zealot-class

[merry flume]

ironbreaker natbond

it's good when ur doing tome runs where there's no healing anyway

[tranquil owl]

More of a Gold Bond fan myself

[wary finch]

Fatshark needs to let zealot DW melee so I can dw knives and live out the death cult fantasy

[tranquil owl]

[misty ravine]

Need to let everyone wield melee+pistol

oh I'm sorry I thought this was 40k

[neon relic]

were going to be here for a while huh

[placid fiber]

You do know the enemies have to have their gun out as well right?

[neon relic]

what

we're going to be here a while huh

[placid fiber]

Yeah they don't count as a ranged with a melee weapon out

[fleet zealot]

chorus gives 3s of invuln to you and your friends in range when it ends

wtf

[frosty herald]

Que up in sedition

[neon relic]

i want what hes having

[wary finch]

I agree tbh
Melee and pistol would be sick too

[neon relic]

let me stab and shoot

[frosty herald]

Hmm

Rapier and pistol

[copper hawk]

Dual wield wpns

Pls

[radiant shell]

Dual wield knives for maximum stabbing. The Westminster special

[wary finch]

Lemme dual wield a sawn off double barrel and a sword

Lemme slice and buckshot motherfuckers like Nobunaga from Basara

https://youtu.be/scbie9B1DBY?si=tIcFHQ_r7hMXAMCX

[copper hawk]

Who comin 2 my reenlistment party

[frosty herald]

Investement time

[plucky sparrow]

cant believe they made natural bond into darktide!

for this

[visual stream]

I forget

Is backstab cooldown once per swing or is there an unlisted cooldown

[plucky sparrow]

its like a .5 second cooldown iirc?

[stone fern]

loner, shroud, and throwing knives can be comboed if im not mistaking

try to get backstabs in stealth with throwing knives away from teammates

[visual stream]

Doesn't ranged count as backstab

Or no

[hard nexus]

bro voted yes on all of his own changes

lmfao

awful changes

[stone fern]

ikno

[plucky sparrow]

WTF

[stone fern]

at some point i was voting no on things before reading them

BUT

BUT BUT

[plucky sparrow]

isnt UD cooldown only 120???

[stone fern]

he has like 2 good ideas

[plucky sparrow]

so this just has 0 cooldown then

[stone fern]

the anti barrel, knockback talent sounds fun

[frosty herald]

Bros glazing himself

Some of the talents are so niche

Like taking less damage from gas clouds

Literal dead talent

[hard nexus]

all of these

adding rending to ij???

[misty ravine]

Entire economy is a giant pump & dump scheme (we are entering the dump phase of the cycle)

[hard nexus]

a couple seem nice, like adding swap speed to dance of death

[frosty herald]

Gentlemen we are making bank

[stone fern]

also punishment not removed from the game.......

[plucky sparrow]

also adding in free healing team wide is a bit iffy...

[frosty herald]

People should just let the testers handle talents

[hard nexus]

yeah

[neon relic]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-red-cat-evil-cat-normal-cat-gif-7123425318368299957

[misty ravine]

Only those of us who have money to buy the dip

[frosty herald]

Community feedback should be considered

[hard nexus]

let me in the test…

[placid fiber]

iirc they change it to like 180 seconds or 300

[hard nexus]

only mine

[frosty herald]

But entire tree overhauls is just talking to the void

[violet hornet]

how dare you be a voice of reason, we are dogpiling this man

[hard nexus]

180 i’m pretty sure

[frosty herald]

Cause you need multiple people to craft a tree

CYN SHUT UP GODDAMN

[hard nexus]

300 would be far too long

[visual stream]

It better be 70% or more to be worth my time

[hard nexus]

huh

who pissed in ur cheerios

[frosty herald]

Test deez

[placid fiber]

me

[plucky sparrow]

i like how they removed a 20% sprint cost reduction talent stating too weak then made a aura for only 15% sprint cost reduction

🔥

[hard nexus]

what were you even saying shut up too

[neon relic]

quick, someone post The Build

[stone fern]

NO

[placid fiber]

yes

[frosty herald]

Grrr

[stone fern]

no one post the impact build

[frosty herald]

Youve made daddy angry...

https://tenor.com/view/wolp-boop-gif-5768456306323051158

[hard nexus]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand blocked

[stone fern]

im 100% sure the lines on grevious wounds werent in the original and you added it yourself

[frosty herald]

NOOOOOOO

[lean lark]

hell no

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-crying-dragonball-gif-5926814

[hard nexus]

fym “added it” i made the image

and i reworked it to make it more accurate

[frosty herald]

200 gold toughness to chorus

[stone fern]

no it was lumii

[hard nexus]

no he did not

if he claims he did then he’s lying lmfao

[stone fern]

ur a noob and clearly incapable of using paint

[neon relic]

im going to eat The Build

[plucky sparrow]

honestly this sounds like a somewhat decent idea

[stone fern]

no

remove stealth

[hard nexus]

a couple seem like interesting changes but a vast majority are terrible

[hard nexus]

idk why he wants to add point taxes to knives AND scourge

when the zealot tree is already hard pressed for points

[frosty herald]

This is a 1/1 copy of the shade ability btw

[plucky sparrow]

yea from vt

[hard nexus]

chorus is the ONLY ability in the game with a mandatory tax

[stone fern]

because people on the forum think tax points are the way to balance

[misty ravine]

High pick rate means they're overpowered, there is literally no other possible explanation

[stone fern]

i made threads about tax points and got dogpilled by sweats

[hard nexus]

hmm it’s totally not that the other trees suck abysmal dogshit or anything

i love spreadsheet balancing

[stone fern]

noooo u dont get it removing point taxes means we can not balance existing talents nooo

u dont get it circles are more op than dots!!!!

