This, i postulate, is because of the fact these weapons absolutely suffer in horde combat and shroud gives you fuck all AFTER you drop stealth
#zealot-class
copper hawk
So your average player learns horde = death
So they make their choice picks from a crowd and leave - either pop their second stealth and leave, dropping all aggro for their team to deal with, or they pop stealth after getting a pick, move up, aggro enemies, then pop stealth again and move forward
slate notch
Maybe it's not a knife problem but stealth mechanics and the false confidence it gives to the shit players
copper hawk
They're encouraged by the weapon and the ult to go for picks and avoid hordes due to their weapon choice
This isn't necessarily the fault of the player, they're a victim to bad game design
I'll die on the hill that each class has a predefined role that they're designed for - which is indicative of their sustain in combat options, eg their tdr proc conditions, tness regen conditions, etc
Zealot's role is crowd control and melee sustain through damage reduction procing through prolonged combat
Fundamentally
slate notch
Well, yeah but it doesn't help to have a horde of selfish players either. I've played with very capable and useful stealth zealots and everything was just fine, no aggro problems, no running, no 1shot, no drama...
copper hawk
Everything builds from that foundation
Melee sustain with burst dps focus, with team sustain and support focus, and... another dps focus for some reason
stone fern
Zealot's role is crowd control and melee sustain through damage reduction procin...
i feel like ogryn does that twice as good now
slate notch
i feel like ogryn does that twice as good now
Absolutely
Ogryn is now the new zealot imo
solar gorge
can't wait for zealot rework so zeal can do everything ogryn does 3xtimes better leading up to the 3rd ogryn rework
slate notch
I think they're now OP as fvck tho, but hey, they deserved it
stone fern
like shield shits on ragers to such an unreal degree while my options for zealot are dodge backwards knife them in the head
copper hawk
Ogryn players coping that Zealot is somehow still broken makes me sigh
PTers say that shit man
This game is doomed
solar gorge
i should have been a playtester
copper hawk
can't wait for zealot rework so zeal can do everything ogryn does 3xtimes better...
Nope lmfao
From the opinions of some it'd just be nerfs
There's this weird massive bone to pick with Zealot
heady rapids
well see ogryn big and should be strong
undone pewter
can't wait for zealot rework so zeal can do everything ogryn does 3xtimes better...
Gotta rework psyker first tho
heady rapids
and zealot is small therefore he should be weak
copper hawk
Nope
solar gorge
it won't be, cuz all fatshar can introduce is more powercreep
slate notch
zealot needs an urgent rework
solar gorge
so rest assured
heady rapids
Gotta rework psyker first tho
"we saw that smite was an unpopular blitz choice and buffed it"
solar gorge
zealot rework will make the class broken
copper hawk
Zealot will probably be weak after a rework is my guess
solar gorge
only powercreep
undone pewter
"Ogryn shouldn't be grabbed by nets and dogs"
What if I killed you
copper hawk
People have some absurd ideas about how we generate tness
heady rapids
"Ogryn shouldn't be grabbed by nets and dogs"
What if I killed you
that didn't make it to live
fatshark don't know what stuff means so yeah
copper hawk
With this idea that second wind is broken, our only regen, with no clue on how theyd change the other tness regen options
undone pewter
that didn't make it to live
It never was considered I don't think it was just general ramblings of fools
slate notch
With this idea that second wind is broken, our only regen, with no clue on how t...
if they take second wind from us we're pretty much fucked
heady rapids
die to trapper....
copper hawk
if they take second wind from us we're pretty much fucked
Totally fucked
Second wind is our only functional tness gen option
solar gorge
die to trapper....
that's old bullrush
heady rapids
new one still does
solar gorge
you dodge nets when in it tho
heady rapids
it was mentioned in the patchnotes that it would ignore nets
but didn't make it to live
solar gorge
are you shore
copper hawk
Are you shore
undone pewter
Probably has the same code as chastise
heady rapids
yeah I think ffffff whatshername mentioned it even
copper hawk
SEA SAAAAALT !!
undone pewter
Which is why it doesn't work
heady rapids
you can chcek....
slate notch
you do, unless you do the whole rush and then you get trapped
solar gorge
even if it's not working rn it's supposed to p sure
slate notch
I've not been trapped when rushing tbh
copper hawk
Im 100% certain at startup it breaks tracking
Ive charged through two trappers in havoc matches with it
copper hawk
They fire or just turn away
solar gorge
i'd test it but i need to go get food or else i will starve and die
slate notch
Does FS have any plans on a zealot's rework? I mean, did they ever said anything or it's just us begging them
heady rapids
Bull Rush
“Will protect you from Flying Dogs and Bullets.”
Dev Note: We previously incorrectly stated that it would protect you from Nets. It will not.
You now count as Dodging during Charge
mild sparrow
Can confirm, you get netted mid bullrush
undone pewter
Does FS have any plans on a zealot's rework? I mean, did they ever said anything...
They implied it
copper hawk
They mentioned in the patch notes for chorus the update before the last that zealot needs a rework
When they nerfed chorus
heady rapids
given how some of the talent descriptions are
slate notch
Ok, so a full Soon™️
heady rapids
2029
slate notch
60% of zealot's talents are useless
heady rapids
don't worry they'll buff psyker next patch
slate notch
soon should be a real soon
solar gorge
fatshar will be hard at work buffing the duelling sword for the zealot rework, sleep soundly
copper hawk
Some of them are so broken
heady rapids
remov talent trees and bring back vermintide careers...
undone pewter
fatshar will be hard at work buffing the duelling sword for the zealot rework, s...
