zealot-class

[placid fiber]

^

[stone fern]

base thammer is mid

[placid fiber]

at best

[grizzled aspen]

Also, yeah, hammer requires blessings to function. Relic blade doesn't.

[placid fiber]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Yeah, the thammer is extremely blessing and perk reliant

[fiery ingot]

I wish I werent so bad had the balls to play thammer but i ain't got those. Such cool fucking badass weapons

[placid fiber]

thammer requires having a feel for it... and a proper build and blessing/perk setup

It requires the whole 9 yards

I still remember when it required slaughterer for light attack horde clear...

[full nebula]

Hammers good, not that hard once you practice a bit. The damage kinda carries itself

[stone fern]

try ironhelm its easier to use

[fiery ingot]

I tried it once. Back when twins came out. Got the whole ij setup for it and had lazor giving me tips on it. I sucked so bad at it I never tried it again

[placid fiber]

clad, our very own ironhelm shill'er

[stone fern]

but if you play it too much youd have a harder time getting into the other one

[placid fiber]

It's much easier now, they lowered the hit stun time on it by a lot

[full nebula]

Tbh with crucis, it's just heavies repeat for clearing, and now when you charge it, it goes to an overhead

[stone fern]

the ij dodge reset reduction works very well with thammer since you have do dodge a lot while charging heavies

[placid fiber]

it was like 1.1 seconds back then iirc

now it's 0.3(light) and 0.5(heavy) seconds for the hitstun on special

[full nebula]

The big thing is they changed the first swing after you charge it. It defaults to an overhead instead of a horizontal. Makes it a lot easier to hit things.

[placid fiber]

being stunned for 1.1s in a tide game is a long time lol

[fiery ingot]

Crucis is the big dick one yeah? The one that loses the special activation on its next attack?

[placid fiber]

Both lose the special activation after the 1st swing, the ironhelm just cleaves through horde enemies until it runs out of cleave or hits an elite/special/monster

[full nebula]

It's fast enough now that you can kinda go around bopping gunners and whatnot with the special and 1shot pretty much everything but bosses

[fiery ingot]

Ohhh okok I thought the other one had 2 attacks with the special

[placid fiber]

ironhelm does 20% less special damage than the crucis on the heavies 1 and 2, and 10% less on the heavy 3.

[full nebula]

You can also like 2-3 hit a daemonhost. You might be able to 1shot them still but idk.

[placid fiber]

Ironhelm is the baby mode thammer, basically lol

[placid fiber]

You can 1 shot them with 6 marty stacks and perfectionist shroudfield. I just tested this earlier

needs thrust, 25% unyielding, purge the unclean, and 20% backstab damage

[full nebula]

I run fury of the faithful, shroud is probably more damage overall though

[placid fiber]

Look at how close I come to a 1 shot without sustained/headtaker stacks T_T

😭

[full nebula]

[fiery ingot]

Damn

[placid fiber]

1 stack of each, tho? lol

Just falls over lol

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/kingelmer-elmer-king-gif-15902514535197178058

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[fiery ingot]

I might take a few hours to practice on it my next day off then

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/taser-taser-guy-burger-king-police-chase-take-down-gif-5945983029468493248

[fiery ingot]

The weapon mastery skin is also so badass

[placid fiber]

The mastery skin for the thammer sucks ass

[full nebula]

If you got the games dlc there's a good skin for hammer with it

[fiery ingot]

Wait wat

[violet hornet]

All free thammer skins suck tbh

[placid fiber]

Mine has a special skin in the vids

[violet hornet]

The base skin looks cooler lol

[full nebula]

The one he has on is the one from the dlc

[placid fiber]

it's from either the imperial edition or the 1st zealot cosmetic pack, I can't remember which x.x

[violet hornet]

Imperial edition for sure, I got it just for that skin

[fiery ingot]

Ain't no way the mastery skin looks so dope to me bro 😭

[placid fiber]

isn't the mastery skin just an ironhelm skin?

[grand tangle]

No it's just a sledgehammer

[placid fiber]

Ah

[violet hornet]

Honestly I don't remember, I took one look at it and panned it

[fiery ingot]

Maybe its because i barely touch that weapon at all

[placid fiber]

Compared to the skin I have in the vids, all other skins they have given us suck ass >.>

[grand tangle]

Mastery thammer is a steel block painted red on a stick

[fiery ingot]

Yeah its much more massive than the base skin

[placid fiber]

Bleh

[fiery ingot]

Yes the bigger the bonk the better

[placid fiber]

It looks like a toy thammer

ig at least someone likes how the mastery skin looks...

[fiery ingot]

What setup should i run with it btw? I'm not a fan of marty but if it makes it easier to learn for the first few tries i'm willing to give it a go

[placid fiber]

marty or IJ are the only 2 options

piety sucks ass with it

[stone fern]

marty has more consistant damage ij has better dodges so pick whichever tbh

[placid fiber]

^

[fiery ingot]

Do i need all 3 wound curios if i go with marty? I've come to rely heavily on a 1 curio stam

[placid fiber]

for marty I would do 1 toughness and 2 wound, myself, but others use 3 wound. Those are the main 2 options used

[full nebula]

You don't have to run martyrdom if you don't want to jump through the hoops too

Lose damage potential of course

[fiery ingot]

I think i'll test both in solo runs its the best way for me to get a feel of it

[placid fiber]

For me it's 1 toughness 2 wound all the way, for others it's 3 wound all the way. Just depends which vibes better with your playstyle

[full nebula]

Personally I prefer fury of the faithful because of the double charge and you get instant toughness on use, that's a worthy enough trade off for me

[placid fiber]

IJ is not wound reliant

[stone fern]

3 wounds or 2 wound 1 stamin is both fine

[placid fiber]

Clad, our 1 stamina marty shiller lol

[fiery ingot]

Got it. Ty for all the help masters

[placid fiber]

Personally I would suggest IJ until you know how to use the thammer better, so you are more ready when you're in bad situations with marty

Not relying on wound buffs beforehand might help

[stone fern]

i would suggest the exact opposite

[placid fiber]

You would also suggest flesh tearer lacerate on the knife >.>

[stone fern]

u would suggest weakspot

[placid fiber]

We're arguing like an old married couple

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-5920695394641505768

[placid fiber]

Does it hurt? x.x

[fleet zealot]

Holy god emperor of terra save me

It’s like someone took every issue i have with some chaxe builds and combined them together

[placid fiber]

This is what lumi suggested #zealot-class message

[fleet zealot]

Whenever i feel like it tbh, also depends if i’m running desperation or not

[placid fiber]

oh yeah desperation is also good on the mk4 right?

[fleet zealot]

I wouldn’t take bolter with chain axe

[placid fiber]

cuz the push attack is gud

[fleet zealot]

They both do the same role

Yea cause Pa is basically just a heavy with a bit higher stagger

And chaxe4 is the only weapon that doesn’t have to rev to fight bigger enemies since you can light spam

[stone fern]

change blood redemption to duelist and its great

[fleet zealot]

Doesnt need it

[placid fiber]

Your camera just has a seizure instead right? lol

[stone fern]

blocked

[fleet zealot]

Chaxe is a weapon that objectively doesn’t need duelist

[stone fern]

no

[fleet zealot]

It has low finesse and already hits BPs without it, i can see duelist on mk12 sure

[stone fern]

duelist goes in all builds

[fleet zealot]

But mk4 doesn’t need it

Clad i’m the expert here

[placid fiber]

Clad would hate to see one of my marty builds lol

[stone fern]

the expert is wrong

[fleet zealot]

I went and tested every psykanium BP, duelist helps with nothing

[stone fern]

blood redemption does less than nothing

[fleet zealot]

Chaxe mk4 is the sole weapon that can just skip duelist

[tame sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-judging-gif-7737049233510949865

[plucky gate]

What about in havoc?

[fleet zealot]

True, doesn’t mean to socket in duelist

[tame sluice]

well you're not using the chainaxe in havoc to begin with so

[placid fiber]

Doesn't even the thammer have some duellist breakpoints? :/

[plucky gate]

weak

[fleet zealot]

Don’t play chaxe in havoc, you can only juice the cleave so much and it’s target cap of 4 cleave sucks

[stone fern]

everything has duelist breakpoints ||the breakpoint to play the game||

[fleet zealot]

It’s simply slower, inefficient and clunkier

[tame sluice]

I remember when Fatshark gave the community control of balance in VT2 and INSTANTLY every weapon that had a cleave cap had it removed

[fleet zealot]

Like i tried but after 25 and throwing on 21st and gas mods it just sucks

[placid fiber]

My breakpoint is: ||cheese||

[tame sluice]

Like it was the very first thing that happened

[fleet zealot]

Mk4 chaxe would be god tier then lol

[stone fern]

all cleavecaps are designed around malice anyways

[placid fiber]

Clad arguing with the chainaxe god:

[stone fern]

show me the evi15/2 god and i will kill he/she/it

[placid fiber]

@hard nexus

[stone fern]

i meant the person that made it not the person that likes it

[placid fiber]

Meow is the eviscerator god

[stone fern]

there is no way meow would put a cleave cap on evi15 shes not a meowron

[placid fiber]

oh ye of little faith

[fiery ingot]

Oh FS added a cleave cap to evis mk15 is that it?

