zealot-class

[clever swan]

like come on

[grizzled aspen]

There's a lot of utter fucking garbage anime though.

Most of it is isekais.

[pale spindle]

I have no problem of artistic representation being a reflection of culture and leasons in life, but it isn't an outlet for you to justify giving up

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/weirdcat-funnycat-psychich-assault-gif-66649479801514757

[clever swan]

no one ever said to give up wtf

that's some ridiculous strawman

[acoustic dune]

i dont read that MUCH of isekai

so i dont go to the isekai section

[clever swan]

isekai can be good as hell, (sadly?)

[grizzled aspen]

If the character has:

op skills
harem trope
love triangle that makes no sense
things happen too conveniently
It's probably a shit show.

[acoustic dune]

i personally perfer drama comdy

[pale spindle]

there is no "fictional world" there is only reality

you can't escape it

that is literally the beginning and the end of what I have been saying this whole time

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/snail-chan-snail-house-nod-yes-yeah-gif-15997076

[grizzled aspen]

Be a man, watch something like Assassination Classroom and weep at the end.

[clever swan]

that's why it's called a fictional world. it does not exist. that's literally baked into the concept

[acoustic dune]

SNAIL HOUSE

YEAHHH

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/ujico-snail-gif-22237971

[clever swan]

if you want to focus your conversation on giving up and the actions of those in the living world then recognizing the superiority of a fictional world can help you recognize the problems that need to be addressed NOW.

[grizzled aspen]

Anywho I have no clue what you two are at each others throats about anymore and frankly neither of your points make any sense.

:)

[clever swan]

it isnt wholly without value and it doesnt require you to join a death cult

[pale spindle]

what if the stories or art we create are just reflections of reality?

[clever swan]

WHAT THE FUCK?

[pale spindle]

I know crazy

[clever swan]

stories need to be a "reflection of reality"

what does that even fucking mean

state mandated realism in anime

[acoustic dune]

theres a manga that i read that i quite enjoy where the mc got isekai but before he wanter to survive a nuke

great shit

[frozen crystal]

This is the most hilariously stupid argument I have seen

[acoustic dune]

from what i remenber at the least

[clever swan]

it's stupid as hell cuz the way the argument would end is by saying "yeah, fictional worlds can be better. but obviously we shouldnt let that make us give up on this world." literal anime quote or some shit

[acoustic dune]

nowhere else then zealot chat

[frozen crystal]

⬆️

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-stoopid-cat-game-vr-gif-10800356129691145186

[grizzled aspen]

It wouldn't be #zealot-class if a stupid fuckin argument wasn't taking place.

[clever swan]

instead of going "the suffering of the heroine addicts is proof that the real world is worth living in, somehow"

[pale spindle]

pls get me out of this convo Ill pay u

[delicate shadow]

yeah horde mode is kinda different imo since it's a different take on the usual formula whereas Havoc really is just glock and gall torture mode with a ladder to climb

I appreciate havoc for creating more emphasis on coordination and actually adding a degree of challenge but it's also like...eh it's not the kind of thing I'd have cared for over pretty much any given alternate method of achieving the same thing, even just like an Auric+ that adds havoc scaling and some modifiers into rotation

[median steeple]

No

I enjoy this

[grizzled aspen]

Step 1, stop typing.

[pale spindle]

Dam 😔

[grizzled aspen]

Like the little person on the other end can't bother you if you stop responding to them.

[clever swan]

orcka if you could choose to instantly transport everyone in the world, with no real problems (facilitated transition to the new life, perhaps), to a fictional world that is basically just real life but everyone regenerates and doesnt get severe diseases or something good like that

would you do it? @pale spindle

i imagine the response will be "but that isnt real" or something

[acoustic dune]

argument for with and against
story are great when you can relate to it
doesnt mean it need to reflect reality

[grizzled aspen]

(I'm not taking sides I just find this "argument" [if you can even call it that] to be utterly dumb and I wish you'd both stop engaging each other)

[pale spindle]

true, I can't really handle online people well 😔

[clever swan]

it's basically over with the question i just asked

he knows he has to answer that he'd go to the fictional world

[grizzled aspen]

Redditor...

[clever swan]

owari da...

[pale spindle]

LMAO

[grizzled aspen]

Downvotes you...

[delicate shadow]

I have no idea wtf y'all are arguing about but to get pedantic, technically all art and stories are reflections of our reality in some fashion because all ideas are borne of it ☝️ 🤓

[acoustic dune]

isekai are a trend for a reason
people just want to watch stuff for muktiple reason let bro enjoy

[pale spindle]

guys I gotta put a tally on my "arguments won" chart 😏

[grizzled aspen]

"Erm it's over I clearly win!" ☝️ 🤓

[clever swan]

yeah, that's technically true. even the most absurd magic isnt totally unreal. something unreal in our perceived reality would be like a 4d object

[acoustic dune]

smth smth theres nothing truly original

[grizzled aspen]

Nothing is original under the sun.

[delicate shadow]

and that's ok!

[pale spindle]

yeah I literally said this from the beginning

[grizzled aspen]

You repeat this to yourself over and over again when looking at modern firearms btw.

Every modern belt fed is just the mg42 inside.

[acoustic dune]

i doubt that

[clever swan]

the argument is actually wild. orcka is basically saying that fictional worlds cant be better than the real world. though actually what he's saying is more like that fictional worlds arent real so we might as well cope and accept the real world, which sorta totally sidesteps the point he made about 2d worlds or something

[acoustic dune]

then agian

[delicate shadow]

hey guys I invented a 100% original jet plane (it can't fly, and it liquifies all occupants)

[acoustic dune]

i hate philosophy

[pale spindle]

this isn't even philosophy 💀

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[clever swan]

"Nah bruh I can't take weebs and their "2D is better than 3D" shit
Every morning I walk out of my apartment and I see people freezing to death trying to sleep on a cardboard cutt out
Yall don't know how precious life is"

the core of the argument, basically

[grizzled aspen]

I wish we could go back to the good old days of firearms innovation before we hit the ceiling, for lack of a better term.

People were out there making some crazy shit.

[clever swan]

wait until they make firearms 2

[grizzled aspen]

[clever swan]

also this is quite literally a philosophical discussion cuz philosophy is defined as "the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline."

which is actually exactly what we're talking about

[acoustic dune]

everything is philosophy at this point
i just go with the docterine of ''anything can and is art''

[formal umbra]

Yeah even if you don't like it that doesn't make it not art

[acoustic dune]

tldr isekai is a guilty pleasure

[pale spindle]

ur mom is philosophy

[grizzled aspen]

Seriously though go look up the bren machine gun and tell me that thing isn't hilarious to look at when you can understand it.

[formal umbra]

I sure as shit hate isekai but it's art still

[delicate shadow]

I mean fictional worlds can obviously be better™️ than the real, that's like the entire point of a third of the fiction out there, the other 2 thirds being worlds that are an alternative mirror/parable to our own and worlds that are abject hellscapes to delve into the absolute worst of humanity and the way we survive and fall

[fringe bay]

What like the japanese perfecting matchlock technology

[acoustic dune]

people forget that being art doesnt mean its good

like wow that thing is art

but goddamn that is very shit

[grizzled aspen]

"We can't get this gun to feed."
rips a lung collapsing pull off a blunt
"Put the mag on upside down."

[clever swan]

also not all lives (lives in the sense of lived experiences, the life you live) are actually precious. some are actually uhhhh really....REALLY bad

and even some people's lives themselves (in the sense of their existence, their being alive) arent that precious since they're evil or something

[grizzled aspen]

No, like Mikael Kalashnikov (i think i spelled his name right, im very tired) made the most durable rifle with as few moving parts as possible on the planet and we never went up from there with durability and less moving parts.

