zealot-class

[copper hawk]

Except for like gunners

[plush estuary]

Hamdolsun does more damage than me and I'm in front of him all game

[copper hawk]

And Oggy is getting a nullify all attacks button w the new Charge rework, so they could be arguably a better gap closer

[mint brook]

i am saying that, what good does me damage do, if a guy can get to another point quicker than me to just do the job in about the same time

[plush estuary]

at that point bring a knife and speedrun

[sterile basalt]

If ur trying to say that sprinting ahead to farm damage ends up making relic blade better than Karsolas

Then I have to say

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-sugarcoat-royal-guard-gif-14172541423208480769

[sterile basalt]

You’re not farming kills in events well enough

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

Yeah

[mint brook]

when i say i like waffles, i dont say i hate pancakes

i never mentino farming damag

and idk how you come to that conclusion

[copper hawk]

Enemies in hordes come to you, running to clear the gap just means you reach an engagement slightly sooner

That's a slight benefit circumstantially almost not worth comparing to what Path already outlined

[sterile basalt]

If you’re saying relic blade enables u to run faster ahead without losing much on damage which allows u to go through the level faster

I can get that

But that’s not a weapon comparison at that point, no?

At that point you’re comparing zealot to ogryn, not relic blade to Karsolas

[mint brook]

[heady rapids]

what if ogryn could run

[copper hawk]

Byeah

Kars is simply a better weapon

[heady rapids]

they wouldn't have named him ogryn then would they

[copper hawk]

In a void, and especially with the new Oggy changes

[heady rapids]

they would've name dhim rungrin

[copper hawk]

Double power blessings, the best ones in the game, is already very powerful

[mint brook]

i get your point here @sterile basalt but i only judge a weapon by its own self if it can multiclass

[sterile basalt]

Play more, you will probably change ur mind

[plush estuary]

guh

[sterile basalt]

[mint brook]

as said, i 100% get your point

[copper hawk]

Especially when paired with a keystone designed around increasing your swing speed, if we're taking into account things like FotF and run speed per class like you said

[sterile basalt]

BM-adjacent cleave damage distribution is wild, all I gotta say

[copper hawk]

Yes

[mint brook]

as said, rework ogryn will basically have me shut up most likely

[copper hawk]

It's absurd

It will dude

It's nuts

[sterile basalt]

New ogryn gets 20%Matk speed for free

[copper hawk]

Im happy for Oggy but some of the shit is wild

Yep

[mint brook]

more attack speed, more cleave speed, litearlly ignoring heavy movement menalties when you use them

like the rework has me believing that ogryn will most likely be 3rd best or tied with 3rd

[sterile basalt]

I can’t wait for veteran to be a top 4 class fr

[copper hawk]

I'm honestly at this point arguing that Oggy just does what Zeal does but better - including weapons, barring a burst DPS exceptions only availavle to zealot

Nah, rn Zealot is squarely at the bottom

[sterile basalt]

It doesn’t even need arguing

[mint brook]

dont think that ahppens until VOC gets bonked tho

[copper hawk]

A numbered list doesnt do the other classes justice

Oggy and Psyker r like

[sterile basalt]

FotF relic blade is just inferior to bull rush Karsolas even in h40

[copper hawk]

Solid S at this point

Or Psyker is A, then Vet would be next in A or B

And Zealot is in gimmick tier

Oggy is S now w the rework

[mint brook]

honest question

[heady rapids]

ogryn even has his own beacon of purity for havocs now... it's over zealotbros

[mint brook]

is psyker s cause of pruge and ds

[sterile basalt]

Psyker is S+
Ogryn is S+
Zealot is S
Veteran is S

[copper hawk]

Thrust as a talent for all weapons is nuts

[mint brook]

or cause the class is genuinenly good

[sterile basalt]

Top 4 class

[mint brook]

like what makes every class S

[copper hawk]

Psyker is just nuts

Especially melee psyker

The damage output is insane

[mint brook]

is it weapons they got available, or is it actually their tree

[sterile basalt]

No

[torpid tulip]

Which cooldown ability is the most cooldown for chorus book? since it says all different types of cooldowns... Invocation of death, Martyr's Purpose, or Pious Cut throat

[sterile basalt]

Psyker is S+ because psyker defeats enemy density as a concept

[copper hawk]

Purge and FGS r just the tip of the ice berg

[hidden grove]

zealot in my game just pushed 5 bosses off gloriana, 2 dh 3 bosses, absolutely goated

[sterile basalt]

You simply cannot make enemy density threatening when psyker has their kit working

[copper hawk]

As much as I bemoan Vet, Vet, funnily enough in an ironic twist of fate, got themselves the power creep treatment

[heady rapids]

warrants a nerf id say

[copper hawk]

Especially when you compare trees

[hidden grove]

shush u

[copper hawk]

Vet has a talent point stretched thin issue still, albeit nowhere near as bad as, say, Zealot now or Vet back then

[sterile basalt]

Veteran at least is not illusion of choice (unlike psyker)

Veteran gets choices, just has to pay taxes

Very lore accurate to the imperium

[copper hawk]

Incredibly powerful

Psyker has no such issue

Beautiful talent tree (finally)

[sterile basalt]

Psyker is illusion of choice

[copper hawk]

Oggy has the best one by far thus far per rework

[plush estuary]

true

[heady rapids]

psyker has a fun choice of a shit talent and a broken one in one spot 💔

[copper hawk]

As well as some of the best and most interesting talents

Lightning Reflexes as a talent

Thrust as a Talent

Wrath but a talent

[heady rapids]

psyker gets ghost as a talent.....

[copper hawk]

Psyker has game turn off button times like 4

Fgs my beloved

[sterile basalt]

Invocation is best

[copper hawk]

I pulled an 800k dmg match in pubs on Mercantile w meow and she was like groaning in despair

Cuz of fgs being usted

She'd run ahead to finally have enemies to face and wipe that engagement off the map because i spammed scriers lmb the previous engagement

[sterile basalt]

Psyker is merely 50 nerfs away from being in good balance

[copper hawk]

Two shotting crushers never felt so good

Idk why Zeal gets playtesters saying stuff like wanting to take the class out back and kneecap it

[sterile basalt]

(It’s deserved)

[copper hawk]

Idk as a Zeal player what other classes see is so busted about ours

[sterile basalt]

Second wind
Duellist
Enduring faith

[copper hawk]

When they have so much more, and better

[sterile basalt]

Zealot has no build variety

But the 1.5 builds that work is broken

[maiden forge]

Scuse me matrydom exists

And is funny

[copper hawk]

Still contend that it's simply unfinished

Node instead of talent

[heady rapids]

imagine not enjoying your uhh

5% sprint speed

[copper hawk]

Yum

One actually good tness regen talent that has an internal timer and doesnt work on gunners

[sterile basalt]

5% move speed is good
Definitely better than shield of contempt

[copper hawk]

Not as good as dance of death

[maiden forge]

I prefer bleed for the emperor💪

[carmine falcon]

absolute kino that enables me to survive making 2 iq plays and should not be touched before psykers get ran to the ground with their stupid ass puke spam that nukes entire rooms by holding mouse1

