zealot-class

[hexed igloo]

If your switchaxe stays in sword mode for over 4 hours

[plucky gate]

This plan would kinda be ruined if the endgame weapons are all the same
like in fatalis meta where every endgame raw weapon is dragon aside from a few exceptions

[hexed igloo]

Just make the final monster be every element so you can justify having 1 weapon from him with every element

I can't wait to be poisoned, paralyzed, and have every blight at the same time

[frosty herald]

they absolutely learned with sunbreak that every weapon is viable in the endgame and that the newest title update means nothing

[plucky gate]

My theory is arkveld will absorb every element and become unchained arkveld with every element

[hexed igloo]

Arkveld breaking out of the shibari ropes

[frosty herald]

mhwilds is going to be the most peak game imaginable

[hexed igloo]

Ong game of the century

[plucky gate]

chained arkveld implies there's an unchained arkveld
imagine he absorbs everything and no longer needs them, like perfect cell no longer absorbing things with his tail

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-cell-fire-writing-perfect-writing-perfect-cell-writing-writing-perfect-cell-gif-17299771935638990179

[tawny walrus]

I hope we get some meowscular chef type restaurant. Cooking in the tent is cool and all but the little dudes were hype

[hexed igloo]

Chained arkveld implies the existence of unchained arkveld and hell just be exactly the same without those big whip chains on his arms

[hexed igloo]

Fuck meowscular chef all my homies eat at Grammeowsters tent

[tawny walrus]

Or the abuela yeah. She was also hype

[frosty herald]

lies of p my beloved the dlc looks stunningh

i am praying we get to save romeo in the dlc cause it looks like you meet the stalkers before they were killed and laxasia before she was corrupted by manus

[signal spoke]

The new Saros game looks pretty interesting

I do like the main character design and the game is made by Returnal devs

[open bramble]

Do a lot of players get carried through havoc 40 or something, because I keep getting into groups with duders with the 40 next to their names, and they ... uhhh ... well, kind of blow ass.

Maybe my expectations for them are too high. I always assume they're going to be absurdly good.

[signal spoke]

Bros paid 3$ to get carried for H40 by the services

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, many players are carried through h40. It's especially bad when it comes to psyker players. Either they relied on their book/voc teammates or they are an m1 macro spammer. Never found a random h40 psyker outside of those two kinds.

[copper hawk]

Left my phone on for a brief I just did for the most rank I hope i ever see and got all the drops thanks 4 lettin me know there were more @modern lintel

Bummed i didnt get the armor, I was probs gonna wear it w a closed helm for fashion and for the challenge

[grizzled aspen]

Remember, Dempsey knows that revive-cola tastes like cat piss.

Or, well, he knew, considering those characters are long gone.

[sterile stone]

You can read the ingredients on the back

I'm pretty sure speed cola is made with amps

[sullen forge]

I get Speed Cola and Stamin Up mixed but one is Heroin the other is Cocaine

[pliant ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih-FI_yH3qg&ab_channel=Rekeer

[grizzled aspen]

Speed cola is definitely the one with cocaine in it then. Also how do you get them mixed up?

[sullen forge]

with the ingredients cause I swear to god its the opposite of what you'd expect

[sterile stone]

Oh btw, exoborne is giving out steam keys to test out their game, just gotta have a stream open and link the account

Bout to get it downloading rn

[grizzled aspen]

What's exoborne?

[sterile stone]

PvPvE extracion shooter game I guess

Here's the ingredients list btw for the drinks

Oh yeah I was right speed cola is made with meth

[grizzled aspen]

"Hydrolized crank."

Revive cola straight up has "feline urea."

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-oops-gif-25712345

[tidal berry]

I kinda hate those

[grizzled aspen]

Also this isnt the full list. Where's my mule kick? My PhD? My Tombstone? My Widow's Wine? My Double Tap?

[tidal berry]

we can't even have good PvP or PvE games anymore why do we need games that combine both

[grizzled aspen]

(rest in peace electric cherry, elemental pop can never fill your shoes)

[sterile stone]

Because battle royales are boring and over played at this point

[grizzled aspen]

Because sweaty shitlords have got to find a way to infest the gameplay of your average 9-5 player and ruin the experience for everyone involved. See Warzone as a prime example.

[tidal berry]

This reminds me of my reaction to helldivers 2 crewmates being a little too suspiciously enthusiastic till I read that note about how they are constantly on meth, but then, what do they put in the stims? Super meth?

[sterile stone]

These are from the cold war cans

[tidal berry]

Eh, I don't even have a hatred of certain genre. I don't have ''I hate popular shit'' syndrome, its more so I am at constant war with the fact that video games are now an industry about graphics and not so much about gameplay evolution, gameplay is just there to be flavor. We have so much hardware in modern computers yet we do games that are less complicated than what we had a decade ago.

[tidal berry]

warzone is a game for NPCs

[grizzled aspen]

Isn't cordite like an accelerant used in gunpowders for high caliber rounds?

[sterile stone]

You get like a good game every 10 or so flops

[tidal berry]

how can you be sweaty in a shooter game where the entire aiming part is automated? Cheats maybe?

I don't understand NA people. Even the shit you call ''E-sports'' is comical

[grizzled aspen]

Cheats, exactly, and some people just play the game really really stupidly and run shit that plays the game for them.

[tidal berry]

Your first mistake is unironically thinking activision cares about an honest experience

you don't get honest games anymore because skill gaps scare people.

[sterile stone]

200g of protein would leave your colon absolutely bricked and probably kill you

[grizzled aspen]

Like, for example, who in their balance dept thought putting a canted laser on a marksman rifle would be a good idea, knowing the prevalence of quickscoping and how easily you can sweep a lobby with that?

[tidal berry]

Idk tbh cod was always the game for these kind of ppl

even in the ''good old days'' you had noobtubes or juggernaut

ig old games did have some issues with annoying movement tech people deemed as ''skill expression'' but were actual cancer to fight like dolphin dives or uh.. Whatever the nolife players do in BF4

[grizzled aspen]

OG dropshotting was actually instant aids on contact.

I got to a point where I'd prefire the floor just to win those gunfights and teach those idiots to stop dropshotting.

[tidal berry]

I felt like BF 2042 actually had good movement

bit too slidey for some because it had momentum for slides and such but it felt pretty fair while still arcade

too bad the game bombed, and now everyone is playing delta force which is like, the same game but worse

[tidal berry]

eh, you mean like 200g of meat or just the protein content?

[sterile stone]

See that's a good question

[tidal berry]

I'm a big ignorant for food macros, how much actual meat one would have to eat to consume that amount?

[sterile stone]

We'd need someone that's hardcore into bodybuilding in here to give us an idea

I know alot of gym dudes break food intake down to the macro level

[tidal berry]

Each day I eat like at least 200-250g of meat or other sources of protein, thats measured before I cook and usually kinda eyeballing it at this point

[sterile stone]

Yeah but imagine that in a condensed can

Not following anything else you might eat

[tidal berry]

bit unbalanced but you should survive if your fiber intake is fine.. I think?

then again some of those energy drinks do make me feel like my heart is going to explode so I wouldn't rule out a weird drink killing me .d

[sterile stone]

I asked my roommate who does alot of running, and her words verbatim "Yeah that'd be okay if you're like 400 lbs or a maybe a body builder"

[tidal berry]

yeah.. I'd die, good to know

Being 400 lbs sounds worse than death anyhow

Murrica is a scary country with just how fucking bloated people get

its almost like a weird science experiment of a country

what do you mean you add sugar to your bread wtf

[grizzled aspen]

Funnily enough it is still possible to be pushing 300lbs and not be fat.

[sterile stone]

I feel like I know who you're referencing, I just can't pin the guy's name. He's built like a brick shit house tho

Fucking irl ogryn

[pale spindle]

Giga Chad body

[grizzled aspen]

Halfbjor, I think his name is. Played the Mountain in Game of Thrones.

[tidal berry]

you mean in muscles? Is it even possible to get such muscle mass without steroid use? And its even slower for women

[grizzled aspen]

Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson this is his actual name, I just wrote out how to pronounce it in English.

[grizzled aspen]

Look up the guy I just mentioned, he is a literal fucking giant.

He is 6ft 9in tall and 430lbs according to google.

[tidal berry]

Well I'd still ask the same question regarding roids, but I'm not a body builder, I wouldn't know the diff. I just know if someone looks unnatural, its probably unnatural

[grizzled aspen]

I'm fairly certain that he's natural.

[tidal berry]

thats pretty impressive then, to be able to even function with such weight lol

[grizzled aspen]

Nordic genes just kinda do that to you. If you work with those genes, you become a tank.

Speaking from experience, most of my family is Norwegian. I do fuck-all and eat like a raccoon (utter garbage) and I maintain a good figure despite that. If I actually went to the gym and put down the junk food for good, I could probably get shredded like my brothers are.

[tidal berry]

I don't do a lot of weight lifting but I do have a history with swimming and just.. walking a fuckton. I did definitely lose my stamina and flexibility though. Covid did a number on me. I definitely believe genetics play a huge role in how buff one can get and so does your biological gender aswell

[tidal berry]

Think you probably have an active life in that case, people who sit a lot tend to get bloated if they eat like that

[grizzled aspen]

I work at a grocery store and run back and forth across it at least 160 times a day when I'm scheduled.

[tidal berry]

or maybe you overestimate how much you actually eat, my brother does that, claims to eat like a horse and says he can't gain weight to maintain muscles. Truth is he just doesn't eat enough.

[grizzled aspen]

Oh no I absolutely do eat enough, trust me on that. If you've seen the things I've posted as my meals, you'd know. Lemme go find one rq.

[tidal berry]

That would do it I realized this after getting a step counter app set-up that I do like 3-4k steps a day just idly moving around at work or doing house chores, if you work at a grocery store you prolly do a lot more than me

and those apps tend to be a bit wrong but they're a good indicator

[grizzled aspen]

Two steaks, two baked potatoes, and a large helping of noodles, and I was still hungry afterward.

[tidal berry]

10k steps a day would be like, maybe 400 to 500 calories? Depending on weight? That doesn't sound like a lot but on average it actually is lol, can absolutely make difference between a chonker and someone fit

[grizzled aspen]

I be munching on the regular.