[tame sluice]

there's no way any sentient organism would put a cleave cap on a weapon because that's a garbage mechanic nobody likes

[plucky gate]

play it in havoc where you can't cleave for shit so it doesn't matter!

[copper hawk]

All these ppl losing their minds over the optional gay romance w Hans Capon has inspired me to do a gay route in kc d 2

[placid fiber]

mk15 has always had a damage cap on the lights(4 on the lights, 6 on the revved lights) :/

[stone fern]

we need to find the tide-hivemind that fatshark uses to design its games

[solar gorge]

i missed it entirely by accident

[fiery ingot]

Makes sense, considering its just light spam

[placid fiber]

It's the reason why dumping cleave targets is viable on the mk15: it has like 10 cleave...

[copper hawk]

Some funny comments at least

[remote lark]

https://medal.tv/games/path-of-exile-2/clips/jGI18AclEidTwwuqa?invite=cr-MSxxT20sMjE0MTU3ODUwLA
@frosty herald ppl said act 4-6 would be hard

[jaunty lava]

Is something happening with the servers it's been 3 games in a row im filled with bots

[placid fiber]

Yeah it took you 20 whole seconds to kill it

[misty nova]

Since Kat manifested a Greatsword I'll manifest a removal of all targets cap

[stone fern]

NEED MORE MANA 🗣️

[plucky gate]

???
act 4-6 is easier cause at that point you should be stronger

[remote lark]

point of video:

[placid fiber]

people are dumb

[plucky gate]

who are these "people"

[placid fiber]

idk, but, rando people in general are dumb lol

[lean lark]

poe2 is only hard at endgame bosses and t16 delirium maps

[fleet zealot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d93519a-afd0-40e7-ad7e-fce2e58fe30c/pro-autism-chain-axe-gun

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d934a29-c73e-40bd-8743-1566dca29725/pro-autism-chainaxe-build-flamer

Only chain axe builds that matter

[undone pewter]

The ferret does make it more trust worthy

[pale spindle]

What about anti autism? 🤔

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/plague-ogryn-ogryn-reaction-live-reaction-plague-ogryn-live-reaction-gif-1395788199602766548

[fleet zealot]

That was a build i saw

Hence the name, i’m joining the war on autism on the side of autism

[pale spindle]

Imagine NOT being autistic in this game SMH

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-shake-my-head-bruh-phoenix-wright-pw-gif-18256821

[pale spindle]

SMH shaking

[copper hawk]

Ziiigh..

[placid fiber]

You were attacked by avians weren't you

[copper hawk]

Attacked by yo mama

[placid fiber]

Didn't know you were able to be accosted by 70 yo women.

[grizzled aspen]

I think we should beat Cica with hammers.

[placid fiber]

[drowsy steppe]

got a little too excited

[visual stream]

Played Mouthwashing last night

Hate Jimmy, 'ate Curly, simple as

[hidden grove]

just had to get a hit in instead of try to at least block, classic zealots 😂

[tame sluice]

too low on health

[visual stream]

They should give crushers a fakeout where they go to raise the club for an overhead but do the slap attack instead

[clever swan]

nah...i don't think they should

[split ibex]

uh, is this secret Havoc meta that I'm unaware of?

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/gleba-factorio-space-age-wube-octopus-gif-6147902221396347071

[hearty nebula]

no

[drowsy steppe]

nay its this

second winds your best survivability node

[hearty nebula]

arent the second book talents kind of ass? idr

[frosty herald]

Maybe at havoc 15 and lower

[drowsy steppe]

theyre not totally necessary and can be replaced

[pale spindle]

Jesus Christ it's Jason Bourne

[hardy eagle]

Hello fellow Zealots, who amongst thy has the Emperor’s Blessings?

[fleet zealot]

The viseo isn’t play ling for me only the audio

[violet hornet]

Based mk 7 hsword enjoyer

[drowsy steppe]

think its something to do with the encoder

I use HEVC and it seems to not be playable on mobile discord?

[nimble fiber]

nah works 4 me

[prisma sigil]

Thou shalt always find me basking in the light of our beloved God Emperor!

[tame sluice]

christ the circus is in town and every clown is invited

[violet hornet]

Works for me as well but I just got a new phone

[drowsy steppe]

then idk whats happening lmao

[clever swan]

discord is cringe cuz it doesn't allow av1 videos

[heady rapids]

mf chinese new year called said they wanted your ass back

[violet hornet]

Discord needs to partner with VLC to be able to play any format, corrupted video, etc

[heady rapids]

what's the issue with the barrel crusher combo vid? plays fine for me

on both phone and pc

[clever swan]

just one person aka peet said they couldn't watch it

[violet hornet]

I've had success closing discord, waiting a few seconds, then reopening to get videos to play when broken

[heady rapids]

there's a codec option in video settings somewhere

[real sonnet]

I really hope duelling sword gets nerfed so people stop being mean about it on the forums :(

I wanna use it because I love Victor Saltzpyre...

[violet hornet]

I hope it gets nerfed so those fuckers stop killing ogryns before I can thammer them

[clever swan]

the fact discord supports av1 for streams but not for videos is weird. to a degree av1 media support would sorta save them money too

[frosty herald]

this dude has been hanging here since infinite wealth

[carmine falcon]

how's the demo 🔥

gonna wait for full release

[frosty herald]

Its peak

[carmine falcon]

all hail RGG

cant wait to air dash air combo 360 no scope bunch of goons

[frosty herald]

Ive already discovered that blade bite and the legend style stab parry from 0 is back

[carmine falcon]

[frosty herald]

Also i saw what you wishlisted😌

[carmine falcon]

i wishlisted like 5 games which one

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-video-game-fishing-minigame-stellar-blade-eve-gif-144658803614256506

[carmine falcon]

stellar gyatt

game looks fun af ignoring all the goonbait aside

[clever swan]

based game

[frosty herald]

Bro aint no fucking way even the thug style neck snap is back

[carmine falcon]

i should finish my automata replay before i start majima game
i started it early this year and just stopped? even tho i was having a blast

[real sonnet]

Sorry
Kills crushers in 3 heavy headshots in less than 2s

I don't even think they could significantly nerf it without ruining it tho

Like sure you could make it deal 30% less damage against caparace, but it's gonna keep shredding them

You could remove thrust/uncanny strike, but it would still shred them

[violet hornet]

As long as it's somewhat in line with other anti carapace tools I think that's reasonable

[real sonnet]

You could reduce the finesse, but You can still use thrust/precog/uncanny to bypass that

But if they nerf it too harshly people will just go back to knife

And the same issue stands, now with knife

[violet hornet]

Yup exactly, knife still offers a lot and has better survivability

[real sonnet]

I'm glad they added duelling sword to Zealot but they should've maybe adjusted it before doing so

[heady rapids]

yeah they should nerf both knife and saber

[carmine falcon]

reginald has a good idea in mind he made a whole ass video on the poking stick

[heady rapids]

remove duellist from the game, remove all cdr talents and remove survivalist
then they can balance the game to a healthy state

[carmine falcon]

dont listen to him obese whale

[grizzled aspen]

Cdr talents need a nerf but they don't need to be removed.

[real sonnet]

Tbh I think gold toughness proved to be more of a carry thing than all that

[heady rapids]

oh yeah and remove gold toughness also

and stealth
and smite

[carmine falcon]

literally just nerf op shit instead of removing everything

[real sonnet]

Buff Loner instead

[real sonnet]

Me on my way to make vet useless on havoc

[frosty herald]

peak

[placid fiber]

dab on the haters

[real sonnet]

I think I won the game

Only remaining thing is getting the full 53rd armor...

[placid fiber]

You have every premium skin as well?!

[real sonnet]

I'm NOT paying money

[placid fiber]

[real sonnet]

I'm from a POOR ASS country 😭

[placid fiber]

dw I'm poor as well, I just am poor at handling money so when I have it I get stuff >.>'

That's how I afforded darktide to begin with x.x

[real sonnet]

I got Darktide as a gift last year

[placid fiber]

I knew I was gonna play tf out of it, and I definitely got my money's worth lol

The new penances came out so recently I just have 0 will to do them, so I don't do them

If we get a chaos wastes for darktide... I just know I'm gonna get 1000-2000+ more hours in it >.>

[flint sable]

Everything into offence 😄

[real sonnet]

Yeah 90% of my playtime in vt2 is chaos wastes

It's not 99% because versus came out and god I love VT2 versus but it's so shit in balance

[placid fiber]

versus is gonna account for 0% of my vt2 hours, I just don't like pvp >.>

[real sonnet]

That's fair, I'm just sad fatshark decided to not balance it tho

Some hero classes make the mode unplayeable and others are outright useless

[placid fiber]

Even when I win a good even matched team in pvp... it just isn't fun that I beat other players

[placid fiber]

so pretty much the base game lol

[real sonnet]

Yes but the rats don't have feelings in the base game

Players playing as rats do

Also what's meta on versus is waaaaay different than what's meta on pve

[placid fiber]

Some careers are just omega op

[real sonnet]

For example huntsman is one of the best OP versus classes, meanwhile meh/bad in pve

[placid fiber]

huntsman is my favorite kruber career >.>

but yeah it is mid compared to some of the other careers

[real sonnet]

Meanwhile Witch Hunter Captain is useless in PVP (compared to the rest of Victor careers) even tho he's one of the best at PVE :(

[placid fiber]

huntsman and battle wizard are the 2 careers I've pulled my best clutches off as

[real sonnet]

And this makes me sad since I main WHC (thus why I also love duelling sword)

[placid fiber]

whc is great, but, I never was able to get a strong feel for the career

I can see how the other 3 careers would outshine it in pvp, tho

invuln/save, free shot/crit shots/omega career shot, cheat death...

