zealot-class

[clever swan]

real combat

[copper hawk]

Wow that sounds terrible

[frosty herald]

Waow

[copper hawk]

Uh

[hearty nebula]

i agree

[copper hawk]

Align the Arrays

[frosty herald]

Its jedi unleashed

[hard nexus]

cc immune? YET ANOTHER NERF TO ZEALOT RAAHHHH

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[frosty herald]

Thats pretty early in the story

[copper hawk]

Uh

To go to tanalorr

[clever swan]

n...yes

[copper hawk]

A bit after the Vader fight

[frosty herald]

Ooo

[hearty nebula]

that's a massive nerf to literally everyone

[frosty herald]

Almost at the end

[hearty nebula]

it's havoc modifier tho so idc

[copper hawk]

How do i unlock more bounties

[hard nexus]

i wish i couldve finished jedi unleashed, but my game broke at a tram section and would crash every time

[copper hawk]

I only have 3

[hard nexus]

i couldnt fix it

[frosty herald]

Ask the woman with the bounty pucks

[hearty nebula]

thats why ur noob...

[frosty herald]

She gives you bounty locations

[hard nexus]

er force unleashed

not jedi

[copper hawk]

Yah i did

[hard nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130953226611597413/1350150437302567084/FalseNuke.gif

[copper hawk]

But it's generic dialogue

[frosty herald]

Force unleashed on the psp was so peak

[copper hawk]

Sometimes new ones appear in the screen

[clever swan]

force unleashed was awesome back in the day. and now I guess

[copper hawk]

But i feel like i should have more by now

[frosty herald]

I would search up a guide

[clever swan]

the bendable and destructible physics objects seemed so next gen for unleashed

but jedi knight jedi outcast will always be the best

[frosty herald]

Theres also a gamebreaking bug with the bounties that you get softlocked and cant do more

So i hope you dont have that one

[copper hawk]

Probably have that one

I had the first bounty ug

Where i just didnt get them

When the game released

That took them months and months to patch

[mighty root]

@copper hawk we need to play elden rang or uh dark souls 3

[copper hawk]

Not playin those

They look 2 hard and unfun

And the combat looks super silly

[mighty root]

You stink

Holy moly

[copper hawk]

And i dont feel intrigued by the story or the environment

[mighty root]

You stink

[copper hawk]

OR THE LORE !!

However star warz.. cool..

[mighty root]

I can smell you from here

[copper hawk]

They even onsulted hema treatises and manuscriptz w how they do cal's lightsaber combat..

[mighty root]

Terrible boysmell

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-12944899486400191725

[copper hawk]

So it looks realistic.. and fantastical..

Practical ls..

[mighty root]

I sleep

I sleep

[frosty herald]

Saying this when spawn of oggdo exists

[copper hawk]

That's the only shitty fight

I have the difficulty on grandmaster and it's been fun

But for the oggdo bogdo fight and the double frog action challenge i turbed it down to just above easy

Jedi knight ?

[frosty herald]

I turned it into story

Couldnt be bothered with it lmfao

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/the-chewer-chew-chewer-chewing-gif-14185198428305864378

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yeet-darth-vader-fallen-order-jedi-gif-24487821

Imagine we actualy get to duel vader into a stalemate in jedi 3

Showing how much cal has grown as a jedi

[clever swan]

literally true

[open echo]

its push attack thats most effective on knife right? or it is it something else

[grizzled aspen]

There is no "putting Vader into a stalemate."

You either buy yourself enough time to flee or you die.

[clever swan]

Naruto would one shot Vader

[placid fiber]

It feels really weird to be bullying the bosses in a game like Hades. >.>

[grizzled aspen]

What's the sawblade furys name again?

[placid fiber]

And I don't mean destroying them, I mean constantly charming them ever like 5 seconds

[frosty herald]

If you are a good enough jedi you can hold your ground

[placid fiber]

alexa or w/e?

[grizzled aspen]

Idk.

Not Meg and not Tisiphone.

[copper hawk]

Cere almost killed him

[grizzled aspen]

The other one.

[placid fiber]

btw frog I have these, right now, on this build

[grizzled aspen]

Sawblade fury is the only one I can't bully.

[frosty herald]

Cere was a grey jedi

[placid fiber]

Really? She isn't that hard for me, but, I generally either have a ranged loadout or a way to block her

[frosty herald]

She used the dark side against vader in fallen order

[placid fiber]

Alecto.

[grizzled aspen]

800 damage every 5s???

Holy shit.

[grizzled aspen]

THE WENCH

HATE

[placid fiber]

Charming the boss for 1/1.5 second as well every 5s

[grizzled aspen]

Alecto has ruined so many fucking runs for me man.

[clever swan]

Vader isn't even as strong as anakin could have been anyway

[spare talon]

push attacks are very effective and safe, but cost stamina
heavy>(special>light>loop) really quickly works basically just as well but without the safety of the pushes

[placid fiber]

Alecto was tough the 1st 4 times I fought her, but, I have gotten used to her... I do a fuck ton of panic dodge dash attacks, though, so the fact I am panic moving might be helping me. :\

[misty nova]

Alecto Hi

[placid fiber]

The same panic moving gets me in trouble with Thesius... :\

[frosty herald]

Losing his legs and his arm made him lose some connection to the force

[placid fiber]

ESPECIALLY with guan yu...

[clever swan]

muh midichlorians in my legs!!

[opal star]

I mean

yeah

[clever swan]

yeah i know

that's the actual explanation

[opal star]

midichlorians are stored in the balls

[frosty herald]

I think its a neat thing that your body is your conection to the force

[plucky gate]

imagine if a jedi could donate blood and make someone force sensitive

[clever swan]

yeah but I think it could've been more "in tune with my natural body" vs "cellular creatures"

[opal star]

could be that too if george wasn’t a coward

Ik there was a system like that in uhhh

shadowrun, was it?

[plucky gate]

yeah i think that would've been better

[frosty herald]

Yeah

[placid fiber]

So, frog... did you ever abuse the +8 duration to these things in the earlier heat levels? I find myself doing it a lot >.>

[frosty herald]

The more bodily augments you have the less mana you have

[placid fiber]

I am not at any serious heat levels, though

[plucky gate]

i remember someone mentioning a funny concept that if midochlorians were in your blood, maybe being really fat would make you better at the force

just have more mass

[frosty herald]

Lard vader😌

[placid fiber]

I am completing the bow's heat 3 since I died at hades the last time, right now, myself <.<

[copper hawk]

Why u shouldnt let lucas write too much

Ive bee watchin ltg nonstop

[clever swan]

I wish Lucas would come back for one more movie

[copper hawk]

I love his freakouts

[clever swan]

but I think he's super over it

[opaque island]

isnt the suit he's in designed to constantly cause him pain and keep him weaker too so he cant overthrow the emperor

[frosty herald]

His suit is a life support suit

[opaque island]

yes but it also does the things i said

[clever swan]

I think i heard something like that once

[placid fiber]

I find having that +8 to the well buff durations to get he most use from putting it on when I get to elysium... but I haven't gotten to the point where I need to use good curio setups or I will just insta die

[opaque island]

sure it keeps him alive, but also weaker

[frosty herald]

Hes strong but the emperor is a genuine freak of nature in the force

A rare defect as a sith where hes extremely powerful

Imagine a mace windu cameo in jedi 3

[clever swan]

he's the true Mary Sue of the verse

Gary Stu I guess

[grizzled aspen]

I never have the money for those.

Or I get bad ones.

[placid fiber]

I somehow got Thesius to half health BEFORE I finished off the minotaur, this time, due to the auto aim on my call lol

And the splash damage on my zeus special boon...

