zealot-class

[placid fiber]

Goddamn, and it wasn't even with the shield.

[heady rapids]

half of my mh clips are of my gs friend missing all of his wakeups

[zinc talon]

someday, kid. someday you might get one yourself

[frozen kernel]

Was looking at the ogryn changes and Im hoping your crowd pleaser still works

[zinc talon]

yknow I haven't looked at em yet

I prolly should

I did hear about That One Didn't Count where if you miss or hit the head with a rock you get another back

[frozen kernel]

Wondering if it'll mess with the ragdoll force enough that you cant alley oop them anymore

Yeah that sounds SICK

[placid fiber]

Welp I might as well enjoy my current oggy's bs while I can, it's gonna feel extremely different in 10 days

[zinc talon]

god I hope not

I love the heretic orbital program

[placid fiber]

Wait... if the way they're changing batter is making lights also apply 2 stacks of bleed every hit... That would technically vastly improve this shovel's hordeclear...

[potent atlas]

It's not as bad, but I an rural so we lost power and Internet easy

[placid fiber]

Too bad I only use that shovel on my gunlugger builds

[plucky gate]

creature

[zinc talon]

fangfs

schnoz

yes my tattoo says

[copper hawk]

Space marine 3 gameplay

[zinc talon]

'the love we share'

right above my mound and again across the tramp stamp on the back

what an ominous tattoo for an ogryn to have

[tranquil owl]

Is there a particular build i should be aware of for Havok runs? Finally unlocked it, wondered cause of modifiers like corrupted zones

[placid fiber]

Well... for people that don't really know how to havoc I think a build with chorus and the corruption removal aura are advised

I know as you get better at knowing what to do in havoc you can bring any build, pretty much

Mercantile is the one that likes to spam a bunch of gunners at the end event, right?

[misty nova]

Yeah like a third through it

[placid fiber]

I just remember when things went bad during the end event on one of the canival maps... there were a worrying amount of gunners

and generally just me to deal with it

I since have learned you camp at one of those doors you can close for that end event... things go WAY smoother when you do that

[zinc talon]

jeeeeeee-eeeeee-eeeee-zus

triple special spawns

every sniper three snipers

[placid fiber]

I can't wait to finally get a patch where fatshark at the very least addresses the fact the autopistol sucks... It's even better that they're buffing it as well

[grizzled aspen]

Sit in the box with an open end on it and you will only have to worry about specialists.

[zinc talon]

every trapper you guessed it

[grizzled aspen]

Works on h40 lol.

[placid fiber]

And the rare quadruple mauler with 2 on each side(and the 2 behind you were silent)

[grizzled aspen]

They can only come at you 2 at a time.

They physically do not have the space to fit more than that.

[hushed knoll]

Why are you not in bedge

[placid fiber]

[zinc talon]

five hundred and fifteen specials

in that level

[placid fiber]

Oh btw, Frog, I won that Hades 1 run. I didn't even lose a death defy during the hades fight. Cursed slash + zagrius aspect ftw

[zinc talon]

and twenty two bosses

[placid fiber]

I almost did when he got me a little bit with the laser during the 2nd half of the 2nd phase... >.>'

[placid fiber]

Man, tho, the sword felt like I was just hitting the enemies with a wooden sword when they had +30% hp...

[zinc talon]

I thought 381 weapons were fixed

yes I know rounding error

but if they fixed it....

[placid fiber]

They were "fixed" just like they "fixed" the end stats changing as you empower a weapon...

[zinc talon]

oh

[hushed knoll]

Hi Okra

Hi Darkpillthony

[placid fiber]

Hi Stan

[zinc talon]

so

hi stan

so

if something has 8 stacks of skullcrusher

and I hit it with an attack that bowls it over

does that attack I just hit it with benefit from skullcrusher

or only subsequent ones

[placid fiber]

Only if it is staggered when you hit them iirc

[zinc talon]

right on

[hard nexus]

no

stacks apply and effect only while the enemy is staggered

[zinc talon]

right on

I juts didn't know if maybe the stagger got applied before the damage did in the same hit or something

I figured all this was the case I just rocked a bulwark with my zealot & crusher

I'm talking full health

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah crusher does that

[zinc talon]

bulwarks seem a good bit easier when everything's all stacked up and you get a good hit on em

[zinc talon]

vs in previous builds

[obsidian prairie]

Oh well no shit you've got thrust

[zinc talon]

oh that was just a sidebar vid I had cuz the folder was up

this was in a match tonight

I think I oneshot the bulwark tonight

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah a 60% on demand power boost tends to lead to high damage

[zinc talon]

heh I wasn't using thrust on that mission

opportunist

either way it's nice bulwarks are so flimsy now if you get an opening with the crusher

[placid fiber]

@hushed knoll Stan... what are your thoughts about disablers(Trappers, Muties, Hounds iirc)?

[hexed igloo]

The knockdown is when you hit the true charge slash combo on their tail to get that sweet sweet cutoff, it's a better chance for a gem, 7% carve chance vs 5% chance for body carve

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iOYRSUkPOq4HQjcXx?invite=cr-MSx6ak8sMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[hard nexus]

only really trappers and hounds

mutants don’t disable, just damage u slightly and throw u

[spare talon]

"crusher is a cc weapon"

[hard nexus]

(1700 carapace on a crit weakspot PA)

i wish crusher had slightly better dodges

[obsidian prairie]

A dead crowd is permanently controlled

[hard nexus]

but it’s fine otherwise

[carmine falcon]

crushers requires you to spam more than 1 attack to fight armor

combos 2 hard

pls understand

[hard nexus]

true

the psyker mindset

[grizzled aspen]

(it's 2 different 2 hit combos)

[obsidian prairie]

Oh yeah I tried zealot smaul with IJ

Pretty neat mid weapon

[carmine falcon]

2 is a number above 1

2 hard

[obsidian prairie]

The fact it can't stop mutants on special but fucking Taxe can is criminal though

[grizzled aspen]

That's why soyker mains screech and claw at the walls about mk6 fgs being better, because horde clear is just mash lights.

[obsidian prairie]

mk8 has easy access to the stab

You just

Heavy twice

or chain in from one of the lights

[carmine falcon]

i noticed largue portion of the playerbase just prefers weapons that mash lights for hordes and do strikdowns for elites
0 combos involved
was it also like this in vermentide?

[misty ravine]

Or push attack into heavy

[hard nexus]

they’re both light spam lmfao

[obsidian prairie]

mk8 can work a heavy in somewhere

[grizzled aspen]

I use h1 l2 loop for mk8. 🤷

[hard nexus]

mk6 and mk8 have the option of mixing a heavy into the lights

[obsidian prairie]

I couldn't tell you where

[grizzled aspen]

Ans mk6 is like... the 4th or 5th hit to weave a single heavy.

[hard nexus]

mk6 on L3 chains into sweeping heavy

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-come-deliverance-henry-of-skalitz-kcd-kcd-2-kingdom-come-deliverance-2-gif-8513144675739880089

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah and then you have to swing 4 more lights to get back to that heavy.

[obsidian prairie]

Ahh fuck I got the mks wrong

[spare talon]

taxe stays winning

[grizzled aspen]

Mk8 is just heavy light ooga booga.