[copper hawk]

5% movement speed is like less than 5 roundfish units of additional speed

Might even be less than 2

[maiden forge]

40% damage reduction when the mauler completely fucking demolishes me

[native whale]

also what weapon is good for high damage im currently using the devils claw sword but it feels so weak like i can just be swingin at one dude for 30 minutes

[sterile basalt]

It’s more like +0.3m/s

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

Absolutely unfettered dogshit

[sterile basalt]

What

[copper hawk]

Less than a meter of extra movement per second

Rounding error coded

Why even bother having it

Just make it a tness dr node

[sterile basalt]

A full +1m/s is crazy overpowered lol

[copper hawk]

Or just make it another dogshit talent

[mint brook]

i tell you what needs fixing

[copper hawk]

Like reload a lil faster or stamina cost reduction

[mint brook]

loner

[carmine falcon]

unironically just play with randoms if u feel like power creep is making your games boring
Whenever i play with people here everyone is so cracked and entire maps get wiped
pubs are the true blood pressure experience

[mint brook]

all my homies hate loner

[copper hawk]

Loner i contend

Shouldnt exist

On the frontline melee class

[delicate shadow]

loner shouldn't exist on any class

it's conceptually dumb

[mint brook]

make loner more thematic

[native whale]

hey is the crusher good or would the tactical axe be better im looking for good single target damage

[mint brook]

i want to backstab

[sterile basalt]

Loner is great gatekeeper against shroudfield

[mint brook]

gib backstab damage

[copper hawk]

It's fine on Vet with the emphasis on that class being melee support or a backline specialist sniper

I mean shroudfield

Sooorrgy

[maiden forge]

Make loner gib 4 coherency

[copper hawk]

Loner is also dogshit

[carmine falcon]

delete shroudfield
i played like 6 games and today and votedkicked 3 knife runners

[copper hawk]

Loner is a worse ewew

[mint brook]

no

backstab damage

[carmine falcon]

if you run into my in a lobby im votekicking you

[copper hawk]

Which is a worse at arms length

[mint brook]

[plush estuary]

tactical axe

[heady rapids]

If only it actually gave you "coherency" to begin with

And not just toughness regen

[copper hawk]

Loner is a point tax disguised as a passive

Shroudfield is a troll ability disguised as fotf

Me taking loner shroudfield in my h40 match

[sterile basalt]

No

Aura is supposed to help ur team

[mint brook]

yes

[heady rapids]

would the server crash if you took 4 shroudfields

[copper hawk]

It's in the game, don't blame me !! If Roundfish didn't want the frontline melee sustain character to run away then why would they have it in the game !!

[mint brook]

backstab damage for you and allies in coherency

[maiden forge]

I doubt

[copper hawk]

Baka..

[sterile basalt]

Who is benefitting off of backstab damage besides the 1 guy that can turn invisible

[carmine falcon]

sad thing is shroudfield has cool applications but just so poorly misused to the point where i go "here we go again" everytime i have shroudfielders on da team

[sterile basalt]

Be real

[heady rapids]

or did they nerf hordes hard enough post console launches

[sterile basalt]

Don’t think that happened?

[copper hawk]

Consoles being the reason why we dont denser hordes is a travesty..

They did

[heady rapids]

fuck consoles man....

[sterile basalt]

Which map

[heady rapids]

remember infinite hordes bug

that was fun

[carmine falcon]

i like the density just fine tbh

[copper hawk]

They reduced enemy density on console release due to console performance

[carmine falcon]

if anything some maps are too long and have too many fights

[copper hawk]

It was a silent change a while back

[native whale]

i just wanna bonk people into the next heaven

[copper hawk]

Around the time the enemies were buffed across the board

[native whale]

im waiting to get the thunda hamma

[copper hawk]

It was a game wide change

[sterile basalt]

Patch 13?

[copper hawk]

Ask a playtester or a dev for more details

[native whale]

cus it makes everything look like a nail

[sterile basalt]

Aren’t those supposed broken spawns

[copper hawk]

Cuz i too eepy 2 rember

Those Broken Spawns™️

[heady rapids]

well they aint too keen on fixing them!!!!

[copper hawk]

Like those totally working as intended magnetic hounds

[sterile basalt]

A few maps still have spawns working fairly well

[copper hawk]

Trips and falls on my spaghetti code and breaks my spaghetti code

[mint brook]

well, the mob has to focus someone

[copper hawk]

It's the newer maps

Dont count maps with infinite hordes either

[carmine falcon]

what broken spawns? i swear i dont run into these empty maps people bitch about

[mint brook]

the other 3 can whale on the enemy

[copper hawk]

Or, well, newest map

Second newest

[sterile basalt]

Baross

[copper hawk]

Gloriana

Gloriana is what every map should be

[sterile basalt]

Baross is not exactly new

[heady rapids]

archivum still being a free ticket to true survivor

[copper hawk]

It should be the standard

LMGAO

And archivum is what every map shouldnt be

[heady rapids]

sub 500k h40 runs

20 mins

[carmine falcon]

archuvm makes up for some downtime with a banger finale tbh

[heady rapids]

damn straight

[copper hawk]

Proof that heretics are heretics cuz they dont reas

Read

That's y they dont spawn in archivum

[sterile basalt]

Nah how is that finale a banger

So anticlimactic

[copper hawk]

It has buggy spawns

[heady rapids]

archivum finale is so boring

[copper hawk]

Moebian increases the spawn limit a bit

But it feels capped even on high int or shock troop

[heady rapids]

scanning has become pretty unfun by now

the spawns are bugged

[copper hawk]

Fuck i need to sleep

[sterile basalt]

Baross finale way better, u got planes dive bombing in the background and the elite spawns actually work

[carmine falcon]

i like it
nonstop spawns and fights while you're forced to run around th eentire map following the damn skull and paying attention to where the 1 billion snipers are shooting at you form

[sterile basalt]

So peak

[copper hawk]

I couldnt help myself w the kars apologist..

[hearty nebula]

So I'm not crazy then

[heady rapids]

moebian compensates a bit by them being fatter also

[sterile basalt]

Baross spawns more elites in finale than Gloriana even

[hearty nebula]

I always thought recently that there wasn't enough enemies at the end of archivum anymore

[copper hawk]

Archivum hi int shock or hi int moeb duo finale is very fun

[heady rapids]

archivum is an empty wasteland

[copper hawk]

U get overwhelmed fast

[hearty nebula]

Which sucks because I actually really like archivum

[copper hawk]

Underrated duo map

Same with the bridge map

[hearty nebula]

It's one of my favorite missions mostly cause of that ventilation shaft bit

[sterile basalt]

Gloriana finale only spawns like gunners and shotgunners most of the time, at most a few ragers

[copper hawk]

W the inf spawn grab the gizmo event

[hearty nebula]

Going through that and just mowing down hordes is

so good

[heady rapids]

yeah...

