric. This property doesn't do gas

[mint brook]

Images are placeholder

[frozen kernel]

My dad had a gas stove*

[acoustic dune]

nah make it real

[mint brook]

Lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

My apartment has a gas stove and I damn near burned the place down the first time I used it.

[acoustic dune]

when i throw my nade i wanna see like 4 coming out like a shotty

[reef flower]

I read it as "My dad and a gas"

[acoustic dune]

and explode my pc

[reef flower]

[small pulsar]

Asymetrical trees haunt me at night

[reef flower]

I might be dyslexic

[frozen kernel]

Out of context a random "My dad has gas" was fucking hilarious so I had to clarify

[reef flower]

[frozen kernel]

I'm glad I wont have to deal with an old farty man

Slowly turning into Winslow from The Lighthouse

[mint brook]

No worries, vets blitz abilities are gonna be spicier

[copper hawk]

Hi ogryn tree

[mint brook]

Damn that rough man

[frozen kernel]

Tfw you dont live near pine trees

[acoustic dune]

i wanna to make a build possible thats all around spamming nades

[mint brook]

Yeah, i thought why not just use ogryn icons for the moment

[mint brook]

Typo

I meant zealot

Oops

But yeah, a way to make a more fun nade build on vet would be cool

[frozen kernel]

This is beautiful

30 boxes pls

[acoustic dune]

i wanna make a build all about swimming in my enemy bloood

[frozen kernel]

Throw 5 at a time

6 throws total

[acoustic dune]

and my blood

[mint brook]

Basically, here is what i had so far for the nades:

[acoustic dune]

make martydom eviler

by you losing health every second

and gaining temporary health

the cons is you dont have range

at all

[opal solar]

Why would I need range?

[acoustic dune]

snipers

[opal solar]

Especially if they give zealot a shield that can block gunners.

[acoustic dune]

and trappers

[mint brook]

This doesnt make sense for banisher

[opal solar]

Dodge.

[mint brook]

It would make sense for the right tree

[acoustic dune]

its martydom

the idea is wanting to die

[opal solar]

That'll happen when it happens, no need to seek it.

[mint brook]

Yes, but you can do that as well by running in guns blazing :p

[frozen kernel]

No no silly, it's being too angry to die

[opal solar]

I have to assume I'm not alone in thinking martyr should be on left side and piety should be center, yeah?

[mint brook]

Mmmmhno

I am working on martyrdome to make it more fitting to middle

[frozen kernel]

I'm not knowledgeable enough on zealot tree to speak on it

[acoustic dune]

on that topic

[frozen kernel]

I'm two steps from ogryn levels of gameplay. Hit shit and praise big E

[acoustic dune]

akimbo shredder

or akimbo DB

[mint brook]

Idntities are:

• left = crit & bruiser
• middle = fire & support
• right = bleed & backstab

[acoustic dune]

i think bleed should be its own section

so does impact

[mint brook]

Note, with support, i do not strictly mean support directly

You can support by being an absolutely aggressive religious murder priest

[acoustic dune]

instead you 3 pillars

why not make it each section for different stuff

example middle part of the skill tree theres a section for backstab buff

[opal solar]

I think you'd have to completely rework how skill trees work for something like that.

[mint brook]

I will be making sure that non of the nodes feel TOO one note, if thats your worry

[acoustic dune]

less worry
more interested

it let you make a more varie build

and less taxes node

[mint brook]

I think tax nodes represent a very fun dynamic if done well

Which in itself causes variety

[acoustic dune]

that is true

[mint brook]

Like a tax nodes can be used to reach more specialised or stronger talents

[acoustic dune]

but i would persernally like if

zealot was faster

like mutant level fast

[mint brook]

The faster part is dangerous

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/orb-cursed-for-begging-gif-19071058

[mint brook]

VERY dangerous

[acoustic dune]

i wanna out joust a mutant

[mint brook]

But be assured i am working on making him a tiny smidge faster, those it will be on ults specifically

To prevent shroudfield from abusing it

[copper hawk]