[real sonnet]

You just headshot machine in PvE due to headshot scaling

That's the gist of it basically

[placid fiber]

my weakest ability: aiming...

[carmine falcon]

fellas is this the "Dredd" zealot headgear i see people shilling

[placid fiber]

I think so

[carmine falcon]

i thought there might be another one cause this is kinda meh

[placid fiber]

there might be

[golden rain]

Aiming for headshots in VT2 is not even a challenge, honestly, except only two Specials and the Minotaur

[real sonnet]

And funnily enough it's easier in darltide

[golden rain]

Outside of bullshit hit registration and server netcode getting fucked at times, yeah, it very much is even easier.

[tight fog]

there is another one, theyre super similar tho. one is a bit more red and the other is more silver

[heady rapids]

https://youtu.be/Fakn_RqaarI

https://tenor.com/view/car-car-garn47-garn47-garn47-car-gif-16066851552562818154

[remote lark]

who ping me... un ping me right now..

[grizzled aspen]

@remote lark get pinged idiot.

[plucky gate]

wasn't me

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah @remote lark it @remote lark totally @remote lark wasn't @remote lark me @remote lark either.

[sullen forge]

Piss yourself

[sterile stone]

There's a red and black version

Same with an accompanying armor that I don't think that ever released

[naive stirrup]

ping

[carmine falcon]

yep checked the cosmetic guide to see all the varients
i might get it even tho i hate the store model so much
it looks nice with the full plate armor....

yay or nay

[solar gorge]

the moustache is ruining ur swag

[carmine falcon]

its pure swag tho

[naive stirrup]

giant beard to sell it

[carmine falcon]

good idea actually

[solar gorge]

don't listen to this

[carmine falcon]

ill cook something

[hexed igloo]

Rock and stone?

[naive stirrup]

ROCK AND STONE!!!

[hexed igloo]

The casino dealer when I pull the 165 of clubs

[naive stirrup]

[carmine falcon]

the clipping

[naive stirrup]

it's goofy but funny

[carmine falcon]

i like how most facial hair just crumbles with most cosmetics

[naive stirrup]

[carmine falcon]

other beards have less clipping but they just dont mesh well with the headgear lmao ill go back to the epic stache

[polar nexus]

that beard is too mighty

[real sonnet]

A 9 year old vietnamese child on my flight was watching me play psyker and did this every 30 seconds trying to understand it

[clever swan]

he was just super immersed and felt the peril building in his own mind

[violet hornet]

Got that mandelbrot of clubs

[placid fiber]

Ah, nice, the casual 161

[violet hornet]

No math nerds in here

[placid fiber]

If only it was 169, then it would have been 13 squared :3

[clever swan]

https://tenor.com/view/chat-gif-21339216

[pale spindle]

Chat is always dead 😔

[misty nova]

On lights of recent news

[heady rapids]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1iotojt/trash_because_no_keystones/

people in comments suggesting to drop backstab cdr LMAO

[misty nova]

It was a fun game ngl
But the remaster trailer kinda underwhelming

[heady rapids]

oh i didnt read the title of that post nvm
that guy is also a gem
"zealot keystones are mid"

[small edge]

can anyone help me with the "just a flesh wound " penance

[undone pewter]

?

[heady rapids]

yeah i think he went wrong somewhere

[mighty root]

Me when I’m stupid

[carmine falcon]

is deathbow and headtaker the META TM for HSword?

[heady rapids]

ye

[mighty root]

Dude if I had blazing piety on purg psyker

Bp is so good it just free crit chance

[carmine falcon]

gonna play with hswords and chain axes a bit

[heady rapids]

darktide reddit is something else..........................

[spare talon]

people saying that non keystone build on zealot are valid

[undone pewter]

Very bad very angry players

[spare talon]

when zealot keystones are stupidly good for no cost at all

[mighty root]

They’re so good…

[heady rapids]

me when i get stupidly massive bonuses for just playing the game!!!!!!

[mighty root]

They can hard carry anything…

[heady rapids]

NOT YOU MARTYRDOM

[spare talon]

martyrdom is the only one that requires actual investment but its benefits are pretty ridiculous too

[mighty root]

For honor Reddit and goobisoft ruined my favorite game

[heady rapids]

the drawbacks are also there tbh

[mighty root]

I hope they never listen to Reddit

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-reddit-forum-reddit-resistance-resist-resistance-gif-20129760

[mighty root]

God I hate for honor Reddit

[uneven galleon]

I feel like sometimes reddit darktide is genuinely out of touch sometimes

[undone pewter]

"This is why you can't beat above havoc 20"

[mighty root]

For honor Reddit makes me ill

[heady rapids]

people telling me im wrong are elitist bitches and can fuck off
nuff said

[mighty root]

Orgyn

Me when I’m an elitist for knowing how to build zealot

[heady rapids]

here chat check out my caxe build

[mighty root]

Peak?

Celine type axe

[undone pewter]

Elitism of reading what my talents do lmfaoooo

[uneven galleon]

This feels malice-coded

[violet relic]

i’m a relatively new player that mains zealot what are some good builds. i tried looking at the reddit but couldn’t really find any builds that weren’t a year old. i’m focusing down the left side but i saw that’s not really a good plan. any help would be appreciated

[heady rapids]

NEVER LOOK ON REDDIT

[mighty root]

Tbh I don’t mind the backstabber point tax it helps me solo deamonhosts

[carmine falcon]

you know your post is bad when even redditors shit on it

[mighty root]

Please never look on Reddit or any “popular” gameslantern build

They will set you up for failure

[heady rapids]

chat did i cook

[violet relic]

yeah all i saw on reddit was people linking that website. builds from game websites tend to be pretty bad

[uneven galleon]

Zealot lobotomy

[heady rapids]

i tried avoiding all the good talents as much as i could

[mighty root]

Zealot really has 2 to 3 builds I’ll try to give a more new player friendly one to you

[heady rapids]

i think if you compare it side by side with the meta zealot build it would fill all the gaps LMAO

[spare talon]

do i need to link my bestest build

[heady rapids]

if you nodemaxxed it doesnt count.............

[spare talon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aafd02e-2d1f-444f-8d9e-e12295da65c1/the-bestest-most-powerfulest-build-ever

[red spindle]

could be a lot better. have you tried not taking any talents below the ultimate nodes? they don't do much anyways

[violet relic]

thank you man !

[mighty root]

@violet relic do you want crit or better dodges?

[heady rapids]

nah mine is better
yours has good tdr talents and a good nade

[heady rapids]

THAT'S THE POINT THE BOOK MODIFIERS ARE BAD

[red spindle]

no i mean like the ones in between the combat ability and the keystones

[violet relic]

i was thinking crit cause i saw the perk “invocation of death” that boosts cd regeneration by 200%

[mighty root]

Zealots main dps comes from dodging and crit so you can’t go wrong @violet relic

[heady rapids]

ah you mean the little nodes
that wouldnt be as fun tho would it

[mighty root]

Alright one moment

[mighty root]

20% damage is cool

[heady rapids]

the thing i showed is more like an elegant dance trying to avoid anything even REMOTELY decent

[red spindle]

those nodes at the top are so good you should just take all of them

[heady rapids]

at least half of those are actually good tho

[red spindle]

that wasn't even my own build lol i just saw someone running that in damnation a few weeks ago and it's been stuck in my mind ever since

[heady rapids]

i got a better one then
gimme one sec

almost cooked with this one
being able to see ppl's builds is a curse

[remote lark]

[red spindle]

may i steal this and bring it into havoc lobbies that i find on the in-game party finder? thanks

[clever swan]

darktide builds are protected by strict IP law, after all

[spare talon]

the gay pings

[carmine falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/beautiful-whoa-lord-of-the-rings-gif-19620923

its......beautiful

[obsidian prairie]

I still think this could be improved

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-floyd-cover-universe-animation-gif-15330790064699233994

[obsidian prairie]

17% crit on tac axe could actually provide some level of ED uptime

Pathing stuns would get less useful talents

[mighty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d6c1993-36c1-416c-9c9b-c15fd3091faf/terrible-zealot-build @violet relic you can drop the blazing piety keystone modifiers for the left one called stalwart and get the talent call good balance right beside thy wrath be swift

[heady rapids]

piety axe AND recommending zarona in this age??????????? are you a madman

[mighty root]

Revolver > bolt pistol

[heady rapids]

mods hang him

[spare talon]

piety and rashad
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277023294108864619/1339301438190391397/birdattack.mov?ex=67af8aa9&is=67ae3929&hm=9587cfcf3d7252904adfdd1fdbb7691966bb15da4b5039d1b2aa153f112c708c&

[mighty root]

[heady rapids]

im pretty sure this zarona doesnt even have a crusher 2 tap breakpoint

[mighty root]

What’s with with peity axe?