[carmine falcon]

baross is cool
what was the map that makes u carry big capsules and launch air strikes an d stuff at the end called
i love that one

[delicate shadow]

archivum is a fun map, scan finales suck but the map itself is fun

[sterile basalt]

Baross finale has 12 maulers walk out a door

[heady rapids]

I used to run inside the closed rooms

[copper hawk]

Gloriana is peak in the beginning and the tram

[mint brook]

what if loner made everyone in the whole teams coherency count as +1?

[heady rapids]

And get softlocked

[copper hawk]

After that it falls off

[heady rapids]

lmao

[sterile basalt]

That’s about it tbh

[copper hawk]

I think what would fix loner is if it was just made like vets passive

[hearty nebula]

still dookie

[sterile basalt]

Baross is just consistently peak

[copper hawk]

The middle one ?

[mint brook]

or while loner is active for you, allies gain 20% of the toughness you gain?

[maiden forge]

So called loners when they buff coherency number

[copper hawk]

The increased damage in coherency

[heady rapids]

survivalist

[sterile basalt]

Not worth

[hearty nebula]

still dookie

[mint brook]

and second idea?

[copper hawk]

It needs to be fundamentally changed

[hearty nebula]

^

[copper hawk]

Same w shroudfield

[hearty nebula]

Loner needs outright replaced

[copper hawk]

Much like Zealot as a whole lmfao

Dogshit tree

[hearty nebula]

I just hope they don't kick FOTF in the teeth when the inevitable changes come

[copper hawk]

With antithetical to borderline toxic pathing

[sterile basalt]

Born leader if it was abysmal dogshit

[maiden forge]

My angry loud noisy zealot being stealthy impossible

[copper hawk]

Keystones that force Zealots to constantly push ahead

Or throw by taking damage

[hearty nebula]

but you know they'll do it anyways

just out of spite

[heady rapids]

I don't want my allies to get anything thank you

[carmine falcon]

i love gloriana start to finish
i like all the events, if the team sucks u get wiped in the first section and u dont waste your time
map layout is straight forward and u dont have to constantly ping people who get lost in darktide of all games to follow you

[copper hawk]

U see roundfish u did the get stronger the more hp u lose well already

In vt2

U couldve just

Did that

Lmfao

[mint brook]

than what can one do that would still fit a death cult assassin esque class with an aura called loner?

[maiden forge]

Buff martyrdoms numbers and make it stack on 6 wounds 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[copper hawk]

Give marty unique temp hp adjacent system

And it wouldnt be throwing

[hearty nebula]

I love maps that just crush you at the start if your team sucks it's funny as hell

[delicate shadow]

taking damage to get marty stacks up is hardly throwing lol

[copper hawk]

I think it is

[heady rapids]

tell it to all the marty players that DIE

[delicate shadow]

just eat a couple hits and you're good to go

[copper hawk]

Enemies can do chi pdamage in one hit

[hearty nebula]

This would be true if most players didn't suck

[copper hawk]

To get maximum value out of it you need to be at low hp

[heady rapids]

if they were good at the game that system would've worked

[hearty nebula]

Like I don't want to be mean

[copper hawk]

Imagine for a moment you replaced how Saltzpyre Zealot worked with how Marty zealot worked

[delicate shadow]

you can put yourself down to like 25% hp and you'll be fine and get value

[hearty nebula]

but 99% of martyrdom players I see are dogwater

[heady rapids]

I haven't seen one

that was good

and didn't go down

[hearty nebula]

Never forget the quote

[copper hawk]

No temp hp gen that makes the taking damage to receive benefits valuable

[carmine falcon]

me when the console vet shoots the barrel and yeets the entire team off the map 🔥

[hearty nebula]

"really need all them wounds, don't you?"

[carmine falcon]

2 minute wipe

[copper hawk]

And the value you get form damage reduction being worthless if you're already at 25 hp

Woopdie doo the attack kills you anyways

[heady rapids]

worse dr than ij...

[delicate shadow]

I mean, if you're not being an idiot you're immortal on marty zealot lol

[sterile basalt]

Just a random dumb idea
All players gain +% toughness gain modifier, scaling inversely with coherency value (the fewer coherency a player has, the more toughness gain they have)

Value scales higher than Ogryn’s middle aura at 2 or lower coherency

[copper hawk]

The entire idea of taking less damage at lower hp works on saltz zeal because of temp hp

That's the whole gimmick

[hearty nebula]

Yeahh

It doesn't work well in DT

[heady rapids]

Sister of the thorn

[copper hawk]

It doesnt

[hearty nebula]

Mostly just cause like

There's no way to actually do it

[copper hawk]

Because theres no temp hp to have damage be reduced on

[hearty nebula]

There's nothing supporting martydom in that way

[copper hawk]

It's all to your hp

[delicate shadow]

like I don't like martyrdom just because it encourages some degen gameplay but the keystone absolutely does work

[copper hawk]

Since enemies can break tness and deal full damage simultaneously

[hearty nebula]

Martyrdom would be infinitely more useful if it prevented chip damage to health altogether

Excepting specialists/fire damage/explosions etc

that sort of stuff

[copper hawk]

The damage reduction in zealot saltz would let you eat some blackrat hits because you're at 1 real hp and 149 temp hp

[copper hawk]

Yeah

[maiden forge]

Honestly it is a very mid talent but I like the aesthetic + dying in the emperors service is goated

[copper hawk]

Again, what purpose does max tdr from health lost do if you're at 20 hp

Nothing

[carmine falcon]

i shit on the entire map when i use marty well but always go back to piety or IJ cause i feel like marty punishes my poor defense a lot

[delicate shadow]

on zealot the optimal build doesn't even run the DR at low health though, you run the bonus healing at low health so you can rubberband your thp real easily

[copper hawk]

20 or 100 you're going down regardless because attacks can ignore toughness

[maiden forge]

What greater deed then to die in the god emperors service tho

[delicate shadow]

otherwise it's just THP and Barkskin and that's a universally available setup

[copper hawk]

The chip damage is just an added penalty

[heady rapids]

vermintide

[sterile basalt]

Martyrdom should modify %toughness gain to allow you to stay at 100% toughness very easily

[copper hawk]

The thp dr not being the most viable option serves my argument lol

What you just said is your build builds around rubberbanding your thp

The class functions around thp

Thp is what makes it work

[visual stream]

I just got here is shat saying that martyrdom isn't good

[spare talon]

what do i play
psychotic taxe psyker
or psychotic taxe zealot

[delicate shadow]

I mean no it would be the most viable if the healing wasn't mathematically better but barkskin exists and DR is multiplicative

[visual stream]

Oh we're talking about Vermintide

[copper hawk]

You making and building around it is an argument for it

[maiden forge]

Psychotic

[carmine falcon]

psychotic relic blader haha

[copper hawk]

Yes

[spare talon]

thats not a taxe

[copper hawk]

Or scale chip damage

[mint brook]

but the value?

i mean 10% would be dookie

[native whale]

ypo theres a revolver

is it good?