I think the DS nerf is gonna be tame but there will be enough "The weapon is dead now!" YouTube videos and reddit threads it's popularity falls off a cliff
copper hawk
My assessment of the tree is thus: they had a general IDEA what they WANTED Zeal to be after the VT2 talent era, had about 8 talents and a keystone, and realized they needed to fill another 22 talent points
Some talents are super powerful for no reason
Crit tdr
Scourge
Duelist
heady rapids
I think the DS nerf is gonna be tame but there will be enough "The weapon is dea...
darktide gets review bombed and dies
solar gorge
I think the DS nerf is gonna be tame but there will be enough "The weapon is dea...
it will be a literal nothingburger
copper hawk
And then there's
Ambuscade
Unremitting
Absolute pure dogshit
Oh, and my favorite, The Node™️
undone pewter
darktide gets review bombed and dies
Fuuuck good ending
copper hawk
Einer Moment
slate notch
Oh, and my favorite, The Node™️
Everyone loves it, don't you?
slate notch
Lovely, lovely node
copper hawk
Only class w an ult tax node
Chorus golden tness my beloved
I couldnt take u if i wanted to
stone fern
Fuuuck good ending
The end of darktide: you can (not) patch
undone pewter
The end of darktide: you can (not) patch
We'll see though maybe it'll be fine.
copper hawk
What gives me no hope is that the post that they made for the Chorus tweak (nerf, effectively), they mentioned they're looking into a rework
The intent, at least far as I can see, is to encourage the use of the other two Chorus nodes
A reminder, they buffed the left and right nodes by a significant margin but nerfed tness regen each pules
slate notch
Rework is: mandatory ambuscade for everyone, oh and enjoy our extra the emperor's bullet, now with extra emperor
solar gorge
no
copper hawk
This is indicative of an intent to encourage the use of other nodes by improving them in comparison to the base chorus
solar gorge
it's more rending blessings for weapons
copper hawk
Due to base chorus being slightly weaker it encourages you to augment it with the more powerful nods
The obvious fucking solution is to MOVE the golden tness node to a node that locks you out of the other two
And not make it a tax
stone fern
the chorus buffs are stupid and they only trigger at 999 pulses which is boring
copper hawk
It's not that theyre too weak, it's that we dont have enough fucking talent points
We're forced to waste one on golden toughness
stone fern
i dont wanna sit in a corner GOONING with my relic i wanna play the game
copper hawk
It's the only ult like this
Instead of taking the obvious solution of making it optional they just effectively nerfed chorus
slate notch
It's not that theyre too weak, it's that we dont have enough fucking talent poin...
we don't have enough talent points or we have plenty of shity talents that make no sense
copper hawk
No one can afford to take the left or right node because these nodes compete with shit like faithful frenzy, sustained, good balance, anoint, etc
The "I have one or two talent points at the end of my build what semi required busted top-heavy talent do I take" talents
Hrm.. slight dmg buff on my ONE MINUTE COOLDOWN ult ?
hearty nebula
cica look itz u
lone matrix
the only reason i abandon the group as stealth zealot is to run up the gunners and bind them in meele and if they are dead i come back
copper hawk
Or.. tdr on dodge.. (i do this all the time)
Or.. dmg against close enemies makin my flamer a mulcher..
undone pewter
What if they just made it base node.
copper hawk
Or.. more dmg on attack.. or swing faster always..
solar gorge
stealth zealot's only purpose is to aggro dump a bunch of crushers on the local veteran
copper hawk
All they have to is either remove golden tness as a node or make it optional
That's it
slate notch
Hrm.. slight dmg buff on my ONE MINUTE COOLDOWN ult ?
out of curiosity, what would you say is the most logical build right now? Probably the same we all do, because there's no more options but still...
copper hawk
It's the only ult with a required node
Imagine if in order to continue through your ENTIRE TREE for Vet you were REQUIRED to take golden tness
slate notch
stealth zealot's only purpose is to aggro dump a bunch of crushers on the local ...
Fair enough. Reasonable
lone matrix
i like my gtness as vet though
stone fern
can i plz have interchangable blitzs regardless of build
copper hawk
Whaaat u wanted 2 get 2 the rest of ur build lil oggy ? U need to take ur required Taunt node of ult regen on stagger
copper hawk
i like my gtness as vet though
That's fine bro
obtuse stirrup
The worst part imo is that you have to completely redo your talents from the first few layers to change blitz
lone matrix
can i plz have interchangable blitzs regardless of build
say that to assail in psyker tree...
copper hawk
On ur shitty VoC
obtuse stirrup
even on Ogryn where all of the blitzes are accessed from a single node and lead to a single node
obtuse stirrup
say that to assail in psyker tree...
I still say that's a good balancing factor for Assail imo
copper hawk
U shouldnt be required to take a node on any ult.. which is precedent, because Zeal is the only one to ever have something like this and theyve never replicated this issue on any rework on any class thereafter
lone matrix
I still say that's a good balancing factor for Assail imo
why not idk buff smite and bb
obtuse stirrup
because they don't need a buff
copper hawk
out of curiosity, what would you say is the most logical build right now? Probab...
Oh that's another thing
Srry i am yapping
Kbitty RAGE !
lone matrix
smite i don't touch and bb sucks
obtuse stirrup
Why not just make the best 30 talent points available for every class and remove all of the other ones
copper hawk
cica look itz u
Troo..
obtuse stirrup
Brain burst really doesn't suck though lmao
lone matrix
it has to manny issues i tried it a lot...
slate notch
BB is fine
copper hawk
out of curiosity, what would you say is the most logical build right now? Probab...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/my-darktide-builds here are all the builds i have ever made
obtuse stirrup
It's so flexible. If you're trying to use it as a main weapon and pretend that your staff doesn't exist then yes, it isn't ideal.
lone matrix
It's so flexible. If you're trying to use it as a main weapon and pretend that y...
as a main range option cause inferno is low range?
copper hawk
The Ive Never Been Reworked Award goes to Zeal !
obtuse stirrup
as a main range option cause inferno is low range?
Then it isn't your main weapon and you aren't pretending that your staff doesn't exist
slate notch
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/my-darktide-builds here are all the builds i h...