I had to purposefully charm thesius over and over while I finished the minotaur off :\

[placid fiber]

Well, when I get lucky I can do something like throw this on when I get to the last area before switching my keepsake... that healing comes in clutch in the tunnesl

[opaque island]

the idea i got is apparently just a legends thing, so no longer canon

[placid fiber]

Granted... I probably didn't need that with the omega fast aphrodite call that I have, tbh

[frosty herald]

[placid fiber]

This super fast aphrodite call has let me absolutely bull Hades, in 2 of my recent runs >:3

[frosty herald]

I like the canon more

[clever swan]

to be fair Palpatine can one shot vader BECAUSE of his suit

[placid fiber]

I still find it hilarious that I can full auto the special on the rama bow aspect

[frosty herald]

Theres no reason for the emperor to weaken his attack dog when hes alot stronger

[opaque island]

true, turns out life support systems dont like lightning

[clever swan]

Palpatine doesn't have to weaken him, just shock him until his suit dies

[placid fiber]

It would be like if I could spam throw knives in darktide like... 5x faster than you can

[clever swan]

Disney is scared of Kyle Katarn and it shows

[opaque island]

kyle no longer exists wdym

[clever swan]

that's why theyre afraid

or proof they're afraid

[opaque island]

is kyle legends only? or still canon?

[frosty herald]

Now that star wars is getting a new director some shows will be non canon

[clever swan]

legends only p sure

[frosty herald]

Like acolyte

[clever swan]

Kyle's role as the death star plan stealer was stolen by rogue one

[stable cypress]

we all know how upset people would be if rogue one was no longer canon

[clever swan]

imagine spending likely nearly 100 mil on a TV show and it gets uncanoned in a couple years cuz it sucked

[frosty herald]

Rogue one is actusly good

[clever swan]

I fell asleep watching rogue one in theaters

but I should give it another chance, maybe I was just regarded or tired

[frosty herald]

Acolyte should be made non canon asap cause that entire show is so dumb

[fleet zealot]

star wars is dumb

so idc

[frosty herald]

No you cant bleed a kyber crystal accidentaly

[clever swan]

lightsabers you

[fleet zealot]

legends was dumb, disney era is dumb

[plucky gate]

i still never watched the third movie in the rey trilogy

[fleet zealot]

just embrace the cringe

[plucky gate]

the second movie was so bad it put me off

[frosty herald]

You have to take it out of the saber to bleed it

[clever swan]

YOU KNOW WHAT? FERRETS ARE DUMB. BROS CANT EVEN DO ALGEBRA

I just want star wars galaxies 2 (would likely be one of the most expensive games ever if done true justice), star wars jedi knight jedi outcast 3, and star wars battlefront 3

is that so wrong

[stable cypress]

yes

[frosty herald]

Battlefront 3 aint ever happening

[opaque island]

rogue one was good the rest were meh

[opaque island]

😢

[clever swan]

something like battlefront 3 will probably happen one day

maybe they'll name it merely Battlefront again

[frosty herald]

Jedi 3 will probably be amazing

[clever swan]

grrr dark souls combat game taking up time/releases/budget that jedi knight could have had

[frosty herald]

It is the most popular star wars game atm

[clever swan]

not a whole lot of star wars games being made tbh

[placid fiber]

It never fails... I somehow find this in the 2nd or 3rd tunnel... even when I am wanting to try to save the fountain for after I do more rooms... :\

[formal umbra]

I'm just waiting for andor season 2 to drop so I can finally let go of star wars completely

[violet hornet]

I made my handle for playing Jedi academy

[clever swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544034067855966230/1332211601096314930/oWYSI8r.gif

[violet hornet]

Nar shadaa my beloved

[frosty herald]

Kotor 3 is dead in the water too

[stable cypress]

good, it would've been shit anyways

[placid fiber]

Oh well... I accidentally gave up on the run I had done earlier to finish up the heat 3 bow... so I am not worried about stacking up extra stuff, I just want this done, damnit

[clever swan]

they really should do jedi knight. seems like it'd be popular as hell? it's like a boomer shooter with magical powers......

[placid fiber]

I was just at the start of the area where the shop and tunnels were as well(at the last area) when I accidentally canceled that run...

[stable cypress]

I've just accepted that kotor 2 is the last interesting star wars media that'll ever be made

[clever swan]

star wars fans are the biggest star wars detractors these days smh

[placid fiber]

I may not be a great Hades player, due to my poor eyesight... but this omega fast call charge time + aphrodite call can carry a deaf dumb and stupid player... and I am much better than a deaf dumb and stupid player... I am only stubborn and somewhat blind >_>'

[stable cypress]

new jedi knight could be cool but I'd be surprised if they put it out

[clever swan]

I bet the kids these days would hate it for some reason anyway even if it was basically a doom eternal-like with lightsabers

[formal umbra]

Genuinely a majority of the fans are walking tar pits I cannot stand being around a SW community

[stable cypress]

arena shooter style would work well for jedi knight at least

[violet hornet]

Honestly I do think Jedi knight 2/3 hold up well today

[stable cypress]

yeah they're good games

[copper hawk]

Hate sequel..

Hate prequel..

[violet hornet]

Would do well to have some updates to movement rules ofc but the core gameplay needs little adjustment for today's crowd

[clever swan]

civvie made a video a bit ago about jedi outcast. he loved it it seemed

[copper hawk]

I am a mr plinkett acolyte

[formal umbra]

Watch andor btw

[copper hawk]

Every1 seen andor ,,

[hard nexus]

i haven’t finished it

[stable cypress]

I've heard its good but idc

[violet hornet]

/r/saltierthankrait

[formal umbra]

It's the only sw thing I care about anymore

I'd like Jedi knight tho

Gimme another

[copper hawk]

What was that anime they did

[placid fiber]

Okay I love special spam on the rama bow aspect

[formal umbra]

Visions

[copper hawk]

The each episode different animator

Yah

[violet hornet]

Honestly they need to make the movie battles 2 mod for JA into a fully fledged game

[copper hawk]

Y not give us a fuckin star wars anime

Some of them visions shit was fire

[violet hornet]

Would absolutely mop the floor of other star wars games

[formal umbra]

Honestly I like visions because it's not canon so they can do whatever they want

[placid fiber]

It has longer range than on the 2nd bow aspect, it doesn't need the attack to hit an enemy to aim towards them... and it is extremely accurate(and works extremely well with zeus on special)

[violet hornet]

The trigger episode was 🔥

[clever swan]

that's basically what battlefront is except way more arcadey

[violet hornet]

You like lightsabers cleaving things? Let's cleave a fuckin star destroyer in half

[violet hornet]

I feel like mb2 maps had a little more unique flavor to them than battlefront maps but it might be rose tinting

[formal umbra]

Should I go get boba today

[placid fiber]

It doesn't matter which weapon gets the hunger thing, in Hades 1... I am pretty much always looking forward to using any one of the 6 weapons. :3

[clever swan]

I never really played mb2 cuz i just got owned so hard and didn't care to learn

[frosty herald]

I find it funny that they use the flickering lightsaber technique in newer star wars content

Cause its seen as a very cowardly move

[violet hornet]

The learning cliff was brutal and it didn't help that saber combat worked entirely differently than the base game or that ranged weapons hit way harder

Me with a lightsaber getting my ass beat by a battle droid using bare hands

[frosty herald]

Assault champion leak in sm2

[formal umbra]

Hell yes

Loyalists getting a topknot before black legion I have to laugh

[frosty herald]

I love the falconry glove

[formal umbra]

Yeah

||white scars|| rule so goddamn hard

[delicate shadow]

found the average zelchatter

[frosty herald]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/Spacemarine/comments/1jatixb/some_blood_angels_successors_i_dug_from_pts/||

Flesh tearers and death company is so beautiful

[formal umbra]

YESSSSS

[visual stream]

Not to be confused with Flesh Eaters, who don't eat flesh but Flesh Tearers do

[frosty herald]

Blood drinkers

[distant yoke]

Bile sippers

[median steeple]

baby im praying on you tonight

https://tenor.com/view/icardi-warwick-lol-gif-17974123331657248263

[grizzled aspen]

Hydralite and I think chimera jerky are the only 2 good items, imo.

