zealot-class

[remote lark]

memes aside the like 9% or something crit is like, useless itw on't make or break any situations you'll get your self or your team into.
I'd much rather take something impotant for myself that can potentially bail us out of a bad spot.

[fleet zealot]

yea and while BPs are important, other weapons like the vraksIAG or AgriBrauto rely on ttk

[remote lark]

[copper hawk]

Noob

[fleet zealot]

which in that case, it is really good

[hybrid jewel]

For me, there's nothing really barring anoint in blood, but limited ammo means heh.

[remote lark]

totally possible to take annoint with my usual build
theres just no value to it outside of machine guns (kinda..) or flamer, so unless i'm running one of those there's a couple spots i'd rather put it. Even retribution to make myself immune to silent dogs is more valuable to me.

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, well I think you smelly funny.

[spare dome]

honestly retribution is quite nice. just hard to justify.

[remote lark]

the point economy is in shambles

i only take retribution when i'm playing with noobs cause i know damn well they wont knock dogs off me

[spare dome]

with enemies swinging as fast as they do in havocs immediately stopping one dude and his close friends on first hit will genuinely save you hp and death procs

[hybrid jewel]

That's the thing, I run book into piety. Also corruption clense.

[remote lark]

what melee

[hybrid jewel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e23cfb2-48b1-4603-841a-7dfd8cb84798/kittehs-h40-aurabot

This is literally what I run, lmao.

[remote lark]

.... no sustained....

[hybrid jewel]

I can technically take my knoife as well, but playing with 300 ping and questionable packet loss on avg means I kinda rely on agile.

[remote lark]

lmfao
drop that piety node we talked about and you can gain 25% damage

[carmine falcon]

300 ping on a game with tight hitboxes is crazy

[hybrid jewel]

You mean 5%.

[hidden grove]

ah oh, general is shit talking you guys you should link them that video 😉

[grizzled aspen]

Who cares what genchat thinks?

[hybrid jewel]

DROP TEAM BUFF?

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, gimping your own damage so your teammates have 5% more crit chance is bad.

[remote lark]

how useful do you really think 10% crit for your team is

they'll only get value out of it if they themselves are using a crit build, otherwise theres practically no non-crit IJ weapon that needs crits to hit breakpoints even in h40

25% damage for yourself if you aren't playing like an idiot will offer more overall than 10% crit for your team both macro-wise and pure dps-wise

[hybrid jewel]

This is H40, I literally have managed to use 4 books in a row before because the psyker went completely wild.

[remote lark]

and they would have done that without your shitty crit buff

[grizzled aspen]

Ok, that has nothing to do with your crit boosting. That has everything to do with psyker just having raw damage and abusing psykinetics aura.

[remote lark]

^^

[hybrid jewel]

Oh no, I mean the book damage buff.

[grizzled aspen]

Oh yeah that buff isn't useful either.

Waste of a point. Drop it for something more useful.

[remote lark]

1. You're stunning everything for almost ten seconds depending on modifiers. You don't need more damage, cause nothing is moving. TTK won't really matter.
2. The damage buff still doesn't surpass your 100% uptime 25% damage self-buff.
   20% damage applied to 3 teammates for 10 seconds every 30 seconds, if used OFF COOLDOWN assuming max invoc uptime, doesn't even break even with 25% to yourself, which is also more useful due to it being able to be used when it really matters. (See reason #1)

And in a real game, you're not only not using it off cooldown, you won't have max invoc uptime.

[spare dome]

sometimes you dont even wanna get all the pulses out too, which is stinky

[remote lark]

So in both the situational sense as well as the pure dps sense, it falls behind sustained assault.

[hybrid jewel]

On a Dueling sword.

[remote lark]

Yeah. On any weapon.

Flat damage is extremely strong in this game due to how it calculates damage. It's a flat increase, which is relatively rare.

[grizzled aspen]

25% more damage can be the difference between stabbing that crusher 1 less time.

[spare dome]

its free headtaker on all your melee

[remote lark]

A big thing people don't always get about this game is that sometimes the best way to provide "team support" is just killing things faster so they don't pancake your team.

The job of a dueling sword/book/flamer user in h40 is:
Kill crushers/bulwarks/ragers very quickly so they don't blender your team while they're killing specialists and other stuff.
Provide heavy horde clear during mass chaff hordes that will try to swarm and hitbox you.
Use book to allow repositioning or a "second chance" in bad situations. That's why your psyker 'went crazy', it was cause you kept him alive, not cause you buffed him.

[spare dome]

and denigrate the freak

[remote lark]

In fact, I suggest dropping throwing knives entirely in havoc with a ds/flamer build.
Focus on your two strengths, which is elite clear and heavy horde clear.

But you can only do that if you don't run beacon... which you should onl ybe running on blight missions anyway.

[hybrid jewel]

I literally only went it for the talents above it.

[remote lark]

.... the talents above it are terrible.

I know you're talking about Shield of Contempt, and i also know you don't know how that talent works.
I made the same mistake for a long time.

[hybrid jewel]

I mean Tknife.

[spare dome]

we all did

[remote lark]

You can get them without taking tk for only 1 extra point cost. I'll show you:

[hybrid jewel]

And that still keeps me from taking sustained assault btw.

[remote lark]

Doing this on missions that don't have Blight let you do something very important to the DS/Flamer/Book combo.

Without flame nades, a thick horde that has crushers/bulwarks in it would most likely force you to use book and pray that your teammate kills the elites so you can pull out your flamer.
With flame nades, you can drop a nade to kill the horde while you focus on the bulwark/crushers, saving your book charge for when you actually need it.

Also, flame nades work with Uncanny which makes them ridiculously strong on a ds. You should be taking Thrust/Uncanny Carapace/Unyielding, not agile.

[hybrid jewel]

That's even dumping the 2 points from those buffs.

[sinful oar]

alll i see in plebbit is flamer hate

[remote lark]

reddit is full of morons

[sinful oar]

and i barely play with flamer users

[carmine falcon]

flamer users are all over damnation and aurics

[hybrid jewel]

That depends on if you need corruption removal or not.

[remote lark]

that's cause reddit users can't do havoc and flamer onl yreally shines in havoc cause you can mulch everything with a melee in easier difficulties.

[hybrid jewel]

If you do, considering my luck with H40s...

[remote lark]

Yeah, I mentioned that.

You can only take flame nade if it's not a blight mission sadly.
I would do everything in my power to get a zealot to beacon slave for you. Taking flame nades saves your book charges alot in mixed horde situations.

[sinful oar]

true i love my flamer and eviscerator combo. love how everyone stands back when. the elevator opens and i nuke the entrance

[hybrid jewel]

That's the reason that build is just auras. I am the book/beacon twofer.

[remote lark]

not like you have much of a choice in blight missions. :P

Here's my personal h40 build.
If it's blight I take beacon and drop nades.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a2993-c50e-4c56-9ec4-ae29dcfcad82/havoc-40-example-build

[sinful oar]

they really need to add skill based match making

[remote lark]

wait i need to upload a thumbnail..

[sinful oar]

3 matches fail bc people cant stay in a fucking group

[hybrid jewel]

Look, I have seen true survivors potato in most embarassing ways in Heresy.

[sinful oar]

2 are successful

sorry but as a maxxed out character player i dont want to be in the noob lobbies. ESPECIALLY IN AURIC

[remote lark]

perfect

[hybrid jewel]

Why do you think most endgamers just run H40? Auric is a mess, you get people ignoring crates and kits.

[remote lark]

god damn that was fast

oh the bot sniped them
@true kindle

[spare dome]

aw but i wanted free money

[carmine falcon]

my aurics yesterday were great
if u want bad teamates go play heresey high int

[sinful oar]

havoc gets a bit too ugly. and my pasyker isnt there yet

[frozen kernel]

The subreddit for this game (and often others) is a cesspool of pure idiocy and delusion

[sinful oar]

yeah hence why i joined this wonderful discord

[remote lark]

unironically
just carry harder :B

[frozen kernel]

People who would look at the math and be like “Nah I know better”

[hybrid jewel]

And if auric damn is this bad, I might as well just go slack in normal heresy.

[sinful oar]

IM A PSYKER I CANT

[frozen kernel]

It’s almost an impressive level of ego

[remote lark]

yeah you can

[sinful oar]

skill issue then

[remote lark]

psyker has the best kill potential in the game
just kill the whole room before your teammates have a chance to die

[frozen kernel]

Your beloved will grant you strength in time

[ornate bone]

Psyker and sweat rhyme

[hybrid jewel]

Points at @frozen ibex and @celest jolt. They can, so... No excuses.

[remote lark]

i still have agentchaos blocked

[frozen kernel]

My friends complaining that “vet and Psyker have been left by the wayside” and I have no idea how else to tell them they’re foolish

[sinful oar]

i carry with zealot just not psyker, too mushy

[frozen kernel]

I’m like “You wanna talk about abandonment? Look at the Ogryn and tell me this is fair”

[hybrid jewel]

I have no idea why, but I'm not going to get into it. People can have their own squabbles.

[remote lark]

agentchaos is a decent psyker but the takes they have for zealot are insane

'loner with toughness regen is op'

thats it buddy... stay out of my havocs..... !!!!!

[spare dome]

psyker is pretty easy to carry with, its the clutch that gets rough

[remote lark]

yeah the lack of tdr is sooo punishing

[hybrid jewel]

I think that's more troll remarks than anything. Also, I can't read that thing.