Hmmm, slighty different than what I use tbh, interesting
mild sparrow
Brain burst really doesn't suck though lmao
BB is hard carried by KF. You almost never use BB itself
Too long to cast for mediocre damage
lone matrix
BB is hard carried by KF. You almost never use BB itself
that is the thing
obtuse stirrup
The pre-cast is good
undone pewter
Srry i am yapping
It's fine your points are well informed dw
copper hawk
slate notch
This is what I basically call the standard build
copper hawk
Our build
obtuse stirrup
Like it does need the modifier nodes, I'll grant that
heady rapids
darktide 2
obtuse stirrup
It's awkward without them in a pinch
obtuse stirrup
If you use a less critty weapon, top left works too
lone matrix
but i like my throwing knifes
obtuse stirrup
Top left is designed to work with martyrdom and heavy attack horde clear weapons
obtuse stirrup
but i like my throwing knifes
That's fine, the other 90% of Zealot set-ups are for you then lol
But you can do like chain axe 4 + bolt pistol and skip the top right
copper hawk
This is what I basically call the standard build
Not rlly that first right piety node is worthless
It's a tax to the second one
Ppl go right piety for the second one
The gigantic boost to crit chance
lone matrix
But you can do like chain axe 4 + bolt pistol and skip the top right
i don't touch chain weapons though
copper hawk
Left is the one that u take by itself
Stalwart is peam
I used it b4 it was cool on my shitpost build ,,
They powercrept my hipster shitpost build ,,
slate notch
Not rlly that first right piety node is worthless
fury rising?
copper hawk
fury rising?
Yes
obtuse stirrup
i don't touch chain weapons though
I guess maybe Thunder Hammer could do the same too.
Have you tried the chain axe 4 specifically? It feels really different from the other chain weapons for me
copper hawk
Unless ur playin baby mode (nb heresy and below) u kill 25 enemies in less than 5 seconds in any engagement
And ur teammates contribute
obtuse stirrup
Isn't top left Piety node the good one, if you want to 2-point the keystone?
slate notch
Or maybe stalwart instead
copper hawk
Stalwart is the better option
Fury Rising is essentially a tax to that bottom right one
slate notch
Stalwart is the better option
rly? I always thought fury rising was some kind of a must?
copper hawk
Which is a flat 10% crit chance buff
All it does is u get fury stacks on a crit hit
Unless ur using grey frogshit weapons and ur playing baby mode where there's maybe 2 poxwalkers per hive city zipcode u might want it
slate notch
Doesn't that help the CDR?
copper hawk
But u kill things instantly
vernal terrace
The Ive Never Been Reworked Award goes to Zeal !
atleast your class had keystones when it launched
obtuse stirrup
Doesn't that help the CDR?
Why and how?
copper hawk
And ur teammates killing things gets u fury
It doesnt help w cdr
The bottom one does
lone matrix
Unless ur using grey frogshit weapons and ur playing baby mode where there's may...
prepare for the poxburster waves in mortis trials
obtuse stirrup
You might get into Fury like 5 seconds sooner with it
copper hawk
Ur thinking of the bottom right talent on piety
obtuse stirrup
That is literally it.
slate notch
Ofc, makes sense
copper hawk
Righteous warrior
slate notch
yeah yeah, you're right
copper hawk
10%+ crit chance
Stalwart for most cases is the better option if u find urself at the
Crossroads i mentioned earlier
slate notch
Only went for stalwart when using relic sword
mint gorge
Between the damage reduction and non-crit builds in the pinned guide, Inexorable Judgement only provides a max of 15% damage and attack speed while Blazing Piety and the crit nodes give 50% DR, 25% DR and +200% ability CD 85% of the time right?
copper hawk
I stanned stallie even when cole hated it
lone matrix
i sip my coke and watch cica autism yap
throws pepsi max at you
mint gorge
The insane amounts of damage reduction seems way better to me than a little bit more damage/attack speed
copper hawk
Im duh hipster ,,
slate notch
*throws pepsi max at you*
Opens a Dr.Pepper
copper hawk
U already have a ton of damage reduction from ur cdr
IJ increases dps through also buffing shit like firing speed
And helps with survivability the other way
In that u dont get hit cuz of ur dodges
lone matrix
_Opens a Dr.Pepper_
this can was a strawberry and cream one
copper hawk
It's more consistent sustain and damage
Zealot also has good balance which procs on dodges
And second wind
solar gorge
do americans really cream in their soder
slate notch
*this can was a strawberry and cream one*
Good one, good one idd
copper hawk
So ur sustain is still high
solar gorge
that's scary af ngl
mint gorge
You can still be dodging with the other build though
copper hawk
Yah but theyre significant on some weapons more than others
Especially weapons with low didges
lone matrix
Good one, good one idd
had a can of it last week
mint gorge
Good Balance seems to be the only straight DR from what I can tell?
slate notch
off for food, will test later the stalwart way and see how it feels
copper hawk
Crusher's meme build is piety because it has one finesse modifier on one attack
copper hawk
off for food, will test later the stalwart way and see how it feels
Enjoy ur foodz gloopling
Crusher and THammer benefit from IJ
Wayyyy more than Piety
Piety is a net nerf to those weapons
lone matrix
ij?
obtuse stirrup
The trouble with IJ is that it feels like diet Martyrdom
copper hawk
Isn't top left Piety node the good one, if you want to 2-point the keystone?
It's right if u have 2 points. One point is left always
obtuse stirrup
I meant 2 points as in keystone + one modifier
vernal terrace
Blehs at u
copper hawk
The trouble with IJ is that it feels like diet Martyrdom
It's not
vernal terrace
always knew you were the potato from plants vs zombies!!!
copper hawk
It's why I rank marty lower than IJ
copper hawk
Marty does buff firing speed iirc that IJ does, and IJ doesnt have you edging at 0 hp - which is the biggest thing that I hate about marty
And why I put "nonfunctional" in the lil tree sticker book thing
It also doesnt buff your dodges either
obtuse stirrup
I actually like doing martyrdom without forcing the edging
It works pretty well at 3 wounds remaining
copper hawk
By extending them by a significant amount or by reducing the timer
obtuse stirrup
But I meant more about feeling really. Martyrdom also requires you to warp your build around it
copper hawk
It works pretty well at 3 wounds remaining
Ur effectively using a worse IJ at that point
That's the issue w Marty
It needs a rework
obtuse stirrup
It's risky and probably not the prog choice, I can agree with that
I probably wouldn't take it to Havoc if I wasn't too much of a fucking pussy to play Havoc again
copper hawk
It only edges the other keystones out on damage and swing speed (with a node) when you're very low, and is the only one that requires you to take specific build choices in order to make it function
obtuse stirrup
Also toughness damage reduction!
mint gorge
Anyone have ideas for a ranged weapon to pair with the Relic Blade? I almost always just yeet a knife anytime I'd need range
copper hawk
And it doesnt prevent chip damage - so you can be low and get hit and go down, removing yourself fron a match, from two blows from a poxwalker
obtuse stirrup
And it doesnt prevent chip damage - so you can be low and get hit and go down, r...