[hard nexus]

true

[frosty herald]

Ogryn tree does it perfectly

[hard nexus]

ogryn tree needs to get kneecapped

wayyyy too strong rn

[frosty herald]

Have so many good talents that its hard to pick talents

[stone fern]

dont care crunch time

[hard nexus]

you shouldn’t be able to light attack spam a DH to death without dodging or blocking

and out healing its damage

[languid dagger]

Ogryn genuinely needed a very small buff and it got three times stronger

[hard nexus]

it’s what they did with psyker too

[stone fern]

https://streamable.com/icl2f8
this shit is way too fun

[frosty herald]

I love lightspam toughness

[neon relic]

based!

[hard nexus]

psyker needed a few buffs and changes to encourage variety and they just

made it absurdly OP

[stone fern]

ogryn still very week give frag bomb 2 more charges

and box 9823 more

[hard nexus]

it happened with the original vet rework but then that got powercrept

it’s gonna happen with zealot too

[languid dagger]

They did that with box. Box is just frag bomb with 3 charges

[stone fern]

peak

now make frag bomb regenerate

[plucky sparrow]

so the one ogryn talent but just.... a bajillon % more dmg boost

[hard nexus]

then every other class is going to cry that zealot is OP and call for nerfs, but no changes to their own classes

and then the cycle repeats again

[languid dagger]

Last patches class balance imo was nearly perfect. Every class felt strong and useful

[stone fern]

https://tenor.com/view/vrchol-kinematografie-czech-cinema-sverak-gif-9532700467705172955

[hard nexus]

not really

ogryn needed some buffs

[misty ravine]

Perfect block boss attack, then dodge the next one (assuming Duelist still exists in this universe), then bonk it

[hard nexus]

zealot has needed a rework since the beginning of trees

vet was in a weird middle ground

and psyker was extremely OP

[languid dagger]

Ogryn was probably the strongest non havoc class in the game already. It was just weak in havoc

[hard nexus]

and still is

[hard nexus]

if you had a coordinated team, karsolas ogryn would be better than relic zealot in 90% of situations

[heady rapids]

i think all they need to do rn is buff psyker

then the game will be balanced

[languid dagger]

And compete with flamer psykur

[carmine falcon]

the good thing about ogryn rework is playtesters cant nerf zealot now othewise they're taking the piss

ogryn deals comical amount of dmg

[stone fern]

tru buff purge staff carapace damage
remove boss warp resist

[heady rapids]

uncap soulblaze globally

make it go to 31 from every source

[stone fern]

yes YES

[hard nexus]

every time i see a certain someone (you know who you are, hiii) talk about “taking zealot out back and shooting them” it just makes me sad because of course the ogryn main would think that

[stone fern]

and make uncanny stacks fade one by one and last 30 seconds each

[plush estuary]

Playing today meow?

[languid dagger]

The only real weak class at this point is veteran. I feel like zealot and psykur are tied well enough, and then ogryn is just broken

[hard nexus]

if i do it’ll be later tonight

i’m gonna be busy today

[carmine falcon]

untl death is so broken meanwhile ogryn can literally get toughness on demand by.........hitting stuff

[plush estuary]

Okay, I wanna use mk 4 taxe in a duo

[plucky sparrow]

what are you talking about?? uncanny stacks now charge passively one by one(still can gain normal way), and only decay on down.

[hard nexus]

duelist, until death, and second wind are sooo broken

ogryn has duelist, and can out heal a daemonhost by light spamming.

[frosty herald]

Who?

[hard nexus]

no but trust me guys ogryn is soooo weak

[languid dagger]

Ogryn doesn’t even need golden toughness in havoc 30. It’s so brain dead

[carmine falcon]

psyker has infinite cleave
nerf second wind

[sullen forge]

I kid you not I purposely turned my brain off

Got hit back to back with 4 bursters

30 corruption at most

LMAO

Ogryn is weak I promise guys

[frosty herald]

Isnt your brain always off...

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-backflip-speed-backflip-ishowspeed-backflip-gif-12661145440690617681

[sullen forge]

Only when playing Ogryn lil bro

[plush estuary]

No one needs gold toughness in havoc

[carmine falcon]

ok real talk tho i dont think they're nerfing anything
they're gonna treat normal board as the gamemode for new players, aurics as the challenging mode that isnt really challenging if you're good and havoc as the true hard mode TM so they gotta keep characters havoc viable trademark TM

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-tweaking-lag-funny-ishowspeed-tweaking-gif-4669442869668719763

[carmine falcon]

basically go play that dogass mode if u want challenge

[misty ravine]

You see if you turn brain off first, then play ogryn, your intelligence underflows to 255 and you play like a turbogenius hackerbot, trust me that's why ogryn seems overpowered

[languid dagger]

Humans definitely do. I literally died to 3 bullets in havoc 40

I died basically before I could react

[hard nexus]

and zealot is sooo broken

[plush estuary]

"I"

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[hard nexus]

even though zealot has ONE single main path with the only differences being keystone

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-krill-world-krill-lobster-lobster-fried-krill-fried-gif-7150912747510295957

[carmine falcon]

lmao say that again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjpap8Ili6s&t=1546s

what a weak class

[hard nexus]

and one keystone is objectively best because CDR

[carmine falcon]

only two of the best weapons in the game and one of the best blitzs

[plush estuary]

I mean, the 1st true duo for havoc 40 was a vet and ogryn

[copper hawk]

yo yo yo mama yo mama yooo mama

[placid fiber]

and insane utility you can grab on the talent tree

[carmine falcon]

all the "Vet weak now" makes me think people just cant fkn aim?