[spare dome]

toughness in general in havoc

[remote lark]

zealot breathes and gets like 60-70% effective damage reduction

Psyker gets like... 30-45% ish and both are directly tied to peril

[sinful oar]

thats what im saying. damage is np but when ive goat a mob of crushers and ragers theres no way i can manage peril. toughness, stamina, and ammo at the same time

[spare dome]

well, 15-20% is easy to reach from travel nodes alone, the rest is one with the warp yeah

[remote lark]

trauma staff the crushers and assail the ragers

boom

[sinful oar]

BUT MUH PERILLL

[spare dome]

which is pretty good actually but not bonkers like everyone elses options lol

[remote lark]

use scriers so you have a 'i dont care about peril' button

[frozen kernel]

The benefit is that once you get more comfortable, these things are no longer scary. Just kind of annoying when you gotta lock in lol

[sinful oar]

wait elaborate

[remote lark]

scriers has a secondary node called 'warp unbound' where for 10s after scriers ends you won't pop no matter waht you do

[sinful oar]

im kinda new to psyker, maxxed it out, doing fine on auric

[remote lark]

incredibly op, and if you play right you'll basically have 90% uptime on scriers which means you never have to rlly worry about peril

[frozen kernel]

Scrier’s Gaze is Psyker’s best ability imo Basically turns on the violence

[spare dome]

you can still pop because its rather buggy and kind of shit. i opted to stop using it for staffs

[sinful oar]

oh. pshh 10 seconds . best u can do is a brain pop and some strike staff strikes

[frozen kernel]

No no silly, no brain burst

[remote lark]

10s while scriers is on cd and scriers will be almost up when it's done which means you practically never have to worry about peril

[sinful oar]

😦

CD?

[spare dome]

10 seconds of sitting at 100% peril without having to quell is actually a lot, and its 10s at the end of scriers which is when your damage is capped

[remote lark]

my whole gameplay loop is:
scriers -> use fgs until my peril is maxed -> spam assail during the 10s unbound timer and finish it with the room clearing warp slash on fgs -> wait 2-3s for scriers safely since the whole room hs been murdered and repeat

[frozen kernel]

^^ ye like Lumi said While you have unlimited peril you can just keep throwing assail darts at 100% peril, blocking infinitely with KD, etc

[grizzled aspen]

10s is nothing to sneeze at.

[remote lark]

10s is enough to throw all your peril darts and warp slash twice lol

[sinful oar]

i guessssssss. ill try it out later

[frozen kernel]

Believe™

[remote lark]

and also you'll be at 100% peril during its duration which means max uptime on your peril related buffs, which is like, huge

[spare dome]

KD doesn't work above 97%

[sinful oar]

thc for the help tho i didnt know about any of this

[frozen kernel]

I’ll be real, I often don’t end up blocking much with KD unless there’s a DH or Cspawn so I don’t pay attention

[remote lark]

kd is there for safe revives on builds that dont have shield

[frozen kernel]

I just know it’s there in the back of my mind, and yeah ^ in regular auric pubs I run a single revive speed on my curio for picking up the noobs lol

Since we don’t get the Ogryn/Zealot shield I just want to get them up and get back to killing

[ornate bone]

Bro hasn't done funny assail with doubled cleave

[dire bough]

is there a particular order I need to take these blessings in or just level them up whenever? (Also the blessings aren't applying to my weapons immediately for some reason)

[remote lark]

"doubled"
does he know?

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-cat-rage-bald-head-cat-cat-silly-cat-weird-cat-gif-10142756518127810604

[remote lark]

you can get assail darts to pierce 10 enemies at once with the right build and simple setup

[remote lark]

that is an unlock tree, and you can use hadron to apply up to 2 of those at a time to your weapon

[modern lintel]

had it just not work earlier

[frozen kernel]

Honestly nothing is funnier than the rapid vine boom in your ear as you throw assails at max peril, then the kills lower your peril by 3%, and the next dart puts you at 100% again

[dire bough]

oooh
gotcha, thanks!

[true kindle]

no particular order, just need x amount of tier 1 to unlock tier 2 etc. blessings are applied at the shrine of the omnissiah on the mourningstar.

[sinful oar]

he doesnt

infodump on me you autists, i need it

[ornate bone]

Is it one of those things where you make assail benefit from weapon blessings or something?

[dire bough]

Another question, what's the best way to get weapons? Unlock at Sir Melk or just take the highest rarity weapon from armory exchange?

[remote lark]

nope, middle keystone

[grizzled aspen]

You generated peril right as you hit 100%, this is a normal interaction.

[ornate bone]

Oh, the boring one

[modern lintel]

buy 20ish weapons upgrade to green sacrifice

[true kindle]

just play with whatever the emperor gives you while levelling, try out some stuff, see what you vibe with

[remote lark]

AHHAHAHAHAHAHA i have something for you

[tawdry leaf]

:c

[true kindle]

weapons at lvl 30 are often crafted from scratch by buying greys from brunts armory until you get one with a nice stat spread and then fully empowering it (requires high mastery for that weapon)

[ornate bone]

Propaganda

[frozen kernel]

Buy a bunch of greys from Brunt's Armory, level them up to green, then mass sacrifice

True 1%er's mastery experience

[remote lark]

The boring keystone in question:

[dire bough]

okay, thank you

[sinful oar]

amen

[remote lark]

@ornate bone @sinful oar

[dire bough]

oh nvm I don't have enough to buy a bunch of weapons rn rip

[weak garden]

Hey can somebody help me beat the flesh wound penance

[tawdry leaf]

Lunii where did you go last night I was up like 3 hours waiting for if we were gonna play or not😭

[ornate bone]

not using melee with the melee class

[remote lark]

i dozed off in my chair sorry

[sinful oar]

holy shit

[frozen kernel]

mood

[sinful oar]

omw to get it

[remote lark]

also noone uses EP assail right, you can weave it inbetween your melee attacks for like a 10 cleave dart at no additional cost

[sinful oar]

get monies from mr milk, get what you wantfrom his selection

[ornate bone]

Psyker was designed BY THE MOST HOLIEST OF POWERS to be a rogue that parries crusher overheads

[weak garden]

Has anybody done flesh wound penance for zealot I'm trying to get it done

[sinful oar]

damn ive only used psyker as crown control and damage support

[dire bough]

Alright
At what level do I start doing the sacrifice thing? I'm level 17 right now, first character

[ornate bone]

why is bro controlling crowns

[sinful oar]

not now, just focus on making bread, getting plastel and diamantine, and finsishing challenges with sire melk

[remote lark]

@sinful oar @ornate bone this is how you properly use it when you aren't spamming it at max peril

[sinful oar]

once challenges are done, get a good gold weapon setup

[tawdry leaf]

Oh, its alright. You wanna play tonight then with that other new guy?

[ornate bone]

I do that, just with DD

[remote lark]

EP DRASTICALLY increases your horde clear. Just throw one whenever you have a charge.

[sinful oar]

what oerks on sword

[remote lark]

EP with assail weaving has better horde clear than DD, lol

[slate haven]

Are dodge perks still worth it on relic blade? I’m thinking of ditching em, minus duelist, for PTU

[sinful oar]

*perks

[ornate bone]

I don't really care about numbers until I see it being awful, which it's quite far from

[remote lark]

dd is great ep just lets me throw like 30 darts and massacere hordes of ragers

[ornate bone]

Does EP assail do something to crushers and monstrosities?

[remote lark]

no but your sword oneshots crushers so who cares lol

[sinful oar]

i run lvl4 finesse dmage on successful dodge and wrath (cleave when you strike stacks 5 times or something)

[ornate bone]

Sooo I'm just staying on DD

[misty nova]

Assail shards are destroyed if they hit carapace

[remote lark]

DD is more boring. Just hitting blue things for a buff.
Paying attention to my EP stacks and weaving them throughout my rotation or saving them up for a horde i know is coming is more fun for me.

[sinful oar]

whats DD

[frozen kernel]

Holy fuck I forgot I had a hilarious clip

[remote lark]

Disrupt Destiny (right keystone)

[ornate bone]

I don't like paying attention to tiny squares on my screen to see if I'll actually get the damage I want

[remote lark]

try shred and unstable power or shred and precognition

[frozen kernel]

It's the little things

[thick tundra]

Can someone help me on what i am doing wrong with knife? people are saying it's the best weapon on zealot and it can kill everything easily while i can't even kill a sniper in front of me

[tawdry leaf]

Humor is dead

[frozen kernel]

Stop listening to Reddit and your gameplay experience will improve tremendously

[ornate bone]

Headshots and sprint heavies

[frozen kernel]

What mark you rocking atm?

[remote lark]

that penance is CANCER
your best bet is to do it on the train mission

when i help people with it it takes me an hour or two... sorry, not in the mood right now

[tawdry leaf]

You should help him lumii

[frozen kernel]

I still think loner even with caxe feels worse than flesh wouund, but yeah Rolling Steel is def your best bet

[remote lark]

post screenshots of your build before you listen to anyones advice xd

[sinful oar]

mark 4 knife

[tawdry leaf]

Does the knife even have a mark4?

[sinful oar]

100%rending on backshot(lul) and bleed

[modern lintel]

i had to do flesh wound on orthus offensive as train didn't exist then

[thick tundra]

Not on reddit only, even on steam forums and sometimes even here i've seen that combat knife is the best weapon on zealot. I've tried everything and i can't seem to get it done

[remote lark]

no

[fleet zealot]

how

[sinful oar]

the one thats not the mark 3

[frozen kernel]

Oh...oh you poor thing. C'mere, have some hot choccy

[fleet zealot]

rending on backstab is garbage

[thick tundra]

Also i don't know how to take a screenshot from all the skilltree

[remote lark]

i'd say that with the release of dueling sword it's now the second best.

Please post your build so we can help you.