[copper hawk]

Yes

Very good

[visual stream]

Top tier

[maiden forge]

Also chadam jensen

[opal star]

revolver's meta so uh, yeah

[copper hawk]

Zarona is one of the best wpns in the game

[carmine falcon]

its like 3 axes on top of each others 🔥

[delicate shadow]

like Martyr zealot in DT does actually work but it should be changed because wound stacking and such is kinda bleh conceptually, it's too gimmicky

[copper hawk]

For vet and zeal

[maiden forge]

What you doing in darktide smh go back to mankind divided

[copper hawk]

Too gimmicky

Your benefits are undone via chip damage

[visual stream]

Unfortunately a cowboy gun does indeed kill a tank-armored ogryn in less bullets than the explosive rocket-propelled gun that's the size of a torso

[carmine falcon]

i never asked for this

[visual stream]

For balance makes sense tho

[copper hawk]

Make it so if you take hp damage beyond your hit you just lose a wound immediately, or the damage is dealt as corruption damage or something if ur hr isnt up

[native whale]

i just saw revolver and all i heard was cowboy music

[delicate shadow]

I'ma be real every time I've played Marty zealot chip damage has really not been a problem, especially since you can just proc holy rev absolute worst case

[sterile basalt]

Smth like
+8% per -1 coherency

So at lone coherency you get +24% to all toughness gain sources (melee kills, talents, blessings)

2 coherency, 16% (barely better than Ogryn’s aura)

3 coherency, 8% (still works)

Max coherency, does nothing

[maiden forge]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-jensen-deus-ex-deus-ex-human-revolution-human-revolution-deus-ex-mankind-divided-gif-17648135389382160139

[copper hawk]

That's the issue

[long oasis]

one of the marks lets you fan fire on ads

true cowboy times we're living in

[delicate shadow]

I've never had scenarios where I've gotten done in by damage on martyr that wouldn't have killed me on any other build anyway

[copper hawk]

Why bother taking all yhat damage to receive any benefits if chip damage undoes it and resets your biggest safety net

[carmine falcon]

at max marty stacks you're killing things too fast to get chipped
i only prefer others cause they have bonuses for ranged weapons while marty is all melee

[copper hawk]

When you can run around 15 meters for better benefits insta tly

[native whale]

i either want the revolver or the double barrel shotgun

[copper hawk]

And not have to take damage for your keystone to work

Or just kill 25 enemies and get a flat massive tdr + more tness on kill

[delicate shadow]

I mean if you're arguing that martyr isn't as good as IJ, then sure

[copper hawk]

It's massively overshadowed by the other keystones

[maiden forge]

Tbh just run martyrdom with the healing one and the one where u don’t die every two minutes

[copper hawk]

And the risk outweighs the rewards offered by other keystones

Tldr it sucks

[maiden forge]

And it’s marginally better then running matrydom raw

[heady rapids]

but you can't die to get to full health......

[visual stream]

I mean

[copper hawk]

IJ provides better tdr for no risk

[heady rapids]

i can die 6 times......

[native whale]

lemme guess if the thunder hammer meta?

[copper hawk]

And additional damage

And piety zeal gives u better tdr for 25 dead gloopers

:p

Marty stinks

[carmine falcon]

i like marty cause it makes my big bonk sticks go fast brrrrr

[copper hawk]

Chum it !!

[delicate shadow]

weakest keystone but by no means unusable

[carmine falcon]

but i can also just play piety spam fotf and get extra speed

[visual stream]

Martyrdom's main purpose assumably is to keep you alive and it gives you constant damage uptime if you just stay at low health and live off of HR

[heady rapids]

and bad cdr.........

[copper hawk]

It's the current fnp of zealot

[heady rapids]

Honestly it's the worst one for keeping you alive

[visual stream]

Bad CDR I agree

[heady rapids]

Genuinely

[delicate shadow]

like ngl a lot of the bellyaching about zealot being the worst class I just don't buy, it feels like all the previous ogryn complaining. Zealot needs changes but strength wise, regardless of keystone, it keeps up with anything else just fine

[long oasis]

every other keystone is overshadowed by the chastise - piety - 10 sec cdr loop

[visual stream]

Truedge

[native whale]

its funny you dont even gotta do the meta you can just use whatever ya want in this game

[maiden forge]

You know what needs tweaking

[visual stream]

Zealot isn't weak at all, the tree just needs love and reasons to path in other places

[maiden forge]

Veteran

Need more ranged damage on my ranged damage dps

[sterile basalt]

It’s all very dumb because the 1.5 builds they have is genuinely broken on many levels

[long oasis]

imagine if loner aura was actually cool

[carmine falcon]

tbh the common opinion here is that the class is busted but basically 0 build variety

it has like meh/shit nodes then BAM insta win button

[visual stream]

I can't hear you over my 50 passive damage bonuses

[sterile basalt]

Hell yea

[heady rapids]

zealot is w+m1 meme class

[long oasis]

needs more ranged nodes honestly

[maiden forge]

Needs more

[sterile basalt]

Veteran actually needs talent tree changes

But zealot needs it more than veteran, at the moment

[carmine falcon]

its literally peak
just me, my m1 and my reactions

[maiden forge]

Let’s raise the level cap to 40

[native whale]

zealot is the angry religous nun

[maiden forge]

*without the power armor

[native whale]

indeed

[carmine falcon]

i hope whoever makes zealot rework makes it out of pure love and passion for the playstyle like the ogryn guys did

instead of just spreadsheet gaming balance

[plush estuary]

I'll do that

[carmine falcon]

based

[broken walrus]

I just want to run as fast as I can into a horde of enemies and bathe in their blood. Is that too much to ask for?

[long oasis]

Ainz should become the Fatshark so we can get swift and quality updates

[strange portal]

@hard axle any chance we will get some sister of battle drip?

[maiden forge]

Never happening chief

[strange portal]

[delicate shadow]

yea I agree with that but seeing people say zealot is the weakest class now as of ogryn rework is just like...I want what they're smoking

[carmine falcon]

who are these people and why are they dumb

[strange portal]

itd look so good

[delicate shadow]

we're so absurdly powercrept anyway I don't see much value in class comparisons

[visual stream]

It's because they're huffing the biggest damage=bestest class gas

[maiden forge]

It would but this isn’t that game sadly

[sterile basalt]

No chance
Only doomposting and misery

[long oasis]

has zealot ever been "weak"? I've legit never heard anyone say that before

[delicate shadow]

zealot has never been weak at any point

[maiden forge]

This is average acolyte simulator within the imperium

[distant yoke]

And here I thought common opinion was calling the rework a nerf

[sullen forge]

If its not the build its a Lukewarm class that does meh damage

[sterile basalt]

Only zealot mains will say zealot is weak (they’re overpowered)

[carmine falcon]

zealot is strong and will remain strong regardless of other classes getting buffed or nerfed

[strange portal]

zealots got a big bolter and a big sword... every thing dies

[sullen forge]

when you do "the build" you'll destroy anything

[long oasis]

true

[sullen forge]

hence we should gut Veteran

[visual stream]

Psyker has crazy damage potential, very few and very minmaxed builds can output more damage than zealot, but they're still crumpling into an implosion on ONE misplay that zealot can shrug off easily

[long oasis]

delete veteran from the game

[maiden forge]

Nah

[visual stream]

But some people say psyker is objectively better than zealot

[sullen forge]

Yes

[maiden forge]

That ruins the only guardsman experience In 40k

[sullen forge]

and?