Psyker will still be the fastest class and I'm okay w that

[mint brook]

Yeah but psyker has no stealth

So thats fine

The issue is the bad case user, would abuse the aggro dump and speed part to basically ditch you

Shroudfield is gonna get for that reason an extensive change

Shroudfield will have a stealth and non stealth component, basically 2 stages, with the movement speed being moved to the non stealth part

And cd is gonna get nerfed on the talents

Though the wound cd talent is gonna get a rework to still entail wounds but differently, basically a flat % regen per wound missing indefinitely

[acoustic dune]

but but my inf fury

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[mint brook]

Here is the thing

If it ends up too much

[obtuse garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hello-cat-peek-cat-door-cat-peek-door-gif-17361470248875227911

[mint brook]

We buff the cd of the ults

[acoustic dune]

btw

whats would be the change for chorus

[mint brook]

The cd talent need to be gone, perma picks hamper build diversity MASSIVELY

[mint brook]

No gold toughness

But instead other things

[acoustic dune]

ok but whats the change

bc thats just a worse voc
and i dont really care for gold toughness much

i wanna see chorus as a offensive tool

[opal solar]

damage invulnerability instead of gold toughness

Or revive teammates.

[mint brook]

Fire stack per pulse on enemies hit, then additional nodes to give yourself team a big damage boost, or give your an allies the ability to deal fire stack on melee, something around that!

[acoustic dune]

so a literal worse voc

[acoustic dune]

like thats neat and all

[opal solar]

no

[acoustic dune]

but if thats a sub node

i would be ok

but it need to be more then that

[mint brook]

Sub node, yes, the chrous mandatory tax nodes represent will have the fire damage per pulse

Was thinking 2/3 stacks per pulse

Mind you, thats a crap ton of damage

Basically can turn chorus into a horde clearer

[acoustic dune]

so middle tree is all about flame?

like in mortis with fire effect let you do rending on enemy or smth?

[mint brook]

Eyup, banisher are pyromaniacs by heart and soul, and are all about making demons actually hesitate for a slight second, cause yes they are that terrifying

[mint brook]

Lets say mortis trials gave me a LOT of inspiration;)

[acoustic dune]

would that make middle path the best melee skill tree or no?

[opal solar]

melee attack speed for burning enemies would be cool

[acoustic dune]

''fire up''
each burned enemy close to you make you melee speed faster cap at 50%

like 2% for each burn unit

chance for range to shoot our fire grease boolet

on crit

[mint brook]

Right tree will be the sweatlord death cult assassin build, which will reward risky and high mechanical skill heavily, the best tree if you are in that low %.
Middle will be the most reliable tree, fortifying your and your allies and weakening the enemy and making you in particular a monster vs certain enemies.
Left tree is more the standard allrounder, focusing on crit and making you the teams primary frontliner

[acoustic dune]

or its own chance

has it is

[opal solar]

I'd love a perk for relic blade to apply burn stacks while activated...that's not already a thing right?

[mint brook]

Certain talents make no sense where they are

Honestly

[acoustic dune]

left tree: emperor lil rager
mid tree: the healing priest with a machonistic fetish
right tree: the edge lord rogue

[mint brook]

Nope, but also it does so much damage it would almost not come into effect

[mint brook]

Basically using the lore

[opal solar]

That's kinda the problem with playing around applying burn stacks though.

[mint brook]

Left tree should make you stronger the longer you fight

Blazing piety is a perfect example of that

[acoustic dune]

had to put the fetish in

[opal solar]

Either the burn does enough damage to kill them, so any other benefit you get to burn things doesn't matter. Or you kill things with your weapon so burn stacks don't matter.

