zealot-class

[hard nexus]

rotund specimen

[sterile basalt]

opportunity cost is that non-weakspot hits drop stacks

but u start every fight with max dps potential

[hard nexus]

i meant what other subnode could you pick instead of the melee gives stacks

[sterile basalt]

therefore if ur good at headshots u get to keep that dps potential

instead of entering a fight, having to headshot 4 guys first to get max stacks, then u have full dps

that's just so wrong to veteran

[fleet zealot]

it's so perfectly round

[sterile basalt]

increase stack cap (and default stacks)
each stack gives additional rending
each stack gives additional toughness gain

[sterile basalt]

I would actually be ok if MF had super high rending (and uncanny strike is nerfed to 20% max)

[hard nexus]

what would the rending max be?

id actually like that

to make las guns a bit more usable, especially in havocs

[sterile basalt]

let's say each stack is 5% rending

[hard nexus]

so 50%?

[sterile basalt]

base 50%

15 stack cap would be 75%

but tbh

I want the 15 stack cap node changed to 20

if given the permanent uptime design

have all 4 upgrades to keystone be worth taking

missing headshots are punishing enough to it by design, so just have the subnodes raise reward

risk stays same, reward jumps up

[spare talon]

I feel like at most what it'll do is make it be just a massive revolver damage bonus

For free

Cuz you're not shooting it that often anyway

[sterile basalt]

sure, but revolver already hits every major breakpoint it needs without ever needing MF

MF revolver is meme build for crusher 1 tap

[spare talon]

Since that already kills it for any auto weapon

[sterile basalt]

I think it'll be fine for like vig auto

[spare talon]

Yeah but that's not auto

I mean like full auto

[sterile basalt]

I personally don't think a keystine called "Marksman's Focus" should scale that well with full auto spray & pray

I'm doing a veteran tree restructure design rn if yall wanna take a look at it later
(has a couple talent changes, but kept to a minimum)

only planning to delete 2 talents I think?
5% reload speed which nobody cares
inspiring presence which nobody should take anyway

[grizzled aspen]

I think I'd wind up deleting like 5 talents from zeal tree if I reworked it.

[sterile stone]

There's a reason the lot of you don't have a say in the balance of the game.

[fleet zealot]

What about a divergent node for non traditional marksman weapons since fatshark has really been pushing for flexibility

One that would benefit shotguns and brautos

[grizzled aspen]

You do realize the talents I'd delete are ones that serve no purpose, yes?

The ones that everyone agrees are terrible?

[sterile stone]

I said what I said.

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, ok, keep your backhanded comments to yourself next time.

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[fleet zealot]

Actually you only think that cause someone here told you, you should exercise your free will and use whatever /j

[grizzled aspen]

You look at me and tell me someone that likes hammer of the emperor or punishment.

[sterile stone]

Wait frog weren't you the same person that said immo grenades were bad

[broken walrus]

I enjoy getting hammered by the emperor

[fleet zealot]

Punishment was great and sleeper powerful pre nerf and it’s a fair twbs sidegrade now for piety users

[grizzled aspen]

No? I have only said that they were bad because of their pathing not having good toughness gen. They, themselves, are pretty alright.

[hard nexus]

i wish we could have rending affect only low ADM weapons like VAG, IAG, iLas

[grizzled aspen]

The main effect is still terrible.

[fleet zealot]

Hammer of the emperor, yea, it’s boring and doesn’t do anything

[grizzled aspen]

That being impact.

[fleet zealot]

The main effect is terrible cause the number was cut by 80%

[hard nexus]

it needs to be on hit, then it’ll be “ok”

[fleet zealot]

Agreed

[hard nexus]

but the stagger needs to be increased

[fleet zealot]

Maybe give it a little bit of number buff cause lmaoo

[hard nexus]

and hammer of faith needs to be replaced with something

[fleet zealot]

The gap between 30 and 150 impact is huge

[hard nexus]

cleave 3 enemies 5 times and get less stagger than grievous wounds

yum.

[fleet zealot]

Could afford to have it at 50 at least

[grizzled aspen]

So that just tells me the talents I would delete need to be scrapped, gotcha. Glad I'm right. :)

[fleet zealot]

U are objectively wrong about punishment

[grizzled aspen]

No, I'm not.

[fleet zealot]

Hammer of the emperor is fine

[grizzled aspen]

It's a nothing talent right now.

And hammer of the emperor is useless.

Nobody will ever go out of their way to use it.

[fleet zealot]

Yes u are, it’s still a sidegrade twbs for piety users to squeeze some points out of your build

[fleet zealot]

I meant fine as in fine to remove

[grizzled aspen]

Again, the main function of it is nothing.

[fleet zealot]

And the only reason you don’t like punishment is cause the impact value is over nerfed

[grizzled aspen]

You shouldn't take a talent for an auxiliary function.

[fleet zealot]

It’s overnerfed not a trash concept

[grizzled aspen]

I personally would axe it entirely in making a new tree.

Or at the very least move it to martyrdom's pathing, where it would make sense.

[fleet zealot]

Punishment is an interesting earn impact talent that matches with sustained assault and 10% attack speed

[grizzled aspen]

Stagger doesn't mesh well with a crit setup.

[hard nexus]

it’s another one of those talents that is ignored because zealot is good, with The Build™️

i need to make that a sticker

[fleet zealot]

You are trying to have your cake and eat it to cause you take an easy W with hammer of the emperor then use it to cope that you don’t take the L with punishment

[grizzled aspen]

Nah I'm looking at it pretty objectively.

It's an impact talent, mainly.

[fleet zealot]

Pre nerf it was secretly overpowered

[hard nexus]

yah i remember

[grizzled aspen]

Impact serves no purpose in a crit setup, which is what the left side is flavored as, and inherently doesnt matter in the magnitude that punishment offers it as.

[fleet zealot]

Impact talents are fine as long as they are interesting and not just flat boring buffs

[fleet zealot]

Many cleaving weapons go piety

Many people go piety just for IoD

[grizzled aspen]

Because the crit cdr is overtuned.

Yeah.

That's not because piety would be best for them or because punishment is secretly godlike, that's solely because iod is overtuned.

[fleet zealot]

No this about flavor lol

Dont pivot back oit

[grizzled aspen]

I would honestly run martyr with rb consistently if I didn't have to burn four points on crit cdr.

[fleet zealot]

God damn you are obnoxious to talk to when im on sleeping meds

[grizzled aspen]

Then get your thoughts in order before you reply back to me, smh.

[fleet zealot]

If anything sustained assault should be above piety in that case

[sterile basalt]

isn't that my guide

[grizzled aspen]

I'm talking about the zeal talent.

[fleet zealot]

Since it’s the only keystone that doesn’t give damage

[sterile basalt]

yea but it's not called that

[grizzled aspen]

When you run out of ammo in your gun you get a nothing buff for like 5s.