[acoustic dune]

are life are equal
except the one i love

[frozen crystal]

Whatever happened to that gun with an attached camera that can turn and shoot around corners

[acoustic dune]

i love them more

[acoustic dune]

i kinda wanna see a gun with a search light

fuck flashbang

[clever swan]

maybe just an option that special force teams can use if they think they'd be able to use it. probably not too practical most of the time, but who knows

[pale spindle]

the point I was making is that weebs don't know how bad it can really get, if they think "2D is better than 3D" or whatever they want to believe

and don't know how fortunate they actually have it, that they can use art and stories to inspire them

[grizzled aspen]

Not practical, camera is easily damaged or unaligned from the barrel so it's inaccurate, the equipment itself is unholy expensive, so on and so forth.

[delicate shadow]

technology peaked at the madsen gun

[clever swan]

if weebs dont understand how bad it can really get then wouldnt they, upon learning about bad it really is, hate reality even MORE?

[delicate shadow]

I love that fuckin' danish mad science lmg

[pale spindle]

what?

[grizzled aspen]

The bren is basically the same gun.

[pale spindle]

nah forget it, I can't

[grizzled aspen]

The mag is on top with both of them.

[acoustic dune]

thats it i am going to get that otaku document

[delicate shadow]

no, no it isn't

they have entirely different operating mechanisms lol

the bren is wayyy simpler

[grizzled aspen]

(I actually am talking out my ass on this, my ww1 firearms knowledge is severely lacking)

[pale spindle]

yo show me

i want to see

[clever swan]

you're saying weebs don't know how bad it can really get (questionable). how would learning how bad life really is make them more willing to embrace life/reality?

[delicate shadow]

legit pull up the forgotten weapons video on the madsen gun, the operating mechanism is bonkers

they also made a belt fed version that's even more insane, though i don't think that one ever saw adoption anywhere

[grizzled aspen]

THEY WHAT

Ok, this, I gotta see.

[clever swan]

the logical conclusion when you learn just how bad the real world is is that you want everyone to be saved, not that you're just like "omg i love reality now"

[grizzled aspen]

It's tickling my brain.

[delicate shadow]

meanwhile the OG madsen guns still see use by like, brazilian police

[fringe bay]

Because the ak literally has the most basic set of parts required for a functioning assault rifle

[misty nova]

💀 😭

[acoustic dune]

@pale spindle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g938xylxEns

iz nice

[grizzled aspen]

The gun nerd in me wants to reach through my phone and slap you, "assault rifles" aren't real.

[acoustic dune]

bullpup

[delicate shadow]

(most gun classifications are kinda horseshit and subjective, much like sword classifications)

[grizzled aspen]

What do bullpups have to do with this?

[grizzled aspen]

No, not really.

[acoustic dune]

darn foiled again

[grizzled aspen]

You only get into dumb shit when dealing with the atf and their classification of what is and isn't a firearm or a felony.

[fringe bay]

Sub machine guns are such a vague catagory

[clever swan]

classifications are a little bit like that sometimes

like genres

[grizzled aspen]

No they aren't lmao.

[acoustic dune]

but yeah i am predicting that bullpop would be the future of firearm

more compact and all that

[grizzled aspen]

machine gun
subsonic ammo
Congratulations, you have a submachinegun.

[clever swan]

bullpup semi-auto (or full auto if legal) shotgun. best home defense gun. PROVE ME WRONG

[delicate shadow]

that's not how that classification works

[acoustic dune]

mg

[delicate shadow]

WW2 submachineguns were not using subsonics

[clever swan]

shotguns are better at close quarters

[delicate shadow]

unless you were in special forces and using a suppressor

[acoustic dune]

mg with proximity fuse

[delicate shadow]

but standard military 9mm loads are supersonic

[fringe bay]

A sub machine gun is a carbine that fires handgun cartridges

[acoustic dune]

that or a canon with scatter shot

[full nebula]

Just had to clutch thrice on monstrous specials

[acoustic dune]

grape shot

sorry

[grizzled aspen]

Define "handgun cartridges." (this is funny)

[clever swan]

a pro strat for home defense though is to have your walls made transparent in some way shape or form so you can wallbang (in a custom counter strike map, hypothetically) and your assailant will literally have no idea

[acoustic dune]

a one way mirror

[grizzled aspen]

(most people say "can be fired from a pistol" and then I refer them to the .500 S&W)

[acoustic dune]

or a glass house?

[fringe bay]

Small calibers, 9mm, .22, .45 acp

[acoustic dune]

you know how tank have a tiny hole for shotgun shell?

you could do that

see them

[delicate shadow]

and things get even murkier when you start looking into SMGs vs PCCs vs PDWs

[clever swan]

maybe something like the wall has a built in thinnish horizontal glass or empty space that lets you see through but is somewhat hard to detect if you dont know it's there

[acoustic dune]

place the shotgun shell to the wall hole

shoot it

[grizzled aspen]

Pro strategy is racking a shotgun will make people shit their britches and get out of your house.

Then, if they don't, cast alakablam with birdshot.

Then they get to pick 50 birdshot pellets out of their legs.

:)

[delicate shadow]

and LMGs vs SAWs vs "Automatic Rifles"

[full nebula]

Best thing for home defense is a shotgun, pistols are harder to hit with under pressure unless you're practiced

[fringe bay]

And also they pierce walls

[full nebula]

And you don't want pass through on walls

[grizzled aspen]

I uh... still can't really define the clear difference between an lmg and a saw.

[full nebula]

Yep

[acoustic dune]

or

[fringe bay]

Overpen is a huge problem for home defense

[acoustic dune]

just come down with these on

and pull down the gate

[full nebula]

Unfortunately there aren't a lot of great options, basically use bird shot and try to aim center mass I guess lol

[acoustic dune]

you could alwayas home alone

or electrify them

[clever swan]

can you though? are traps allowed?

[fringe bay]

Nah just use a harpoon rifle

[acoustic dune]

or dead man switch

[acoustic dune]

are you insane?
just use a net gun

[full nebula]

In the US anyway you cant set booby traps

[grizzled aspen]

Not center mass with birdshot. You aren't looking to kill them.

Aim for their legs instead.

[full nebula]

Yes you are

No

[fringe bay]

Killing a home invader is still bad

[acoustic dune]

saiga with bird shot

or

[full nebula]

Ask the police and most will tell you it's better to have one story

[clever swan]

somewhat depends on who they are but you dont know who they are and if they're armed then they're truly asking for it

das it, that's the entire argument about shooting assailants in your home in a nutshell

[grizzled aspen]

I say you don't aim center mass with birdshot because you are clearly not trying to kill them with it. If you are wanting to kill a home invader just use buckshot.

Though, prepare to mop for a while.

[grizzled aspen]

Gonna make a mess doing that.

[full nebula]

Just depends where you live. Some states you can blow someone away for just breaking into your house

[formal umbra]

I wish I could live the life where I fantasize about someone breaking into my house to kill me and my family

[acoustic dune]

just use one of theses

a bird hunting anti air canon

[grizzled aspen]

Woe, castle doctrine be upon home invaders.

[frozen crystal]

Ahem. Texas

[clever swan]

i live the life where i fantasize about saving people instead

it's scary what gun owners can do, how they can take so much from people. they're a dangerous thing

[formal umbra]

Because I'm not a fucking psychopath

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[fringe bay]

FREEEEEEDOOOOM 🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[acoustic dune]

you cana always go blunt melee

[full nebula]

Unfortuately if you live in the states and you just maime someone theres a good chance they can sue you afterward

and the land of the freeeee

[clever swan]

all ill say is japan doesnt have guns like this and is a way safer nation. america's culture is almost fundamentally flawed in this way

[acoustic dune]

get yourself a suit of armor

[formal umbra]

I like guns just don't be an insane person

[clever swan]

i think that's how you die

[fringe bay]

I like shooting ranges, but yeah guns are wayyy too easy to get here

It’d be better if they were outlawed

[acoustic dune]

comparing america to any other country is like comparing garbage with pizza

[full nebula]

Japan is a specific case beacause they still have such a conservative culture, crime and whatnot isn't really in the culture other than yakuza and obvious organized crime thats anywhere. Not a ton of crazy shit going on outside of that

[grizzled aspen]

Bait used to be believable.