[mint brook]

Thats why i think its best used as a node

[acoustic dune]

it would be neat if martydom was on the right side instead

its the perfect risk and reward keystone

[mint brook]

Trust me, it would make zero sense in terms of DCA (death cult assassin)

[opal solar]

eh, I disagree

[acoustic dune]

the glass canon of all glass canon

[acoustic dune]

gameplay wise it would be funny

[mint brook]

Dca’s are all about gracefulness really

Kinda interesting how they didnt fall to slaanesh really

[opal solar]

yet

[acoustic dune]

wats more graceful then bleeding into ur enemy eyes and cutting them down

which if i think about it

seem like a slaneshhi thing

[mint brook]

They are described as a whirlwind of death and butchery, but in trueth every cut and stab is a fine craft of artistery

[acoustic dune]

so its the clown

[mint brook]

They are kinda close

[acoustic dune]

a knock off of the clowns

[mint brook]

But the dca see it more as death is all encompassing and the reality

[opal solar]

they're less funny.

[acoustic dune]

like the clowns

https://tenor.com/view/amirite-hadesdisney-hades-gif-5584633

[mint brook]

The harlequins see it as actual art and are less about death, and really more about shenanigans are artistery

[acoustic dune]

anyhow

[mint brook]

Like the clowns ACTUALLY perform

The dca’s just parcticed their combat to the point of it being art

[acoustic dune]

will you add a dropkicking node where i ragdoll a dog mid air or smth

like somekind of tony hawk skater pro

https://tenor.com/view/tony-hawk-pro-skater-skateboarding-video-game-gamer-gif-11429189

[mint brook]

Lmfao

It would be fucking hilarious

But i dont think so

[acoustic dune]

darn

[mint brook]

No new animations i am afraid

[acoustic dune]

can we have a sub category of fury that is just press f to drop kick someone

[opal solar]

I have to ask, as I don't frequent discord. Are you doing this for fun or are you a dev? :P

[acoustic dune]

he is a insider

(lies)

he is the reason we lack ferrets

[mint brook]

Fun

Lots of fun

[opal solar]

I'm reminded of how Jiro in payday 2, when equipped with his signature katana, could parry and behead cloakers.

[mint brook]

I did an ogryn update before and i seemed to have guessed quiet a few talents

Like cleave on heavy hitter

[opal solar]

neat

[acoustic dune]

as we know the ultimate skill tree rework

would be this

[mint brook]

God no xD

[acoustic dune]

yes the ferret was necessary to the change

[opal solar]

This was the background screensaver of my first smartphone way back...more years than I want to remember.

Just a little guy

in a little sweater.

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-sad-crying-wipes-tears-wiping-tears-gif-24991919

iz

beautiful

[acoustic dune]

iz that the man

who sold the world?

https://open.spotify.com/track/51EpFns3CG9taCMQz6XDom?si=1489e1b6804e4d8a

[solid flint]

Any tips to get the shocking stuff penance? I know most of the people recommend a flamethrower for that i don’t know what kind of blessing should i put to that weapon

[carmine falcon]

this

what u need to do is find someone who can help, get into mortis or a map that has infinite spawn areas

throw the stun then fire away

[acoustic dune]

get another zealot

find a good spot to to camp out

throw nade

and then flammer

[solid flint]

So other zealot’s grenades also count to the penance?

I thought i had to do it with only my grenades

[polar nexus]

it's the stun grenade

the flamer has infinite cleave so it helps killing everything in the stun zone

[acoustic dune]

should if i remnber how i got mine

[mint brook]

We reached peak brainrot

Left side of the tree, how we like it?

Oh wait

[obtuse garnet]

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[copper hawk]

Eugh

If im understanding ewew, if you're around 5 enemies, u get a pittance of 1.25% tness per second

[acoustic dune]

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[copper hawk]

And 2.5 if a crit

[mild sparrow]

0.25% seems weak to me, even when doubled from crits

[copper hawk]

That's... worse than what we already have

And what we have now is worthless

It's catch a breath but worse for fulfilling your class-centered conditions

My idea for it is that it shares the same base regen as catch a breath w 3 enemies

[obtuse garnet]

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[copper hawk]

But it scales with what kind of enemies you're around

[mint brook]

But wouldnt the skill scale exponentially with difficulty?