Holy revenant does a lot there tbh
copper hawk
Tdr is worthless tbh when nearly half or more of all enemies the game throws at you deals chip after their second it
copper hawk
Holy revenant does a lot there tbh
Exactly yes
But it's on a 2 minute cooldown
Your build is only letting you play aggressively every two minutes
obtuse stirrup
Which puts you to just above a wound with Blood for the Emperor making you tankier
copper hawk
Zealot is all about aggression and being in the thick of it
obtuse stirrup
I'm not worried until I've lost UD and I'm below half of a wound
copper hawk
A gunner hits you twice and you take 5 chip damage
obtuse stirrup
Well no, the Gunner doesn't penetrate toughness yet
copper hawk
If u take no gunner res curio talents it does damage after the 2nd hit
obtuse stirrup
Who doesn't take Gunner resistance though
obtuse stirrup
Are we talking Havoc here?
obtuse stirrup
Because as I said, Havoc is an awful hellscape that I will have no part of until they change the elements of it that trigger my social anxiety
lone matrix
3xstamina regen
copper hawk
Stares at the +wkspt +crit chance damage dump knife like this
obtuse stirrup
But bruisers don't penetrate on Auric Maelstrom etc either
Even my psyker can tank one single hit from one when in pristine toughness lol
vernal terrace
Are we talking Havoc here?
no what cica said about chip damage is just normal game stuff
copper hawk
With some chip damage
obtuse stirrup
no what cica said about chip damage is just normal game stuff
Gunners don't chip then, not until they deplete your toughness
copper hawk
A cab bruiser does almost 80% of ur tness in one heavy hit
A lot of damage goes through after your second hit, like rager combos
obtuse stirrup
They do make you vulnerable to chip though
obtuse stirrup
A lot of damage goes through after your second hit, like rager combos
That part is truw
copper hawk
It's not much, but at 25 hp any is a ton
vernal terrace
as far as im aware the only big change involving toughness in havoc is being able to be insta killed
copper hawk
The thing is that Marty is clearly meant to be like Zealot in vt2
vernal terrace
Gunners don't chip then, not until they deplete your toughness
they do
copper hawk
Which functions on being close to death by having temp hp u can regen and lose whenever
Ur normal hp NEVER takes chip unless u take too much damage than ur temp hp can handle
Imagine, for a moment, that in vt2 zealot took GREEN hp chip damage EVERY time he went below 75% on his hp bar
It'd make the class fucking worthless
You get to 1 hp at the beginning, get a full hp bar of temp hp, get hit by ONE skaven slave and ur down
THAT'S the state of Marty atm
copper hawk
Extrapolate
heady rapids
darktd
copper hawk
One skaven slave at Legend (using it as an equivalent for Damnation) does a significant chunk of damage on one hit; in this example, temp HP is what prevents you from taking real HP damage (toughness, essentially), and real HP stays the same - temp hp and tness are the real HP buffer, real HP is the real HP, and the skaven slave is interchangeable with any chaff enemy; although it takes 2 or 3 hits to deal significant chip in darktide than it does in vt2, the example still stands
And I specified ONE hp
ONE hp and NO until death ANY chip is a down
heady rapids
they solved it on ogryn tho!!!!
he has so much t regen that enemies can't damage him fast enough
copper hawk
In the example, the VT2 Zealot doesnt have THEIR UD up so in this hypothetical where you can take real green HP chip if below 75% temp HP, or are hit with a blow that would take you below the 75% temp hp threshold, you take chip damage
The comparison is between the fact that they both share the same name, made by the same company, from the same kind of game, fulfilling the same in-game role - they deal more damage and are more survivable the lower their real HP are
copper hawk
he has so much t regen that enemies can't damage him fast enough
LMFAO actually troo !
Pokes dhost to death w cs bb
copper hawk
i feel explaining it in vt2 terms have just overly complicated the pie recipe
Only other similar thing to compare it to
I think it still stands
heady rapids
well you can just draw it I think that would explain it pretty well
copper hawk
The solution is to have a way to mitigate chip damage that's unique to the keystone
heady rapids
green bar followed by a grey bar
copper hawk
The same way VT2 Zealot has a way to mitigate chip by abusing temp HP being affected by the 1 green hp damage reduction
heady rapids
but vermintide also had healing......
latent vortex
maybe a way to generate temp hp for your current wound?
mighty root
Then you’re just not using the build you made
latent vortex
or maybe a 30 second 1-hit grace
copper hawk
maybe a way to generate temp hp for your current wound?
Temp HP wouldn't happen in this game i think but ur idea yes
Good idea
heady rapids
maybe just make a unique mechanic that's actually just thp
mighty root
God cata is a nightmare
real sonnet
I think martyrdom should get a third keystone modifier that gives you crit % based on missing toughness
heady rapids
for martyrdom
heady rapids
I think martyrdom should get a third keystone modifier that gives you crit % bas...
worse piety basically
copper hawk
And if youre hit by an attack that would go through toughness, it's significantly reduced always, so it can help you survive an otherwise fatal hit if at full hp and wounds, which would make Marty stand head and shoulders above other keystones for survivability
heady rapids
move the uhh
mighty root
Cata be like mmm enjoy this skaven slave backshot that will insta kill you
copper hawk
In how attacks that blow through tness work in the game, they deal full damage regardless of whether ur at 100 tness or 1 tness
Think sniper shots
real sonnet
on the top left
Until death?
heady rapids
Until death?
that's middle left
copper hawk
Damage reduction being calculated based on your max wounds and not lost hp by default at base, but ramps up the more hp you lose?
real sonnet
Top... Left...
copper hawk
So u start at like
Idk 20%
And it goes up depending on lost wounds
Just spitballing
So ur keystone isnt literally worthless at full hp
heady rapids
well ok it needs to incentivise staying in combat
current martyrdom kinda has you playing defensively so you don't get a fuckload of chip dmg and die
copper hawk
It needs a way to
- Function, at least a bit, at full HP
- Reduce chip damage to not make it dangerous for maximizing your keystone's functionality (imagine if w IJ the higher ur IJ stacks the more damage you took. For playing the keystone as designed you're closer to failure [going down, death])
- Be rid of curio requirement. No other keystone in this game requires a specific curio set up in order to get it to max functionality.