Play Zealot

:))

[carmine falcon]

arent you a vet main

[maiden forge]

They need darktide until we get a battlefield game for 40k to satiate the guard players

[sullen forge]

Gut the class anyways

[carmine falcon]

true

[sterile basalt]

It’s ok the rumored 40k total war game that’s totally happening before 2050 will save us

[carmine falcon]

voc spammers trivilizing melee malestroms 😠

[broken walrus]

I think a perfect Psyker is stronger than a perfect Zealot, but the average player is going to be better at Zealot

[visual stream]

I wonder how that would work

[maiden forge]

Need space marine game but instead with sisters of battle

[strange portal]

HELL YEAH

[sterile basalt]

Some aspects of veteran’s kit need small nerfs / reworks

Most of veteran’s kit needs small buffs

[visual stream]

Need space marine game but with rejects and called Darktide 2

[maiden forge]

And instead of fighting tyranids you just fight every single heretic astartes faction cuz their all dicks

[carmine falcon]

i think zealot is just very forgiving once u get the hang of it
it allows you to make stupid plays that would get other classes nuked and i dont want that to ever change
it makes for fun gameplay and its good theamtically, im a raging lunatic fanatic charging headfirst at things yeeehawww

[visual stream]

A story game where you play as an inquisitor like Eisenhorn would be cool

[maiden forge]

Except emperors children their too busy to fight

[long oasis]

brain fungus 💀

[broken walrus]

Yeah, nothing beats dashing into a horde of heretics

[visual stream]

Investigating things and dealing with chaos/xenos, etc. equally

[sullen forge]

The humble cordyceps:

[sterile basalt]

It’s very cute

[native whale]

the more left to go on the class selection the smarter you have to play

[maiden forge]

Ig but zealot is second from the left

[carmine falcon]

i see people posting melee psyker and id suck ass at that class ngl
wowzah 1 billion dmg but gets insta nuked after 1 mistake

id legit have to relearn the entire game

[maiden forge]

Weaker zealot but magical

[sullen forge]

reminder Zealot has a get out of jail free card that any good player can abuse

[maiden forge]

Yeah cuz book is goated

[sullen forge]

you literally cannot go down unless you're bad

Until Death

[maiden forge]

https://tenor.com/view/me-showing-me-showing-slime-monsters-vs-aliens-gif-23921689

Zealots with their little relic

[carmine falcon]

you use until death to get another chance
i use until death to make braindead plays and get away with it

[sullen forge]

Same shit basically

LMAO

[carmine falcon]

I LOOOOVE RUSHING IN NOT CARING FOR MY HP KNOWING ILL LIVE ANYWAY

[carmine falcon]

that's the joke

[sullen forge]

ZEALOT GAMEPLAY 🗣️

[maiden forge]

Take a talent that heals you when you take damage

💅

[broken walrus]

Group of shooters and gunners with nothing in between you and them. Press F for maximum fun

[carmine falcon]

too many points to get it

[maiden forge]

Heal up your stupid decision making

[carmine falcon]

im never giving up thy wrath

[maiden forge]

I’m sure you can do wrath with it

(I have 200 hours I don’t remember any talent names)

[carmine falcon]

isnt that talent middle tree

[long oasis]

im pretty sure you cant do both

[carmine falcon]

i literally took annoint and purge off to get twbs and good balance cause why tf not

[maiden forge]

Nah I like middle tree that’s epic

Either way me personally

[carmine falcon]

oh no my bolter will only take off half boss hp bar instead of two thirds big deal wooooo

[maiden forge]

What the fuck is momentum key stone

Never ran it before cuz it seems like it’s only good for the opening hit and that’s it

[carmine falcon]

nah ij is cracked

u literally get stacks for moving and dodging (playing the game)

its free extra dmg and speed

[sterile basalt]

Martyrdom if it was good

[north sedge]

It's not just first hit

[carmine falcon]

zealot keystones be like
play the game = win

[maiden forge]

But martyrdom is good wdym

Dying in the emperors service is amazing

Literally the greatest thing you could bestow to a zealot

I’m met Santa clause on darktide and his present was eternal life

[carmine falcon]

i dont think anyone is discussing these talents theamatically here tho

[maiden forge]

Just so I could serve the emperor more

[broken walrus]

But if your life is eternal, you cant give it to the emprah

How can I die for big E if I cant die

[maiden forge]

Yeah that takes away one point from an objective 10/10

[maiden forge]

Doing the emperors bidding is still goated

[north sedge]

A man working at wendys told me the god emperor protects after i ordered my baconator in the drive thru, it was the worst day of my life

[hexed igloo]

I shot the last Wendy's drive thru guy because they fucked up my order

[maiden forge]

Fair

I don’t got like a joke or a bit for that chief that’s just fair

[heady rapids]

Those fucking serfs...

[native whale]

jeez the revovler is so good

[visual stream]

Ran into Dorn in a pub

[native whale]

the axe is a bit lacking ngl

[visual stream]

"Do you miss zealot chat"
"Some people"

[visual stream]

Which one?

[heady rapids]

Darcy....

[native whale]

tatical

[visual stream]

I think tac axe really likes carpal tunnel syndrome

Jokes aside IIRC it only works well when built correctly

[maiden forge]

What was rogal doing in the pub bro

Put his ass back on holy terra

He needs to fortify it more

It needs to be virtually impossible to escape or enter the palace

[visual stream]

My largest lingering memory of her was when she said something about Islam and then got banned

At least I think she did after that

[native whale]

even tho zealot is mostly built around melee

its kinda lack luster

[visual stream]

Very much not

What weapons have you used and what have you put on them and your talent tree?

[native whale]

kinda all of em

well im still starting out with zealot

[heady rapids]

zealot is a pretty straightforward class

so straightforward you only get one build

one that people can draw by memory

then just put whatever weapon you like on top

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[long oasis]

:̶.̶|̶:̶;̶

[maiden forge]

Nah

[heady rapids]

Posting loss makes you lose the game btw

[lunar fable]

bro went to sleep forever

[hexed igloo]

Wilds weapons peak

I see a Lotta people on the subreddit screaming abt how much the hammer sucks but damn it be fun

[lunar fable]

Those people just suck

[hexed igloo]

I've picked up the gunlance and damn it slaps

Hated it in world but sheeeesh

It's just dps lance

[lunar fable]

My friend was telling me how his friend said hammer sucks

But the guy only had 4 hunts with hammer

And yea gl is giga strong

[lunar fable]

Especially with burst

[hexed igloo]

Classic

[hexed igloo]

This isn't a build but rate the fit

Probably could have screenshotted from the layered menu that shows what they are

[lunar fable]

I like the xu wu armor

[hexed igloo]

It goes pretty hard

Huge fan of the jin dahad stuff too

Xu mail and helm, jin greaves and gloves, blango belt

[lunar fable]

I like the gore helm a bit too much but so many people are using it along with arkveld armor (including myself)

So I'm probably gonna swap to another preset I got

[hexed igloo]

Every other fit post I see is arkveld gear like

Yeah I get it it looks cool man

[lunar fable]

There's too many of them now

It was cool when you got it before the majority of the playerbase even got to fight arkveld

[heady rapids]

roach hunter wilds 💔

[lunar fable]

I really liked the seething bazel helm

They should bring bazel to wilds

[hexed igloo]

No patch notes no announcement

Beating up on a chatacabra and then you hear it roar

[native whale]

is the chainsword good?