[misty nova]

Avoid bleed blessings and always aim for weakspots

[sinful oar]

nahhhhhhhhhhh. im a zooming ogie killer with it

[fleet zealot]

special light and PAs for single target, use heavies for mobility and opener

[sinful oar]

that with my zarona that has surgical and roulette

[remote lark]

Generally the knife is... a pretty good weapon, it lets bad player sperform kind of middling with it and the dodges stop them from dying.
But it's a genuinely hard weapon to actually carry on until you're good at the game.

[fleet zealot]

no you kill everything with it

[remote lark]

surgical and hand cannon let you do funny oneshots

[hard nexus]

precog riposte carapace unyielding, run with either blazing piety or IJ

[fleet zealot]

stop doubling up past 100% crit chance it does nothing

[sinful oar]

its my sweaty neckbeard build

[remote lark]

it's only sweaty because your build is wrong

[weak garden]

Yea I need a team I want that outfit

[frosty herald]

poop knife

[sinful oar]

sweaty ina tryhard skilll requiring way

[remote lark]

dont you need flak for elite bps

[sinful oar]

i love my knife zarona build and i eexcel with it

[carmine falcon]

i got uncanny strike on knoife

[thick tundra]

ok i ll try to describe the build
Combat knife Mk III
Damage : 80%
Finesse : 70%
FT : 80%
Mobility : 70%
Penetration : 80%

25% vs Maniacs
25% vs Unyielding enemies
17% toughness + 16% toughness + 1 wound on Curio blessing
Right now using Blazing Piety with Fury of Faithfull and Blades of faith
using purge of unclean + scourge + benediction

[remote lark]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e259400-bb76-4346-9567-7c202b676afa/meta-knife-build
this is how you build knife.

[thick tundra]

secondary i am using botlgun now

[remote lark]

You can also take boltgun with puncture/shatter as your blessings instead of flamer in here.

[fleet zealot]

why are you dumping finesse at all, why take a wound curio at all

[fleet zealot]

working harder for less rewards basically

[limber trellis]

whoever said "its the best weapon on zealot" has never touched most of the other weapons. The knife is fine. It requires one of a couple specific builds to work, and isn't straightforward for damage unless you really build for it

[thick tundra]

Well it is the knife i got, i am kind of lazy to trying to reroll for 8/8/8/8/6

[sinful oar]

thats not what i mean then. sweaty in a sense that it requires the sweaty skill of op darktide players

[thick tundra]

will the difference be that big for finesse from 70 to 80?

[sinful oar]

faster slashy slashy

is there anywhere to vote on updates or reccomendations

[thick tundra]

I've always found relic sword, dueling sword and chainsword much better, and i am trying to understand why

[fleet zealot]

yes, it is both your attack speed and weakspot/crit modifiers

[thick tundra]

lol just got that lmao

[sinful oar]

thats the high damage single taget one. holy shit the mobility........

[remote lark]

Knife is better than everything zealot has other than dueling sword and MAYBE relic atp, but I'd still favor knife.

[sinful oar]

relic is for crowd control. dueling is for crit more or less, chainsword is good balance btw crowd control, and single target damage/crit

[fleet zealot]

chsword is only horde clear

[remote lark]

The mobility it provides when paired with the hidden stats that IJ gives you is absolutely insane. You'll never die, you never have a reason to get hit by anything.

[limber trellis]

if you're that good, yeah. I don't think he's to that level 😂

[carmine falcon]

relic wrecks single baddies and bosses too

[remote lark]

i mean in general not in his case ;p

[limber trellis]

it does NOT make you invincible hahaha

[remote lark]

like i told him earlier.. knife just keeps mid players alive, and it only shines in the hands of someone who's good.

I never reccomend it to new players, they'll grief.

[thick tundra]

Yes, all these which i find much more beneficial in maelstrom runs
I just can't find a situation where i was like "if i had Combat Knife, this would be much easier"

[sinful oar]

for me knife is only for big boi killing. chainsword is for all round, eviscerator for crown control and damage support

[crimson python]

What are the hidden stats of IJ?

[fleet zealot]

it is not well balanced, it mulches anything unarmored and infested but sucks otherwise

evisc is in a bad spot but it fits more under the jack of all trades

[remote lark]

The reason knife is so strong is because of its dodges and single target damage.
You'll never get hit, you'll never get stuck in a situation where you can't get away, and for heavy crowd control you just take flamer.
There's alot of move techs with knife that let you move really really quickly.

[sinful oar]

its great for me, ive clutched with highspeed infantry rifle and chainsword

[limber trellis]

evisc is just worse relic blade now 😭

[remote lark]

evisc could be deleted and the only person who would notice is @hard nexus

[fleet zealot]

tho the target cap hurts horde clear

[limber trellis]

I used to main that shii but it's just pointless now

[carmine falcon]

yeah i havent played evis ever since i picked up relic
it just feels like a worse relic now
i should play it again today cause i still love mk3 moveset

[fleet zealot]

your carapace clear is going to suck

[sinful oar]

true, but i stay faithful to the aesthetic and special attack. i love my evisc

[fleet zealot]

unavoidably, even fotf struggles to push chsword into a carapace killer

[sinful oar]

the chainsword takes care of it, ive got lots of crit and bleed on i t

[remote lark]

bleed 😭

[carmine falcon]

evis special just doesn't fit with the stupid way the difficulty increases
getting stuck in an animation while the game throws 1 million mfs at you is not good

[frozen kernel]

Evi has been fucking overshadowed and kicked out of the house since Relic arrived

[sinful oar]

ive never gone down on special. similar to the glory kill in soace marine. in fact i use it to see what ive got around me in a stocy situation

[remote lark]

i don't think you understand how bad bleed is

the purpose of bleed is to push weapons that like 99% enemies hp bars over that last 1% to kill them.

i cannot think of any melee weapon that takes a bleed blessing and does better than other combinations.

[fleet zealot]

bleed does nothing to carapace without rending

[carmine falcon]

next darktide diff mode will just nuke your pc cause that's the only way obese whale can increase diff

[frozen kernel]

30FPS lock

[fleet zealot]

fleshtearer+ uncanny and using knife properly bleed will only be 10% of your total damage

[sinful oar]

works for bolt pistol

[remote lark]

I said melee weapon.

[carmine falcon]

oh no need to lock even they'll just 10x the enemy count

[sinful oar]

true nvm

[fleet zealot]

only for bistol and bolter because they have BPs to hit with bleed

[remote lark]

Bolt pistol and bolter fall into the "i need bleed to do that last 1-2% of hp category"

[frozen kernel]

Yeah because bistol is one of those weapons that deal 99% of a specialist's HP, and bleed ticks it over. He beat me to "it aint melee" tho lmao

[remote lark]

The one and only weapon that benefits from bleed is:
Mk6 combat knife with flak/unyielding and penetration dump, with uncanny/lacerate.
But that's a hard combo to run and noone here is gonna use it effectively lol

[sinful oar]

look, at the end of the day, for me, bleed helps mush up ragers and carapace while i work on other guuys.

[frozen kernel]

They'll call the modifier "Imperial Cinema" as we're locked to a creamy 24FPS

[remote lark]

i need a knife with pen dump still...

[frozen kernel]

Just take your pants off

[carmine falcon]

imperial cinema good one lmfao

[thick tundra]

I will try the build and let you know

[remote lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1048761167025283133/1223310889026060389/aL73xFu_kopia.gif

[sinful oar]

i special a mauler, special takes 3/4ths of his health, bleed takes half of the 1/4th thats left, quick smack killss hhim

[fleet zealot]

it really doesn't, you can shred those without bleed easily

[fleet zealot]

LOL so innefficient to wait for bleed

[sinful oar]

which is why o said"while i work on other guys"

[remote lark]

feel free man
just keep in mind that knife is a hard weapon to master and you will 100% perform better on other weapons until you get better at the game.

Back when I ahd 100-200 hours, I swapped off of knife and started carrying my games.

[frozen kernel]

Frog taking pieces of my flesh for killing his soulblaze target across the room

[remote lark]

or you can just special and then smack him and he dies anyway

[fleet zealot]

you'll find 0 bleed support here especially for chsword

[sinful oar]

smack doesnt do enough

[remote lark]

thats cause you have a bleed blessing instead of a damage blessing. XD

[crimson python]

.in my experience bleed doesn’t have the time to do ANYTHING. Not just because its not efficient, but because your teammates will normally kill it before bleed has a single tick to “work”

[sinful oar]

true, ive got crit amd bleed

[sterile basalt]

Bloodletter is not rly worth on zealot

[remote lark]

what weapon is this again? chainsword or eviscerator

your talents and perks are probably wrong too.

[sinful oar]

yall hate bleed huh..... chainsword, the smaller one.

[remote lark]

its just bad on zealot. why bleed something to death when you can just oneshot it..

[sterile basalt]

On veteran & psyker it’s ok in making a one-dimensional weapon more flexible

[sinful oar]

i guessssss

[full nebula]

Bleed is only for enabling crits, bleed on the bolter specifically is good for bosses specifically

[fleet zealot]

you can run whatever you want but here we aren't going to coddle you with saying it's meta or high skill when it isn't

[carmine falcon]

just run meow's evis build
it's as good as it gets for that weapon

[thick tundra]

I've been using it for almost a month

[remote lark]

Veteran actually has a cool tech where you take the talent node that gives all their melee attacks bleed and then you take mercy killer that procs on bleed dmg, freeing up your blessing slot for something better

[sinful oar]

ill swtch it out later the, see whats up

[fleet zealot]

Bleed is ONLY okay on knife because it has uncanny strike, otherwise it deals too little damage on things that matter

[sterile basalt]

It’s not worth going for 95%+ the time

[remote lark]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e27d762-2f61-4202-add4-f49c0daceb6a/meta-chainsword-blender

[frozen kernel]

The fucking blender logo lmao

[remote lark]

i take it for a quick single target kill on my db weapon spec build

Does mercy killer proc on a enemy with no bleed if i have that talent..? Or do I have to hit them first

[sterile basalt]

Mercy killer is just not strong enough to justify taking serrated blade

[sinful oar]

cleave tho?💸

[full nebula]

Bleed isn't good for actually bleeding things, theres not many status effects in the game and most are pretty bad at it

[sinful oar]

i wat dmage and crit

[remote lark]

wrath lets your chainsword mulch the entire horde in front of you, it's insane
give it a shot, you'll see a big difference

[fleet zealot]

mg13 needs cleave to cut through bruisers

[remote lark]

your damage will come from your talents, yours are probably wrong

[sinful oar]

ok, ill start testing new stuff out

[fleet zealot]

then go mk4 chsword, rampage + shred

[sterile basalt]

Do u want 4.5 cleave light attacks or 15 cleave light attacks

[remote lark]

Exploooooode.