[sterile basalt]

hammer of faith

[grizzled aspen]

Oh, ok, my b.

Still a terrible talent.

[fleet zealot]

No one gives a shit about hammer talent at this point it’s bad and will likely be the first thing out

[grizzled aspen]

That doesn't contradict anything that I've said and I personally have no problem with that.

[fleet zealot]

But if you equate punishment to fuckin hammer just cause it was overnerfed lol it’s just a wrong take

[mighty root]

Was gonna ask path something it I forgor

[fleet zealot]

Punishment is inherently interesting

[mighty root]

[grizzled aspen]

I'm not "equating" anything, I'm just stating that punishment is a bad talent.

Oh boy, I get diet twbs after I sit in melee for a few seconds!

Cool beans, the main effect is still terrible.

[fleet zealot]

It’s bad because of it’s numbers not because of it’s words

[sterile basalt]

it's ok

[fleet zealot]

Saves 1-2 points per tree

[grizzled aspen]

Points that youd spend on... what, exactly?

[fleet zealot]

For replacing twbs alone, since gunner hit stun was removed

[grizzled aspen]

(theres nothing to spend them on)

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1352821030879629395/b1e2ea2810ab9d298347aabef9695639479ac25cb35e3c149db57e562e9dcf01_1.mp4?ex=67df6843&is=67de16c3&hm=643d5097df15d396b5a9146c318d8730455305c3b4a49fc7ee2c0f99e6857b8b& @sullen forge @frosty herald

[grizzled aspen]

Actually you might be giving up purge and anoint by taking it?

But you save another point on taking stalwart piety so you could take twbs and good balance.

Four points to play with, you can take stalwart, twbs, and good balance, OR you can take right side piety and anoint + purge.

[fleet zealot]

No one but u wants punishment removed (exaggerating idc) majority of people just want the number buffed and maybe a bit easier activation and idk why you die on hills like this

[grizzled aspen]

Your "point saving" doesn't really matter because there's nothing major that's good that you can afford with just 3 points, assuming you take stalwart.

[fleet zealot]

Argus is 100% right

[grizzled aspen]

Outside of anoint and purge, I mean.

[fleet zealot]

There is a difference between bad talents and weak talents. Hammer is bad, punishment is weak.

[grizzled aspen]

Weak = bad.

[fleet zealot]

Wrong

[grizzled aspen]

There's no weak talent in this game that isn't also bad.

[fleet zealot]

That’s like saying a sick person deserves it

[grizzled aspen]

What fucking words are you trying to put in my mouth?

Go to sleep and debate later when you're coherent lmao.

[fleet zealot]

Idk that was clearly a joke

[fleet zealot]

Objectively wrong

And i got one example right off the top

EWEW

[grizzled aspen]

It's bad because it's weak, glad we figured it out.

[fleet zealot]

Ewew is weak, it is not a bad design

Lol

So glad

You aren’t in charge

[grizzled aspen]

So if a talent is weak, it's bad, congratulations on connecting the dots.

Especially by the margins of how weak ewew is.

[fleet zealot]

Weak talents get buffed, bad talents should get removed

Quit with the self congratulatory egoist behavior

It’s cringe

Ur only convincing yourself

[proven topaz]

most normal zealot class discussion

[fleet zealot]

Bad design vs weak talents is clearly separate

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/marder-ferret-cute-spin-wiesel-gif-18385357

[grizzled aspen]

And punishment is bad design. :)

[hard nexus]

goals

[grizzled aspen]

Stagger breakpoints that you still don't hit with it and diet twbs.

[fleet zealot]

U literally said you think the primary stat isn’t enough

[grizzled aspen]

Super huge talent.

[hard nexus]

i like how it kind of just slinks into the spinny bit

[fleet zealot]

So which way

[grizzled aspen]

I stated you shouldn't take a talent for an auxiliary talent, and that the main part of it was too little to bother taking.

[hard nexus]

wdym diet TWBS

[grizzled aspen]

So the only reason you take punishment is diet twbs.

[fleet zealot]

Simple solution, buff punishment to be somewhere between 31% and 149%?

Or scrap it

[hard nexus]

wrong

between 200 and 500%

[grizzled aspen]

Well, that'd require me to know exactly what the stagger thresholds are for each weapon against each enemy and knowing what % would move the majority to being able to stagger most things.

And frankly, I don't care enough about stagger to care.

I say scrap it.

[hard nexus]

punishment should be 80%

[fleet zealot]

It was an amazing sleeper talent at 150% value for heavy swords, combat axes and chain axes, and those are just the ones i used

[hard nexus]

and on hit

with a higher stack time

then it’s fine

[fleet zealot]

No scrap it, if a talent gets too weak take it behind the barn like old yeller

[hard nexus]

idk what’s going on

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/nino-brown-meme-gif-12573636828218859098

[grizzled aspen]

Bandit is mad that I'm shitting on punishment for being a nothing talent.

[hard nexus]

all i know is that im right and frog is wrong

[fleet zealot]

Me going to shoot twbs since it’s weak now

[hard nexus]

if nobody got me i know ainz got me

[grizzled aspen]

In its current state its used as diet twbs because the impact it grants is too little to bother with thinking about.

Weak talent.

[hard nexus]

yeah it’s weak now but it shouldn’t be scrapped, in concept it’s a fine talent, just needs buff

[proven topaz]

uninterruptible is not nothing

[grizzled aspen]

And I justified getting rid of it because you don't actually save any points if you're doing standard pathing.

[proven topaz]

nor weak

[grizzled aspen]

Brother, twbs is affordable with the standard build.

And as I said before, you should not take a talent for an auxiliary function.

[hard nexus]

TWBS doesn’t let you revive through toughness breaks

[grizzled aspen]

It's diet twbs at this point.

[grizzled aspen]

That's interesting, never knew that, ig +1 to punishment

[proven topaz]

if you find out another way to get to blazing piety you let me know

[fleet zealot]

It’s perfectly fine for a fantasy of getting stuck into melee. And once the other blitz branches get buffed, people will be pathing farther from twbs

[hard nexus]

uninterruptible is better than TWBS

[grizzled aspen]

That, therein, lies the problem. It's a bad talent that you're forced to take if you want piety.

[hard nexus]

which is why it needs to be buffed

[fleet zealot]

Since you know i can think ahead past the immediate next patch

[hard nexus]

not scrapped

make it useful, not a point tax

[grizzled aspen]

See, somebody gets it.

[fleet zealot]

Punishment buffed like meow said+ nerfs to THE BUILD

[hard nexus]

the only point taxes should be travel nodes

[grizzled aspen]

The Build just needs to be ripped apart entirely.

Whole tree needs a restructure lol.

[hard nexus]

the build™️ doesn’t really need to get nerfed, every other path needs to get buffed

[fleet zealot]

That’s literally what i was saying the entire time you amphibian

[grizzled aspen]

Lots of nodes need to be moved around while we are in the process of restructuring.