[lunar fable]

I'm looking forward to future additions to the roster

The starting roster is solid imo

[native whale]

good perk for the revolver?

[misty ravine]

Yes, good for horde clear and generating crits by attacking really fast. Not great against Carapace.

[native whale]

thunderhammer good?

[misty ravine]

Yes, every melee weapon is good except Mk1 Devil's Claw and Mk4 Tactical Axe

[native whale]

huh

[mint brook]

does anyone know what death cult would opperate on atoma?

Maybe Necrophagic Cults?

[mint brook]

also reading about death cult, i think we should get twin power sword weapons

that could be some neat stuff

[nimble fiber]

[sacred jay]

Which relic sword pattern people prefer?

[tame sluice]

fun fact about MH health scaling

the health of monsters scales for 1 player, 2 players, and then 3+ players

a 4th player does not add any extra health to the monster

[heady rapids]

10

ITS ME IM THE PEOPLE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/120889695658967041/1347259997653958766/twitter_1897543465661087927.gif

[tame sluice]

except for in this instance, where he is technically adding health by proxy since he is Not doing damage

[mint brook]

btw, waiting for this baby someday: works like a flamer, has a special that is just a single target rev attack, ofc should be a slow weapon

[sacred jay]

Ive tried mk2 but its attack patterns feel really off

Charged ones especially

[frosty herald]

title updates are gonna cook so hard

mizutsune and the gathering hub in the first one

[hexed igloo]

For yall fisherfolk in wilds I have secret cursed knowledge for you

Throw lure in vague area, rotate left stick counterclockwise to slow reel

Guarantee it hooks every time before the hook reaches land

You can twitch the line all you fuckin want and nothing will bite, but the moment you start slow reeling they all lunge for it at the same time

[plucky gate]

Look at what happened to the guy that loaded in
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1348934885238378496/25AD691513DA5629.mp4?ex=67d14502&is=67cff382&hm=5be9a6b2f614bdf41666cd6d2ddff60064066ad90cd248dca65ca19a299aa815&

what the fuck

[reef flower]

Tacticaly holding position

[acoustic dune]

What is this pooptide meta

[grizzled aspen]

Mk10 technically has better scaling but mk2 is more engaging to the brain.

I personally like mk2 more than mk10.

[mint brook]

why do people scoff at shroudfield?

[grizzled aspen]

It's objectively worse in every way compared to chastise for dps and people mainly use it to dump aggro because they suck.

It's rather hard to beat 100% rending.

[mint brook]

what would it need to become a valuable skill?

[spare talon]

Being replaced

[acoustic dune]

a thammer

and thats a big if

even then shroudfield still stink

[mint brook]

i am looking to make an ogryn style rework for zealot, since the tree suffers a lot it seems

like it is the same build over and over and over

[acoustic dune]

blame that the other skill aint valuable to take

[mint brook]

thats why i am looking into it

[acoustic dune]

lemme show you my zealot skill tree

rework

[mint brook]

for reference, this is the level of work i put into stuff:

https://assets.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:626efa35-7143-4d5c-9578-f93ffe5019e5?view=published

[acoustic dune]

nice adobe asset

@mint brook

i assure you

the ferret is required

[mint brook]

i try to understand it, but this is incredible chaos

[acoustic dune]

i dont even remenber what i green screen

[mint brook]

i will basically check into each subclass, check lore, look at the context of the games gameplay and then look into what sucks and whats great and then change things based on that

the biggest issue rn is, i dont get what exactly about shroudfield makes it a strictly worse than FOTF

[acoustic dune]

bigJ wheres my mordhau fiend request

[mint brook]

i am mainly an ogryn player so i need people with more knowhow to explain things to me

[acoustic dune]

fotf give you invincibly frame

also faster cooldown

more spamibility

etc

[twin wagon]

I think the bigger issue of shroudfield, is that it simply cannot be reworked, whatever you do will make it either op or useless, as it tends to be with stealth abilities

My suggestion? Replace it with a fire related ability, like all attacks applying fire dot or whatever, in general right side could do with some fire based abilities that I believe to be thematic for zealot

[acoustic dune]

i do not agree

we need bleed stack

[twin wagon]

I agree with myself

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1113895557778374666/mematicMeme.gif

[acoustic dune]

nuh uh

you do not

i would not

[mint brook]

i think replacing it with fire makes little sense, why? Cause it is a deathcult assassin

[twin wagon]

Maybe make the zealot coat the weapon in prometheum or inhale it for some firebreath, we could in necromunda (tabletop)

[mint brook]

those guys are all about quick and deadly kills, shroudfield makes sense, however, i think it can be made great

here is my suggestion

[acoustic dune]

tbh a skill ability that let you do hyper big damage without the niche of it being stealth

would be ok

shroudfield suck when i have to take my time to prep a shot

aswell shroudfield completely break the game mechanic

why do you think its the go too for speedrun havoc 40 run

[twin wagon]

stealth and speed have broken tide games since vt2

handmaiden weaves

[acoustic dune]

jesus christ i have blood everywhere

i might need to eat spaghetti to hide all this blood

[grizzled aspen]

It should be replaced with a duration type buff, like how vet has exe stance or psyker has scriers gaze.

[mint brook]

Shroudfield
Enter Stealth for 5s, while in stealth gain 25% movement speed, 200% backstab damage and 100% chritical strike cahnce

Perfectionist
When Killing and Elite Enemy or above during stealth, extend the duration by 2s, up to 6 sedonds

Deaths Hand (replaces Master crafted shroudfield
When Exiting stealth, Gain no movement penalty for charging heavy attack, +25% movement speed and damage and the ability to move through enemies for 7s

invigorating revelation
When Exiting stealth, you cloak a second time.

[grizzled aspen]

No.

Stealth, inherently, is bad for the game.

It should be a vet only thing.

[mint brook]

vets would claim it shouldnt be

[grizzled aspen]

Well they're entitled to their wrong opinion.

[mint brook]

but thats nor here or there, what makes it so bad compared to vermintides stealth if stealth even is a bad thing.

[acoustic dune]

Perfectionist would literally break the game

i would argue that if you want to stay with stealth

[grizzled aspen]

Do you understand that shroudfield allows zealout to complete h40 by themselves in under 10 minutes?

Stealth is an unhealthy mechanic.

[acoustic dune]

is a damage multiplier stack for each elite krill

[lean lark]

stealth would be a good mechanic if there was any sort of mission that would require stealth

which in a horde game

can barely exist

[grizzled aspen]

It lacks the dps potential that chastise does and it, inherently, doesn't have a place.

[acoustic dune]

shroudfield need to be a absolute damage dealer for it to be fun

[mint brook]

yes but what makes it not okay in darktide, but in vermintide is accepted?