[hard nexus]

zealot is not ANYWHERE on the level of psyker

[sullen forge]

Veteran is ahem “weak” in other areas

[hard nexus]

psyker damage output is insane

and has better melee than zealot

[sullen forge]

I think it’s just cope cause veteran has gotten nothing new for nearly a year

[frosty herald]

Genuinely crazy stuff on new havoc too

[hard nexus]

zealot has survivability, that’s it

[fleet zealot]

disgusted ferret

[plush estuary]

Okay, vet is the weakest, the least broken. doesnt mean he cant do any of the new difficulty

Keje is a level 2500 vet that only plays las rifle

even in havoc

[frosty herald]

Vet is the most well balanced class

[plush estuary]

and he alot to say about the class

[frosty herald]

Cant wait for powerfist

[carmine falcon]

that's what im saying
just because its the least broken class doesnt mean its weak and not worth playing

[plush estuary]

He hates the class

[sullen forge]

VOC

Goofy

[fleet zealot]

just like how "psyker weak" people just suck at melee

[frosty herald]

Gale shut up

[fleet zealot]

it's the same song and dance

[sullen forge]

DNC

[languid dagger]

The flamer is basically the best gun

[sullen forge]

Goofy

[plush estuary]

It was very impressive, just it being hab dreyoko is a big underwhelming

[frosty herald]

Gayle your a bum

[plush estuary]

no mid event spawns

[hard bough]

what are the blessings for tac axe that people like to use

[sullen forge]

🪞

[frosty herald]

Yeah spawns looked too scarce imo

[plush estuary]

flak unamorured, brutul headtaker

[hard nexus]

kid named infernus staff

an infinite ammo flamer that also has psyker buffs to build off of

that’s also quicker to draw

hmm

[plush estuary]

mk2 or 7

[hard nexus]

it’s got shorter range

that’s it

lmfao

[frosty herald]

Imagine silo cluster havoc 40 encroaching garden enraged enemies

[hard nexus]

that’s the only “downside”

[hard bough]

that's it? okey

[hard nexus]

but considering that it gets even more damage thanks to psyker buffs to warp damage

it’s moot

[neon relic]

i have no memory of getting this

[sullen forge]

Duo with my MMF Exec Vigil build

Ainz did it

So can you yam

[plush estuary]

mk4 doesnt have any sweeping attacks to use Brutal efficiently, its still good but lacks the horde clear the other 2 have

[hard nexus]

i think it was an event or something, i think i have it too

[neon relic]

hm

cool

[stone fern]

dlc

[hard bough]

is agile or relentless bad for it?

[plush estuary]

yes

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/rpg-maker-fes-rpg-maker-fes-gif-14913176679166429006

[plush estuary]

If you want I can go in depth about them, but shrimply they arent good

[sullen forge]

I’ve seen people say uhh HT and whatever the hell the hit same enemy is good

[plush estuary]

relentless

[frosty herald]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIB9ULKhCFd/?igsh=MWtjbXB6emQ2MTV1aQ==

[sullen forge]

But I’d rather do Shred HT on Mk4

[frosty herald]

Im putting you in a freezing shower

[hard bough]

I'll take your word for it I've just never used it before

[sullen forge]

I’ve taken cold showers

[frosty herald]

Get ready to die due to 20 exploding hiss

[sullen forge]

Literally dnc

[plush estuary]

test all of the blessings outs, its literally a sandbox for our weapons

[carmine falcon]

when is fatfish changing wrath dropping stacks if u do a push attacl

[plush estuary]

run whatever, have fun

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-shower-dance-gif-2700526984349492453

[plush estuary]

welcome to the tactical axe gang

[hard bough]

gotcha

I'll use the ones you said and I'll dive into others after I got all the blessings maxxed

thanks

[frosty herald]

give laspistol agile

[hard nexus]

agile isn’t worth because both damage blessings are very needed on taxe, and relentless only matters for crushers and bosses, which isn’t enough to be worth it

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-penios-144p-lag-gta-trolling-gif-18384514

[hard bough]

omg meow

hi

[hard nexus]

hewwo

[hard bough]

I figured agile was a good blessings due to the extra weak spot damage tbh

[carmine falcon]

i hate having it cause whats the point ofa blessing that drops stacks by you doing basic game fundmentals????????

heh you're playing the game correctly UNSTACKS YOUR STACKS

[frosty herald]

I cant wait for firebreak

It looks so fun

[copper hawk]

Yawns at u w such force u r incinerated

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-breathing-dragon-gif-2717638591291048781

[carmine falcon]

these words were not in the bible

[copper hawk]

I heard ppl r sayin zeal and psyker r on the same level

[misty ravine]

Also Agile makes you develop bad habits, I got too used to infinite dodging force swords when the game first came out and it took me a long time to unlearn it

[copper hawk]

And that vet is weaker than both

[carmine falcon]

the remedy game? hell yeah me too

u just reminded me i need to add it to wishlsit

[copper hawk]

I implore u 2 perhaps play the video game

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/fbc-firebreak-fbc-firebreak-paranatural-augment-multiplayer-gif-15098207097164965303

Reality bending gnome deployed

[copper hawk]

Ur like a Signalis fan

[carmine falcon]

it looks goofy as fuck (good)

[copper hawk]

Darktide class tierlister finally plays Darktide

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[neon relic]

is there like

[copper hawk]

No.

[neon relic]

for backstab, an indication your

aw

okay

[sullen forge]

MMF feels like abysmal dog shit playing right

Yet I’ve managed with an exec build to outdamage psykers

Veteran is fine, but I’d appreciate if they could fucking change how MMF decays

[misty ravine]

You can make your headshot multiplier go to moon, it just feels like shit because you have to sweat so hard comparatively

[sullen forge]

Just means you’re better if you’re out damaging a psyker 🚬

Especially when you’re not playing baby mode VOC

[misty ravine]

What if the psyker played as sweaty with the newly buffed SG+DD and weaving assails for peril edging

[sullen forge]

I literally did that with friend

Neck and neck on damage the entire time

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-15719325597742543552

[sullen forge]

Literally I feel like the reason “Vet is weak” to people is cause of two things

One, taxing tree

[copper hawk]

Vet is just outdated

[sullen forge]

Two, lack of veteran only content

[copper hawk]

Outdated tree design philosophy

Tax nodes

[sullen forge]

It’s a fine class

[copper hawk]

The talents and fundamentals of Vet are very good

There's some broken talents

[frosty herald]

This is why we need powerfist

[misty ravine]

Melta Gun

[sullen forge]

It just needs a tree restructure and boom

[copper hawk]

But just about everyone has busted talents

[sullen forge]

He’s back to being powerful

[copper hawk]

Yah another tree rework methinks

The oggy tree is the standard

[placid fiber]

vet powerfists a crusher
"..."
vet's arm flies off

[copper hawk]