Hydralite is that thing there, chimera jerky is potential heal on kill.

Like enemies drop a sandwich.

[placid fiber]

Personally I like the attack damage, special damage(if my special does damage), chance of health drop on kill, healing when entering room, and bonus armor damage... the backstab damage is also nice, if I have extra capital. They are even more worth it when they last 14 encounters... I've had some of them last and still be active when I fought hades, before. :3

Maybe not very often, due to me liking to full clear the tunnels sometimes... but still

[placid fiber]

Frog, can you guess which fury I got based on this: "M-m-murder... murder"

[grizzled aspen]

Tisiphone!

I like fighting her more than Meg and obviously more than Alecto.

[placid fiber]

She gets me sometimes(I mean hits me, not kills me lol) cuz I sometimes forget her dash attack does a 2nd dash

Welp she's dead lol

I brought the zagrius aspect of the sword this time, and made sure I got athena in the 1st room for deflact on attack

[placid fiber]

Oh this shop thing is pretty handy, as well, since it's a 100 dollery doo +25 max hp thingy

I've gotten maybe 100-150 bonus max hp from random shop items giving me that and buying centaur hearts when offered in a run >.>

[twin wagon]

@acoustic dune GRANDFATHER CALLS

[grizzled aspen]

I have never seen a centaur heart in one of those.

[frosty herald]

Unironically beats artian hunting horns

[twin wagon]

Pairing it with the resounding melody to just keep extending buffs, kinda funny when your allies keep INHALING damage and not dying

[placid fiber]

Really? I check them every time one of them pops up... granted I also haven't used any of the +coin cost heat settings so I am able to get away with a lot of shopping...

[plucky gate]

They're not that rare

i see them like every 5 fountains maybe

[placid fiber]

Rng saying: Hold my beer.

[clever swan]

@frosty herald how am i supposed to know what charge blade i have out if the two artian charge blades i have equipped seem to be visually identical?

[frosty herald]

The voices in your head

Also

Saber interactive is developing kotor 3

So the game might actualy be good

[clever swan]

[frosty herald]

Why would you use 2 charge blades

[clever swan]

because im too lazy to learn anything else so i guess i might as well have another charge blade (like a sleep one)

[twin wagon]

Have a hunting horn to buff urself

or a heavy bowgun to apply status

[placid fiber]

Welp I chose 2 random boons to be upgraded from eurydice... she upgraded my purple athena attack to legendary and my purple athena bronze skin to legendary... nice

[frosty herald]

Nerscylla sleep chargeblade

It has the best design

[spare burrow]

any easy method for getting the find their weakness? it seems to not be racking up slowly over timje for me lol

also does it need to be my own grenades?

thats might be wihy

[placid fiber]

I'm not sure how much extra damage I got, but, iirc the dr was 11.7%/11.8% and now it is 14.7%... and every little bit of extra dr helps <.<

Oh boy, I got the omega fast 1 bar cast.. but with zeus this time

[hearty nebula]

yucky...

[placid fiber]

I have a strong feeling twiddle dee and twiddle dum(the elysium boss duo) will be a lot more annoying since I don't have aphrodite's call this time.

[delicate shadow]

it gets worse

shit's so fuckin' ugly

[hearty nebula]

what the fuck is that monstrosity

WHY DOES IT HAVE A VERTICAL FOREGRIP

WHO DESIGNED THIS

[placid fiber]

Nevermind Zeus' lightning still makes pretty short work of them

[delicate shadow]

it's so ugly idk how it got approval lol

[obsidian prairie]

To be fair that helmet is as old as dirt

[delicate shadow]

and not even a 40k style "cool ugly" it's just ugly ugly

[broken walrus]

I read that as foreskin....I need to get off the internet...

[sullen forge]

I haven't touched SM2 since like what last year?

Lamenters coming yet?

[placid fiber]

... lol the random hammer trade off gave me cursed slash and this thing for my attack's final combo attack...

[formal umbra]

Yeah that's space wolves all right

[median steeple]

yeah

[sullen forge]

holy fucking peak

now I have 2 favorite chapters in the game!

[misty helm]

soon TM

they've been datamined but not announced

[misty nova]

Assault Boltgun or something

No no

Scratch that

Bolt Carbine

[misty helm]

not even the most cursed bolter i've ever seen

there's a Bolter under...... all this shit

huh, I only just learned Necromunda Hired Gun was made by the same devs as Space Marine 2 🤔

[carmine falcon]

nope

same publisher but not the same devs

[placid fiber]

Welp I managed to trade out zeus' call for athena's which, since I had the cursed sword, basically meant I was more or less immortal against hades unless I really really fucked up >.>

[obtuse garnet]

woof

[placid fiber]

Super fast recharing invuln + healing on attack... that was about as challneging as the lucifer run I had earlier where I was constantly charming hades while blasting him from afar

[polar nexus]

GUID: 63c15db5-ae2a-456b-ab86-1b144ddec3b6
Log File:
Info Type:

[Script Error]: scripts/utilities/attack/critical_strike.lua:36: attempt to index local 'buff_extension' (a nil value)

is it one of my mod?

[broken walrus]

seducing dad

[frosty herald]

the space wolves thunder hammer looks so cool

[placid fiber]

Not exactly the wording I would have used, but, I guess...? Charming him into standing there and letting me wail on him for 1-1.5 seconds... and interrupting any attack he was doing like if he started charging up da laser...

[delicate shadow]

🐺 🥛

[obtuse garnet]

Dang it

[fleet zealot]

2nd game of warhammer40k on tabletop sim

i played black templars,

enemy friend was expecting me to run a melee army

I rolled up with 5 black templar exclusive tanks and 3 tech marines

i won turn one halfway through my shooting phase and he surrendered

[misty nova]

Classic

[hidden grove]

bestest mael class

[obsidian prairie]

Oh I did see you

[hidden grove]

oh shit were you in the game

[obsidian prairie]

It was an I-II and I was playing Branx gunlugger (like shit, Branx is not good for ragers)

[misty nova]

(weak Aura)

[hidden grove]

ah probably another game then, this one it was a flex of duo and trio, pubs were leaving everytime they go down

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah it was definitely another game, I was just unsure if it was actually you or some other vect

[copper hawk]

Eekum bookum

[misty nova]

https://youtu.be/kfoFphyckWk?si=eMO6zRKcuzIJRq-C

[opal star]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-to-a-wall-gif-752399302353639194

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-invincible-war-animation-sakuga-movement-gif-8588046742884701555

[obtuse stirrup]

How is the mark 12 anyway? It sounds like it's just rashad but worse horde clear, better single target or something?

