That sounds better than the fate Frog has for me if I end up liking the gun in hades 1
#zealot-class
acoustic dune
That sounds better than the fate Frog has for me if I end up liking the gun in h...
theres gun in hades?
placid fiber
theres gun in hades?
Apparently, I haven't unlocked it yet. You have to reload it after you run out of ammo
Frog prefers loner to it, that's how bad his hate for that weapon is
grizzled aspen
It's SO fucking bad.
But apparently there's an aspect that makes it usable.
I aint about to grind titan blood for that though, I've got to upgrade Stygius first.
Hexagryph is the very last weapon you can unlock btw.
placid fiber
It's SO fucking bad.
That's what kinda makes me nervous that I might end up liking it. Idc how good a weapon is, and it literally can not be worse to use than the hades 2 weapon I hate... 4 ammo that you have to manually move towards to pick back up(It has a dash like the shield which can help, but, still) like the hades 1 casts...
grizzled aspen
You start with Stygius, then Achilles spear (the name eludes me), Heartseeker, and Shield of Chaos become unlockable, then there's the Fists of Chaos, then there's Hexagryph.
heady rapids
"numbers wise" doing some heavy lifting here
placid fiber
So far my 2 favorite weapons are the spear and the bow, the shield is definitely growing on me tho
grizzled aspen
Fists will become unlockable after you get everything before it, and Hexagryph will become unlockable once you get Fists.
placid fiber
the sword I can't get a feel for, yet, but I think I will end up liking it more later
grizzled aspen
The gun is the best weapon in the game
Apparently only if you run a specific aspect.
undone pewter
Aspect of strife I think
acoustic dune
oh btw phill
grizzled aspen
If 3 of 4 aspects are bad then it's a bad weapon.
grizzled aspen
the sword I can't get a feel for, yet, but I think I will end up liking it more ...
Stygius gets better once you get aspects unlocked and can get the Poseiden aspect.
undone pewter
Either way I was using aspect of demeter fists
placid fiber
I'm guessing the knockback helps a lot, with the sword?
grizzled aspen
Each of the aspects do something fun, and Poseidens aspect for Stygius will dislodge cast diamonds when you use your special attack on enemies that have them stuck in them.
acoustic dune
i need help to yassify yamato phill
twink up frog boy herre is saying i need to use purple n pink
placid fiber
i need help to yassify yamato phill
grizzled aspen
I'm guessing the knockback helps a lot, with the sword?
Actually knockback is bad on Stygius, funnily enough.
placid fiber
Huh
grizzled aspen
You want knockback on shield.
placid fiber
The bow works with knockback as well, same the spear's q
grizzled aspen
Because shield only has one basic attack.
You absolutely do not want knockback on special for shield though.
placid fiber
bash, charge, attempt to captain america it
grizzled aspen
I have no clue how to use the special
It's your crowd control tool.
placid fiber
It's your crowd control tool.
Does it auto bounce to more enemies?
grizzled aspen
Like if there's a bunch of numbskulls you can throw it and oneshot all of them.
grizzled aspen
Does it auto bounce to more enemies?
Yeah.
placid fiber
Holy fuck
grizzled aspen
Bounces 3 times iirc.
So 4 hits then it returns
Zeus special gets silly with it because it'll chain lightning on every hit.
placid fiber
It's like a better cc version of the spear's throw then
grizzled aspen
Assuming I'm remembering it correctly.
placid fiber
What I am currently trying to do is gift a nectar to zeus for his keepsake, but, I haven't gotten to do that yet
Also: the alt area 1 bosses are fucking rough
grizzled aspen
Most of the keepsakes from the gods are bad.
Chaos keepsake is good.
The rest are icky.
placid fiber
Maybe, but, being able to start with a zeus boon on a weapon it works with sounds good <.<
grizzled aspen
Wow cool better rarity on boons, if only they were permanent upgrades and not passives I sacrifice better things for.
placid fiber
zeus + the triple strike no spin attack spear attack sounds really good to me
especially with jolted
grizzled aspen
If I were to rework keepsakes from the gods, I'd make the first thing you pick up be any boon from them of your choice.
However.
placid fiber
I know jolted is good, from the few hades 1 runs I have seen
grizzled aspen
You have to have picked up the boon before already.
And the passive part of better rarity would work when the keepsake isn't active, and it would be doubled if it is.
placid fiber
in hades 2 it lets you rarify a boon(up to legendary if it was a purple boon on the max lvl keepsake)
it ups the rarity by 1 level
grizzled aspen
If only Hades had mods...
placid fiber
does it just increase the chance for a higher rarity in hades 1? I didn't look closely at them
undone pewter
It also makes the first god of the run be the one who's keepsake you're holding
grizzled aspen
does it just increase the chance for a higher rarity in hades 1? I didn't look c...
Iirc it makes the first thing you pick up be that specific gods boon (no daedalus hammer chance is sad) and it increases the rarity and frequency of that gods boons.
placid fiber
also, frog: tfw you get to the area 3 boss and have almost no good damage...
grizzled aspen
Any run that starts with a daedalus hammer is a potential banger run.
grizzled aspen
also, frog: tfw you get to the area 3 boss and have almost no good damage...
Elysium?
placid fiber
Yeahy
fighting that duo is rough, and I have never had good damage when I got to em
grizzled aspen
The trick is to kill the minotaur first.
placid fiber
that minotaur is an asshole
grizzled aspen
You get to practice against him because he is also the miniboss of the area.
placid fiber
I think I should probably just get doom on my attack or q button... cuz that seems to get me decent damage
grizzled aspen
Doom should be grabbed for a move you don't use much.
On Stygius, I will only grab doom on special.
Never attack or cast.
placid fiber
well... on the spear I switch between attack and q spam depending, on the bow I mostly attack spam and try for perfect shots, on the shield I mostly use the run at you attack, and on the sword I have no clue how to use the base form well
grizzled aspen
His strict passives are great though.
heady rapids
and now he has the yee yee ass haircut...
placid fiber
yeah ares is pretty weak all things considered
that's funny because my 2nd highest damage was cause of him... my highest was jolted zeus and zap attack iirc
grizzled aspen
Hes got one that is straight up more damage on basic attacks and special after you get a kill.
grizzled aspen
and now he has the yee yee ass haircut...
What did they do to my boy?
placid fiber
What did they do to my boy?
They gave him the autopistol treatment
i think
I haven't used his boons much yet in 2
grizzled aspen
NOOOOO
placid fiber
I have heard things tho
heady rapids
it can't be that bad surely
grizzled aspen
If Hades devs drop mod support for their first game then it'd be 100x better.
placid fiber
it can't be that bad surely
anything about his boons in 2 that I have heard is negative so far lol
they could just be people not knowing how to use them, tho
grizzled aspen
Oh also @placid fiber have you found Thanatos yet?
placid fiber
Oh also <@280294444123553792> have you found Thanatos yet?
uh... um... which one is that?
grizzled aspen
uh... um... which one is that?
God of Death.
placid fiber
no
heady rapids
Ares boons revolve around in increasing Melinoë's damage. Additionally, Ares has several boons that can grant his Status Curse Wounds which causes Melinoë's strike to gain +50 power and can be re-applied after 3 seconds
merry turtle
oops
grizzled aspen
He has random encounters where he will challenge you to slay more enemies than him.
placid fiber
Ares boons revolve around in increasing Melinoë's damage. Additionally, Ares has...
Okay that is not the autopistol treatment
grizzled aspen
Okay that is not the autopistol treatment
I think he means they made Ares ugly.