[tidal berry]

You have a funny idea of eating trash lol, this is pretty good, though I'd maybe toss noodles for beans or something green

[grizzled aspen]

This is one of the few times I eat real food. I eat a lot of junk food, too.

Like way more than I'm really comfortable with. It's kind of a problem I've been trying to break.

[tidal berry]

I'd recommend cutting out the junk and just eating more actual food, also do regular bloodwork tests for deficiencies, like at least every 6 months I'd recommend one and if thats too much work, at least get it done every winter

[hard nexus]

battle of britain ass meal

[grizzled aspen]

I've been making it a point to think of healthy alternatives to junk food. If I feel a craving for salt, I'll salt an apple instead of eating potato chips, for example.

[grizzled aspen]

Don't you mock my real food choices, ma'am.

[tidal berry]

Also salads are suprisingly tasty if you do them right and add a good dressing, just don't douse it in glucose syrup like my father used to do

[grizzled aspen]

Mhmm, I usually take some leftover chicken and shred it to make a simple little salad every now and then.

Just a touch of ranch to taste because oils aren't super good for you.

[tidal berry]

Actually oils are ok.. Well, depends

little bit of olive oil gives a ton of energy during the day

I also take fish oil supplements because actually eating fresh fish is hard for me

[grizzled aspen]

Olive oil and... one other oil that's eluding me are good for you, the rest are pretty bad.

[tidal berry]

butter is pretty good, just don't overdo it

[grizzled aspen]

I prefer cooking my meals in butter over any margarine spread or oils, especially now that butter is typically cheaper.

[tidal berry]

The few years I had to sit with family and tolarete margarine were the ones I gained the most weight in my life so I sincerely believe margarine is the ultimate villain lmao

[hexed igloo]

That looks fire I'm jealous

I'm at work so I be eating just hiking bars lmao

[tidal berry]

I just end up using less oil with butter anyway, less of it is enough to give foods a savory taste

[grizzled aspen]

I also like to save the fats from certain things I can render them from and cook relevant meals with them. Rendering beef tallow from a brisket to cook steak in, for example, is a great idea.

[hexed igloo]

I eat mostly air fryer food

Or instant noodles

Iain rich enough for actual meals 😔

[tidal berry]

I am terrible with butchering meat, just can't do it. tenderizing and dicing chicken breast is enough of a challenge and if I have to work with chicken thighs I will actually cry.

[grizzled aspen]

My dad be like "hmm today I will turn these below average patio steaks into straight fucking heat on a random Tuesday afternoon for no particular reason."

[tidal berry]

I've thought of getting one tbh, but I find it easier to cut on carbs than on oil tbh, currently trying to get shredded by losing a little bit of fat

[hexed igloo]

Fractionated coconut oil is great for your skin and hair, and coconut oil in general is peddled as being good for you to eat but I don't really believe it

[tidal berry]

well, the assumption is there anyway, I'm trying to get my shoulders and arms to stand out more, I want them to look muscular not just thick

[grizzled aspen]

Honestly, I don't blame you. Butchering is not everyone's cup of tea.
That being said, I can take down an entire deer carcass in 5 minutes after it's been strung up, blindfolded, with a razor sharp knife.

[tidal berry]

sheesh

[hexed igloo]

Fair enough, the easiest way to lose weight (temporarily) is by cutting carbs cos they hold a lot of water, but yeah if you want it to stick around you should be cutting calories in general

[tidal berry]

nah I'm more after fat loss, but already past the point of losing water weight, I've lost about 2kgs last 10 days, should more than cover water weight

[grizzled aspen]

People get squeamish when it comes to the guts of an animal, and I can understand that, but that's where knowing the edge of your blade comes into play. Cut only what you intend to and the guts just fall right out.

[tidal berry]

What am I eating? Fuck all, tbh. On 1200 kcal a day, some days I allow myself to eat like a normal human being as a treat.

[hexed igloo]

I used to help with butchering pigs, but now I can't eat pork chops or whatever because the fat tastes like how a pig carcass smells

[grizzled aspen]

Yup, butchery will leave little ticks like that in your brain. Nothing can really be done about it.

[tidal berry]

Its less about that but I'm just terrible with a knife or things of that nature asking for precision, maybe my knife set is terrible too. They haven't been sharpened in years.

[hexed igloo]

Yeah could probably do with a sharpen then lmao

[grizzled aspen]

Frankly, I can't stand to fry bacon, or even be in the same building as bacon being fried. The smell reminds me of human flesh being burned.

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-14026649281713077235

[violet hornet]

frog had a little too much long pig

[hexed igloo]

What do you define as normal human? I'd assume your maintenance would be around 2000kcal, but could very easily be stacking way over that with your eat days

[grizzled aspen]

Long story, tldr, neighbor's house caught on fire, someone didn't make it, the surrounding area smelled like charred bacon for weeks.

[copper hawk]

He's dat guy bro.. dont u know..

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[hexed igloo]

Kcal/day is cringe kcal/week is a way better mark to use

[placid fiber]

Oof

[tidal berry]

2000 is about normal for someone sedentary I think. I do walk around a lot(well, aiming 10k steps a day, not that much tbf) and still do muscle exercise. It gets rather difficult to motivate let alone actually strain my muscles without energy. Caffeine helps though.

[hexed igloo]

Long pork

[copper hawk]

Mmm caffeine

[hexed igloo]

You should really be eating more big dog, at least somewhere near how much you burn, the lack of energy isn't a good thing lmao

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah I'd definitely take some time to sharpen your blades, as well as learning to sharpen them correctly. Lots of people try sharpening their blades, do it wrong, and then they get metal shavings in their food.

[hexed igloo]

I sharpen mine with a random piece of ceramic, then run the honing rod

Few metal shavings in your food ain't a big deal tbh extra iron

[copper hawk]

Yo mama

[tidal berry]

I plan to follow this for maximum 2 months, but hopefully I'll see results long before that. The goal is to lose some fat in the limbs, I don't have a belly or anything I just want to have leaner limbs, want muscle thats there to stand out more.

[placid fiber]

yo fatha

[grizzled aspen]

My dad had me sharpening the kitchen knives when I was 10, and they've held a razor edge since. Four whetstones of differing grits and a honing rod go brrrr.

[copper hawk]

[tidal berry]

that does not sound encouraging =w= maybe I'll just buy a new set lmao

[hexed igloo]

You can't target specific fat areas if that's what you're trying to do, it's all genetics. Being low fat% for any extended amount of time is also pretty fuckin bad for you

[tidal berry]

the one addiction I couldn't manage to quit

[grizzled aspen]

He went to culinary school to learn to cook well and made sure to pass on lessons that he thought were important, always sharp blades being one of them.

[copper hawk]

Caloric deficit makes u tired yah, i lost a ton of weight b4 and now i have permanent stretchmarks despite havin a flat stomach

[placid fiber]

Just drink 3 energy drinks with 0 sugar and bam... ur infested

[tidal berry]

no, you can't, but everyone is different and depending on genetics, hormone, gender, all that jazz, some areas will hoard fat more than others

[copper hawk]

Something to be said about losing weight too fast - if ur p heavy, it can also cause gall stones but im talkin 280lbs +

[grizzled aspen]

It's really not super hard to learn to do it right, the problem lies in people not knowing how to do it right to begin with. YouTube definitely has tutorials floating around on how to properly sharpen your blades.

[copper hawk]

If ur tired a lot then ur doing it right

[opaque island]

what if, hear me out here... i killed you with hammers

[placid fiber]

You would just have to find the legit ones

[grizzled aspen]

Might take 30 minutes to learn, then maybe 5 minutes every 2 or so weeks to keep the edge honed.

[violet hornet]

you can also send them off for professional sharpening if it's been a while and you wanna start fresh

[opaque island]

good plan?

[copper hawk]

Ur body is literally burning calories to keep up ur functioning, ur gonna be tired

[grizzled aspen]

I would only recommend this if you've got good, proper steel. Most dollar store knives aren't worth being sent to be professionally sharpened.

[copper hawk]

Since ur not getting it from food and instead ketosis or muscular dystrophy (ur muscle tissue is broken down for energy as well)

[grizzled aspen]

Said dollar store cutlery is good to practice on, though.

[copper hawk]

Make sure u drink a lot of fluids; consider pedialytes, or other sugary electrolyte beverages

[violet hornet]

for a cheap enough set the professional sharpening may cost more than the set did, but idk I've been using the same knives and sharpening them myself for ages

[copper hawk]

Sugar free ones are pissing away the aminos and electros; absorption of salt and other electrolytes is significantly improved w the presence of sugar

[opaque island]

i thought sugar was bad for you

[copper hawk]

When I enlisted I was a lard ball. I dropped from like 234ish to around 190 in less than a year

[tidal berry]

Yea hope I'm doing it right, scale seems to indicate so aswell, I just make an effort to have enough protein and stuff rich in fibers/vitamins with hopes that I won't be melting my muscles much

[grizzled aspen]

Same, I couldn't even tell you the brand of my knives at this point, I haven't bought a set in so long. My knife block is the same one that sat in grandma's kitchen for 30 years, and the knives are even older than that. I bought a set for my parents just so I could have granny's knives.

[copper hawk]

Then i dropped from 190 to 175 in about 3 months (i had a diet and exercise, calorie burning activities become easier the more u do them + losing weight)

[frozen kernel]

My watch telling me I knock out ~10k steps and at least a dozen flights of stairs a day

[violet hornet]

probably some good steel in those fuckers

[copper hawk]

Now I'm at around 166 lbs, which is about as thin as I can get while also being able to maintain a 500+ pt score

If you run a lot, for around 3 months, you'll have around 10 lbs of water weight at any given time

[grizzled aspen]

Mhmm, and I could shave my face with each of them. They'd cut you and you wouldn't know you'd been laid open til you saw blood run from your hand.

[copper hawk]

Your muscle tissues individually will retain more water to be used in long, high intensity endurance exercises (running)

[tidal berry]

My favourite thing in the gym is the moonwalk device, or whatever it was called, I believe it was originally intended as a torture device But coupled with some leg press few times a week it can build you really well toned thicc legs

[copper hawk]

So dont be discouraged if you gain weighr after a week or month of running - this is expected

[grizzled aspen]

It's only know dawning on me that I'm probably gonna be the uncle that teaches my nieces and nephews how to cook... my siblings don't know how to...