I've only really used the mark 4

[sterile stone]

The plasma sniper from necromunda looked neat

Same with the 6 barrel minigun

Shame we ain't ever gonna see em

[frosty herald]

Necromunda is its own IP

[sterile stone]

You don't say

https://tenor.com/view/miss-jay-jay-tyra-antm-americas-next-top-model-gif-4040226487718382132

[placid fiber]

Even poseidon's call is really useful with the only up to 1 bar super fast charging call. I was able to still chain 2 hits in 1 use several times during the fight against Hades

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/reflc-invincible-oliver-conquest-conquest-invincible-gif-12335895125418942383

[placid fiber]

I had gilgamesh so I was able to proc the +damage taken +damage dealt before using the call very time, which added up quite a lot >.>

[sterile stone]

Das brutal

Bro got taken out by the 5 finger filet

[tame sluice]

the light attacks one shot ragers from full health

and stunlock bulwarks/crushers

er wait no that's the Mk IV

for the 12 it's the heavies that do that instead

[misty nova]

https://x.com/AniRave/status/1900541808016245239?s=19

Anime Rave (@AniRave) on X

🚨 TV Anime "Dungeon Meshi" SEASON 2 IS OFFICIALLY IN PRODUCTION!

More Information to be revealed in the future.

X · Mar 14, 2025, 1:37 PM

[delicate shadow]

copper utensils my beloved

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/love-live-static-hanamaru-kunikida-hero-gif-26329090

[grizzled aspen]

• coin cost heat makes things in those wells like 60-90 a pop.

[acoustic dune]

why nnot silvwe?

are you a werewolf?

[delicate shadow]

I ate all my silverware

[plush estuary]

hungry

[placid fiber]

Yeah, I just haven't wanted to use those ones yet... On a side note... I have a lucifer run that starts with a hammer that has the infinite ammo one. >.>'

[grizzled aspen]

I dont even know what the aspects of Exagryph do.

[placid fiber]

Now all I need is zeus on attack

[north sedge]

Guess what stan was confused about

[placid fiber]

It's da beam version with the ball special that you shoot to blow it up

[zinc talon]

I can oneshot anything short of a field boss with it

[violet hornet]

dayumn 3veg and civi back to back? tonight is bumpin

[north sedge]

Aspect of lucifer? Hated that one despite the art direction being cool

[zinc talon]

it's a little weak on its disengages

and it tempts you into tunnel vision for beeg numbars beeg playyy

so you can find yourself over your head more easily than other weapons

[plucky gate]

same

idk i think it might just suck

i played it once for the achievement and never again

[fleet zealot]

it's very boring

and less flexible than mk4

[obtuse stirrup]

Yeah, I feel like Mark 4 is the fun stuff

[fleet zealot]

heavy being your horde clear and lights being your single target is just better for a chain weapon

[obtuse stirrup]

the fact that you can do a heavy revved swing with it kind of seems to take away the luster of the 12

lustre?

lustererere?

[fleet zealot]

cause you can still rev heavy on mk4, but you can also just, light spam if you don't have fotf up

not having a sweeping PA also hurts

[obtuse stirrup]

even the revved lights are nice too

sometimes

[fleet zealot]

mk4 PA is basically another heavy with more stagger

[obtuse stirrup]

you can really play with what you do based on your HT/Slaughterer/Martyrdom stacks

[fleet zealot]

so you got a ton of attacks with okay to great stagger, lights, heavies and PAs and of course revv'd attacks

[obtuse stirrup]

that feeling of building momentum is amazing

[fleet zealot]

meanwhile mk12 PA is a fucking stab

sure there are probably situations where it would be useful but i just don't find it as useful

having only lights to clear space around you feels terrible

[copper hawk]

stab w an axe

w no stabbing implement..

interestin..

[fleet zealot]

i mean it as the chainsaw part on top too

it just

bleh?

[placid fiber]

Oh sweet I got the zeus on attack with this infinite ammo beam, now I'm at least cooking luke warm instead of ice cold! >:3

[open echo]

whats the best way to get weapon mastery again

i forgor

[carmine falcon]

buy a lot of greys

upgrade em to green

sacrifice greens

all from the same weapon type

[placid fiber]

Either get a halfway decent statted weapon from melk and do runs or buy a bunch of brunts versions, upgrade to green, then sacrifice for mastery

[open echo]

@copper hawk goober, is it worth going unamored on relic

[acoustic dune]

play the game

[gray ice]

i thank every god i don't believe in that it's friday

how's we doin

[acoustic dune]

its saturday

[gray ice]

do not take this from me

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/rogal-dorn-no-gif-26277760

[hexed igloo]

The fuck kinda question is this youtube

[gray ice]

Don't make me come over there

[acoustic dune]

jokes on you

i am lonely

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[hard nexus]

mk12 chaxe PA can saw, somehow

there’s a small spike so the stab makes a little sense

but the sawing does not

[hushed knoll]

HI ILY

[pale spindle]

I'll be your friend

[sullen forge]

Congratulations to Veteran-II for surviving longer than the first one

[copper hawk]

Idk

[copper hawk]

Idk !

[hard nexus]

no

[opaque island]

im pogging out of my mind

[deep marsh]

Blaze force sword best perks and blessings.

[sullen forge]

Flak + elite iirc

I just know you dont use Unarmored

[deep marsh]

First time using the the thing.

[deep marsh]

How about blessings

[sullen forge]

Cranial + Rampage
Cranial + Wrath (Havoc)

[open echo]

is anyone else having issues with crosshair remap (the continued one) just not working?, i assume most people use it but idk

[deep marsh]

XD wrong class channel

[hard nexus]

very few weapons take unarmored

[plush estuary]

usually only weapons with BM

[hard nexus]

zarona revolver, rashad, maybe taxe

uhhm

[plush estuary]

plsama

[carmine falcon]

why flak on relic it already eats them

i put carpace

[hard nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130953226611597413/1350150436891394159/TruthNuke.gif

[open echo]

its loading fine aswell :(

[hard nexus]

idk

yo mama

[carmine falcon]

joe mater

[hard nexus]

relic needs an unpowered ADM nerf

because mk2 l1 having an adm of 1 against all but carapace is just

insane

[carmine falcon]

i feel like all the KRAJY RELIC DMG clips ive seen are just mk2 uppercuts

i cant deal the same dmg with mk10

[hard nexus]

and lumi would still say that mk10 is explicitly better in all ways

lmfao

[delicate shadow]

here's the thing

uppercuts are cool

[hard nexus]

nothing of value was lost

also true!

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-marvel-rivals-here's-the-thing-marvel-rivals-gif-10489918399175350285

[delicate shadow]

and being cooler=more damage

it's just science

[hard nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130953226611597413/1350150436891394159/TruthNuke.gif

[carmine falcon]

mk10 is only better for me because its borderline brain off gameplay so less chances of fucking up

[hard nexus]

true

[carmine falcon]

when i LOCK IN i wipe the entire room better with mk2

[hard nexus]

light spam literally everything

[hard nexus]

it’s got slightly worse horde clear but that’s really it

[carmine falcon]

light spam everything except carpace
heavy attack and poke carpace

[full nebula]

I just got downed by a direct hit from a gas nade. Toughness was broken because of pox gas

[carmine falcon]

crazy

[hard nexus]

single target is better

[carmine falcon]

i down crushers and maulers faster with mk2

[hard nexus]

yeah

idk relic needs nerfs

[carmine falcon]

also mk2 is just mroe engaging

[hard nexus]

ds needs nerfs

so many nerfs r needed

[carmine falcon]

but i still paly 10 more cause i dig it

[hard nexus]

i’m digging in yo mama

[full nebula]

They should do tons of small adjustments to lots of the weapons instead of making shit so broken or handicapped

[delicate shadow]

TRU

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-into-space-liz-birdsworth-wentworth-thinking-staring-blankly-gif-22820474

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/hypnosis-gif-20354324

oooo you want to let me onto the playtesters oooooo

[carmine falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/memri-tv-shoe-gif-13832699