Quote, "yeeyee ass haircut."
heady rapids
Mortal Gain Earth
Whenever you ran out of Magick , Prime 15 Health until the next Location to restore some Magick .
▸ Magick Restored: 100/125/150/175
Is this hera two lol
placid fiber
I can't remember it looks like, I've only taken ares like 2 or 3 times... the 2nd time was the gift the nectar to him
grizzled aspen
Likely that nasty fucking mop haircut that so many zoomers like even though it's ugly asf.
Also, why isn't Hephaestus in Hades?
heady rapids
ok he gives you attack speed now
grizzled aspen
Just realized he just straight up isn't there.
placid fiber
Also, why isn't Hephaestus in Hades?
because of how cancerous it is to have him be the pissed off god in double boon rooms
grizzled aspen
Also Apollo isn't in the first game, either...
placid fiber
damn
acoustic dune
placid fiber
I wanted increased area on my attack or q lol
grizzled aspen
Fuck, how much of the pantheon is missing...
heady rapids
Blood Spree Earth
While you have less than 40 Health , your Attacks and Specials restore Health .
▸ Life Restore per Hit: 1/2/3/4
ehhh
but aight
Mutual Destruction Earth
Gain a chance to deal 200% damage that increases the less Health you have remaining.
▸ Chance per Missing Life Point: 0.1%/0.12%/0.14%/0.16%
so he is just straight up about damage now
damage and atk spd
placid fiber
doesn't he also have one that increases damage the more boons you have?
grizzled aspen
Running through the list, you get Zeus, Poseiden, Ares, Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Dionysus, Hermes, Chaos, and Demeter.
heady rapids
Rallying Cry
While you have 8 Earth , any of your damaging effects from Olympians are stronger.
▸ Olympian Bonus Damage: +50%
undone pewter
Fuck, how much of the pantheon is missing...
A good amount given the plot it makes sense that not everybody would be there
grizzled aspen
A good amount given the plot it makes sense that not everybody would be there
Hephaestus and Apollo are both on Olympus, though...
placid fiber
I know hermes has a boon that gives dodge chance based on how many boons you have
at purple it's 1% per boon
grizzled aspen
I know hermes has a boon that gives dodge chance based on how many boons you hav...
Yeah Hermes boons are super good.
placid fiber
Yeah, especially on the slower weapons in 2
grizzled aspen
There's one that's just a flat extra dodge.
placid fiber
"why yes I would like faster cast or attack/special speed, how did you know?"
grizzled aspen
RAAAAA HADES DEVS, GIVE MOD SUPPORT TO YOUR FIRST GAME AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
placid fiber
"Oh gold now and more gold per gold gain? I already clicked yes 1000 times"
grizzled aspen
I WISH TO BACK CODE THE BOONS AND GODS FROM THE SECOND GAME INTO THE FIRST GAME AND REWORK YOUR POOPY KEEPSAKES
grizzled aspen
Seriously, keepsakes are a super annoying investment and take a lot of time to max out in the first game, even if you run one room and die.
placid fiber
I honestly only consider the god keepsakes in 1 when I want that god for my starting one...
otherwise I generally take the attack/special damage when not having a boon on them at the start
heady rapids
really like how they reworked them for 2
acoustic dune
https://tenor.com/view/my-forehead-look-at-this-big-head-gif-16942918
yakub???
grizzled aspen
If I'm going for a serious run I'll run skele's tooth for a free death defy and then swap to cerby's collar.
heady rapids
incentivisinh swapping and shit
placid fiber
otherwise I generally take the attack/special damage when not having a boon on t...
I'm guessing the t3 version of this is +100% damage, since the t2 is 75% and the t1 was 50%
heady rapids
also doesn't hades already have modding
placid fiber
do hammer affects count as boons for that hades 1 keepsake?
grizzled aspen
also doesn't hades already have modding
I... don't know?
placid fiber
https://www.nexusmods.com/hades/mods/123
I am not ready for accidentally having him be the mad god in double boon rooms, not after losing 2/3rds of my hp and like 100 armor in hades 2 in a god run...
heady rapids
placid fiber
iirc I also had the -50% damage taken with no death defies card...
grizzled aspen
IT EXISTS ON NEXUS WHAT THE HELL
Ok I'm gonna be bingeing Hades again.
Rest in pieces, my fingers.
placid fiber
I'm getting ready to probably play hades 1 some more for like the next 4 hours before work
grizzled aspen
I 100% will start a run with a daedalus hammer every time and have the choice extender be for every boon.
frosty herald
placid fiber
ever since my 1st 4 runs I've gotten really mid/bad runs. I even was so fed up with 1 of the runs I stood in the lava to end it in the 2nd area
grizzled aspen
Yeah rng sometimes just isn't fun.
Here's a tip, never go into the miniboss in Asphodel if you can help it.
ESPECIALLY if you can't attack from range.
placid fiber
I know I'm gonna get omega god runs I'll throw and omega shitty runs that I will somehow fucking clutch out for way too long
placid fiber
Yum... protein...
grizzled aspen
I know I'm gonna get omega god runs I'll throw and omega shitty runs that I will...
If you ever get a good run but you know you won't survive you can actually restart the run with the same seed.
It'll do everything exactly the same.
All spawns and choices for boons.
placid fiber
If you ever get a good run but you know you won't survive you can actually resta...
Wait... it's like hades 2 where if you end a run after wasting all rerolls you know you will get the same rerolls on that god next run(in that 1st area)?
I can't tell you how many times I've tried to get the chance for a double effect from poseiden on the 1st room and only like 1 time I've gotten it
grizzled aspen
I have no idea how Hades 2 mechanics work.
I'm just saying there's a restart function for the first game where it just sends you back to the start with the same seed.
placid fiber
well the 1st room(from a keepsake god run) will be the same if you reroll it and give up and start the run again on that side
grizzled aspen
So like, if your first boon was an Artemis boon, it will always be an Artemis boon on that seed with the same 3 choices.
placid fiber
It's like that, but, boon rerolls are the same as well
grizzled aspen
Well you don't get rerolls in the first game.
placid fiber
Damn lol
grizzled aspen
It's pick your poison and move on.
placid fiber
I was copium-ing over here that I would lol
grizzled aspen
Tbf, though, the gods are trying to break the natural order of things and drag you out of the underworld.
You care about spoilers?
acoustic dune
@frosty herald @grizzled aspen pink lips or purple?
grizzled aspen
So basically, the final boss is Hades himself, and you get to exist outside of the underworld for about 5 minutes, and then Zagreus dies.
acoustic dune
frosty herald
grizzled aspen
His body physically cannot exist outside of the underworld.
placid fiber
Ah, like mel(sort of)
grizzled aspen
Considering purple eyeshadow, pink.
Be sure you give him some super long eyelashes too.
placid fiber
His body physically cannot exist outside of the underworld.
Poor boy, all he wants is to be free but he's to goated to leave
grizzled aspen
I'm out here feeding the fire that will burn you down.
placid fiber
I will say I like zagrius' character more than mel from 2
grizzled aspen
Poor boy, all he wants is to be free but he's to goated to leave
To be fair, and to my knowledge, he is literally the God of Rebirth and Perseverence.
misty nova
So basically, the final boss is Hades himself, and you get to exist outside of t...
I like how there's dialogue if you get to Hades with no boons
acoustic dune
good lord
grizzled aspen
I like how there's dialogue if you get to Hades with no boons
THERES WHAT
YOU CAN DO THAT
placid fiber
To be fair, and to my knowledge, he is literally the God of Rebirth and Persever...
and if you aren't in the underworld you can't give passing spirits said rebirth?
grizzled aspen
Wait hold on there is a purge fountain right before cerby.
grizzled aspen
and if you aren't in the underworld you can't give passing spirits said rebirth?