[hard nexus]

he’s realized we’re right so he’s changing his point without explicitly saying it

[grizzled aspen]

I liked Vold's idea of locking UD behind martyrdom.

[fleet zealot]

😔

Ngl vold isn’t in enough

[grizzled aspen]

No, I'm sticking with bad talents need to be axed.

[hard nexus]

there are a couple of small nerfs, but with psyker and ogryn now, zealot power level is entirely fine

[fleet zealot]

To do a proper tree

[grizzled aspen]

Still, UD presents a large problem with balancing the tree.

[proven topaz]

people still use until death?

[grizzled aspen]

Locking it behind martyrdom would be both solving that problem and making it synergistic.

[tranquil owl]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-popcorn-funny-funny-popcorn-watching-tv-gif-15406698795416939620

[grizzled aspen]

Could go a step further and bake holy rev into it and increase the cooldown.

[proven topaz]

i just wanna go out and say

if you go for until death instead of duelist

we cant be friends

[fleet zealot]

I just can’t take the layout and additions seriously

[hard nexus]

you can take both

[grizzled aspen]

Valid and based.

[hard nexus]

you should take both

unless ur doing a weird build

[grizzled aspen]

Oh yeah some of his ideas are straight poop, like the sharing martyrdom effects one.

[proven topaz]

imagine taking dmg

[hard nexus]

who is that

[fleet zealot]

It’s like if i decided to make an entire veteran tree rework and change executioner stance to ranger veteran ability, change voice of command to a cone, and infiltrate is now a dash through enemies

[sterile stone]

I will never understand why people hoard ammo and med crates at the end event

Like we can take them with us when the mission ends...

[grizzled aspen]

I had to explain to him that his magnitude was so low it was literally .016% damage buff or whatever.

[fleet zealot]

Some discorder who is making a hypothetical zealot rework

[hard nexus]

ah

[grizzled aspen]

He does this for a lot of stuff that's boring.

He did it with oggy before oggy rework was announced.

Martyrdom, to him, is boring.

[hard nexus]

i don’t think i’ve seen this guy before

[proven topaz]

when does his version of darktide come out?

[fleet zealot]

Vold meow same person

[grizzled aspen]

All I'd do is change the melee damage to strength, make it have a slight gun boost, and lock until death behind it to rework martyrdom.

[fleet zealot]

I really think martyrdom is only held back by cdr

[grizzled aspen]

I want guns to be usable by all 3 keystones. :(

[fleet zealot]

If it had easy access to viable cdr without going for iod or backstab

[hard nexus]

i know

i don’t think i’ve interacted with them

or seen their proposed zealot rework

[grizzled aspen]

Martyrs purpose rework...

Please fatshark, zealouts are starving...

[tranquil owl]

Not enough heretic blood

[grizzled aspen]

Hes the one I keep having to explain why stealth is bad for the game for.

[sullen forge]

you will love your Point tax

you will be happy

with your point tax

[grizzled aspen]

NOOOOOOOOO

[fleet zealot]

Really cause they wanted to make shroudfield a slayer leap

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, and then we all told him that was an awful idea.

[fleet zealot]

I hate stealth and stealth users but it’s an arch-type that has to exist by the unspoken laws

[sullen forge]

Just make stealth actually interesting

[grizzled aspen]

I will stick with my idea that shroudfield needs to be axed entirely and replaced with a duration style ability like exe stance/scriers/pbb.

[tranquil owl]

I saw that

[sullen forge]

instead of just dumping agro on your team

[hard nexus]

make us play a DBD generator skill check to go into stealth and maintain it

[fleet zealot]

Zealot stealth needs to have some more utility baseline

[hard nexus]

i think that would be a good change

[fleet zealot]

Won’t ever happen

[sullen forge]

0-100 real quick there

I was about to say for both veteran and zealot

[sterile stone]

It's nice to have as an "Oh shit" button on vet or to clutch up a save.

[grizzled aspen]

I know, stealthoids will whine and weep and review bomb because they can't grief lobbies or speedrun anymore.

[fleet zealot]

Imo shroudfield at least needs the same suppression/stun that infiltration does

[sullen forge]

make it to where the enemies scout the last area they were

instead of focusing nearby teammates

and then after a bit go after the team

[sterile stone]

This doesn't work in a horde shooter gang

[hard nexus]

make stealth a suicide button

[sterile stone]

In a open world rpg sure

[fleet zealot]

That way aggro dumping isn’t sudden and enemies don’t instantly all turn around to aggro you when you pop oit

[sterile stone]

You're in a closed, cramped enviorment.

[bitter anvil]

do helldiver 2 has those type griefer speedrunner?

[sterile stone]

If they aren't looking at you

[sullen forge]

Gang I dont want shit to be

[sterile stone]

they're gonna look at the next target

[sullen forge]

they press a button

I get swarmed by 30 crushers

[grizzled aspen]

Five. Hundred. Ragers.

[sullen forge]

cause they need baby mode to play the game

[fleet zealot]

Like not going to fuckin lie but everytime i play shroudfield the whole room decides to turn and look at me meanwhile i do the same on infiltration vet and i got 10 seconds of free time

[tranquil owl]

Comments i wish were pinned cause true

[sterile stone]

The only way is to remove stealth then.

Cause by all means

[fleet zealot]

It’s not

[bitter anvil]

sedition griefer

[fleet zealot]

Just keep balancing stealth

[sterile stone]

How do you balance stealth...

Like how

How do you balance AI not targeting you

[grizzled aspen]

There's no way to balance a functionally game breaking mechanic...

[bitter anvil]

payday 2 stealth

[sterile stone]

Payday 2 isn't a horde shooter

[grizzled aspen]

Like none, at all.

[fleet zealot]

Maybe replace stealth with remove aggro gaining for the duration

So you can’t dump

[sullen forge]

They'd have to make it longer

if they do that

[sterile stone]

Remove aggro...

[sullen forge]

or- here me out

[sterile stone]

You mean what stealth already does?

[fleet zealot]

Idc just add one second

[sullen forge]

actually use it to push into a room

and kill high priority enemies

[fleet zealot]

No reread

Aggro gain

You keep what aggro you had

[sterile stone]

That'd be useless as shit then

[grizzled aspen]

Or, hear me out, remove it from the game...

[sterile stone]

Why would any sensible person choose, "Oh more enemies don't target me" vs "I can give my entire team a extra bar of toughness

[proven topaz]

stealth is barely in the top 3 of the most busted shit

[sterile stone]

How would that even work if you're the last alive

[grizzled aspen]

I proposed an idea for a finesse focused duration ability that kept gaining duration on headshot kills, both with melee and ranged, but lost duration when you took hp damage.