[acoustic dune]

break spawn

[grizzled aspen]

Infiltrate is much better as a stealth ability because the intent for it is to stealth, approach a group of shooters, and then break stealth to suppress them.

[acoustic dune]

bad for teamate

etc

[mint brook]

what do you mean exactly with break spawn?

[grizzled aspen]

Exactly what he said.

[acoustic dune]

frog you got a clip?

[grizzled aspen]

Stealth breaks spawns.

[mint brook]

as in enemy spawns or chaos spawns boss

[acoustic dune]

when you have no presence on the map
the ai director would not spawn anything

[grizzled aspen]

Basically, think of it like this: specialists and elites do a bit of math in their own separate little noggins to determine who they target, yeah?

[acoustic dune]

best way i can visual give you

https://tenor.com/view/monte-python-run-away-get-out-of-here-escape-running-gif-4399862

[grizzled aspen]

If they are still doing that, and one player disappears off their radar, they have to restart their math before they can leave the spawn door.

[acoustic dune]

this is shroudfield solo

you completely ignore the game itself

[grizzled aspen]

Also, what Knify said, stuff will straight up not spawn if the director does not detect a player.

So not only can you pause targeting and retargeting math for these enemies, you can turn off their ability to spawn entirely.

[acoustic dune]

just change shroudfield to BIG damage dump

lemme stack damae via killing special and or elite

it would be funny

stay with the concept of single target hitman

[mint brook]

is there literally no way to keep stealth without having to remove it?

[grizzled aspen]

So, as I said, shroudfield has two key issues:

1. it competes with chastise as a one and done ability for dps
2. stealth is inherently a bad ability for the games health

[acoustic dune]

with how the game it is right now?

no

unless we have a new stealth detector unit

[grizzled aspen]

The only way to rectify these issues is to do an entirely different ability.

I, frankly, would rename dance of death to something else and use dance of death as the name for a new ability.

[mint brook]

then why do we have stealth in vermintide? is the ai jsut different there?

[acoustic dune]

diversity

thats it

[grizzled aspen]

Vermintide is 90% melee and 10% ranged.

Darktide is more like 60% melee and 40% ranged.

[acoustic dune]

dont take my word actually

[grizzled aspen]

Depending on the mission seed you get.

[acoustic dune]

i dont play vermintide

i cant say shit

[acoustic dune]

depending the build

i run vet with only guns

[grizzled aspen]

Also the elites that spawn in darktide are significantly harder to deal with than the ones that spawn in vermintide.

[acoustic dune]

recon my beloved

[grizzled aspen]

One chaos warrior is like one crusher, and the game doesn't throw 4 chaos warriors at you at a time unless you do some shit like cata.

And in cata, it doesn't matter if a chaos warrior hits you, because everything is lethal.

[mint brook]

yes but how does that fall into the weight of stealth = bad in darktide?

[grizzled aspen]

We've literally explained it four times.

You break and prevent spawns.

And people mainly use it for aggro dumping.

[mint brook]

yes but the answer or puzzle isnt compelte

[grizzled aspen]

It literally is.

If you break core game mechanics outside of what is intended, the ability is bad and needs to be scrapped.

[mint brook]

so i asked, what makes it bad, you say, spawns, i say why is it fine in vermintide, you say its 90% melee and 10% range there, so how does that fall into the weight of stealth = bad

[acoustic dune]

because vermintide is vermintide

[grizzled aspen]

I also said elites in vermintide are far easier to deal with.

[acoustic dune]

its like sayin its fine in payday2

[grizzled aspen]

And also, dont compare two different games.

[acoustic dune]

2 different would have 2 different issue

speaking of which

[mint brook]

actually, you should, comparing things can help understanding

[acoustic dune]

i need to replay payday2

[acoustic dune]

yes and no

you are comparing 2 different mechanic

[grizzled aspen]

Lemme put it like this, yeah? There's 4 bulwarks coming to beat you to death, so you pop stealth, and they go to beat your teammate to death. Do you think this is a wise ability design?

[mint brook]

like, your obvious answer is, v2 and darktide are two different games, then question is, how are they different that it is fine on one and not the other

[acoustic dune]

what you would compare to other game is what make it great and fun

[grizzled aspen]

Oh and vermintide also only has one true disabler.

[mint brook]

so the issue is that the now harder to deal with elites, now got a new target, where in vermintide dumping wouldnt be as bad due to lesser threats in general

[acoustic dune]

zealot only dies by trapper and or dogs

[grizzled aspen]

That being the hook rats.

[mint brook]

gutter runners tho

[grizzled aspen]

Push.

If you hear whispers, push.

[mint brook]

okay what do you call a true disabler

[acoustic dune]

the trapper

[grizzled aspen]

Something that takes someone and completely removes them from the game.

[acoustic dune]

bitch fucking shoot through horde to get me

[grizzled aspen]

If a dog pounces on you, there's a number of things that can get it off yoh.

Including enemy actions.

[acoustic dune]

and sometime i dont hear her

[mint brook]

ah you mean an interruptile disabler

[grizzled aspen]

You can't get freed from a net by a flamer.

[mint brook]

gotcha

[grizzled aspen]

Hookrats don't care, if they get you, they drag you off and kill you.

Gutter runners will just sit on you and poke you to death if your teammates are dumb.

I count one sweep of my executioners sword to kill the bastard and I had it wound up the moment I saw him pounce bardin.

[mint brook]

so here is a new idea

since here is the thing

introducing ranged to the right tree is almost a hard no go

[grizzled aspen]

Actually, ranged would be good on right side.

We already have ambuscade.

But we do not need a ranged focus ability.

Something broad spectrum that buffs both melee and ranged, with a focus on melee.

[acoustic dune]

i argue that ranged for zealot would feel stinky

me think zealot should stay a heavy melee class

[grizzled aspen]

Counterargument, psyker is inherently a ranged class, but melee psyker feels great to play.

I'm not saying ranged should be the focus of this new ability, just that it should affect ranged as well.

[acoustic dune]

i argue psycher is more a glass canon then well zealot

i love melee psycher

but it does kinda suck

since it cant survive much

[grizzled aspen]

Here's my take.

rename the current Dance of Death talent to something else
use the Dance of Death name for this new ability
activating Dance of Death will not have a duration, but it is canceled when you take hp damage, then begins a 45s cooldown
any valid dodge, up to 15, will grant a stack of Dance of Death
each stack increases melee finesse by 2% and ranged finesse by 1%, as well as increasing melee crit chance by 2% and ranged crit chance by 1%

Auxiliary nodes could be like "Dance of Death no longer cancels when you take hp damage and instead has a fixed 30s duration."

This would address the issues of shroudfield being bad while also giving zealout some sustain.

[lusty wren]

shroudfield being bad

[grizzled aspen]

It is.

[acoustic dune]

hot take ik

[grizzled aspen]

That's not a debate.

It just is.

[lusty wren]

If you think so

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lol-headache-cute-funny-gif-26526333

[grizzled aspen]

I dont "think so," I know so.

Falls behind chastise dramatically in dps output and stealth is factually a bad mechanic.