I have no idea, that's just the theme of Zagreus.
grizzled aspen
Furies and titans do not return the same way he does.
placid fiber
I have no idea, that's just the theme of Zagreus.
I mean from the little I've seen of him he's goated imo. Mel isn't bad, but, she isn't that goated(at least not right off da bat)
grizzled aspen
At least, in myth, Helios (the only titan that can actually return) and furies have to return from the depths of tartarus.
All the other titans are either dead or imprisoned somewhere.
Zagreus, though, is just like "hey dad I'm gonna spawn from this pool of blood now."
acoustic dune
Excellent.
hold on
placid fiber
All the other titans are either dead or imprisoned somewhere.
"or somewhere" I know something but I'm not gonna say
grizzled aspen
I DIDNT SAY GIVE THAT MAN A BEAK
HOLY SHIT
WHATS HE GONNA DO WITH THAT
@frosty herald
acoustic dune
grizzled aspen
"or somewhere" I know something but I'm not gonna say
Go on.
placid fiber
Welp I already know this song really works well for me while playing hades 2, so I am gonna listen to it while hades 1'ing
placid fiber
That song specifically really works well for me especially with the theme of fighting in the night and when you die you come back
grizzled aspen
||Chronos||
Chronos or Kronos?
placid fiber
Uh
grizzled aspen
Two different people.
grizzled aspen
Kronos is the big 3's father.
placid fiber
It's the bigger asshole
grizzled aspen
Chronos is the god of time.
acoustic dune
I DIDNT SAY GIVE THAT MAN A BEAK
hang on
grizzled aspen
Scuse me it's not Kronos it's Cronus.
heady rapids
one is a god the other is a titan
grizzled aspen
Though there are some spellings and texts that refer to him as Kronos.
Anyway.
Chronos is a god.
The god of time, to be exact.
placid fiber
Chronos or Kronos?
I'm gonna spoiler it, but, he's a real asshole
grizzled aspen
They note this with stuff like his ability to fucking unpause your game if you pause mid fight.
placid fiber
Heh, he tries
grizzled aspen
I'm gonna spoiler it, but, he's a real asshole
Yeah he's the god of time. Look at the "necklace" he wears. Its got numerals on it representing the numbers of a clock.
The number right above his sternum, XII, is 12.
placid fiber
Unlucky for him I literally have almost every brew done in 2 <.<
grizzled aspen
To the right of that is I, being 1.
I can see where you'd get him mixed up as a titan though.
Cronus and Chronos are very similar spellings.
placid fiber
I know he's a gigantic asshole, especially for what he does to the surface
grizzled aspen
Hell, Google tries to show you Cronus instead of Chronos when you Google Chronos.
placid fiber
uncle google just woke up, he's still a bit hung over
acoustic dune
i have yamato a smoller nose
grizzled aspen
Technically, if Zagreus could get a hold of Chronos, he could get out of the underworld.
Time dilation is one of Chronos's powers.
placid fiber
The only part of this powerful song that doesn't fit hades 1 or 2 is the line "to the bible we're sworn" but the rest of the song really vibes with at least 2 for me. I'm gonna see how it vibes with 1
grizzled aspen
He could just stretch the amount of time Zagreus can be out of the underworld infinitely.
Though, knowing Greek myth, all the gods are assholes to each other, except in the case of Aphrodite and Hephaestus, so it would come at a steep cost.
(Aphrodite takes pity on Hephaestus because he is ugly)
placid fiber
Time dilation is one of Chronos's powers.
That's hella fucking powerful, but, it's trumped by 2 things: triple moon beam attack boon affected version and invuln moon mode
grizzled aspen
i am having too much fun
Give him blush lines too.
acoustic dune
Give him blush lines too.
later
grizzled aspen
That's hella fucking powerful, but, it's trumped by 2 things: triple moon beam a...
That's a lot of words, magic man.
acoustic dune
lemme ask yamato about nose side
placid fiber
I've literally melted the 2nd to last boss in the lower area in 2 with the triple moon beam in 2 beams(cuz at half it runs)
And each phase of chronos in 1 beam in like 2 seconds lol
heady rapids
Technically, if Zagreus could get a hold of Chronos, he could get out of the und...
he probably could with one of the witches brews tbh
grizzled aspen
Yeah there's no oneshot potential in the first game, you actually have to fight stuff.
placid fiber
Moon power is busted
grizzled aspen
The closest thing you can get is a max charge call and thats pretty hard to get.
placid fiber
Yeah there's no oneshot potential in the first game, you actually have to fight ...
Maybe, but, you can omega dps some of the phases with some busted boon combos(I am 99% sure of this despite only having maybe a c tier boon power(my zeus jolted 1))
it got me to the 1/3 mark in the 1st boss my 1st time fighting em lol
iirc I had no death defies either
I have figured it pretty much out: the pellet rain is generally more dangerous if you panic dodge spam <.<
just walking to the right seems to counteract it lol
Oh God...
misty nova
Marvel Rivals patch notes
Fixed Peni positioning issues
If hit by Namors Ult
Welp
Webs keep snapping
grizzled aspen
The annoying one is the one with saw blades.
placid fiber
Tisiphone is actually pretty easy, just don't panic.
the default 1st one is easy... these 2 alt ones are really rough for me
grizzled aspen
Pray for safety if you ever fight her.
grizzled aspen
(Zagreus figures out how to talk to her)
placid fiber
Also Frog you failed to remember something: I'm a panic gamer, panicking is what I do whether or not I want to... I get hit by more projectiles, but, I still do end up playing better like I do in darktide(just not to as big of a degree)
It's literally built into my instincts, idk why... I would try to turn that off for games like this or enter the gungeon if I could
I still manage to perfect gungeon bosses somewhat consistently despite being more likely to get hit by projectiles lol
Oh this is the 1 I managed to beat once at the cost of a death defy :/
The projectile shit is so much easier with the shield
grizzled aspen
Shield turns off Meg's projectiles, makes her such a weak boss.
placid fiber
holy fuck she's so fucking easy when you can block her
I only got hit like 2 or 3 times due to bad positioning with the charge
This definitely helps
I'm really a fan of cheron's keepsake despite it not giving dollery doos
Ah fuck, I want the 2 dashes, but, I can buy so much more stuff with the middle one
the prophecy thing is just a side thing for me rn
fuck idc, 4 dashes are better than 2
grizzled aspen
TWO DASHES
THE LOTTERY
Fuck 16 gold per chamber, 2 dashes is enough to make you be able to nohit with a massive safety net.
placid fiber
I know
I literally know how good 1 more dash is, idc how greedy for gold I am(due to not getting much rn)...
lol dashing 4 times is like 1 full second of i frames
formal umbra
trying to get shocking stuff is going to make me into the joker
I hate using these damn useless stun nades
placid fiber
Fuck 16 gold per chamber, 2 dashes is enough to make you be able to nohit with a...
I might loving buying every single thing I can... but yeah passing up on 2 dashes is like passing up hammer(only worse)
crimson quail
I need 700$ 
grizzled aspen
There's literally a mod where, on your 69th time talking to Dionysus, he says "hey, nice cork."
placid fiber
hah I bought a poseiden boon and the best option was the loot explosion
which gave me my money back
grizzled aspen
It also gave you gems and stuff too.
placid fiber
and almost fully healed me...
grizzled aspen
That's always nice.
placid fiber
healing, money, and 1 more nectar were the things I am the most happy about
I only have like 2 nectars, due to me gifting anybody I haven't gifted yet for my keepsake hording collection
best way to find out what is the best: Screw picking and choose, literally have everything. You can compare notes afterwards/consult with the experts lol
I did the same for hades 2
grizzled aspen
"Zagreus only says "buh"
Does what it says on the tin, Zagreus will now only say "buh" when you come out of the pool of blood in the house of Hades.
placid fiber
Charon: "insert charon talking noises"
Zagrius: "Buh"
grizzled aspen
Some of these mods are either complete shit like "give you 5000 hp so you don't have to worry about death defys" or complete gold like this meme or the "nice cork" meme.
placid fiber
Some of these mods are either complete shit like "give you 5000 hp so you don't ...