[proven topaz]

i think its moreso how people use it

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/state-of-decay-gif-11874863

[sterile stone]

How would that even work if you're nowhere near your team

[fleet zealot]

Y’all babies wouldn’t last a day in the stealth i’ve dealt with https://youtu.be/5cFj6T9lOtM?si=t7n2N6jDnmndNtOm

[grizzled aspen]

No, it's definitely the most broken thing, even higher than ds4 oneshots on bosses.

You literally break game mechanics with it.

[fleet zealot]

Tbf as soon as the top most busted shit is nerf stealth (especially vet stealth) is ready to claim the meta spot

[sterile stone]

@stone fern

[grizzled aspen]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD I HEARD IT INSTANTLY

AND THE FOLLOWUP DAGGER STAB, TOO

INSTANT DEATH IN PVP

[sullen forge]

Paladin nuke

[proven topaz]

its pretty good for dps, but get this

yellow toughness

[sullen forge]

should be removed from the game

[grizzled aspen]

Gold toughness is its own ball of wax.

[sullen forge]

hope this helps!

[fleet zealot]

18 seconds of practically being invisible? With 2 charges and great cdr everyone takes! Infiltration stocks are going to go to the moon

[sterile stone]

I want all of you to consider the game from a casual player's pov and not your pov.

I've said this before.

[sullen forge]

Dont care

[proven topaz]

boy am i glad people havent caught on that infiltrate is even better than shroudfield

[sterile stone]

Even with these mechanics.

[grizzled aspen]

Gold toughness isn't removing game mechanics outside of getting oneshot by one specific thing every so often.

[sullen forge]

remove it

🚬

[sterile stone]

The average player still dies on lower difficulties.

[opaque island]

hold up, fr?

[grizzled aspen]

Then they need to buckle their seat belt and stop playing like shit.

[sterile stone]

@delicate shadow

Remember we had this talk

[grizzled aspen]

Not everybody should be able to clear everything.

[sterile stone]

The average player is hardstuck malice/heresy

[fleet zealot]

Wrong

Havoc is gatekeeping cosmetics

[opaque island]

im not like a pro or anything, i palyed heresy for the most part...but most people i played with never really went down

[grizzled aspen]

Because shooters are aids.

And it should be kept that way.

[fleet zealot]

I’m joking

[opaque island]

with a good team damnation is easy though

[grizzled aspen]

(NOT the shooter aids part, that needs to go)

[fleet zealot]

You think so little of me frog

[bitter anvil]

i can hear my friend clicking keyboard when he got pound by pox hounds with his habit a and d button in space marine 2

[fleet zealot]

When you are nothing but a toadie

[grizzled aspen]

I think little of everyone. Can't help it.

[fleet zealot]

And i’m a business weasel

[grizzled aspen]

I just think little.

Tiny brain.

:3

[sullen forge]

Cause you're a chud

[opaque island]

frog got that superiority complex

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-black-footed-ferret-black-footed-goofy-silly-gif-7414558264260005310

[sterile stone]

Which is wild

[grizzled aspen]

Tbf, when you see your 4 thousandth scoreboard of 900k+ damage when your teammates have a combined total of 250k and 7 deaths, wouldn't you?

[opaque island]

no, because there is always a bigger fish

[sterile stone]

You know what's ironic

You can post this right

And in the same breath want the game to be harder

[bitter anvil]

this room is energy of tanner something; do damage don't die motto

[fleet zealot]

And i’ll do it again

[opaque island]

maybe im just a humble guy

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, those people should not be queueing into my lobbies.

[fleet zealot]

Don’t damage, die

[proven topaz]

never b game over

[sterile stone]

How to kill a playerbase101

[sullen forge]

Stay out of my aurics...

[grizzled aspen]

If you can't even breathe correctly against chaff you should not be in aurics. I'm not sorry.

[opaque island]

aurics.... true

[fleet zealot]

Stay out of havoc buddy im putting you on the blacklist mod

[hard nexus]

it’s fine, i’ll still outdamage you

[bitter anvil]

aurics is baby, maelstrom aurics is real for men.

[grizzled aspen]

True! The only people that outdamage me are very good players.

[sullen forge]

Auric Damn run I had earlier and I mean like im only seeing this more as a "Oh im just the anchor of the team"

LMAO

[sterile stone]

I use to thin not having a scoreboard was dumb

[grizzled aspen]

Meow, Cole, Lumii, so on and so forth.

[sterile stone]

But seeeing how brain rotted people are

I'm fully understanding why it isnt' base game...

[proven topaz]

1.4k damage taken

how even

[median steeple]

wooooool

[sullen forge]

Dont know

[fleet zealot]

Me if i was trapped in purgatory away from DT

[sullen forge]

he was using Mk1 DC

[grizzled aspen]

Go ahead and post the board where I found you by accident on vigil station.

[proven topaz]

its not even an ogryn

what the hell

[sterile stone]

People autistically chasing numbers vs some day wager who's probably half drunk and dreading his life.

[sullen forge]

He's gloating about out damaging me when I was using a Non meta loadout LMAO

[median steeple]

my imaginary number is better than yours

[fleet zealot]

I suffered ego death from league of legends addiction and follow up bloons td6 rehab

[grizzled aspen]

I'm just a silly little guy with a silly little sword.

[opaque island]

i feel attacked

[sullen forge]

Relic Blade btw

[grizzled aspen]

(I literally killed 90% of things before Gale could look at them.)

[fleet zealot]

So i’ll top the score boards but i’m not really trying for that i’m just playing to kill shit before it kills me or my meatbag teammates

[grizzled aspen]

(Except specialists)

(I let Gale kill those)

[sterile stone]

No hard feelings bambino

[fleet zealot]

Nothign fucking makes me more bored than having someone really good doing the same role as me, and this is mainly vet

[opaque island]

i play better after a drink anyway

[fleet zealot]

Wtf you sniping things before i do

[sterile stone]

It's just annoying to see some terminally online gamer huff their own farts going "Hurr hurr I played this pve game so good, I'm so much better than you"

Like bruh

[hard nexus]

i did it with evis so i’m better

[grizzled aspen]

Lasfire is faster than knives.

[sterile stone]

They won't remember who you are 10 mins from now

[median steeple]

dust in da wind

[proven topaz]

how do i do the mk3 knife stab punch combo?

i cant figure it out

[fleet zealot]

Yea but even then if im zealot i can ignore it and focus on melee

[median steeple]

why waste life arguing on the internet

[sullen forge]

At least thats more respectable but Zealot literally just generates Damage numbers

[hard nexus]

punch, light

[fleet zealot]

Special action left click

[grizzled aspen]

It's just as annoying getting queued with 3 mouthbreathers that can't walk and think at the same time.

[fleet zealot]

If im vet

[grizzled aspen]

I dont even gloat or post my boards anymore, they just make me sad to look at.