I must gain further insight

[mighty root]

Oh my gah an essay

[heady rapids]

pretty sure they're typing out a spell to banish you

[mighty root]

[heady rapids]

i recommend saying your goodbyes

[stone fern]

queue in with a level 29 ogryn in auric
"hehe guies dont worry xd"
its ok my guy im sure youll do fine

[mighty root]

@stone fern goodbye…..

[stone fern]

i saw his wound curio and i dodged tbh

[mighty root]

Real

[stone fern]

i fully believed in him until i saw the wound

[spare talon]

misses BM breakpoints that IJ gives you unless you hit a crit
the crit damage isnt too special because of how low the finesse stat is compared other finesse weapons
and has no way to benefit from scourge outside of bosses because individual enemies die too fast, and you can make use of it anyway without piety due to fotf force proccing scourge
like you are sacrificing consistent one shot BMs for a chance at it happening

[mighty root]

I see so swap it for ij?

[stone fern]

no marty

[spare talon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d54302e-22b7-47b6-8ed6-8c6441a2bf97/im-so-full-of-5-kills-per-swing-yum

[misty nova]

What's is that title 😭

[mighty root]

No cooldown on crit?

[spare talon]

have you not seen my other builds
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/user/epiccole

[spare talon]

not needed
its not a crit build

[copper hawk]

Noob

[grizzled aspen]

"Pickles."

[spare talon]

i fully expect iod to get a nerf in the future tbh
zealot is so stacked into crit

[mighty root]

[spare talon]

if you cant play zealot without a crit build idk what to tell you man
thats one helluva crutch

[mighty root]

Why did I’m think of that im such a noob

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/black-ops-woods-cod-gif-17392574626699745990

[heady rapids]

you're using zarona in 2025 idk if i can say who you are without getting banned.............

[placid fiber]

What are you doing to that creature, Cole?!

[mighty root]

I mean I understand it I run ij with my axe

[clever swan]

burrato

or maybe rat healthcare

[spare talon]

duellist
enduring faith
fotf every 10s
oh and a keystone that forces it on every weapon, literally fucking what

[copper hawk]

My builds r cooler

[mighty root]

Zealot doesn’t need anymore nerfs we need harder content

[frosty herald]

this is why we need a zealot rework for more build diversity

[heady rapids]

what if zealot instead got
a keystone for chaining heavies
a keystone that only gives you dr
and a keystone that has a ranged focus but is actually kinda bad

[spare talon]

zealot is arguably the most consistently good class

insane dr
insane regen
insane damage
insane weapons

[carmine falcon]

never nerf my crit zealot just add more variety thx

[long oasis]

zealot purples are kinda boring

[mighty root]

I mean purg psyker Is good until you got like no enemies around you and a trash and elite gunner

[heady rapids]

if you want fun go play psyker
this is a certified no having fun zone

[spare talon]

harder content came out then everyone swapped to zealot for chorus with crit cdr and trivialized it

[obsidian prairie]

Won the Rattay Tourney last night

[mighty root]

The vermintide 2 scenario

[long oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-angry-gif-23442156

[obsidian prairie]

Think I actually got good at this game

[drowsy steppe]

realing and trueing

[carmine falcon]

use op shit
game is easy

[copper hawk]

Better dr on vet
Better regen (ult and tness) on vet
Better damage on vet (2 shot crushers w rashad, 6 hits required for a min maxxed damage zealot)
Better weapons (Shovel stuns mutants on special, plasma, crits with wpn spec)

[hexed igloo]

don't play the game
the game is actually easy guys

[copper hawk]

Vet has a node that's only two away that gives you stacking tdr on headshot for 5 seconds (10%) and 15 toughness for a headshot (up to 45%)

[mighty root]

We need death wish

[hexed igloo]

uninstall game
visit games discord
reply to every complaint with "skill issue"
bask in the seething

[copper hawk]

Vet has EWEW except it gives you 8 toughness instead of 2.5

[mighty root]

8 billion ragers

[heady rapids]

we do not need fucking death wish i dont want to see 8k hp maulers

[misty nova]

I've only seen Orckas

[solar gorge]

I do this except I play the game and I'm genuinely better

[copper hawk]

Vet can two shot crushers w the rashad combat axe with only two talents and hter w wpn spec

[hexed igloo]

They should make the poxwalkers 2 shot

[mighty root]

[hexed igloo]

I don't play the game and I know I'm better than half the people here 💀

[copper hawk]

All if vets tness regen nodes are better than all if ours except second wind

They get 30% tdr for headshots bro on ANY enemy with ANY weapon

[mighty root]

The 9999k scab captain

[copper hawk]

Their ult recharge has no internal cooldown timer, it can trigger as many times as you kill elites/specials

[heady rapids]

smite is darktide's hacker deck

[copper hawk]

It's almost equivalent to pre-nerf IoD where so long as you crit enough enemies you'd get ur ult back

Why they didnt do exactly w TA they did w IoD is beyond me

Kill elite/spec, 200% faster cooldown for 5 seconds

[heady rapids]

wanna know why? look up when they first nerfed the power sword and line it up with the game's negative reviews chart

[copper hawk]

Nah just kill 6 elites/specs and the best ult in the game is recharged

[spare talon]

vet only has stun immunity when toughness breaks with a talent
vet cant literally survive death
vet can stack into ridiculous damage at the cost of everything else (youre referencing azreals clips which stacks all damage no survivability)
crits with weapon spec is a moot point because thats a playstyle exclusive to vet, plasma is already something we know is going to be gutted, shovel being the pinnacle of "better weapons" because it has a force stagger that many other weapons has (taxe, duelling sword) is reaching for straws, comparatively we have crusher and flamer which out of the box are insane

[spare talon]

its exclusively specialists
im not gonna lie, not knowing how the talents youre arguing about actually work isnt helping your point

[undone pewter]

I was gonna say I feel we're running out of points if we're tossing mk1 shovel into teh mix

[spare talon]

yes situational awareness is stupidly insane, but so is IoD
SA has higher peaks of regen, but if someone kills the specialist before you, you dont get anything and could get 0 regen from the talent for a long period
meanwhile IoD just works literally all the time

yes vet is insane but their insane peaks could be taken from them depending on the situation
part of how insane zealot is is because their peaks happen all of the time with 0 effort, they are extremely consistent and the amount of value they get for it is huge

[copper hawk]

What about a keystone getting gutted makes it a moot point to compare? I judge the game based on what it is right now. We don't know it's getting gutted. This makes no logical sense. "We dont talk about RiB cuz it's getting gutted, doesn't count." ???

The shovel is a better taxe for killing a bunch of weapons. I'm not "grasping at straws". Plasma. Rashad is better on Vet. Laspistol. Bolter. All blitzes. Dueling sword. They have access to a bunch of weapons that are all great. They have no weapons like the eviscerator. The crusher is only capable of the damage it does because of skullcrusher and the flamer. The crusher and flamer is reaching for straws, comparatively they have plasma which out of the box is insane.

[spare talon]

and im not saying "see vet isnt op guys"
im saying its extremely disingenuous to say that zealot isnt OP in certain aspects because another class can be better at it some of the time

[spare talon]

no idea where you got me saying weapon spec would be gutted? i was referring to plasma

[frosty herald]

I wonder if fatshark has a heatmap for skilltrees

[copper hawk]

They have objective better tness regen. They had double buff nodes in abundance (nodes that provide two simultaneous buffs). They have better acces to tdr (tdr on headshot? That stacks? On the ranged class?) Passive tdr and tness for doing nothing, that you pointed out yourself. In fact, younused that exact verbage; "tdr for doing nothing".

[clever swan]

considering they could tell how often different voice lines played (iirc) i would go with almost certainly

[heady rapids]

they probably do but uh
it probably would not help a lot

[placid fiber]

Things are on fire, ever since I came back lol

[frosty herald]

It would be a good starting point to look at things related to class balance

[heady rapids]

loner nerfs incoming

[placid fiber]

I showed lumi how easy it was to 1 shot damnation plague ogryns, earlier today

[spare talon]

yes i did say they get TDR for doing nothing
but they dont get toughness regen for doing nothing (not counting base cooldown voc, regen there also requires killing specific enemies which would be doing something)

zealot has both with enduring faith, second wind, and good balance

[copper hawk]

You didn't address TA either. Zealot has been in a neglected spot for a while and is significantly worse than Psyker or Veteran in nearly every way. Worse access to tness regen, worse damage, worse tdr... you yourself have complained about the damage both classes do. This exacerbates the state that Ogryn is in, which I agree that they're fucked, but I don't understand this need to constantly recontextualize that Zealot is "generally the best" at anything, let alone the most "consistent".

[clever swan]

forget about zodiac signs, religion, worldview, politics, and favorite color: all that matters is your answer to the Zealot Question

[copper hawk]

Fudd mentality? Need to self flagellate? A feeling of being uniquely qualified to say these things as someone who primarily playes Zealot?