[delicate shadow]

like we need a shitload of nerfs and a shitload of buffs elsewhere, big ol' fuck off balance overhaul

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-10358727387988033923

[hard nexus]

yeah but nerfs would mean possibility of review bomb

soo

they won’t happen for a while lmfao

so all i can ask for is weapons to be made useful

(evis)

(please)

(pleaaasseeee)

[delicate shadow]

my hope would be nerfs can be intermixed with buffs and sold as a rebalancing effort that's overall positive

[hard nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314729061402021889/1318071119328186479/STARDANCINGG.gif

[hard nexus]

yeah but people like tanner will still say it’s a net negative, like the ogryn rework video saying that it’s “not all that”

(it’s literally just massive buffs that make ogryn a better zealot)

[broken walrus]

If they spread out chain weapon special dmg over the whole duration instead of a burst at the end, I would gib Sharky boy so much money

[hard nexus]

fuck ogryn gets duelist LOL

[carmine falcon]

you guys need to remember that a lot of guys (like me) got the game after everything was busted
just outright nerfing shit would just make the game feel worse
it should be gradual and provided with alternative
gut the crutches and provide viable less broken alternatives
also "casuals" hate any nerfs soooooo i dont really envy the balance team

[delicate shadow]

be careful what you wish for

(this will hopefully happen)

[hard nexus]

WHY ARE YOU AND COLE BOTH SAYING THAT

RAHH

https://tenor.com/view/wolp-combat-wolf-gif-8373753437480012599

[delicate shadow]

at least, we know it's something that everyone wants

[hard nexus]

oh speaking of cole

[spare talon]

his response to the havoc changes was "it doesnt matter its still going to be trivialized by flamers and chorus"

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[spare talon]

i wonder if he noticed that enraged enemies explicitly become immune to all CC when enraged

[hard nexus]

CC immune enemies getting trivialized by CC

pinnacle of intelligence

[delicate shadow]

yea I still haven't gotten to really dig into the ogryn changes because busy but I'm lowkey kinda worried it's gonna be more powercreep

[carmine falcon]

i dont understand this mindset

use busted abilities
Game is easy
complain

[delicate shadow]

like I know people will say "well it's not as strong as X so it's not powercreep" even though that's literally how powercreep works

[spare talon]

because he is locked into the mindset that you have to use the best thing no matter what

[carmine falcon]

why?

its a pve game

AGAINST BOTS

USE WHAT'S FUN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[delicate shadow]

at the very least ogryn will defo be more fun to play, so there's that

[spare talon]

because you have to use the best thing

[carmine falcon]

.....

actually true

reminds me of that guy in reginald's comment section

[spare talon]

the heavy ball

[carmine falcon]

talking about how its about titles and accomplishments

and glory? or someshit

idk bro thought he was conquering constantinople

[delicate shadow]

glory in my niche 5k player game

[carmine falcon]

also like

darktide isnt even a ranked type game

[violet hornet]

and vets are still forgotten

[hard nexus]

havoc 80! just one rework away!

[hard nexus]

deserved

[delicate shadow]

just one more rework bro I swear balance will be fixed if we just do one more round of all buff reworks

[carmine falcon]

dont worry read ogryn playtesters talking about their ideas for zealot and you'll be happy

[hard nexus]

i will forever hope that zealot blitz are made into throwing weapons

it’d be so cool

[hard nexus]

yeah i’ve heard :(

[carmine falcon]

i mentioned it before here and i might seem like im seething at something that doesnt exist but naaahhh

[hard nexus]

they act like zealot is the best class in the game lmfao

[sterile stone]

Nah bro you don't understaaand bro

I gotta get my ego any way I can brooo

[carmine falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/beating-cristi-memri-gif-25663599

[carmine falcon]

they hate until death and duelist so much

jealous im telling ya

jk guys im not seething haha

[hard nexus]

seeing a playtester say that zealot needs to be shot and gutted when ogryn rework and psyker rework EXIST is insane

[hard nexus]

(ogryn is literally getting duelist)

[delicate shadow]

Duelist does need nerfing is the thing right, but also like, a lot of the zel tree needs tweaking and buffing up

[carmine falcon]

a good psyker literally makes me want to leave the game but until death is a problem

[hard nexus]

yeah, this picture even EXISTING is a massive problem

[carmine falcon]

sure but not heavy nerf, why? it makes me kill armor with heavy sword

[sterile stone]

Balancng a pve game is always gonna be a uphill battle cause you have the vast majority of the player base which are fucking brain dead, then you have the sweaty no lifes who only play the game and want as much ball crushing shit as possible.

[hard nexus]

duelist should just be set to like 30%, and it’s fine

[hard nexus]

true

[delicate shadow]

yea doesn't need to be nerfed into the dirt, just made reasonable

[sterile stone]

The nolifes make up like a fraction of a fraction of the game's player base.

But they shout the loudest.

[hard nexus]

second wind is fine, maybe nerfed down to 10% instead of 15%, but it’s fine otherwise

the main issue is that zealot has no other effective toughness gen for how zealot plays

[pale spindle]

U forgot about the ego trippers on YouTube who spread misinformation

[sterile stone]

There's this too...

[delicate shadow]

the other hard part of balancing a pve game is every man and their dog has a different balancing philosophy and very skewed perspectives on what's what based on personal experiences/anecdote

[carmine falcon]

true which is why i just think they should make the player feel strong and make the diffs harder gradually
take drg (i shill it a lot)
levels 1 to 4 are the chill zone
5 is tough but gets easy once you're good
their solution was not gutting the strong weapons but introducing double modifiers and modded diffs ect
make it kinda skill based

[hard nexus]

what if EWEW was changed to generate based on how many enemies were targeting you

that’d be neat i think

rather than distance

[delicate shadow]

DT also has this weird shit going on of like...class warfare? so many people mald about classes they don't play/like

[pale spindle]

I don't understand why the youtube community is soo toxic

This isn't league

[hard nexus]

zealot is best psyker is worst basically im right

[delicate shadow]

and then base balancing opinions on that bizzaro bias

[hard nexus]

(ogryn players wanting zealot gutted, vet players wanting zealot gutted.. hmm noticing a trend here..)

[carmine falcon]

i dont understand why this game has inifighting in the fanbase in the first place it has like 5k players

[delicate shadow]

everyone wants zealot gutted because everyone hates knife speedrunners

[delicate shadow]

there's literally nothing else to it

[hard nexus]

the hate is based off of a very small amount of zealot players

[delicate shadow]

hell everyone thought chorus was dogshit before havoc released

[hard nexus]

because speedrunners are noticeable

[hard nexus]

tbf it was

now it just had an excuse to be used

i still think chorus should be reworked

[plush estuary]

and psyker players not knowinghow broken their class is

[delicate shadow]

what I'm saying is the balance of it didn't actually change, it got a usecase and now people want it nerfed

[plush estuary]

I got told that smite and infinite cleave are bad

[hard nexus]

true!

