zealot-class

[spare burrow]

yeah just wanted to know since im mastering the random stuff i havnt yet

two birds and what not

[hard nexus]

it needs to be backstab kills

and chain weapons dont work with shroudfield

due to the rev being technically counted as a DOT

not damage from your actual weapon

(i THINK)

@sterile basalt is this right

i cannot rember

[royal vortex]

chain weapons simply do not work if the enemy is not facing you. they are all honor-bound

[grave cypress]

Another day another "How do you do any damage with that light sword it sucks"

devil claw users will never be understood despite how much they kill

[north sedge]

hablo espanol

[spare talon]

solo h40 attempts still fucking RUINED by honest to god bullshit

[fleet zealot]

knocked backed into a sniper

that's filthy

[spare talon]

the run was literally going so smooth

if i got it done on taxe

actual god gamer status

i was around 1.2m damage by that point

[hearty nebula]

glorp

[mint brook]

i am trying to make something for zealot

what do we think of it so far?

reference:

[zinc talon]

okay sure it's a solid start

[mint brook]

gnarly lookin piece

[sterile basalt]

Prob

[mint brook]

think thats close enough for the start, casing next?

[hearty nebula]

looking aight

whatever floats ur boat

[mint brook]

i just wanna find out if i can somehow por the zealot model, copy darktides artstyle well enough with texture and see how it looks with him

genuinely think zealot should get the vindictor flamer

[obsidian prairie]

A melee with an on demand infinite CC button should not exist (FGS doesn't count you need to charge it)

[mint brook]

nono, its not like ogryns weapon

the melee is a special only for the rev

same in function as the eviscerator, ofc, this would play under the premise that the vindictor had other fair downsides

[grizzled aspen]

Vindictor could exist but it would have to have even less mobility than power sword.

[obsidian prairie]

ASS zealot

The other ASS zealot

[mint brook]

oh dont get me wrong

[grizzled aspen]

Barrel time.

[mint brook]

the vindictors heft would be felt

[grizzled aspen]

SURELY the second guy is memeing.

0 mob taxe is hilarious.

[obsidian prairie]

OH FUCK ITS ROLLING STEEL I'M ON GUNLUGGER

[delicate shadow]

prefer stamped steel over rolled steel myself

but to each their own

[plush estuary]

sorry

[plush estuary]

thats me

[obsidian prairie]

Nuh uh

Wasn't a shitshow because train is really easy now

[copper hawk]

yet another slop video by tanner

[obsidian prairie]

Whats the topic this time

[hard nexus]

FGS does count

good players with it

make me wanna kms

[hard nexus]

how hed rework zealot

its literally all nerfs

lmfao

i fucking hate HIMM!!!

[delicate shadow]

damn that's a great idea actually

let's nerf martyr's purpose

[hard nexus]

troo

idk

[delicate shadow]

buff everything but nerf martyr's purpose specifically

[hard nexus]

zealot needs to get other paths buffed

rn

not flat nerfs

but because hes apparently got the ear of a dev

theres a chance they will get implemented

[delicate shadow]

"we felt buffing all of zealot's nodes by 50% would be too much powercreep so we balanced it out by nerfing martyr's purpose"

[delicate shadow]

I'ma be real, that's a bold faced lie lmao

like that's just not how FS works lol

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[copper hawk]

lmfao

[sullen forge]

I wouldn’t doubt small buffs on the other trees till an eventual rework

[copper hawk]

listenin 2 meow read out the shit tanner wants makes me realize how weak zealot is

[sullen forge]

But it’s def not this update

[hard nexus]

in the beginning of his first video, he says that a dev asked him to calmly state his plans for balancing classes to be like vermintide

but

[delicate shadow]

at best he cold dmed a dev and the dev gave him some milquetoast acknowledgement response

[hard nexus]

it wouldnt shock me if thats a full out lie

[fringe bay]

That sounds like a dev being completely disinterested

[sullen forge]

^

[delicate shadow]

oh that is absolutely a lie lmao, you literally can't "balance classes to be like vermintide"

[copper hawk]

yah

[delicate shadow]

like the skill tree system exists and VT2 runs on a career system

with the old school talent menus

[fringe bay]

Me when different games aren’t balanced the same

[delicate shadow]

they literally can't be balanced the same way lmao

[hard nexus]

he just said that TWBS is weak

lmfao

insanity

[delicate shadow]

I still think patching martyr's purpose to be 0.025% of something is a good idea

at least that way no one will get baited by it lmao

[copper hawk]

martyrs purpose should just provide weak cdr w the more damage you've taken

like how the keystone works

[delicate shadow]

TRU

[copper hawk]

instead of just

[zinc talon]

there

[copper hawk]

one hit take damage to reduce ur cooldown for hp

[zinc talon]

that's a less stupid clip

[copper hawk]

and it's a dogshit exchange

[hard nexus]

1.5% methinks

[delicate shadow]

I would like to see martyrdom get reworked tho, wound stacking is just like...eh

[hard nexus]

1.5% per 1% of health missing

nerf IoD to like

idk

[delicate shadow]

like make it a function of like "losing X toughness boosts damage by X for X seconds"

[hard nexus]

200% max

[delicate shadow]

so it's like a hit trading keystone

[hard nexus]

(instaed of the 300% it is now)

[copper hawk]

or just

[delicate shadow]

IoD should probably be like 100% tbh

[copper hawk]

nerf the cooldowns on our ults

like why the FUCK is chorus a one minute cool down ??

with a mandatory point tax ??

[delicate shadow]

the fact that chorus also has a forced upgrade node when that node should just be part of the base ult

is very silly

[obsidian prairie]

Kill me

(Their helbore also has the same perks)

[hard nexus]

he has this werid mindset

that crit chance should be capped at 50%

on all classes

like what

no????