It should all look like that

[sullen forge]

Not even fucking rework

Just restructure

[stable cypress]

lets rework vet and re rework psyker before reworking zealot

[frosty herald]

Path was brainstorming about a vet rework

[copper hawk]

Vet is just a victim of their rree

Tree*

There is some busted shit tho

[north sedge]

Just move 3 nodes and call it a day

[misty ravine]

guardsmen have had access to power fists for decades

[sullen forge]

MMF does absolutely need a rework though

It’s incredibly anti how the game plays

[copper hawk]

Im willing to let everyone have their busted talents if i get holy rev and the other talent

I rank the classes like this rn

[frosty herald]

Marksman focus is the only keystone that radically changes how you play the class

[sullen forge]

Zealot and Vet imo

[frosty herald]

And i like that

[sullen forge]

Are the same

[copper hawk]

Psyker, followed closely by Ogryn, slight gap, Veteran, and at the bottom Zealot

[sullen forge]

In the sense of suffering from outdated tree

[copper hawk]

vet and zeal are not the same

puttin my phone down 2 whip out the paws 2 type dis

vet's tree is what psyker's tree is to Oggy's tree in comparison to our tree to Vet's tree

put simply, when compared to Oggy and Psyker, it's outdated

[sullen forge]

Plugging my ears and saying lalalala

[frosty herald]

Word spaghetti

[copper hawk]

when it's compared to Zeal it's from the fucking future where cars fly and u can own a house on one income

[sullen forge]

Ogryn compared to anyone

[copper hawk]

Oggy's tree is great

Wonderful

[placid fiber]

People can own a house with 1 income?!

[frosty herald]

Vet also has the folding shovel that does cracked damage

[copper hawk]

Talents are kept in an area that makes sense

[sullen forge]

Is like a poor person seeing a billionaire for the first time

Lmao

[copper hawk]

damage talents are kept around one another

impact talents are kept around oen another

you can cross freely between trees

minimal tax

tness nodes literally all right next to eachother

[sullen forge]

You can literally

Make any build

[copper hawk]

exactly

same w psyker

[sullen forge]

And make it good as well as fun

[copper hawk]

they're the standard

[sullen forge]

No no you don’t understand

[copper hawk]

veteran is old oggy tree

[sullen forge]

You have to path through an ability to get a keystone

It’s bad!

[copper hawk]

u can make an amazing build, there's a few, that are totally busted and do what they do better than similar classes do

i'm thinking heavy hitter w bleed dr and batter w shield/pickaxe on ogryn

[frosty herald]

Vet's tree needs to be trimmed desperately

[copper hawk]

best horde clear/management mixed w single target damage in the game

survivability, reliability, damage, cc

it's all rated super high in all

[frosty herald]

They shouldve never put keystones directly under an already bloated tree

[copper hawk]

but everything else is dogshit

[sullen forge]

That’s really the only huge issue Vet has

[copper hawk]

veteran has that to al esser extent

[sullen forge]

It’s just tax

[copper hawk]

there's not a whole lot of sense in keeping similar talents with eachother

so give you an idea of what you should take together

[sullen forge]

Zealot needs reworks on weaker talents and a restructure

[copper hawk]

by putting them by one another

and by minimizing taxes on points by making you stretch far and wide for two similar talents, or talents designed to compliment eachother

[frosty herald]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHs__XxuV4X/?igsh=MTB0YWw4OGkzMjBldQ==

[copper hawk]

Zealot needs a rework

just period lol

[sullen forge]

I can’t see whatever the fuck you’re sending

[frosty herald]

Cringe

[copper hawk]

broken talents (good), broken talents (bad), useless point taxes, outdated tree with 4 points to a blitz with no crossing over at all

the only mandatory talent tax node on our shittier VoC

two worthless cdrs

a cdr that's great because we have some of the longest on cooldown talents in the game for some fucking reason

[sullen forge]

It’s so weird how lopsided Zealot is

[copper hawk]

yeah let's give voc a 35 second cooldown w a talent that gives you a flat 6 second removal off that cooldown for killing one of the most common enemy types in the game at higher difficulties

[sullen forge]

Either broken overpowered talent

Or

Broken fucking useless never choose it talent

[copper hawk]

and then give zealot a pulse that doesn't stagger as much as voc does with a mandatory tax a one minute cooldown

makes taking iod mandatory

6 seconds of 35 is 17% cooldown reduction on specialist kill in other words

[copper hawk]

yah

bleed tdr

it needs the treatment oggy got

[sullen forge]

Fatshark hitting zealots with unlimited genocide

[copper hawk]

get these talents and break them in half, or in pieces

[sullen forge]

Unlimited genocide upon the Zealot playerbase

[north sedge]

Just move 3 nodes, whichever ones people will get angry over

[sullen forge]

Right left anywhere

Behold

Zealot Tree

Also a wild fact

Ogryn has the most busted “Rending Bleed” build cause you can use Shovel or Club and apply Brittleness and Skullcrusher

[copper hawk]

Rework it

I was gonna say but i 4got i needed 2 out on moisturizer

Zealot's tree is just clearly unfinished

[sullen forge]

Aka more damage than the 3 humans can pull with a Rending Bleed knife

[copper hawk]

There's a middle tree node where a talrnt should be

[mighty mesa]

There was a shark with a circle sawblade in its mouth as teeth

[north sedge]

No my way is funnier

[copper hawk]

It's like they had an idea of what they wanted and had no idea how to get there

So they bundled up these busted need to grab talents, put them on the tree, and went "now what"

[sullen forge]

Limiting Blitz’s to pathing is incredibly cringe

That’s my take

[copper hawk]

Alright we got the talents that give these kinda ideas of builds we want for zeap

Ok u got 30?

We got uh

Looks at board

... 8

Alright.. random bullshit go !