[north sedge]

they should rework zealot (move 3 nodes ala ogryn)

[sterile stone]

I remember every paste eater saying smokes were bad

Then surprise surprise

That shit is actually useful

[hard nexus]

infinite cleave isn’t actually good because it stops on bulwark shields (unless it’s trauma) but trust me it’s bad

[plush estuary]

True

[delicate shadow]

psykers tend to not realise how busted they are because they're a self-limiting factor

can't be overpowered when you suck at melee and can't keep a number below 100% despite having a giant fucking indicator on screen at all times

[spare talon]

flamer trauma and purg all go through shields lmao

[carmine falcon]

if the balance team decides to gut the strong abilities that make zealot feel like zealot then they better cook up entire new talents that provide a viable alternative
do not ruin the classe's identity and playstyle
i want to be a tanky berserker and you wont take that away from me

[plush estuary]

DS was balanced on psyker because it doesnt have until death

[hard nexus]

they burn the bulwark but they don’t cleave past it (except trauma)

[spare talon]

pebcak

[plush estuary]

more than half of psyker bealive that

"pysker cant melee"

psyker

[delicate shadow]

it's like how people somehow think golden toughness is still ok because "well you need it in havoc" (you don't but I digress) and it's like dude havoc exists the way it does because the game has been playing catch up and failing since the P13 powercreep bonanza

[carmine falcon]

hey jamie pull up scrier's gaze clutch compliation

they cant into melee btw

[plush estuary]

I'm probably the #1 user of DS on melee psyker

[hard nexus]

a good player with FGS turns the game off worse than smite lmfao

[plush estuary]

post humans get DS

[hard nexus]

i knew u were a ds crutch…

[plush estuary]

true

[delicate shadow]

force greatsword is insanely strong

[carmine falcon]

u dont even need fgs
the obscurus or whatever literally 2 taps a crusher

psyker being weak in melee is a myth

[delicate shadow]

deimos?

[hard nexus]

both deimos and obscurus

[delicate shadow]

and yeah all the force swords are hella strong, DS is busted af

[hard nexus]

obscurus H1 does about the same, maybe more than deimos h2

[delicate shadow]

psyker has never been hurting for melee options for a long ass time now

[carmine falcon]

people just wanna play staff and ignore psyker's other gameplay builds (guns and melee)

[delicate shadow]

pretty much illisi release onwards

like I hate to be a havoc hater™️ but while that mode does introduce more challenge it's also really shifted the overton window of balancing in a way that's ever more in favour of powercreep

because now shit's gotta be H40 viable

[spare talon]

i disagree

not in the sense that its shifting the windo

but the fact that things have to be h40 viable

[hard nexus]

nothing should be h40 viable

u should have to be extremely good to use weapons in h40

[spare talon]

where was that response i made on the f*rums

The game isnt balanced around havoc, havoc is balanced around itself.

The most havoc does for game balance is show everyone just how much of an outlier things are across the entire game and that they may need to be reigned in. But the actual balance itself for these things and others still is done on the damnation level.

If people are talking about the fact that xyz should be buffed becaus it cant do abc in havoc, they can talk into a void

[delicate shadow]

yeah maybe not h40 viable but people are looking at well above auric damn for a baseline now from what I've seen as of late

[carmine falcon]

what's the point of build variety if only select few weapons can be used comfortably (unless you're a god)

[pale spindle]

Ah so skill diff?

[hard nexus]

h40 is meant to be the hardest difficulty in the game

it’s meant to be bullshit

it’s not accessible on purpose

[carmine falcon]

fair enough ig

[spare talon]

ok but wheres my quickplay

[zinc talon]

I dislike havocs past a certain level

[spare talon]

why i cant i quickplay into it fatshark

[zinc talon]

they get harder in a way that's hard to prepare and predict for

so you just get darktided by say firing squads

[carmine falcon]

tho why cant the diff be more based on stuff that tests your skills and game knowledge instead of dps checks

[zinc talon]

and it's just. sorry no ranged toughness whatever rule applies

just that one thign

[spare talon]

why cant i quickplay into the crush your balls mode with mutators that may favor a specific build or team comp

[delicate shadow]

I mean havoc's difficulty curve is the way it is because it's really the only way to make shit challenging for the current state of balance

[zinc talon]

I'm not griping I just mean past a certain rank havocs cease being fun and become negatively stressful

[delicate shadow]

and even now they're still having to spice it up more

[spare talon]

it really does suck that the actual meat of whats making it harder wasnt even in the dev blog

[zinc talon]

it doesn't feel like a huge victory at the end cuz you triumphed over the evils of whocares

[carmine falcon]

honestly less about balance and more about the players who been playing since beta and literally mastered the game
i friended bunch of people like this and let's just say they can beat the "normal" game with their hands tied behind their backs

[zinc talon]

it feels like you worked a shift

[carmine falcon]

there are people like here too in this very server

[zinc talon]

and the only gain is 'another havoc 40 run how many is that now'

also what's with those mutators anyway

[delicate shadow]

I've seen people beat H40 that really aren't all that great as players tho, they just grinded it out (or got carried but that's besides the point)

[zinc talon]

they've stayed the same the entire time havoc's been up

emperor's fading light and somethin else

I thought they were supposed to rotate new challenge combinations

[delicate shadow]

like all the H40 meta stuff is stuff that's explicitly really braindead to play

[zinc talon]

valid

you build out to survive havoc 40s but you're not like. dynamic and varied in the mission

[pale spindle]

Me playing Infernus pistol every game because I can't trust my teamates to actually take out the gunners:

[zinc talon]

there's no nuance

which. fine I spose

[delicate shadow]

and it's like...oh all the most overpowerd stuff also happens to require the fewest braincells to use

[hard nexus]

what is the meat?

[zinc talon]

I'd just like to do more of em but if it stays that one single combo of mutators I've had my fun with it yknow

[spare talon]

i cant say cuz it wasnt mentioned

[hard nexus]

ah

[pale spindle]

Idk if Infernus pistol is "meta" 💀

[zinc talon]

hopefully not

let's see some branching and stand out styles

[tawny walrus]

Meat check

[spare talon]

its not the peak of the meta but its definitely near the top

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/lashes-gif-24544945

ok how about now

[delicate shadow]

(he can't say)

[spare talon]

its unyielding damage is unreal

[carmine falcon]

las pistol is up there with my fav guns too

reapers get nuked

[sterile stone]

It's gonna end up burning itself out

[carmine falcon]

bosses get nuked

[spare talon]

its on my taxe scriers psyker build and oops i just killed that reaper in 3 shots to the head

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/texting-phone-annoyed-pissed-throw-phone-gif-11330478

[carmine falcon]

100

[spare talon]

whoopsie haha

[carmine falcon]

100% accuracy against ranged targets

[tawny walrus]

I still got that tab open

[delicate shadow]

tbh any mode that's based on a ladder grind in a PVE romp with a small playerbase is kinda destined to have an expiry date

[spare talon]

what tab

[pale spindle]

Me when someone says: "we need a psyker not an Ogryn"

[spare talon]

the build>

?

[zinc talon]

see I thought with the mutator combos changing the dynamic of the level

[spare talon]

no you had it right with psyker bot

[zinc talon]

they could track just what the win % was combo to combo

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-cooked-hes-cooked-you're-cooked-ur-cooked-gif-16603214519610947661

[carmine falcon]

best thing about havoc is watching challenge run vids where people try to beat it without piss toughness shouts books and stuff

[zinc talon]

and start to save the lowest and highest

to bring back later

[tawny walrus]

Of the tax las pistol I'm just a little guy lantern build

[sterile stone]

I wish we could see a a percentage of people who've actually given enough of a fuck to actually hit havoc 30 or even go beyond.

[zinc talon]

that kinda rotation would breed huge repeat play

That One Mission that only 5% of parties completed is BACK AGAIN

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-nda-n-d-a-nondisclosure-agreement-cant-say-gif-13628170531162419063

[zinc talon]

or bring back mission setups based on total number of plays to gauge what the playerbase's favorites are

hell they could then tailor new content going forward from the results of the data

[delicate shadow]

idk what the data is on that actually, I'm curious too

[frozen crystal]

Oh, we know.