[violet hornet]

we need lore accurate ogryn melee that 1 hits all non-boss / ogryn targets

[frosty herald]

Ngl it does take some setup and a specific angle also a boss backstab which can be tricky

[violet hornet]

Let ogryns throw mutants off the map

[placid fiber]

it takes 6 marty stacks and 1 headtaker/sustained stack

[solar gorge]

the only thing we need is friendly fire, stop with the goofy suggestions, get serious please

[clever swan]

difficulty 6 and above can have friendly fire

[placid fiber]

@frosty herald :3

[copper hawk]

It's unhealthy for the game, and its classes, to think these ways. It's obvious to everyone, and you yourself have bemoaned Veteran before, that Zealot is in a rough spot. We literally have a joke about our lack of build diversity in the "Zealot Christmas tree".

[frosty herald]

Yeah i know i saw the vid

[placid fiber]

Without the 20% backstab damage it takes a hell of a lot more set up to kill them in 1 shot, tho

[copper hawk]

Oops meant plasma teehee, but still stands - even moreso, since I've been told by other playtesters and individuals in closer contact with developers that another weapon nerf for veteran "isn't in the cards" due to the political nature of the PSword review bomb. It's bad for business.

[delicate shadow]

I think nerfs are still absolutely possible, they just need to be packaged in a way that it's not only nerfs happening

[copper hawk]

Yes they do. There's literally a talent for it above Executioner's Stance. It's catch your breath. If their tness is above 75% they have a flat 50% tdr (different talent, Iron Will). That's doing nothing.

[spare talon]

literally
when has that talent ever been useful

[copper hawk]

It's the better talent of the two. When has EWEW been useful?

[spare talon]

how often above malice do you need toughness regen when nothing is near you

[violet hornet]

iirc this was a big issue with the power sword nerf since they didn't have any new toys or a proportionate buff to an underused weapon

[copper hawk]

It's free 8% toughness a second for being disengaged. It rewards you for not participating.

[royal vortex]

we must consult the history books

[spare talon]

it suffers due to its positioning in the tree, but the talent itself is much better than catch a breath

[copper hawk]

It's better than the MELEE CLASS'S bugged 2.5% toughness only when 3 enemies are around you.

[royal vortex]

on a journey to the time before patch 13

[placid fiber]

Remember when it was 8%/sec regen? good times

[delicate shadow]

pretty much this. So much of balancing reception is built on marketing, for better or worse

[copper hawk]

It gives you less toughness than a "be present" throw away talent.

[heady rapids]

meanwhile ogryn getting 11%/sec regen for holding rmb... warrants a nerf methinks

[drowsy steppe]

aaah the days of 322223

[copper hawk]

You are given less toughness in combat than another class for being out of combat. On the melee combat class.

[spare talon]

now think of it this way
why would you need toughness regen out of combat?
when?
what purpose does that serve?

[royal vortex]

sometimes u gotta stand in fire

[copper hawk]

Path mentioned a way to change Zealot's tness options to be a bit more balanced that I wholeheartedly agreed with; bring the tness talent nodes further to the top, and hand out more tness from second wind to the other talents.

[solar gorge]

to protect u from the spooky ghosts

[placid fiber]

shooters

[drowsy steppe]

Im toughness maxxing

[royal vortex]

111111

[spare talon]

a talent that gives you +100% melee damage when 10m away from enemies is functionally useless since its stupidly powerful effect is useless in situations when youd want to use it

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-spy-meet-the-team-scout-gif-4006268657534419050

[spare talon]

thats functionally what catch a breath is doing

[heady rapids]

is demo team still named demo team

[delicate shadow]

the key problem with zealot toughness gen is that second wind is by far and away the dominant choice, especially since you can path through the DR nodes and bleed node on the way.

if the top paths were made a little more diverse and the toughness gen spread out more it'd be fine, even if overall gen doesn't increase

[placid fiber]

I mean... if the shooters are 8m away... you can regen while you are shooting them...

[undone pewter]

yeah

[stone fern]

knowing darktide math it only counts 10m on the same level as you so you can nuke bosses from above the steps or smthin

[heady rapids]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533050129700356106/1150786451487858839/attachment.gif

[placid fiber]

I got nothing else, this is all I can add to the argument

[spare talon]

but the shooters arent the only things that exist
there are melee enemies active almost all the time above malice, and they will always be closing distance
its very rare for an enemy, any enemy to not be within 8m of you

[stone fern]

are we talking about the toughness regen slop?

[undone pewter]

you also got demo stockpile

[placid fiber]

True, you just asked for when it would be helping you. Not how often.

[stone fern]

yeah that talent is ass

[placid fiber]

Both talents above the ammo regen aura are ass

[spare talon]

no its the fact that im saying zealot is overtuned in overall consistency which is somehow an insane statement because vet is also overpowered and the two things cannot be true at the same time apparently

[undone pewter]

Why are we talking about catch a breath when iron will surely would be the stronger source of TDR?

[heady rapids]

im pretty sure stun immunity is very far away from being ass

[frosty herald]

i believe that psyker and vet both have a mostly perfect skilltree if vet's were trimmed in someway

[copper hawk]

I'm not talking about tness regen out of combat in the blanket variety. We all understand that tness out of combat is supposed to restore you sooner between firefights. I'm talking about being in a firefight and getting 8% tness a second for doing fuck all. 8% tness a second with a away from enemies stipulation. You're rewarded for not participating. Whether or not if it's useful, like you said, is subjective - what is objective is that a similar talent exists, Enemies Within/Enemies Without, which simultaneously is bugged and provides you less toughness over all regenerated while in melee. I'm pointing out that the statement, "they don't have toughness for doing nothing" is false, than that it's better than toughness for doing something, being in combat, that we have as an over all point against the "we're generally best class for consistency".

[spare talon]

iron will isnt regen

[undone pewter]

Oh yeah we were talking about toughness regen carry on

[delicate shadow]

the thing with catch a breath is very low uptime combined with the fact vet's gonna gen better from his other options anyway

[royal vortex]

the only way to win a darktide balance discussion is to post random nonsense and disappear for months at a time

[undone pewter]

they should put demo stockpile above the blitz choices

[stone fern]

i know nothing about vet i can not contribute carry on

[placid fiber]

It's useful... like... 0.1% of the time

[stone fern]

see u in 2 months

[spare talon]

you are still comparing 2 talents that very few people take on most builds as a measure of the classes consistency

[copper hawk]

Our consistency, if you'd like to call it that, isn't consistency in the general sense - it's stagnation. We have the exact same builds with slightly different flavors.

[placid fiber]

See you in 2026, Josho. o7

[past sierra]

ogryn too is overtuned

[undone pewter]

which way western man
catch your breath which isn't very good or get back in the fight which also isn't very good

[copper hawk]

Blitz regen for nothing vs Holy Rev

[frosty herald]

i do think the skill of the overall playerbase should be considered when balancing classes

[spare talon]

catch your breath has saved me many much hp in havoc

[copper hawk]

I wonderz ,,

[stone fern]

nerf heavy hitter and fnp buff point blank barrage

[heady rapids]

get back in the fight has higher potential of saving your ass

[delicate shadow]

then we're balancing around malice/heresy players

[undone pewter]

It's saved me too it's still niche though imo

[copper hawk]

Except it's worthless? Guh ?? U just said who even takes it

[spare talon]

oh i meant
the other one

[royal vortex]

nade regen with tinkerer smokes. be the problem.

[placid fiber]

If everything was balanced around the peak of the playerbase they would need to omega nerf everything... if everything was based around the lowest of the low everything would need to be omega buffed... You gotta go inbetween, like you put it

[spare talon]

get back in the fight
the no stun one

[delicate shadow]

that'd be a different argument entirely

[frosty herald]

if vet gets a powerfist i will make a deticated melee grenade build for vet with kraks

[undone pewter]

I hope so

[copper hawk]

They dont take EWEW because it sucks. Second Wind is better - and we never defined what consistency is. Is consistency overall winrate? Is consistency the same build over and over? Is consistency general subjective experience over time?

[drowsy steppe]

Wrong.

I will not elaborate

[delicate shadow]

like we should be honest here, all the things zealot "has to do" are things you're going to be doing 24/7 in your natural gameplay loop unless you're just getting pancaked as soon as the game starts

[past sierra]

at least noobs will not rely on crutches in order to win and gotta learn the game

[solar gorge]

if only fatshak would see the light and let ME balance the game

[heady rapids]

no they will actually review bomb the game and then fatshark has to close the studio

[past sierra]

yes

[frosty herald]

exactly its impossible to balance a game just for the top players like dorn cole combine lillian etc etc but it would also be impossible to balance a game for the lowest nominators like dads in their 40s chilling on sedition malice

[delicate shadow]

well you don't balance around a playerbase unless you're balancing for a specific mode a la havoc 40

[heady rapids]

how do i balance it for someone who's shit at the game but thinks he's entitled to playing the highest diff

[past sierra]

better balance around top players
so everyone must become top player too

[delicate shadow]

otherwise you pick a difficulty and balance around that

[heady rapids]

maybe i should just shoot him with a gun idk

[undone pewter]

you buff all the weapons in the game and-
Ohh this is helldivers

[drowsy steppe]

they should balance the game around low intensity modifiers fr

[placid fiber]

I think it should be the same for balancing around content. If you balance everything around sedition it will all suck, if you balance everything around havoc 40 you will roflstomp auric and below

[violet hornet]

balance ogryn around kickback

[royal vortex]

no nerfs, only buffs. i work 200 hours a week with 12 children and have 15 seconds a day to play games

[spare talon]

and "zealots builds are all the same" is an issue, heavily tied to how consistently good the chosen talents in the same builds are
second wind is singlehandedly the best toughness generation talent in the game, because it is a consistently high amount of toughness, that is consistently procced because its condition is one of the most commonly filled in every situation, it doesnt require enemies to be near, it doesnt require enemies to be killed in a specific way, or at all, it just happens, it is the epitome of consistency

confirmed kill is an insane amount of toughness, but you may not always be able to fulfill its condition of elite kills, either because none spawned (or youre fighting a boss), or you never landed the final blow on them, in which case it gave you 0 value (second wind would still work in these situations even if youre never even getting a single kill)

[copper hawk]

I only bring it up because Cole rebuked me with "we literally can't die" as our class being generally better off, and I'd rate a free grenade along the same lines as with Holy Rev due to how useful grenades are on vet - also note they broke Holy Rev into two nodes that u have to take together or ur significantly worse off and vet can just take the node

[heady rapids]

Helldivers playerbase forgetting what EXPERIENCE means and always making the same posts about game being too easy

[delicate shadow]

and generally speaking I'd say damnation and maybe auric damn are the best baseline

[violet hornet]

continuous ragdoll endgame in darktide when, fs?