[copper hawk]

yes

it's absurd

[hard nexus]

crits arent even that good, they're mainly sought after due to knife, dueling sword, and IoD

[delicate shadow]

like no other career ability has this bullshit going on lmao

[hard nexus]

thats it

[copper hawk]

one minute cooldown with a mandatory tax

that's what ive been zaaaayin !! and no 1 listened 2 me back the n,,

[zinc talon]

dump stat

[fringe bay]

This is coming from the same man who says damage is a dump stat

[zinc talon]

more like DUMB stat

ha gotem

[sterile basalt]

Who?

[copper hawk]

it's why i think that zealot tree is 100% hastily made

[zinc talon]

dump stat less weapons are the future of darktide and warhammer writ large

you'll see... you'll all see....

[sterile basalt]

Did tanner say something dumb again

[hard nexus]

tanner posted a video of how hed bring zealot balance to be like vermintide, where he lies (according to sharquino) that a dev asked him to make it

[delicate shadow]

like I love playing Chorus (even pre-havoc because I'm a hipster like that I guess)

[sullen forge]

Definition of tax node

[hard nexus]

he also has one on vet

[delicate shadow]

but that mandatory node is silly af

[sullen forge]

Holy

[sullen forge]

I refuse to watch it

I will not watch rage bait

[copper hawk]

shittier voc

[sterile basalt]

Ofc he’s lying lol

[copper hawk]

"thammer shouldn't one hit kill a crusher" - tanner

he wants to cap it at 3k

[hard nexus]

WEEHHHH

thunder hammer should be one of the only weapons that can one shot a crusher

[copper hawk]

i pointed out while meow was watching this vid and i was listenin he clearly only plays dueling sword

especially with how he wants to nerf crits/cap crits

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-lets-kill-him-spongebob-gif-26979738

[hard nexus]

branx pick, thunder hammer

and ogryn shovel

[copper hawk]

and wants to get rid of the only other dueling sword alternative

[hard nexus]

maybe relic stab with chastise

should be the only weapons that can one shot crushers

[delicate shadow]

yeah like tbf I can't explicitly explain how I know but I mean, c'mon, Tanner's track record makes it kinda obvious

[copper hawk]

only other thing that should one shot a crusher

[hard nexus]

yeah

[copper hawk]

is a 2h weapon wielded by another fucking ogryn lmfao

[sullen forge]

We shall not engage in ragebait 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[copper hawk]

it's just

it's nuts

[hard nexus]

"chain weapons are fine"

tanner

[copper hawk]

it's not ragebait these are just his unfiltered dogshit opinions

[hearty nebula]

the forbidden one mentioned

moron prime

[sullen forge]

P-Idiot

New level in ULTRAKILL

[hearty nebula]

it's just a room full of player suggestions

[sullen forge]

Rapidly take 1 DOT till you get out of the rooms

[copper hawk]

lmfao he posted his vid on 4chan

[hard nexus]

"anoint in blood and purge the unclean are the only reasons bolter is strong"

WHAAAT

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

i dont run either of those with bolter and it still works really fucking well

insanity.

[sterile basalt]

They do scale really well for boltgun

For only 2 points

[hard nexus]

they do

but bolter doesnt need them

at all

[copper hawk]

yah that means we need to nerf that talent right

[hard nexus]

bolter needs a slight nerf but nothing significant

at least

[copper hawk]

one of our 4 or 5 double buff talents

[hard nexus]

on zealot

[copper hawk]

i hate tanner..

[hard nexus]

on vet it needs something much more

[copper hawk]

bolter is fine

[lean cairn]

halve its ammo

increase recoil massively

[fringe bay]

No

[copper hawk]

just leave the bolter

[lean cairn]

give it an actual spray pattern

[copper hawk]

all it needs is a duellist nerf

that's it lmfao

[lament blaze]

nahhh i gotta verify this

[lean cairn]

decrease pullout time

[lament blaze]

what bord

[hard nexus]

"almost double the damage"

THATS 45%????!?!??!?!!!

[lament blaze]

board*

[copper hawk]

dms

[fringe bay]

You really think tanner can do math?

[hard nexus]

oh hes counting fucking ambuscade

WHO TAKES AMBUSCADE???

hes saying its an amazing talent

no its not lmfao

[sterile basalt]

It’s not 45%

[lean cairn]

hes the type of guy to take ambuscade but not until death

[full nebula]

Very specific bonbon scenario of course

[hard nexus]

true

[sterile basalt]

It’s +50%

[fringe bay]

Tanner is a metahugger that can’t even metahug correctly

[hard nexus]

multiplicative scaling?

[sterile basalt]

1(1+0.25)(1+0.2) =1.5

[hard nexus]

ah

fair

but still

points tands

[sterile basalt]

+%damage
And +%damage vs armor type

Are multiplicative

Even though name look kinda similar

[spare talon]

where is the .2 coming from tho

[hard nexus]

purge the unclean

[sterile basalt]

Purge the unclean

[hard nexus]

gooooober

[lean cairn]

purge the unclean

[hard nexus]

purge the unclean

[spare talon]

oh i thought you were talking about anoint + ambuscade

and i was like huhh no thats 30%

[sterile basalt]

Ambuscade would be another (1+20%)

For 1.8

[spare talon]

30%

[copper hawk]

just nerf, never buff

[sterile basalt]

Oh it’s 30% now?

[copper hawk]

tanner mantra

[spare talon]

\

[fringe bay]

Oh that one

Yeah that’s such a niche talent

[broken walrus]

wait, when the fuck do you shoot ppl in the back?