obtuse stirrup
Tbh I still play aggressively after UD provided it pushes me above a wound
It's when you're down to your last half of a wound that you are really at risk
In my experience anyway
copper hawk
My Truth
misty ravine
It needs a way to
1. Function, at least a bit, at full HP
2. Reduce chip damage...
When the one legitimate use case for wound curios is removed, they should remove wound curios entirely so people will stop falling for them
copper hawk
Troo
polar nexus
the famous djihad build
misty ravine
Ironic that the character who's trying to get killed in glorious battle is the one that can get picked back up from near death the most times
heady rapids
he's not slayer
carmine falcon
when i run martydom i dont play defensive 
The keystone turns heavy weapons into combat knife
copper hawk
After I read a bunch of Gotrek n Felix
copper hawk
Even tho he's pawful in cata
real sonnet
Ironic that the character who's trying to get killed in glorious battle is the o...
Krieg soldiers:
misty ravine
he's not slayer
He wouldn't be a martyr if he lived through all the battles and died in a valkyrie crash
misty ravine
Bro lived 5 extra seconds under the burning wreckage
copper hawk
Nothing says die gloriously in battle and harder to kill at lower health than dying to a single bruiser
carmine falcon
i need mortis marty in the actual game
carmine falcon
facetanking bosses and snipers
copper hawk
Just do that
heady rapids
at least they added bardin into darktide
copper hawk
So u know in vt2 there's temp hp right
carmine falcon
yeah
copper hawk
At the top of the talent tree there's 2 twmp hp gen talents and one worthless hp talent
On every char
Zeal works by dropping to 1 GREEN hp and using his temp hp gen to go back up another 149 fake hitpoints
When ur st 1 hp u get a bunch of buffs depending on talents
Faster attack speed, damage reduction, movement speed, etc
The damage reduction/attack speed etc is calculated on ur GREEN hp
heady rapids
UNTIL DEATH IS BASEKIT IN VERMINTIDE
mint gorge
I see a lot of people taking +stam regen and a stamina curio but i've never had issues with it, why is it so important?
heady rapids
rraghh
copper hawk
So ur entire 150 hp bar of temp hp has 1 hp damage reductiob
heady rapids
I see a lot of people taking +stam regen and a stamina curio but i've never had ...
low stam weps like knif
copper hawk
AND ur green hp doesnt take chip damage
mint gorge
Only thing I can think of is Shoves but at least with the Relic Blade you can just dodge spam everything
copper hawk
So it's an ebb and flow of constantly being in melee to keep ur hp up
heady rapids
o
copper hawk
Since it decays out of combat
heady rapids
I misread
copper hawk
It's a lot of fun
misty ravine
the humble martyrdom psyker
Martyrdom Psyker should work off Corruption% rather than missing Wounds, for lore purposes (it's not heretical because it just isn't, okay)
copper hawk
I see a lot of people taking +stam regen and a stamina curio but i've never had ...
Ppl like 2 push attack
Like w knife
Or like 2 run around a lot
That's it rlly
heady rapids
Since it decays out of combat
encourages speedrunning...... loner 2 electric boogaloo
misty ravine
Only thing I can think of is Shoves but at least with the Relic Blade you can ju...
Wat
Relic Blade has some of the worst dodging in the game
copper hawk
Zealot had the fastest stamina regen of all the classes iirc
mint gorge
Wat
Relic Blade has some of the worst dodging in the game
Still good enough lol
copper hawk
encourages speedrunning...... loner 2 electric boogaloo
Not rlly
Since disablers fucking kill you
And no sprinting
carmine falcon
The damage reduction/attack speed etc is calculated on ur GREEN hp
this sounds way better wtf man 
how do u regress
copper hawk
A gutter runner kills you in 6 seconds
heady rapids
everything in vermtinde was better
carmine falcon
on a playstyle u already made
heady rapids
they had perfect weapons on release....
copper hawk
By making a tree with only a vague idea of what u want
heady rapids
P2P instead of dedicated servers
copper hawk
With only like 8 talents and a keystone in mind
misty ravine
encourages speedrunning...... loner 2 electric boogaloo
VT2 monsters straight up spawned magical fire walls to stop people from speed running past them
copper hawk
Obligatory The Node™️
heady rapids
that one guy that turns into a chaos spawn doesn't count tho
misty ravine
P2P instead of dedicated servers
Imagine getting dedicated servers just for them to end up worse than P2P, and with no ability to run one yourself like the good old days
copper hawk
With only like 8 talents and a keystone in mind
carmine falcon
Still good enough lol
nope its pretty shit
copper hawk
The Node™️
heady rapids
there were also bad things tho like torch maps
carmine falcon
i use it the msot and the dodges are ass
heady rapids
where you had to carry the torch
copper hawk
Darktide is weaker in some regards
carmine falcon
relic blade tought me postioning cause i cant just wiggle my way out of things lmao
copper hawk
But generally better
Combat is better, netcode is better (no p2p), enemy variety is wayyy better, music is better, bosses are wayyyy better
carmine falcon
P2P instead of dedicated servers
god i wish this game had p2p servers
Darktide has some of the worst servers out of any online game i play
heady rapids
nah bosses are a big downgrade
copper hawk
No gor thrust or sped up skaven slaves
heady rapids
probably the biggest downgrade from vermintide
copper hawk
Bosses in vt2 u can loop infinitely which is super boring
heady rapids
in both quality and quantity
misty ravine
The fucking hitreg in Darktide alone is atrocious, in a much shootier game
copper hawk
And it suffers from everything move on the maps slow but attacks in a nondiagetically sped up way
In darktide the enemies attack as fast as they move
misty ravine
Literally 1 in 4 times I hear the headshot noise, it didn't count
heady rapids
captains are ok ig except that they were locked behind one mission type and bugged for
2 years
copper hawk
Broken ass hitboxes and attack speeds that dont line up with enemy movement
carmine falcon
captains are ok ig except that they were locked behind one mission type and bugg...