[full nebula]

Almost no access to firearms helps too of course

[acoustic dune]

just wear one of these

[fringe bay]

American power rangers

[grizzled aspen]

Walmart EOD suit.

[acoustic dune]

abd use this

[clever swan]

i think it's better to say that america is a specific case. it's got more guns than people and the gun crime rate is high as a result

[acoustic dune]

now go get them heister

[grizzled aspen]

Fun fact about armor! You can definitely stop bullets and blades from piercing, but that's not gonna stop their kinetic energy from breaking your bones!

[delicate shadow]

look at the end of the day the best defense is to just invade your own home first so no one else can get to it

[fringe bay]

Yeah it’s why ballistic masks suck

[full nebula]

The problem isn't the guns, its the billion things surrounding it

[delicate shadow]

can't get robbed if you rob yourself, it's just math

[grizzled aspen]

Just say you know nothing about gun control, smh.

[acoustic dune]

just do like the old time and wear a exo skeleton

as in splinters

gonna keep you right up

[fringe bay]

Anti hunchback it

[acoustic dune]

wear a corset

[grizzled aspen]

Gun crime stems from violent crime. Look at countries with strict gun control. They still have significant violent crime.

Another thing, there are WAYYYY more deaths caused by other, much more easily preventable things than being shot in the U.S., like heart attacks induced by diabetes.

[pale spindle]

wait I leave for 15 minutes and we already talking about gun control 💀

[clever swan]

the guns themselves are part of a feedback loop. yeah, it's mostly cultural, but the guns are both a symptom of the cause (individualist culture and being a capitalist-captured nation, or something) and a cause of problems too. guns change how people (and police) interact with each other and how crimes play out

[fringe bay]

Might as well suffocate yourself while you’re at it

[grizzled aspen]

Happens when somebody that knows nothing offers their ignorant 2 cents. 🚬

[clever swan]

what's the criticism you have frog? quote me

[grizzled aspen]

"More guns than people means high gun crime rate."

[sterile stone]

Looks almost like S.O.R.T. gear

[clever swan]

i mean yeah, that's how it works when you have lots of a tool, it gets used

it's especially useful as a tool for crimes

[grizzled aspen]

Do me a favor and look up the states with the lowest gun crime and then look at their state policies on gun control.

[acoustic dune]

nah i perfer cloacker outfit more

[sterile stone]

[clever swan]

gun control doesnt work in a nation where you can just drive to the next state over, guns get into the cities like hot cakes

[sterile stone]

What...

[grizzled aspen]

Now this is an intelligent statement.

[pale spindle]

yeah gun control "debates" literally just go into the abyss 💀

There is a very specific reason why the gun control issue exists in the first place within the context of the US

[sterile stone]

Gun control also doesn't really work when there's people that can make guns out of crude materials via welding...

I think it was Brazil

[acoustic dune]

omg

[grizzled aspen]

^

[clever swan]

yeah you can generate guns out of pipes n shit if you want

[acoustic dune]

its the fucking taser armor

[clever swan]

not very good guns usually, but perhaps you could if you try hard enough

[grizzled aspen]

I can literally slam 2 pipes together of slightly different diameters to make a shotgun.

[sterile stone]

The cops seized a full auto pistol that was just a pipe and sheet metal...

[placid fiber]

Ah yes when you beat hades and it says you die(because u won and that's how hades 1 does it) to something stupidl like "stepping on a toxic strain of mushroom"...

[grizzled aspen]

It is not difficult in the slightest.

[opaque island]

GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE,

[acoustic dune]

best example is the have sex guy

[sterile stone]

What

[pale spindle]

here ill give yall a hint, the NRA the association that is supposed to represent the baring of arms, took the guns away of who after the civil war? 🤔

[grizzled aspen]

Shinzo Abe was assassinated with a jury rigged pipe shotgun.

[clever swan]

yes, taking away people's murder tools can obviously be used to stop the spread of revolutions and rebellion against sentiments that harm the people

but uh...what's funny about that is that IT DIDN'T WORK because america is the most capitalist-captured nation on the planet

[acoustic dune]

rip

[bitter anvil]

“I got dlc right here”

[grizzled aspen]

I dont think you understand people are going to kill each other anyway.

Removing firearms doesn't change that.

[clever swan]

we have all these guns but we have the worst country

[acoustic dune]

i call this a difficulty tweak

[grizzled aspen]

If not a gun, a knife. If not a knife, brass knuckles. If not those, my hands, or the environment.

[opaque island]

🍿

[delicate shadow]

mfs will make sweeping statements on gun control like as if it's a monolith, also stop making me break rule 11 smh

[clever swan]

re:zero reference??

[bitter anvil]

I brought payday 3 base game

[grizzled aspen]

If somebody wants somebody dead, they'll make it happen.

[bitter anvil]

But I can’t afford their dlc

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-meme-face-chips-cat-eating-gif-15310179217102583800

[opaque island]

its the doorframe problem

[clever swan]

yeah obviously. but guns make it far easier. it's a tool. it's like if no one had hammers or similar tools. it'd be way harder to put houses together but they'd still do it

[opaque island]

if someone really wants to get into your house, they will

[grizzled aspen]

Teehee oopsies...

[clever swan]

guns are like ranged knives

[delicate shadow]

tknives moment

[clever swan]

that hit like 10x harder

if not far more

[delicate shadow]

assail moment

[acoustic dune]

i rig my door to collapse

[grizzled aspen]

Anyway to prevent myself from getting shot by a mod I will stop talking on the subject.

[acoustic dune]

hence trapping me inside

and keeping my enemy outside

[bitter anvil]

They are sling shot on steroid

[opaque island]

what are your walls made of?

[delicate shadow]

to get away from the political side of it tho

[acoustic dune]

actually make me think of that one 4chan post

[grizzled aspen]

My final thought is please read up on the subject a little more and change your opinion from "guns bad" to something a bit more intelligent.

[acoustic dune]

lemme go find it

[delicate shadow]

guns are awesome as pieces of mechanical engineering

[clever swan]

guns are a cool tool, they can be useful. the problem really is mostly cultural. but there is a degree to which guns themselves can cause problems. that's what i said and im sticking to it

[acoustic dune]

nothing compare to a good ak

[delicate shadow]

and also the history of firearms is interesting

[grizzled aspen]

"No matter how big he be, or how small I be, it matters not, for I shall Equalize." (paraphrasing)

[delicate shadow]

ehhhh AKs are super dated they just have a lot of staying power because they were so prolific and still work

[sterile stone]

He says this as theres some backwater redneck attatching sawblades to a crossbow

[acoustic dune]

also shrimple

[grizzled aspen]

I mean, the ar platform is extremely versatile.

I can run a 9inch barrel with 9mm lmao.

[full nebula]

They should start using potato guns on the frontlines in ukraine

[grizzled aspen]

And then turn around with the same platform and run .300 whisper with a 24inch barrel.

[delicate shadow]

ok people keep saying this but AKs are NOT simple, they're simple in terms of how they work and their usage but they're actually pretty fuckin complicated to put together properly

they're hard to build

[grizzled aspen]

Brother, it's four moving parts.

[clever swan]

the bulldog from bf4 seems like it'd be a goated gun irl but it's probably not

[grizzled aspen]

It's harder to gas an ak properly than it is to assemble one from a parts kit.

[delicate shadow]

PARTS kit

I'm talking manufacturing

[sterile stone]

The best two examples of guns that are amazing in video games but shit irl would be the Desert Eagle and the F2000

[grizzled aspen]

Oh, two different animals, then.

My b.

See my counterpoint is this.