[frozen kernel]

You don’t mean the treadmill lmao

[copper hawk]

Ur gonna be melting muscles that's inevitable. My suggestion is to focus on cutting instead of trying to maintain tissue. Aka losing as much weight as you can until you're satisfied, then start bulking

[frozen kernel]

The moonwalk device it’s so much better lmao

[copper hawk]

It's easier and simpler; you know that your baseline at that time is fatless and you work up from there

[merry flume]

it's so over zealot chat, i asked my crush what he was doing on friday and he said "drinking with friends" immediately

[copper hawk]

Instead of playing the trade muscle for fat game with the goal of losing weight; if you're exercising, like strength training (weight lifting) and trying to lose weight you're just hurting yourself

You have to eat more than 2000 calories in order to repair that tissue

If you're doing a deficit and lifting you're actually harming your muscle tissues/joints/tendons

[grizzled aspen]

Kill and eat him.

[tidal berry]

no, its not. We referred to it as moonwalk thing but Idk what its actually called. It simulates climbing stairs thats about the best way I could describe it, and you can increase the resistance or decrease it if you wish so it can sort of simulate a higher gravity.

[copper hawk]

Id suggest running or swimmin

[frozen kernel]

I feel bad for folks gaining and losing weight because the human body loves to just plateau and be like “I’m just gonna do the bare minimum to maintain this state”

[copper hawk]

Those are the two best forms of exercise to burn calories

[tidal berry]

Alright, starvation go brrr

[copper hawk]

I ran while starving. It's mileage/time over speed

[tidal berry]

I have zero fucking appetite already, don't think it will be much difficult in regards to willpower

[copper hawk]

My diet from 236ish to 190 was starving for 3 days, eat one meal, starve another 3 while doing 4 - 6 miles a day

I got to 236 to 190 in about 4 months

[frozen kernel]

Ohhhh gotcha. Yeah I think we straight up just call it the stair climber machine lol

[copper hawk]

I dont recommend it... aesthetically and physically and mentally, it was miserable but I was tired of being fat when I enlisted

Like I said, I'm around 166 rn and w a flat tummy I still have stretch marks cuz of the rapid weight loss. Those never go away

[frozen kernel]

Swimming > Running but having constant access to a pool is a privilege not a lot of people have.

It’s so fucking good for your body

[copper hawk]

Or a lake.. river.. etc

[frozen kernel]

Clean bodies of water*

It’s also winter so most lakes would be a bit unpleasant atm

[copper hawk]

I recommend starting trying to run as long as you can, walk if you have to, for 2 miles every other day

Do that till u can run, even jog, the whole 2 miles, then ramp up from there

[tidal berry]

I do want to get into running , walk is easy but its fucking cold outside and I don't want to freeze my ass

sure I could put more layers but I don't wanna lmao

[merry flume]

my local gym has a water treadmill you can rent

[sullen forge]

I mean if you aren't running walking is still pretty good for your overall health especially if its over 2+ Miles a day

[frozen kernel]

It gets a lot warmer once you get going. As someone who used to be out skating in the cold rain at like 2am

[copper hawk]

U burn around 250 - 200 calories every 2 miles, iirc you burn around 250 every 30 mins of running

[tidal berry]

jog is easy enough though, just the full on sprint that kills my lungs in 15 mins top

[hexed igloo]

Yeah that's what I meant mb

[violet hornet]

I just went on a walk in freezing rain today and it felt like I was going to get frostbite on my face at first, then it was fine after like 10 minutes

[tidal berry]

Idk how ppl sustain that for an hour

[copper hawk]

If u run while heavier youll hurt urself. Just jog

[hexed igloo]

Just walk tbh

[copper hawk]

Walking doesnt burn as many calories as quickly as running does

Unless you ruck, which burns about the same

[hexed igloo]

Yeah but calories burnt via exercise is not much compared to base maintenance

[copper hawk]

Running is also super healthy for you

[hexed igloo]

The difference between walking and jogging in calories is fuck all to someone who weighs 250lbs

[copper hawk]

It's significantly better than just walking

You only walk if you cant run; you can do sprints too (120/60s etc) if u want

[hexed igloo]

In general Yeah but if you fat tryna lose weight, you're better off walking, both physically and mentally, it's a lot easier to go for a walk than to go for a jog yk

[violet hornet]

tbf it does matter how quickly you're walking / running, I have been on walks and passed people running but any faster and I'd be giving my knees a hard time without shifting to jogging or running

[tidal berry]

I'm not thaat heavy sheesh, just the lungs are not cooperating, knees are fine

[copper hawk]

If you walked for a month and I ran for a month and we compared vox, dys and sys, and lung capacity id be significantly healthier in all three provided we exercised for the same time

[hexed igloo]

My knee ain't great, but I can walk for hours, 3 steps of a jog will have me limping home

[tidal berry]

I think knee injury is a real possibility for heavier ppl though so its a good warning I suppose

[copper hawk]

Just jog or run. If ur out of breath run until u cant, then walk

[frozen kernel]

I miss warm weather. I want to ride my longboard again

[tidal berry]

yeah I think alternating between might be good for me, better than just calling it a day after overworking myself

[copper hawk]

Ur goal is to run at least 2 miles under 20 minutes - something to work towards. Your lung capacity will improve quickly the more you do it faster than you anticipate

[hexed igloo]

I'm not saying walking is better for you than jogging. I'm saying generally if you're heavier, it's better to walk because you're more likely to stick with it, rather than pushing yourself to jog and going "fuck this"

[frozen kernel]

We’ve got really nice paved bike trails in a nearby town I head over to. I park at an old drive in and just ride for like 8ish miles until it becomes mountain

[copper hawk]

Ur heart rate will also lower

Ull feel happier and more energized, etc - tl dr it gets very easy very fast

[hexed igloo]

I miss cold weather I fucking hate the heat

[tidal berry]

I think my problem regarding sprints is probably just lazyness, I try to go what I could sustain at my best pre-covid and just feel demoralized when I can't and give up altogether, bad mindset. Even though while rusty I'm still better than a lot of ppl on street, I'm shooting myself down too much Idk

[frozen kernel]

Cold weather is fine when it’s not literally snowing and in the negatives

[hexed igloo]

I wish it was snowing and in the negatives here

[copper hawk]

I dont rlly see walking as an exercise is the issue. U do it every day. Running is, and it's the easiest to do, requires rhe least equipment, and the returns you get for losing weight/general wellness over time is the best

[tidal berry]

I'd take snow over mud, I just get mud instead, I hate mud

[frozen kernel]

Similarly heat fucking sucks when you walk outside and dry out instantly like a raisin because the humidity is 9000%

[copper hawk]

This is from my perspective as someone who is a soldier, athlete, and used to be obese

[hexed igloo]

Shit take walking is one of the best exercises because you do it everywhere and every day

[tidal berry]

I appreciate your input

[copper hawk]

I ran my first marathon after just less than a year of running. You can do it bro

[violet hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-power-bottom-gif-5783967

[frozen kernel]

Cardio is a mean bitch. It really does just get harder if you’re bigger because physics is working against you

Last year went on a hike with my fellas and even though I live a mostly sedentary lifestyle with a fair bit of cardio at work, I was killing the mountain whereas our dudes at 200 and up were struggling on the rocky segments

[copper hawk]

Walking tk the cornerstore isnt an exercise. Your body is literally designed to walk. It's the least extraneous activity you can do next to sitting. You burn about as many calories in one night's sleep as you do in a week of walking for 2 hours a day

[violet hornet]

elevation will really kick your ass if you're out of shape or just heavy

[tidal berry]

don't rly have any interest in military nor marathons, it started as ''I should fit in this dress'' and now that I do I still want to keep going kekw

[copper hawk]

The whole point of exercise is to push yourself. You arent pushing yourself if you are walking if you CAN run.

I wanted to do a marathon because I had just lost a shit ton of weight and trained a lot and wanted to see if i could do it.. and i did !

[frozen kernel]

My Fenian/Japanese blood has landed me with exactly fuck all in body mass, but it works out mostly

[copper hawk]

A goal / something to work towards is important in motivating you to exercise every day

Testing yourself is also very important; it gives u confidence and makes your struggle worth it

[tidal berry]

thats p. cool, I think I'm more interested in swimming myself, which is funny considering I still have a mild case of thallassophobia

[copper hawk]

I didnt mean to say im a soldier to recruit you, i meant it as a qualifying statement; every day I walk, I ruck a lot, and I run a ton - i know a lot about fitness, especially as an NCO

[frozen kernel]

Most sigma gamer behavior is the overweight Dark Souls gamers who’d do 10 pushups whenever they died, and drop like 14lbs by the end of their first run

[copper hawk]

I consider myself an athlete because I am an active HEMA practitioner and run marathons, so I know how to train for these, and I used to be obese so I know the struggle all too well

[frozen kernel]

So fucking awesome to see people just making it fun, it doesn’t have to be weirdly sterile

[copper hawk]

To clarify what I meant with all those statements

[tidal berry]

hema is cool, I'd try it if it were a thing in here.

[violet hornet]

oh shit do you remember the "reject's guide to fitness" from darktide's early days? shit was hilarious

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[frozen kernel]

It reminds me of that Everybody Hates Chris episode where he struggled with math until someone explained it in baseball terms

[grizzled aspen]

I attempted doing ds3 in one night with the stipulation that:

every time I died, I did 10 pushups, 10 situps, and 1min of planking
and
every time a boss killed me, I would add 5 pushups, 5 situps, and 15s of planking to that

Pontiff gatekept me from finishing.

[copper hawk]

Do what u find fun then exercise wont be a chore for you - i only recommend running because all you need is water, clothes, and some shoes and you can exercise anywhere, any time

[hexed igloo]

If you want the Elden Beasts build you need 150000 calorie maintenance and you need to get extradimensionally jacked and somehow transfigure yourself into a weird cock dragon

[frozen kernel]

Sometimes it really is just how you view the thing as the problem. If turning it into a game or tying it to something you love works, there is no shame in that

[copper hawk]

The biggest dissuader from exercise is the commute to the spot where u do it

[grizzled aspen]

I died one time to the crystal sage before hitting Pontiff, then he, alone, beat the fuck out of me so mercilessly that I couldn't be bothered to continue playing.