[sterile basalt]

1.95

[spare talon]

beast of nurgle

[sterile basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[broken walrus]

Do you just hate BON

[spare talon]

and thats it

[hard nexus]

"book shouldnt give golden toughness"

LMFAO

LMFAOAOOAOOO

[fringe bay]

When you’re in the fantasy land tanner lives in

[spare talon]

gold toughness ONLY for vet

[hard nexus]

well

that video is done

lmfaol

god

im gonna kill myself chat

[spare talon]

neither should give gold toughness

it shouldnt exist

[sterile basalt]

Stop hate watching

[lean cairn]

whatever banisher was supposed to be was probably better than book

[lean cairn]

if you're a stealthoid

[broken walrus]

When Im stealthed, someone is getting a knife to the back of the head

why would I waste bullets for that

Enemies also turn around instantly in DT

[copper hawk]

lmfao

like 30 sec cooldown golden tness

with a 6 second flat reduction on one of the most common enemies killed

golden tness 4 u

i actually agree w tanner on this

book, in itself, should not give golden tness

he forgets, because this is shitty, that book by default doesnt give golden tness

the mandatroy ult talent gives you it

the only one of its kind in the entire game

dont give book golden tness by default and make that a secondary ult talent like voc has with its golden tness

like the template is right fucking there roundfish astaghfirullah

[native whale]

hey is the assault chainaxe worth it or nah

[lean cairn]

pick the mk4

[native whale]

what is it good for?

[copper hawk]

bait deployed

[lean cairn]

heavy attacks have good horde clear and can mulch up elites

[native whale]

i see a heretic in that photo

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/pee-gif-21375990

[lean cairn]

and its fun

[spare talon]

voicecel channel

[sterile basalt]

Won’t be come March 25th

Taunt is also getting one

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[copper hawk]

good

[spare talon]

but it isnt mandatory either

[copper hawk]

lmfao

[sterile basalt]

It is

[spare talon]

no it isnt

[lean cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-hes-right-you-know-hes-right-you-know-meme-gif-27526609

[copper hawk]

lmfao

we're all entitled a lil misinfo from time 2 time

[sterile basalt]

Wait nvm it isn’t

You can technically just take taunt and no subnodes

But that’s like brain damage tier build

[copper hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1349226138429296660/28e9579ff0c6ae19eedce64272de95ff.png?ex=67d25442&is=67d102c2&hm=2ba6be076f754ae6ed5fb5c4c2e3c97b9ae9ba081aa9302be5bfb5ee5b526e1a&

[spare talon]

do not quote the ogryn tree to me, because i was there when they were created

[distant yoke]

Can't wait for the 25th

[sterile basalt]

Well deserved

[spare talon]

tax for going book

[grizzled aspen]

And the other talents have to take a node as well to get that far down the tree, so it's not even a tax.

[sterile basalt]

There’s only 1 ability that properly functions in its intended role without any subnode

[lean cairn]

book should have a 5 point tax

[copper hawk]

only 1 ability that has a mandatory point tax

mmm point taxes, nodes, and damage caps

we got the worst of the game in spadez

om nom nom

[mint brook]

break time for me now, lemme know what you think or if you can see any issues with the model lads:

[lean cairn]

bazooka

[mighty root]

The doohickey

[copper hawk]

lacrosse

https://tenor.com/view/regina-george-mean-girls-lacrosse-gif-24331981

[mint brook]

reference

[native whale]

so im testing out the shotgun

[mighty root]

The blaster

[native whale]

and

[lean cairn]

the good one or the bad one

[native whale]

which one is which

[lean cairn]

the combat shotgun is bad

[native whale]

doubel barrel

[sterile basalt]

What damage cap

[mighty root]

Me chilling with my Homunculus

[copper hawk]

eviscerator

[sterile basalt]

Chainaxe has it too

[lean cairn]

the good one

[native whale]

yes

[mighty root]

Damage cap?

[copper hawk]

it can only damage a certain amount of enemies per swing

[native whale]

and i went from the revolver

[copper hawk]

on certain attacks

[mighty root]

Like cleave?

[sterile basalt]

Maybe they’ll change those soon and apply them to weapons that actually would make sense having them

[mighty root]

Oh yeah that

[sterile basalt]

Cleave damage distribution cap

[native whale]

the only problem i have with the revolver is that theres not enough damage

but with the shotgun

[sterile basalt]

CDDC for short

[native whale]

all i need to do is increse reload speed

and its golden

[sterile basalt]

I will actually refer to it as CDDC in my guide

[native whale]

im testing it out on havoc difficulity

two shots the gun ogryn

[mighty root]

I can’t play verimtide I hate the disablers and teammates who don’t like books

[native whale]

well with alt fire

[mighty root]

It doesn’t matter if I res the whole squad 2 times I still can’t win

Maybe I just play kerillan and win

[native whale]

if i can increase its reload time and damage then ima be good

[lament blaze]

Love Tanner's take that fatshark should add more hard caps and soft caps and even more complicated interactions which wont be communicated at all in any way to the player

Like if you want nerfs that's totally fine I understand. But this? why this??

[obsidian prairie]

Finally

[broken walrus]

Finally, you can start the game

[misty ravine]

"I know better than those idiots" and "those idiots will be happier the less they know" go hand-in-hand

Same attitude that makes video games hide stuff from the players in the first place (relying on the customer to QA test for you while doing everything you can to hide the numbers is a hell of a fucking vibe)

[lament blaze]

Yeah I don't get it. I guess maybe I'm not like most players but hiding information doesn't prevent me from metaslaving, it pushes me toward it.

If I have the information available. I'm able to theorycraft goofy builds that focus on something quirky that I really enjoy and will run with it.

If I know that everything told me to me is a half truth and everything is ambiguous, I'll shrug my shoulders and go "well I bet the tryhards figured out what really happens. I'll just trust them and rock their build"

[misty ravine]

The numbers will be datamined, and if the information is not available in game people will just get half-incorrect information from sloptube

[copper hawk]

lmfao

holy shit

tanner got shat on by some random person in his server

[sterile basalt]

Y’all need to stop hate watching

[copper hawk]

or, i mean in his youtube comments

tanner like publically shouted him out in his server

and whined about him

he rlly is our vry own lolcow..