[delicate shadow]

like the engineering in an AK is extensive is what I'm sayin, my bad should've clarified

[grizzled aspen]

The legendary shovel ak.

[opaque island]

thats why the gunrunners are so prevalent in fallout NV

they control the manufacturing

[grizzled aspen]

An ak that was made entirely from a shovel.

The stock is the handle.

The receiver is the head.

[delicate shadow]

fair, though my counter-counter-point would be american produced AKs were terrible for the longest time

[pale spindle]

Kalashnikov my beloved ❤️

[grizzled aspen]

True!

If only our embargo on Russian imports was lifted.

[delicate shadow]

also huge ups to Kalash, bro had no formal education in firearms manufacture at all

[acoustic dune]

this?

[clever swan]

oh the bulldog is just an m14 turned into a bullpup

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

That ak is literally built only from a shovel and basic furniture.

[acoustic dune]

tbf
its america

[grizzled aspen]

Not only has that thing been proven to fire and cycle, but its fucking automatic.

This proves the genius of the platform's design.

Actually, wait, there's no lower handguard on that thing...

[delicate shadow]

I mean the AR-15 is a great design, despite any misgivings I might have with it due to being a fuckin' hater™️ (I don't actually hate the AR)

[acoustic dune]

god i wish i have gotten into engineering if i didnt have to go to art school

(i suck at science)

[grizzled aspen]

My only problem with the ar as a platform is that .300 can be chambered into a 5.56 receiver and blow it up because range idiots think it's funny to blow up thousands of dollars of equipment and cause serious injury.

Like, you can put 5.56 through a .300 receiver and it'll run, but may be undergassed. The gun won't like it. Putting .300 anything through a 5.56 receiver is a catastrophic failure and literally detonates your receiver.

[delicate shadow]

I do get that the big feature of .300 is that you only need a barrel change to caliber convert but like...they really should've given it a different rim/base radius for safety purposes

[opaque island]

you're telling me using a thing for a thing it wasnt designed for causes it to malfunction?

[clever swan]

so what you're saying is you should buy a .300 receiver

[acoustic dune]

we should get back to the basic

and develop more on crossbow

[grizzled aspen]

No, I'm saying you should put the correct ammo through your receiver.

[hearty nebula]

sorry guys im here to just let you know

[grizzled aspen]

And if you don't I should be able to eat your liver.

[clever swan]

well yeah, but i mean the .300 is more versatile apparently

[hearty nebula]

that peak is playing rn

[delicate shadow]

you don't need a different receiver but you do need a barrel change

[hearty nebula]

ur welcome

[opaque island]

please do, then ill die from posioning faster

[grizzled aspen]

I'm like 90% sure there are different pressure tolerances based on your upper, though?

[opaque island]

what are you gun nuts opinion on this game?

[acoustic dune]

counter point
https://open.spotify.com/track/4p8zUfpyluhxdWyD8XYsks?si=0b45d4686ce94188

[hearty nebula]

sorry i have emotional attachment to the housebuilding song

[acoustic dune]

we should play minecrap togheter

[delicate shadow]

the upper isn't a pressure bearing surface in an AR-15, the pressure bearing compenents are the bolt, barrel/barrel extension and the gas system

[placid fiber]

Hm... cursed slash + maxed out zagrius sword aspect... nice

[hearty nebula]

and the only real version of black hole sun to me is soundgarden's

[grizzled aspen]

Interesting. I'm only learning like, how weapons fire, feed, etc, not learning chamber pressures and whatnot rn.

[acoustic dune]

i dont like it

[grizzled aspen]

Oh and engraving on the side.

I want to gift each of my brothers a custom engraved handgun of their choice once I get proficient enough at engraving.

[delicate shadow]

and .300 blackout isn't producing a higher pressure curve than 5.56 per se, it's just if you try to feed a .300 bullet into a .223 sized hole, the bullet won't go and you'll get a case head explosion

[grizzled aspen]

If only you could take cursed slash and breaching slash at the same time...

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/engravings-mgsv-ocelot-gif-2179792310284003129

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-snake-revolver-ocelot-engraving-gif-26456286

[sterile basalt]

are u aware of the repeating crossbow

[placid fiber]

I am honestly doing this run at 0 heat since I know all the bosses drop darkness dollery doos and I am hurting a bit after spending 1300 on some workbench upgrade... and by hurting I mean I can't have as many things active as I want...

It's like 25 or 50 a boss iirc <.<

[acoustic dune]

the only crossbow i trust is from the ''lemme show you iz feature'' guy

https://tenor.com/view/joerg-sprave-features-gif-8755025

[opaque island]

i mean that is just common sense isnt it? a .300 just ownt fit

[placid fiber]

Besides... I have been working hard at doing 1 heat level after the next(since I was also working on getting the hidden aspected unlocked yesterday afternoon/last night...)

I want a freaking chill run without me having to do op boon combos :3

[sterile basalt]

Basically ancient China was using these repeating crossbows that could be rapid fired with poison-tipped bolts

At least 200+ years BC

[delicate shadow]

yea, people should know to not try to load .300 into a 5.56 chamber

but people are dumb

[acoustic dune]

why fix what aint broke

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/cane-the-long-shoot-gif-8273781283608284542

[opaque island]

thats what scares me most about people, I KNOW im not the smartest, and yet i see so many people do dumb shit

[fringe bay]

Yeah the chu ko nu

[placid fiber]

generally speaking shouldn't you not load a bullet into a gun that doesn't fire said callibur or w/e? Like... I've never had to really put such a statement into words or thought, until now... It should be common sense... not that the outter world is known for their above average levels of common sense...

[grizzled aspen]

That's the thing. It will seat.

You can fire it.

And it will explode.

[sterile basalt]

Not quite, it’s later called that but it had existed way before the three kingdoms

[placid fiber]

Like... I am not gonna take a 12 guage shotgun round and try to fire it in a handgun...

[opaque island]

but all that pressure, thats supposed to push the bullet forward, instead goes back inwards and fucks up the gun

[fringe bay]

It’ll explode the gun if the cartridge is too powerful

[opaque island]

cause the bullet cant go

[delicate shadow]

there's also the risk you accidentally load a .300 magazine without realising, though that really again comes down to being careful and checking your shit

[opaque island]

again, common sense

[grizzled aspen]

Funny thing, you can chamber a .50 bmg into a 12g chamber.

:)

A flare gun is also the same diameter of a .50 bmg.

[opaque island]

okay, that would be REALLY cool though

you might only shoot it once

[placid fiber]

Isn't a 12 guage shotgun round pretty big? :\

[opaque island]

but whatever you shoot at is gone

[grizzled aspen]

You would literally be detonating a live hand grenade in your hand.

[opaque island]

aaaw

[grizzled aspen]

About the size of your thumb.

[placid fiber]

I mean, I guess that's not all that big.

[grizzled aspen]

.50 bmg is the length from your wrist to the tip of your middle finger.

The round can fit in a 12g chamber.

It'll seat, fire, and explode.

[placid fiber]

So in other words if that thing goes into your body at a high velocity the kind of day you are having is probably going to not be all that great...? :3

[opaque island]

and do you know what happens if you get hit with a .50 bmg fired properly?

[delicate shadow]

(you die)

[grizzled aspen]

You become past tense.

[opaque island]

^

mist

red mist

[grizzled aspen]

.50 bmg can harm you without even touching you, as well.

[delicate shadow]

at least with .50 there's a good chance you won't even feel much of anything, you'll just be pasted

[placid fiber]

Oh thank god, I was imaging a giant hole in my lower stomach being able to be seen by me before I become said past tense x.x

[grizzled aspen]

Go look up a raufus (I think I spelled that right) round.

[delicate shadow]

I'll take that over a gutshot from an ak

[grizzled aspen]

Tldr self sharpening depleted uranium round that has an explosive payload, meant for punching into a building and detonating like a frag grenade inside a room.