[copper hawk]

Which is something to consider if you need to make a trip to go to the spot you want to swim at

[violet hornet]

this makes sense to me because I have had the most success walking from my house around the local lake and back

[copper hawk]

You could try running some days and swimming others so you're not dependent on the motivation to go to the swim spot

[hexed igloo]

Reasonable crashout pontiff took me well over 50 tries

[grizzled aspen]

I think by the time I put the controller down I was up to 29 deaths to him alone.

[copper hawk]

You also burn more calories in the cold anyways when you run - which is a benefit to swimming, as your body is constantly burning a lil extra calories to keep you warm in colder-than-ambient water

[visual stream]

For some reason Dancer was really easy for me to pick up

[grizzled aspen]

I couldn't keep up with the physical demand of the challenge, especially knowing the skill check after him was fucking Aldrich.

[copper hawk]

Byeah

[tidal berry]

I'm avoiding gym atm for transition reasons. It made me realize I've grown very reliant on those machines.

[violet hornet]

swimming also all kinds of muscles all over too which is nice

[grizzled aspen]

Cannot begin to describe how much I hate Aldrich.

[visual stream]

Pontiff hurt soul though

[frozen kernel]

Back in gymnastics one year we had like 32 people on the team, so one of the things we did for conditioning was forming a massive circle…holding a plank…and waiting for every person to get up one by one and run around the entire thing. If anyone broke we restarted from the beginning lmao

[hexed igloo]

I first tried Aldrich after getting rocked by pontiff 50+ times lmao

[tidal berry]

its just all around comfy, I don't even see it as exercise, just riveting feeling

[copper hawk]

Just run pooknificent, from one queer person to another ,, if u Get my Drift

[tidal berry]

[copper hawk]

Still Cis Tho Tee Em

Best results the fastest

[grizzled aspen]

Swimming was fun before I got too dense to float.

[frozen kernel]

I don’t think there was a boss in Ds3 that rocked my shit for any period of time except maybe like Midir because I was trying to fight him with a buddy

I watched 3 friends lose actual points of humanity IRL trying to beat Gael

[grizzled aspen]

Demon prince didn't beat the fuck out of you?

[hexed igloo]

Demon prince ain't shi

[copper hawk]

Yo mama aint shi

[frozen kernel]

Is that the twin demon thing you fight at the remnants of fire link?

[hexed igloo]

You right ong 🔥

[grizzled aspen]

Demon prince took years off my life what the fuck do you mean he wasnt shit?

[copper hawk]

[tidal berry]

All the more fun! Well, ok drowning is not fun, unless you're into it? .d Idk you get used to it

I've seen real thicc ppl swim very well

[grizzled aspen]

Demon in pain and demon in hatred, fight both at the same time. Ornstein and smough style, the one you kill 2nd determines the phase 2 moveset.

[frozen kernel]

If demon prince is the duo boss you fight in the Ringed City DLC one where you jump into the really big hole? Yeah not really no lol

[copper hawk]

I live in Cali and when I visit after deployments/on leave I do a ton of surfing still

[hexed igloo]

Took me 5 tries tops lmao, my struggles were pontiff, that one outrider at the door to the woods, and midir

[frozen kernel]

I don’t even think I paid attention to which one died first

[grizzled aspen]

I routinely got fucked into killing the wrong one and kept having to fight the instakill death laser one.

[copper hawk]

Best sport to do in the water paws down ,,

[hexed igloo]

I don't know which one is which I just swung on whoever came close

[grizzled aspen]

Imagine, if you will, midir, but faster, and you cant keep him in your camera.

[frozen kernel]

Allow me to introduce you to a weapon given to man by God https://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Yhorm's+Great+Machete

[grizzled aspen]

Funny thing, yhorm's great machete is one of the worst weapons in the game.

[hexed igloo]

Cringe real men use the dragonslayer axe

[grizzled aspen]

No they don't. Dragonslayer axe is for bubble blowing babies that can't make a build.

[frozen kernel]

Moveset goes

Light: Overhead
Heavy: Overhead

[hexed igloo]

I mostly used the dual katanas, onikiri and ubadachi + pyro

[frozen kernel]

Smooth brained small pp take, ignored

[grizzled aspen]

REAL men use the astora greatsword.

[frozen kernel]

Astora GS was pretty af but you were asking to be parried into oblivion with that trash weapon art

[hexed igloo]

My char looks like a pure dex build, so I'd have invaders try fight me like I'm a dex boy and roll straight into my sacred flame grab

[grizzled aspen]

Shrimply use the weapon art for rollcatching. (what it was meant for)

[frozen kernel]

My fav build was my pyromancer with the thrall axe

But my raw STR with yhorms machete fucking dumpstered in the arena

[hexed igloo]

Onikiri and ubadachi art on top, jump like 10m forward, stun, big damage, unparryable

[grizzled aspen]

I will poise you.

[frozen kernel]

Because people in Ds3 were silly and did not understand the concept of a “good trade” in PvP

[hexed igloo]

You can't the art has a little kick that has way too much stun for whatever reason lmao

[frozen kernel]

Black Knight GS weapon art into R1 combo kills like 85% of players

[grizzled aspen]

You don't understand how stomp works, then.

[hexed igloo]

It staggers someone in full iron dragonslayer armor

[hexed igloo]

I forget stomp poise exists sometimes

[grizzled aspen]

My weapon art is better than yours, makes me take less damage, and I'm gonna hit you REALLY hard.

Mfw 200 fucking poise or whatever it gave you:

[hexed igloo]

I have katanas with innate bleed + blood grease you will bleed in 2 hits idc

[tidal berry]

Sorry I'm only allowed weapons that are claymore shaped

[grizzled aspen]

Good thing you'll die if you attempt to hit me a 2nd time without healing.

[hexed igloo]

It will hit because jump also has comical hyper armor, we'll trade big hit

[grizzled aspen]

I know I'll survive, one bleed isn't enough to kill me. I know you wont, I have over 1k AR with this big fucking sword.

[hexed igloo]

**they trigger bleed in 2 light attacks lmao its actually stupid

[grizzled aspen]

Also stomp has this funny little interaction with status ailments where you take less while in the weapon art startup frames.

[hexed igloo]

If you roll, it does a quick swipe with both, which procs bleed instantly unless you have particularly high bleed res

[grizzled aspen]

Because it's literally intended for trading.

[tidal berry]

souls pvp is a cursed experiencce

[hexed igloo]

It really is, I only really did ds3 pvp tho

[tidal berry]

I do not participate, call me a coward, dont care

I'll do pvp in games meant for pvp and not added in there for spice

[frozen kernel]

I feel like this conversation is like “I’m gonna own u with my gothric winswords”

[hexed igloo]

Invasions suck ass dw dog iain here for name calling

[grizzled aspen]

Nothing cowardly about it, gank squads fucking suck and that's like 95% of ds pvp outside of arenas.

[frozen kernel]

Elden Ring killed invasions because it’s just fucking baby mode now. You can only invade someone with sufficient crutches (2 summons)

[hexed igloo]

Those gothric winswords kinda be like that tbh

[grizzled aspen]

Nah he just believes super hard in bleed when in reality I know I can tank it and probably oneshot him with my beeg fawkin sword.

[frozen kernel]

No they’re fucking trash and they’ve been trash for a long time. Their time has long passed

[hexed igloo]

Bro doesn't believe in the winswords 💀

[frozen kernel]

Because I actually played the game

[grizzled aspen]

Ok are we talking about the gotthard twinblades?

[frozen kernel]

I witnessed the rise and fall of many weapons in PvP as the updates rolled out

[grizzled aspen]

Like the paired ones?

[hexed igloo]

I don't like the moveset but damn if I haven't been shredded in less than a second by gotthard users

[grizzled aspen]

Oh yeah those, they're actually pretty decent as a fallback weapon on caster builds.

[hexed igloo]

Paired regular swords are cringe in this household we run ringed knight twin greatswords

[frozen kernel]

Gotthard winswords were stupidly strong at a point but at this point in the games life, they’re only decent now

[grizzled aspen]

I used to run them with the simple infusion for mana regeneration, because ds devs are silly and consider them as two items even when you only use one.

[frozen kernel]

But I won’t act like seeing someone with an outdated crutch makes me quake in my boots

[hexed igloo]

Seeing someone with rivers of blood these days tbh

Corpse piler fell off

[frozen kernel]

It’s like fearing moonlight in ER PvP at this point. Yeah it was stupid. Yeah it’s still stupid. But at this point it’s not really as devastating as it used to be

[grizzled aspen]

The fear from moonlight in ER at this point is strictly frostbite.

[hexed igloo]

I see someone with a regular ass sword I'm more scared of him than a RoB or moonlight user

[grizzled aspen]

Being frostbitten sucks really bad.

[grizzled aspen]

The baemore user on their way to rip you a new colon because you bullied his noob mage friend:

[frozen kernel]

Oh I realize now. You’re just living up to your username. Constantly 2 years behind any game’s meta lol

[hexed igloo]

I was poking fun at the people who still think RoB is meta?

[frozen kernel]

Were you? It seemed like a comment in earnest with uh…nothing around it to imply it was a meme

[hexed igloo]

My apolocheese for not being up to date with ds3 meta too, I haven't played it in like...........4 years

[grizzled aspen]

FROMSOFT, PUT DS3 ON SALE AGAIN SO I CAN PLAY ARCHTHRONES

[frozen kernel]

I haven’t played Ds3 in years either, but even by the point I stopped playing weapons like Gottards were not a problem

[tidal berry]

I decicded I actually want to enjoy myself so I'll get into monhun instead of souls this month

[hexed igloo]

I last did pvp in like 2017 or some shit like that

[grizzled aspen]

The meta in ds3 now, as far as paired weapons go, is sellsword twinblades, and will be, forever, because fromsoft won't touch the title again.

[frozen kernel]

I’m an insect glaive player

[hexed igloo]

Nightreign looks like it'll be fun for 3 hours, but wilds? I'll be pkaying that shit for years

[tidal berry]

heard the new beta is running like ass for ppl

[hexed igloo]

I hated IG in world, but damn I tried out the wilds IG and it might be my main

Everyone's hating on it being more grounded but I love it

[frozen kernel]

Its performance is weird. Frame Generation is doing a LOT of heavy lifting

[tidal berry]

well, I have a full amd pc, rip me. Tho technically amd has framegen, I just hate it.