[undone pewter]

then arrowhead nerfs something and you get posts on the subreddit like
"We need to burn the arrowhead offices down for this BETRAYAL"

[placid fiber]

We have to kind of understand that we are in the minority

[fleet zealot]

i went digging

[past sierra]

high intensity shock troop gauntlet damnation good baseline

[solar gorge]

idk, feel like you need to aim above that now

the auric board isn't really impressive

[drowsy steppe]

nah dont balance the game around Havoc 40s 💀

I heavily dislike havoc

[placid fiber]

no disdain smh my head

[delicate shadow]

I mean you're not gonna balance around Havoc since that'd make the game more powercrept than it already is

[past sierra]

good idea for a tattoo

[undone pewter]

I don't think theyll ever do that it's like balancing VT2 for modded twitch cata

[violet relic]

thanks for the build ! not max level yet but i tried it out and it feels much better than the build i was running. i jsut have a question are chain swords bad or something? im using the heavy eviscerator and it feels nice but no one seems to recommend it

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/digging-thank-you-gif-8141656698417804254

[heady rapids]

NOOOOOOOOO HE USED THE PIETY AXE BUILD

[fleet zealot]

found a 4070 refurbish, my costco was picked clean

[drowsy steppe]

auric damn I say is still the most balanced high level content top players can play.

[solar gorge]

hi stg or no

[fleet zealot]

they said no new pcs till school is out for the summer

[copper hawk]

They're consistently picked because all the other talents are worthless. The consistency is the result of stagnation. We travel the same path because every other one is a pitfall of dogshit. This isn't a strength, this is a tremendous weakness. I don't understand how the lack of other good talents being in our tree makes our class generally "consistently" better. A comparative statement would be that you should be grateful that you have one road to school, since it's so well paved - when you take the rest of the roads out of the picture, this may be true, but with the context that every other road is a crumbling disaster it makes it obvious that this well-paved road isn't the result from consistent reliability but the lack thereof - neglect in the other roads - making the one road stand out above the rest. It's selection bias.

[clever swan]

so you gonna build your own pc now?

[past sierra]

maelstorms or havoc 40
but some maelstorms sometimes feel just boring cause boring combos

[solar gorge]

actually idk what to thing about stg since so many thing procs with specialist kills

[violet hornet]

evi is fun but it's not the best in any niche, even as a generalist weapon

[fleet zealot]

no lol i'm lazy

[heady rapids]

there's also xiiig...

[delicate shadow]

modded realm has its own balance mods but that only works because modded is siloed from the rest of the playerbase so you can have purpose-built balance for specific modes

[misty nova]

Wrong
Ice

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1334710158525202443/99vpAu6.gif

[solar gorge]

i haven't played a auric match in so long i'm stuck on my Ironman nuzlocke send help

[delicate shadow]

u wot, building a PC takes no time at all

[undone pewter]

how's that going

[copper hawk]

Furthermore, Vet has all of their tness regen nodes at the top of their trees, we have a 4 point tax each way for them all, that are both double buffs (two benefits, one node). Iron Will is constantly proc'd, further down the tree, and we need a crit for our tdr. They have tdr and tness on demand by pressing a button on any enemy's head. A competitive talent would be Vicious Offering, which provides no tdr and significantly less tness for pressing a button and killing an enemy. It also doesn't stack.

[frozen kernel]

New no man’s sky expedition just dropped then MH wilds soon™

[fleet zealot]

and very insecure about my own skills and shaky hands

[past sierra]

evis xv is good

[violet hornet]

I didn't say it wasn't, I just said there are better weapons for any niche you consider

[heady rapids]

is it not best tho? i'd say it's pretty close in boss killing

[frozen kernel]

Darktide cannot get a finger on me atm

[copper hawk]

This is what I would argue is "consistently good". No matter what direction you go with your tness talents when going along the tree they all are "consistently" useful.

[violet hornet]

Also MK 15 is boring asf to use imo

[jagged cradle]

Cica Cica ! Important question

[drowsy steppe]

auric damns just offer more gameplay variety than havoc 40s will. And yes Im aware you can complete havoc 40s with grey weapons and all that gimmicky jazz but you wont find a random party willing to do that unless you already know each other

[copper hawk]

EWEW isn't "consistently" good. Neither is Vicious Slice - they're consistently bad, which is why we take the same build over and over. Again, selection bias.

[fleet zealot]

okay okay

[placid fiber]

Bam, get hatted

[past sierra]

i never completed h40 with grey weapons

[copper hawk]

Henlo wut up

[clever swan]

just gotta believe in yourself

[fleet zealot]

hold your horbos, EWEW is nowhere near vicious slice

[drowsy steppe]

neither am I.

[jagged cradle]

Are you free this weekend

[drowsy steppe]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1f91f013de474d254f1313d6041cfbaa/8a9686a562770062-7e/s540x810/16bfefac989619fb49e913b21f6cc91ee986ba7e.gif

[copper hawk]

No i work another 7 days straight

[jagged cradle]

That sucks!

[fleet zealot]

EWEW does have uses, it just too nerfed and on a bad path, if it was on right side it would be amazing, it could easily replace blood redemption and it would be a buff for non crit throwing knives

[placid fiber]

something something "save me white woman" something something

[past sierra]

what you say its true but honestly nobody forbids people to use non meta builds in h40
its actually way more fun

[drowsy steppe]

white girl save me

[placid fiber]

oh, white girl lol

[jagged cradle]

Do you have to work?

[spare talon]

a 4 point talent tax to reach them isnt true at all, both classes have access to a regen talent at 2 talents
ewew/exhil takedown on the left
FoF/confirmed kill in the middle (this is a shit comparison cuz this talent is very bad but still is a true statement, vet also has an aura related node here thats even worse tho)
blood redemption/out for blood on the right

[royal vortex]

there should be a havoc 41 where all weapons (except powersword) are reverted to their release state so you can play old crusher and spam special l1 on everything

[heady rapids]

ince when is confirmed kill bad???????????????????????

[solar gorge]

peak

[fleet zealot]

it stops you from being at 0 toughness as often, meaning you can get chipped from range and aoes without taking anywhere near as much hp damage

[placid fiber]

Old Thammer...

[spare talon]

i meant FoF

[heady rapids]

whats fof again

[fleet zealot]

if it say, got buffed halfway between it's peak 8% per second and the value now it would be BUSTED

[placid fiber]

fleas on fairies

[solar gorge]

old evis, the original abysmal dogshit

[spare talon]

the +coherency regen node

[heady rapids]

ah

[spare talon]

which is just not good
but for all intents and purposes, is a toughness node

[drowsy steppe]

yea but you rarely find someone who do because the objective when doing havoc 40 when you join a random party vs a premade is focused on using stuff that gives higher chances of success.

[misty nova]

Old hammer only

[heady rapids]

finished severance s1
very cool i think y'all should watch it

[violet hornet]

old chord doing literally nothing

[drowsy steppe]

mmm I love long self stun after hammering dudes

[fleet zealot]

old chain axe

[royal vortex]

severance is the shit

[past sierra]

it could improved a bit

[placid fiber]

and having to light attack for horde clear...

[placid fiber]

6

[drowsy steppe]

Vet is op fr

[spare talon]

YOU ARE TAKING 2 TOUGHNESS NODES PER BRANCH ON THE ZEALOT TREE THERE

[copper hawk]

That's why i said all of them

[royal vortex]

THIS IS A LIBRARY. PLEASE USE YOUR INSIDE VOICE

[copper hawk]

The quality thereof i already established; they're dogshit - to get all the dogshit nodes you have to get 8, for all the nodes for veteran you only need 6

[past sierra]

yea
pubs will be like that
and also being against certain archetypes for no reason
but havoc always been a game mode oriented for premades
but obv can still do pubs

[placid fiber]

Saved lol

[heady rapids]

racist people

[past sierra]

yea

[violet hornet]

cica and cole definitely engaging in some kind of foreplay

[spare talon]

im gonna be honest
i simply think that second wind has spoiled your perception of toughness talents

[past sierra]

ima be real

[delicate shadow]

excuse me shadowheart is turkish ☝️ 🇹🇷 🐺

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-guy-turk-chad-fast-buff-gif-17075645

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/turk-my-reaction-honest-reaction-turkiye-turkish-gif-26917885

[royal vortex]

aren't we all

[violet hornet]

save me paprika woman

[hard nexus]

drama in my zealot chat!