[obsidian prairie]

What did they say

[copper hawk]

lmfao he banned me

https://tenor.com/view/calmjak-waterfall-snowlyre-calm-calm-peacejak-gif-639155855776678799

[copper hawk]

ill dm u the screencap

[formal umbra]

ok im gonna take a break from havoc again party finder in the mid 20s is hell (no one wants to stay grouped and they just want to get carried)

[copper hawk]

i posted the image gale posted of me and he got pissed off by it

the worldeater dogshit opinion one

then he crybullied because he got teased w the meme sayin all he gets is insults

then i replied in his sharty soyese

he couldn't handle the swag..

what are the perks/blessings for the shotgun

the agri shotgun

[obsidian prairie]

Full bore no respite I think

[copper hawk]

thnx

[native whale]

hey i keep seeing zealots or someone else with a crap ton of hp sections

[hearty nebula]

bee

[native whale]

how does that happen

[formal umbra]

Middle tree zealot runs a bunch of wounds

[obsidian prairie]

Martyrdom (hopefully)

[formal umbra]

Those are martyrdom builds

Yeag

[obsidian prairie]

Each missing gives 8% melee damage, 4% attack speed, and 6.5% TDR

(If they take all subnodes)

[formal umbra]

Pretty ridiculous node if you have the skill to make it work

Lacks cool down reduction tho and I'm addicted to that so I just run The One Build

[formal umbra]

How could I have been so foolish

Thank you lol

[misty ravine]

I've been using it with Relic Blade Mk10 and it's ridiculous

[formal umbra]

I should try this now that I'm taking a havoc break

Auric maelstrom I've missed you

[native whale]

they good?

[obsidian prairie]

Look down a bit

From that message

[native whale]

im doing that one

idk what it does tho

[obsidian prairie]

It’s one of the single largest sources of raw stats in the game

[native whale]

is it good?

[formal umbra]

Yea

All 3 zealot keystones are good

[native whale]

so basically when you become max zealot you get a crap ton of wounds a crap ton of damage and you can use any weapon you want

[obsidian prairie]

Not any weapon

Some use martyrdom poorly

DS and Knife are examples

[native whale]

ds and knife?

[obsidian prairie]

Dueling sword and combat blade

[silk coral]

chat is this a good loadout

[native whale]

i have no idea what im using i just use whatever i want

and shotgun makes big numbers

[obsidian prairie]

I wouldn’t call combat shotgun good

Especially on zealot

[silk coral]

shut up

[native whale]

shotgun go bang bang and make everyone dead

[obsidian prairie]

I actually like Lawbringer (zarona now)

But I still can’t call them good

They’re a victim of power creep

Also, you asked

[silk coral]

i was wondering about combt effectivness

not your opionion

[obsidian prairie]

My opinion aligns with it’s effectiveness

It’s just not very good, even on vet it hopes for 2 shot breakpoints

[native whale]

also would thunder hammer and double barrel shotgun be good

[mint brook]

guys, need some creative minds here

[grizzled aspen]

"is "x" good?"
"no, "x" is bad, here's why"
"I don't want your opinion"
The nerve of some people.

[mint brook]

you got any clue where i should pack the fuel storage? not sure if the hose to box thing is doable for the game (probably not)

[obsidian prairie]

On top slanted backwards

Like drg flamer but mounted actually on top

[mint brook]

yeah i was thinking on top or where the hose is suppose to be

[grizzled aspen]

Where the hose is would make the most sense.

Considering it already feeds from there.

[obsidian prairie]

I felt that might be a bit close to the blade

[mint brook]

so is the hose

[obsidian prairie]

The hose is a lot smaller

[grizzled aspen]

If your fuel input is already right there then you can remove the hose and just throw a can on there.

[silk coral]

the shotgun isnt bad

[obsidian prairie]

It kinda is

[grizzled aspen]

Compared to any choice that isn't an autopistol, yes, it is.

[obsidian prairie]

It’s pretty poor at most ranges and has a lot of reloading downtime

[grizzled aspen]

And I'm saying this with all the goodness in my heart because I find magdumping a bulwark in the back of his noggin with one to be funny.

[copper hawk]

Jesus christ

[mint brook]

shouldnt be an issue, considering the chainsaw has a guard that covers all baldes on the back

[copper hawk]

Chill out bro it's just a game

And they're still right lmfao

[native whale]

why is nobody playin heresy lol

[silk coral]

ITS GOOODDDD

[copper hawk]

Combat shotguns got power crept hard

Just use a manstopper flechette db

[obsidian prairie]

I was more thinking from the perspective of accidentally using it as a cross guard

[copper hawk]

Shrimply better

[native whale]

power crept?

[copper hawk]

Agri has a niche in that it opens bulwarks up if you shoot them w the slug

[copper hawk]

Other things are improved and they're left behind

[obsidian prairie]

General power of enemies and weapons got higher while shotgun is untouched

[copper hawk]

Additional wpns, buffs, etc

And yah that

[native whale]

what does crept mean

[mint brook]

[copper hawk]

Combat shotguns werent buffed back in the day when they buffed all the enemies across the board

[obsidian prairie]

The power crept past it

[mint brook]

it is a difficult call cause it should be as faithful as possible

[native whale]

oh

[copper hawk]

Past participle of to creep

[silk coral]

btw i dont really care because im just trying new shi

[copper hawk]

Crept up to the poont

[formal umbra]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/power_creep

[copper hawk]

Creep up to the point

[mint brook]

imo, the incindiary shotgun is good but really only under certain loadouts imo

[obsidian prairie]

Agri shotgun is best as a sniping tool

[mint brook]

like my build struggles with rager span and hordes, the incindiary does both for me

[silk coral]

cuz ive practically used all of the other zealots weapons and got bored

[obsidian prairie]

Best spread and ammo (I think) while the slug does actually good damage

[mint brook]

cause the bleed + fire bascally oneshots

[obsidian prairie]

It’s basically a bolt action

[formal umbra]

agri shotgun is fun its just in an odd spot due to aforementioned power creep

[obsidian prairie]

It can one shot open a bulwark though

[spare burrow]

with flawless execution i just now learned that i cant join a mission in the middle, does that shit reset my count ? or just not count toward it

[long oasis]

afaik if you join mid mission it WONT count towards your streak even if you finish and extract. If you get downed whatsoever it will delete your streak

trappers and dogs dont count as downs

[spare burrow]

but just joining doesnt runin it?