Unremitting, that marty iod that's just wtf

A pittance of tness regen when in combat that doesnt scale at all with difficulty

They need 2 break up those 8 talents and help out the other 22

Duellist, crit cdr, second wind

And ffs pls dont leave nodes where a talent should be

[misty ravine]

generic "toughness regen" bonuses might as well be added to all sources because coherency regen is a joke

lots of incentives to stay in coherency but the toughness regen sure isn't one of them

[carmine falcon]

this

[mighty mesa]

i want more dodge talents, like longerer dodges, dodge through people and stuff :3

[sullen forge]

Remember when Ogryn players would always use that

[carmine falcon]

let me pick my fkn granade 😠

[sullen forge]

And now none of them do

[sullen forge]

Cause they don’t need too

Lmao

[misty ravine]

"Oh but look how fast it regens when out of combat"

[neon relic]

a talent where i uh

[carmine falcon]

i never realized how bad this is 😭

[copper hawk]

Clearly unfinished dude

[neon relic]

become a psyker

[hard nexus]

zipple zap

[copper hawk]

Look at that, look at our broken talents, then look at our shit talents

[neon relic]

right

[copper hawk]

And you'll see it too

[hard nexus]

zeeple zorp

[copper hawk]

They had an idea for 8 talents and needed 22 more

[neon relic]

is there an indication for backstab in game

[misty ravine]

in a game where you spend either < 2 or > 20 secodns out of combat

[sullen forge]

Me when I uhhh uhhmmmm brace my gun and get 12.5% toughness every second

For fucking aiming

[copper hawk]

How about giving us toughness relevant to the shit we fight in combat lmfao

[carmine falcon]

they put 3 of the best talens right after that funny node tho lmao

[sullen forge]

Oh yeah fun fact

[frosty herald]

You dont want a generic node as a tax

[copper hawk]

Why does ewew give no fucking toughness

[sullen forge]

Slam isn’t limited to melee

It effects ranged

[copper hawk]

Oggy hits one enemy w his two talents and has like 30% tness

[sullen forge]

So I’ve straight up made a Sniper build on Ogryn that always has a net positive stamina with concentrate

[copper hawk]

What if to make it so ewew scaled it still depends on being around a minimum of enemies

But depending on the enemies you're around it awards more toughness or tdr or whatever

So it scales with higher difficulties where there's more enemies and threats

[frosty herald]

Achlys heavy stubber my beloved

[copper hawk]

Less than 4% a second is nice in malice

[sullen forge]

I mean if you want the build

I’ll straight up send you it

When I’m off

It’s literally Veteran but you never die

[frosty herald]

Youre already

[sullen forge]

Exec stance Vet

I should state

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

With lightspam toughness on krourk mk4

[sullen forge]

It’s so dumb

Point and click adventure for Ogryn

[copper hawk]

It's all so moldsome

[sullen forge]

Don’t even get me started on their new passive

[copper hawk]

Nerd meme

[sullen forge]

The level of handholding that thing does

It’s actually gotten me killed playing vet once

Ogryn spamming dodge

[frosty herald]

How

[copper hawk]

God so it's not only me

[sullen forge]

Pushes a shit ton of poxers around me

Barrel detonated

Flings me off the map

[copper hawk]

Ogryns dodging around you can push poxxers into you

[sullen forge]

Instantly DC

cause I’m not playing with that

[copper hawk]

Which means no dodges for you

Because poxxers laying on the floor are the size of 100 ton tungsten cubes

[sullen forge]

Actually 200

[copper hawk]

300

[sullen forge]

True

[copper hawk]

That mfer contains Goonquest

[sullen forge]

You don’t understand

How mad that made me

Especially when I was playing fucking Exec Vet

[copper hawk]

I cant like

[sullen forge]

Like I had it handled

[copper hawk]

With that dodge pushing things over

Ppl still complaining about holy rev

[frosty herald]

Keeping one of the strongest elite viltrum warriors in a prison cage that mark can bench press

[copper hawk]

Hot take: holy rev and its hp regen talent should be combined and be a default passive

[frosty herald]

Guess what

[mighty root]

I like club orgyn now

[copper hawk]

The survivability of staggering chaff on dodge is nuts

[frosty herald]

It worked this way on launch

[copper hawk]

I onow bro m

I played since launch bro .

Oil u up bro .

[mighty root]

Love the heavy mixups I can do

[frosty herald]

Were friends since launch lil bro

[stable cypress]

nah launch you had to choose between health from holy rev and twbs

[mighty root]

[copper hawk]

Oggys say that well it's not so good cuz its effectiveness goes down after u run out of dodges

The gg has 5 dodges.

[frosty herald]

Really?

[copper hawk]

A bunch of weapons just have 4 or 5

Yes

It has 5 dodges

[mighty root]

Tbh slam is op

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jXvDvjkXujY1X8KWR/spok?invite=cr-MSxYMEMsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
Three dodges on a stubber

[mighty root]

Infinite stamina

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jXvwCoDklsasO6j5O/spok?invite=cr-MSxSY3UsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
Clubs got four !!

I wonder if oggy has better dodge counters than fucking zealot

[frosty herald]

Ogryn doesnt have lingering dodges

[sullen forge]

Honestly at this point with how BS passives are on the two abhumans

Yeah fuck it

Give it to Zealot

And then get rid of Determined and make it Vets new passive

Just to be immune to suppression

[copper hawk]

Vet needs one too

Shit was in vt2

[mighty root]

Make twbs and until death passives

[hard nexus]

what if instead the title was

nvm

[hard nexus]

what passive does psyker get

[copper hawk]

Frown !

[frosty herald]

Go on.

[hard nexus]

i shan’t

i shart

[mighty root]

Go on

Continue

[copper hawk]

Kickbacks and the rumblers have 5 dodges btw

[plush estuary]

AND ROCK

*caps

[copper hawk]

Yerp

So yah

I dont buy the but passive bad cuz no dodges

[sullen forge]

I believe it’s only Warp meter but that alone with what you can work with

Is insane

[hard nexus]

(infinite rocks btw)

[frosty herald]

Do you think you will one day crumble under the weight of your sins cyn?