[full nebula]

Sheesh Tanners discord server is fucking cringe

[hexed igloo]

Hot take I don't care about framegen if I can play the game at 60fps I'm happy

[frozen kernel]

My problem is that the controls are kind of wank, and I don’t like how the weapon has been turned into a glorified meter burn weapon like LS or DB

[tidal berry]

thats the thing, you're not getting 60 fps.

[frozen kernel]

Insect Glaive was a state weapon. You activated the state, then maintained it.

[hexed igloo]

"Erm you're actually getting 36fps that looks like 60fps" I don't care, and wilds is running 60fps on my rig

[frozen kernel]

Wilds IG wants you to constantly dump your load and get all 3 buffs back manually, constantly.

Ofc ideally they want you to use wounds for that, but in MP it gets annoying as fuck if people are greedy

[tidal berry]

what hardware do you have?

[hexed igloo]

Ryzen 5, 6900xt
It's also running off an hdd lmao

[tidal berry]

at... what resolution?

[rough galleon]

Can't wait for half of the screenshots I take being kinda shitty

[hexed igloo]

1080

[tidal berry]

Like actual real 1080P or is it like ''1080P but we upscaled it from 540P''?

[rough galleon]

By the time you load in the hunt is already finished

[hexed igloo]

It says 1080p

[frozen kernel]

Yeah my buddy was being a loser saying “wahhh I don’t wanna turn the resolution down 1080p is ugly” and I’m like “Brother the only reason I was able to play games for years was because I’d fucking artificially reduce the resolution in the .ini before games even had frame scaling”

[tidal berry]

Ok, do you have fsr on?

[hexed igloo]

Idk maybe

[tidal berry]

I'm so sorry

[hexed igloo]

I'm at work, so I don't have it on hand to check

[frozen kernel]

Benchmark also doesn’t have Denuvo

[hexed igloo]

I also don't give a shit if it is 720p that looks like 1080, it looks like 1080 and it runs well

[tidal berry]

Well I do have a modicum of standards so if its approaching unplayable I'm not paying money for it

[hexed igloo]

Oh I haven't been using the benchmark it's just been from the beta, I don't doubt it'll run worse with full release lmao

[frozen kernel]

Yeah this was always my mindset. I don’t care if there’s no shadows. I don’t care if the edges are jaggy. Just as long as I can play the game, my imagination will literally erase the imperfections

[tidal berry]

I don't think its unreasonable to ask high end hardware render games at a minimum 1080P resolution, upscaling is gonna be off

[frozen kernel]

Frame Gen turned itself off at one point and I noticed I was only getting like 60-70FPS in the desert area, then it shot straight back up to like 180 when I turned it on

I hate current developer over reliance on DLSS to make games actually run

[tidal berry]

Ever seen what FSR in darktide looks like on 1080P balanced (which is I think below 720P?), its... terrible, honestly. I'll take jaggies over that.

feels like lying to even call it an upscaler its really more like a fancy sharpening filter

[hexed igloo]

I don't touch graphics settings in dt if I do everything breaks

[tidal berry]

darktide is also terribly coded game. Vermintide runs better, looks better to this day still.

I just blame the modern focus on marketing gimmicks as if spending cpu/gpu budget on ray tracing has any value in a tide game, I hope the nvidia money was worth it to tencent though

[fleet zealot]

Yea but p2p sucks for me so im stuck between a dwarf and an ogryn so to speak

[tidal berry]

Its actually better than fatshark's servers, provided host is not halfway across the word or on mcdonald wifi

If darktide had a p2p mode ı'd have an objectively superior game experience on average.

[fleet zealot]

Or in one of the in-between places like montana

[tidal berry]

that sucks in that case

[fleet zealot]

Where if I’m hosting everyone else lags

If i join, usa e or usa w, i’m lagging, and then i can get randomly dc’d, or the host dcs

Or i host and then i dc and ruin it for 3 other people to

[tidal berry]

besides my point anyway, not like servers are used to improve the experience in DT rather just to push the live service model

it would improve the experience if they didn't cheap out on them

[fleet zealot]

I’d argue they failed at that attempt but they didn’t not attempt it

The predictive technology is insane when it works, very smooth for an action shooter

But the issue is the foundation being utter ass, not even the server quality themselves

The older parts of the engine can’t handle when something desyncs

[hexed igloo]

Raytracing is a gimmick tbh, just not at all necessary

Why yes I will have my game run significantly worse to make the light from a puddle reflect realistically

[tidal berry]

Its not exactly rocket science to give clients authority over hitreg but I've had this discussion before I feel like

[tidal berry]

It is a gimmick one you could look over in a better optimized game I think. It always boils down to that, deep in your gut you know that gimmick and sponsorhip was priority over shipping a finished product.

[hexed igloo]

I can overlook pretty much anything if the product is good

[frozen kernel]

At launch you had to manually disable Ray Tracing in some config file because the in game option didn’t actually disable it. Resulted in like 10-20 additional frames on cards that couldn’t even support the feature

[tidal berry]

I think I've had this feeling with every single swedish video game I have ever purchased and I've started to think being a liar runs in their blood

[north sedge]

Depends on the game

[hexed igloo]

Mods rip off his balls for racism

[tidal berry]

or maybe this is just what video games are like now and I'm too old to expect decency

I've been dealing with bugs that have been ''acknowledged'' and been ignored for years on end

[hexed igloo]

Video games in general kinda be like that, there's too many people with little experience or talent running into game dev and just making shitter after shitter

[fleet zealot]

Why is it “ignored”

[hybrid jewel]

But then it's easier to cheat so I don't think they'll do it.

[fleet zealot]

It’s acknowledged, they don’t exactly have a massive team to roll out fixes or do spring cleaning updates (tho i tell them to)

[hexed igloo]

I love spaghetti code I wish all games had stupid shit like jump height tied to framerate

[fleet zealot]

Or just make players look like they are cheating, the (de)sync code can go crazy, you can be shooting at a gunner but it actually ran the other way and it’s 9m to the right and shooting you

[tidal berry]

You're right I should expect a playable video game that doesn't macrostutter 30 times a minute to be a very hard fix indeed

[hard nexus]

24 centimeters of hero????

[fleet zealot]

Do you know the old psyker code

[hexed igloo]

No

[tidal berry]

I'll just blame amd instead, oh wait, I can just fucking play vermintide where these ''engine issues'' don't seem to exist? Or helldivers.

[fleet zealot]

Sounds like you should give them some information

[hexed igloo]

I miss the days where things like attack speed were tied to cpu clock speed

[lean cairn]

your mistake for buying amd

[hybrid jewel]

To be fair, this is just me in H40 at 300 ping and questionable packet loss.

[tidal berry]

I did, like many others. They don't care, and you only care to whiteknight for FS.

[rough galleon]

What's so fancy about his helmet

[tidal berry]

It works perfectly fine on every single game I own, I didn't make any mistake.

[fleet zealot]

Helldivers is a completely different game and they have stupid shit like terrain insta gibbing you or sending you into orbit

[hexed igloo]

Pick on someone your own size, not the huge multimilliondollar corporation 😡

[fleet zealot]

Says the chronic whiner

[tidal berry]

Its on the same engine, I threw that out there before you inevitably give me the ''its the engine'' excuse as part of your manifesto.

[hybrid jewel]

I get it on Intel+Nivida. Pretty sure is just my CPU.

[fleet zealot]

The issue isn’t picking on fatshark the issue is taking their slowness personally

[hexed igloo]

I love getting ragdolled by a missile and getting killed via flung spine-first into a sharp rock

[lean cairn]

i get it on nvidia too i just dont like amd

[tidal berry]

You're right, I apologize to the poor janitor trying to fix the code

[fleet zealot]

Yes there can be multiple issues at once

[hybrid jewel]

I know, Beans showed me many many vids of hilarious jetpack fails.

[hexed igloo]

I can't believe you're blaming these poor little devs nothing can be their fault its all because of the engine

You can't expect them to just learn the engine

[tidal berry]

I think there was an FPS game that did that and I kid you not apparently overclocking was a bannable offense

[fleet zealot]

Issues are caused by a monumental amount of smaller issues compounding, it isn’t some conspiracy that fatshark is somehow purposefully keeping the game buggy

[tidal berry]

do you want me to grab a dictionary and read you the definition of lazy now?

[fleet zealot]

I will say fshark is, bad at coding, or they need a fucking supervisor/editor/code reviewer

[hexed igloo]

Fatshark is keeping the game buggy to distract you from the real truth that the earth is flat

[hybrid jewel]

This is some special lvl of stupidity/idiocy.

[fleet zealot]

Back in the day the psyker code was like this

Warp Charges were called Souls in the code

Peril % was called warp charge in the code

[tidal berry]

yeah, its because the programmer was a special little cookie and tied the game physics to clock speed, apparently they did code games like this in the dinosaur era or something Idk

[hexed igloo]

Many games had very vital things tied to clock speed, there's some that are just unplayable nowadays because of it

[tidal berry]

Tying things down to your framerate is still pretty common btw, a lot of games break if you get absurd framerates.

[fleet zealot]

This led to many feats being bugged and broken because fatshark themselves were confused on their coding

[hybrid jewel]

I mean, have you seen Saints Row 2 on PC?

[hexed igloo]

Fatshark should just name every variable "warp charges"

I want there to be consequence minmaxing like enemy # spawned is affected by your cleave %

[tidal berry]

noh, but I've played plenty games where having high framerates can give you an unfair competitive advantage over someone that lets say, is locked to 60. An advantage besides just the extra information from lower input lag or having more data on your monitor. Things like better jump or movement tech that can break whats normally possible. Or even weapons that shoot faster.

[hybrid jewel]

POTS is still not working lul.

[hexed igloo]

Path of Texile S2?

[hybrid jewel]

You die by running up a tiny 1 inch board. Because fall damage and such is tied to your Cpu speed. Faster than OG Xbox is worse.

Physics, you know.

[hexed igloo]

Dark souls 2 jump height tied to framerate

[tidal berry]

lmao, not like console ports have gotten any better tbh

[hybrid jewel]

Also GL doing time limited missions when clockspeed for missions race down at 10x speed.