[obsidian prairie]

I run mk6

Because the stab doesn't need a PA

[hard nexus]

so ur point of mk6 just being lightspam was moot

lmfao

[obsidian prairie]

3

[grizzled aspen]

No it isn't.

[hard nexus]

yah it is

[grizzled aspen]

People are still going to just spam lights with it.

[hard nexus]

you have the option of a heavy

same as the mk8

[grizzled aspen]

You think the majority of psyker players have the brain power to remember their 4th swing could be a heavy?

Emphasis on could.

[hard nexus]

you think a majority of zealot players have the brain power to remember their 3rd light on mk2 relic is a sweep?

[obsidian prairie]

stab

[grizzled aspen]

No, that's why they use mk10 lmao.

[hard nexus]

mk2

that’s mk10

[obsidian prairie]

FUCK

[spare talon]

if they have the brainpower to swap marks, yes

[hard nexus]

absolutely washed

[obsidian prairie]

I GOT THE MKS WRONG AGAIN

[hard nexus]

my goat is washed

[obsidian prairie]

I haven't played relic in a bit

[hard nexus]

same

[obsidian prairie]

Been playing tac axe and smaul

and psyker

[hard nexus]

i think tac axe is weak and needs a buff guys

[grizzled aspen]

Anyway, most zealout players choose mk10 because it's light spam.

[hard nexus]

it reaaaalllt needs a buff

[spare talon]

tac axe needs a buff

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah totally

[hard nexus]

it’s sooooo weak

[spare talon]

tac axe needs a huge buff no one uses it

[obsidian prairie]

It absolutely needs a buff its D-tier and unusable

[placid fiber]

"-and throw you" ...
The ledge they throw you WAY over:

[grizzled aspen]

You only use heavies on mk10 to open with single target, otherwise you don't use them.

[obsidian prairie]

How many times have you shitposted about taxe being weak in the playtesting dimension or whatever you call it

[grizzled aspen]

Or weave into single target overheads from the poke.

[carmine falcon]

i prefer the mk2 with each passing day but mk10 is just safer
u virtually cant fuck up a combo or timing

[tranquil owl]

Its all i need anymore ngl <_<

[hard nexus]

relic sucks

i don’t like it

too strong

[spare talon]

honestly the weapon itself is genuinely weak without brutal momentum

[obsidian prairie]

Live Caxe reaction

[hard nexus]

all axes moment

[placid fiber]

Heavy 1, heavy 2, light 3, rinse and repeat... or sprint heavy (then where-ever that starts at the single target combo and on)

[tranquil owl]

Running heavy stab with blade turned on does the God Emperor's work

[spare talon]

if brutal momentum gets nerfed, both taxe and caxe just die

[hard nexus]

what zero cleave does to a mfer

[spare talon]

tax heavies have 3 cleave

3

[hard nexus]

ah

of course

[carmine falcon]

i like the heavies on mk10 in none powered up mode

but when powered up just mash lights

powered up heavies do stagger everything tho

[tranquil owl]

Im scared to see what my relic blade is gonna feel like at 500

[obsidian prairie]

The horrors

[hard nexus]

more cleave than combat axes

i think

[tranquil owl]

Might try the recon lazgun, got a good one recently

[obsidian prairie]

Nuh uh

Way fucking less

[hard nexus]

it’s only the PAs that cleave

[spare talon]

you literally have 3 attack profiles on the taxe
cleave light, single target light, and heavy/push attack
any attack on any mark falls into one of these 3 attack profiles

the only difference is angle of the swing

oh and the special

i guess 4

[obsidian prairie]

I still think its neat that Smaul heavies have the sweep cleave for some reason

[spare talon]

its really funny

you can unironically horde clear with overheads if its dense enough

[obsidian prairie]

I don't know their distribution though

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah I tested that a while ago

[spare talon]

iirc its fucking good

well

[obsidian prairie]

If you get shit to funnel a door or a horde is really thick you can just heavy spam on Agni

[hushed knoll]

Hello carpets

[spare talon]

its okay upon looking at it again

and kind fucking stupid

[placid fiber]

Yep... the mk4 is the opposite of the mk2... question: How much does it matter that the mk4's lights are cleave lights? aren't their damage amounts similar to the mk2's single target lights?

[spare talon]

what the actual fuck is this

[obsidian prairie]

I haven't looked much at distros is this good or bad

[spare talon]

first 2 targets of the overhead recieve pretty decent damage

falls of hard at the 3rd but could be worse

hits fucking 0 for the 4th target
then is just over half of the 3rd for the min cleave damage

?????/

why does the 4th take no damage and the 5th take damage

[obsidian prairie]

Wait what the fuck

[placid fiber]

wait the 4th target takes no damage, but, the 5th target does...?

[obsidian prairie]

I finally found the thing on how to read it

[placid fiber]

What in the old eviscerator is that shit?

[spare talon]

wait i think i was looking at a different weapon and didnt select a attack

what weapon was i looking at that has this

[obsidian prairie]

Smaul overhead

[spare talon]

no im saying i was looking at something else i think

cuz if i click on that now

[zinc talon]

I will suffer NO SLANDER TO THE HOLY RELIC IN THIS HOUSE OF THE GOD EMPEROR

saved my team like twice in that match earlier

[placid fiber]

oh lol

[zinc talon]

personally I think what it is

is it's one of the few purely supportive ultimates on offer for any class

it's a nice change of pace from ultimates being just big bomb damage in some form

[spare talon]

OH

@obsidian prairie THATS EVEN MORE CURSED

IT WAS THE SHOCK MAUL

[obsidian prairie]

What fucking attack???

[spare talon]

H2/H3

FOR INDI

[zinc talon]

you boys doggin on my not-knife nimble weapon

[spare talon]

i was clicking on h1 forgetting that it was a sweep

[placid fiber]

Someone said they should change up the cleave damage to something weird to mess with ocd people

[spare talon]

so i was right

its the overheads

lemme show it in action

[zinc talon]

what's the issue with the shock maul?

[obsidian prairie]

Indi would be neat if chaining wrong didn't mean fully canceling to reset

[spare talon]

or push attack

[obsidian prairie]

This shit

[zinc talon]

assalotta cleave

[spare talon]

overheads have 11.1 cleave

same as the heavy sweep

[zinc talon]

damage falloff on the maul is pretty egregious

I appreciate the cleave but it's like

if you for whatever reason bonk off with an attack you do fuckall to the enemy

and just lost your chain and your rythm

it's even more all or nothing than the crusher attacks

[hard nexus]

no it sucks because it’s OP

i don’t like it

oh no i’m talking about relic blade

not chorus

[placid fiber]

You're right you can do some extremely stupid things with the relic blade... and unlike the dueling sword it has amazing horde clear on top of the things it can do <.<

[zinc talon]

lol

yknow I'm not much of a user at all

but when I do bring it

it doesn't seem like there's anything that can really get in my face at all

so I spose that's directly to your point

I'm glad they added the heat management element to the game though

that's a great new form of 'activating' a weapon that adds an element of skill to activation

I hope future new chain and power weapons get some sort of management for their activations too

not just the opportunity cost of having to rev

[spare talon]

lemme give the agni shock maul a real shot
load into game
20 fps

[zinc talon]

agni's combos are identical to the crushers in swing type

but basically both mauls are the same 4chain light attacks but staggered in whether it's a sweep or an overhead for L1/H1