[sullen forge]

its why I only really look at damage taken cause thats usually a tell tale sign if someone knows how to keep themselves alive

[fleet zealot]

And there is another good vet

I have to sweat

[bitter anvil]

"life is short, so spend a lot time arguing strangers on internet"

[sullen forge]

other than that im mainly using it to record my Builds

[opaque island]

I dont think im havoc 40 material, but if i really tried i bet i could do pretty decent at auric maels

[sullen forge]

etc

[tranquil owl]

Starting to realize im definitely doing better than some of the ppl y'all get in lobbies lol

[grizzled aspen]

Havoc isn't a metric to measure yourself by lmao.

[sullen forge]

It is

[tranquil owl]

Some of these stories are borderline horror

[sullen forge]

idk what you're saying but it is

[grizzled aspen]

Even really good teams get squished every now and then.

[median steeple]

yeah you should be measuring off of ME the goat

[sullen forge]

if you can avoid instant death shooters thats a feat in itself

[fleet zealot]

Actually yes it is, if you haven’t cleared 1 h40 a week minimum you are bad /j

[grizzled aspen]

Maybe after havoc changes it could be, but as it stands, it's not.

[tranquil owl]

Only takes a small mistake at the right time

[sullen forge]

EXACTLY

ME

IM THE BASELINE OF THIS GAME

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-i-do-this-shit-for-the-love-of-the-game-i-do-this-for-the-love-of-the-game-i-do-it-for-the-love-of-the-game-the-ghoul-gif-701466214966863437

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[fleet zealot]

Me barreling the macro psyker

[grizzled aspen]

Frankly though, h40 really boils down to 2 things.
"Can you fall back and hold this position?"
"Can you follow simple instructions?"

[tranquil owl]

And unfortunately

A lot of people end up not falling into either

[fleet zealot]

I’m a wow player with a short attention span, so no

[grizzled aspen]

People usually fail both, horrendously so.

[tranquil owl]

[fleet zealot]

But i win these

[grizzled aspen]

Actually if you're a wow player, ability rotation should be baked into your brain.

And thats what most of said instructions are.

[opaque island]

is it really so hard to stay near enough to your team to fall back if needeD?

[fleet zealot]

Depends

[grizzled aspen]

Apparently, yes.

[fleet zealot]

The only modern raids i tanked were wod through legion up to heroic

[grizzled aspen]

At least you weren't healing lol.

[fleet zealot]

Then I tanked rogue in season of discovery

[sullen forge]

Anyways all seriousness

[opaque island]

whats wrong with healing?

[sullen forge]

the only thing you should worry about is damage taken in regards to scoreboard

[grizzled aspen]

Healing is the hardest job in wow.

[fleet zealot]

I liked resto druid in lfrs

[sullen forge]

cause thats the only thing that genuinely effects your team

[fleet zealot]

I slways had a druid alt i woild level and gear just enough to lfr

And just spam hots

[grizzled aspen]

DPS be like "where are my heals" mf you stood in the oneshot circle the boss dropped on the ground 10s ago go fuck yourself.

[fleet zealot]

Like when they added the self replicating hot

[proven topaz]

plasteel and diamantine collected also

[tranquil owl]

Wow is the one mmo i never healed on

Screw that

[grizzled aspen]

Until your damage taken is sub 100 every match, then you start mogging people with damage.

[fleet zealot]

Oh yea i played paladin healer in classic through wotlk classic

That was aight

[grizzled aspen]

Paladin can't keep up in modern raids for heals.

[tranquil owl]

Brainrotting wow randoms not being able to understand the only 2 mechanics in the dungeon

[sullen forge]

Dead serious

[fleet zealot]

Modern meta is stupid and i dont give a fuck plus it only matters for mythic prog

[sullen forge]

I dont give a fuck if im under 200k damage if my build is making it so much easier

[tranquil owl]

Meanwhile healers are standing there asking themselves why they still play

[sullen forge]

for everyone else to do their jobs

[grizzled aspen]

The only thing I've ever done in wow was raids because I played on my moms account to help my brother out lol.

[fleet zealot]

Which i’m never doing

Tank rogue in season of discovery was fun tho but

[grizzled aspen]

"Hey bro can you click four buttons in this order for 10 minutes? I'll get you a candy bar on my way home from work if you do."

Fuck it, I'm sold.

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-v-grand-theft-auto-online-gta-gta-v-gif-8158299816275856470

sum up playing randos

[fleet zealot]

There were certain fights you were terrible at and certain fights you could solo tank

[grizzled aspen]

Anyway all I know is for the raids I was doing, paladin could not keep up with the healing needed.

[fleet zealot]

Because you were all dodge and parry

[fleet zealot]

The meta changes constantly and paladins are always brought in some role for their utility, usually healer

[grizzled aspen]

And I only healed like 7 times.

Otherwise I played mage and spammed ice magic at shit.

It was pretty fun but I dont think I could no life it like my brother and mom did.

Maxed out one of every character and race for their accounts and they keep coming back every season to grind rep and whatnot.

It's like looking in a mirror from when I played d2 so much.

[opaque island]

FFXIV is better than WoW anyway

:^)

[fleet zealot]

I can’t stand the uhh

GCD

Of ff14

[sterile stone]

I will hold my comment.

[opaque island]

I said it to specifically get comments

[fleet zealot]

Also ARR is a fucking slog to even get started and the ball rolling

[opaque island]

big true

[hearty nebula]

ffxiv is only better on the aspect of they haven't had braindead writers for the last decade

[fleet zealot]

(I havent finished it i have like a level 20 pugilist)

[median steeple]

warframe got me by the balls again

help

[hearty nebula]

nope

you will grind out your coda weapons and LIKE IT

[opaque island]

the only help i can provide is at the end of a barrel

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-1999-mag-aoi-aoi-morohoshi-gif-16528492160413993393

[hearty nebula]

oof

that's certainly a starting class to pick

[fleet zealot]

Tbf warcraft always had braindead writing it’s just different people making it

[fleet zealot]

Dont oof me

[hearty nebula]

Yeah it's a different kind of braindead now

The boring kind

WoW before was just like

[opaque island]

warcraft 3 was the last time i ever cared about warcraft lore

[hearty nebula]

stupid braindead

[opaque island]

that includes froze nthron

[median steeple]

also doesn't help that I want to get back into 76 and play it on PC instead of console

[hearty nebula]

to the point it loops back to being acceptable

now it's just braindead braindead

[fleet zealot]

I made a big strong woman who can beat me up irl

[hearty nebula]

I mean like

I'm not judging you for it

[opaque island]

https://tenor.com/view/sob-arnold-gif-12406885

[fleet zealot]

Yes u literally did

[hearty nebula]

No

"oof" as in ouch

because pugilist is not a great class to start the game with

actually monk sucks ass too

[fleet zealot]

If you say one thing about meta

[hearty nebula]

idgaf about meta

[fleet zealot]

Cause of the directional attacks?

[hearty nebula]

i've been maining red mage for the last like

4-6 years

[hearty nebula]

No

They have zero ranged options at their disposal

NONE

[fleet zealot]

Do you need any?