[sinful oar]

there we go that makes more sense

[remote lark]

no it doesn't, mk4 chsword is worse and has worse clear.

please don't listen to ferret man he plays in malice.
his sole purpose in this channel is to give us ferret content.

[sinful oar]

i just dont want cleave on my chswrd

[hard nexus]

no idea

[sterile basalt]

U might as well not play a chainsword then

[remote lark]

then put rampage on and watch as you deal less damage than you would with a cleave blessing.

darktide has funny calculations for damage and cleave distribution.

[fleet zealot]

i know what it is, i'm adjusting for their playstyle

[sinful oar]

i dont use my vhainw=srod for cleave. thats what my gun is for, high ammo, high fire rate

[remote lark]

[fleet zealot]

that's not viable in higher difficulties at all, you become an ammo hog and very innefficient

[remote lark]

this guy just needs to play veteran lol

[fleet zealot]

since zealot has little to no support for rnaged weapons in talents

[carmine falcon]

relying on any gun that isnt flamer for horde clear while playing zealot 😬

[sinful oar]

heres the thing, i use classes based on map. big map= gun and chainsword, or revolver and knife. small indoor map = evisc and flamer

[modern lintel]

bring back fotf ranged rending

[fleet zealot]

lol there isn't really a need for that

[carmine falcon]

fotf used to apply rending? wtf i missed out

[sterile basalt]

I kind of can’t find a way to say this nicely but you really shouldn’t be playing that way

[sinful oar]

i like it, sometimes my classes get boring

[spare dome]

it still does rending, just not on ranged. thank god tbh

[carmine falcon]

im looking up clips and peeps are shredding crushers with autopistoles this is crazy

[fleet zealot]

all maps have a mixture of battle size areas

[sinful oar]

thats why people have roles and characters with different sepecialties. every team needs some damage specialists and CC specialists

[fleet zealot]

honestly, my best advice, you sound like you should be playing veteran, going survivalist into weapon specialist

[sterile basalt]

Are u playing havoc or no

[modern lintel]

what fotf columnus magdumping entire crusher hordes was super balanced smh

[carmine falcon]

zealot CCs by cleaving the entire room with your melee

[sinful oar]

yes

[sinful oar]

yes

[sterile basalt]

Havoc 31+? Or lower ranks

[sinful oar]

and flamer for those incoming hoardes

[remote lark]

i get you have a certain way you want your weapons to work @sinful oar but you also came in here complaining about your teammates being useless which resulted in losses

if you want to actually carry these games you need to drop your ideas about how the weapons "should" work (like taking rampage on chainsword) and accept that there are certain ways they need to be played if ur really after maximizing your gameplay

this game is not about specialization, because you can turn your character into an overpowered killing machine that absolutely wastes every enemy in the game.

There are no 'assassins', there are no 'specializations', there are no 'cc', there is no 'damage specialization', once you get a good build you just become a heretic lawnmower.

[spare dome]

laspistol killing twelve crushers a mag

[sinful oar]

mid level ish

[fleet zealot]

and being a hybrid

Darktide is not a hero shooter, everyone should be able to do anything at minimum. havoc is different but hard specializing in a role is not it until you are deep into havoc

[sterile basalt]

Ok then you don’t need any of those specializations

[sinful oar]

true

[remote lark]

specialization is only a thing at havoc 31+

[grizzled aspen]

How to make back not hurt?

[remote lark]

this game is easy enough that you can atomize an entire horde, the 50 crushers in it, and also bosses and still provide cc and utility, all rolled into one build for most melee weapons zealot has.

[spare dome]

for example, i specialize in blowing myself up so teammates can farm me for revives

this is super useful because.... oh these notes are blank

[obsidian ore]

Gonna do some random havoc runs with kejboy, we got 2 spots anyone want in?

[remote lark]

one of the big things people miss about darktide is that the best way to 'support' your team is to just kill everything before it has a chance to kill them.

[remote lark]

maybe next time my eyes hurt.. :<

[obsidian ore]

rip

[carmine falcon]

EU?

[obsidian ore]

yes
strike team 10 for anyone interested

[grizzled aspen]

This noob would go do havocs if his eyes didn't hurt but he wouldn't play any matches with me, unbelievable.

[carmine falcon]

if high havocs im too skill issued to help nvm

[remote lark]

i wouldn't play matches with you...
Because my eyes hurt

also i'm hungry and cranky

[fleet zealot]

flamer also, really isn't for hordes specifically? it's for killing everything and the horde. mostly large amount of bruiser and low tier elites

[crimson python]

Question - What are the best blessing combos for Relic Blade?

[fleet zealot]

pins

[remote lark]

#zealot-class message

[crimson python]

Pins?

[remote lark]

pinned messages

[remote lark]

use this @crimson python

wait do we have ANOTHER fucking furry now

[carmine falcon]

my first havoc 40 with the boys here wish me luck

[remote lark]

hamdol is literally the best player in this server methinks
you'll be fine

[spare dome]

???? but their name is literally not hamdol

[carmine falcon]

getting carried hell yeah

[grizzled aspen]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jI29mlzSb83HuIgCw?invite=cr-MSxxaWYsMjY5OTA3MzMzLA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FATSHARK FIX BURSTERS PLEASE

[remote lark]

you got stunned and forced into it by a chaff behind you lmfaoooo

[grizzled aspen]

No I was meaning the first one shouldve tried to explode and didn't.

[remote lark]

[grizzled aspen]

If it did, I would've pushed it backwards into the other one, eliminating both without any issue.

[fleet zealot]

slowed by puke

[plush estuary]

?

[sinful oar]

what do yall think of fan the flame and overpressure on flamer

[remote lark]

hamdol casually doing poe2 and h40 at the same time

[fleet zealot]

you pushed it to early, the tick didn't change to a beep

[grizzled aspen]

Look at pins for what to use on flamer.

[remote lark]

no it needs blaze away and overpressure or blaze away and rending flames for armor damage if ur melee lacks it
blaze away is stronger than overpressure

[grizzled aspen]

I was definitely close enough for it to jump, fym? There's no reason it should've not tried to explode.

[fleet zealot]

fan the flame is garbage, just go blaze away+ overpressure.

m1 on flamer already has a ton of stagger and fan the flames doesn't give anything significant

[sinful oar]

wheres the pin, not too familiar on discord

[spare dome]

i dont believe fan the flames does anything yet, but it really should

[remote lark]

isn't fan the knockback thing

dollar store purg staff lmao

[fleet zealot]

yea you missed timing

[spare dome]

yeah

wish it like, stagger locked crushers or something, anything really

[fleet zealot]

flamer already does a ton of stagger on m1, fan the flames for it's massive numerical value does nothing in real gameplay that normal m1 spam stagger wouldn't

[sinful oar]

ivener taken ftf off, ill see about tha then

[grizzled aspen]

No I didn't lmao, I did everything like I was supposed to, it's literally a game issue of bursters not lunging when they should.

[fleet zealot]

[full nebula]

With all this bleed talk, they should add more status effects for us to use. Gimmie a gun that shoots acid and leaves puddles, lemme pull the reverse uno on nurgle

[spare dome]

you shouldve backed up to keep baiting it, it didnt prime

[crimson python]

No. Not a furry. A real life Druid with the Druid name of “Night Fox” Just a random picture I found that kinda looks similar. (Probably drawn by a furry)

[remote lark]

fake furry.........

[grizzled aspen]

Therein is the problem, it should've primed, but didn't, because fatshark.

[spare dome]

arent druids like, the OG furries

[fleet zealot]

Primary Attack ignores 60% Stagger Resistance on Burning Enemies, as well as dealing +45% Impact.

[remote lark]

wait what do you mean 'real life druid'
please explain this sounds interesting

[fleet zealot]

and it does nothing LOL, maybe you stagger a crusher in one less m1 idk it's garbage tho,

[ornate bone]

weed smoker for shamanic purposes

[sinful oar]

so with ftf it adds to that basically making it overkill

[remote lark]

how does one become a real life druid

[hard nexus]

do u sleep in trees

[sinful oar]

idc about crusher stag

[fleet zealot]

no that is fan the flames

[remote lark]

shaboingboing learning about breakpoints
brings a tear to my eye......

[carmine falcon]

we're all laggin
fatshark servers

[crimson python]

Druid are mostly associated with gaming and roleplaying. NOT what real Druids were like

[fleet zealot]

t4.