[long oasis]

dont think so

[spare burrow]

well i think i was like 15 to 20 missions straight without being downed , not understanding why i didnt get it even the 10

i had to be at least close, and i just got downed replayign to you lol

[long oasis]

rip

[spare burrow]

cani leave a game i joined without it breaking my streak?

like if i joina game that is mid way

[long oasis]

not too sure about this but you could maybe q ez havocs for completion?

[native whale]

just got the bonkin hammer

[long oasis]

I dont think so? They said at some point prior to the grim protocols that leaving would be changed to dying/downing in regards to penances but they never followed up on it I believe

[spare burrow]

well ill try it out tomorrow cant as painfula s this was i been running 3's and 4's all daylike since the am doing other penances with terrible builds and trying to master random trash weapons on top fo that, figured shoudl be easy enough make it challenging enough to be fun, all day wasted now lol FML

[long oasis]

yea dogshit penance

I hate it so much

[spare burrow]

well tmorrows another day XD

[hidden verge]

always wanted to ask but always forgot, can enemy shoot through their friend?

[drowsy steppe]

yea Ive played a couple

just that extraction game modes I dont find that engaging to play

[polar nexus]

ok bro, you can do drunk tide

[silk coral]

yahhh

[grizzled aspen]

No, bullets will not pierce enemies like that. Snipers will straight up execute other enemies in an attempt to shoot you, and gunners will stunlock things running to melee you.

[sterile stone]

Fair enough, was asking a friend about it

Saw there was a pve mode

[mighty root]

@spare talon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1025959758013927434.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

ended on a good note

because im swag

[ornate bone]

I thought I could carry 3 people through havoc 40..

I can't

Im a dissapointment

[tepid forge]

I just want the moebian 53rd armor

[mighty root]

i believe in you

[signal spoke]

Nah they have friendly fire so gunners while shooting they will actually hit their allies

[tepid forge]

I want my atoman auxilia armor, ahhhhhh!!!

[mighty root]

everyone always stealing my gifs and emotes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580240175632744450/1311833000874348594/caption-6.gif

[plush estuary]

Better beat havoc 40 now before the update

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/soda-soder-cat-drink-drinkcheck-gif-4147138549862564848

[ornate bone]

I just can't, man. If I go horde and survival build we live until we encounter a line of gunners,
But if I go balanced build we get consumed by mixed hordes

[mighty root]

can you help me with book runs? :3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1025959758013927434.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[plush estuary]

Not playing tonight

[ornate bone]

I beat it awhile ago, however trying to pull 3 friends through that can't shoot the broad side of a barnyard

..friendship will prevail one way or another

[mighty root]

tomorrow if possible im about to sleep

[plush estuary]

I'll see, haven't been in VT mood in awhile. Chances are low

[mighty root]

purg psyker

[ornate bone]

Honestly I'm pretty rusty with psyker. But I'll give it a go.

Which build you use?

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/wingsofredemption-wings-jordie-jordan-richard-look-here-look-listen-gif-3483833880634645957

[mighty root]

one moment

[copper hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164838809641426944/1345562115926265966/SPOILER_ezgif-88b37b738d7401.gif

[ornate bone]

The builds you've sent me thus far have been fyre

[mighty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5cc452-6030-42a4-afe1-2b54e0c4337c/terrible-pysker-build

This is what I use

[ornate bone]

"Terrible"

[mighty root]

Reminder

Pre rework orgyn

Maybe it cause of hh, skull crusher, and batter

Shield is insane

[spare talon]

or maybe its cuz the people who are choosing to play ogryn are good enough at the game that they can just do it anyway

[mighty root]

That’s my personal preference, in a lot of my builds i love any source of toughness I can get

[spare talon]

anyone who isnt is picking other classes

-# and tanking their winrates

[mighty root]

I like orgyn sometimes

[frosty herald]

Ainz got tired of being clipped by gutter runners

[mighty root]

I need to start up my teletubby strip club again in darkrp

I saw a sc of it

[ornate bone]

No bubble shield?
And are you actually using the brain burst or is it just for tree progression?

Definitely a different build for me but ill try it

[copper hawk]

hard 2 control 4 this

[mighty root]

I use bb and I only run bubble if there’s cranial corruption

Other than that golden toughness from a vet is enough

[acoustic dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096583423650447370/1335077899853758525/1610660154552.gif

[mighty root]

But zealots is also good

[acoustic dune]

THE LORD HAS RIZZEN

[mighty root]

Break it down oomfie

[acoustic dune]

gyatting down the sinners

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-nah-no-way-fr-no-shot-gif-25089961

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fight-wild-lights-gif-17192164

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/baffling-gif-24471655

https://tenor.com/view/yakub-tricknology-gif-1863956772145225024

Yakub please take me away in your pyramid

Take me away from @copper hawk and his girliness

[heady rapids]

cause no one lets ogryns in havocs!!!!!! only the top 1% ogryns play them lmao

[spare talon]

i wanted to play the video game today but i guess not

this has happened 2 games in a row

[copper hawk]

wut

[copper hawk]

labor of love

[lean cairn]

What do people usually take on their shock mauls

[mighty root]

Ur gonna give me cooties or sum

[copper hawk]

sc hb

or sc hv

https://tenor.com/view/a-hat-in-time-gaming-video-game-dancing-dance-gif-17517619

[lean cairn]

Why would you take high voltage over hammerblow

With hammerblow you can stagger a crusher with 2 light attacks

[spare talon]

hammerblow skullcrusher

also knocks ragers on their ass

[distant yoke]