[hearty nebula]

It'd certainly be nice for when, yknow, you're not able to attack a boss or smth cause they're doing a big fuckoff attack

and you have to back off

[opaque island]

punching gods to deaht is so fucking COOL though

[hearty nebula]

At least they literally get the goku dash

[fleet zealot]

Ive played mmos enough

(Just wow a lot)

[hearty nebula]

and directional attacks are whatever

they've made them super simple over the years

even a toddler could figure them out

[fleet zealot]

I can edge the boss zones

[opaque island]

Tera had alot of problems, but man its action combat was peak

[tranquil owl]

Pug is one of my favorite classes when i started out, dancing around enemies because your skills benefit from your positioning was a lot of fun

[fleet zealot]

I know the swirlies and the cleaves

[hearty nebula]

I didn't play Tera

[fleet zealot]

And the tail swipes

[hearty nebula]

I played it's significantly worse cousin

Blade And Soul

[fleet zealot]

Tera never got into

Rift i never got into

[opaque island]

was also okay

too much....whats the word

[fleet zealot]

Gw2 never got into but the hyena people are cool i guess

[opaque island]

gambling

[hearty nebula]

I dropped Blade & Soul when I learned of PSO2's existence

[fleet zealot]

Swtor

[tranquil owl]

Tera>BnS? Eeeeeehhhh

[fleet zealot]

Swtor was the best single player mmo

[hearty nebula]

I played that for like 3 years straight once I learned of it

[opaque island]

PSO2 also has decent combat

[hearty nebula]

back on the JP servers

[fleet zealot]

I have ever played

[hearty nebula]

I played BR/HU

with the katana

[opaque island]

THE GAMEPLAY IS SO ASS THOUGH

[hearty nebula]

That shit was like smoking crack

[fleet zealot]

Biggest backhanded compliment reward to swtor

[fleet zealot]

Yea and i played wow since vanilla

[opaque island]

same problem i have with wow and FFXIV tbf

[fleet zealot]

Ass is ass

[opaque island]

i want action gameplay

[hearty nebula]

Honestly now

[opaque island]

not tab targetting

[hearty nebula]

I just get on FFXIV to gpose

I don't even sub anymore

just use a trial account

[tranquil owl]

Aion

[fleet zealot]

Lets see

Toontown i was into as a kid

[tranquil owl]

Lemme throw a real throwback in there

[fleet zealot]

And fusion fall

And free realms

Those were my kid mmos

[opaque island]

Kung Fu Master all the way, if a game lets me use my fists to kill things i will choose it everytime

[tranquil owl]

Toontown has 2 private server modded versions that ik of

[hearty nebula]

You are the worst person I met on toontown

[tranquil owl]

Can still play it

[fleet zealot]

How

[hearty nebula]

you are deaf to the sins of this world

[fleet zealot]

No

[tranquil owl]

Aion is supposed getting a new mmo after all these years and the horrific downfall of the original

[tranquil owl]

.

[fleet zealot]

Toontown doesn’t interest me as an adult

That would be like me going back to play wizard101

[opaque island]

yall are forgetting the real MMO K....wizard101....

[tranquil owl]

Yeah that wasn't the point, was just saying the game is still around thanks to the community

[opaque island]

dam nbeat me to it

[hearty nebula]

ancient shitpost

[sterile stone]

Nah fam

Adventure Quest World

[opaque island]

Ultima Online

[fleet zealot]

Honestly lowkey sad no one got fusionfall or free realms comment but i guess that’s fair

[opaque island]

peak school library days

[tranquil owl]

Fusionfall?!

[opaque island]

part of me misses it, but i dont wanna break the nostalgia magic by going back to it and realizing it was ass

[sterile stone]

Going to school and going straight to the computers to play poptropica

[tranquil owl]

Holy God Emperor my brain hurts just trying to make the memories of fusionfall vivid enough

[fleet zealot]

I really need to get on ff14 but i’m just too lazy and now im in a place with choppy internet

[opaque island]

Fusionfall was after my MMO craze

[tranquil owl]

Fusionfall also has private servers

[fleet zealot]

I’m still mad free realms i wanted the best ninja armor set in the game (that could drop) and i never got the gloves

[fleet zealot]

Might look into it

[tranquil owl]

A lot of these old mmos are still around thanks to communities

Mabinogi

[sterile stone]

I dunno if anyone here tried it

But Dofus was fun

[tranquil owl]

Yesssss

[sterile stone]

Outside the monthly subscription

[tranquil owl]

Dofus got a reboot

[fleet zealot]

I played on a ‘99 office bulk computer and fusionfall would crash whenever i loaded into an instance

[tranquil owl]

Seen it on mobile

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-gif-21110512

[fleet zealot]

I fucking hate nexon

[tranquil owl]

Yeah, lemme find it

[tranquil owl]

Me too but the community servers are goated

[fleet zealot]

You reminded of the not really an mmo vindictus

[opaque island]

you wanna talk about peak in school flash games....plazma burst 2

[bitter anvil]

Black desert online

I don’t like how complex it is

[opaque island]

Everything Nexon touchs is garbage

BDO has great combat, but everything else in it is poison to me

[fleet zealot]

God what i would give for a classic difficulty level vindictus instead of them just ruining act 1

[bitter anvil]

It’s has trading, business or be adventurer with gear stuff

[opaque island]

miss me with pure sandbox

[tranquil owl]

Look at those ratings tho lol

[fleet zealot]

BDO is aggressively key rattling but there is too much going on

[tranquil owl]

Tho it could just be that ppl aren't used to the way dofus plays

[sullen forge]

Wdym you dont like your monthly subscription that if you dont maximize playing as much as possible you feel like you got fucking scammed

LMAO

[fleet zealot]

The ost

Banger

[tranquil owl]

Happy Wheels, gotta say it

[sterile stone]

The most egregious part of Dofus is if you didn't pay the monthly sub

[tranquil owl]

Its gonna be said eventually

[sterile stone]

95% of the game was locked off

[tranquil owl]

Huh just like wizards 101

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/dofus-julith-wakfu-waven-ankama-gif-6159044764428578791

[opaque island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlcLEaQPBCM hearing this just triggered my neurons

[fleet zealot]

There was

[proven topaz]

it has french elves tho right

[fleet zealot]

A game i played as a kid

[bitter anvil]

That number is tingling with destiny 2.

[proven topaz]

ups and downs

[opaque island]

also if you havent seen this...you should its pretty good even as an adult i really liked it

though the name escapes me rn

[sterile stone]

The most abysmal shit was ff14 on playstation

[fleet zealot]

That was a browser mmo room based experience

Where people could make custom rooms

[sterile stone]

Not only did you have to pay the monthly psn sub, but you had to pay the monthly ff14 sub

[opaque island]

dont fucking remind me

[sullen forge]

two whole fucking subs

[tranquil owl]

Yeah, thats kinda what stopped me from playing

[bitter anvil]

That’s double charging

[sullen forge]

bro you are getting scammed out of every penny

[median steeple]

good sandwhich

[sullen forge]

holy shit

[bitter anvil]

British tax tea

[sullen forge]

Game subs (that Xbox normalized) are the sole reason I fully moved to PC

outside of modding

but still

[sterile stone]

That's why outside of cheaters, pc gaming is much more preferable.