captians need a lot of work
a single captain is a cakewalk even if you're the last man standing
their attacks are slow and ez to dodge, they rely on cheap shit like the force push lmao
twins are way better
both in movset and design
heady rapids
meanwhile vermintide had a big rat that had a small rat riding that was a weakspot
isn't that cool....
lone matrix
vt2 zealots biggest problem was elves
why and i am a shade main
heady rapids
kill the baby
misty ravine
Also early in VT2 dodging was extremely lenient and it led to bad habits
copper hawk
Ive of the evil mindset that bosses shouldn't necessarily be so strong they should kill u on their own easily
But instead kill you by forcing you to focus them
And by creating space for enemies
And for that all meaning stress and pressure
lone matrix
was fun to burst monsters as shade with dagger&sword
copper hawk
Like the philosophy of a breakthrough tank in wwii
carmine falcon
call me crazy but i wish darktide did away with the active dodges system and just made dodge timing tighter
This way u get rewarded for skill
copper hawk
Strong, tough, but slow, with the goal to create an opening for the chaff to do the damage
heady rapids
why and i am a shade main
cause people would run this shit
copper hawk
Some bosses should trade hp for increased dmg tho me finkz ,,
Like the dh ,,
Since it creates space by ... doing that and by killing someone and fucking off
heady rapids
the only time bosses actually become a threat is when shit snowballs or if there's a ledge nearby
carmine falcon
And for that all meaning stress and pressure
i mean that's fine and that's basically what the bosses here do
i just wish it had more actual bosses like the twins
lone matrix
cause people would run this shit
i couldn't even use it
heady rapids
but on the other hand
copper hawk
Fast, high dmg, not as tanky as others
heady rapids
vemrinid had a lot of careers that were made for boss killing
copper hawk
Tanky, fast, low damage
carmine falcon
ok hear me out
just give me an actual boss fight at the end of assassination missions
u do a whole ass mission just to nuke the "boss" in 1 second lmao
lone matrix
i stabbed through heavy elites and monsters
copper hawk
Tanky, high damage, slow
heady rapids
their whole kits pretty much tailored to that
copper hawk
Balance ,,
carmine falcon
keep the current states of bosses but make assassination missions actually have a tough encounter at the end
lone matrix
a team game!!!!!
i am shade shadow stealth and stupid damage
carmine falcon
i need twin captains at the end of that one 
heady rapids
when bosses spawn in vermintide its like o
when bosses spawn in darktide its more like eh
copper hawk
You handle engagements differently depending on which boss is present
lone matrix
stealth carrying or ressing was usefull
hard bough
I feel like lieutenants are good identity, a step up from random captains
heady rapids
if you feel me
copper hawk
I feel like lieutenants are good identity, a step up from random captains
Troo
Wish they appeared in monst maels
hard bough
I do too
carmine falcon
arent the lieutenants just reskinned twins
hard bough
arent the lieutenants just reskinned twins
yes, but it's better than just Damage Sponge Number 8
lone matrix
burblescourge was it?
heady rapids
where's the tox ogryn
hard bough
because they actually have resistances and weaknesses
carmine falcon
yes, but it's better than just Damage Sponge Number 8
i like twins so no complaints from me
heady rapids
burblespue is a bitch
lone matrix
say that to fire dot bw
heady rapids
vermintide is 6 years old and people still run into his tornado
lone matrix
i toasted this sucker
heady rapids
some people never learn
lone matrix
bw/shade i played both a ton especially in cw
carmine falcon
honestly bosses in dt can still be tough if u get a bunch of green ones in malestrom
i had 3 at the same time yesterday
all green
lone matrix
i hope we get sonething similar to cw
heady rapids
we might
copper hawk
because they actually have resistances and weaknesses
Yerp
copper hawk
Moldfield
carmine falcon
when are they making another assigment mission
copper hawk
heady rapids
shroudfield is bad
copper hawk
I have so many of my manly lil dolls unlocked now ,,
heady rapids
Shade is good and makes you uhh
chain thing to reset cd
so you're incentivised to actually spec into elite killing
but vermintide had patrols
like actual patrols and not whatever we have
misty ravine
Being able to move through enemies while in stealth is yuge
undone pewter
They gotta do a dreg mauler that's like stormvermin
hard bough
we love pulling figurines
copper hawk
TROO !
undone pewter
Then put a billion patrols
lone matrix
Bootleg patrols
10 crushers spawned instantly behind you
copper hawk
Bulwark punishment wave
heady rapids
remember how on release there wasn't even enough ogryns
to do that one shitty penance
copper hawk
Remember when enemies were weaker
And then they buffed them
And everyone got a rework 2 fit
But us ,,
Zigh ,,
undone pewter
remember how on release there wasn't even enough ogryns
I do remember that hahaha
3 ogryns tops
heady rapids
remember the mauler buff
undone pewter
Do 100% brain burst damahe to a monstrosity too
carmine falcon
one thing i want is for crusher to be like chaos warrior
i didnt play VM but from what ive seen
chaos warriors are 10x tougher
undone pewter
They kinda are they gotta shout
copper hawk
undone pewter
ELF
heady rapids
misty ravine
one thing i want is for crusher to be like chaos warrior
Yeah, to make armor clanking noise and talk a boatload of shit so I can actually hear them
hard bough
for zealot specifically I want them to change chorus into an actual fucking book
carmine falcon
Yeah, to make armor clanking noise and talk a boatload of shit so I can actually...
and not get 2 shotted? unless u can do that in VM too
hard bough
like I'd be totally fine with pulling a scripture model out and reading from it
heady rapids
chaos warriors are 10x tougher
(they really aren't)
heady rapids
you can actually hear them so they're a lot more easier to deal with
copper hawk
Mostly cuz of dogshit vt2 combat
Their attacks are sped up
They walk abd move slow but their attacks are unironically as fast as like 433 ms
Totally breaks like how u expect combat to go
misty ravine
and not get 2 shotted? unless u can do that in VM too
Depends on weapon, class, and era (e.g. was Legend still the highest difficulty)
copper hawk
The punch is like 500 ms and can do half ur hp + stun
carmine falcon
insane had dork's audio engine works pretty good in hersey or normal damnation but eats shit and u start not hearing half of the sounds when there are too many spawns
heady rapids
there are also shield chaos warriors now
undone pewter
What we need is blackrats
undone pewter
The punch is like 500 ms and can do half ur hp + stun
- the flashbang stun noise too
heady rapids
they're like bulwarks if they weren't annoying as shit
copper hawk
Yah
solar gorge
What we need is blackrats
they're just reverse maulers
copper hawk
They have "stamina" and will drop their shield eventually
misty ravine
What we need is blackrats
They want to make Scabs a rarer and more elite faction, more distinct from Dregs, so a Scab Breacher could be a good analogue for Shieldvermin
copper hawk
Bullies only do that w stagger stacks
carmine falcon
i hate bulwarks so much
copper hawk
They want to make Scabs a rarer and more elite faction, more distinct from Dregs...
