#zealot-class
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When I was a kid, Tropical Storm/Hurricane Irene knocked out power for like 16 days. Thankfully the weather was mild but having little food and having to travel to charge devices every 3 days was um…shite
Does nowhere in EU get hurricanes or tornados?
I mean not where I live
we don't rly have anything dangerous besides people honestly
Is it the smug diva one or the dude with the sunglasses?
What guide? Scourge almost 100% references the talent that makes you bleed enemies with crits, then builds crit chance when you hit bleeding enemies.
oh i see, just found it thanks
the zealot meta build guide in the pins
The dude with the white hair
Wanted to ask you, who’s that in your pfp?
the smug diva looks like an egyptian prince
No idea, was just a random image I found when looking for a new pfp. It's a dude and that' about all I know.
He’s very pretty and was wondering if he came from a series. Though he does look kinda like Asra from the Arcana

I don't have it on my laptop
I think my old pfp is on my phone
I mean those are good for you if you have an actually balanced diet
that said idk wtf america does with its dairy
Buddy of mine in Hou goes to a farmer's market, showed me a picture of rootbeer float milk
wha
They sell the stuff in glass jugs
I would rather eat a cricket
the rootbeer sweet cream shakes from A&W go hard but you're definitely trading some life span for that shit
I FOUND THE IMAGE
wait beer and milk actually works?
Nothing good
now send it in here! 
It's not beer, it's moreso high amount of sugar
Check ping
Atleast you know I wasn't lying
He told me there's other flavors of custom milk they sell, like a blue color looking one, no idea what the flavor is
blueberries
mooberry
I just showed Az the amount of insane flavors they have
Pumpkin spice milk all the way to blueberry milk, to Pina Colada
the Horchata would actually go hard
Horchata with some churros
yeeee
shiiiit now I crave something sweet
huehuehue
i need horchata NOW
Dear diary: bad mode still on, will show up tomorrow to check again 
im always too scared to try mexican restaurant horchata cause those places are always filthy
listen
the food is always worth
i found a shimp in my beans once and ate it no questions asked
never punished, definitely got cursed by some elder god though so watch out for that
@sterile stone Trying out The Tomb seeing I finally got time
It reminds me of shang ri la
aaaah I wanna send a gif so bad
Couple years ago we would be ranking hot sauce at 02:00. Zelchat late night milkposting was inevitable
If city living has taught me anything, it’s that an absolutely decrepit looking foreign themed restaurant staffed by Asians will often be the most divine cuisine
YO MAMA
god damn I should buy fried duck with noodles and peanut sauce again
Gooo ni gay lil glooperz inside my cellular device 
LET ME OUT AAAAH I WANNA BE FREEEE
I think boltpistol has become my main ranged weapon for zealot XD
what is the point of dueling sword special attack?
It staggers literally everything except bosses on weak spot hit - including attacking crushers and maulers
dayum
Wow the Death Perception perk augments are horrendously mediocre, and I genuinely like the concept of this perk ever since it was made in BO4
It's useless because it doesn't have the value it did in cold war because vulture aid exists.
I literally only see myself running Further Insight and Death Stare thats literally it
I actually need to look back into the augs, wa too focused on the skins
They're all so fucking horrendously situational or bad that Further Inisght which literally just increases the Wallhack sight range and Death Stare which gives you a chance to instakill on low health enemies with your element are like the only good one, Critical eye is if you're bad at the game cause it makes Body shots have a chance to crit aka headshot
what is the dumpstat for a thunder hammer?
mobi/defense always
(in this case its defenses)
(also its not always mob/defenses, some weapons dump more useless stats, like collateral on recons)
psyker weapons will frequently dump warp res
What's the havoc 40 meta for zealot
ds4, flamer, chorus
i have the build let me grab it
Wats ds4 and I want a chart on how to build him and wat should I put on my curios,.. I appreciate u man
Dueling sword
just realized i cant screenshot
Aww man is there a site to go look at the build
ye im putting it there now
iirc this is it assuming i didn't fuck with it after dorn gave it to me
it's very book spammy but if you just want an h40 clear it wont matter
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e150ae0-0bd2-479a-b077-4abd183b7aeb/h40-zealot-meta-apparently
don't uh
don't mind the thumbnail for it 
I've got havoc forged but I wanna go for true survivor and to give me the best shot I want the best build .. thanks a ton man
no problem
Pen flames, I'm going to eat your face.
that's LITERALLY what it is
Then Dorn is washed asf. You don't take pen flames. Anything your flamer struggles to kill isn't worth the ammo spent killing it.
it's havoc it's going to struggle regardless because everything is a tank
it exists to kill trash and thin out weaker elites and specialists
are the red and white checkered weapon skins just part of shop rotation?
those are the mastery skins
That's not how you use flamer. :P
oh so just mastery 20?
ye, reach max mastery you get the funny candy cane skin
Flamer is for "the psyker is struggling with this horde, I should step in for a second." Using it for anything else is kinda iffy.