[hard nexus]

so a nerd

[sinful oar]

o\bro ive rawdogged this game with no help until now

[fleet zealot]

"real druids"

HAHAHAHAHAH

Larping would be less embarrassing

[crimson python]

I wish. A treehouse would be sick

[hard nexus]

aren’t u like part ferret or something

(this sounds insulting but it’s not meant 2 be)

[spare dome]

i learned everything i know about druids from this documentary
https://youtu.be/8PUCSyIkEus?si=_D2EbLRY4BK-HH9h

[sinful oar]

reddit is garbage for help, they just collectively stomp on you while never telling you whats wrong

[fleet zealot]

no i just like ferrets

[crimson python]

Druids were mostly scholars bards and priests

[hard nexus]

oh ok so like me with wolp

[remote lark]

peetism is anti-druid
night fox, turn him into a tree

[fleet zealot]

because it's a karma based voting system and not a true open chatroom like discord

[sinful oar]

hence why im here

[fleet zealot]

yea it's basically what i rolled on my autistic hyperfixation and it landed on ferrets

[crimson python]

Look up Druids. They’re not what you think

[ornate bone]

real life weasel

[full nebula]

Druid next darktide class confirmed

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-ferret-spin-ferret-spinning-gif-4219998903338778567

[grizzled aspen]

Discord keeps shitting itself on my pc every time I try typing in this channel.

[sinful oar]

WE WANT SKITARII

[spare talon]

I made a keystone tierlist

[sinful oar]

i love this vid so fuking much

[modern lintel]

early signs of furry disease

[hard nexus]

this is literally me btw i am this wolf

[full nebula]

Fatshark says you'll take nothing and like it!

[sinful oar]

doggieeeee

[sinful oar]

more like saber says youll take nothing and like it

[grizzled aspen]

If I queue with another person running ds4 and boltgun I might lose it.

[sinful oar]

i lost hope in SM devs

[median steeple]

wolllll

[sinful oar]

[fleet zealot]

i can't be a furry it's too expensive and i like my smooth human skin

[sinful oar]

bolt gun gave me a massive headache

[grizzled aspen]

3veg on refinery delta and these idiots willingly go into the giant room full of shooters and get fucked by bosses.

[signal spoke]

FNP in D tier

[remote lark]

they must really hate crushers

[violet hornet]

BLO is S tier? I always see ogryn builds and guides saying it's terrible and to take other keystones

[sullen forge]

Honestly I agree with DD and MF placement tier wise BUT I personally think DD > MF

[remote lark]

agree mostly but why martyr so low
it gives u alot of effective hp on toughness

[remote lark]

specify where you see these "builds" and "guides" and you will have your answer

[signal spoke]

Probably Gameslantern or outdated youtube videos

[violet hornet]

ogrynomicon and ogryn class chat

[fleet zealot]

martyr hate+ idk it does have a legit issue with no easy access to cdr

[signal spoke]

[remote lark]

ogrynomicon is mid as you get better from what i understand although its still a great resource
also ogryn class chat is a cesspool

[violet hornet]

Yeah there's a reason I don't frequent there lol

[signal spoke]

What else is there you can use the BLO besides full lugger with twin linked

[violet hornet]

BLO seemed fine to me while I was using it to get ogryn penances (yes with full lugger and achlys stubber)

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-ferret-review-cute-shy-embarrassed-gif-1531817783001885917

[carmine falcon]

damn im getting wrecked wot da hylll

[spare talon]

@violet hornet @remote lark @sullen forge all of you reading it seriously but it's a tierlist based on how many letters it has in the name

[fleet zealot]

this reads as someone's legit take

[remote lark]

ok man

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-gif-24248233

[remote lark]

now i know how fs does balancing
longer name = more powerful

[spare talon]

D is 9-10 letters
C is 11-12
B is 13-14
A is 15-16
S is 17-19

[misty nova]

Gunlugger is an underexecuted concept imo

[remote lark]

cole can u rate what i have in my little reference guide so far

[misty nova]

Here's 8% crit chance but your twin linked has negative 5% crit chance

[remote lark]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3422099642
its half done

[plucky gate]

oh that's what it was.
I was about to complain about how EP ended up being best psyker keystone but i realized you were baiting

[sullen forge]

Personally I think I should kill you....

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/4392-bingus-cole-gif-9698978469145099279

[remote lark]

im saving that

[full nebula]

Next balancing patch every weapon is going have the exact same values for damage, cleave ect. That way nothing is OP and nothing is bad.

[grizzled aspen]

BLO is shit though.

[grizzled aspen]

Next balancing patch removes every weapon except achlys combat axe and shredder autopistol, so nobody can have anything nice.

[placid fiber]

Eh... personally I think the mk1 devil's claw is probably more punishing than the achlys caxe... just remove the parry on it, and use it instead. Or hell both

[carmine falcon]

i got carried HARD

[full nebula]

Next patch DS4 is gonna get buffed to 1shot monstrosities, and all of ogryns weapons get nerfed so they can't kill poxwalkers

[heady rapids]

assuming they can kill poxwalkers rn

[full nebula]

[placid fiber]

The only thing about the achlys caxe is it lets you kill crushers(and probably monsters, as well), at the cost of the better horde control/clear the devil's claw mk1 would have <.<

[heady rapids]

wym it lets you kill crushers

[placid fiber]

the achlys caxe chainst he heavy 2(or is it heavy 2 and 3? I can't remember)... which is an armor damage heavy...

[heady rapids]

but rashad 2-3 shots crushers?

[sullen forge]

Something something stay out of my havocs bro....

Also Achlys is kinda fun if you can put up with its weird Horde Clear combo

[carmine falcon]

yeah i might as well stay out wtf is this

[placid fiber]

I was replying/adding to this <.<

[heady rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669129318806454291/1340606508483739710/2025.01.021874635670796591126GgQLE0xa0AEWird-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[placid fiber]

I was just labeling the mk1 devil's claw as probably as a worse option for the "only melee" with the auotpistol aside from the vastly better horde clear/control it has compared to the achlys caxe <.<

I don't want that to actually happen, tho, cuz that would suck lol

[clever swan]

nemesis daemonhammer for psyker WHEN

[placid fiber]

melta for zealot or vet when?

Hell make it a multi-melta and givei t to the oggy for all I care. I really want a melta in darktide >.>

[static sky]

Ogryn should get a space marine size Bolter. Like a storm bolter or something cool. Lightning claws!!!!

[nimble basin]

Question, for higher level missions like havoc and such is it still meta to stack toughness or is it something more?

[spare dome]

you'll usually switch to health or stamina as a zealot and psyker after a certain havoc level

base health and toughness are both reduced but zealot and psyker start with so little that dedicating three curios (and/or three perks) to toughness will only net you like 30-40 more toughness, which is rarely relevant and very expensive

veteran has high base toughness along with two abilities that instantly refill it, and another talent that allows them to act as a toughness battery for the entire team, so they get far more value out of toughness even into the late game

[nimble basin]

How about Martyrdom?

[spare dome]

if youre confident you wont die more than once every two minutes martyrdom is good

[nimble basin]

Same curios then? Stam and Health if Psycher or zealot?

[heady rapids]

if your char has a lot of toughness nodes then stack those cause they're not affected

[spare dome]

oh, no, if youre martyrdom, you'll be taking wounds. otherwise the entire keystone is a wash

[misty nova]

You could do 2 wounds curio then one preference

Can't get 7 stacks after all

[nimble basin]

HEH true

[heady rapids]

holy shit

[stone fern]

i saw that

[stone fern]

bros 🚬 if i have to clutch this game again today imma cry

[grizzled aspen]

Do wardens even pose much of a threat to you in this pack or is your samurott gonna turn around and obliterate him?

[plush estuary]

they do

samurott will get 1 shot, even at level 100

[heady rapids]

whats that on the right 👁️

[plush estuary]

friend

[signal spoke]

Samurai sea lion

[stone fern]

bruh

do medstims not work in until death

[carmine falcon]

bro i dont even mind being dead im watching john darktide and johnny darktide break the game

[stone fern]

also kmsing myself

what is this 4th/5th game this week 😭

[signal spoke]

long noodle being

[real sonnet]

spotted in the wild

[acoustic dune]

Vermintide 2 if it was good

[fleet zealot]

I mean at the start it looks like a normal off meta martyr build and then OH MY GOD EMPEROR

[misty helm]

Stun grenades/no crit perks is a little more than off-meta

[frosty herald]

What in the fuck

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-9567425571520721039

[mild sparrow]

Maybe they're just doing penances...

Maybe...

[real sonnet]

Picking 10% hp boost over duelist tells me that they are NOT doing penances

[mild sparrow]

Doing penances and has poor decision making

[carmine falcon]

got carried again

high havoc is fun but it feels like its made for people who know the game inside and out
i was like a headless chicken in there lmao i have a long way before i can do these comfortably

[heady rapids]

ferret

[placid fiber]

Does it eat cheese? :3

[dull matrix]

you had double godgryns on ur team!

[pale herald]

literally mogged

[tidal berry]

this was a great watch

[pale herald]

60/60 penances on zealot
praised be the beneficent emperor

[fleet zealot]

furret

[spare talon]

Was this through this discord or party finder

[fleet zealot]

no, dairy is even worse for ferrets compared to dogs and cats.

ferrets can literally only eat meat, meat oils and eggs

[spare talon]

Cuz that's keje and hamdolsun
And I know ham is a fucking insane player and I've heard keje also is

[fleet zealot]

they are obligate carnivores with a very simple digestive system, grains, veggies, fruit, can kill them or give them insulinoma

[carmine falcon]

here in vc

[hybrid jewel]

To be fair, cats be like that as well from memory. >_> Dogs just got domesticated to the point they can eat our tablescraps.

[frosty herald]

Gigacarried holy

[hybrid jewel]

To a degree, of course.