Is Saul actually good

Or is it whatever

[spare talon]

its mid as fuck

i wish i could like it cuz its the closest thing ill get to vet shovel on zealot

[copper hawk]

doesnt really hit any stagger breakpoints

[spare talon]

*without hammerblow

but i cannot stand its moveset for no reason

[copper hawk]

even with hammerblow i barely notice anything

[spare talon]

i notice ragers literally being send flying

mid combo

[plush estuary]

It feels too much like mk1 shovel to me

Just worse

[copper hawk]

yo mama

both of u should be asleepz

[plush estuary]

Yo dada

Says you

[hearty nebula]

whats a sleeps

[ornate bone]

After playing some havoc playing "normal" missions feels so easy but so much fun I challenged demon host 3 times playing Zealot with knife I didn't know you could push host from the ledge

[plush estuary]

Government secret

[plush estuary]

Over confidence is a slow killer

But nice

[lean cairn]

Do you use agri or indig

[plush estuary]

Indig

[lean cairn]

🤢

[spare talon]

indi

[lean cairn]

There's the problem

You're using the bad moveset one

[spare talon]

i really need to give the other a go

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah indi is the wrong one

Agni is much better

Which is a shame, indi looks good

[lean cairn]

Go max attack speed no twbs

[mighty root]

How do we fix the shockmaul

[hearty nebula]

u delete it

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-come-deliverance-henry-of-skalitz-kcd-kcd-2-kingdom-come-deliverance-2-gif-8513144675739880089

no

[lean cairn]

Nerf it

[spare talon]

im not taking off twbs

ill go to the psyk and give agni another go

[lean cairn]

Shock maul can attack fast enough that you don't need twbs

[spare talon]

but i wont play it cuz apparently the servers are shitting themsleves every 3 seconds in a real game

[lean cairn]

Stagger everything so they can't hit you

[mighty root]

[plush estuary]

Flamer knock back though

[mighty root]

[spare talon]

i use twbs for basically everything else

[plush estuary]

And shotgunners

[lean cairn]

Run to the side

[spare talon]

basically what ainz is saying

[plush estuary]

Obj too

[mighty root]

It should be built into zealot

[spare talon]

ok and what if youre in a narrow corridor

[plush estuary]

Makes solo and duo easy on scans

[lean cairn]

That's why you take an objective slave

[plush estuary]

Yes

[lean cairn]

Throwing knives

[spare talon]

theres enemies to your left and a wall to the right

[spare talon]

what if youre actively engaged with ragers and cant even look away

[lean cairn]

You have hammerblow, stagger everything while dorn does hacking

[plush estuary]

Or worse, blocked by bulwark

[mighty root]

[lean cairn]

At that point the knockback from the flamer isn't the main problem

[spare talon]

i cannot tell you how many times ive been absolutely fucked by knockback on other classes from everything

[lean cairn]

It's the damage

[spare talon]

the damage that im taking because im being pushed back into a position where i cannot leave the fire

[mighty root]

Getting cc’ed has killed me a bunch

[lean cairn]

Simply kill things quicker

[mighty root]

Right

Me thinks ur really silly

[lean cairn]

Use shock maul special on bulwark so you can tknife the flamer

[mighty root]

And you should only play with other silly people

That are also silly

[lean cairn]

I only play with good players

[mighty root]

[plush estuary]

That's the problem

You have it too good

That's it

We kill egg

[spare talon]

@lean cairn heres a moment when a flamer was incredibly close to killing me just because of the knockback on psyker
https://youtu.be/pl_hv4RyUP8?si=cfFseys1Td-gFuxV&t=1037

[mighty root]

@lean cairn teach me how to be good

Please

[lean cairn]

I tase babies with my shock maul

[lean cairn]

Use the shock maul

[plush estuary]

Clipped

[spare talon]

and heres an example of dog pounce knockback pushing me into the burster i was about to push

[lean cairn]

You could've got out of that corner faster tbh

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-yes-sir-gif-21589754

[spare talon]

before the mutant was there? yes
when the mutant was there? i couldnt move

[lean cairn]

100 reps of shock maul pubs

And I want to see you top damage in at LEAST 80 of them

[mighty root]

As my vet or psyker I’ve been clipped by a flamer and it’s knock back get me killed by pushing me into the mass of elites

[lean cairn]

Those groaners to your left

[spare talon]

i also positioned myself there because of where i saw the tox flamer
but then she just decided to sneak even further and be in a nightmare spot

[mighty root]

Not like standing in its path but it clip me slightly

[lean cairn]

I like dropping twbs to get better

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

It’s nice to have I’ve played without it and couldn’t tell a difference sometimes

Only with flamers I could

[lean cairn]

Flamers shouldn't deal knockback while having such weak flames

They're basically spurting a weak stream of napalm while vt2 fire rats had proper flame spewers

[plush estuary]

It's a weird difference they did

I think it's more area denial in DT instead of AoE damage

[spare talon]

are you sure?

[lean cairn]

Oh yeah and the way they make flames materialise on the ground is bs

[plush estuary]

Speaking of what they were trying for

VT flamer was a instant flash of AoE damage

[spare talon]

@lean cairn h1 l2 or h1 l2 l3

or h1 l234

[mighty root]

God I hate that I hate cc

[lean cairn]

I do H1 then light and repeat

Feels the best but idk

[mighty root]

Vt is a silly game

It’s disablers and bosses are so goofy

[plush estuary]

Sword captains feel like VT mino

With their buggy animations and agro swapping

[lean cairn]

Light spam is good for a random out of place squishy elite or for staggering crushers

[mighty root]

Instant combo

[lean cairn]

Because for some reason crushers don't really stagger from heavies but they do from lights

[mighty root]

Aren’t they chaos warriors? I remember seeing very early dt

[spare talon]

it is better based on just basic ass dps testing without crits

and guess what

im running piety

and you cant stop me

[lean cairn]

You will learn

In time...