I feel like agni's easier to just pick up and use

cuz it doesn't fall into the repeating left right overhead heavy combo

so much easier to find your CC with

or if you're bumped or otherwise reset in your combo chain when it's hectic

but thrust is much more conducive to the muni than the agni I feel like

aynways yall prolly know all this already

[zinc talon]

odd

don't think mine has ever once messed up

scoreboard or ovenproof both

maybe check to see if that directory is actually there?

or empty or missing

[placid fiber]

👇 They're handing em out like it's happy hour and instead of alcohol they have deaths instead

[tranquil owl]

Trying recon lazgun, assuming its good for the burn stacks, already miss my bolt headshots

[formal umbra]

very good for burn stacks

idk how good it is on zealot tho

[tranquil owl]

Yeah idk tbh, I've been religiously using bolt pistol but i wasn't sure if i should invest in bleed stacks since im using it, or focus on crit chance and weakspot damage

I dont know much about whats good with everything yet

[placid fiber]

From my experience when you aim down the sights you can shoot specials from quite far away, with relative ease

[tranquil owl]

Yeah it hits long range with ease, its more that im used to the usually instant death from bp headshots, but im wondering if bp is solid choice vs bosses or not

[plush estuary]

very mid ground on zel

[obtuse stirrup]

I like the bleed/explosion bolt pistol tbh

it's nice to just tag a boss with 4 shots

and it's pretty stable if you want to quickly hipfire a trapper you can't quite reach while you're in a mosh pit

it's a more flexible, explosive zarona revolver for me. I'm actually not sure what Zarona does better at this point, as much as I still love it.

[grizzled aspen]

Revolvers kill crushers much faster.

That's their only upside against bp.

[broken walrus]

Does the BP kill specials in one shot reliably? Thats what I use the revolver for. The BP is better ammo wise for shooters, but I use the revolver if I just want to kill specials

[obtuse stirrup]

I think it kills pretty much all of them on a headshot

probably on a body too

I think some might need the middle top talent and some proximity idk

[obtuse stirrup]

sometimes the incremental reload can be an advantage, since it doesn't 0 its magazine out once you start the process so you're less likely to get caught with your breeches down

but on the other hand it's a fair bit worse hipfired

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, iirc the only breakpoint you struggle with is flamers.

Which you can just run maniac for.

Obviously you won't be one tapping mutants with it.

[broken walrus]

good to know. Might have to reevaluate some builds. A lot of my zealot builds have the revolver cuz that was teh default for so long

[obtuse stirrup]

Would you run maniac for that? I take flak/Unarmoured but I've been unsure about it

[grizzled aspen]

Flak and unarmored is fine but I think you should swap unarmored to maniac if you want to oneshot specialists.

First match back on in like 3 weeks and I'm about to queue a 3veg...

[spare talon]

hopefully you get a good team

[placid fiber]

Come on, Cole, everyone knows good teams(when you get randos) are a myth

[spare talon]

i wouldnt be so sure

[placid fiber]

Maybe not, but, they sometimes feel like it when you get a bad set of runs in a row where the randos are worse than a disabled bot...

I'm trying out dionysus' call, since I have the omega fast recharging call thingy... not sure how I feel about it. To me it just feels like a worse zeus call...

I'm guessing it is supposed to be a cc type of call, rather than a damage one

[grizzled aspen]

The joke is that I literally queued into him.

[tranquil owl]

So whats the deal with dueling sword? Ive heard dont use it quite a bit

[placid fiber]

tfw one of your randos is one of da good ones

[spare talon]

exceedingly overpowered weapon
does everything way too well, to the point where you dont actually learn the game

[placid fiber]

[plush estuary]

creates bad habits with its infinite dodges and single target damage that destroys armor

[placid fiber]

Cole I was already sold on it, you don't need to keep trying to futher sell me on it.

[spare talon]

its also super fucking boring to use

[placid fiber]

Oh you were talking the dueling sword, not the relic blade. I forgot to read what the other person said

[tranquil owl]

Aaaaah so people discover its op and then go batshit crazy commiting the Heretical act of thinking they are The Beneficent God Emperor

[spare talon]

its more that its literally better than everything else resulting in everyone running the exact same loadout in every single game

and thats boring as fuck

[lean cairn]

@plush estuary

[fringe bay]

Is there a dueling sword mark that’s worse than the others

[spare talon]

mk5

[fringe bay]

Can’t believe I have to ask but

[spare talon]

that one is the one thats closest to balance

[placid fiber]

Wait people bring the autopistol with the dueling sword? I thought I was just one of the weird ones...

[plush estuary]

in twins , 1 min

egg

[fringe bay]

Okay, mark 5 it is

[plush estuary]

cole!

[spare talon]

woe
shock maul be upon you

[plush estuary]

raider

[tranquil owl]

Yeah i might have to keep one in my inv just for those days im too fed up to care

[placid fiber]

Since the mk4 dueling sword can literally kill everything... you can bring any ranged weapon you want... even the autopistol... Hell you could probably get away with a gray autopistol, tbh, with it

[tranquil owl]

Pair it with flamer

[fringe bay]

Pair it with flamer for maximum boredom

[pure tree]

https://tenor.com/view/not-you-animated-family-guy-peter-griffin-gif-10660839080259207683

[tranquil owl]

P much, not gonna be a thing i use all the time i imagine, relic sword is still my baby

[fringe bay]

I’m not much of a zealot player, I just like being in here because it’s random

I think zealot is my least favorite class though

[tranquil owl]

Running stab heavy charge with special active combined with Fury of the Faithful turns you into a javelin of doom

Relic blade just brings fun with it

[tranquil owl]

Thats fair, I'll eventually play other classes

[spare talon]

LMAO

[tranquil owl]

But i love the melee focus

[fringe bay]

I think part of the reason I don’t like zealot is that most people in pubs that play it are the worst

[tranquil owl]

I like the guns too, mostly just bolt guns and bolt pistols

[placid fiber]

Meh... unless I am doing aurics/maelstroms/havoc I forget to use the flamer... horde? Chastise + light spam. Elites? Chastise + poke dodge spam... boss? Chastise + poke dodge spam... a pit? Death. Not sure what else you expected with that one.

[fringe bay]

All zealot pubs want to do is rush, like bro take some time to play the game

[plush estuary]

We were watching movie with your shock maul

dont mind dorn

afk hours

[fringe bay]

To be fair, I don’t really like pubs past malice anyways, but still

[placid fiber]

If I am not doing anything super serious I'll probably bring the autopistol(meaning normal int damnation or below) for trapper melting and on the fly toughness regeneration

[pure tree]

It's all this guy does

[tranquil owl]

Right, people seem to be afraid they wont survive the hoard in Heresy difficulty <_<, meanwhile there's probably a bunch of resources missed

[spare talon]

dude shock maul is so unbelievably mid

[fringe bay]

Heresy pubs are so bad dude

[tranquil owl]

Not to mention secondary objectives that i never see ppl trying to complete

[spare talon]

like i fuck with the agni more yeah and im willing to use it now

[fringe bay]

If you’re this bad at the game play a lower diff

[spare talon]

but fucking dude

this was a 3veg

[tranquil owl]

You aint gotta tell me, im glad i moved past it quickly

[spare talon]

and 2 of them were mid joins

it struggles

[plush estuary]

should've seen my pub eailer on the A-I-II

level 28, 30, and 60.

you missed out

[grizzled aspen]

Bro you can't even say anything regarding someone's flavor of crazy because automod blocks it.