[tranquil owl]

Dcuo does the same shit, but at least with them you can just buy the episodes and whatnot outright

However the new team for dcuo has no idea how to make new powers lmfao

[sullen forge]

Literally the biggest scam thats normalized is being able to play online on your console

and it hurts

[median steeple]

honestly suprised argus ever played mmos

[tranquil owl]

So game is on a death march

[bitter anvil]

I played old mmorpg called Rift

[opaque island]

DCUO is like a decent frozen pizza, its not the best mmo you're gonna play, but its not gonna suck either

[tranquil owl]

Rift was cool

[sullen forge]

Forgot to ask any opinions here on what they teased about Mortis Trials

[opaque island]

though i havent played it in FOREVER

[bitter anvil]

Is been dead since gamingo claim it

[sullen forge]

cause you might be seeing me play that even after it dies

[tranquil owl]

Yeah, unfortunately now its more like a soggy frozen pizza

[proven topaz]

i just hope psykhanium overhaul is included in the update

i doubt it tho

[opaque island]

what kept me in DCUO was the being a superhero

[tranquil owl]

Like i said, new team doesn't understand how the power creation works for the game, which inevitably puts dcuo into a death march

[opaque island]

what would the overhaul about the psykhanium?

[proven topaz]

lemme kill bosses

lemme aggro the dudes

[opaque island]

i have a take, i dont know if its hot or not

[proven topaz]

anything

[opaque island]

MMOs in general are on the death march

[tranquil owl]

Cause one of largest selling points of dcuo, imo, was the fact they were always working on new powers

[opaque island]

some are hanging on better than others

but, they just dont hit like they used to

[delicate shadow]

yea

[tranquil owl]

Proper mmos are yeah, most of what we get now is pvp focused slop with mid action combat, generic lore, generic gear, generic everything

Blessed Unleashed lol

[sterile stone]

Doesn't Warhammer have a mmo

[median steeple]

HAD

[tranquil owl]

Used to

[median steeple]

oops

[sullen forge]

Had*

[opaque island]

it did? i never even heard of it

[tranquil owl]

Not many modern fans probably have

[median steeple]

actually it had/has two

[proven topaz]

you will never ever play hellgate london again

😭

[median steeple]

eternal crusade for 40k

[tranquil owl]

Its one of those things ppl dont like to talk about cause it still stings

[median steeple]

and there is a fantasy one still up iirc

[tranquil owl]

So you dont hear it brought up often

[opaque island]

the only MMO worht playing anymore is second life anyway

[tranquil owl]

Wha

[median steeple]

people still play this

[bitter anvil]

Why the fucking EA

[opaque island]

EA sports (its in the game)

[bitter anvil]

They tax every shit they release

[opaque island]

EA didnt used to be shit

i stg

[tranquil owl]

Lets not forget that Warcraft and Starcraft are technically Warhammer and 40k

And thanks to issues blizzard just rebranded them

[proven topaz]

starcraft being 40k maybe

warcraft is not warhammer tho

[opaque island]

i mean look at the space marines

i mean teran marines :^)

oops

im tired

[bitter anvil]

StarCraft I look marine is like knock off space marine

[tranquil owl]

Of course it's not now, but originally it was meant to be

They changed a lot about it

[median steeple]

WoW was a starcraft mod wasn't it?

[bitter anvil]

Or “we have space marine at home”

[sterile stone]

EA Sports

What a shame

[median steeple]

I don't think it was supposed to be anything

[fleet zealot]

I went on the hunt

And i can’t find the game

[tranquil owl]

Wow is an extension of Warcraft no?

[median steeple]

time to ghoul max

[opaque island]

I had a harry potter game on playstation that started with that line, it is forever baked into my memory

[proven topaz]

im pretty sure the wow beta was a modded wc3 client

[fleet zealot]

It had community made assets like you could load in your model in the social rooms as thing thing or a ton of different things

Browser mmo lost to time

[proven topaz]

atleast pre beta

[sterile stone]

Peak EA right here

[median steeple]

I was thinking of MOBAs nvm

[fleet zealot]

I wanna say whirlpool or wyvern but both those searches go to dead ends

[proven topaz]

tbqh

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Mirror's_Edge.jpg

this is where it all went downhil

the games good

[opaque island]

hell yea 💪

[fleet zealot]

Cause there is another mmo call wyvern that is 2d

[proven topaz]

everything after that sucked

[tranquil owl]

I raise

[opaque island]

mirrors edge Catalyst isnt BAD, but it couldve been so much more

gimme a good parkour game please

[sterile stone]

@opaque island https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYqOalzJ0ks

[opaque island]

new

[sterile stone]

This intro was fire as a kid man

[tranquil owl]

Ps2 era sports games were so good

[opaque island]

I always sucked at sports games, they never hooked me tbh

but i get it

[proven topaz]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51mVh0CW7KL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

this also makes me sad af for eas downfall

[tranquil owl]

https://youtu.be/CMRhcrcs5YQ

[proven topaz]

they made some peak games back then

[sterile stone]

I remember this

[tranquil owl]

Was easily my favorite game from the moment i picked it up

[fleet zealot]

I found it

[tranquil owl]

The music banged

[fleet zealot]

Whirled

[tranquil owl]

The courses were wild

[sterile stone]

Midnight club was another game series that was taken out back and buried for no reason

[tranquil owl]

The gameplay was smooth

[sterile stone]

Whirled

[tranquil owl]

Midnight club 😭

[sterile stone]

The avatar mmo game?

[median steeple]

Does anyone remember the Avatar game that had you choose between humans or na'vi

shit was awesome

[tranquil owl]

YEESSSSA

The prequel game

Was so good

[fleet zealot]

Yea

There was a rpg on the engine

And i played that through whirled

[sterile stone]

I remember the one main guy who made that rpg game on it

And people branched off and made spin offs of his avatars

I think his name was Cherub

Found out the guy made web comics

[sullen forge]

Im loading into a match to try out Devils Claw cause its been ages

[sullen forge]

"im sorry im drunk"

[sterile stone]

You can still find his stuff online

That's neat

[sullen forge]

load into a fail screen

the hell happened LMAO

[tranquil owl]

I think they failed

Mayhaps

[median steeple]

the universe killed them for being too strong

[bitter anvil]

They made “You have failed the emperor”

Because that person is drunk

[median steeple]

Gale I have found some advanced brainrot

[tranquil owl]

Can we please get a souls game death message mod that says stuff like this lmao

[bitter anvil]

When you died message pop up “You have failed the emperor”?