Troo
undone pewter
they're just reverse maulers
Which yeah we do need Hahaha
carmine falcon
i mag dump bro and he gets stunned for 2 seconds then puts his shield back up
copper hawk
Move fast, attack fast, armored (to break up engagements), more hp, appear in high numbers
solar gorge
Which yeah we do need Hahaha
i feel like a mauler without a carapce head would just fold even harder
copper hawk
Ehat if.. 4 skulls.. they added.. skaven.. 4 a few days..
undone pewter
Next update adds bestigors
copper hawk
Pawesome..
heady rapids
skaven have shield enemies done right
copper hawk
I always thought as like an april fool's event where skaven had a chance to spawn would be pawesome
heady rapids
you have to double push to open them up
copper hawk
No they dont fuck shielded blackrats
heady rapids
meanwhile fuckinnnnnn darktide
copper hawk
Oh i hit them the 9th time now they open up
solar gorge
yeah because the shield enemy is a fucking ogryn not some rat
misty ravine
Ehat if.. 4 skulls.. they added.. skaven.. 4 a few days..
But we are the skaven in 40k
copper hawk
Pushes them but everything else eats my push
carmine falcon
the bulwakr mechanic here is to bait their attack and counter except it doesnt fucking work when there's a platoon of them
heady rapids
undone pewter
I hate tide games and I hate playing them
carmine falcon
i like tide games and i enjoy getting me balls crushed
misty ravine
I love lamp
heady rapids
me when I try baiting a bulwark and it smacks me with its shield instead
copper hawk
copper hawk
me when I try baiting a bulwark and it smacks me with its shield instead
For all ur stamina
For some rsn
For those who havent played vt2
solar gorge
CW also takes ur hp doing a similar move
copper hawk
Imagine the shield bash but it also does half ur hp flashbangs u moves ur camera and knocks u super far back AND is 433 ms
heady rapids
cw has an uppercut
carmine falcon
im playing with a friend constantly now and i legit tell him to bring ogryn and save his nuke for bulwark patrols lmaoo
heady rapids
fun shit
carmine falcon
cba
lone matrix
i hate bullwark patrols they are not fun
copper hawk
Bulwark punishment wave
carmine falcon
errmmm ze bulwarks are annoying by design to force teams to invest into anti armor nades!
copper hawk
Nah just use ur own broken ogryn
carmine falcon
except i cant decide my team in pubs brooOOOo
carmine falcon
Nah just use ur own broken ogryn
2lazy2levelup
i hate leveling up in horde shooters
frosty herald
Meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow
copper hawk
The game basically plays itself as ogryn
carmine falcon
all of them have it and all of them do it wrong
carmine falcon
they should make leveling 2x faster after u leveled ur first one
misty ravine
all of them have it and all of them do it wrong
The pain of leveling weapons in SM2 after you're done leveling the class
heady rapids
can crusher still pa a bulwark
copper hawk
The pain of leveling weapons in SM2 after you're done leveling the class
Oh god
This shit sucks
carmine falcon
The pain of leveling weapons in SM2 after you're done leveling the class
thank the lord they added the trade thingy
copper hawk
Added what
carmine falcon
mfs in sm2 were doing highest diff underlevled to farm xp 😭
copper hawk
Im grinding out my green plasma gun
copper hawk
mfs in sm2 were doing highest diff underlevled to farm xp 😭
I KNOW
misty ravine
thank the lord they added the trade thingy
Still gotta grind the XP for the rarity levels
copper hawk
Fuck that shit
Dude
J was playing last night basically corpse dragging a team
And im like
Wtf y arent they fucking killing anything ?
jagged cradle
Imagine the shield bash but it also does half ur hp flashbangs u moves ur camera...
It’s react able so it’s gotta be balanced
carmine falcon
as much as i love sm2, it has too much grind for how little content it has
copper hawk
I die via parry stunlock
solar gorge
blame the slow ass grindy slop
copper hawk
Look at their levels
misty ravine
And in a game where everything is a dreary absurd hit sponge even with relic tier weapons
carmine falcon
took me a while to get what i want
carmine falcon
dude
frosty herald
Level lock lethal +
copper hawk
carmine falcon
Level lock lethal +
PLEASE GOD
solar gorge
And in a game where everything is a dreary absurd hit sponge even with relic tie...
how the gaunt looks at u when u hit him with that dollar store bolter round
copper hawk
I just swapped 2 bulwark and then we won
Me watching the single warrior face tank 6 shots of plasma
Looks at me mewing
frosty herald
oh nah
carmine falcon
i mean on the positive side, highest diff games with 2 veggies tought me how to clutch in sm2
copper hawk
frosty herald
plasma incinerator is ungodly strong
carmine falcon
yep
lone matrix
i tried spacenarine 2 but i swapped back to darktide
frosty herald
ive had the big blue bird be killed in 3 seconds
misty ravine
how the gaunt looks at u when u hit him with that dollar store bolter round
Tyranid Warrior after no-selling forty consecutive headshots from a Heavy Bolt Rifle
carmine falcon
Tyranid Warrior after no-selling _forty_ consecutive headshots from a Heavy Bolt...
you're in luck cause this one is a beast now
im watching clips
frosty herald
im currently using powerfist on bullwark
copper hawk
Ye
carmine falcon
they mega buffed it in patch 7
copper hawk
HBR is peak
carmine falcon
saber is great at taking feedback
frosty herald
saber is great at taking feedback <:Haha:1079933221782945823>
some would disagree😌
lone matrix
maybe i go back into it in the next bonus weekend
carmine falcon
some would disagree😌
some people are WRONG
copper hawk
carmine falcon
copper hawk
Still the funniest clip i have of sm2
frosty herald
look up reqiuem agent
copper hawk
Dont have any hbr gameplay i clipped sorrgy :< just trust
frosty herald
and then look at his community tab
copper hawk
It's peak
carmine falcon
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2/clips/j8abjyueYJQlZ_FCP/sp...