What? At that point why not just use god mode? -_-
grizzled aspen
Yeah, that's why I said they're complete shit.
misty nova
There's literally a mod where, on your 69th time talking to Dionysus, he says "h...
Quite clever
placid fiber
oh it's 80%
like why tf would you need 5k hp when you can just take 1/5th damage? :\
"Yeah I beat heat ## without god mode"
"Sweet, what was your max hp at the end"
"... uh..." coughs and mutters "like.... 5250..."
placid fiber
Yeah, that's why I said they're complete shit.
How many more times is 5khp than your max starting health capabilities(not counting the hp keepsake)? Like... 50x?
grizzled aspen
Base hp is 50.
placid fiber
Base hp is 50.
It would actually be more impressive to beat it with a maxed out god mode than to beat it with 5k base hp...
grizzled aspen
Max heat, no timer, sell every boon as soon as humanly possible.
No hammers, no centaur hearts.
You may buy items from Charon's shop, except boons.
placid fiber
I am serious, tho, 1/5th damage taken is WAY less busted than actually 100x starting health...
grizzled aspen
Especially because death defiance restores hp based on a percentage rather than a flat amount...
grizzled aspen
Your effective hp with one death defiance at 5k health is 7.5k.
You can get 2 and the skelly keepsake one.
placid fiber
I mean yeah non % based hp healing items would do less, but, dude 100x fucking starting health... why are you needing that many extra flat heals? :\
placid fiber
Your effective hp with *one* death defiance at 5k health is 7.5k.
And that's not even counting the charon shop thingy which makes you restore 10% hp each time
At 5k hp the only thing you would need to roflstomp everything is a boon/buff that gave you damage based on how much your max hp was(instead of % of hp)
do those even exist?
Uh... how dangerous is this version of lenny? <.<'
It looks kinda dangerous
placid fiber
Okay he was an asshole, the shoots fire pools
placid fiber
I just kill it and move on.
It's apparently your apprectiation day according to stan
grizzled aspen
My honest reaction.
hushed knoll
Ily
placid fiber
Welp... time to go die in elysium...
placid fiber
If I get 1 more key I can unlock the weapon that costs 8 to unlock, so here's hoping I get 1 more before I die
nimble fiber
frosty herald
@lean lark just beat the hardest monster in wilds
acoustic dune
mossa mentioned
placid fiber
Wew I beat the solo minotaur boss fight for the 1st time
I am using my cast more often now since they take more damage when affected by it... and 3 I have 3 base charges
oh fuck I gotta fight death now for getting the most kills
beat him by 3 kills
misty nova
Hi Thanatos
placid fiber
That insta kill thing he has makes it rough to beat him
nimble fiber
AZRAVAL I hope you are having a day filled with caramel corn
I would rather have normal sweet popcorn but thank u stan, I wish u a day full of popcorn of your liking aswell 
hushed knoll
I would rather have normal sweet popcorn but thank u stan, I wish u a day full o...
Thank you I like plain popcorn with no salt or butter
misty nova
Understandable
placid fiber
Welp I managed to kill the minotaur and get the other guy to 1/4th hp... if I had both of my death defies I probably would have actually won
placid fiber
I think that was my 2nd time fighting them... and my damage was pretty meh
I'm surprised I got that far, I was initially gonna say fuck it and just end the run so I could upgrade stuff and start a new one... but then I was like "fuck that, I ain't giving up without a goddamn fight"
grizzled aspen
I forget what his name is.
Thesius?
The other person in Elysium is... Patroclus?
Then in Asphodel you've got Eurydice (super cool lady btw never pass up her room) and in Tartarus you've got Sisyphus.
Eurydice can boost your power tremendously if you're lucky.
placid fiber
Welp, time to unlock this and go die with it cuz it's new
Oh fuck yeah, boxing gloves!
grizzled aspen
Welp, time to unlock this and go die with it cuz it's new
Get poseiden special.
misty nova
Never vibed with them
grizzled aspen
The knockback makes fists super fun.
placid fiber
Does it have backstab damage? It was saying backstab when I was hitting skele
placid fiber
... is this thing literally just for making a build that 1 shots almost every unarmored normal enemy? :\
placid fiber
Not the bow?
grizzled aspen
One of the aspects lets you teleport to the spear instead of having it return to you.
grizzled aspen
Not the bow?
Bow requires perfect charge shots to have good dps.
Spear is just "ooga booga stab bad guy."
placid fiber
Bow requires perfect charge shots to have good dps.
So without the hammer thing that makes perfect shots more lenient it isn't as good?
grizzled aspen
I'm not saying it isn't good.
placid fiber
Hm... I gave up after looking at the starting boon and it refunded me my eyes and that weapon isn't unlocked... I'm kinda tempted to use my 17 keys to upgrade my mirror and get 1 more key the next run...
grizzled aspen
I'm saying it's slow.
placid fiber
I get that
grizzled aspen
Spear is much faster.
grizzled aspen
Hm... I gave up after looking at the starting boon and it refunded me my eyes an...
Get all weapons before upgrading mirror.
Once you unlock Hexagryph you get to spend your titan blood on aspects.
placid fiber
Uh... but now I can get more starting max hp and have starting gold...
I also kinda want to use the spear or bow again first
grizzled aspen
The starting hp is only like 25 when it caps out.
placid fiber
that's 50% more base hp <.<'
grizzled aspen
I also kinda want to use the spear or bow again first
Well yeah you'll get to use aspects on them too though.
Unlocking weapons asap is good.
placid fiber
I think the 1st mirror upgrade was kinda mid for me cuz I am not great at using my cast(and I don't aim it well)... but these 2 other upgrades are up to 50% more starting health and starting gold(and I love buying everything)
misty mason
Good lord
placid fiber
Uh frog the hp upgrade goes to at least 50 more... which is 100% more... I just spent all the shadow I had after resetting myself on it after getting the 2nd dash, 2 death defies, and 50% more damage
placid fiber
instructions unclear, I brought a spear
misty mason
And old mate next to me snores like he's sucking a motorbikes talepipe
placid fiber
Spear is much faster.
And u can do da spin to win for a stronger 1st hit <.<'
grizzled aspen
Uh frog the hp upgrade goes to at least 50 more... which is 100% more... I just ...
I may have slightly misremembered then.
Still, aspects before mirror.
Aspects are WAY more important.
placid fiber
I haven't even unlocked aspects yet
grizzled aspen
Yeah, youll get them after you unlock Hexagryph.
Hence why I said you should unlock all weapons.
nimble fiber
And old mate next to me snores like he's sucking a motorbikes talepipe
cover his nose
grizzled aspen
Unlocking Hexagryph, then doing a run should unlock aspects to be purchaseable with titan blood.