[spare talon]

most of the boss damage was duellist agri revolver magdumps

[tranquil owl]

I'll still run a heresy maelstorm tho to see how bad it can get tho ngl lmao

[fringe bay]

Maelstroms are usually fine I’ve found

[placid fiber]

Have you seen the quality of heresy randos? I'm not worried about me surving a horde, I'm just waiting for the shoe to drop and all randos to insta die to something stupid >.>

[grizzled aspen]

Also just got an engine error crash, quite funny.

[fringe bay]

Either teammates running meta or people good at the game, usually not that many awful players

[spare talon]

look at this fresh vet

[plush estuary]

get off of his ride

[grizzled aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1287161017205526608/s3OnVwp.gif

[spare talon]

he cant even play heresy yet

[tranquil owl]

The ammount of times ive already been randomly tosssed off the side of a map in my first few matches as a new player, were enough to keep me paying better attention

[plush estuary]

fear this man

[spare talon]

dude its low level hours rn

[grizzled aspen]

Also @spare talon I took so much damage in that 3veg because I went to push a burster with my laspistol and it just wouldn't push, then got sniped midair.

[fringe bay]

I’ll prob max zealot last, since I need to do psyker first then ogryn after the patch

[tranquil owl]

Snipers casually making you feel just how expendable you are

[fringe bay]

Snipers when I snipe them with a braced autogun

[spare talon]

the game before i started desyncing right when i went to push 2 bunched up bursters and i took the damage from both of them before i had even gotten within range, then i few back like 5 seconds later

[placid fiber]

I literally can't play tide games if I am not able to at least focus on the game(or at least I won't)... randos might bring whatever omega shitty build and their worse than trash skills to the game... but I respect other people enough to not bring something that isn't solid or come when I'm working with like... 1/4th mental capacity... plus trappers and hounds exist... even on sedition you can get disabled if you aren't paying attention >.>

[grizzled aspen]

Engine crash and boom, infinite loading screen on restart.

[tranquil owl]

Exactly what they deserve

[grizzled aspen]

Fart shark does not want me to play tonight, it seems.

[tranquil owl]

Yupp, once you realize how important positioning and awareness is, game begins to feel a lot better

[grizzled aspen]

Queued into a level 800 psyker, I pray they are not using smite, I did not get to look.

[placid fiber]

On a side note: Holy fuck these are expensive...

[tranquil owl]

But also begin to get annoyed by randoms who've obviously been playing longer and dont seem to comprehend the same things.

I dont think its too hard to notice where you're at vs the rest of team, someone had to remind me about positioning and after that its been subconscious

The rest I'll get better at if i dont forget what ive learned so far

[placid fiber]

Ooo one of the 2 rando boons that got their quality upgraded was my purple greater evasion. This is the 1st time I've had greater evasion at legendary quality. :3

I also am trying out the 1st level in the +20% movement and attack speeds instead of 3 others for this 7 heat zagrius shield run I'm doing. I got the double attack no pushback hammer in the 1st room. >:3

[grizzled aspen]

That's heroic, not legendary.

Iirc legendary is below heroic.

[placid fiber]

Oh I meant heroic, I just didn't double check the actual quality name first... still I haven't had +25% evasion before, I am 100% certain this is gonna be handy this run. The enemies not having bonus hp with aphrodite attack + double attack each shield swing and +15 attack/dash attack damage... I actually pretty well slaughtered lenny(the bone hydra)

[neon relic]

is doing the penance where you dont shoot shit throwing in pugs or

[placid fiber]

Not really, if you know what you are doing and the randos know how to shoot

Does that one need to be in a private group, tho? I can't remember which ones do and which ones don't...

[delicate shadow]

nah honestly it's pretty easy to pull off

[tranquil owl]

I only use my gun for ranged special units, but if i just didn't use it, someone else would insta pop their head anyways

Have to think about how you move, like positioning and such a bit more since in the case you are needing to reach ranged enemies, you're not trying to lose half your health doing so

[tranquil owl]

No, thankfully that one doesn't need to be private

I dont even know how ima do the private game one for that chest piece i want

The red cloth with the candles on the shoulder plate

Gotta have less than a wounds worth of health remaining for 75% of the mission, completing has to be done in 20mins which isn't even bad

[formal umbra]

I did it with a revolver and power sword, was pretty easy lol

did it first try

[tame sluice]

just do rolling steel

playt like ass at the start to lose your health and then go on

rolling steel has a 10 minute time limit before you just lose so

[tranquil owl]

Bet

Also good practice for if i wanna get used to martydom build

[placid fiber]

Tfw goats are as deadly as they are in the zelda games breath of the wild/tears of the kingdom(since they can ram you down an entire cliff side)...

[placid fiber]

lol I was 2 uses away from being a master... I was doing a run and I said fuck this and gave up on it... came back, used it once it was the same, used it the 2nd time and all of a sudden he played like 5 seconds of music instead of a few notes.

[placid fiber]

Holy fuck is she gonna be able to say his name, eventually? I never thought she would say anything other than murder.

[placid fiber]

These were the highlights of the run I just did. Zeus on special rama... I got smoldering air this time, but, I was stuck with ares call... which... kinda sucked even with constant use... also the lightning had a 40% chance to strike twice

[placid fiber]

wait... this can't be right... I have 2800 gold and hoarding slash on the zagrius sword(well and cursed slash)... but it says 5% of your gold as bonus damage, and 5% of 2800 would be my attack should be doing +140 damage... is that right or am I doing some calculation wrong? Just wondering, Frog, cause that seems a bit absurd... @grizzled aspen

[grizzled aspen]

Pretty sure it has a cap.

[placid fiber]

huh... this guy is saying attack boons are calculated before the additive damage, but, crit multiplies the total value or smthing like that

either way this is really stupid

[tame sluice]

guy a bit lower down in that thread puts in a simpler way

Hoarding Slash's damage boost is correctly listed, but always applied after everything else

It's applied dead last

[placid fiber]

Either way, +140 damage per attack(compared to what I would do without it) is nothing to sneeze at

especially since I have the zagrius aspect sword at lvl 5

I ended up trading world splitter(which was hurting me in the satre tunnels) for hoarding slash and super nova

[distant yoke]

Afaik that boon is bigshit because the +damage is added AFTER all your other boon modifiers, so it doesn't stack well at all

Get it for the prophecy and then never pick it again

[placid fiber]

Well... it was one of the 2 random hammers I got for trading 1 hammer in AND I alreay had bought everything from the charon shop but the titan blood... and I cleared the rest of the tunnels and sitll had 2800 left. Sure it's added after other stuff, but, +140 damage is +140 damage and I had the zagrius sword aspect(+15% attack speed)... It might not have been op, but, I was getting that +140 damage like 2 times per second <.<

[distant yoke]

Yeah I mean, it works, it's just extremely non optimal

[placid fiber]

but yeah I didn't choose it x.x

Whenever I saw it in the hammer options I always thought it looked kinda sus <.<

I only have 1 tab of prophecies left to do

[distant yoke]

Harsh Conditions is fun

[placid fiber]

This companion thingy has come in handy, ever since I got it. A free 1000 damage and some goodies as well

[distant yoke]

I always use bouldy

True Ogryn player at heart, using rocks in other games too

[placid fiber]

I only have these ones, so far... I am very close to getting the one from achilles, tho. I haven't seen thanatos in my hub area to get that last friendship level to get closer to getting his, yet...