I completely drop iod and scourge on it

[mighty root]

Shock maul Hypnosis versus tactical axe propaganda

[plush estuary]

Do you not want IoD for fury uptime?

[mighty root]

Mid off

[lean cairn]

By virtue of having skullcrusher the shock maul is leagues ahead of the chainsword

[lean cairn]

I prefer more damage tbh

[spare talon]

shock maul has finesse

[mighty root]

Attack speed is more damage

[lean cairn]

Ik I'm missing out on 8 seconds CDR but I already don't take cdr on curios so whatever

[lean cairn]

I use high attack speed build already

[spare talon]

i assume you just use the brick and mortar IJ right

[mighty root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1288287202249408616/1328580520300249088/speed-2.gif

[spare talon]

ok im really fucking with how fast a h2 charges after the push attack

[lean cairn]

Something like this maybe

Actually swap for scourge

For boss dps

I ran this with Dorn

[copper hawk]

ill have to try that

it crits enough for iod?

[lean cairn]

No that's why I took it off

The one with Dorn is a bad one

[copper hawk]

it does so little damage with so much cleave u might actually benefit from scourge tbh

[spare talon]

the evil mode combo

[lean cairn]

Yeah and for bosses since it really struggles against them

It's hard to apply skullcrusher to bosses

[mighty root]

Why not run grievous wounds?

[lean cairn]

I love doing that

[mighty root]

Dose it not meet stagger bp?

[lean cairn]

I don't run twbs so that's a 3 point investment

[mighty root]

I mean yeah

I’d figure it’d free up a blessing slot

[lean cairn]

I don't consider any of the other blessings worth taking

[mighty root]

Huh

Skull cursher is awesome

[lean cairn]

Yeah I take skullcrusher and hammerblow

[signal spoke]

Ain't no way bro

Balancing the Darktide classes to be in VT2 sounds not good

[twin wagon]

[spare talon]

are the developers that requested this in the room with us right now?

[lean cairn]

Killing 50 chaos warriors in one swing is fine wdym

[sterile stone]

2.7 million views.....?

[signal spoke]

Thousand

[sterile stone]

Holy shit

Ahhh

Less impressive

[signal spoke]

That is just YT displaying my native language

Cannot wait for the Ogryn balance to be like vermintide

[sterile stone]

Honestly I'm just waiting to see if there's any new cosmetics that will drop

[formal umbra]

well prob get a rerun this week then new cosmetics once the update drops

unless were lucky

[ornate bone]

Anyone knows good phone gamepad?

[spare talon]

geforce now spotted

[polar nexus]

Gamesir and backbone

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/tedead-gif-17130638413357946483

I would be so mad if devs were really talking to him

[spare talon]

hes literally blacklisted by fatshark

they arent talking to him

[ornate bone]

ty gamesir looks comfy and it's not so expensive

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/go-to-sleep-slapping-face-gif-15440023

[polar nexus]

i like the ones with usbc passthrough

[twin wagon]

How do you know Fatshark from another timeline where Vt3 came before versus aren't talking to him?

[ornate bone]

[ebon bobcat]

Simple, they don't want to invent a dimensional transporter to just talk to Tanner

[sterile stone]

Anyone making a time machine to talk to a mental patient like that would need to be checked into a padded cell themselves....

[nocturne cobalt]

What are traits to pick on combat shotgun?

[ebon bobcat]

The one that makes you deal more damage if you hit with all pellets is a must have

[nocturne cobalt]

That’s full bore.

Since I need 1 more mastery level for maxing it.

I think maybe the crit chance of pellets hit different enemies is also good.

I like the accatran mark with the flame special.

[formal umbra]

This is kind of like daemons talking to psykers

[sterile stone]

One side asks questions

The other replies in incoherent screaming

[obsidian ore]

This looks good, the non crit setup I use differs only in one thing

I drop 2x charges for twbs

Without sufficient cdr, I generally don’t do 2x

Backstabs by themselves don’t feel enough to sustain 2x, but it might be just subjective biased opinion on my end

For the crit one unfortunately IJ by itself isnt enough crit sustain for scourge so you’ll have to go left keystone

Imagine if shock maul had a crit blessing 😦

[heady rapids]

gork and mork were the two lost primarchs

[open echo]

No way lmao

[nocturne cobalt]

I like zealot. I only wish that the thunder hammer. Did a bit more dmg. 👀

[formal umbra]

Which one you using?

[nocturne cobalt]

That second one. For the combined cleave on power up. But the regular attack feels kinda low.

[formal umbra]

Very fair

[acoustic dune]

OK hear me out

What if all class share the same weapon pool

A ogryn with a toothpick

And a zealot with a comically size butcher knife

And or shovel

[heady rapids]

combat knife ogryn

[open echo]

I used to be the ironhelm coper when it was horrendously bad

[open echo]

Its better now ig which is nice

[formal umbra]

febby faber

[copper hawk]

I love yt commentd

Comments*

[open echo]

Bear 5

[acoustic dune]

It's his fist

He is just hulking at that point

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-freddy-default-dance-gif-8476480527387892754

[open echo]

So relic blade

Gimme a guide to it :3

[formal umbra]

X or II

[open echo]

Whats do each do differently?

[acoustic dune]

They have 2 different move set

Also check pin

[formal umbra]

They do about the same thing they just have different move sets, there's a good guide in this pin- ah

[acoustic dune]

Slow poke

[open echo]

Oh ty

[acoustic dune]

That's the best you'll get to a zealot guide book

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sniff-gif-26084293

Everyone whom pursuit to make a zealot guide book eventually all die (metaphorically)

[formal umbra]

Despite our love of the imperial creed, we cannot read books

[acoustic dune]

We need a comic

A comic guide book

[nocturne cobalt]

The branx minor skin just looks so good.