[hard nexus]

(even more infinite)

[copper hawk]

And I dont get the hr and its partner talent being "broken" being reasons for it to be removed, like all the arguments i get for it pose zealot as a class u pick in a pvp game

Too survivable on the survivability class with a two minute cooldown

[hard nexus]

no im perfect and flawless

i have done no wrong and will face no consequences as a result

[copper hawk]

It feels arbitrary too

[sullen forge]

Too survivable!!!

Looks at Ogryn

[hard nexus]

waiter waiter more toughness please

[sullen forge]

Waiter waiter

[neon relic]

too survivable? me, hyperfixated on martyrdom:

[copper hawk]

I want zealot to be worse on a talent you can run fine without because

Idk

[sullen forge]

More DR please!

[copper hawk]

It's fairer i guess

[hard nexus]

martyrdom only feels usable with mk15 evis to me

[copper hawk]

But i wont give you a venue whereupon I can establish what "fair" means

[hard nexus]

buff martyrdom CDR

[copper hawk]

Ill just say fair and assume everyone understands

My marty hot take

[misty ravine]

for me it's mk10 relic blade

[copper hawk]

No chip damage above a certain tness percentage

[lean lark]

bro think he fatalis 😂😂😂

[copper hawk]

If damage would break toughness in one hit then its damage after tness breaks is reduced

So spicy..

[frosty herald]

I mean.........

[hard nexus]

also anyone who says CDR should be removed from zealot tree is genuinely stupid

zealot was made with CDR in mind

if cdr is removed then all ability cooldowns need to be reduced

30 second cooldown on fury is far too long without CDR

especially compared to other class abilities

[sullen forge]

Fatshark then came down

And answered

Zealot nerf
Zealot nerf

Psyker buff

[frosty herald]

CDR being balanced by turning it into % based is the best balance change fatshark couldve made

[sullen forge]

Change every CDR talent into it lmao

[frosty herald]

TRUE

[hard nexus]

fury is a light stagger on human enemies, 50% toughness, a single more powerful attack, and 25% attack speed for think 8 seconds

voice of command is a force heavy stagger on every enemy in the game, fully refills your toughness, and with an auxiliary node, gives you and your team golden toughness

both on 30 second cooldowns

not to mention the red nodes on vet for ability damage boosts

the difference between their ability is just insane

[sullen forge]

Ogryn with the new taunt can. Consistently lock down hordes and have toughness and stamina capped

Literally popped taunt

5 times

With Go again node

[hard nexus]

or ogryn charge which is a force heavy stagger on everything in the game, applies bleed, only stops on bosses

[plush estuary]

nerfed Feel No Pain

(for the 5th time)

[hard nexus]

also on a 30 second cooldown

[plush estuary]

5?

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[sullen forge]

Unlimited genocide on FNP users

[frosty herald]

Me and gang

[sullen forge]

I’m not gonna say it’s better than VOC cause

Yknow Golden

But you get high DR

[hard nexus]

it’s definitely up there

yeah

[sullen forge]

You’re literally unkillable

[frosty herald]

Put iron will on ogryn

[hard nexus]

anyway tldr zealot needs cdr, just lock cdr talents so you can only pick one

[sullen forge]

And you make the game a snooze fest for your team cause every enemy is on you

[hard nexus]

nerf IoD to +100%, rework pious cutthroat, make MP useful

[copper hawk]

nop

[sullen forge]

Just make

[copper hawk]

just nerf

[sullen forge]

Cut throat

[copper hawk]

playtesters say zealot is broken

most broken class of them all actually

and the most fastest

[sullen forge]

Reward backstabs and weak spots

Like it’s wanting you to “be an assassin”

So reward hitting backs and heads

[copper hawk]

@plush estuary u got room 4 one more

[sullen forge]

“But that’s Veterans thi-“

Explode

[plush estuary]

sure cica

[copper hawk]

but that's veteran's thing

[frosty herald]

Ogryn right now

[plush estuary]

it was just a duo

[copper hawk]

ohg

[plush estuary]

if you want to jkin sure

[copper hawk]

lmk when ur done

i boreful

[sullen forge]

💥

[plush estuary]

were both good with it

[sullen forge]

Ogryn is balanced!

They say

As it single handedly destroys nearly everything

[copper hawk]

smells like teen spirit comes on

aaaand SKIP !

[frosty herald]

Dorn said that rumbler gunlugger spam is the strongest build right now

[sullen forge]

He’s not lying it is

[frosty herald]

With thr ranged rending submode for gunlugger

[sullen forge]

I’ve literally played that build once

It’s like Smyker levels of

No one plays the game except me

[copper hawk]

set to private...

ainz u tease..

im tearin up ur curtains..

[fleet zealot]

special delivery

[frosty herald]

Now imagine a 4 stack

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-cat-cat-cats-cute-cat-gif-8951430968375206589

[sullen forge]

🛌 💤

[misty ravine]

Rumbler goes even further beyond

[sullen forge]

That’s what I fucking think yam

I’d rather just not play

[misty ravine]

It's like a Smyker but you get 2/3 the single target DPS of the thammer

while also nuking everything in the area

[sullen forge]

So are we encouraged to bully Ogryns now

Is this the consensus

[solar gorge]

i've yet to see this build in the wild

[sullen forge]

Be thankful

[solar gorge]

rumbler is so boring that's why it's not common

[sullen forge]

I don’t think the majority of Ogryns know yet

[solar gorge]

who tf wants to play with the rumbler

[sullen forge]

Cause it’s so ludicrously overpowered

[solar gorge]

when you have kino shit like the GG

[misty ravine]

rumbler was shit for a long time + they're still soypogging over the ripper gun buffs

[sullen forge]

Give it a week

No

Month

[misty ravine]

also if you don't have a beastly PC the rumbler spam build will demolish your framerate

[solar gorge]

rumbler is just not appealing to play with

[sullen forge]

It’ll be EK Staff Scriers spam all over again

[solar gorge]

so many other actually cool shit on ogryn

who aren't rumbler

in term of blandness it's only outdone by the default heavy stubber

[copper hawk]

@plush estuary set 2 private u monstar..