i love perfect parries lmao
frosty herald
should tell you something about saber's biggest hater
lone matrix
sm2 parry simulator
frosty herald
hopefully heavy bolt rifle will be able to profit from heavy stance
cause currently in the PTS it doesnt
carmine falcon
good lord this man is upset
copper hawk
8 HOURS ???
frosty herald
youll find some very incriminating stuff
copper hawk
Does prestige reset everything
frosty herald
Does prestige reset everything
resets your level
carmine falcon
look at the community tab
cant find it wtf
jagged cradle
hopefully heavy bolt rifle will be able to profit from heavy stance
I hope
frosty herald
look at posts
carmine falcon
prestige is just promotion in drg
frosty herald
you get a prestige perk
copper hawk
Are they actually useful
frosty herald
varies from class
copper hawk
Do i have to re fucking level every weapon again
frosty herald
bullwark has 30% healing on stims
carmine falcon
i watch first tour guardsman for sm2 the guy's a beast
frosty herald
and 1% cooldown reduction on ranged hit block
copper hawk
Unless that shit gives me head i aint doin that shit
frosty herald
Do i have to re fucking level every weapon again
its only your level being reset
copper hawk
Ok
carmine falcon
sm2 parry simulator
AKSWALLY block is popular now
copper hawk
So my relic hbr will still be relic
carmine falcon
instead of parry animations u block 3 times in a row
then deal mucho damag
its actually really good but not as convenient as stunlocking everything with parries
copper hawk
I dont believe u yam yam
frosty herald
cyber please look at his posts and scroll down
copper hawk
@frosty herald oh.
frosty herald
space marine 2's biggest hater is a pedophile
carmine falcon
god fucking god man
frosty herald
carmine falcon
kill him with fire
stone fern
what about the second biggest hater? @frosty herald
copper hawk
Lmfao
carmine falcon
carmine falcon
copper hawk
He doesnt hide any of it what the fuck
Gonna report like all of these posts lmfao
Be so fuckin funny if his ass got banned
jagged cradle
space marine 2's biggest hater is a pedophile
Who would that be
copper hawk
Requiem Agent
frosty herald
Who would that be
reqiuem agent
copper hawk
Goonet pdfile
frosty herald
the dude i sent in the server yesterday
lone matrix
but sm2 is not my flavor though i play from to time soulslikes
copper hawk
Grubcord..
copper hawk
frosty herald
almost all of heavies prestige perks fucking suck
you have 1% cooldown on blocking ranged hits on bulwark and 30% extra healing from stims
and then you have heavy with
copper hawk
What about tactical
frosty herald
ehem
copper hawk
Yam u never answered my question
frosty herald
50% extra range on stomp
frosty herald
carmine falcon
they need to do away with the "sneeze at 10 enimies for 5 seconds to get a buff that lasts 0.5 seconds"
sm2 is a rule of cool type game
do away with this situational garbage
it doesnt work
its not practical
frosty herald
assault got shafted hard
you get your full ability back when you find an armour boost
problem being
the things dont fucking spawn in absolute
carmine falcon
the devs really have a thing against assult lmao
i feel like they just ai generated the skill trees and learned how to fix them a long the way
at least they're learning
god bless
frosty herald
they did get a LOT of feedback regarding the prestige perks
misty ravine
Couldn't they make jetpack fuel a resource with more granularity than "0, 1, or 2"
jagged cradle
reqiuem agent
Oh yikes I’ll be sure to report them when I’m back from my classes
misty ravine
So they wouldn't have to do fiddly shit like "get a charge back when you perfect dodge with a jump pack, also the talent that says jump pack dodges are guaranteed perfect doesn't always work :^)
jagged cradle
Will i have to regrind my wpns
No
solar gorge
there's presting perks, holy grindalony
jagged cradle
Also cica I still have classes tomorrow so I won’t be able to play till later
carmine falcon
So they wouldn't have to do fiddly shit like "get a charge back when you perfect...
they should just most perks flat bonuses or abilities that aren't finnicky af lol
misty ravine
there's presting perks, holy grindalony
"No you dont understand I need to make line go up or there's just no point in playing a video game"
carmine falcon
the game doesnt have the systems for convoluted shit
heady rapids
i do
acoustic dune
is it good?
heady rapids
it's pretty good but mainly if you're playing with friends
and if you don't like the balancing there's always mods
was a very hot topic when the game released
with enemies wallbanging you and shit
acoustic dune
with enemies wallbanging you and shit
o thats peak
copper hawk
Certainly best in genre
copper hawk
Singleplayer is awesome
solar gorge
i played with friends and i didn't realise there was a story tbh
carmine falcon
i played with friends and i didn't realise there was a story tbh
there's a story in each level but its just environmental storytelling
solar gorge
no i mean, there's an actual overarching thing
copper hawk
carmine falcon
oh wouldnt know cause i only play random missions with friends every few months
copper hawk
Lmfao
copper hawk
"There's no story. Oh, there is? I didnt know I never played the story mode"
Cyber we're gonna kill u w rocks
carmine falcon
acoustic dune
https://youtu.be/KCELdDg0HSI?t=393
is that darkside phil
acoustic dune
what is that creature
copper hawk
Wings of Redemption
frosty herald
im going to make saber reset weapon progress on prestiging
copper hawk
Im going to rip out ur throat w my teeth
And then cannibalize ur corpse (like my super hero role models the adeptus astartes 
)
Cannibalism is only ok when spez mareens do it
frosty herald
funny how they completely forgot that marines can gain the memories when they eat a corpse
copper hawk
Requiem Agent gave the source for one of his images to a dude asking in his comments
His whole audience man
All rotten
Face the wal and prepare to be purged
Cant use the just picked it off a meme excuse then
frosty herald
Bro gets over half the ratings in dislikes
copper hawk
LMFAO
frosty herald
But no negative comments...