[acoustic dune]

Like in ancient time where people would draw on walls of church n stuff for peasant to read

[ornate bone]

https://youtu.be/heyXJCZdDXg?feature=shared

I love this voice so much right now

[acoustic dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASS30rGrNts

remind me of this

[open echo]

What does it look like?

[nocturne cobalt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/882964456966062131/1348248761947787304/image.png?ex=67d211c2&is=67d0c042&hm=269750419a51fbdef79e069c990f3817f34356be8a693c469ee994555b9b6c4c&

[formal umbra]

I love the branx minor forge livery for the thunder hammer. The brick.

[open echo]

Oh that

[sterile stone]

Woulda been nice to have a set of white and gold or black and gold skins

Like clean looking too.

Not that scratchy, used garbage

[formal umbra]

I love scratchy used garbage

[ornate bone]

Fanatic voice reminds me somehow of Emperor he's kind and furious at the same time

[nocturne cobalt]

I like the Scottish voice for female zealot.

Often asks for booze.

[gray ice]

Doesn't zealot have a white and gold set

It had a gimp mask I think

[sterile stone]

The white hood with glold trimming

Thas about it

[gray ice]

Might just be the hood

Been a long ass time since I seent it

[sterile stone]

I meant hood like a hoodie

I have it

[gray ice]

Who abbreviates hoodie to hood

[sterile stone]

People do

[gray ice]

Confussin

[sterile stone]

Shouldn't you be being a menace to a cali ghost

[gray ice]

Nah I'm only up for work

Piece of shit car wouldn't start tho

So now I'm here till I go back to sleep

[sterile stone]

Im ngl

Wait what

You called in and told them you ain't coming?

[gray ice]

I mean yea tf else I'mma do

[sterile stone]

Uber

Issa ting

[gray ice]

It's a 40 min drive who the fuck sending me the required 190 dollars

Miss me wit dat

[sterile stone]

190 for a 40 minute drive is devious

[gray ice]

They can holoff for a day

[sterile stone]

Sheeeeit

You know what'd go crazy

A coffee and donuts

[gray ice]

Not literally but I'm not payin for no expensive ass Uber out there and back

[sterile stone]

Coulda fooled me

[gray ice]

I could gas my shit up 3 times, with the fare. I just gotta get a tire on the other one they'll see me tomorrow

[sterile stone]

Sheeeit a $8 uber ride spiked to $40 one day

All because it rained and there was traffic

[gray ice]

Yea they be on one

Not tryna hear that

[sterile stone]

If I wasn't inclined on my personal saftey

I'd have gone and been a jailer

My boy was working overtime for a whole year

Mans cashed out $120k

IT's just

I ain't risking myself getting stabbed with a fork some dude held between his asscheeks

[gray ice]

Hmmm tetanus spork

[sterile stone]

Nah

[gray ice]

That's an obituary son

[lean lark]

week worth of ingredients for food vs go somewhere faster

[sterile stone]

Bro told me about the time some crazy ass dude swallowed a damn key

[sterile stone]

I wish ingredients ran me $40

American inflation got people's pockets in tears

[gray ice]

We aren't in the Balkans

[lean lark]

start growing your own food

[gray ice]

40 gets you a day maybe

[sterile stone]

Bruh

The whole ass start up for indoor hydroponics is like minimum $200

Shit maybe even $500 if you get the good shit

Then you gotta wait like 3-4 months

Still feeding and making sure the mf get proper light

[lean lark]

its worth it

[sterile stone]

Yeah the shit is worth it if you have a farm to mass produce vegetation yeah

But a small ass 2 bedroom apt nah

Tried it like 4 times, anything that grows extensively like peppers or tomatos take up alot of space and need breathing room

[gray ice]

Not finna have a balcony and grow zone

I'll wait a min till I get some proper fittings in a house

[hushed knoll]

Do hugs not drugs

[gray ice]

What context makes this sentence make sense

[grand tangle]

Honey packs

Gas station b*ner pill except its a ketchup packet filled with honey that tastes like chemicals

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/danielbruhl-zemo-baronzemo-gif-21254223

[north sedge]

"Funko pop"

[timber wigeon]

Anyone want to talk about how Zhang Xianzhong and his devastation of Sichuan led to the creation of darktide?

Nobody?

Fine.

im fine...

[nocturne cobalt]

Downfall of the Roman Empire is a lot more interesting.

[gray ice]

How the Roman empire stood is far more interesting than the downfall

[timber wigeon]

All empires collapse

That's not surprising

[crimson quail]

The Imperium will never fall

👐🏻

[timber wigeon]

Forming a centralized state that spans 3 continents and then maintaining that for 3 centuries in antiquity is surprising

[timber wigeon]

Abit more but past that it wasn't roman as you would think of it

[gray ice]

A maritime empire with no naval tradition

HOW

[nocturne cobalt]

Steal engineering from the Greeks and Carthaginians.

[gray ice]

Whilst simultaneously disparaging them because they watch plays

[acoustic dune]

nine

its taco stan

the creature eat tacos with a fork

n knife

[hushed knoll]

DOUGH NO

[hushed knoll]

I’m not a creature

[mint brook]

Progress so far, you guys like it?

[jovial cosmos]

Nice trumpet

[mint brook]

reference

[mint brook]

the tooter

[jovial cosmos]

In all seriousness the rings go around the parts that connect them

Rn you have them blend together causing it to look more like a coil then a torch

[mint brook]

can you rephrase that? i do not understand what you mean, no offence

you mean like, that mine go through rather than next to them?

[jovial cosmos]

Basically like this

[misty nova]

No one
DBD killer:

[mint brook]

thank you ❤️

[jovial cosmos]

Like this, but obv slimmer

[acoustic dune]

ah sorry

eldritch monster

[mint brook]

here

hope this is now better

[placid fiber]

looks like a sienna staff

[misty nova]

Fireball probably

[mint brook]

i mean

it is a warhammer theme

[mint brook]

#zealot-class message

Check here for full picture

its the one where i didnt fix the muzzle yet

[misty nova]