[delicate shadow]

bleeding out in agony for hours to days doesn't sound fun

[placid fiber]

and by "before I become said past tense" I mean at least 30 seconds of time, not like 2 seconds <.<

[opaque island]

more like .2 seconds

i dont think you'd have time to process the pain

[grizzled aspen]

A .50bmg gutshot would straight up rip you in half.

You would die outright.

[placid fiber]

Dude... if I am darktiding that might literally push my soul into the dark of tides...

[grizzled aspen]

Too many pain signals to your brain shuts it off like a light

[placid fiber]

Wait... that mean you might get no say in whether you have to play with my "ghost" dead ass, then...

[opaque island]

this is how zealot chat gets slowmoded for a completely different reason

what caliber is a boltgun round?

[grizzled aspen]

40mm, iirc.

[placid fiber]

Nah, we haven't even started getting warmed up on the real meat of the discussion

[spare talon]

you dont know the meaning of the word fun, that sounds awesome

[grizzled aspen]

Scuse me, .75 cal.

Roughly 19mm.

[opaque island]

gutshots are a pretty bad way to go

damn thats gonna hurt

[placid fiber]

I mean... yeah, I kind of already figured that would be the case... of a way to go by projectile...

[grizzled aspen]

Keep in mind that the quarter diameter projectile hitting you has the kinetic energy to rip a car in half, and then it explodes.

[opaque island]

yes

and yet if it wasnt heresy, im sure we could easily make them alot worse/better

in the 40k universe

[placid fiber]

Sure, Frog, but you're forgetting that the person is also running late for work and could tank a train head on

I mean not really, obviously

but sometimes you think that you could move heaven and earth to do [insert extremely important thing here]

[acoustic dune]

OK question

[grizzled aspen]

You do know there are many different types of bolter ammunitions, right?

[hard nexus]

hmm insanity methinks

it wouldnt rip a car in half

[acoustic dune]

What if you were sent to your future self

[hard nexus]

and the detonation is only to enhance a wound, not cause one

[acoustic dune]

What would you say?

[opaque island]

I mean i dont know the details but the fact does not suprise me

[placid fiber]

cuz at least 1 is designed to extremely mess up targets that are flesh?

[grizzled aspen]

There's a lot.

Some are designed specifically for necrons, some for tyranids, some for psykers, and so on.

Some have varying levels of corrosion and armor piercing, or thermobaric potential.

[placid fiber]

Necrons are, more or less, more solid metal than a heavily armored target right?

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[placid fiber]

Fisticuffs ain't gonna get that far in a fight with em, then

[grizzled aspen]

For all intents and purposes, you are shooting at a block of tungsten that's twice as dense as normal tungsten.

And may or may not be reactive.

[placid fiber]

I don't have a frame of reference for how tough that is, but, I am inagining a solid metal wall, but, 5x thicker.

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[grizzled aspen]

Tungsten is the densest metal on earth. A block that's 1x1x1 inch weighs like 15 pounds.

[sterile basalt]

Osmium is denser

[grizzled aspen]

I'm spitballing ofc.

[sterile basalt]

It’s just far more expensive

[delicate shadow]

and tungsten already ain't cheap

[grizzled aspen]

I'm gonna be real, I thought osmium wasn't real.

[placid fiber]

So was I very far off, then, with what I could think of at the time to compare it to? x.x

[sterile basalt]

It is

[placid fiber]

I made it obsurdly thick since I was assuming it was an immensely tough material

[sterile stone]

Stalinium is the densest material on earth

[grizzled aspen]

For frame of reference, solid tungsten is capable of surviving falling from orbit without much issue.

From orbit.

Atmospheric re entry and all that jazz.

[placid fiber]

I mean the distance might not impess me, but, rentering the atmosphere as well? Damn that's fucking tough

[opaque island]

rod of god

tungsten rod fired from space

[grizzled aspen]

Keep in mind said rod is the size of a telephone pole.

[sterile basalt]

What even is that

[sterile stone]

[sterile basalt]

The technically densest thing ever created on earth is quark-gluon plasma

Right next to it we have the average anime MC

[placid fiber]

Man there's 1 problem I have with the sword in the 2nd area... sometimes while spamming attack and the dash attack enemies just go flying away like you kicked a field goal with them... and I don't have poseidon on attack or special or cast...

Sure it helps if you're getting overwhelming, but, if you are trying to kill them with your attack... and you instinctively dash towards them when they go flying in to the lava... you get singed a bit... >.>'

[misty nova]

(Russian WW2 propaganda)

or would it be soviet

[misty ravine]

T-34 made of Sloped Stalinium is invincible (also its horrendous loss rate and crew survival probability is a feature, war is won by the numbers)

[lament meadow]

where can i find up-to date builds with weapons and that stuff?

steam guides?

[misty ravine]

Pins

Zealot, for better and for worse, has some very strong talents and some very shit ones, which will effectively funnel you down one path for non-Havoc (and a different one for Havoc because people tend to want someone to cleanse corruption and spam Chorus for them)

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-22679735

[placid fiber]

Welp, I took an extremely big risk with the remove 1 hammer for 2 hammers gamble... it took the thing which made me have a double jab on my dash attack, instead of the cursed slash, thankfully... I got +200% backstab damage and flurry slash, as a reward for my gamble... I wasn't going to do it, but, they gave me the omega fast call charge, so I said fuck it. x.x

I am still sweating from that gamble, tbh. >.>'

I was 100% sure I was going to be stupid for doing it lol

On a side note: at least this flurry slash doesn't knock enemies omega far away and it is good for getting hp back with cursed slash...

If this was a heat run I would not have risked losing cursed slash like that

[placid fiber]

Uh.. hm... is it Cole? x.x

Oh, nice, you get 300 shadow from beating hades on a heat level you have beaten/0 heat with the +20% from hunger or w/e it is called

[grizzled aspen]

The perk on the randomly chosen weapon is dark thirst.

[placid fiber]

Well taking the sword that time for shadow really payed off then, since that 20% bonus at the very least got me 50 more shadow

And just as I gave the little meduse head my last ambrosia I get the ability to get a 3rd companion thingy from megaera... :\

I kept changing them to titan blood for weapno upgrades

[misty nova]

Dusa

[placid fiber]

She's great at talking to you, before dissipearing for 2 runs.

[tame sluice]

https://tenor.com/uu8DtSIgHEa.gif

[grizzled aspen]

Her keepsake is great.

[placid fiber]

Maybe, but, I am doing what I did for keepsakes: collecting... it looked pretty good from the quick glance I gave it, skele's dummy only gets summoned when I accidentally hit 1 while using my special and hitting q

And before you say somthing: No I still haven't been able to get a controller yet, so I am stuck with the mouse and keyboard...

[grizzled aspen]

The game will get 100x easier once you get a controller.

Promise.

[placid fiber]

I mean... I have only played Hades 2 with the mouse and keyboard, so the basic way I press the buttons in Hades 1 is not much different, if even at all...

Also: look at this evil shit, on the room before the boss they offer me the hammer on the side room...

and as much as I want it, I want a boon more rn... >.<'

Well apparently it wan't actually the room before the boss, but, I managed to get a hermes boon for 10 gold for every room I enter... and I am still on the 1st floor, so that is gonna pay off a decent bit

At least they gave me a hammer afterwards

[sterile stone]

Get the gold skull

Ball out

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343

[placid fiber]

From Hades 2...?

or is that a companion/boon or w/e? >.>

I did my 0 heat fists run since I still had to get an ambrosia and titans blood from it, so I could get the companion thing and a quick titans blood

I wonder if I can use this vs Meg...

[placid fiber]

That companion thing is basically small nukes in a straight line

[obsidian prairie]

Achilles?
Turn their balls into kebabs.