I would personally, considering Hexagryph isnt fucking usable without one of the aspects, buy the one that makes it good first.
placid fiber
I hear you and know what you are saying is the smart thing to do, but, I literally want more starting max hp and eventually starting gold... I'm not gonna upgrade the mirror again for quite a while since it takes 20 more keys next time
grizzled aspen
I need to learn the names of spear, shield, and fists, they have proper names like how the sword is Stygius.
placid fiber
I literally need everything I can get going for me right now... x.x
grizzled aspen
Sword = Stygius
Bow = Heartseeker
Gun = Hexagryph
misty nova
Fists are Malphon or something
placid fiber
I mean... u got da sord, da thrusty thrust, da charger, da slow shoota, and da punching weapons rn for what I can get
grizzled aspen
Hexagryph is otherwise referred to as the Divine Rail.
grizzled aspen
Fists are Malphon or something
I think the only time they are ever named properly is when you fucking buy them and instantly talk to Skele.
Shield, iirc, is named properly when you talk to Zeus with it for the first time, like how Heartseeker is named when you talk to Artemis.
placid fiber
Hexagryph is otherwise referred to as the Divine Rail.
I am still kinda afraid that I am going to end up loving it, since I am really loving these ranged weapons in hades 1(the spear is a half ranged cuz of the throw n return...)
grizzled aspen
And then spear is ig referred to by name by Achilles?
It was his weapon in life, after all.
placid fiber
I love doing this, especially vs dangerous enemies
grizzled aspen
I am still kinda afraid that I am going to end up loving it, since I am really l...
I just find it to be poopy stinky because it hits like a wet noodle with the standard aspect.
placid fiber
Fair
grizzled aspen
Like shredder autopistol type damage against a crusher.
And you cant crit.
Or headshot.
Or get ambuscade bonus.
placid fiber
Well if what you said earlier is true I have aphrodite as my starting one and I can get the more attack damage...
grizzled aspen
Also you are blind and deaf and your knees dont bend right or something.
misty nova
I think Fists are Demeter's (?)
grizzled aspen
I think Fists are Demeter's (?)
That would make sense as to why I only remember them being referred to by name once. You have to beat Hades at least once to have Demeter even start appearing, and even then, she is quite rare.
placid fiber
And you cant crit.
I have yet to even attempt to get crits of any reasonable chance of activating
grizzled aspen
I have yet to even attempt to get crits of any reasonable chance of activating
I was talking about like the damage in reference to darktide.
placid fiber
Yep
grizzled aspen
Shredder autopistol, but no headshots, no crits, no ambuscade, you are blind, deaf, and your knees dont bend right.
That's the standard Hexagryph experience.
placid fiber
Also I got good at using the autopistol... so that just backs up my fear of maybe liking that weapon
grizzled aspen
Unless you get obscenely lucky and start with a hammer that rolls the artillery upgrade, then you just have plasma gun.
placid fiber
So I'm guessing that's lower ammo count but much more damage per shot?
grizzled aspen
No, your special on Hexagryph is a grenade launcher.
The artillery upgrade just makes it super cracked.
grizzled aspen
Oh also @placid fiber I lied, rerolls do exist.
You just have to do every single fucking fated choice in the game to unlock it.
placid fiber
misty nova
Get the hammer to the Rail
Never reload but only shoot in bursts, then pray you get Hermes for attack speed
????
Profit
placid fiber
... tfw you can't decide which u want more...
grizzled aspen
Oh I found the names for the other weapons. Fists are indeed Malphon, Shield is Aegis, Bow (referred to as the Heart-Seeking Bow) is actually called Coronacht, Spear is Varatha, and I have been saying the Rail's name wrong, it's not Hexagryph, it's just Exagryph.
formal umbra
Is fotf+mark x relic blade viable into havoc 40? I'm grinding out havocs in the 20s-early 30s and seem to be doing well but idk how much more difficult 40 will be
placid fiber
Huh... spear rocket launcher?
Wow I don't have to call it back, and I took the special damage from aphrodite
placid fiber
Normally I take the triple stab no spin attack, but, this is definitely more fun
tight fog
Zealot chat
placid fiber
Is a chat
grizzled aspen
Holy crap there's a function in one of these mods to make all bounties on previous heats automatically complete...
I could do like heat 10 and clear everything before it...
misty ravine
Is fotf+mark x relic blade viable into havoc 40? I'm grinding out havocs in the ...
Depends on your definition of "viable", it's still good but people will want you to take book
formal umbra
Man idk what to fucken do
Play Hades, apparently
grizzled aspen
It's good fun. 
formal umbra
Depends on your definition of "viable", it's still good but people will want you...
Yeah... 
I've been swapping to book when asked to I just think it's so goddamn boring
misty mason
I am at an overnight work thing with a roommate who snores like a pregnant walrus
placid fiber
Welp my explosive spear with the aphrodite boon absolutely rekt the saws fury
formal umbra
Got almost through my first 40 last night with fotf relic blade but our psyker crashed 80% through the mission then the group imploded. Still sad about it
grizzled aspen
Ok so modding Hades is hilariously easy.
formal umbra
At least I know I can clear now though so that's one mental block done with
grizzled aspen
It's even easier than modding darktide.
formal umbra
Now I just need to grind it out
grizzled aspen
@placid fiber if you decide to mod Hades, it's as simple as installing the mod importer, dropping the executable into your game's content folder, creating a folder (also in the content folder), naming it "Mods" (capitalize the M, it's case sensitive for the importer), then dropping all your mods into the mods folder and running the executable.
Uninstallation is as simple as deleting the mod and rerunning your importer executable.
placid fiber
Good to know, ty
wait... wouldn't this make my explosive spear way more powerful? Since it explodes when it reaches as far it can go...
well... I have to hold for that nvm
I took it anyway, but, yeah this shorter range is gonna help since close up enemies will get hit by it more often... and I can charge it for the full distance
carmine falcon
did telopots quit dorktide
placid fiber
Wow this explosive spear wrecks stuff
The shorter default range is doing amazing stuff lol
prisma magnet
What ranged weapon pairs well with dueling sword? I've been using it with boltgun but they feel like they kinda just do the same niche, and whenever my team dies and I'm kiting around to try and thin out the horde/revive them, the boltgun is very cumbersome so I'm just stuck with the dueling sword only for the most part
placid fiber
Anything, honestly. It has the power to kill pretty much anything. Stuff for something like crusher/bulwark swarms or trappers is good
prisma magnet
Well that's the thing, crushers, bulwarks, bosses, just kill them with dueling sword. So I'm hardly ever swapping to the boltgun, not like when I use a weapon that can't deal with those big things
Swarms are more of a problem tho definitely
fleet zealot
What ranged weapon pairs well with dueling sword? I've been using it with boltgu...
Flamer
placid fiber
Welp I pretty well rekt the elysium bosses, this time. I'm doing actual damage to them, with this explosive spear
prisma magnet
Flamer
Makes sense, I've tried dueling sword with flamer a few times but it felt finicky. But that's probably just skill issue on my part tbh
Flamer just a very slow weapon in general i guess
What blessings and perks should I go for?
fleet zealot
What blessings and perks should I go for?