[placid fiber]

tfw you're 2 dollery doos short of dat health upgrade...

[acoustic dune]

OK OK hear me out

What if we turn terra

Into a giant fuckoff mech

[placid fiber]

Stop playing Hades and go play Darktide after this boss fight? 😮

[acoustic dune]

And let the emperor control it

[acoustic dune]

No...
Play minecrap and beat the ender dragoon

Stoopid

[formal umbra]

Based and Orkpilled

[acoustic dune]

Fly straight into the eye of terror

And fight the chaos gods

https://tenor.com/view/gurren-lagann-gif-23713886

Just make one of these

[placid fiber]

What do you gusy think, with all those fancy changes to the ogryn's talent tree do you think flechette on the ripper will still be basically useless?

[distant yoke]

I mean, you can still make bleed burn Ripper work even now

it's not the greatest, but it works

it's gonna get better by a noticeable margin

[acoustic dune]

lemme in phill

lemme be evil

[hushed knoll]

Wolfy omg it’s you

https://tenor.com/view/hug-gif-26237735

Hello darkpillthony

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-shut-up-shut-it-shush-shut-your-mouth-gif-26635232

[hushed knoll]

[acoustic dune]

what did you eat today stan...

[hushed knoll]

You will regret what you just did

[acoustic dune]

i always did

[placid fiber]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess you also need cavalcade for it to be worth much >.>

[acoustic dune]

nowtell us

[hushed knoll]

😠😠😠😠

[distant yoke]

yes

Cavalcade/Fletchette with Light Em Up PBB

[placid fiber]

[sacred jay]

Only recently have i tried blazing piety with flamer and everlasting flame

Ive been missing out

[frosty herald]

Can opener flechette with ripper

[acoustic dune]

bought theses today

[frosty herald]

Bleed wont do any significant damage if your missing the rending

[distant yoke]

that is a terrible idea, you don't have the crit chance to use Fletchette then

[acoustic dune]

great shit

[hushed knoll]

OH MY GOD PUT THOSE IN MY MOUTH

[misty ravine]

"Truly our Warmaster had become The Horus Heresy"

[fleet zealot]

Pass me a drink bartender

[acoustic dune]

why is he negative colour

[fleet zealot]

?

https://tenor.com/view/violetgif-isawwhatyouedited-edited-gif-26297515

[placid fiber]

Bandit... I am having a problem... I played so much Hades 1 that I am a bit disoriented while playing Darktide...

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[placid fiber]

I still can swap to ranged for a sec to cap a trapper, at least. :3

[placid fiber]

idk what it is, rn, but I am not damaging very well in the matches I'm playing with Knify... what I am doing well is killing disablers at least x.x

[acoustic dune]

imma go enjoy a nappy nap

with pastry n milk

[placid fiber]

ty for the games, knify

[acoustic dune]

cya when i cya

[placid fiber]

That build you had does work at least

[acoustic dune]

its cancerous

very evil

you should try it

[placid fiber]

Maybe sometime, but, not today while I am busy getting back into the flow of darktide x.x

I am just glad I still am able to kill specials adequately, considering I'm a bit disoriented rn in darktide

[mint brook]

what am i even supposed to put on the double barrel shotgun?

[misty helm]

Flak/Maniac
and then either
Man-Stopper/Scattershot
Deathspitter/Both Barrels
depending on how you wanna cook

[mint brook]

thx

[open echo]

what are the rashad perks? :3

[sacred jay]

brutal momentum and headtaker

[placid fiber]

What if I want to kill crushers? :3

[polar nexus]

Flak unarmored/unyielding/elite/cara

[misty helm]

why are you buying clothes at the soup store using a shotgun against crushers

[polar nexus]

Second perk is what you want to prioritize

[placid fiber]

Idk, I just thought of some stupid thing you wouldn't use for and I jumped on that thought

I am still falling down the stairway of insanity, after that one

[open echo]

i was suggested unyeilding + cara before, or would that miss bps?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-missile-explosion-kitten-baby-gif-12020335096465661960

[ornate bone]

noooooo

brother

[mint brook]

ife be busy, so here is a little vidictor animation:

[ornate bone]

The music's a really nice touch

[mint brook]

i felt it fitted in

[ornate bone]

it does

[mint brook]

devs music to this game always slaps

[ornate bone]

Darktide has a really good soundtrack

[mint brook]

it really does

[mild sparrow]

It's done

[formal umbra]

now you can play the game again

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

Another havoc run failed

Because of a fragging Sword Captain

No animation bs

Haaaaaate

Hate hate hate

I'm queuing assassination missions from now on

[mild sparrow]

Was so good seeing it pop up like 1/3rd of the way into the match

[gray ice]

Mete out retribution in the emperor's name

Punish them for their transgressions

[violet hornet]

glad I'm not the only one that thinks these are shitty to fight

[formal umbra]

Everyone does dw

They're literally broken

Their animations don't work

[open echo]

@misty nova whats your opinion on rashad perks?

[ornate bone]

noooooo brother dont

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1334710158525202443/99vpAu6.gif

[tawdry leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/good-triumphs-cat-mrow-meow-idk-gif-13691899891700108231

[candid shuttle]

Thammer zealot is so fun when you got fuckers to clean up the crowds

[formal umbra]

Simply burn the hordes and bonk whatever's tough enough to be still standing tbh

[tranquil saddle]

game gave me this is this good? also wish me luck on rolling relics

[formal umbra]

You want 60% mobility and 80% everything else, so not really

But it's more than usable, I just wouldn't invest long term in it

[tranquil saddle]

Is it better than the heavy evis?

Like weapon wise

[formal umbra]

Kind of but also not

They're different weapons with different uses

[tranquil saddle]

I like applying a lot of bleed and have a lot of cleave to clear hoards

[formal umbra]

It's just that the evis is better in most situations (in my opinion) but it's more than usable

Try it out in the paykanium or just play some games with it to see if you like it

[mild sparrow]

Chaxe is better single target but evis better all around

[tawdry leaf]

isnt chainaxe dump defense?

defences

also infinite loading screen WOO FARTSHARK

[mild sparrow]

I think it's 60 defense dump stat but probs not a big deal tbh

[tawdry leaf]

do defence dump for chainaxe

if any of it is in mobility its probably fine

[formal umbra]

Oh right

[copper hawk]

Dump whichever one doesnt effect dodges

[formal umbra]

Yeah, defense

[acoustic dune]

from a long distant

the chainaxe look like a tank

[vocal gazelle]

What's the best dump stat for relic blade?

[placid fiber]

Mobility

[vocal gazelle]

Out of curiosity, can I ask why?

[fleet zealot]

because everything else boosts dps

[violet hornet]

Other stats either directly affect damage or indirectly effect damage by changing uptime and effectiveness of the active stance

[fleet zealot]

mobility doesn't

[placid fiber]

Every other stat affects your ability to deal damage with it

[violet hornet]

Mobility just changes the range and number of dodges you have, but dumping it to 60% likely doesn't remove a dodge you would have at 80%, just makes them a tiny bit shorter

[placid fiber]

and slightly bumps up the sprint speed

[vocal gazelle]

Right. makes sense. I usually have a max mobility bolt pistol for getting around and stuff.