[fleet zealot]

cats have adapted to living with humans, partially like dogs

[carmine falcon]

i enjoyed watching them while dead more than playing this hellhole of a mode they were fucking cracked
this is my first ever high havoc btw

[fleet zealot]

ferrets basically haven't evolved their digestive track at all, so like, dogs 75% evolved stomachs, cats 33%, ferrets 0%

[pale spindle]

Something people do wrong with cats is that they give them too much dry food.

Cats were originally from the desert, so they where designed to absorb water from their food.

[fleet zealot]

but these are just random numbers i'm throwing

[clever swan]

it's time to genetically modify ferrets to be able to eat corn

[fleet zealot]

tbf that's really only an issue if you don't supply your cat with enough "attractive" sources of water. and if they are dehydrated despite having a full water bowl hanging out, get them one of those fountains

[pale spindle]

Cow digestive system:

[frosty herald]

Be able to extract nutrients out of a rock

[fleet zealot]

oh ferrets can eat pumpkin, as an emergency laxative, as well as pure petro jelly for the same use

[pale spindle]

Grass spending 65 million years to be as inedible as possible:

[carmine falcon]

but yeah im not attempting high havoc again until im prepared for this cause god damn

[hybrid jewel]

You won't kill your cat with a small amount of standard carbs, but it doesn't mean it's good for them. Dogs give no dooks and just gobble.

[hybrid jewel]

You got the Godgryn carrying you so...

[carmine falcon]

i got the best player in the entire game carrying me seems like

[fleet zealot]

but that's one of the other issues with mill ferrets, is that ferrets imprint hard of the first foods they are given and have a hard time wanting to try or eat anything else

and low quality stores, breeders, and mills will start them on kibble, possibly even cat or dog kibble which is terrible for them! or ferret food that is actually garbage!

someone did an expose on this, there is a lot of ferret foods and ferret treats that are straight up dangerous for ferrets to eat

[frosty herald]

I had hamdol carry me through my first successful havoc 40 which is still very sour to me

[hybrid jewel]

Built in autism for foods? To be fair, pet food in general is like that. Most treats and meals aren't as good as just cooking some meat in a bag in water.

[fleet zealot]

so you have to slowly introduce them by replacing a small % of their preferred food with the food you want them to have, and work your way up

[spare talon]

and the general sentiment among the players havoc is intended for is that havoc is too easy and needs to be harder

[frosty herald]

I want to do a successful havoc 40 without being dead weight

[fleet zealot]

yee plain cooked chicken is an excellent ferret snack

[frosty herald]

the fact that this is the easiest iteration of havoc is insanity

[hybrid jewel]

I mean, it's a good dog snack as well, soooo. lul.

[carmine falcon]

you guys need to seek god
or the emperror or something idk man

[carmine falcon]

i got havoc forged and almost got true survivor cause we cheased mercentile but im not gonna use it i dont wanna set people's expectations too high when i join
auric malestrom is my highest ceiling

[clever swan]

havoc isnt intended for the 20 guys who true solo in this discord

[royal vortex]

how would you know

[clever swan]

wouldnt really make sense

[hybrid jewel]

Just go titleless, yes.

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-lock-in-goku-lock-in-base-goku-dbz-gif-10111101539424646614

[royal vortex]

this has not been a deciding factor in prior fatshark decisions

[carmine falcon]

if players want havoc to be hard
Stop abusing book, shout, shield whatever the fuck
hamdul and his friend just fucking gadooshed everything with a heavy axe and a stubber

[frosty herald]

you have to lock tf in for havoc 40

[tidal berry]

But then how will the masses know I am A.S.S. at the game

[north sedge]

They cater to people who say they have to leave to go watch a compilation and then 40min later you find out it was of car crashes

[carmine falcon]

you know what imma spend time practicing the slide dodge thing
Bro's were dodging 100 reapers like crazy

[royal vortex]

[hybrid jewel]

Okay, fine. Use that then.

[fleet zealot]

ferret exe has stopped working

[placid fiber]

Me when I see a projectile moving towards my character, in rogue legacy 2:

[tidal berry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-zoom-persuit-gif-17646381782073725526

true solo posts be like

[placid fiber]

The projectiles as they start auto tracking my character instead of going in a straight line:

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drive-vroom-gif-4579359959984267629

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/justin-bieber-gun-to-head-killed-shot-murder-gif-15275179

The result of my attempts to avoid them:

[clever swan]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-mpreg-mpreg-monday-omori-mari-gif-6568340145174634279

[lament parrot]

Sup peeps, quickm question how would swap around this build for run nade with purity? (ignore the weapons/curios)
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3aaea6-7f9d-4487-86f8-ed57f57756f5/chorus-beacon-does-it-work?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[placid fiber]

I was talking to my wife while walking and didn't know where my cat was, and I ended up stepping on my cat's tail... 😦

[spare talon]

The highest ranks of havoc is intended for the literal best of the best players
How often people are succeeding in it already means it didn't hit that goal and needs to be harder

[lament parrot]

i kicked the cat cuz i was rushing in the dark, just heard a yelp

[placid fiber]

Oof, did they go flying as well or just get knocked out of the way?

[polar nexus]

they are succeeding because every strat to lower the diff has been discovered

[full nebula]

Havoc should make shooters give you corruption

[polar nexus]

and thus the meta is stale

[lament parrot]

out of the way, then it did a payback while i was playing it jumped on me... my heart

[spare talon]

It was discovered because it's the same meta that existed before havoc dropped

[placid fiber]

[hybrid jewel]

Just more tight and less leeroy?

[polar nexus]

bubble book was not meta

[carmine falcon]

how do u even make this thing harder tho
u got gunners who melt u in a sec, tanky af enimies and swarm sizes that make your pc cry for help

[full nebula]

Oh my god he just ran in

[carmine falcon]

like the only way to make it harder without it being pure bullshit by nerfing all the shit the player use to cheese it

[polar nexus]

no perks, no blessings, no points

[lament parrot]

I just want CW back, sp much fun

[carmine falcon]

this is the hardest diff mode ive played on a horde shootah

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/black-ops-woods-cod-gif-17392574626699745990

[clever swan]

maybe if it went to havoc 60+ but 40 seemed like a conservative number that they probably mean to expand on

[polar nexus]

there is no Warhammer 60k

(i wish)

[rare kelp]

havoc 80 has team dmg enabled

[frosty herald]

havoc 80 would not be beatable

[carmine falcon]

they should make it where there is no toughness straight health dmg and u got one shot
and u cant be rescued cause u had a heart attack irl

[spare talon]

Pacing currently is progress based, not time based

[carmine falcon]

timed missions like rolling steel? that could work ig
knife zealot dream

[clever swan]

also i figure if they wanted it to be extremely difficult to contend with the try-hardest of all they'd have added, for the very hardest havoc level (or something), a new "critical modifier" that is basically a modifier from hell.

(which they probably will do eventually)

[spare talon]

No that would suck ass for havoc
I meant that any non specialists spawn is exclusively tied to progress
Hordes only spawn at thresholds
Bosses only spawn at thresholds
You can literally slowly work your way through the mission, backing up as needed and only moving forward when everything you pulled aggro on is dead

[clever swan]

that could be a critical modifier from hell for the hardest difficulties, changing the director to be able to spawn things without regard for map progress

[spare talon]

Or yknow
They revert it back to how it was for the entire game

[carmine falcon]

how was it before the changes exactly
this was basically the seventh layer of hell so i cant imagine a more chaotic experience lmao

nvm i see what you mean now (i cant read)

[polar nexus]

That's Havoc specific right?

[atomic matrix]

what makes the decision for when dumping damage or mobility for a flamer?

when each one make sense?

[wheat quartz]

Devils claw blessings?

[spare talon]

That's how the entire game has worked in everything since SOTMG iirc

[spare talon]

Shred rampage

[polar nexus]

When I duoed with egg earlier I had some horde spawning behind us when I was trying to backtrack

And I remember being shot by a sniper spawning in an area we had already cleared

[spare talon]

Damage dump is literally 1 point difference in damage on the initial hits which is less than unnoticeable
The dodge distance assists with backpedaling while you're blazing away

Damage is the better dump cuz all the real damage comes from the burn stat

[remote lark]

epic_noob.....

[atomic matrix]

so its always better to dump damage all the time? then why its suggested mobility dump in the pin too?

[remote lark]

pins are old and silly

[spare talon]

Because both are extremely miniscule but I'm saying that I believe damage to be even less worth having on flamer

[fleet zealot]

this is banned now 😔

[clever swan]

it's probably fine, it's surely pg13 especially when just a little joke

[remote lark]

@unborn depot can you remove these
two are terrible and one has a broken link that doesn't even work

theres also a ton of memes in pins that, since i hate fun, think should be removed, but thats up to you guys

[frosty herald]

builds from 2023 are outdated wow thats crazy

and since when did you turn into a holier than thou preacher on the game?

[spare talon]

I clicked on one and it wasn't even bad

[carmine falcon]

pin more memes

[frosty herald]

both builds are perfectly fine

[manic edge]

this is on the requisitorium, how bad is it?

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/vro-vro-cat-cat-im-tweaking-im-tweaking-cat-gif-9452953164378936408

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/afham-walter-walter-white-heisenberg-middle-finger-gif-25534747

[unborn depot]

I removed a couple of truly ancient irrelevant pins, but otherwise am leaving it untouched- I can remove other stuff later if we run out of space though

memes stay though, I find them personally amusing

[unborn depot]

No need for these jabs though, people are welcome to asking for changes to pins.