Oh you means souls game

I see now

[median steeple]

https://fixvx.com/LocalBateman/status/1902993588167884933 @sullen forge behold

[tranquil owl]

Yee mb on wording

[bitter anvil]

No hard feeling

[opaque island]

goodnight darktide chat https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/796123337595813908/1352690548464681082/M3EYIWu.mp4

[bitter anvil]

Every game queue co-op games with strangers they are unpredictable just like Lester Crest said

https://tenor.com/view/grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-v-grand-theft-auto-online-gta-gta-v-gif-8158299816275856470

[sterile stone]

I wonder if they're gonna bring him back for 6

[bitter anvil]

It’s in Miami I think not

[opaque island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfhWi7Kzu5c I leave you with this

[bitter anvil]

Lester live in cali

[sterile stone]

Eh

[tranquil owl]

Goodnight

[bitter anvil]

It’s a real place tho

[sterile stone]

Yeah nice little area

Shame Cali has that giant cloud of smog everywhere

[bitter anvil]

That’s city of ya

[tranquil owl]

Why is this amazing

Dance Central 3 has a full fledged story

Wtf

A dancing game

[tranquil owl]

Also known as Hollywood

Will never convince me to move to California

If everything isnt on fire then you're budgeting water like its the apocalypse

They haven't had a normal summer in ages it feels like

[bitter anvil]

Like cali has shown in cartoon from helluva boss or Tom and jerry fast and furrious.

Places is popular

[tranquil owl]

Yee

[bitter anvil]

New York is representing as Spider-Man thing

Or avenger

But rest of places is either American sitcom or horror drama movies/tv series

[craggy skiff]

It's not smog... It's smug

[tranquil owl]

Smug smog

[bitter anvil]

Smuggius smog

[tranquil owl]

First visited Cali as a child with my grandfather, was probably like 13 years ago now, gas was over $5 a gallon where as we were paying hardly 2 bucks

I was shook

Then you learn just how brutal cost of living changes across the country

And why

[bitter anvil]

Well I live where sandy cheeks born only pay for 2.39 lowest to 3.15 highest

[craggy skiff]

You cared about the price of gas as a child? You were a weird kid man

[tranquil owl]

Readily admit i was weird

Still am weird

[misty ravine]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Andreas_Fault

One of the earliest political jokes I remember is that every disaster in California was (then-governor) Grey Davis' Fault

[median steeple]

Mad Max was influential on them

[craggy skiff]

Well, you're a darktide player, so i sorta figured that

[tranquil owl]

Moved a lot back then so didnt keep friends for long, probably part of why i was weird

[misty ravine]

Consequences of doing agriculture on an enormous scale in the literal desert

[tranquil owl]

Very good point and very true

[craggy skiff]

Nah, the logic is sorta the opposite. We don't have a lot of water, so we burn a lot of shit down so that we can still have floods with what little we do have

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[bitter anvil]

Holy shit

[tranquil owl]

Locations from game based on actual places, loved that about some games

Yeah gta was good for this ngl

One of my favorite things

[wary finch]

https://tenor.com/view/big-smoke-number9-number-nine-gif-5899637

[tranquil owl]

Might as well make this my ringtone

[wary finch]

Based

[tranquil owl]

Story was so much fun

Now, what about Sleeping Dogs?

Cause that game went hard

[wary finch]

I have two gripes bout the story

The countryside and the rc missions

[tranquil owl]

Still got it downloaded ngl

[wary finch]

Sleeping dogs is a classic

[bitter anvil]

I like the theme setting and background because my heritage

But I never play it

[tranquil owl]

Sleeping Dogs was actually gonna be called something lotus

And was supposed to get a sequel

But we saw how that worked out

Sad too, cause it had a great story

[bitter anvil]

I think it’s gonna be shit like doomsequeler said so

[wary finch]

Fun fact
Sleeping dogs is actually the successor to the defunct True Crime games for the ps2 way back in the mid 2000s

It was meant to be a True Crime game, but then shenanigans happened, Square Enix picked up the project and renamed it to Sleeping Dogs

Then promptly never used it again

[tranquil owl]

Ooooh okay

Holy shiet

Of course square did a one time thing

Off an actual good concept

Meanwhile in the nier replicant you get wall of text simulator

[bitter anvil]

Being undercover cop and bond relationships with gang is hardest loyalty

Which side are you in dilemma

[tranquil owl]

Yee loved it

I gotta remember the first neir game is the same game with like 3 different titles

Xbox version was called Gestalt

Playstation was replicant

Then the na/eu versions were originally just called Nier

<_<

[sterile stone]

Nothing hits better than some hole in the wall taco

[wary finch]

Never got a chance to play the og

The remaster/make is goated tho

Except for having to collect every weapon for the true ending

[hearty nebula]

rewatched creature commandos

||rupert thorne|| shows up and im just like

"hold on a moment"

"THATS DUTCH"

[sterile stone]

Is it the same with the skimpy outfits aswell

[hearty nebula]

only kainé is that way really

and that's less of a "I want to at ogle pretty women" thing in gestalt/replicant

[tranquil owl]

Yeah thats the only part that really drags lol

[tranquil owl]

Yeah lol

Well, mc is a male, but you meet someone who you'll definitely remember

And first thing you notice is their clothing or lack of

Like yep, definitely an older square game

Oh yeah Gabby said it better nvm

That was a heart pounding damnation malestorm, had at least 3 dogs behind me the whole time, dipping and dashing to avoid getting hit while we're making a mad dash for extraction

And every time you're about to drop down to another section you always hear a dog try and nab you <_<

Like yeah, i get it, poxhounds are assholes, but not today Nurgle, not today

[sterile stone]

Word

I've noticed in alot of Asian market games they just don't care about sexualizing their characters

Guess at the end of the day

If whales buy it en masse, why not make it

[hearty nebula]

Emil

[wary finch]

I had to replay my first run bc i missed like 3 swords as young Nier

And iirc you cant get them past timeskip, whatever you miss

I may be wrong
Dont quote me

[plush estuary]

the kidnapping

[sullen forge]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jVIEWyJMUJetKwhFm?invite=cr-MSx1N0gsMTA3NDAxNTcz

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-warpfire-skaven-clan-skryre-warpfire-thrower-gif-12960378359470831154

[ornate bone]

Wait.. from the original nier?

I forgot all about her

[hearty nebula]

[tranquil owl]

Yeee i dont remember things well lol

[tranquil owl]

Omg yesss this is why i looked up a guide cause i knew the game was gonna have some shit like that

Will always manage to remember Weiss tho

https://tenor.com/view/epic-weiss-spin-weiss-grimoire-weiss-nier-nier-replicant-gif-23055361

[wary finch]

Weiss was my favorite right away, right beside Emil

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-skip-henny-hennessy-gif-18537061