Blessings overpressure blaze away
prisma magnet
Aight
lean lark
<@693142133204582443> just beat the hardest monster in wilds
That being?
carmine falcon
What ranged weapon pairs well with dueling sword? I've been using it with boltgu...
double barrel shotty
prisma magnet
double barrel shotty
🤔
carmine falcon
it cleaves hordes
frosty herald
That being?
||5 star tempered gore magala||
carmine falcon
and fun to use
prisma magnet
I've never used double barrel before, that sounds kinda dope tho
I have a maxed out flamer, but could be fun to take a double barrel out for a spin
Lvl that up, see which one i like most
carmine falcon
braced autogun is also fun
prisma magnet
What perks and blessings for shotgun?
grizzled aspen
It is a manstopper db. It stops the men.
misty nova
But does it scatter the shot
placid fiber
He better not fucking be vanquished, he's the bestest of 3 headded doggos
Welp, time to go die to hades
misty nova
He better not fucking be vanquished, he's the bestest of 3 headded doggos
"I have to fight the dog? Oh, aight that's better"
lean lark
||5 star tempered gore magala||
Good job
placid fiber
lol I made it past the 1st phase, I am woefully unprepared for this
lean lark
Now do it sub 15
placid fiber
got the 2nd phase to half hp before I got killed... not bad for my 1st time fighting him
misty nova
We love the spear in this household
placid fiber
explosive short ranged spear, my beloved... I also had like +160% damage on the special from aphrodite
placid fiber
Definitely not biased because I made past Hades with it on my 67th try
Well... my hades 2 experience is probably paying off quite a lot. I think I did suicide like 3 or 4 runs so far, tho
misty nova
Oh yeah those spikes got me a lot of times
placid fiber
Oh you mistake what I mean. I was done with the run and wanted the resources I had gotten then and was pretty weak so I just let them kill me. I've only gotten killed by floor spikes once
misty nova
I see I see
placid fiber
I did the same thing in hades 2
Also: I know I wasted like 15 keys to get to these 2, but, these are gonna be immensely helpful
Oh, demeter is in this
grizzled aspen
She's chill
Bad pun detected, I'm going to invert your knees now.
hearty nebula
god
i can't believe ogryn rework is finally happening
maybe now it won't be boring as fuck to play
delicate shadow
that's where you're wrong
because it's not book zealot
the ONLY FUN BUILD IN THE GAME
grizzled aspen
Pray that zealout gets a tree rework.
We desperately need other forms of toughness generation that actually work well and duellist needs to be reigned in a bit.
And we need taxe and dclaw buffs.
misty nova
They are going to put Duelist dead center
Like that one node on Vet's leading to grenades
fleet zealot
We need better branch identity
grizzled aspen
^
fleet zealot
The only one that makes some sense is right side
misty nova
Lemme call the Ogryn rework
Hmmmmm
500 nodes about heavy attacks
grizzled aspen
All the crit stuff should be on the left, all the survival stuff should be in the middle, all the gun stuff should be on the right.
Pretty simple.
The fact that bleed for the emperor and restoring faith aren't by each other is fucking criminal.
fleet zealot
Not even that martyrdom being with chorus and above ranged and support nodes makes no sense
grizzled aspen
Not even that martyrdom being with chorus and above ranged and support nodes mak...
I believe fatsharks intent is to shoot at enemies while you approach them.
But that is not viable and does not work well 95% of the time.
acoustic dune
Darktide discorders and their inability to read
sorry all my brian is all went into drawing
grizzled aspen
It is inherently counterintuitive to how the games mechanics work.
fleet zealot
sorry all my brian is all went into drawing
hearty nebula
wait really>
acoustic dune
mashalla
fleet zealot
acoustic dune
ogryn is going to be to play
acoustic dune
https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-9372426
eyebrows is a bitch righ now
hearty nebula
but it better be good or else there will be hell inshallah
fleet zealot
Like the whole idea of talent tree branches is that they are a substitute for careers
acoustic dune
need to add anime blush after
fleet zealot
Most other classes if you go straight down one branch you’ll at least have a usable thematic build
hearty nebula
also been playing rdr2
i wanted to just help this dude since he was having trouble
fleet zealot
But it’s just not the case for zealot
acoustic dune
also been playing rdr2
i wanted to just help this dude since he was having troub...
well you can help him gy giving him a burial
hearty nebula
well you can help him gy giving him a burial
nah there's plenty of coyotes
fleet zealot
Middle tree especially i think by itself is the worst branch in the game
hearty nebula
he'll be fine, won't go to waste
fleet zealot
So much anti synergy
hearty nebula
if zealot had synergy we'd be unkillable
acoustic dune
Middle tree especially i think by itself is the worst branch in the game
theres a reason why theres like only one ''offilcial'' zealot skill tree
hearty nebula
DOOOOOOOOOOOODGE
delicate shadow
technically there's 2 because you can go with piety or IJ
fleet zealot
theres a reason why theres like only one ''offilcial'' zealot skill tree
Right left pick your keystone
fleet zealot
technically there's 2 because you can go with piety or IJ
1 and a half
hearty nebula
technically there's 2 because you can go with piety or IJ
aquino how are u been
fleet zealot
Im not counting the keystone choice if the rest of the build is identical
acoustic dune
sharquino?
delicate shadow
and you can also choose between book and chastise (shroudfield users are invalid)
fleet zealot
Book is only for havoc if your team needs it
delicate shadow
aquino how are u been
not sick now so that's cool
fleet zealot
It’s so bad on zealot for personal use
acoustic dune
Book is only for havoc if your team needs it
personally i like book
i like to tea bag people
fleet zealot
I wish the last pulse put enemies on their ass
delicate shadow
I've always used book, it's pretty good honestly
hearty nebula
not sick now so that's cool
makes you sick again
spare talon
book is so unenjoyable to use
acoustic dune
book is so unenjoyable to use
i find it enjoyable
fleet zealot
book is so unenjoyable to use
Massive Personal dps loss check
Long channel you can’t guarantee your teammates will take advantage of
acoustic dune
no toughness head
delicate shadow
I mean if you had to ask me what Zealot's most exciting™️ ability is it'd be uhhhh
fuckin none of them
acoustic dune
doge into the enemy
hearty nebula
my favorite nitpick about the book isn't that it's inherently bad but that you can't pop it for revives because if you do your teammates will just stand there with their thumbs up their asses
fleet zealot
my favorite nitpick about the book isn't that it's inherently bad but that you c...
That’s me on microphone with relic
delicate shadow
book for revives in pubs is a no go
acoustic dune
my favorite nitpick about the book isn't that it's inherently bad but that you c...
if i chorus its bc someone is down
and so i tea bag them
hearty nebula
book for revives in pubs is a no go
yeah
acoustic dune
then i rev them
fleet zealot
And sometimes they still don’t do it
hearty nebula
anywho back to rdr2 later nerds
fleet zealot
delicate shadow
but you can do some pretty fun stuff with book, imo, like cliffing bosses/DHs goes hard and also if you're solo you can push through some pretty crazy shit (ik chastise is better in solo situations)
misty nova
and you can also choose between book and chastise (shroudfield users are invalid...
Can't hear you over the sound of "Master, hide my steps"
🗣️
acoustic dune
but you can do some pretty fun stuff with book, imo, like cliffing bosses/DHs go...
tbh the only thing i like book the most
its cosplaying as a cat
fleet zealot
Chat im having brainworms rn
acoustic dune
boss and a cliff is the best combo
untold junco
Can't hear you over the sound of "Master, hide my steps"
Isn't that literally opposite of what stealth should do
acoustic dune
Chat im having brainworms rn
i will yassify the worm
fleet zealot
Am i that player for making my character the child of a character i used in a oneshot in the same setting?
delicate shadow
like book should probably get some tweaks if/when zealot gets reworked but the ability itself is really not bad at all
misty nova
Isn't that literally opposite of what stealth should do
"In the shadows, redemption" 🗣️
acoustic dune
like book should probably get some tweaks if/when zealot gets reworked but the a...
rework on chorus sub skill would be neat
fleet zealot
like book should probably get some tweaks if/when zealot gets reworked but the a...