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/damono-damonoland-keydamono-gif-24715005

[delicate shadow]

glorious turkish ancestry

[copper hawk]

My statement was ALL the tness regen nodes. This doesn't acknowledge that each side of the tree locks you into a grenade on Zealot, which Vet doesn't have but I digress, take 8 to get to whereas it's six with Vet. We're the only class like this. Although this is beyond our original discussion point a ways so idk

[drowsy steppe]

shes white by her ancestry through her mother

the mother is an honorary aryan

[placid fiber]

turkish meow @hard nexus

[fleet zealot]

someone made this for ttrpg day (I'm Ell) and i still don't remember what it means lol

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/turkish-wolf-twrp-hope-hope-band-turkish-gif-2743786145198771280

[violet hornet]

#zealot-class message

[fleet zealot]

but i might as well share it

[placid fiber]

Cheese? :3

[past sierra]

long live evis mk 3

[royal vortex]

chain weapons are just radioactive

[clever swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/913477506500292688/1237988830452256798/DuyFSlUx.gif
dis chat

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpsons-radioactive-nuclear-gif-23772553

[spare talon]

the whole tree structure thing is just gonna go back into the whole "whos gotten their reworks" thing which zealot has had the least structural changes cuz they are the least in need of them comparatively to the other classes before they get/have gotten theirs

[delicate shadow]

bah I can't find it now but there's an old reddit post of someone laying out an actual argument for why all selunites are turks lmao

ofc it was all grounded on the moon and wolf stuff. Plus Aylin being a turkish name

[violet hornet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288198375765835799/1323754208666587146/darktideFreaks.gif

[drowsy steppe]

omg I think I remember this, I think from okbuddy lmao

[ebon bobcat]

Zealot chat*

[delicate shadow]

YEAH

I can't bloody find it now but shit had me rolling

[drowsy steppe]

inshallah our glorious archduke Sultan Enver Gortash bring prosperity to Baldur's Gate Istanbul

[spare talon]

im so deep into the brainrot that my first thought was "which one" because i look at many okbuddies

[delicate shadow]

ngl seeing his name for the first time did give me whiplash

[past sierra]

peak

[drowsy steppe]

funny cuz Gortash is literally a name he took for himself. His original name is Enver Flymm

[delicate shadow]

YEA

I mean if my surname was Flymm I'd change it too

[fleet zealot]

Flymm

[placid fiber]

nice wallhanger

[placid fiber]

those are words indeed

[royal vortex]

you guys know how hunt showdown had a post malone collab? we should get that with darktide but with dwayne johnson

[hexed igloo]

Should have a darktide/fortnite collab

[placid fiber]

as a space marine who murders us

[clever swan]

nah darktide needs a cute kpop idol collab

[copper hawk]

Compared to Ogryn, which we fundamentally agree on

[hexed igloo]

K/da

[royal vortex]

his 'can't lose a fight' contract also applies to this game

[heady rapids]

but dwayne johnson literally exists in the 40k universe? google Angelicasta

[clever swan]

the chance that The Rock features as a space marine in some media one day is low...but not 0....

[north sedge]

My vote is for Jim kardashirn

[violet hornet]

Jim Karkdashian

[royal vortex]

that's one of those fuckin japanese baseball names

[north sedge]

Ah you've seen through stan's typo

[north sedge]

It's a shame i got too lazy to keep adding stan names to that image

[royal vortex]

😔

[north sedge]

This shit would be 1gb at least if i kept at it

[placid fiber]

What do you guys think of this?

[north sedge]

Greg

[remote lark]

greg

[fleet zealot]

ferret with attitude

[remote lark]

gregrret

[placid fiber]

jeremyjosho lol

[delicate shadow]

his character should also pretend he doesn't use muscle growth stims

[north sedge]

From the twisted mind of stan

[placid fiber]

I am terrified at what goes on in that head of his...

[north sedge]

You have only a glimpse into the horrors we have witnessed

[placid fiber]

I know...

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/2001-gif-5031951

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[royal vortex]

shane black being transformed because stan can't hear worth a fuck was just legendary

[north sedge]

Shane, black autistic

[placid fiber]

(liquid)

[north sedge]

Let us not forget "the incident" the one that requires us to both turn our keys to unleash like a nuke

[mighty root]

The mk15 heavy eviscerator is my favorite one but instead of that id highly recommend the relic blade

[grand tangle]

Post a ferret defeating its enemies in honorable combat

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-attack-gif-24550066

[heady rapids]

if you recommend relic they wont go back to xv
recommend xv first instead...........

[mighty root]

@violet relic also try this out if you can

[heady rapids]

there's a reason why fatshark makes you start the game with dclaw...........

[royal vortex]

lmfao

[mighty root]

I wuv dclaw

Fat shark please give the dclaw headtaker

Or something cool

[grand tangle]

Fat shark please give duelling sword mk5 parry

[mighty root]

Ok real?

[copper hawk]

Noh give it more impact blessings yes yez

[placid fiber]

give dueling sword only impact blessings

[grand tangle]

Giemve duelking sword all impact blessings except for agile

[placid fiber]

remove agile

[copper hawk]

https://youtu.be/78PfGQbL-g0?si=9rjW273ebp3_2zGf

[grand tangle]

All agile does is reduce the braincell requirements for ds4 from 2 to 1

It's an accessibility feature that a lot of players depend on

[mighty root]

Agile is so goofy

I made a ds mk 5 with ij for it

Literally couldn’t be hit

Was probably my greatest creation

[fleet zealot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QQgdcrsMKCs?si=1QXlIPMdExluY17O

[mighty root]

Servals are cooler than ferrets

[mighty root]

In person?

[fleet zealot]

i went to a differnet store after costco

[mighty root]

I highly recommend keeping that receipt

[fleet zealot]

costco was out of stock of their good options online for delivery/store delivery and i went in person and there were only 2 left and they were nvidia 3050 rigs

[copper hawk]

chinchillas r cooler than ferrets

[fleet zealot]

yes i have the receipt, and a warranty plan

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/chinchilla-shorts-linus-tread-lightly-chinpals-gif-2352363918275500215

[blissful tendon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/EGulGGO0cX

[fleet zealot]

i did not buy a used PC without you know, doing proper checks

[mighty root]

I bought a 3080 ti and it would crash constantly so I said I’m just gonna get the 4080 super

[fleet zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SoH_OrChFEI

[blissful tendon]

reddit post of all time

[copper hawk]

Chinchillas r weirder than ferrets

[mighty root]

@copper hawk where’s my 5090?

[fleet zealot]

why did i get tagged with reddit

for a youtube video, huh wtf

[copper hawk]

Yo mama

[mighty root]

I need you to stop the scalper bots from auto buying them @copper hawk

[fleet zealot]

@mighty root answer me

[mighty root]

Because I’m evil

[fleet zealot]

i'm craving some Szechuan spice wtf

[twin wagon]

Rats are cooler than both

[violet hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-3417245934051922481

[violet hornet]

I remember going to someone's house as a kid, entering a bedroom, seeing one and having no idea what it was. we shared the most bewildered eye contact for a moment before it hopped across the bed and down onto the floor to hide and I said "What the fuck was that"

[fleet zealot]

bewildered

damn darktide is a fat game

[fleet zealot]

but my internet is also dog water so what do i know

also the new keyboard that came wiht the package, very touchy keys

at 6 mbs bleh

going to hate to download tw wh3 and poe2, might have to do em overnight

[placid fiber]

Nice igloo

[frosty herald]

pirate yakuza has a BANGER amon theme goddamn

nvm the entire goddamn soundtrack slaps

[fleet zealot]

oh now my internet is just dying too

[placid fiber]

I blame Cole

[fleet zealot]

25kbs oh please help me god

[placid fiber]

Oh God that sounds terrible

[fleet zealot]

okay so basically

my new pc has a wifi adapter, but it sucks, but i still have my wifi dongle, but i need to disable the internal adapter so it uses the dongle instead

[frosty herald]

very much a remix of fiercest warrior from kiwami 2

[placid fiber]

If your snail(INTERNET) had speeds, yours would be dead?

I hit caplocks by accident >.>'

but that sounds convoluted bandit

[fleet zealot]

okay it's at 2.3mbs now but it was hitting 9mbs earlier

but that c ould be just cause i'm a mile away (exag) from the router

[placid fiber]

You're 5280 feet away from your router?!