[mild sparrow]

The others seem fine but I feel like crit weapons will have a massive advantage when they stack these?

[acoustic dune]

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[copper hawk]

Eg if you're around 3 crushers it's different than 3 poxwalkers

[obtuse garnet]

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[acoustic dune]

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[copper hawk]

Maybe by doing what vet has for their class-specific tness regen; that being on headshot, tness and tdr that stacks

[acoustic dune]

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[copper hawk]

Which would make this ewew scale with difficulty; less enemies at lower difficulties, and less armor, means it's still effective relative to the threat level

[obtuse garnet]

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[copper hawk]

But at higher difficulties 8% tness regen per second is alright but kinda not as good as a flat 15% on dodging

[acoustic dune]

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[copper hawk]

(SW)

Maybe stack a small amount of tdr when around certain enemies

[acoustic dune]

SW?
star wars?

[obtuse garnet]

🍗

[copper hawk]

Which would scale with tougher difficulties - because more armor

[heady rapids]

more dr while near trappers

and dogs

methinks

[acoustic dune]

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[heady rapids]

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[copper hawk]

With a cap of course that doesnt exceed that of what vet gets for 3 headshot kills

[mint brook]

Here

Hope this is better

[copper hawk]

Hrm

20% at max stacks is kinda nuts but i see where ur goin and like it

It should be effective in engagements where there isnt a lot of enemies, so no minimum enemy count is good

[mint brook]

Left is the tree where you want to be in combar 24/7 and wanna crit stuff basically

[solar gorge]

for just 10 enemies that's insane

[copper hawk]

Like w civis or if ur fighting a boss and it pushes you out of the way of the team

Maybe tweak the stacks

[solar gorge]

like that could be 10 groaners

[copper hawk]

Ye

That's why i rlly think it should scale w enemy type

[carmine falcon]

this enduring faith is busted

[copper hawk]

But idk if that's even possible in the code

[mint brook]

What would be more balanced than? 🙂

[carmine falcon]

i like it

[solar gorge]

10%

[solar gorge]

considering you can crit like

on command

basically

[carmine falcon]

its beautiful

[copper hawk]

10's good , mby 15%

We dont want to make zealot like

Crit is all w ehave

[acoustic dune]

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[copper hawk]

Some weapons dont crit

[acoustic dune]

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[copper hawk]

By making it benefit from crit would mean that crit is once again the best build for zeal

[acoustic dune]

THE LORD HAVE GAME ME MORE FERRETS

[copper hawk]

But idk how you'd change it

Maybe doubles on successful dodge?

Instead of crit?

[mint brook]

Nono, dont worry, crit isnt gonna be all the zealot is about

[copper hawk]

W an internal timer?

[mint brook]

This is primarily left tree

[copper hawk]

Like dodge, get double regen for a bit, on a timer that exceeds the time the doubling occurs (for the feeling of a boost), then the timer resets and another dodge proc's it(

?*

To encourage players to get into melee and stay there, and to be friendly to all builds

[mint brook]

Here, ewew should be more balanced now?

[copper hawk]

Since ogryn and zeal overlap, my mind tells me to separate the two from fulfilling the same role we need to lean into their strengths and weaknesses

[obtuse garnet]

dayum

[copper hawk]

Obvious one to me is Oggy doesnt dodge

Well, obv oggy does, but the dodges are enshittified

[mint brook]

Oggy should be the most durable for sure

But zealot should be 100% more agile

[copper hawk]

So Zeal and Oggy both are melee centric close combat specialists, but Oggy gets that melee sustain from being an unkillable stone that breaks the waves

[mint brook]

Oh ehm

[copper hawk]

Zealot needs to be like a nimble serpent to avoid being hit

[mint brook]

About that

I am kinda steering away from that

[copper hawk]

:<

[mint brook]

Like the whole “i am melee only”

Left can be VERY hybrid

Melee only will be right tree

[carmine falcon]

pls no

[copper hawk]

Yeah i like that

[carmine falcon]

i like my stalwart zeal

[copper hawk]