I think it should
delicate shadow
the upgrade nodes for it are silly and make no sense
fleet zealot
Slow down the pulse rate but make it a buff that shines off your hip
So you can actually do things
acoustic dune
Slow down the pulse rate but make it a buff that shines off your hip
ok hear me out
acoustic dune
sub skill for chorus that still let you attack but less pulse
hearty nebula
acoustic dune
and or longer cooldown
untold junco
like book should probably get some tweaks if/when zealot gets reworked but the a...
Yesterday i joined some timmies trying to do flesh wound penance, and until i swapped to booklot they were tripping over constantly. Booklot with good cdr is basically a healer lmao
acoustic dune
Yesterday i joined some timmies trying to do flesh wound penance, and until i sw...
playing healer class to be your team angle
fleet zealot
That’s adorable
untold junco
playing healer class to be your team angle
Playing stealth class to be your team debil
delicate shadow
yea you can make the team immortal if you feel like it, though VoC is essentially the better version of that since you don't have DPS downtime
acoustic dune
make me think of this comic
signal spoke
misty nova
"Emprah, hide me"
frosty herald
DmC vergil lmao
untold junco
yea you can make the team immortal if you feel like it, though VoC is essentiall...
Well, it depends, voc is a quick get out of jail free card, book is basically healer CC aoe but you need your team to actually do shit
delicate shadow
mhm
fringe bay
I love me shout :3
untold junco
DmC vergil lmao
But is he featuring Dante from Devil May Cry series?
acoustic dune
yea you can make the team immortal if you feel like it, though VoC is essentiall...
tbh VoC on zealot wouldbe neat
and op
untold junco
tbh VoC on zealot wouldbe neat
That would mean that both zealot and vet got 2 identical ults
Want voc on zealot? Double tap F, you scream once for like 5 gold toughness and instantly cancel 
delicate shadow
VoC still needs nerfing
or rather, overtoughness as a concept needs nerfing/changing
signal spoke
No more gold toughness 
untold junco
or rather, overtoughness as a concept needs nerfing/changing
Its not that overtoughness is too strong, its that you dont have any other meaningful survi options
sullen forge
or rather, overtoughness as a concept needs nerfing/changing
Literally just make it cap out your toughness and give you a TDR Buff instead of Gold
untold junco
Dont nerf the only thing everyone plays, buff other things that arent played
sullen forge
That’s a Bandaid change tbh
Tac awareness is probably the biggest issue with VOC
A good vet can use base VOC and make it work just as effectively as Golden it’s that good as a base ability
It’s just golden is so overpowered it genuinely needs to be changed
delicate shadow
I mean overtoughness is definitely too strong, the way it interacts with the toughness system almost feels like it's unintended with how counter-intuitive and OP it is
sullen forge
It’s a bar the enemy has to destroy first before they can even start doing bleed through
Unironically both Chorus and VOC golden are unhealthy
carmine falcon
change book into phermones from drg where the ai starts attacking each other for a brief moment
sullen forge
And both need changes
delicate shadow
other stuff does need buffing but golden toughness is problematic af for balancing
grizzled aspen
The chef mod I wanted to use doesn't work... :(
sullen forge
I’d rather Chorus still fill up Toughness and Not Give Golden for like, A. The QOL of being able to attack whilst using the Relic, B. I think it would be incredibly funny if it set heretics around you on fire for being too close LMAO
carmine falcon
new book ability
apply extreme brittlness to every enemy in sight
spare talon
other stuff does need buffing but golden toughness is problematic af for balanci...
Yeah.....
There's too few sources of it
carmine falcon
its gaming time
delicate shadow
Yeah.....
There's too few sources of it
lean cairn
Gold toughness should be removed
carmine falcon
golden toughness with fotf? 
spare talon
Wtf so mean
untold junco
Wtf so mean
antitoffness party is so ebil
mellow yacht
which tactical axe mark is better
lean cairn
which tactical axe mark is better
7
mighty root
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1326404073204875353/1341962457970769930/go_my_centurion.gif
spare talon
which tactical axe mark is better
Not the 4
mellow yacht
reasons?
mellow yacht
they're both pretty good i cant figure out which one i like more
violet hornet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1326404073204875353/1341962457970769930...
Lol they broke the cropping
lean cairn
they're both pretty good i cant figure out which one i like more
Don't listen to the taxe 2 propagandists
They're just biased against the old version of the taxe7 that had broken attacks
fleet zealot
if they remove golden toughness, voc will be fine it's still an instant knockdown and full toughness refill
spare talon
Dmg profile on all heavies are identical across all mks
Mk4 heavies are overheads only and other mks have diagonals for BM value
fleet zealot
if they remove golden toughness, chorus will be dead in the water
spare talon
Also mk4 lacks the optimal pa heavy loop the 2 and 7 have
lean cairn
if they remove golden toughness, chorus will be dead in the water
They should replace it with a more interesting ability
spare talon
They're just biased against the old version of the taxe7 that had broken attacks
I'll have you know I'm a taxe 7 addict
And you know that
lean cairn
I'll have you know I'm a taxe 7 addict
And you know that
I wasn't talking about you
real sonnet
IMO gold toughness should only be nerfed against melee
sullen forge
No
lean cairn
There are other scary people who like taxe 2 for some reason
sullen forge
Should be flat out removed
carmine falcon
rip voc
sullen forge
There are other scary people who like taxe 2 for some reason
There’s people who like the Taxe 4
untold junco
Should be flat out removed
i also enjoy getting shredded by 200 gunners on havoc
real sonnet
i also enjoy getting shredded by 200 gunners on havoc
To be fair if you're in the open even with gold toughness you're getting shredded
untold junco
"dont die? lmao"
frosty herald
gold toughness should be changed to give an overall damage resistance
spare talon
He means position yourself better
lean cairn
There’s people who like the Taxe 4
🤮
misty ravine
I'm pretty sure half the maps are missing from havoc because they don't have enough cover
sullen forge
You’re given frag grenades for a reason
carmine falcon
the gunner malestrom i did yesterday was such a deprature from how u usually play the game
find angle
hold it with guns
psyker shield on top of the cover
only push melee when most of the horde is fked
was kinda fun
sullen forge
The game mode that punishes you for bad positioning gets you killed? 🤯🤯🤯
spare talon
If taxes has different and better profiles on overhead heavies the mk4 would have a reason for existing
And mk7 would become even more peak
hidden grove
that mk7 loop is broken
spare talon
that mk7 loop is broken
It was fixed ages ago
hidden grove
I mean it's really good
spare talon
Ah
hidden grove
I'd risk getting dogpiled and say it might be better than rashad
fleet zealot
I'd risk getting dogpiled and say it might be better than rashad
no
hidden grove
especially on vet, it's faster
fleet zealot
it's okay to be wrong
hidden grove
only downside is the stam needed for the taxe loop
carmine falcon
how do u build tax on zealot optimally
carmine falcon
perks and blessings i mean
sullen forge
Headtaker Brutal
sullen forge
Basically
carmine falcon
i'll play around with it
cole's clips make it seem pretty fun
spare talon
how do u build tax on zealot optimally
placid fiber
@grizzled aspen So, uh, frog... what was the hammer thing u wanted on the gun? I just got it unlocked... and the 1st room had one and offered me these <.<'
violet hornet
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d542ea0-2eca-412b-979e-a74c9d3ede8b/le...
I love the cover pic you chose for this
carmine falcon
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d542ea0-2eca-412b-979e-a74c9d3ede8b/le...
spare talon
I love the cover pic you chose for this
Look at the other builds on my profile
sullen forge
All of them have that fucking stupid cat
Point and Click Adventure Veteran also has it LMAO
violet hornet
Look at the other builds on my profile
You and cica have some of the best brain rot covers
carmine falcon
i prolly should do stelwart with piety again instead of fury rising and use the point on something else for all my builds
spare talon
If i like a build enough it gets a silly image
spare talon
i prolly should do stelwart with piety again instead of fury rising and use the ...