[placid fiber]

[candid shuttle]

How I deadass fucking watch as I get downed twice via nets within 3s

[placid fiber]

Yeah when the 2nd net is already coming as they finish unnetting you... that just absolutely sucks

[brisk raft]

Or when randos free you when a Crusher is winding up the Overhead

[placid fiber]

I mean...whether or not they free you, the crusher is winding that overhead... them freeing you gives you the slightest amount of time to react instead of being guaranteed to be pulverized...

It's more when you get picked up into an overhead, after you were downed >.>

[brisk raft]

Oh my bad, I was thinking of getting revived

Not netted, brain fried

[placid fiber]

I got u, I said something about that afterwards :3

[brisk raft]

Yiss

Also like is it worth being revived in a fresh fire aoe? Hahaha

[placid fiber]

I've been playing so much Hades 1 that I didn't even realize the darktide update is in like... 10 days or so.

[brisk raft]

Could've been fasterngl

Heard some people hoping that they will release extra weapons as well, particularly for Vet.

But I doubt, hopium too stronk for me

[placid fiber]

You know... I forgot they did a remake of the original system shock game back in 2023... It's 63% off for the Steam spring sale going on

Space Marine 2 is 35% off and Helldivers 2 is 20% off heh

[candid shuttle]

How it feels when the trappers are silent

[placid fiber]

How it feels to have the counter:
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/268

If specials didn't not make sounds as much as it happens spidey sense wouldn't have as much value for me(specifically for trappers)

[twin wagon]

I mean

Get cackling trapper instead

Less cheaty and funnier

Also less visually taxing for the old folk within us

[placid fiber]

I only have trappers, hounds, muties, bursters, and daemonhosts on for active markers. The indicators I get from an enemy swinging at me don't really do much of anything for me, I was already working on reacting to it and the direction it is from does nothing for how I am going to react generally

[twin wagon]

Yes but you don't have the trapper cackling 24/7

and the dog barking as if it was your neighbor

[placid fiber]

Any visual clutter I get from it is minimal, and hasn't really affected me too badly if at all. If I start getting audio sounds playing loud enough that I don't hear other things that will definitely affect how well I play :\

[brisk raft]

Got mod link?

[twin wagon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/384

[modern lintel]

jonkler tide

[twin wagon]

It's funny how you are unable to hear anything else till the trapper is dead

encourages good priorities

SEEK SOURCE OF CACKLING

[modern jasper]

Trapper kinda sounds like psychicpebbles

[twin wagon]

DESTROY SOURCE OF CACKLING
Enjoy audio

[twin wagon]

Fellow hunters, remember, no matter how many times you cart, there's always someone that will perform worse

[cinder roost]

This made my brain vomit in its mouth.

[heady rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550767748473421877/1349606687006396446/RDT_20250313_075436.mp4?ex=67d659ac&is=67d5082c&hm=99e945de78147347d455e1278d48fbdc0027a4f2144bb94ee97f2bc831de2ee7&

[formal umbra]

DEPLOY THE GIGGLER

[ornate bone]

Trying to adjust the equalizer for darktide is not great

Can't hear the fuckin' wooshing of enemies attacks now

anyone know what would make those noises stick out more?

[ornate bone]

This one is pretty good 👍

Get FxSound from the Microsoft Store https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/xp8jk4tbq03lz4?ocid=webpdpshare

You have basic settings for bass , clarity etc + equalizer

Yeah that's what I have Sonar for

Just don't know which ranges are best for darktide

Well maybe ask Darktide moderators for help 🤔

It's hard to tell everyone have different headphones but I will try out to pinpoint ranges after work

Just bought the Arctis Nova Pro's, I can tell they're a good headset cause my current set sounds great on other games

sounds like ass on darktide

Because I like to hear music so I have a lot o base not much high sounds and kind of middle mid

It may be also in game settings

For me it even cutout shooting sound witch was wird

[umbral kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-mgs-mgs4-ocelot-liquid-ocelot-gif-18131446

[tawdry leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342021784240787476/1350431701985267712/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.03.15_-_06.34.38.15.DVR_-_Trim.mp4?ex=67d6b707&is=67d56587&hm=723a9bbb2ec47d2245353dd30a30651a6f6104e99bac8f195cbcd1d23f184cb8&

just thought it was kinda cool

[cinder roost]

Weirdly they never made a preset for darktide. It's been an annoyance since I got my headset from them.

[ornate bone]

I might return them honestly

Why is it so hard to get audio out of the box these days

I've been trying every pair of headphones in the $400-1200 range and none of them sound better than my old hyper cloud II's out of the box

[cinder roost]

There is an alternative solution that doesn't involve sonar.

https://equalizerapo.com/

They have presets for all the steelseries headsets

[cinder roost]

Audiophile headphones aren't going to sound good out of the box. They require tuning, an amp, and a break in period.

[ornate bone]

Honestly I'd get the Cloud IIs again if they didn't explode

Twas unpleasant

[spiral ridge]

how do we hit 7 stack with with martyrdom

[misty ravine]

Malice or under, unfortunately

[spiral ridge]

oh we cant hit 7 on damnation?

[misty ravine]

Need 7 missing wounds, you have 7 wounds (2 base, 2 talent, 3 curio), and you can't be alive while missing all 7

[tawdry leaf]

you can hit 7 wounds on damnation yeah

3 wound curios, 2 from that martydom zealot node, and then 2 natural will lead to 7 wounds for damnation

[sacred jay]

I prefer running 6 wounds on martydom with one toughness or stamina relic

[acoustic dune]

counterpoint

friend me on mordhau whenn

[twin wagon]

I own a gunaxe for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended

I can now

[acoustic dune]

less go

[vestal nexus]

that's how i've felt for a while too lad

[acoustic dune]

ill go get the code

https://tenor.com/view/tbhcreature-tbhcreatureyippee-yippee-meme-yippee-tbh-creature-excited-jumping-gif-26089708

@twin wagon PE3TU0

[obtuse stirrup]

Tbh I don't see it, the activation time on power sword kills the weapon for me

I've started to see the Rashad as just being plain better

[acoustic dune]

tbf the rashad is very arleady know to be cheese

[obtuse stirrup]

I... struggle to consider the Rashad as cheese. It's kind of too plain for that.

if it was a cheese, it'd be like mozzarella or something

[acoustic dune]

the ds is know to be cheese

[obtuse stirrup]

it works and it's super easy to work with but it doesn't really taste of anything

[acoustic dune]

its also as plain

[obtuse stirrup]

DS4 doesn't feel so plain to me, it at least has flavour

the stabbiness and swiftness of it

it's like two brain cell gaming, compared to rashad's 1 brain cell

[acoustic dune]

the simpler they are

the more op they are

god i wanna see a buff on the thammer

i cant never get it too work

anyhow

blud left me on read

[simple nexus]

Sorry that's me

[acoustic dune]

i am never getting to play mordhau

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fight-gif-10290761239041307136

[vestal nexus]

the activation time is pretty small , most things are dead within the 3 swings, and you can block during the charge time on the mark 6, fixes any defensive issues for the most part, is it tedious ? 100% i'll give you that, but if we're talkin havoc rashad is good for sure, but isn't in the same realm as power sword, far too much carapace for the rashad to compete at the level of DS/ Knife, let alone PS, that's just my opinion but also coming from a grenade vet perspective if that matters, but i truthfully think the power sword 6 can be chucked into any vet build and it will probably make it stronger, i dont think i can say the same for the rashad, which requires some certain teching to reach those important break points

[formal umbra]

Power sword is gonna be much better to use once the patch drops and you don't get stunned out of it anymore

[vestal nexus]

i'm 100% keen as a bean

[formal umbra]

Genuinely so excited

[obtuse stirrup]

Rashad already hits the important break points just being built properly on the weapon if you have like 1 headtaker stack iirc?