[hexed igloo]

I want to see an entire game written with nothing but else if statements

[fleet zealot]

Fo76

[misty nova]

Arcanum?

[hexed igloo]

Modern pc = skeletons with switches on their bows

[hybrid jewel]

Penetration of the Soul.

[hexed igloo]

I did that to your mom

[tidal berry]

Idk how people enjoy that ''game''. At least swedes make half decent games worth my time. Idk what bethesda does.

[hexed igloo]

Also how the fuck does bro know about Arcanum lmao

[tidal berry]

Does 76 still have that framerate lock? Was it 60 fps?

[fleet zealot]

My friends got me to play it, it was terrible

[tidal berry]

Like skyrim gets re-released so many times on PC and it always has that 60 frame lock, lazy ah devs

[fleet zealot]

Actually just worse, jankier fo4

[hybrid jewel]

Seriously? Just how immature of a manchild can you be?

[hexed igloo]

Very

???? Why bro pressed about that lmao

[grand tangle]

found a ferret gif so i figured i'd post it here
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lV_xuYq3HmhFd28inGI72X7WWLRa75K4eaFnzGp1jx4/https/media.tenor.com/FajdMWTR8jgAAAPo/ferret.mp4

why did the gif copy as an mp4

[hexed igloo]

Discrod moment

[misty nova]

Pongsifu's video

[hexed igloo]

BASED PONG VIEWER LESSSSGOOOOOO

[misty nova]

[fleet zealot]

Did you know that ferret

She is, pregante in that gif, hence the extra waddle like movement

[grand tangle]

nope just saw a funny ferret gif in another server and thought this chat might enjoy it

[misty nova]

It only has 2 sprites for movement

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-phone-play-iphone-mustelid-gif-23374309

[long oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297199640931991648/1299942320753606737/crackbert3.gif

[crimson ravine]

Does restoring faith count for toughness damage taken or only health damage

[hard nexus]

health

[crimson ravine]

Cool thanks

Was thinkin that'd be kinda op if you could get healed by toughness chips lol

[zinc talon]

he's not listening to his helmet while he keeps heretics away
He's doing the 'DJ' dance move
and now you can't unsee it

[frozen kernel]

T-TURN UP THE MUSIC. P-PUMP UP THE BASS-BASS-BASS

https://tenor.com/view/terry-crews-dance-rave-party-hard-gif-11961973

Me on vent purg sniper gauntlet

[crimson ravine]

Does zealot have an extra-wide hitbox
I swear trappers get me around corners and when I dodge way more on zealot

[frozen kernel]

Trappers are just living in the movie Wanted rn. This update seems worse than usual for weird corner shots

[crimson ravine]

yeeeeeaaaah

[frozen kernel]

I know some folks are getting mutie grabbed a lot more frequently but I’ve been fortunate on that front

[crimson ravine]

Muties I just charge heavy them before they grab me so y'know
Don't get the opportunity to even try lol

[misty glen]

What's the difference between increased impact strength and increased stagger?

[fleet zealot]

Stagger damage isn’t a thing

But no there isn’t a difference, stagger is impact and impact is stagger

[misty glen]

Oops. Just stagger lol

[zinc talon]

that is more an internet latency issue with the server I would guess

I had the misfortune of playing with some BRITISH(gross) players on an EU matchmaking server

[opal star]

I'm so sorry you had to experience that

[zinc talon]

`

this sorta stuff loves to happen when your ping hits that transatlantic sweet spot

[sullen forge]

Ogryn hitbox summarized in 2 frames

[crimson ravine]

I'm playing on my native server so I don't think its that
unless fatshark's AU server is dying

[sullen forge]

got me fucked up

[bitter anvil]

I couldn't find the toy that cranking the torsion spring does bobbing moving forward.

That's how I describe the Ferret moving

[reef horizon]

Is the combat axe a decent choice on zealot

[spare talon]

as long as its not achlys and has brutal momentum yes

[reef horizon]

So the Rashad and antax are good?

[sullen forge]

Holy based

[spare talon]

rashad is ideal, with ht/brutal momentum

[reef horizon]

Why is this a god role I don’t get it

[lunar fable]

[hard nexus]

abysmal dogshit?

[modern lintel]

the abomination

[hard nexus]

its a random's weapon

[reef horizon]

Ah lol

[sullen forge]

The match in question

Consensus: Taxe 7 is goated

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jGvScFMH7JU97MyWX?invite=cr-MSxYdW8sMTA3NDAxNTczLA

@hard nexus Forgot to show you this also

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jEHpuW9vzdCEFlbGK?invite=cr-MSxDTzUsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[sullen forge]

Holy collateral

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jFaxsDEFQfQD7_euf?invite=cr-MSxtRDAsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[nimble fiber]

[polar nexus]

Literally a mag-net

[twin wagon]

Nothing like having to clean your steam profile because someone is passing a photoshopped image of you doing a big no...over loosing an argument on the steam forums

[sterile stone]

Buddy said loosing

[nimble fiber]

looosing

[sterile stone]

The English language out here catching more strays than PETA

[obsidian prairie]

English catches them intentionally as far as I can tell

[midnight ermine]

Can i get any of you to help me with the "just a flesh wound penance"?

[remote lark]

i hate helping with that penance... i have ptsd..

@midnight ermine i can get on in a few minutes

[midnight ermine]

That would be nice

I need something to take my mind off the fact i just accidentally spent a ton of money buying this dumbahh torso armor while checking out the commissar

I didn't even mean to buy it, the pious lazars torso

[median steeple]

Crush you like bug

[ornate bone]

Ehhh still getting ready to do this one maybe next year or so 🙃

[midnight ermine]

Maybe you can join and we can both get it done together

[ornate bone]

I'm at work right now

[midnight ermine]

They never warned me one of the hardest parts is just finding people to help with it

[ornate bone]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17igjmm/any_updated_guides_to_just_a_flesh_wound_penance/

Maybe this will help

My hell is "make every shot count"

[midnight ermine]

Still have the problem of needing another player who can help since first some reason private games need at least two people

[midnight ermine]

Another bs penance. Fatshart really sucked with these

[ornate bone]

Cause I don't play much on lower difficulty

[midnight ermine]

What difficulties do you play on

[ornate bone]

Usually auric missions

Heresy and damnation

[remote lark]

alright im logging in

[ornate bone]

I just get to bored with lower

[midnight ermine]

Still planning on getting on?

[remote lark]

yeah remind me of the exact requirements for flesh wound

[ornate bone]

And just grab penances along the way

Ok may the Emperor be with you

[midnight ermine]

Complete a mission on heresy or above with less than one wound of health within 20 mins in a private game

[remote lark]

[midnight ermine]

Lotta requirements

I'm running a martyrdom build for this exact reason

[jovial cosmos]

Its free on the train mission

[remote lark]

twins is the easiest way.

[midnight ermine]

Yet i can never seem to get the train mission, And because fatshart sucks i cant choose to do it

[jovial cosmos]

Get down to one wound at the start, and then just clear like normal

[midnight ermine]

Are you able to speedrun twins?

[remote lark]

yes

[midnight ermine]

Then i have faith we could do this

After all, how bad can it be?

[remote lark]

the last time i helped someone with this they kept dying and it took me three hours.

[midnight ermine]

I will try my best

[remote lark]

anybody feel like helping so the twins die faster

[midnight ermine]

I'd appreciate anyone helping

I couldn't find a single person

[fiery ingot]

what server you guys on

[remote lark]

us

[midnight ermine]

Me too

[fiery ingot]

well i can only help wishing you good luck then

[midnight ermine]

Why?

[fiery ingot]

cause im too far away from your server to be able to help

[twin wagon]

Isn't it technically NA?

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-overture-dlc-cat-gif-17158621775755766975

[tawdry leaf]

idm helping before i sleep if you still need help

[midnight ermine]

We haven't started yet so yeah we'd appreciate the help

[tawdry leaf]

alright

[midnight ermine]

The more people we have the better

[tawdry leaf]

hopping on now

[midnight ermine]

Damn i didn't even know the nerfed the hell out of CoSF. 60 seconds base cd is insane

[remote lark]

sure

[midnight ermine]

Guys want me to use any specific ability? Using CoSF rn

[tame sluice]

it was complete dogshit before it got nerfed

[midnight ermine]

What

How was it worse before a nerf

[remote lark]

join us, my nubmers in my name

[remote lark]

we call that book by the way xD
feel free to bring it it'll help

[tame sluice]

No I mean it was already bad, and got nerfed and is now worse

[midnight ermine]

Can i ask why? Its not a book

[tame sluice]

the icon is a book

[remote lark]

aka relic

[midnight ermine]

@remote lark should i join this vc?

[remote lark]

we aren't in vc we're just chatting in the in game chat

DID THEY REMOVE THE TWINS SKIP?

[jovial cosmos]

Should still be there, but whoever hosted hasnt unlocked it yet

[remote lark]

are the twins unyielding

[jovial cosmos]

Should be ye

[remote lark]

they removed the bell but the left one now does the skip instead of the right one (removed)

[jovial cosmos]

Wat

Why

[fiery ingot]

NEW COSMETICS OUT

well, not that new actually

[tight fog]

oh they're all old

[fiery ingot]

yee

still, i now have a reason to buy the dueling sword skin in the psyker tab

[tight fog]

hell yeah, its a cool skin

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-overture-dlc-gif-1031739412865332756

[remote lark]

i think i found a bug

got progress on this from someone elses nades despite it specifically stating my nades

[tight fog]

ya another zealot can use their jade's fr sure, I've helped some ppl get the penance that way

U lob some nades and they unload flamer, done

U can even both jump off a ledge and fail the mission and they keep the penance

[remote lark]

hits u with rock

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-fall-bryan-cranston-cry-dying-gif-7619047

[signal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-arrow-marvel-guardiansofthegalaxy2-ravagers-gif-14617100

[lean lark]

what do you think the new rathalos variant is

[copper hawk]

Work from 1330 to 2200 ,, wake up for 0430 formation 2 work from 0530 to 1430

[frosty herald]

maybe a lightning rathalos

[copper hawk]

Already worked 7 days ,, scheduled for 7 more

[lean lark]

it definitely has something to do with you know who, or maybe its something with the black flame from the trailer

[frosty herald]

i saw a theory that arkveld changes a monster's elemental affinity and im 100% sure the infused rathalos has something to do with the endgame

[lean lark]

sir? your 30th rathalos&rathian variants for endgame.

lightning armors usually look good, so does rathalos, i am hoping for a 10/10 cook from the design team on armors

[hidden grove]

are throwing knifes going to violate "up close and personal" penance?