Stalwart is fine

[copper hawk]

But they cant overlap

[carmine falcon]

relying purely on mobility ruins heavy weapons tbh

[copper hawk]

As soon as you put zeal and oggy in similar situations oggy wins

[carmine falcon]

dodges are ass on all of them

[copper hawk]

Dodge needs to be a deciding factor for fundamental talents

Later talents like stalwart can just proc and that's fine since theyre fulfilling the other condition that makes zealot unique

[carmine falcon]

if that's what u think would make them unique then get rid of ass dodges on two handers

[copper hawk]

Killing things fast and crit in a short span of time

[copper hawk]

Yes

I agree

Both can be true at the same time

[mint brook]

Okay important question

[copper hawk]

Not really

A talent that increases the dodge cap would be wonderful, being conditional w 2handers maybe

As part of a keystone

[mint brook]

What do we think of the following talents:
fortitude in fellowship
Anoint in blood
Purge the unclean
The voice of terra
Restoring faith

The top middle talents basically

[carmine falcon]

all im saying is i cant imagine relic blade or crusher being fun for me without all the toughness dmg reduction talents

[copper hawk]

Bottom two = worthless as they are

Fortitude = worthless

Anoint = good on most weapons, not necessary

Purge = necessary on a few builds, generally not needed ever

[jagged crag]

You could just put it deep in the Martyrdom branch, which would likely ensure it's used for 2-handers.

[carmine falcon]

i only take annoint and purge with bolters and revolver

big dmg reanged weapons

[copper hawk]

A mobi keystone or talent would need to be made to offset the dogshit movement on like

Relic and evis

[carmine falcon]

ill take that

[copper hawk]

But they shouldnt be ogryn coded weapons

And Zealot shouldnt be stand still and seing like a moron

[carmine falcon]

i LOVE the mortis boon that gives u knife dodges on two handers lmao

so fun

[copper hawk]

A class has that niche and identity covered

And that class does it better

Distinguish zealot from this by giving buffs on being evasive

Dodging maybe procs something that increases mobility/dodge cap/resets dodges idk

Or what minus said

Locking it to a specific keystone would be unhealthy now that i think about it

[mint brook]

what if voice of terra granted suppression immunity to you and allies on ranged kill additionally?

Or stun immunity

[jagged crag]

Zealots role is now actually pretty good when compared to Ogryn. The Ogryn rework did a good job separating their roles.

Ogryn is High Melee CC High Melee Base Damage

[copper hawk]

Vold to be honest i think a big chunk of the issue with those talent is that theyre like theyd be nice as add ons to a build

But you need to take 3 other talents to get one talent

[jagged crag]

Zealot is High Melee Spike Damage High Melee Movement and Defense

[copper hawk]

If we went off YOUR tree with all the freedom and no tax nodes, that's like

Half or 75% of the issue gone lmfao

[carmine falcon]

agree with this

[copper hawk]

I'd have to reconsider all the talents now that i have the points to take them

[mint brook]

I am using my reworked tree for that

[copper hawk]

I disagree massively

With how Zealot is right now, Ogryn does what Zealot does but better - in everything but crit

[solar gorge]

can't wait for the rework so zealot will do what ogryn does but better

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[copper hawk]

Better survivability, better tness regen, better damage, better cleave, better impact, great boss damage on nearly all weapons, great utility, and an actual ranged build

They overlao tremendously right now

[frosty herald]

a minimum of 17 points required to get to the bottom of the tree

[copper hawk]

What separates zeal from og is crits and our dodges not being shit

[stone fern]

all i want from zealot rework is 2 less taxpoints and punishment being removed as a node

[copper hawk]

That's to say nothing of the proc on dodge talents that oggy now has as well

[solar gorge]

i want the 2 other paths to not be absolute ass

[copper hawk]

And their tree in general (it's a thing of beauty)

Some weapons have faster swing speeds, tness regen, and damage than any similar zealot weapon

The cleavers are insane

Uh except the 6 it's moldy