[tight fog]

if u want sounds to stick out u want to cut the other frequencies way down, not boost the ones you want basically

[obtuse stirrup]

It already eats bruisers then

[tight fog]

so like the other way arounbd from what uve done there

[formal umbra]

Also oh shit I just subbed to you! I've been having a lot of fun with grenade vet

[twin wagon]

sent

[obtuse stirrup]

But I don't fuck with Havoc so I guess it falls down a little there maybe

[tight fog]

cause u cant boost loads of stuff, it all mashes together

[obtuse stirrup]

Bromentum is a very binary blessing

You either kill 4 in 1 swing or take 2 swings to kill each asshole

While I guess Pee Sword just woosh-woosh-wooshes enough until every flops over anyway

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/mordhau-bg-mordhau-bg-gore-death-gif-19207823

inv me and let's unleash the abuse

[olive blaze]

NSFL incoming

[final tartan]

doesnt look easy to stab yourself like that.. gj

serious commitment needed there

[olive blaze]

Oh nah the initial incision was only like an inch wide and a couple inches deep

[clever swan]

couldnt you like spoiler it if you think it's nsfl

[olive blaze]

They had to cut me right open because my tendons went all the way up my forearm

So they had to pull them back to reattach them

[olive blaze]

How do you spoiler images?

[final tartan]

pff my god

gods of mars went mental on you

[clever swan]

idk, || 's on both side or click on the image and tell it to become a spoiler

[frosty herald]

Thats gonna be a gnarly scar

[final tartan]

left hand became 150 times stronger ?

[olive blaze]

It is a gnarly scar, that was in 2020

I like the scar though

It gives me character

[final tartan]

tattooo some sparks around it

[olive blaze]

Having the stitches pulled out wasn't pleasant

[final tartan]

-in memory of the cyberdragon iv slain with only this arm

[olive blaze]

Not gonna lie though it isn't the most unpleasant surgical procedure I've had

I needed my nose realigned after it was broken and I was coughing up blood clots for like 3 days after the surgery

[ornate bone]

Catheter is probably my worst shudder

[olive blaze]

Oh I've had a catheter

Not in my pp though

When I was 15 paramedics thought I was having a heart attack, and at the hospital they did something called an angiogram

It's where they stab a tube into your femoral artery in your thigh and feed a catheter through your arteries to check for blockages

But it was just myocarditis and pericarditis

[ornate bone]

Ouch the face is Hella sensitive

Jeez ok u win

[ornate bone]

Martyr build?

Iv seen what that looks like on the computer when they do the op

It's like a thin wire

[olive blaze]

I thought I was dying so I wasn't too concerned

A hot female nurse also had to shave my pubes so they could do it

[ornate bone]

Saw it on house 🤓

[olive blaze]

I would've been embarrassed in any other situation but when you think you're having a heart attack

You don't really care

[ornate bone]

Hell yeah I bet

[olive blaze]

I've had a lot of weird surgical procedures tbh

Without modern medicine I'd have a crooked nose, be deaf, insane and have no functioning left hand

[ornate bone]

I hate medical procedures

[olive blaze]

I hate the dentist more than surgery tbh

[sacred jay]

coworker got blood poisoning last time he visited dentist

[ornate bone]

I'm pretty lucky with dentist the most serious and longest job was root canal treatment but I didn't have much roots so it took only hour

[sacred jay]

i doubt he will visit same dentist soon

[olive blaze]

Last time I went to the dentist he needed to do some drilling, gave me 6 shots of anaesthesia but I could still feel it when he was drilling so I said fuck this

You have no idea how painful a drill on your tooth nerve is

[sacred jay]

its fucking excruciating

[olive blaze]

It's like ice cold and white hot at the same time

[sacred jay]

i held grip of the armrest of the chair so hard it left a mark on the armrest

when i got drilling

[olive blaze]

I might ask to be put under next time at a dental surgeon's office if I need more drilling done tbh

Anaesthesia doesn't seem to work on me any more

[sacred jay]

built in immunity

[olive blaze]

I'm part redhead which is probably why

Well my mum's a ginger and I have a red beard

[sacred jay]

oh

life ruined by that one south park episode

[ornate bone]

And the saddest was hospital stay during Christmas because I've cut my eyebrow arch and I met a kid who had pickup some box and his both hands where burnt and because it was chritmas I made a picture of him picking preset and Santa behind chrimass tree detonating it

[olive blaze]

Not really. My hair is brown and I didn't grow a beard until after school

[sacred jay]

meanwhile my hair is graying already at 25

🗿

[acoustic dune]

ok lad

[olive blaze]

Dw mine's starting to thin massively

[sacred jay]

i got good genes that my hair grows ridiculously fast

but got the graying also

can wait to look like reed richards

[olive blaze]

I'm gonna look like this in a few years

[ornate bone]

It's like you can almost still feel the fact that your having your teeth drilled into even if u can't feel it you know it's happening which for me is the worst part

I can even feel the drilling if someone just speaks about it

I have some fobia with teeth if someone rubs hand on some material like sand paper or carpet I can feel that wired feeling in my teeth

[olive blaze]

I get that with Styrofoam

It makes my entire body shiver if I think about it too

[obtuse stirrup]

man, I just had one of the best games of my life on auric maelstrom with my chain axe zealot and it was the last one I needed to finish off my ASS

so happy

[acoustic dune]

@twin wagon i blame you for the loss

[ornate bone]

Ah shit my bad man

[twin wagon]

Packet loss is horrible for swing manip weps

[acoustic dune]

yarp

[twin wagon]

I can't wessex cucumber

[acoustic dune]

lets play engineer

[twin wagon]

I must head off for now tho

plz say rq in my instead

[acoustic dune]

aight

ping me next time

if you wanna mordhau

[ornate bone]

I would just play with wave shape (highest/lowest up/down) I like this deep sound but depends on the waepon also ...With shotgun its a blast

but I know its for my shitty headphones right now

[solar gorge]

having knife+shroudfield should ban you from matchmaking tbh

[violet hornet]

this should be the real way to play solo by forcing you into a solo match if you take these

[sullen forge]

Should be forced to title screen if you use Thammer + Shroud

[obtuse stirrup]

Nothing wrong with shroud and knife. The problem is in the brains of the people who tend to actually play it.

[ornate bone]

WHAT

SO CUTE AHHHH

[acoustic dune]

explode it

[fleet zealot]

no

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/flourhyune-ferret-jokjebi-ferret-peeping-gif-4650358843949474509

[ornate bone]

its got a mask cause IT STOLE MA HEART

[fleet zealot]

extra long whiskers

[ornate bone]

I sound stupid but I don't actually know what these are called

Ferret right?

Surely people don't have stoates as pets 💀

[fleet zealot]

ferrets

yes

[twin wagon]

I am back

[acoustic dune]

hi back

[twin wagon]

[hushed knoll]

Hi wolfy ily owo

[placid fiber]

loading cutscene is still playing'
Monster: "Fuck this player in particular!"

[open echo]

hows the mkvi knife doing?

[acoustic dune]

why do i get a ily at my name

[placid fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1166851827900350575/bloodknife.gif

[fleet zealot]

not too well compared to mk3, it's not much worse but just a tiny bit

you trade a bit more horde clear for worse single target

except knife is always going to be a single target, not to good at horde clear

[ornate bone]

I prefer mk6

It more mobile for me

[fleet zealot]

so you are basically reducing your best strength on knife for it being a tiny bit better vs something it's bad at anyways

[fleet zealot]

the mobility is teh same

[ornate bone]

But MK3 is great for head hits etc

[fleet zealot]

both are head hitters

if you don't hit heads you are wasting the weapon

[tranquil owl]

Mmmmm I'd been looking at relic blade too

[fleet zealot]

regardless of mark

[ornate bone]

I mean combo moves etc

[open echo]

mercy killer lacerate is how i make myself not fall alseep while using knife

its also pretty fun

[fleet zealot]

swap energy transfer and heatsink for cranial and rampage

[ornate bone]

I works better for me

[fleet zealot]

or at least swap energy transfer to cranial

[open echo]

lacerate moment (real)

[fleet zealot]

energy transfer sucks, so does heatsink

[ornate bone]

Yeah I had different but now this is my fun you can really ride on that power up blade

[fleet zealot]

the heat drain only works at full effectiveness if you are overloaded, something you never want to happen

otherwise heat drain blessings are only 50% effective or some shit

[fleet zealot]

wow can't wait to trade a 3x damage multiplier for 4 stacks of bleed

really

really good trade!

it's not

[open echo]

true and real

[fleet zealot]

if you want bleed just go uncanny fleshtearer

also yea

[open echo]

but yeah i agree

[fleet zealot]

bleed without uncanny sucks

[open echo]

i refuse to use meta blessings knife

its

not fun :3

[fleet zealot]

25% more bleed damage vs anything not unarmored/infested, and 75% more bleed damage vs carapace

flesh tearer uncanny isn't even meta

it's off meta

the meta is riposte precog

[fleet zealot]

i'm serious

[open echo]

funkkiller :3

[fleet zealot]

you'll get more uptime with heatsink + cranial

[open echo]

also a question with relic blade

[fleet zealot]

energy transfer is just a shit blessing

[open echo]

when do you use it unpowered?