[copper hawk]

Lobster Punter Milds

[frosty herald]

i just hope monsters that didnt show up in world get their gunner armor as the beta variants

G rank gunner armor for gore magala looks so insanely good

[remote lark]

@midnight ermine @tawdry leaf

[tawdry leaf]

okay vrchat furry

[midnight ermine]

Rookie numbers

[remote lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1126989259132383353/dtdontcare.gif

[tawdry leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1322851693037355059/1339143136286474271/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.02.12_-_02.54.36.112.DVR_-_Trim.mp4?ex=67aef73b&is=67ada5bb&hm=98f400ad8ceba42779c83aeab8c44b0b331c32bfed5e33d5eca98fea2a1a217d&

[final mural]

zealot space program my beloved

[placid fiber]

Never skip leg day:

[ornate bone]

Every time Im flying away I think barells could be used for speed runing

Or just crossing fast long distance

[candid shuttle]

Me omw to get fucking mauled

I keep fucking dying I've got second wind and dodging

[ornate bone]

And if you stand on barell what direction do you go ?

[placid fiber]

Yes

[jovial cosmos]

Tbf you couldve seen that one coming

[placid fiber]

Yeah, it was already on fire lol

[ornate bone]

It always gamble

The barell has defined time to explode?

[candid shuttle]

I think I'm going to kill myself atp I can't play chaxe fury zealot without getting downed left right center

[ornate bone]

The most funny thing is when you accidently (or not) shot the barell and your teammate goes flying

But good enough there is sometimes so much chaos that they don't know it was you

I love explosions and I have this inner urge to set barells on 🔥

[midnight ermine]

Is the martyrdom zealots even really that good

[tame mirage]

@frosty herald

[midnight ermine]

I'm always using it

[ornate bone]

Zi think you need specific gear for it to work but I've see martyrdom zealots that are really good

[tame sluice]

it's one of the highest damage boosts in the entire game so uh yeah

[ornate bone]

But usually they have max wounds

[tame sluice]

as you should

[ornate bone]

I think you can be ultimate tank with this build

[midnight ermine]

Just needed the confirmation

Been thinking about trying out a nice blazing piety build tho

[misty nova]

Wildly enough it scales insanely according to players skill

[ornate bone]

I prefer my self fury zealot with Crit combat knife and shotgun I always like to move a lot

[midnight ermine]

Is that not every single build

[tame sluice]

martyrdom and SG psyker are the ones that scale the most with player skill

[misty nova]

Not really Piety is just RNG maxing

[tame sluice]

since they both offer extremely high but difficult to maintain damage boosts and are quite frail

[misty nova]

99% of Piety users quit before they crit

[midnight ermine]

Maybe i been playing too much borderlands but isn't the full potential dmg boost of martyrdom like 56%

all my borderlands-maxxing has rotted my brain because 56% isn't high number

Ahh borderlands, where you can get 400% damage boosts

[tame sluice]

the 25% damage boosts you put pon weapons are important for breakpoints

56% is two of them for every single health type on top of their damage boost, and the rest of zealot tree

[ornate bone]

I also did try inexorable one but could not handle the speed with fury

But i love it with 2h weapons

[midnight ermine]

56% is only the potential max. On heresy and above you have one less wound

[tame sluice]

yeah where it's only 48

[midnight ermine]

Which sucks, means martyrdom just gets nerfed (idk where the console came from)

[misty nova]

It's high for dt standards
Every other boost is like 10, 15, 25, 33, 55, 60%
Then we have Deadly Accurate with 100%
MF with 150%

[grand tangle]

Bro was super saiyan shitting

[tame sluice]

yeah but those two aren't direct damage boosts they scale differently

[midnight ermine]

Is 48% high for DT standards?

[tame sluice]

extremely high yes

[midnight ermine]

Yeahh all that borderlands had definitely rotted my brain then

[tame sluice]

I think Martyrdom is either the largest individual damage boost in the game, or the 2nd highest

ogryn charge can theoretically give 50% if you hit 25 enemies for it but it has an 8 second duration

[midnight ermine]

What can i say, krieg gets like 500% from his action skill, like 800% from a skill, then 100% from another skill. Man i love krieg, best BL2 character

[misty nova]

And competes with bleed charge

[tame sluice]

it's a good thing bleed charge is very weak competition then

[misty nova]

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-lies-of-p-overture-lop-lies-of-p-dlc-lies-of-p-cat-gif-10479143286909710159

[tame sluice]

Psyker Disrupt Destiny is 25% damage, 50% crit damage, and 62.5 weak spot damage with all 25 stacks

[misty nova]

Just save yourself 1 point and don't pick bleed charge nor boost charge

[tame sluice]

Scriers Gaze is 40% damage, and +30% finesse

[tame sluice]

It's ogryn though what the hell else am I gonna spend my skill points on

[misty nova]

Idk
Too stubborn to die or something

Or even steady grip, that one is a comfort pick

[tame sluice]

i have steady grip and still have nothing better to spend my skill points on

[misty nova]

Well, Too Stubborn to die then

[tame sluice]

I would rather not die when I could be doing potentially sometimes, for 8 seconds 50% more damage

[remote lark]

what's downing u

[candid shuttle]

Mainly stalkers

[remote lark]

..how

[candid shuttle]

I've got 2 gunner resist curios I have no idea what's killing me

[remote lark]

Show me your build.
Stalkers aren't gunners.

[hidden grove]

if you don't know what's killing you and it's happening often you getting bonked by critters

[solar gorge]

the devious single groaner behind you :

[remote lark]

mood

[placid fiber]

is this havoc or non-havoc? cause in havoc the basic gunners are dangerous

[candid shuttle]

Non havoc

[remote lark]

I doubt it's havoc if he's using chaxe lol

[candid shuttle]

I just keep going down

[hidden grove]

groaner running lunge is the #1 newbie killer

[remote lark]

Post your build@candid shuttle

[misty nova]

Guess you could say that you're
Too Stubborn To Die

[candid shuttle]

Brb gonna get the build

[remote lark]

sideeye

[hidden grove]

they are not conditioned by the sound yet

[placid fiber]

Same for the singular lone poxwalker from behind lol

[remote lark]

True thar and vackstab sound

Dude playing melee gunker has made me so much better at zealot

I went from zealots insane 70% toughness damage reduction and crazy toughness generation, to playing a melee hyper aggressive psyker build with 5-25% damage reduction and practically base toughness regen

Went back to zealot and I'm untouchable

Crazy how much I block/ push now

Push especially. It's so broken, I spent hundreds of hours just using it wrong

[candid shuttle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e33d69c-1a6c-49f1-a131-901b0bb936b8/blood-for-the-god-emperor-3

[remote lark]

I hear a single decibel of sound behind me and I instantly turn and push, new habit has saved me from sooo mych

[remote lark]

[placid fiber]

🤢

[hidden grove]

peak

[placid fiber]

I clicked and looked at the talent tree: instant regret lol

[remote lark]

okay so im going to get up on my pc really quick because this deserves a litlte more than just a build fix

[candid shuttle]

Oh wait shit this was an older one

[midnight ermine]

Careful, they may need your help with just a flesh wound

[placid fiber]

@fleet zealot look at this chain axe build

[remote lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/677588839736541206/1085364035861614602/uncaption.gif

i need to make a chaxe build anyway for my guide..

what's the horde clear and single target combo for mk3 chaxe i can't log in right now

[placid fiber]

the mk4? iirc it's heavies and the push attack

[remote lark]

can you go check

[placid fiber]

for the mk12 it's light spam

[remote lark]

mk4 has better horde clear

[placid fiber]

the lights are single target, I know that much

lights on the mk4 auto saw

That means the mk4 has the cleaving heavies and push attack

[midnight ermine]

Thinking of possibly using a thunder hammer instead if a relic sword for my build

[remote lark]

whats the order then heavy PA or PA heavy

[placid fiber]

You would need to ask bandit that, I don't know

[remote lark]

th worst weapon in game
its a boss killing meme stick

[placid fiber]

autopistol, mk1 devil's claw:

[remote lark]

i meant melee, and dclaw can at least kill hordes without you exploding !

[placid fiber]

so can the thammer if used right lol

[midnight ermine]

The hammer?

[hidden grove]

the hammer's got a pretty good heavy clear, the right mk that is

[placid fiber]

Crucis has horde control, ironhelm has horde clear

[remote lark]

yup its bad

[placid fiber]

thammer just doesn't vibe with lumi

[remote lark]

well, i'd say its not BAD bad, but compared to every other melee zealot has, its COMPARATIVELY bad

[midnight ermine]

Weren't you just using the thing earlier

[placid fiber]

when horde clear alone is taken into account*

[remote lark]

yes :)

[remote lark]

nope there are also better weapons for carapace enemies, and the dueling sword has very similar boss TTK considering the unwieldiness of the weapon

the one thing it shines at there are MUCH better weapons that can perform almost identically

[placid fiber]

Gee... the dueling sword... hmm... wonder how a broken weapon can do that >.>

[remote lark]

literally

[hidden grove]

waiit what ds4 def kill crushers faster but there's no way it's got the same boss dps

[placid fiber]

It can, it's busted

[hidden grove]

all I know is I pretty much remember hammer taking out 1/3 boss hp in one hit

[placid fiber]

Takes like 2 seconds to do

[remote lark]

consider this: excluding nurgles, you are never getting shroudfield off properly outside of psych

you're probably never hitting cspawn in the head either cause of how much it fucks with your position

thammer can't 2shot bosses even with double fotf thrust any more

so after fotf is gone, thammer takes afew more swings to kill plogryns/cspawn/dhosts, but DS4 is VERY consistent

inside of psych, yeah, you hit shit with the hammer and it dies, but the plogryn and maybe dhost with crucis is the only one you'll consistentl yeven get headshots on with a thrust thammer