[misty nova]

That's crazy
Ain't no way that gif is real

[delicate shadow]

it wouldn't surprise me if H21 actively filters a shitload of people

[sterile stone]

I've not seen many people with a 40

[zinc talon]

i

[sterile stone]

Most number I've actively seen is like high 20s

[zinc talon]

I hit 40 but that was a while ago

and until they swap out the mission challeges I've had my fill of havocs

[sterile stone]

Which means any additional levels added to havoc isn't gonna even be fucking played by the majority of the playerbase at hand

[zinc talon]

so mine might have decreased or something idk

[tawdry hinge]

ds literally was from psyker and its not even psykers most busted wep rn

[spare talon]

yes it is

[delicate shadow]

like you'd have a mix of people who either aren't (yet) capable of getting beyond whichever havoc level and then you'd have people that just don't want to grind it

[tawdry hinge]

melee wep ye defo

[pale spindle]

Me getting true survivor on Recon Vet, doubling the damage of both Psykers:

[spare talon]

oh you meant overall

[tawdry hinge]

yes

[delicate shadow]

you'd also have quite a lot of people who do want to play it but don't have a group

[sterile stone]

I mean randoms are there if people are so inclined.

[zinc talon]

I love team synergies between talent builds like this

[sterile stone]

I got my TS and HF with randos

[pale spindle]

It was a PUB game too

[zinc talon]

yeah I may be doing less damage than the minmax edgelord setup

but my whole team is clearing these rooms 50% faster with me giving them those bonuses

[pale spindle]

No coms, just vibes

[zinc talon]

absolutely

[sterile stone]

But even then right

[zinc talon]

man sometimes you can mesh with a team so well that by the end you wanna invite em over right then for a beer

and not a word spoken

[sterile stone]

I doubt anyone that hasn't experiences the ladder end of havoc are even gonna give a fuck to even get that high

I mean it's been out for months now hasn't it?

[delicate shadow]

yea, it's been out for a while now

[carmine falcon]

pub games with team syngergies are just the absolute best and keep me playing this game almost every day

just beautiful

[sterile stone]

So what would make them care about things like additional levels added to havoc if they gave up on even trying to progess it ?

I'll say this right....

[delicate shadow]

good question! the answer is it wouldn't

[sterile stone]

End of the day, it's a live service game who's goal is player retention

Cause player retention makes money

Only way to make money is by making content a majority of the community enjoys.

[carmine falcon]

i wish the friends i shilled the game to stuck with darktide

[sterile stone]

That said, I wouldn't even call havoc a flop...

[carmine falcon]

they all found the leveling process too slow

[delicate shadow]

the new player experience in tide games has always been abysmal

[fleet zealot]

like a live service 🤓

/quantum joke

[delicate shadow]

lots of grind and hoops to jump through as well as a harsh learning curve because it's unlike anything else out there

[fleet zealot]

at least it's pretty straightforward

[delicate shadow]

if the gameplay doesn't hook you instantly, it's gonna be hard to stick with it

[carmine falcon]

i made like 5 people buy the game based on me shilling 24/7
they basically all stopped before or at reaching 30 cause they found "Getting to the good part" too slow and the game too confusing without guides

[fleet zealot]

no hunting for your legendary cape or to boost your legendary necklace or boost your legendary gear pieces, no need to farm different modes for different materials unique to said modes

[delicate shadow]

none of my irl friends finished out levelling in VT2 and I know a lot of people who also gave up on DT pretty early on

[fleet zealot]

i will say this is true

i gifted it to a friend and he doesn't even have it installed anymore

[tawny walrus]

Most modern games suffer from poor tutorials. They're stuck in 90s

[tawdry hinge]

darktide will either push you away or take over your life completely

[carmine falcon]

i even offered to explain everything with my shit knowledge

[sterile stone]

Right

And imagine adding harder content

[carmine falcon]

their loss because the gamepaly is one of a kind

[sterile stone]

That no one but like a fraction of people will ever get to play.

[zinc talon]

well harder content could be as simple as new attacks from the same enemies

[sterile stone]

Didn't we have this talk months ago?

[fleet zealot]

i mean tbf

[zinc talon]

that we don't have in our muscle memory

[sterile stone]

The average player is hardstuck malice/heresy?

[zinc talon]

that'd be fresh and new

[fleet zealot]

harder content in other games usually means "farm enough to statcheck it, maybe if you are a good player you can do it a bit earlier"

[zinc talon]

like that's the mean median mode center of the playerbase?

[delicate shadow]

my take has always been we should've just reigned in the powercreep and maybe bumped up auric damn enough to create a good challenging experiencing, maybe a havoc-like 6th difficulty tier at most.

I definitely didn't want a whole ass separate game mode I'ma be real

[zinc talon]

and what most people run law of large numbers?

yeah neither did I

didn't ask didn't want didn't play

[fleet zealot]

darktide is very much, you can have at least one bis loadout from leveling and be "havoc viable" if you followed a guide (as well as just being normal damn viable by default and auric damn isn't that much farther)

[sterile stone]

I just wanted the cosmetics ngl...

[zinc talon]

yeah I'm a lifer just for the cosmetics

[tawdry hinge]

i just want havoc to let me choose stuff

[zinc talon]

my cosmetics lists will be so long they'll crash the client

[fleet zealot]

tbf, i'm partially cracked out take

but they should double down on the randomness available

[sterile stone]

Nah being successful in the game goes beyond just your build...

[delicate shadow]

I'm kinda curious how much replay value havoc actually has in terms of player telemetry

like once people get their completions are they actually replaying it or is it a one and done type thing (I'm gonna reasonably assume for most people it's the latter)

[carmine falcon]

i legit still think auric is a nice tough experience with pubs
no comms, no real synergies, at least 1 awful player each lobby
go into those without insert busted ability and there'll be some challenge

[fleet zealot]

just let me quickplay for a difficulty even havoc 40, map and modifiers completely random

[sterile stone]

Game sense and spacial awareness play a big part in the game aswell.

[fleet zealot]

yes

[sterile stone]

I can have a nuke in my hands

[fleet zealot]

it's not like an MMO

[sterile stone]

Doesn't mean shit if I'm constantly pinned by a trapper or dog

[fleet zealot]

where most of the challenge is the grind

it's the gameplay

[pale spindle]

Me using the dumbest kickback build in existence and triple everyone else's damage:

[sterile stone]

Yeah but you also have gamesense

I've seen plenty of ogyns just stand still and think their shield is gonna take a burster explosion

Or not dodge a trapper net

Or just sprint into a horde of shooters

Then die...

Game sense and awareness are king in the higher difficulties.

[pale spindle]

Average Ogryn tanking the hits for the team:

[sterile stone]

Average ogryn being a brick and dying to anything with a pulse more like

[carmine falcon]

when you get grouped up with an ogryn you flip a coin

you'll either get carried by a god

or have no ammo and play with a lore accurate ogryn iq

[sterile stone]

Honestly the only thing worse than a bad ogryn is a bad psyker

At that point it's just a 3 man team playing the mission cause brodie is gonna be spending a majority of that match dead and being rescued

[pale spindle]

For better or for worse

Ogryn is always the best at what they do

Faceplanting onto the floor, or carrying the team on their back

[pale spindle]

I know what is worse than all of those:

Sometimes you miss those moments where people who suck at the game are trying their best

[sterile stone]

Nah I don't mind you being bad at the game, everyone has to learn somewhere...

I just wish people would stop trying to learn in MY matches.

[carmine falcon]

lobbies with players who arent good but trying feel more rewarding than lobbies with """"""goood"""" players who leave if u dont revive them within 5 seconds of them dying

[acoustic dune]

what is the buttom up to?

[sterile stone]

That's another annoying thing that will happen from time to time.

Musical chairs with teammates.