[median steeple]

I need to give the auto pistol another shot I think

[spare talon]

I looked at the 2nd one and it had swift certainty before it got nerfed
And kantrael when it was fuckin busted
Those are the two things that aged not so great but that one is just a standard mk3 non crit talent setup

[hardy snow]

Bruh I just saw a truelevel 5107 zealot, highest I've seen yet

[median steeple]

Bored asf with guns for zealot so might as well

[spare talon]

Trauma

[plush estuary]

no. He's 5700 rn

5100 is cyra or eva

[spare talon]

I don't know any other 5000s tbh

Oh true cyra was around high 4800-4900 last I saw

[manic edge]

you can go higher then lvl 30? O.o

[median steeple]

I wish to say things about tech bros but I would be banned

[atomic matrix]

make sense, thanks for the headsup folks

[clever swan]

requires the true level mod to see it

[manic edge]

Ah gotcha

[pale spindle]

Heh, try me 😏

[obsidian ore]

We won a true ogryn duo in havoc 40 just now, was soo fun

I will send link when it uploads, kej recorded it. 1 hour vid

[obsidian ore]

Never underestimate how much determination players have. Give me the havoc 80, and a week

[hard nexus]

(my pin is up to date)

[median steeple]

everything below the crusher guide is kind of out of date (idk if Vin updated his spreadsheet yet)

[placid fiber]

Take only wound curios, but, on non-martyrdom builds

[dull matrix]

which map?

[obsidian ore]

Sycorax, which is the perfect starter duo map

[dull matrix]

Nice job!

I got 2/3 vigil station last time we tried. going to try for that one again this week

[obsidian ore]

Thanks brother, first you break the first completion, then you expand on other maps. We already have another map on our sights, we will see.

[placid fiber]

So the 5-12 crusher and 2-6 bulwark patrol on only normal int heresy is just an extra fuck you from the director to the player free of charge?

[obsidian ore]

https://youtu.be/-NTygyzw3zg?si=bGMWnd3la6Joi3zk

Finally finished uploading, enjoy the raw footage lol

[dull matrix]

damn our 2/3 through vigil was 48minutes and u completed sycro in 1hr

[obsidian ore]

Gotta post it in couple of extra places real quick

[placid fiber]

The only good thing I can say about tbhis are the perk bonuses(not tiers), the blessings are trash... and you want defences to be the stat at 60% not damage

[manic edge]

Okay, prob will just let it sit then, thank you

i always check him just in case he were to have a crazy stat roll since i want all the weapons haha

[placid fiber]

Yep,for the thammer you want thrust and heataker or slaughterer for the blessings(but as long as the final stats are correct you can always change blessings and perks at any time)

Same for which mark you are using(if it has more than 1 mark)

[manic edge]

wait that mark matters on weapons?

[placid fiber]

Yes, depending on the weapon... some weapons it is preference, others it matters a lot

[manic edge]

Oh

is this wrong then?

[placid fiber]

no, relic blade's mk is based on preference

[manic edge]

Oh okay phew

[carmine falcon]

this is good

[manic edge]

i forgot their name but someone helped me make it and i love using it ^-^

just trying to get a good gun now, keeping anything that might be good and then asking here has helped me alot so far lol

[placid fiber]

for guns, from my experience, it tends to matter a lot more on which mk you are using(zarona for revolver, agripinaa for braced autogun,etc)... I am not 100% certain on how many guns it matters on, but, I've noticed more guns where the mk matters than I have melee weapons... for all I know it could be equal on both ends, this is just what I have noticed

Anyway I'm heading back to bed, I only got back up so I could keep working on laundry. gnight

[grizzled aspen]

Iirc you want carapace instead of elites to hit sprint/slide thrust chastise bp on crushers.

[manic edge]

Whoa

[grizzled aspen]

Unfortunately, vigilant autoguns are poopy.

[manic edge]

Oh

[sterile stone]

Folks we need to petition to fat shark

[grizzled aspen]

Their maniac adm is quite bad.

[manic edge]

i kinda want to collect a good version of each weapon tho

[grizzled aspen]

40 thousand world wars.

[manic edge]

but if it's not worth investing in that i prob shouldnt buy that.

[grizzled aspen]

You do you, I'm just letting you know their shortcoming is maniac damage. Takes like 12 shots to the head to drop a dreg rager.

[manic edge]

this one seems weird

[grizzled aspen]

Their flak and unarmored damage is quite good, though. You could use it as a counter shooting gun.

[fleet zealot]

yea you just, go maniac perk and cry tbh

but it's aight, headhunter+ Deadly accurate blessing, they die eventually,

[grizzled aspen]

"Eventually" being after you draw melee and beat them to death...

[frosty herald]

Isnt that aerotech or just a volkite pistol?

[sterile stone]

Mechanicus Macrostubber

[grizzled aspen]

Volkite is red anyway, ain't it?

[atomic matrix]

if its up to date, then can you explain me the scenario for dumping movility? the damage difference doesnt sounds that important even for a rapid fire weapon who's main feature is its dot

[manic edge]

i bought the gun cause why not

[fleet zealot]

flamer doesn't have melee dodge property, so having that little bit of dodge is better for when you are backpedaling and avoiding hits, meanwhile damage only effects contact damage and only by 1, which is barely anything when the vast majority of damage from flamer is coming from the burn stat

[fleet zealot]

no you don't want cloud radius dumped, it's both your length and width of fire

[manic edge]

no not the flamer

[fleet zealot]

oh okay

[manic edge]

the autogun, the flamer seemed sucky so i didnt get it lol

plus i dont really like flamers they feel clunky to me

[carmine falcon]

flamer is one of the strongest weapons in the entire game
if u want a classic rifle braced and infantry autoguns are fun

[fleet zealot]

for ranged weapon your dump priorioty is damage on flamers-> warp resistance->collateral-> mobility for dump stats

[manic edge]

i just want a good roll of each weapon, and if they arnt actually good i just wont invest materials in them unless i already have the good stuff done, that was my plan at least

[hard nexus]

the difference is extremely minimal

[fleet zealot]

if you don't have one of those available at the start of the list, dump the next one in line

[atomic matrix]

EXACTLY! from what i was told that make sense, so idk why its said that is up to date when it would be a (arguably minor) missdirection

[fleet zealot]

much like the heavy sword variant, or relic sword variant arguements, it ultimately doesn't matter that much

[delicate shadow]

we should replace your guides with Cole's amazing tier list 🙂

[hard nexus]

troo!!

[manic edge]

I pretty much entirely use my melee for attacking, so i was looking to get a gun that'd be helpful for when i can't melee

[grizzled aspen]

We should unpin Lumii's pinned materials and just ping the hell out of him every time someone has a question about relic blade.

[fleet zealot]

one braincell

[manic edge]

someone said boltgun would be good so ive been spending dockets to roll one and buying good rolls i see if someone says i should

[fleet zealot]

we should pin every ferret i've ever posted

[delicate shadow]

we're gonna need a bigger channel for that

[atomic matrix]

Ogryn brain level

[manic edge]

why not a channel just for your ferrets?

[fleet zealot]

boltgun wants to dump collateral

[carmine falcon]

boltgun is pppppeak

[fleet zealot]

I give the people what they need, not what they want. If there was a ferret channel, only people who want ferrets will be there

[grizzled aspen]

Specifically for zealout, yes, because we don't take pinning fire.

[manic edge]

wait fr? i had one with 60% collaterall and someone told me it was trash so i tossed it :C

[fleet zealot]

here, i can reach out to the people that truly need more ferret in their life

[delicate shadow]

honestly #pet-tide is good for this, though Bandit would then be having to add disclaimers that they do not, in fact, own 2 billion ferrets across multiple properties

[manic edge]

dangit

[tropic pelican]

they should, why dont they

[fleet zealot]

yea lol, ever since the bulwark buffs collateral on bolter only has one breakpoint, and that is staggering a bulwark while hitting shield, lowering from 6 shots to 5 shots

[delicate shadow]

we live in an imperfect world ok

[manic edge]

aw man. whelp now i know

[carmine falcon]

bullwark buffs is crazy
why do this to us 😭

[fleet zealot]

i don't see a good use case for collat on vet either, if you have bolter out and stanced up, you are going to want to dodge melee better

[manic edge]

i coulda had a good boltgun day 1 rip

[fleet zealot]

people have legit been shocked when i tell them no, i don't own any ferrets currently

[tropic pelican]

the emperor would grant me 200 trillion ferrets, we live in the dark timeline

[grizzled aspen]

Because you take pinning fire on vet, silly.

[fleet zealot]

or even mad,

[fleet zealot]

does it give any actual stagger breakpoints that would affect pinning and could you please show the chat?

[grizzled aspen]

Iirc 2shot reaper headshot to stagger.

[fleet zealot]

you aren't going to magdump a bulwark shield to stack pinning, you are going to shoot something else and then shoot the bulwark when someone else staggers it with 0 investment option or it opens itself up

[atomic matrix]

what zealot's bolter runs instead of pinning fire?

[fleet zealot]

fuck you got one, well, i'm not changing that, i can just 3 tap a reaper on vet not that hard but okay you found one

[manic edge]

i needta farm dockets

[grizzled aspen]

Puncture + shattering.

[delicate shadow]

I mean, I get why someone who doesn't know you at all would be surprised you don't own any but like...it doesn't take a genius to figure it out either after you see like 10 or so ferret posts where it's different houses/properties lol

[fleet zealot]

shattering puncture, very good fixed breakpoints

[manic edge]

people have brains on the internet?

[fleet zealot]

different skin colors on the human hands, different languages in videos, different genders of humans

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-supprise-helldivers-helldivers-2-that's-nice-nice-gif-16523774879035659317

[fleet zealot]

actually lost so many ferret content moving to this new pc

[atomic matrix]

no need, we are all a hivemind of idiots

[delicate shadow]

people do have brains, though very very few of those are in zelchat

[tropic pelican]

you can get brains for free at the park, there's no law against it

[manic edge]

i am a dumb zealot and im happy

[tropic pelican]

wow is that your ferret

[fleet zealot]

i traded my braincells for ferret videos

[manic edge]

honest good trade

[fleet zealot]

but they are on my old hard drive 😔 hey any tips for getting an HDD out of a computer case the side panel won't budge, so i can't get around to where the hdd needs to be unplugged from and slotted out

[grizzled aspen]

Pull on the hdd really hard.