[formal umbra]

Yeah dodge count caps at 51% mobility the rest is just there for good feeling

Imo you can dump reload speed on the bolt pistol

[fleet zealot]

never does

[placid fiber]

Bolt pistol dumps collateral, as well

[fleet zealot]

yea you dump collateral on range

if it has it

[vocal gazelle]

Sick! That's the 60 on my pistol.

I'm so lucky

[placid fiber]

The only real weird ranged weapons are pysker staffs(since they generally dump warp resistance) and the flamer which dumps damage

[acoustic dune]

Flamer is between damage and or mobility

[vocal gazelle]

How do I up a weapon's stats?

[formal umbra]

Go to hadron

[violet hornet]

Empowering at the hadron alter

[copper hawk]

Eeeeerm altar*

Ur butcherin our beautiful language ,,

[placid fiber]

Generally speaking it's more suggested to dump damage, since the 20% damage only gives maybe... 1 dps

[tranquil saddle]

Ok it is time to roll some curios

[formal umbra]

You get the option to consecrate and empower, consecrating ups it's rarity and gives it another perk or blessing slot, the other boosts its stats

[tranquil saddle]

May I get the rolls I want

[copper hawk]

Rolls r predetermined

[formal umbra]

Oh hey it's Wallace guy what's up

[copper hawk]

U roll at Brunt's buying wpns in bulk

[tranquil saddle]

For flamer zealot it’s what tough/stam or tough/health?

For curios

[copper hawk]

Henlo

I always run 1 hp and 2 tness curios

Some ppl run 1 stam 2 tness

Like ainz i thinj

Think*

I run +hp, +tness, +gunners on all three

[tranquil saddle]

What’s max toughness on a curios?

[violet hornet]

Phone autocorrect when you use a religious term for the first time instead of a similar word used on common discourse

[tranquil saddle]

I forgot

[copper hawk]

For around 171 tness and 210 hp

[copper hawk]

17

Hp is 21

[placid fiber]

Sweet, the only 4th weapon aspect I don't have at level 5 is the sword's Arthur one. >:3

[tranquil saddle]

I got a 15 toughness bullet better than what I have now I guess I can use it

[tranquil saddle]

What’s max stam

[copper hawk]

3

[tranquil saddle]

Game gave me 2

[placid fiber]

3, but, the curio has to have a 410 or higher rating for it to be a true 3 stamin curio

[copper hawk]

Iirc they have to be over a certain rating in order to actually get 3

Only curio like this

[placid fiber]

400 rated "3 stamina curios" give 3 stamina in the meat grinder, but, only 2 in actual missions

[violet hornet]

Real ones use only 420 curios

[tranquil saddle]

lol

[copper hawk]

[tranquil saddle]

Whatever I can use for now

[copper hawk]

Curios r the worst grind atm

Only way to buy in bulk is from melk in his milkstore

W milkbuz

[tranquil saddle]

You can’t buy them anywhere only melk right?

[formal umbra]

Are you for real.

[tranquil saddle]

Yeah

[copper hawk]

Yah

[copper hawk]

Or earn them from missions

[formal umbra]

I have to check my curios once I'm home it seems.

[placid fiber]

Yep, before it was 75 base rated 3 stamina curios that were fake...

[tranquil saddle]

Curios sub stat is hp and gunner resistance what about the 3rd perk? @copper hawk stam efficiency or?

[formal umbra]

Every day I learn new and exciting ways this game is jank. I love fatshark

[copper hawk]

Tness

[violet hornet]

Shrimply win 500 auric maels, all the curios you could ever want

[copper hawk]

U always want more tness

Tness refreshes and is what stands between you and death

Talents restore a % of tness, not a flat amount (usually)

So the more tness u have the more attacks u can resist b4 losing hp

[tranquil saddle]

We slowly getting there

[copper hawk]

I try to get my tness greater than or equal to 150 at the very least

[tranquil saddle]

One day I will have maxed curios

[placid fiber]

One day darktide's specials will all make sound, as well... your goal is WAY more likely to be done before that, though

[formal umbra]

One day crushers will run out of pillows to wear over their boots

[copper hawk]

Nurgle has a contract with Dr Scholls

[broken walrus]

your feet will rot away, but at least they will be comfortable

[placid fiber]

Welp I just learned something concerning in Hades 1... these thingamabobbers are actually random. Even if you use them on the same 1st room boon... <.<'

I swapped out my room rerolls for these to test them out

1st 2 times the reroll got me a purple attack boon, these last 2 times I've gotten a blue one...

the one before the last 2 didn't even give me an attack boon option

at least the 1st offered boons/hammers are always the same for that 1st room (for that specific weapon aspect in the case of hammers)

[tranquil owl]

My eyes lmao

What are they witnessing

[placid fiber]

A bearded guy holding a lolipop

[median steeple]

You have to say pwease and tank you

[placid fiber]

What? I've literally had a duo boon offered before either right at the end of the 2nd area or somewhere in the 3rd area earliest... and they just offered me the 1 boon I actually wanted, on the 1st room on the 2nd floor...

This feels like a trap now lol

[broken walrus]

Smoldering Air is nutty, depending on your Call of course, but its pretty good DPS if you remember to use it

[placid fiber]

They also offered me uh parting shot, but, dude the 1 boon I actually wanted(I have no opinion about parting shot, right now)

[signal spoke]

"Now sayh thank youw"

[placid fiber]

I am too busy being in shock, right now. I will do it after I get my ass handed to me by this miniboss

[full nebula]

Do the roar

[open echo]

@copper hawk does relic blade need wrath?, i was told that its terrible without it, and also should it take cara + unyeilding orrr?

just curious :3

[placid fiber]

I also have aphrodite's aid as well... I can absolutely bully bosses now lol

[full nebula]

Do the roar

[formal umbra]

Do the roar

[full nebula]

NO

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/roar-cat-cute-chibi-kawaii-gif-16495840

[tranquil owl]

Real and true tbh

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-roar-angry-mad-roaring-gif-22029339

[broken walrus]

@placid fiber Oh yeah, Hades just stares are you the whole fight with that call and Smoldering air

[placid fiber]

Uh... not exactly, since it only lasts like 1.2 seconds on him... but yeah you can bully tf out of him with this combo

[clever swan]

day 10 of hades chat

[placid fiber]

I've interrupted his omega laser in phase 2 like... 5 times in 1 fight once iirc

[formal umbra]

day 1 of balatro chat

[clever swan]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-speech-bubble-speech-discord-gif-25192162

[broken walrus]

Yeah just interrupt all his attacks. FYI doesnt interrupt his healing tho

[placid fiber]

Oh is that the em3 or w/e hades phase 3 where he heals? >.>

I haven't even turned on the upgraded bosses once yet

I am not past heat like... 7 or 8

[broken walrus]

I think he heals before Em4, where he breaks his jars and gains hp, but I havent played without EM4 in awhile

[placid fiber]

I am scared of 3 phase hades

I saw someone doing a high heat run where they had to fight that... they knew what they were doing and didn't have my issue where I can just not see stuff(enemies/projectiles/hazards/etc)... x.x

[spare burrow]

does swift certainty make you unhittable by ranged attacks or just count as a dodge for dodge mechanic sake

[broken walrus]

EM4 is scary if you are low on revives, but really phase 3 is about the same as phase 2, just a little darker

IMO phase 1 is the hardest cuz he summons mooks which can get annoying

[placid fiber]

wow I took the 2 random boon upgrades and it upgraded the 1 boon I wanted(divine strike from common to rare) and it also gave me a piece of candy when it upgraded swift strike from common to rare as well. :3

I like eurydice.