[pale spindle]

Had a team that just was getting swamped

Twice I picked them up

Twice I get them back into the game

[sterile stone]

That shit where 3 people will rage quit

Before we're either stuck witha bot

[pale spindle]

They told me: "wow you a real one, Thx"

[sterile stone]

Or the 4th just thugs it out and stays

[pale spindle]

Never left

Kept going

[acoustic dune]

we are fighting the ochestra>

?

[acoustic dune]

ok imma game

can someone carry me?

[pale spindle]

No

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-cat-banana-cat-crying-gif-15062598587219580285

[pale spindle]

I've been too busy playing ZZZ atm

I want to get back into Darktide tho when the Ogryn update drops

[acoustic dune]

zoster zunter zild?

[pale spindle]

Because the ZZZ communities are literally the most online people I have ever met

[sterile stone]

@spare talon Would love to

[sterile stone]

I thought that title belong to League players or WoW players

[acoustic dune]

playing you first gacha or smth?

speaking of which

me think i am gacha free for a year now

[pale spindle]

Nah I'm familiar with Gacha players

But ZZZ sorta is on another tier

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-enterprise-cv-6-keyboard-typing-gif-173866320933161168

maybe its time to play azur lane

i am missing out on the super rare and collab event

[pale spindle]

Something about HOYO games just grabs my attention, I can't quite get it 🤔

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-car-cat-meme-silly-cat-cat-silly-gif-9694107904953655063

i swear this channel is just animal posting channel

[pale spindle]

I can't find any videos on ZZZ that actually helps me play better

[acoustic dune]

you dont

[pale spindle]

I just wish the goon squads will chill out

[acoustic dune]

put enenmy in the game

[pale spindle]

It's all "gyaat" this or "simp" that

[pale spindle]

Tectone has a lot of dirt he refuses to clean

But then again

What streamer doesn't

How tf does this guy have a wife?

God tell me, I need to know

[sterile stone]

There's alot of strange people out there who have spouses

It's as the old saying goes

There's somebody for everybody

[pale spindle]

This reminds me of the guy who wrote: "rent a girlfirend" ☠️

[hearty nebula]

I totally get this cuz there's no reason why they should be adding a whole ass new gamemode because the core gameplay missions still have their problems, but on the other hand I'm a sucker for survival wave type stuff and have been craving a more arcadey gamemode

I'm glad to see it

[pale spindle]

Brother in Christ u have 2 kids, get your head out of the sand and come back to reality

You know what I would sacrifice for that finical security?

[brave cypress]

Havoc is such a awful gamemode because they haven't bothered to change certain weapons to even remotely make them useful in that mode

or a certain dueling sword shaped hole in the games balancing that just over performs against any enemy

[hexed igloo]

First you need to beat yo shit til it bleeds

[pale spindle]

Nah bruh I can't take weebs and their "2D is better than 3D" shit

Every morning I walk out of my apartment and I see people freezing to death trying to sleep on a cardboard cutt out

Yall don't know how precious life is

[acoustic dune]

coward

[sterile stone]

We need a forever winter collab, my vet needs Euruskan infantry armor

[acoustic dune]

2d and 3d can coeexist

[hexed igloo]

Boobs are boobs

[clever swan]

anime is fictional, of course it's better than irl

but the cutest girls are actually in real life, ive learned

[clever swan]

to say that the fictional world isnt better than this world is to betray the suffering of your cardboard homed brethren. in ideal anime world they would all be free and happy

[copper hawk]

our fav psycho

i was banned from his server

[pale spindle]

bruh what are you talking about? I've known literal Heroine addicts who are more grounded than this

[clever swan]

what are YOU talking about? acting as if it's insane to state that an idealized fictional world could be better than real life

[sterile stone]

@zinc talon Since when did they change Painless' ammo type to nitro express? Wasn't it .50 before?

[clever swan]

also no idea how homelessness or the other terrifying suffering in the world is an argument in favor of the real world

[pale spindle]

everyone wants to escape the pain of their lives, but you cant

you can't just call it quits whenever you want, if that was possible everyone would have done it by now 💀

You can't escape reality, it isn't just about you. If homeless people who literally have nothing can push thru living in the dirt everyday, what excuse do you have?

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693362593758445608/1303635098683445248/sleepyautumn__-_1854050821970768261.gif

[clever swan]

irrelevant

[pale spindle]

they dont have the luxury to just say "fuck it"

[clever swan]

no one is saying to somehow teleport to an anime world. no one is creating a new religion about trying to get to the anime world. no one's ideology/worldview is that they will one day get to the anime world.

all this is about is recognizing that the real world is absurdly heavily flawed and that a fictional world could be better. it isnt even really arguable. a fictional world COULD be better (it could even be worse)

[misty ravine]

Sounds like the new modifiers are gonna kill the DoT meta, it's dueling sword all the way down

[pale spindle]

what the fuck are you talking about?

there is only reality, nothing else

[clever swan]

also homeless people dont really uhh push trhrough living too well. that's why they're severely mentally ill/unstable and do hard drugs

[clever swan]

.....that's why it's called a fictional world. because it isnt real?

[acoustic dune]

propagandda

the cutest is ofcourse in my mind

[clever swan]

probably not

[acoustic dune]

telling me to run loner shroudfield

[clever swan]

oh, you right then actually

[acoustic dune]

what a quirky lass

[pale spindle]

the point im making that weebs want fictional worlds of underaged harems or whatever are bullshiting themselves, because if they were "happy" and "content" they wouldn't be constantly be using it as an outlet in the first place for their insecurities or loneliness

[clever swan]

no idea why you gotta keep bringing up children every time you think about anime

[acoustic dune]

evangelion

neon the genesis

[acoustic dune]

he forgot that the biggest anime demograthic are children

[pale spindle]

bruh all of the problems that show could have been solved if they literally just talked for like 5 minutes 💀

[acoustic dune]

why talk?

when you can get shinki into da mech

and now we have like 7 rerun or so

[pale spindle]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[acoustic dune]

or 5

idfk

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/no-evangelion-shinjiikari-gif-5881551

[clever swan]

i dont really understand it anyway. who says weebs are happy and who says that you need to be unhappy to recognize that another world would be awesome?

[grizzled aspen]

I will never forget the scene from Evangelion.

[clever swan]

also, you do realize that if we went to a newer, better, world, that we would quite literally save lives? like, the people who die right now would not die. people would be saved, etc

[pale spindle]

Shingi commited a crime 😔

[grizzled aspen]

Like, 7 crimes, actually.

[acoustic dune]

you gotta specify

[pale spindle]

I don't think it's clicking for you

[acoustic dune]

is it the coma one>

[grizzled aspen]

In the span of 5 minutes.

[pale spindle]

hopefully u get out of the slump

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[clever swan]

so it's a logical thing to want, dream about, fantasize about. you can tell people not to fantasize or dream but something tells me that you only reject it because of the word anime in the concept

[grizzled aspen]

That scene.

[pale spindle]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[acoustic dune]

ngl the manga version of evangelion

[clever swan]

i dont think it's clicking for YOU. why should the people dying in a basement right now be in there just so you can appreciate the roses irl?

[acoustic dune]

shinji was very based

[pale spindle]

I dont know how you are shifting the blame onto me to whatever melodrama you are making up

[clever swan]

how can you possibly talk about "making up" melodrama when it relates to the concept of literally changing reality

[acoustic dune]

tldr anime is a cool format

shut up

[clever swan]

that's the most contrived and forced worthless filler reddit-like response ive ever seen

[acoustic dune]

i watch stuff bc its pawsome

[clever swan]

"if we change reality then things would change a lot"

"wtf melodrama is THIS you're making up"