[sterile stone]

Toss it in the lake

The tech fish fix all problems, you will get it back in 2-3 business days.

[fleet zealot]

the other side panel comes off

im going to hit everything but it with a hammer until it pops out

[tepid shoal]

Any pics?

[fleet zealot]

i got this picture of a ferret

[tidal berry]

I like this game

[median steeple]

it's pretty good

[delicate shadow]

Vinbert is in the process of welding it all together (I have no idea)

[gray ice]

The Tsar Fish is benevolent only to the devoted. Reject your heretical electricity

[tidal berry]

bit expensive but I've paid for slop marine 2 so I have no excuses

[grizzled aspen]

Fumkin kibty!!!

[sterile stone]

We must industrialize the fish

[tidal berry]

I like that they included a switch that turns palico speech into just meows

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wilds-monster-hunter-wilds-hop-on-gif-6758727134042430039

[gray ice]

Vins been doing this and banging metal together so spreadsheet is outdated till it isn't

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/clang-yeowch-elden-ring-crucible-knight-fall-gif-18144091612164043931

[north sedge]

oh well just pin that video

[sterile basalt]

open bulwark in 2 shots with exe stance

it's surprisingly practical

[tidal berry]

didn't knew exe affected that

[delicate shadow]

hell yea brother

[sterile basalt]

exe is +100%Rstg

[tidal berry]

but this is just bait, you won't make me boot up darktide

I won't fall for numbercat bait, darktide has fallen, thousands must monhun instead

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/scomo-scomo-welding-scott-morrison-scott-morrison-welding-gif-17061263838092888488

I love welding

[tidal berry]

Its another thing I wish I was good at .d

[grizzled aspen]

This makes my eyes hurt.

[delicate shadow]

well you can't be worse than the former prime minister in that gif

[grizzled aspen]

Woe, arc blindness be upon everyone in that room.

[tidal berry]

think I just don't have the eyes for it

[gray ice]

I have a clip of me cold pulse welding but it does look a little like a flashbang I'll spare that one

[remote lark]

who the fuck pinged me 4 times

[north sedge]

just tack on that cat being flashbanged at the end and people will like it

[tidal berry]

@remote lark Idk but lets make it 5

[remote lark]

[grizzled aspen]

@remote lark @remote lark @remote lark @remote lark hiiiiii :3

[sterile stone]

Mans working on the irl first gen Custodes armor

[remote lark]

the day i became better than you
... whenever this was, presumably

[grizzled aspen]

I've been ignored, kms.

[remote lark]

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii froooooooooooooooooooooooooooog

[tidal berry]

many such cases

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-robot-creature-commandos-dc-gif-1257223482055394543

[grizzled aspen]

HIIIIIIIIIII :3

[remote lark]

do I have one

can I have yours??

Poe2 is so much fun

I went from 30k dps no resistances to 140k halfway to resistance cap

[grizzled aspen]

You know what else is fun? Playing darktide with Frog.

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[grizzled aspen]

Lumii doesn't have a brain, I ate it after his last spreadsheet to try and get smarter. Didn't help.

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/youve-got-to-be-kydding-me-jesper-kyd-bsod-gif-3813363666672108639

[carmine falcon]

i hope they add mobien 21 outside havoc
was fun dealing with hordes that dont melt in 10 seconds

[sterile stone]

@frosty herald https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=occzUgD8OM4

[fleet zealot]

NINJA?

oh god they really are just creatively bankrupt

[remote lark]

KILLING FLOOR 3?

[sterile stone]

Basically just berserker with a grappling hook

And shock mines apparently?

[fleet zealot]

wait what are these graphics

like they zoom in and suddenly they get mega scuffed

[carmine falcon]

yeah graphics look pretty ass
motion blur out of the wazzo

[fleet zealot]

the gore looks so bad actually looking at it, looks like red gloss was put everywhere

[delicate shadow]

killing floor peaked at kf1

it was all downhill from there

[carmine falcon]

i dont think killing floor 2 looks good but it had nice atmosphere
this looks too pulby and weird and not in a good way

[fleet zealot]

kf2 would be peak without all the

[sterile stone]

Bunch of brits screaming wanker every 10 seconds

[fleet zealot]

attachmetns to it, just kidding tho i found it's gameplay too floaty compared to the tide and l4d series but god damn at least it was still good at least

out of game itself yea, too much dlc, too much microtransactions

[sterile stone]

The game got very pay to win at the end there with it's micro transactions.

[carmine falcon]

good lord the havoc 40 rewards are amazing

[fleet zealot]

source mods that evolve into good games will always have bad sequels

look at no more room in hell, i was lowkey hyped for the standalone and it apparently just sucked lol

[delicate shadow]

KF2 was more fun early on in the game's life cycle, it turned to shit real fast after the first like year tho

[delicate shadow]

tosser, tosspot and plonker are severely underrated insults

I'm also partial to drongo, drongo is like an endearing one

[sterile stone]

I'm guessing the way kf 3 goes is it has a progression system similar to SM2

Atleast that's how it looks with the weapons and skill tree

Guessing at some point you can customize your guns' attatchments aswell.

[fleet zealot]

but he's japanese

[tidal berry]

yup

[fleet zealot]

the ninja is japanese and speaks japanese it should be a japanese insult

[sterile stone]

Different class, engineer gets shotguns.

[fleet zealot]

oh okay, i see.

[sterile stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeftGQI523A

[fleet zealot]

like honsetly names like that seem like red flags

it's just quirky without substance to back it up. it isn't like borderlands where a crazy named gun will have an equally crazy special effect

[tidal berry]

game gives major slop vibes

[carmine falcon]

i only got into kf2 recently and i played casually with friends but i dont get the bitching about operators vs old classes
you literally just had like 5 something perks to make each class stand out? it never seemed like that deep of a system lmao

[fleet zealot]

to give it a backhanded insult, it looks like the end result of late kf2 philosophy

[full nebula]

Killing Floor is pretty good, first ones pretty good, lot more gritty and grounded. Second game isn't too bad but yeah its kinda dookie in a lot of ways. Third game looks okayish imo, probably gonna be a little dookie because the company doesn't care that much me thinks

[fleet zealot]

but you weren't locked to a class based on your character, they were 2 separate independent options

[full nebula]

Farttide puts horde games to shame though of course

[tidal berry]

I grew tired of the one liners just watching that video above lmao

[fleet zealot]

and you got a feat system ala vt2 for each class

[carmine falcon]

oh ig that's fair enough

[merry flume]

have you played any killing floor game lmao

[tidal berry]

just the first

[fleet zealot]

i mean yea kf2 is always one liners

[merry flume]

all killing floor games had oneliners

[fleet zealot]

but i feel this is worst if it's already tiring in a trailer, vs kf1 and kf2 where it has more lasting power

[sterile stone]

It's a mix of people not liking new things, and just over used trends.

[full nebula]

Even the first game is a lot of the same dialogue repeating

[merry flume]

killing floor fans 🤝 slop

[sterile stone]

The cool bit about the older killing floor games is you could play anyone you wanted as any class you wanted. This seems more like pve hero shooter in some aspect with less individuality from the outside looking in.

[full nebula]

I'm honestly fine with sprinting, sliding and dodging. Now the question is if its implemented well for satisfying gunplay, and if the dodging isn't dogshit.

[sterile stone]

Well I mean if you want a chance to playtest the beta for the game, you can go on tripwire's website and apply.

[full nebula]

Nah its too late

They've already ran the signups

[fleet zealot]

also i do know things like pyro and demo in kf2 did have different talent set ups depending on what loadout you wanted for that game

[sterile stone]

Oh, rip, I'm just waiting to see if I get a code to play at this point.

[tidal berry]

yeah except it went from listening to british geezers to whatever the fuck ''face my righteous steel'' is

[fleet zealot]

playtesting won't help, it's not like fatshark where it's just unfinished

[full nebula]

The specialists in the second game did actually have some interesting perks and whatnot.

[fleet zealot]

this is a clear lack of good design,

[sterile stone]

Killing floor 2 was more or less over characterizations of character's nationality.

[tidal berry]

didn't play 2, don't regret it

[full nebula]

Idk, i think they had their design direction. A lot of people just don't like it because its going far from the original game.

[sterile stone]

Like Tanaka being a stereotypical Japanese samurai or the French chick's obnoxious accent.

[tidal berry]

I think I refunded it for some reason but don't think it was over character one liners. Either way KF1 didn't spam cheesy liner every 5 seconds

[fleet zealot]

the backlash from fans of the series is clear

[full nebula]

The community is actually pretty split

[fleet zealot]

i loved my ro-bro, my bro-bot

[full nebula]

Whatever happens I'm sure its gonna be "Eh, its ight"

[fleet zealot]

nah i legit think this is gonna bomb if something doesn't change,

[sterile stone]

The EDAR that reguritated the one liners of the other characters with a voice modulator?

[full nebula]

Little late for any major changes at this point

[fleet zealot]

or if it really just has mindblowing gameplay but it doesn't look like that either

[fleet zealot]

yes

[sterile stone]

Yeah apparently people who had early testing access have been playing it for months now.

[tidal berry]

this is like.. something something broken clock

[full nebula]

I'm honestly fine with disabler type enemies they're adding. Sirens are pretty interesting too I think, destroying bullets when they scream instead of just nades now.