[fleet zealot]

feels like it

idk why I am even downloading darktide, i wouldn't be able to play it lol

[placid fiber]

At least I'm not a nerd who knows how many inches away that is (just 5280 x 12 x.x)

[fleet zealot]

but dpw, you are a nerd

[placid fiber]

but... if you were to multiply it by 2... that would be 10000 + 280x2 = 560... so thats 10560... x 2... which is 20000 + 560 x 2 which is 1120.... so 21120.... x 3 so that is 60000 + 1120x3.... which is 3360... so before a caluclator my guess is 63360 inches

[fleet zealot]

my favorite starter

[placid fiber]

holy fuck I was right lol

[visual stream]

Real shit 💪 Sinnoh for life

Close combat went hard as a child

[placid fiber]

the way I got this was 5280 x 12 = 5280 x 2 x 2 x 3... since 12 = 2 x 2 x 3

[uneven galleon]

[fleet zealot]

disdain is helpful on relic blade ngl

[placid fiber]

Funny you should say something #zealot-class message (1st build from the pinned relic blade message)

[uneven galleon]

I like IJ better

[fleet zealot]

it has high minimum damage and high cleave

well IJ isn't competing with disdain, stalwart is more for high havoc anyways, for the guaranteed cdr

[silver rover]

hi im in darktide after a long break, what enhancements, blessings should I use on relic blade (is it still good lol)

also what dump stat?

[plush estuary]

[visual stream]

I see the vision unlike most other builds in the wilderness

[fleet zealot]

why would it stop being good 🍿

[placid fiber]

check da pinned relic blade message :3

Wait... the relic blade hasn't been out that long, why wouldn't it still be just as good? lol

[visual stream]

Idk if anyone's mentioned this but I would recommend checking the pins

[uneven galleon]

I mean, if it's havoc we're talking, yeah

[silver rover]

Idk im used to games with lots of balancing ig lol

[visual stream]

Fair enough

[uneven galleon]

But IJ is my beloved for anything else

[silver rover]

Is duelling sword still broken on zealot

[fleet zealot]

fatshark is slow, like an obese carnivore fish

[placid fiber]

fatshark moves much slower than the helldivers 2 devs lol

[visual stream]

NO NERFS HERE ONLY POWERCREEP 💪

[silver rover]

Yeah im used to helldivers 2 and r6 balancing lmao

[fleet zealot]

that's also true lol, the company seems to be on the power creep

the only things that aren't "good" anymore is the shredder autopistol

[placid fiber]

can't wait for crushers to have 6000hp on regular damnation

[visual stream]

The only nerfs we get are ones that aren't actually busted, like removing lethal proximity from affecting psyker explosion

[fleet zealot]

forever abandoned since it's damage blessing got nerfed from 100% bonus damage to 25%

[fleet zealot]

or nerfing punishment, honestly thought that would remain sleeper OP

[placid fiber]

And even that is viable in non-aurics when used right

[fleet zealot]

made chaxe busted

[placid fiber]

imagine a cult of chaxe users: crit chaxe

[fleet zealot]

i don't have to imagine

[silver rover]

is chainaxe good on zealot rn? 👀

[normal wren]

thoughts on good sidearms for the hammer, currently using bauto

[placid fiber]

Oh God...

[uneven galleon]

Yeah

[fleet zealot]

i've seen it, makes me wanna gouge my eyes out, it's like seeing the worst person you know wear the same clothes as you

[fleet zealot]

it's been good for a while, not havoc viable but a lot of weapons aren't viable for hav40

[placid fiber]

Just thinking about it existing is like imagining a crit thammer cult... which I am 99% sure exists...

[silver rover]

thats valid

need to grab havoc title ngl, whats the best setup for havoc? voc veteran? lol

[fleet zealot]

ever since they buffed mk4s maniac damage by 40% and increased the heavy and PA attack speed, and when they removed clubthrough bug on lights

[placid fiber]

So how do you use the mk4 chain-axe well? I want to use it sometime, but, all I can think of is: heavies/push attack for horde clear... and lights for single target

I am more interested in using the mk4 chain-axe than I am the relic blade

[fleet zealot]

voc vet, chorus zeal, bubble psyker, and taunt ogryn are what you are gonna see in pubs and will carry pubs the most often.

Infilitrate, fotf, shroudfield, scriers, vent and charge can all be good as well

but require a more, thought out team comp which pubs don't often have

[silver rover]

whats chorus again btw

[placid fiber]

I have your builds you sent earlier that have marty saved >.>

[fleet zealot]

the relic chant

[silver rover]

oh nvm its the icon thing right?

[fleet zealot]

yes, it is that boring, rev'd heavies really only are used if you have fotf up

otherwise your single target is much safer to just light spam

[placid fiber]

I'm guessing this one can be used with any gun, for the most part, right? >.> https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d93519a-afd0-40e7-ad7e-fce2e58fe30c/pro-autism-chain-axe-gun

[fleet zealot]

PA and lights will stagger ragers out with enough str from ht/slaught

[fleet zealot]

yee i just recomnend vraks iag, but all range works well with it, including flamer with throwing knives

las pistol would be good, i use mk3 vigilant, bolt pistol might be good

agri brauto is good but most people aren't here to play a more CS style gun

[placid fiber]

I was thinking the brauto more specifically, but, what makes the vraks iag so good compared to the other mks for this build?

[visual stream]

No one calls it Chastise anymore..

[fleet zealot]

because it's the best automatic in the game

[placid fiber]

oh, the vraks is now better than the agripinaa?

[fleet zealot]

sure brauto has better base damage and cleave, but vraks IAG is the best dps ranged option in the game and very flexible for everything besides carapace

[fleet zealot]

vraks iag (formerly columnus) has been better than the agri brauto since they buffed iags with better finesse and stats

[placid fiber]

Good to know

[fleet zealot]

in fact i need to put a note

but i'm lazy, but duelist is worth taking with vraks iag

[placid fiber]

because of the finesse damage, right?

[fleet zealot]

i'd prob sub out vicious offering ngl

yes, with dance of death and duelist you can mag dump heads and just go insane

[placid fiber]

I'm guessing unyielding is for monster damage and carapace is for crushers, for your stats on the mk4, right?

[fleet zealot]

only enemy types chaxe doesn't one shot baseline basically

[placid fiber]

ragers can get 1 shot by lights?

[fleet zealot]

mk4* specifically

[placid fiber]

I know they autorev for 1 tick

[fleet zealot]

no by rev'd heavies. ragers do get staggered by PA and lights when you are ramped tho

but lights you play more around ttk and not BPs since martyr makes them come out so fast

[placid fiber]

You just have to be ready for a camera seizure right?

[fleet zealot]

but yea, in that case, cara and unyielding are the only ones that matter, you burn down maniacs and flak insanely quick

[placid fiber]

any alternative to cara or unyielding that I can use, if I wanted?

Just for side info

[fleet zealot]

they toned it down significantly since launch, imo unless you catch a prone enemy on the ground at the end of your swing you shouldn't be jerked around

[fleet zealot]

flakiac, elites, I do not know if mk4 can make use out of unarmored like mk12 does, since mk12 does have 2 breakpoints for horde clear on lights if you take unarmored

[placid fiber]

I mean... the mk12 is more or less the rashad/antax, but, with a chainsaw >.>

[fleet zealot]

helps with scab bruisers and groaners and getting cleave damage through them until you hit your 4 cap

[placid fiber]

How well does the mk4 deal with crusher gangs? That's the only other thing I am curious about. My guess is you do lights if you are playing it safer, but, heavy rev + chastise if available?

[fleet zealot]

lights and be ready to dodge, rev heavy if chastise available

[placid fiber]

Right on the nose, then? :3

[fleet zealot]

2nd light or even 1st light on top of your ramp will stagger a crusher

oh yea, don't panic dodge, you do not have a lot of dodges and they are on the shorter end, it's important to pace yourself and take a deep breath

[placid fiber]

Good to know... does this require slaughterer stacks? or just headtaker ones?

[fleet zealot]

i think just headtaker

[placid fiber]

Nice

[fleet zealot]

but slaught will help and chaxe doesn't struggle keeping those up

[placid fiber]

tyvm for the info

[placid fiber]

Any suggestions if I am to take the chain axe on the vet(I probably never will, but, just thought of this)? Maybe do mk12 over mk4? >.>

[fleet zealot]

oh yea unless you are taking melee talents all the way down

go mk12 on vet, it simply fits their playstyle better, mk4 loves to stat check on zealot way more

[placid fiber]

I kind of thought so, for vet. >.>'

[fleet zealot]

not going to stop you taking mk4 and it can work on vet going hard on that right side, i just personally wouldn't recommend it to the newer players

[placid fiber]

Or for someone learning the chaxe? >.>

[fleet zealot]

i mean dpw, don't sell yourself short

[placid fiber]

I may not be a noob, but, when I am learning a weapon I am going to use it terribly lol

[fleet zealot]

also why tf is for honor 107 gb, god damn

[placid fiber]

When I did the twins hard mode with orcka(we won) and I took the mk2 taxe I literally just panicked and light spammed and we both stayed alive <.<'

I am not going to sell myself short, but, I really struggle with new unfamiliar weapons sometimes

[fleet zealot]

killing floor 2 is 95gb? oh dear heavens

[placid fiber]

It is?! Jesus. I haven't installed that game in a while

[fleet zealot]

i'm going to have to leave this on day and night to download, i'm going to need a new storage drive

[carmine falcon]

it has shitton of maps and cosmetics that's why

[fleet zealot]

this only came with 1tbssd and my old setup was 256gb ssd and 1 tb hdd

[placid fiber]

I'm gonna go check to see if normal shroudfield can 1 shot heresy monsters rq lol