[plush estuary]

mb

restarting now

so you can join

[misty ravine]

Also when will Ogryn finally standardize on Shield + Grenadier Gauntlet so you can have it all without even needing to switch weapons

[plush estuary]

I'll add you so you can join next time

[solar gorge]

unless they add the shield to the GG, never

that would also be awkward since you'd be able to run mace&shield + GG&shield

unless they make some kind of special rule or whatever

[frosty herald]

Grenade gauntlet wouldnt work anymore

Cause its a quite complex weapon

[solar gorge]

it'd have to be reworked ofc

the best thing to do would be to just make another Mk instead

that comes paired with a shield

[misty ravine]

Maybe as part of an overhaul to allow the classic 40k melee + pistol (never gonna happen)

[solar gorge]

and is mechanically not the same at all

[misty ravine]

Shield+GG could be its own melee slot weapon (Weapon Special swaps to ranged attack instead of shield brace) but the lack of ranged blessings would probably make it suck

Unless they made it so equipping GG+Shield in melee slot locked your ranged slot to GG and it used those stats

[frosty herald]

You would lose the punch

[misty ravine]

Yeah you would have to toggle it back to melee to punch with the gauntlet

[copper hawk]

x___X

[mild sparrow]

Why does the Evis sound like a 2 stroke engine now?

[plush estuary]

sorry

was me

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/goog-nukes-gif-1631316569746026002

[mild sparrow]

How dare you

[clever swan]

goog...

[plush estuary]

oggo

[visual stream]

Could just make the right click an aim+block at the same time

Shooting while bracing

[bronze juniper]

Is mk III better than VX for heavy evisocator?

[tidal berry]

why did they need to make ogryn two shot monstros again

[plush estuary]

overall 15 performs better

[bronze juniper]

Gotcha thanks

[copper hawk]

goog nuke

i died..

it ovar..

i invade ur duo

do u want 2 me to go so u can duo ?

[bronze juniper]

Any stats that I need to focus on?

[plush estuary]

we can keep playing

[misty nova]

[plush estuary]

check pins if you want to know dumpstat

[misty nova]

You can dump Cleave Targets
80% =11.7 cleave
60% 10.9 cleave

[bronze juniper]

Gotcha thanks

[plush estuary]

@copper hawk

idk how

[copper hawk]

yip yee !

[plush estuary]

it just stopped

[copper hawk]

lmfao

it stopped on the ledge at the bottom of that statue i think

geometry helping for once

[plush estuary]

thats what we thought

but I was a bit in front of it

[jolly venture]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[plush estuary]

oh wait

it probably was

[copper hawk]

pawesome knife..

[plush estuary]

different moveset

simply, mk2 easier single target

mk10 easier horde clear

every melee every mark fits zealot's playstyle

[jolly venture]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[languid dagger]

The relic blade would be goated if it did better versus carapace

[plush estuary]

huh

it is goated

have you truned it on

turned

[languid dagger]

I actually saw someone other day talk about the relic blade to their friend in my havoc mission, and they never actually turned it on

Safe to say we lost that mission

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-rdr2-arthur-morgan-confused-wtf-gif-16103884

[languid dagger]

They would never stop talking in voice and they were like “I just started using it and it’s my new favourite weapon”

[frosty herald]

how does the relic blade not have enough carapace damage

[languid dagger]

It does like 500 damage to carapace

The running poke only does like 3k I think

[frosty herald]

"only"

https://tenor.com/view/speed-smiling-speed-ishowspeed-trying-not-to-laugh-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-2336905834632375345

[languid dagger]

It’s not easy to constantly proc the running poke

[mild sparrow]

It's regular activated heavies don't do that much to carapace

[languid dagger]

Only ogryns get the ability to completely annihilate everything including carapace on every melee weapon

[plucky sparrow]

the power maul

[mild sparrow]

Just use poke stick, solves all problems

[fleet zealot]

it does

lol

[plucky sparrow]

big stick has always been the way humanity solves stuff

[fleet zealot]

it doesn't need to one shot crushers to be good vs carapace, it can 2 tap crushers.

[mild sparrow]

An ancient tradition

[fleet zealot]

that's extremely glass house considering for most of this game's lifespan we as zealots could annihilate carapace with every ranged weapon

[plucky sparrow]

silly FotF

[sullen forge]

Trust

[hearty nebula]

glerp

[misty nova]

Evis15

Simply my goat

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[frosty herald]

the goat with a target cap of 4

[plucky sparrow]

at least ogryn escaped that fate

[misty nova]

FS knew it had to be nerfed somehow

Otherwise it would ruin the game

[mild sparrow]

Just wait for evis to be unleashed

[misty nova]

It's just that good

[frosty herald]

it would be hilarious if mk15 became busted because it was uncapped

[mild sparrow]

We'll be able to cleave...

5... Pox walkers...

With buffs...

[sullen forge]

Most likely lmao

FS then answers

Nerf the damage cap

Make it 3

[plucky sparrow]

nerf damage cap

make it 0

cant hit any enemy

[plucky sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271676247709192203/1328255777772933161/D1869F62-9332-4970-B548-28235BB7EDAF.gif

[misty nova]

4 unrevved
6 revved

[plucky sparrow]

how about 7 revved.

[misty nova]

Relic Blade to Evis15

https://tenor.com/view/be-proud-you-strong-gif-4114582023911341112

[mild sparrow]

What is DS in this scenario?

[solar gorge]

lord of all

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wilds-uth-duna-truth-nuke-true-explosion-gif-7665580920288066795

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wilds-uth-duna-truth-nuke-patrick-star-squidward-gif-1889848931976865018

[median steeple]

Can't wait for the Lagi duna fight

[misty nova]

Hard to say

RB and Evis are generalist

[frosty herald]

Tempered lagi oneshot

[misty nova]

Idk make DS Toji

💀

[sullen forge]

Except RB is

Literally better in every way

[misty nova]

My goat 15 still holds strong

[frosty herald]

tempered 5 star mizutsune throws hands

his tail spin move literally puts me at 1 hp

[misty nova]

Not that much against hordes though (8secs diff)

[copper hawk]

i have discovered a new bug

[plush estuary]

that was goofy

and ponti was stuck in a wall

[misty ravine]

Theoretically, high mobility single target specialist. In practice, its horde clear is fine except in situations where you'd ignore hit mass anyways with flamer

[copper hawk]

that was awesome

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/k1KMWmPxmezXVN1gt?invite=cr-MSxTR0YsMjA0MjU2ODk0

i was not

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[plush estuary]

I wonder

[frosty herald]

Cica the 1 person using shock maul

[plush estuary]

I edged the revive, did It think you died

[copper hawk]

my build was awful

[plush estuary]

but still in the game?