Good balance for more dr
spare talon
become even more tanky
Where do you think the title comes from lol
carmine falcon
fair enough lol
sullen forge
0 brain function zealot gameplay
spare talon
Just how I like it
violet hornet
Big E likes em dumb
grizzled aspen
<@433418308453138433> So, uh, frog... what was the hammer thing u wanted on the ...
There's one hammer upgrade, iirc, that makes your special a giant nuke. In its place, the 3 shot special would be good.
stone fern
tfw no 37 pages of ogryn nerfs....
placid fiber
sigh I really chunked my heel last night with my chair when I scooted it forwards
I put a bandaid on it and didn't think of it again
As soon as I was gonna get in the shower I knew it was gonna hurt, but, when I tried putting my shoe on loosely it was hurting bad enough I could barely walk
I had to call in because of that and I hadn't called in for a really long time...
grand tangle
Just pray harder, big E will solve it
placid fiber
It's still hurting a bit from me aggrivating it
polar nexus
If taxes has different and better profiles on overhead heavies the mk4 would hav...
next patch, taxe will be buffed I AM SURE
stone fern
tfw no power axe....
polar nexus
power taxe
grand tangle
Tfw no mechanicus class
stone fern
tfw fatshark hasn't removed the ironhel yet
low quality clad bait
grand tangle
Tfw ikea hasn't discontinued the stuffed shark
stone fern
Tfw ikea hasn't discontinued the stuffed shark
@copper hawk is keeping them in demand
frosty herald
The ikea octopus is better
placid fiber
The ikea octopus is better
What about "el bandit de la ferrette"?
copper hawk
<@576701404475949056> is keeping them in demand
I love my blahaj
Blahajes*
And my shitten
placid fiber
There's one hammer upgrade, iirc, that makes your special a giant nuke. In its p...
Btw I immediately saw why you hated the gun in hades. It feels like it needs something like zeus on the attack for it to be even worth a shit...
grand tangle
Yeah the gun is aggressively mid
copper hawk
i prolly should do stelwart with piety again instead of fury rising and use the ...
I used pietywart b4 it was cool ,,
grand tangle
It has some good builds but it's not versatile at all
fleet zealot
time to finish leveling saltz and bardin
placid fiber
Yeah the gun is aggressively mid
yeah... that being said I already prefer it to the weapon despise(and refuse to use) in hades 2
placid fiber
I absolutely loved hades 2, and I am really liking hades 1 already
2 is... to some people worse, but, I would say it is different
similar with differences that stand out as positive to me(for the most part)
copper hawk
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d34db3c-4ba5-4ce4-9df1-956e154251eb/thing-that-works-for-some-gloopin-reason @carmine falcon
pale spindle
@mighty root
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
heady rapids
<@651235527491584004>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
is this a 8 or a 12 pin
placid fiber
Is 2 better or worse
Funnily enough I just got hades 1 yesterday morning/the night before <.<
pale spindle
is this a 8 or a 12 pin
9070xt is 16 pin
heady rapids
9070xt is 16 pin
theres both
placid fiber
Already have 11.7 hours in it >.>'
copper hawk
NERD !!!!
pale spindle
This one is 2 8 pins
heady rapids
cool cool
polar nexus
Dmg profile on all heavies are identical across all mks
Mk4 heavies are overhead...
what do you think diagonals have more bm value?
acoustic dune
i was not privy to this
polar nexus
<@651235527491584004>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
canadian dollars?
because msrp is waay lower in usd
placid fiber
I wonder if this is code for: we're nerfing the gunlugger's burn on shot, yet again.
acoustic dune
I wonder if this is code for: we're nerfing the gunlugger's burn on shot, yet ag...
sadge
why cant they bugg everything else
sullen forge
I love red 40
placid fiber
I love red 40
stone fern
I wonder if this is code for: we're nerfing the gunlugger's burn on shot, yet ag...
GOOD
nerf gunlugger NOW
carmine falcon
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d34db3c-4ba5-4ce4-9df1-956e154251eb/th...
gleep gloop or something brother
placid fiber
nerf gunlugger NOW
dw, they're changing the attack speed bonus from the charge to 30%, adding a modifier where you do +20% damage during the duration, and increasing taunt's radius by 73%
the 73% is to mess with ocd people
carmine falcon
ooo u have deadly accurate on bpistol
placid fiber
and surgical
fleet zealot
To Op's point it's why I stopped playing the game, way to many reworks over and over. Maybe they are needed, but it's what turned me off from this game.
damn how dare fatshark rework and improve systems
proof you can't please everyone
placid fiber
... I almost never use my cast in hades 1... this is practically free <.<
polar nexus
we should have stayed in the golden era of beta days
carmine falcon
i have a friend like this
if he's used to something in a game and they change it for better or worse he's dropping the game no matter what
he likes his comfort zone
fleet zealot
we should have stayed in the golden era of beta days
i've unironically seen this take lol
polar nexus
Oh no i have to adapt!!!
fleet zealot
it's peak
polar nexus
i've unironically seen this take lol
My god
fleet zealot
like people saying fatshark shouldn't have done talent trees and kept the vt2 career/subclass system
so they could keep their "promise" of 1 subclass per quarter
over 2 years
carmine falcon
i didnt play vt but i see a lot of people saying that talent trees is just careers with extra steps cause of "meta pathing" issues
how true is that
fleet zealot
not really
besides zealot, there is clear flexibility
and many of the best builds splash into 2 or even all 3 branches
carmine falcon
with ogryn getting a rework zealot is the only class with a basic bitch tree
polar nexus
old system had almost no flexibility but was easier to maintain
and less power creep maybe
fleet zealot
issue with zealot is unlike ogryn which has numerous mid/shit weapons
polar nexus
but i vastly prefer the trees tbh
fleet zealot
zealot is relatively stable and good
carmine falcon
i like power creep 
power fantasy RAAAHHHHH
fleet zealot
we basically have no bad melee option
carmine falcon
yeah tbh feels like every single weapon i use works
polar nexus
yeah, but i do respect every claw user i see
carmine falcon
tho im obssesed with the heavy weapons
it legit feels weird to me to use faster ones cause i play heavy ones like 90% of the time
i played knife yesterday after a while and the speed threw me off
polar nexus
i ledged myself a lot with the knife
fleet zealot
like imagine you could be slayer but take drunken brawler from ranger vet and gromril from ironbreaker
it's peak
and it's sad that won't ever happen to vt2
carmine falcon
bomb moveset tho
copper hawk
Suffers from the same issues as well
Moveset is kinda cool if it didnt also have weird rules
Like h1 being faster out of combo rather than in, as an opener
Dmg cap, shit cleave distro, terrible adms (you do more damage to the flak body of a bruiser than the unarmored head), bad base cleave for a horde mulching cleave weapon, inverted profiles, etc
fleet zealot
i think evi3 is at least better than the clubs
copper hawk
It's an Ogryn wpn
Nah they're the same, they suffer from the same issues
Generally, being relics of an earlier, easier darktide
polar nexus
evis3 is og evis?
copper hawk
With less enemies, less armored spawns, etc
carmine falcon
yep
copper hawk
evis3 is og evis?
Yah
sullen forge
3 target cap worse than 4 target cap
You will enjoy your club cap
carmine falcon
i ran it purely for moveset but havent played it since i got used to relic mk2
copper hawk
Plus the cleave distro meaning you do no damage to the 4th enemy
sullen forge
And you will like it