[fleet zealot]

when i'm edging it basically

[open echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1163040688385040446/1169340797964005451/IMG_5730.gif

[fleet zealot]

but then again, i use rampage+ energy leakage for double strength

wrath+ rampage, and for a lesser bit energy leakage helps the swords performance while unpowered

and why i like them more than uptime related blessings

personally

[fleet zealot]

there is no nice way to put it

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1038776145014960189.webp?animated=true

[fleet zealot]

but cranial is really good for uptime so most people go cranial+ rampage or wrath

[open echo]

so in general when do you power it?

[fleet zealot]

thick hordes

elites

when i need to build some charge for energy leakage

[open echo]

also with the mkx, why do people suggest light spam for horde clear even though theres a strikedown in there

[open echo]

what energy leakage do again?

[placid fiber]

because the light spam is faster, safer, and allows for you to aim the poke becuase "fuck that guy in particular"

[fleet zealot]

up to 20% strength based on how full your charge bar is

[fleet zealot]

because it's faster than doing heavies

and the empowered lights have the same stats as the empowered heavies

[open echo]

oh true

i assume the mk2 is considered better

[placid fiber]

eh

[fleet zealot]

and it's useful for mixed hordes where you can just poke a mauler or rager in the face and it usually staggers them

no

[fleet zealot]

don't start this but

personally

they are both great

and perform about the same

[placid fiber]

they are about the same in performance I would say

[open echo]

:3

[fleet zealot]

it is very much a heavy sword situation

where every mark is viable and it comes down to preference

[open echo]

as far as i've been told x is easier to learn

[fleet zealot]

if you prefer mk2, fine, if you prefer mkx fine

[placid fiber]

depends if u get a high from combos or brainlessly mashing left click

[fleet zealot]

i'd ignore what you are being told and test it yourself

[open echo]

fair enogh

also

why now when i got to buy relic swords to sacrifise i get perfect rolls

i only got heat or damage dumps

guh

now its always mobility dump

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204540553971372072/1337110896920756296/RDT_20241118_2201016645429803181321652-1.gif

[acoustic dune]

i shoud try a bleed build out

imma bear all read

[acoustic dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246140539039252481/1337259957535375381/IMG_1886.gif

[open echo]

is mk4 dclaw + zarona a bad idea? :3

[twin wagon]

They should really ban people using the disconnect on DH mod

[acoustic dune]

go 🅱️istol

[twin wagon]

It's starting to be griefing

[acoustic dune]

DH?

[placid fiber]

Daemonhost

[twin wagon]

Demon Host

[acoustic dune]

oh that

[twin wagon]

It sends the dh to a teamate

it sucks

[acoustic dune]

leacing the match is wack to me

imagine going down and not owning up to it

its not my fault you are wack bum of nowhere

[ornate bone]

I've played MK3 knife for long time but is more frontal movement and slower and MK6 just fits more my play style just only thinking about comfort of play I like to doge sideways a lot so mk6 fits and I don't really have any problem killing enemies

[open echo]

i found a mod that caused my game to crash everytime i went down

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533050129700356106/1344424796813000805/attachment.gif

[acoustic dune]

anyhow imma fuck around with the bleed

[ornate bone]

Maybe I cannot explain it's just feeling of weapon In Guess some weapons are great but I don't enjoy using them

[acoustic dune]

thammer for me

i got 5 game in a row

game end at the start of the match

[ornate bone]

Somehow I feel more "stiff" using mk3

[twin wagon]

Someone in EU has that and it stinks

Hopefully reports do something

[open echo]

wha

[tranquil owl]

Yeah honestly in games like this i tend to go with what feels good to me, thammer does for me cause I can boop big enemies into submission with my special

[twin wagon]

Whenever someone goes down in EU, the game crashes for the 3 other players

[acoustic dune]

time for evil knife

[open echo]

thats weird

[open echo]

damamge dump (real)

[twin wagon]

I'm just starting to get sick of people using mods to grief

[frozen crystal]

Only time I type in chat besides “mb” anymore has to do with disconnects and dh.

I get annoyed if someone leaves after activating dh. But I will stay in whether or not dh is on me and I survive or die.

But in multiple occasions the goober JOINS back after dh is gone. That is where I type something not nice and leave.

[open echo]

are you sure it was intentional?

[twin wagon]

It's the third time he's kicked me off this match

I give up

[acoustic dune]

anyhow

anyone wanna try a run with me with the EVIL build?

[open echo]

so whenever they go down everyone else just dcs?

[placid fiber]

You should report them before giving them the what for, that they deserve

[twin wagon]

Yes 3 times I've been matched with them

and whenever they barrel themselves it's over

[twin wagon]

Sure

giv me a sec

[acoustic dune]

aight

ping me when ready

[open echo]

oh so they just join and down themselves?

[twin wagon]

yep

[open echo]

they seems very intentional

guhhh

definitley report if you get a chance

[twin wagon]

done already

[placid fiber]

Did you also block them on steam?

[twin wagon]

Nope, the more info I can get on them the better

[placid fiber]

Fair

[twin wagon]

I can also warn people in the lobby about his antics

Like with certain known havoc troll

On another note, a new must have has dropped

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/482

[acoustic dune]

gl evil build hit different

[open echo]

does ironhelm still take thrust + slaughterer?

[placid fiber]

thammer takes thrust + headtaker(consistency) or slaughterer(higher damage)

[open echo]

and how about perks?

are ironhelm and crucius both the same blessings and perks?

[placid fiber]

I am not 100% sure on that

[twin wagon]

And the mod is now installed coming

[acoustic dune]

aight

@twin wagon almmost done wiht my match

done

[fleet zealot]

both special light and PA on mk3 are insanely fast

and some of your best attacks

[acoustic dune]

me using a bleed knife

(its actually neat)

[placid fiber]

I know the mk3 is good, but, I do not like it. Before the mk6 came out I never even considered the knife past malice(for me personally) once I got my characters to level 30(way back when)

[ornate bone]

Zealot with Ogryn brain

[acoustic dune]

i am going full bleed lads

[placid fiber]

Yes I get the mk6 trades some single target for some horde clear, but, that trade off gives me enough peace of mind I can justify bringing the knife myself. x.x

[ornate bone]

Yeah and db shotgun with bleed and crit

[twin wagon]

He's gone full bleed

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/mauzy-mice-gif-12371265837555442738

[twin wagon]

DOTGUN

[acoustic dune]

i am using recon for fire damage

and or farm crit

[twin wagon]

DOTGUN

[placid fiber]

Know what's funny? On the ij build I used when I was playing a bit with the mk6 knife... I ran uncanny + lacerate and my aim was bad enough I was getting a higher crit rate than weakspot rate(and I was aiming for heads the best I could, my aim just sucks)

[acoustic dune]

altho a shotty nice neat