[placid fiber]

Well yes... THE MOST BROKEN MELEE WEAPON IN THE GAME can match a weapon that specializes in boss damage... no fucking way

[remote lark]

i mained the weapon for al ong time becuase i thought ing bosses was really really funny

[hidden grove]

nah you guys are capping, I'm loading up psych right now

[remote lark]

yeah thats my point
the ds4 exists, making the one thing thammer users shine at irrelevant

obviously if you enjoy the weapon you can still take it

but we were talking strictly about the weapon being bad

[remote lark]

they heavily nerfed uny damage on hammer
you can't oneshot anything other than a burgle now

[hidden grove]

been poking bosses with ds4 forever that dmg is not anything impressive

[placid fiber]

without perfection shroudfield + set up*

[remote lark]

what blessings

[hidden grove]

the crit and armor pen or charge

[remote lark]

no, you need perfection shroud setup to oneshot burgle

you can't oneshot any bosses with perfecet setup any more

[placid fiber]

with set up and marty you can, iirc on a plague ogryn

You need headtaker and sustained stacks tho

maybe a damage stim too

[placid fiber]

You said "with perfecet setup" :3

So that would include all buffs and any stims :3

[hidden grove]

yeah no, that's a charged heavy right to the butt, no fotf or anything

that's a poke to the butt 😂

[remote lark]

kid named attack speed

also why are you not hitting head with ds;
my point was that thammer head during a cspawn fight is actually.. really hard
ds is super easy

[hidden grove]

well you said no weak spot they are hard to hit outside of psych

[remote lark]

well, i more meant with thammer because of thrust windup time being rlly annoying to time with cspawns rotation

thrust on ds is really easy cause of its broken dodges

[remote lark]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jGGnYzwOOkQwIhYRh?invite=cr-MSxqQXEsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA

[placid fiber]

No head

[remote lark]

you said "perfect setup"

[hidden grove]

there is a fully charged poke to the face

[remote lark]

how about i just record ttks for each weapon vect

gimme a second

maybe i'm wrong idk
lets see here

[hidden grove]

now I'm not a hammer cultist or anything, and I certaintly wish ds4 can match it killing boss, that would make it easier for me

[grizzled aspen]

This conversation is making my brain hurt.

[hidden grove]

but the poke stick is not even close lol 😂

[plucky gate]

how about you actually turn on their aggro and race each other?

[grizzled aspen]

You both are forgetting something crucially important to why ds4 is so broken. Duellist and it's interaction with crits and headshots.

Hammer doesn't get nearly the same finesse or crit benefits that ds4 does.

[placid fiber]

This was without sustained assault or headtaker stacks, or a damage stim

[remote lark]

i'm not, because ds is comparable without duelist proccing

[grizzled aspen]

Amplify those benefits further with thrust to get your dummy damage.

[remote lark]

Huh.

[grizzled aspen]

Man is dead.

[placid fiber]

I might have 1 shot it if I had 10% weakspot damage lol

1 light from the front does it, afterwards

[remote lark]

I killed both bosses three times.
Thammer average ttk: 24 seconds
Dueling sword average ttk: 22 seconds.

No FOTF. Martyr hammer, IJ DS. No duelist buff.

Hammer should just win a damage race, but it doesn't, even on the boss it should rlly hit the most easily, even landing a few headshots

Now imagine landing every hit with a thrust thammer on a cspawn or dhost. You'll chunk your hp just trying, lol

[placid fiber]

So they are about equal on the ttk, interesting... the most broken weapon vs a way less broken one >.>

[grizzled aspen]

without duellist

[remote lark]

now imagine ds with duelist and fotf for its crits

[jaunty lava]

Wait zealots can use ds4 now?

[remote lark]

one hit.

[placid fiber]

I mean... if I had duellist when I just did my test it would have been a clean 1 shot... same for sustained or headtaker stacks now that I think about it...

[frosty herald]

sadly

[grizzled aspen]

You been living under a rock?

[placid fiber]

but yeah the dueling sword is broken...

[jaunty lava]

My rock is called college yeah

[grizzled aspen]

That's valid.

[remote lark]

Fairly well buffed thammer hit for comparison:
With attack speed difference ds just.. shreds it.

[hidden grove]

it's 18sec on hammer and 23sec on ds4 here for me, lot closer than I thought tbh

[remote lark]

yeah, now test it with duelist and fotf.
I used uncanny/thrust

[placid fiber]

but yeah: 1 stack of sustained and headtaker: 1 shot >.>

[misty nova]

Since UnL. Vets can also use it

[placid fiber]

I shot a second one to show that it was damnation hp

[frosty herald]

you can pump damage on dueling sword a LOT higher these are all low damage examples

[placid fiber]

huh... it is way easier than I thought to consistently 1 shot plague ogryns, with 6 marty stacks

[remote lark]

plogryn noooooooooo

[hidden grove]

you use 2x fotf hammer can 3-4 shot it in the butt 😂

[remote lark]

i think i almost 2 phased one of the twins earlier when i was doing them for someone with ds4

i wonder if thammer can oneshot one of them..

[placid fiber]

Daemonhost only requires the marty stacks lol

[jaunty lava]

What difficulty lol

[placid fiber]

damnation, for these 1 shots :3

[remote lark]

huhhhh?
I spent like, hours testing this after the nerf hit, and i couldn't oneshot them with perfect setup

[jaunty lava]

For the twins guys

[remote lark]

was there a buff to the hammer i missed?

[plucky gate]

Do you have unyielding?

[remote lark]

i should shoot you for even asking me that

[fiery ingot]

Do you tho

[placid fiber]

.

[remote lark]

maybe thammer got buffed

[placid fiber]

You can see I have 3 wound curios, due to 7 wounds

[plucky gate]

i dont think it did

[jaunty lava]

It got nerfed a while ago

[remote lark]

that's strange, maybe i did something silly with my build when i was testing for breakpoints

cause i loooooved the thammer and i was trying for hours to oneshot bosses other than burgle

[plucky gate]

maybe you forgot purge the unclean or something

[remote lark]

you know what, maybe that was it..
i commissioned someone for a mod that turned shroudfield icon into

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile I was curious and I went and did it in 30 seconds xD

[remote lark]

story of my life

[placid fiber]

I think the 20% backstab damage is what sells it

[remote lark]

anyway i got majorly sidetracked, lemme finish this build for john

[remote lark]

no i did that, you need the backstab for shroudfieldsdamage

[placid fiber]

I have both 25% unyielding and purge the unclean on a crucis thammer

It did take 6 marty buffs, tho, so it was at no small cost

[remote lark]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e33e4d6-55e9-4e2d-9d75-a97b2540f08e/meta-chainaxe-build
@candid shuttle
First all, bleed sucks and is bad on almost every weapon with bleed blessings.

Secondly, the weapon uses push attacks so it needs a stamina curio not a health curio, and double toughenss instead of a wound.
As for the subchoices, ability regen is terrible due to how it functions (you dont get as much value as you think), and 3 gunner resists with 1 sniper to prevent oneshots would be helpful for you.

Thirdly, the stun nade and everything above it is HORRIBLE.
If you take throwing knives, you'll never need a pistol to shoot specialists ever again. That frees you up for crazy aggressive choices like the Boltgun, that can instantly kill 4 crushers a mag, or the flamer, which has the best horde clear in the game.

Fourthly, you missed the node Duelist, which is INSANELY broken and gives zealot crazy damage.

Fifthly, you missed Sustained Assault as a node on the bottom right, which is just a free 25% total damage increase.

[placid fiber]

Finally, some good fucking food

[placid fiber]

the last time I tested this, iirc, I didn't have the 20% backstab damage so I was much futher off... so every single talent counts :/

Now that I think of it... you can probably get a 1 shot with 1 stack of disdain against a plague ogryn... without any headtaker or sustained stacks with 6 marty buffs

[vale trellis]

Can i get an opinion from yall? I have been arguing with a few of my friends, who all say that base thunder hammer, not leveled in mastery, is better than relic blade at the same level. Are they right or wrong?

[placid fiber]

Uh... the relic blade probably is better without blessings and perks or perfected stats

the thammer is very blessing, stat, and perk reliant

[vale trellis]

I was saying the same thing, yet they all said hammer was better

[hidden grove]

not leveled in mastery..like 300 white weapons?

[placid fiber]

Yeah probably

[vale trellis]

Yea

[placid fiber]

a 300 it is up in the air, it depends on the sat rolls... the thammer is still blessing and perk reliant tho

[hidden grove]

just get a ds4, it's always the answer

[placid fiber]

^ lol

[vale trellis]

I personally prefer relic, since I've got mine maxed out, but I have tried the hammer. Its just not for me, but me trying the hammer spawned the argument lol

[placid fiber]

The thammer requires you to have a feel for it to really do that good with

If you aren't feeling it, you probably won't use it well

[vale trellis]

I figured that out quick lol. I'm not good with it

[remote lark]

it's not.
the relic blade munches shit at grey.
It was used to do the worlds first grey-only havoc 40.

[placid fiber]

^

thammer is very blessing and perk reliant, same for build reliant as well

[vale trellis]

Cool. I now have my answer to take back to my buddies. Thx yall

[daring zenith]

what's the best stats setup for combat knife in a stealth build ? 👀

[misty nova]

Riposte Precognition

[daring zenith]

i mean the 80 and 60 thingies

[placid fiber]

mobility as the dump stat, the other 4 at 80%

[daring zenith]

👀

[misty nova]

Mobility at 60 always

[daring zenith]

even if im trying to roleplay for the various backstab and loner penances?

[misty nova]

Now lemme tell you something heretical af
You can dump Penetration as long as you have Uncanny Strike blessing

[placid fiber]

^ This is possible, but not exactly recommended

And they runnnnnn runnn so far awayyyyyyyyyyyy

[hidden grove]

there are exceptions of couse, key among them ds4

[placid fiber]

which can dump cleave damage

[daring zenith]

yes i wanna roleplay as that one guy who disappears in the map alone

[stone fern]

@remote lark are u ready for the next relic tech?

[full nebula]

Foot assault

[grizzled aspen]

Your friends are dumb.

Apples to oranges type argument, can't even fairly compare them because they serve different purposes. Relic blade is a far better generalist tool though.