If you ever mog a chastise zealout with shroudfield, then they just fucking suck lol.

[acoustic dune]

mog

@spare talon mpreg was the reason we got a zealot chat dark age

PREASE

NO MORE

[mint brook]

so here is what i will suggest:
Shroudfield
Gain +30% move speed, 100% backstab damage and finesse damage, and count as dodging against ranged for 3 seconds.

Perfectionist mutally exclusive
Weakspot Kills during shroudfield grants you 2% attack speed speed for 5s after Shroudfield ends

Master crafted Shroudfield mutally exclusive
Unchanged

Neurotoxin
While in shroudfield, hit enemies gain 4 stacks of bleed.

the reason why ranged makes little sense, is cause death cults frown upon the use of ranged weapons

so i think its best to try and make something falvourful that can work

[acoustic dune]

the crit synergy with neutoxin would be crazy

if it was a thing

[mint brook]

i was genuinely thinking of changing inex keystone

to have bleed in it and remove the bleed talent

it is basically a must pick on 99% of zealot builds

i feel like left tree should be the crit tree

let the right tree be melee focus and high mobility hyper agressive playstyle

[acoustic dune]

all zealot skill is hyper agressive

reason i pick chorus over foft

i like to push

hard

[mint brook]

death cultists are basically said to look like complete butchers, when it is a deliberate and complex ritualistic dance

right now, i do not get that feeling when playing a right tree

i just feel like, hurr durr, i steb, i cloak

[acoustic dune]

insert eating spaghetti

[mint brook]

no, pizza is where its at

[acoustic dune]

https://x.com/shenanigansen/status/1886511938643140821

Shen Comix (@shenanigansen) on X

X · Feb 3, 2025, 8:27 PM

[mint brook]

careful what you wish for lmfao

[acoustic dune]

i would like me a messy women

and or man

[mint brook]

lol

[acoustic dune]

anyhow yeah

shroudfield stinky stinky

[mint brook]

the more i read about deathcult

the less stealth makes sense

[acoustic dune]

poeople should play chorus more outside of havoc

i love chorus

lemme push stuff off da cliff

[mint brook]

i am also planning on touching chorus

[acoustic dune]

you should teabag people

revive time is almost perfect chorus stagger

[grizzled aspen]

Scourge should not be removed.

[mint brook]

why?

i monopolized the tree pretty much

[grizzled aspen]

Bread and butter node for higher crit chance.

It needs to be put somewhere else, probably left side, considering it's crit.

The big part of rebalancing zealouts tree isn't actually nodes like that though.

First comes toughness generation issues.

[mint brook]

i thought about making bleed seperate from the crit and make the crit different

[grizzled aspen]

Which I've spoken on until I'm blue in the face.

[mint brook]

Scourge can be removed if the whole tree as a whole becomes more interesting honestly, or split its components up

yeah zealot regenerates toughness quicker than a millionaire launders cash

[grizzled aspen]

Not if you ignore abilities.

The only toughness gen node that's worth a damn is second wind.

Vicious offering is cool but it's 4 points and that's not cool.

[mint brook]

i genuinely think, seeing ogryns rework, zealots and vets tree became boring

[grizzled aspen]

EWEW is too low magnitude and has a terrible activation requirement, voice of terra is worse o4b.

[mint brook]

like the top tree of vet is so empty it hurts

[acoustic dune]

again

[mint brook]

and zealots tree is also rather barren

[acoustic dune]

best rework would be this

[grizzled aspen]

Blood redemption is 2.5% more toughness on melee kill and stalwart gets an honorable mention of 2% more per kill.

All in all it's just bad, second wind aside.

I'm not even gonna look at inebriate's poise on ij or popping piety regenerating full toughness because those are not reliable.

[mint brook]

i also had an idea for additional blitz enhancments

for blades, i thought about a rising bonus in damage that dissapears once you take out your ranged weapon

[grizzled aspen]

That actually sounds sick.

[mint brook]

thats what i mean, i dont wnna ruin zealot

i look into what it means being a death cult

and try to put that into the game

what about a secondary enhacnement that give you blade back on weakspot kill every 5s

sorry for slurring so much, i am getting real tired here, been up for a while

[grizzled aspen]

Nah that's a bit too much.

[mint brook]

aight, fair enough

[acoustic dune]

tknife is pretty on where it is right now

[grizzled aspen]

It's already 1 back every time you kill an elite or specialist.

[mint brook]

isnt it on melee kill only?

[grizzled aspen]

Now, a node that would refund a knife if you kill an elite or specialist with the throwing knife could be in order.

[mint brook]

i spose thats fine

[mint brook]

thing is, i try to make something where you can at best ditch your ranged weapon

i even thought about a talent that reduces your total ammo, but increase melee/ranged damage

[acoustic dune]

ok hear me out

a weapon that take both slot

[mint brook]

i rather then have a talent that would force 2 melee weapons

but i feel like that might be too ... intrusive? is that the word?

[acoustic dune]

ok hear me out

a skill tree for zealot

that let dual wield weapon

and make a major overhaul

that only let you only to take only melee wepaon

[mint brook]

should be its own weapon, death cultists use twin power blades

[acoustic dune]

let us run with what we arleady have

[mint brook]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/d/dc/DeathCultNew.jpg

old model i know

[acoustic dune]

hot

[mint brook]

but those weapons imo are somewthing we should get

honestly, just give us a cosmetic for relic blade to give it a curve

and an actually new twin power blade

same stat modifiers as relic balde but weaker and MUCH faster and agile

[acoustic dune]

jsut reuse the dual blade

give us this

[mint brook]

I mean idk if its that easy

You usually can never just port something

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/tokyo-revengers-tokrev-mikey-sano-manjiro-sano-michael-sano-gif-26490653

Eugh

[mint brook]

Yo you good?

[acoustic dune]

dont mmind cica

he is the local bumpy weird

or was it weird bumpy

[copper hawk]

No sleep

8 hr shift

Zombie time

[mint brook]

No sleep team lets go

Lets zombie it out together

[open echo]

Its the goober again :0

[open echo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-missile-explosion-kitten-baby-gif-12020335096465661960

Whats the current crusher build?

Or what you recommend

[mint brook]

honestly, i love the incindiary shotgun on right tree builds

[acoustic dune]

shroudfield loner

[copper hawk]

Dont listen to knify

It's ij

[mint brook]

mods

can we ban wrongthink?

[acoustic dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159670350423011338/1345776433947218004/neuro_sama_head_bob.gif

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/mald-seethe-cope-russianbadger-gif-25744421

[mint brook]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-gif-4293822915483464517

[open echo]

No

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/first-feeling-life-wizard-gif-1498576254792154599

[mint brook]

bro!

[copper hawk]

2 points to spare

[mint brook]

you may not like it

but i love this shotgun:

[copper hawk]

Actually three technically

Drop crit tdr

[open echo]

Nnoooo don’t makrb me pick, ill spend hours deciding lmao :3

I assume good balance and something thou

[acoustic dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMv21Q5IQPQ

[copper hawk]

Yah

[open echo]

Howcome builds take good balance now?