[copper hawk]

i think so

when the cspawn was eating me i think i until death'd

[plush estuary]

maybe

[copper hawk]

then i was gunned down by a gunner

[plush estuary]

but that leaves at 1hp

[copper hawk]

i hit 0 hp but it kept regenning my hitpoints

[mild sparrow]

I meant in terms of jjk, I know how DS works

[copper hawk]

for some reason

like i hit 0 and it kept ticking up like i died

and then i went down immediately

[misty ravine]

Classic

[copper hawk]

might be reproducible if you get grabbed with above a wound of corruption and have until death not proc'd, like so u can die, and get dropped below 1 hp while being chomped

get grabbed with at least one wound left, get shot at without until death and munched so u drop below 1 hp, then get downed

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/k1KTx7d5qQBKiN6ag?invite=cr-MSxIVDgsMjA0MjU2ODk0

[clever swan]

that corner is the deadliest single place for FF incidents in the whole game probably

though i guess that was more suicide

[jolly venture]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[frosty herald]

bolter

[plush estuary]

las pistol

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/black-stare-nah-wyd-eye-gif-23953713

[misty nova]

Vigilant 7

[frosty herald]

im convinced that a flat 90% of gloriana wipes happen in the intro

[jagged cradle]

I use it on vet on occasion

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/skykerwhiteyo-gif-27272734

[bronze juniper]

Best perks for heavy eviscerator mk XV?

[misty nova]

Anti large
Carapace Unyielding

[sullen forge]

I mean it’s literally the only difficult part of the map other than the mid event of shattering the ice with the infinite horde

[plush estuary]

flak + cara/unyielding

[bronze juniper]

Thanks

[carmine falcon]

game is borderline unplayable

thank you fatfish

[plush estuary]

ur mom

[carmine falcon]

joe mater

[opal star]

why did you hit the

https://tenor.com/view/falling-from-my-knees-liv-slasher-kneel-down-lie-down-gif-25659247

[copper hawk]

lmfao

fell 2 my knees in despair

thanks 4 toys ainz

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/k1Lh0Ie8JpFkX3BFN?invite=cr-MSxHMk8sMjA0MjU2ODk0

[clever swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1356377547948163294/uwpDR1J.gif

moment

[hearty nebula]

Shouldve just dodged

noobl..

[copper hawk]

yo mama

BLOCKED !

[hearty nebula]

[frosty herald]

playing with the specialist tracker

[median steeple]

Yobama

[frosty herald]

hoow noobiful of you

[copper hawk]

i loooove specialist tracker

i mog u yam

u r a lower life form

MONKEY

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[frosty herald]

IF IM A MONKEY THEN I CAN DO THIS

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[copper hawk]

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[hearty nebula]

hello again frohd bek

[carmine falcon]

this is how i lost auric examplar

[hearty nebula]

[median steeple]

The smith and Wesson got me acting like an invasion species

[copper hawk]

yo mama

[median steeple]

So mean to meee

This is tewwowism

[carmine falcon]

im starting to think faithful frenzy is not worth it

it makes attacks a bit snappier but not by that much

[median steeple]

Depends on the weapon honestly

[solar gorge]

attack speed is always good

[nimble fiber]

[carmine falcon]

i can justify it on a relic blade or thammer but not much else

[solar gorge]

swing faster, swing more, many dead

[jolly venture]

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[median steeple]

Just kill more things with less swings 4head

[jolly venture]

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[frosty herald]

stamina curios

[jolly venture]

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[misty nova]

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[plush estuary]

me when I lie onlione

[carmine falcon]

marty = wounds

[frosty herald]

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[median steeple]

The same as what you would run normally but with wounds

[misty nova]

Just summoned a Screamer of tzeentch on RT

[misty nova]

[median steeple]

A screamer?

Fuck

I don't have the image on hand

[solar gorge]

Tzeentch jumpscare

[sterile basalt]

Martyr is usually triple wounds

[jolly venture]

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[median steeple]

Just see what you have on your current curios and put those on some wound curios

[jolly venture]

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[carmine falcon]

PAUSE

[safe latch]

Guys, do you know what's the optimal moveset for the MK6 Comabt Blade? I've seen lots of people referencing "true combos" for it (which I can't find) but I'm having a hard time with it.

[safe latch]

Thank you!

[misty nova]

I spoke the truth though

[visual stream]

That happened to me at 0 veil degradation

Idira just fucking kills herself turn 1 of combat in my backline

[broken walrus]

Just unsanctioned pysker things

[frosty herald]

Idira is the worst character for combat

[misty nova]

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[frosty herald]

Explodes at quite possibly the worst times

[broken walrus]

Feel cute today, might blow up idk

[visual stream]

Idira just not a fun character

[median steeple]

Doesn't help that Hendrix and Cassia are just better psykers

[visual stream]

I mean she's cool

But her tweaker status does not benefit me in the slightest

[solar gorge]

i am the better psyker

[misty nova]

Me omw to drop Cassia on every necessary occasion

[median steeple]

I usually ran Hendrix

[visual stream]

Idira is a lot more charming when she's spewing Tzeentchian riddles from her visions at you than she is when you use her for anything at all other than

[median steeple]

For psykers

[visual stream]

(checks notes) perception checks

[carmine falcon]

went full marty for a game
now piety relic blade feels slow lmfao

i love this

[visual stream]

Which Cassia is better at

[mighty root]

knify gets owned in 2k @acoustic dune