Most of the time I don't have very many boons that can be upgraded by the time I get to her, so I took the boon upgrade thing out of instinct

Now I am going to get no hammers the rest of the run, all the omega hazards, and tons of giant rats and satyrs in the last area.... I feel it in my bones

the satyr spear throwers are the ones that get me fucked up sometimes in the tunnels, that poison stacking is rough

[broken walrus]

FYI you are guarnteed to be offered two Hammers through the run. The game will try very hard to give you two even if you dont pick the hammer rooms

[placid fiber]

Oh is that how I've seen it in the shop once or twice, by now?

[broken walrus]

Yup, if you ignore the rooms, it will give it to you in shops

[placid fiber]

I almost never ignore a hammer room... if they game offers you hammer you accept the loss of the duo room with the 2 gods you need for your run to succeed....

Hammer and Hermes are the 2 I have at a higher priority in my head >.>

[plucky gate]

pretty sure hermes is also the same in that regard

game will just give you hermes in the next room

[placid fiber]

Herms has a chance to give you: free dodge, free gold per room(great early in the run), free attack/special speed, dodge on call useage, and extra dodges... Hermes can make or break a run >.>

oh and call regen/movement speed

[tropic garnet]

60% Ammo.. Ehr I dunno

[placid fiber]

The sprint is bad for me, I learned that the one time I took it. I went from spending some time in the lava from sprinting into the lava and being in it like 4x more often >.>'

[obtuse stirrup]

I think you want to dump Mobility.

Ammo is important on Flamer (and tbh most guns)

[fleet zealot]

damage

[tropic garnet]

I know about it, but sometimes I'm like "ehr let's still try it"

[broken walrus]

Flamer is one of the rare times you want to dump damage. The damage all omes from the burn

[fleet zealot]

flamer is the only weapon to dump damage

[tropic garnet]

When it's only ammo, it's just management of a ressource

[signal spoke]

Dump all stats to just one

[placid fiber]

You want damage to be the 60% stat, it only increases the flamers dps by ~1... from 60% to 80% for the damage

[tropic garnet]

Why would you dump damage on a weapon ?

Oh

[obtuse stirrup]

Yeah, actually probably better to dump damage yeah

Flamer is slow as fuck

[fleet zealot]

damage only affects flamer direct hit, difference from 60 to 80 is only 1 damage

[obtuse stirrup]

So a little extra mobility will probably actually make a difference

[fleet zealot]

burn is where all the damage flamer comes from

[placid fiber]

cause 99.99999% of it's damage comes from the burn stat(which caps at 76%, technically)

[tropic garnet]

...........................

[misty nova]

Real
That being said
Flamer is indeed the only weapon that dumps damage

💀

[tropic garnet]

Why the ahh is Fatshark making weapons where its 'dumb to max the damn stat

[placid fiber]

The flamer is the one weapon we dump damage on for the meta afaik

[fleet zealot]

yea purge staff dumps warp res

[obtuse stirrup]

I think it's healthy that at least one weapon has damage as a dump

It shows a greater breadth of weapon design

And there's also a lot of weapons where Damage is like the tertiary stat (although in the current meta that still means you set it to 80 anyway)

[placid fiber]

Most weapons make use of the damage stat >.>

idk about specific 80% damage breakpoints on any weapons besides the mk4 dueling sword with 25% flak, 80% damage, 80% pen, and 80% finesse... which can kill a scab stalker, iirc, in 3 light headshots(without any other buffs)

iirc cole said it was 2 damage for the overkill

[obtuse stirrup]

Sometimes you want something like Finesse and First Target more even than you want Damage; (but that said in those cases you still also want Damage at 80 anyway)

It was more of a thing to think about in the 380 meta rather than the 500 meta.

[placid fiber]

I mean... for high end content you don't want to choose between having damage higher or first target, you generally want your stats to be almost perfect or close <.<

[obtuse stirrup]

These days yes

[placid fiber]

Back in the day yeah

[obtuse stirrup]

A year ago, you kinda had to deal with the best imperfect mess the game could give you

[placid fiber]

when we had much harder god rolls to come by

[obtuse stirrup]

I'm right but I'm also not talking about anything that's particularly relevant now lol

[placid fiber]

I know, I've been darktiding since the end of november of 2022. :3

[obtuse stirrup]

Man, remember before talent trees existed

[placid fiber]

Remember when we had space hounds?

I miss space hounds...

[obtuse stirrup]

You still get them sometimes!

[tranquil owl]

When they said they'd release new characters?

[obtuse stirrup]

I nailed one with a chain axe heavy and it got lobbed out of the map

[tranquil owl]

And then opted for new "classes" via talent tree system

[obtuse stirrup]

Honestly I never really cared about that particular promise - I'm happier upgrading from VT style talents to the new ones than I think I would have been with a single new class

[north sedge]

yea they overdelivered if anything

[placid fiber]

Not like we used to, where they almost probably reached the top of the map itself

[obtuse stirrup]

The talent update turned Darktide from a good horde shooter to the actual absolute best there has ever been imo (although not the best relative to the state of the art at the time - it's hard to match the leap that Left 4 Dead 1 + 2 made)

[clever swan]

this channel has never been the same since this comment #zealot-class message (first hades comment this motnh and clearly related to this current trend)

[tranquil owl]

And honestly i agree, I just think they should have been realistic to begin with instead of getting an whole community hyped and then drop the big unfortunate on them

[placid fiber]

True, it has gone down hill at an exponential rate since then...

[tranquil owl]

Because even if we had like 8 total characters to play as, there's no guarantee that one character wouldn't just be a better version of an older character

As unfortunate as it sounds I feel like this is all too common a scenario

[obtuse stirrup]

Yep. Adding more depth and choice to the existing ones and properly fleshing them out, as imperfect as the talent trees are, is by far the better way. Now they just need to release some maps a bit faster :D

[placid fiber]

cough ... I have 4 zeaots, 2 ogryns, 1 psyker, and 1 veteran... cuz the extra loadouts mod gave a free +3 character slots... and I used em cuz why tf not? <.<

[obtuse stirrup]

Man that extra loadout mod needs to be part of the basic game

5 slots was just about ok before they started to make all the new stuff

[copper hawk]

Flak and unyielding/cara I think

Only take wrath vs moebians or on havoc

Otherwise it's not needed

[visual stream]

I do flak/cara perconally

Lumii called me slurs for being the first flak/cara hoper

[frosty herald]

elites unyielding relic blade

[modern lintel]

wraith is only need if you plan on doing havok 30 and up other wise id say rampage

[placid fiber]

It's the 1st that must die on the hill for the cause, for a just cause is worth even death itself.

[frosty herald]

wrath*

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laughing-don't-laugh-don'tlaugh-ishowspeed-laughing-gif-15284676702826611657

[modern lintel]

you're going on the list

[frosty herald]

drone strike imminent

[placid fiber]

Who, me? Cuz I belong on a list... :\

[clever swan]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-screenshot-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-satoru-gojo-nah-id-win-gif-4087154782000543513

isnt it painfully obvious they're talking to yamato what with the comment that quotes he himself being right above his comment AND the comment being one that justifies a drone strike list having a new entry

[placid fiber]

It is, I wasn't serious.

[clever swan]

it's ogre

[open echo]

howcome flak?, but yeh, i was told that clearing hordes without wrath was painful lol

[placid fiber]

Yep you screenshotted my attempt at a joke... good job...

[open echo]

ah

[clever swan]

woah bro dont gotta get all ellipses on me.........

[copper hawk]

Bruiser breakpoints

Wrath just lets you cleave less shit

More*

Ur spreading less butter ovet a lot of bread w wrath

[clever swan]

they should add a blessing called wraith to fuck our shit up

[copper hawk]

W rampage ur spreading more butter over a little more bread

Wrath just helps w hitmass issues in havoc or moebians

U r constantly using powered mode right

In normal gameplay this is more than enough

[fleet zealot]

rampage energy leakage = butter maxing

who needs bread

i'm a red blooded american

[clever swan]

me when i sometimes dont powered mode cuz left click spamming with it is kinda strong w/ animation canceling

[copper hawk]

Make sure u use scourge if ur not already using it

When u use Wrath

Wrath doesnt do any damage, it just increases cleave

So idk who told u about the horde clear thing

I guess technically u could make the stretch that ur hitting more things therefore clearing hordes better.. but in normal and pre 30 havoc ur cleave dmg drop off is massive

[fleet zealot]

i mean

[copper hawk]

So u get diminishing returns

[fleet zealot]

it kinda helps in those high havoc situations, relic does have above average minimum damage while charged

it's kinda nice?

[upper tiger]

5th game in a row ive been kicked for using the thunderhammer

[copper hawk]

That's what i just said bandit u noobe

[upper tiger]

that weapon is cursed

[copper hawk]

Stinky lil polecat

[clever swan]

i dont think ive ever been kicked

[copper hawk]

Ferrets r SMELLY

[clever swan]

even at my worst.......................(sl-)

[copper hawk]

Who tf kicks a thammer user

[clever swan]

it's probably something else if it's 5 times

IN A ROW

[copper hawk]

I was almost kicked by two guys cuz of my voice

[plush estuary]

I know a few

[copper hawk]

Id understand more if u wanted to kick a ds user

Thammer is just so inoffensive

Like kicking someone for running evis xv w bloodthirsty lol

[upper tiger]

One shot a weakend boss --> get told i have small [REDACTED BY ORDER OF INQUISITION] energy for it --> Teammates shoot barrels im near on purpose --> I get kicked

[copper hawk]

Report them so u dont have to play w them again

Any1 who kicks thammer users r paint chip consumers

Or they're a hold S acolyte (chaotic evil)

[upper tiger]

man i just wanna use funny bonk hammer

[copper hawk]

I think the only wpns i hate

R plamma and ds

And purg

If i see these i just leave

No need 4 kickz ,,

[copper hawk]

If u sh me ur a freak

I live rent free in ur moldy head

And it's TROO

U stinkz at chiv 2 ,,

:3

[modern lintel]

i used to be him many moons ago

[copper hawk]

Ur voice 2 deep

[modern lintel]

not he him you goblin

[copper hawk]

U were NEVAR Him

Im Him..

[modern lintel]

ill kill you

[copper hawk]

I sweep at chiv 2..

U will kill NATHING

I 1v1 u as archer and sweep..

W a CLUBBE

[modern lintel]

ur not that guy

[copper hawk]

Me consumin ur corpse

✨️

[modern lintel]

evil

im relentless assaulted by the homos everywhere i go

[clever swan]

actual guy who is He/Him: https://vndb.org/c1163

[mighty root]

Ok real I am

[potent atlas]

sapiens or sexuals?

[modern lintel]

a double edged sword

[upper tiger]

Survey says both

[sullen forge]

Either way you’ve dug yourself into this hole

🚬

[modern lintel]

i think ill eat popcorn for breakfast

[clever swan]

could be worse, at least corn is a vegetable

[hard nexus]

you can just block them

u don’t have to report them

[remote wasp]

play shock maul

[modern lintel]

unwise

[sullen forge]

@frosty herald

[hard nexus]

LMAO

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-conquest-conquest-invincible-heart-making-heart-gif-14627764842539823182

[sullen forge]

“Wait nvm I’m gonna be late”

LMAO

[visual stream]

I can see if someone kicked thammer in high havoc

But I'm guessing you mean auric

Which makes no sense

I guess they REALLY like the bosses to be bullet sponges

[frosty herald]

ironhelm doesnt need to worry about hitmass in havoc

[sullen forge]

Anyone playing monstrous maelstrom

[frosty herald]

mohawk mark is the biggest hypocrit imaginable

[open echo]

i see, how much does unyeilding/cara change? (also i was told mk2 is just better lmao) mkx is very fun :3

also goober

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204540553971372072/1337110896920756296/RDT_20241118_2201016645429803181321652-1.gif

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stupid-slobber-the-bluetooth-device-is-ready-to-pair-gif-17323072743601828847

[open echo]

isdiiot

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/slurp-cat-cute-cat-minecraft-minecraft-memes-gif-26980187

[copper hawk]

I meant that they kicked him 4 a stupid reason

He should report them anyways

[copper hawk]

10 is a better generalist

2 does a little better at single target

10 is generally better

Idk about unyielding cara cuz i run flak cara

[formal umbra]

Run mk2 otherwise the mk x will turn your brain to mush with light spam

Unless you like light spamming (like me)

[tranquil saddle]

im so lonely

[frosty herald]

You do not wanna hear a grown man 7,2 500 lbs whispering that into your ear

[modern lintel]

noob

[bitter anvil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080135126920462476/1350903365776703589/IMG_3701.jpg?ex=67d86e4c&is=67d71ccc&hm=2d681f921011052594558fcfbff0a9aeef6acd9dc583f6be686322b465d1294b&

[broken walrus]

@frosty herald dont kink shame me

[tranquil saddle]

Instead of conquest he shoukd be named freakeust

For being so freaky

[copper hawk]

Wtf is blud yappin about

[frosty herald]

Ohh im conquesting it ooo im conquesting it mark

[formal umbra]

dumb frogposter

[tranquil saddle]

I’m so lonely unzips

[hard nexus]

mk2 isn’t explicitly better but i think it is

mk10 is brain off gameplay

light spam everything

sometimes spring thrust for ogryns

but u don’t really have to

mk2 is slightly more complex

(horde clear is H2 L3)

[fleet zealot]

wokehammer

[formal umbra]

And it has the uppercut.

[frosty herald]

mk2 is if you actualy want to engage with the gameplay

[formal umbra]

For maximum uppercut value, install the super impact mod.

[frosty herald]

cica eat dirth

you worm

you underground cave being

[formal umbra]

I find the mark X engaging but that's because I'm a lobotomite

[median steeple]

Tness

Gotta get that t up

[copper hawk]

Dirth