Cause, yknow, psyker scales infinitely with horde density and all that. If there's somehow too much shit that needs to die, you step in with flamer and help clean it up because it's an entirely separate source of DOT. This is also why shredders are op, bc they stack with both fire and soulblaze.
Now, if that's what Dorn runs, more power to him, he's insane, it's kinda his thing, but to say that's meta for a normal person is wrong.
it is what i was told to run on the h40 run i was hard carried on
it's literally book baby "i have fire for main trash mobs in horde"
pen flames also deals with mobian 21st
it's a very brain dead, very low effort build
i like Boltgun Backshots cause im sus like that 
Ayy I got a couple more ?s why do people like stamina Regen on their curios and how come you lose health if you haven't lost all ur shield
Like wats the big deal about stamina other than when ur picking someone up
Stamina is lifeline, if you don't have stam you don't dodge bullets, keeps you running faster, and block more when ressing, and more push attacks for certain weapons
Toughness is percent base for melee damage if you have 90% toughness and get hit in melee you take, 10% HP damage from that attack. Something like that
Ok yes cuz I do wonder y ppl like stamina I rather put gunner or snipe def
This does not count range damage, ranged needs to fully break toughness to deal hp damage
Toughness, stam regen, gunner res are the top 3 best picks.
Ohh makes sense... It's Soo many little details to learn in dark tide thxs for helping
moment, you just learn yourself they don't tell you anything
And sometimes the information listed in game is just wrong!
And yes, they lie alot too
Lmbooo I know it's crazy they really don't explain ish
2.4k hours in and I still learn things
Lmbooo this is hilarious
2.7k and I still reference documentation to double check things
I might quit if I get that true survivor title they need some more stuff to work towards
gotta work towards impressing all Randoms you play with
This is the true endgame
Get called out for cheating, or vote kicked for doing too good
Lmbooo
I got dropped from 40 to 20 in havoc because I didn't do any high ranking missions haha I was trying to get that havoc exemplar
So if u hit 40 make sure to keep it up by doing ur mission the next week or they take it
or just don't do any and you only decay by one, right?
i strive for this
it's why you need scoreboard, so you can dab on them and let them know you got 69 disabler kills
Random funny things you should try out
Combat stim + stealth + bolter
Than go up to a daemonhost and mag dump.
Or alternatively you do this on Veteran but instead you chuck a krak grenade than go into stealth to mag dump
Don’t do this unless your teammates are okay with your shenanigans first
You don't need team permission to give the lost girl a hug
Me in vc: hear me out-
Any sane person: No.
I'm sorry, pubbies drag us into their shenanigans without our consent, they can shit a brick whilst we play with the cute magical girl
True even if they say no I piss the daemonhost off anyways
“See that poor tortured soul over there?
Want to see me torture it some more?”
Also it was fun watching @placid fiber walk up to DHs, the pubbies freak out and he procedes to just delete the DH
Me when I don't like my team so I piss off a DH and leave
I piss them off with overconfidence because they are fun as shit to fight
(They took an ammo pouch from me while I had no ammo)
Forget brute conscripts give me just a boss rush modifier. Give me that chaos plz
I piss them off as shield ogryn to waste time and generate corruption on my mates
Who needs shield Ogryn when you can have my vet with enough stamina to run a marathon around the dh
How I deadass watch as the 125/140 vet takes away the large ammo when I'm 0/46 on the rumbler
I think we should start the mass execution of DS users don't loike em they always killing people I want to kill
(Melk and Brunt wouldn’t give me toughness curios so I just have enough stamina to fill oxygen tanks in the infirmary)
I finally got my 3rd 17% toughness curio today. I am level 360
Most people don't see ammo counts
Honestly I’d do it if you just grabbed the plasteel before I did.
When 3 DS/Bolter mfs pull up and the game turns into no ammo spawning maelstrom modifier
But there is a way in the vanilla game to know if your teammate needs ammo
This happened to me so I had be outrageously greedy and I got most ammo taken 🥶 🥶 🥶
I use bolter but then again who needs a gun when you have a big shiny sword
Yellow, orange or red is not exactly a good way to gauge, some weapond specially show yellow way too early and hold it till late
Eat shit metawhores 🥶 🥶 🥶 I'm rumbling out and bodying brute conscripts
If I’m at red and you snatch my ammo it’s on sight. I’m pissing off a daemonhost just because
That tortured soul boutta torture four souls
There's also a lot of animosity against Ogryns thanks to a growing amount of youtubers too so I wouldn't be surprised
I basically just act as a can opener for metaslaves against shit like Bulwarks
Bully the bulwarks oh mighty ogryn player they took my rations :((
Sah yes sah
Special technique: Point Blank Barrage with Rending talent on a Bleed + Adhesive rumbler
I swear a hoard of bulwarks is just me getting beaten into a corner and shook down for rations/lunch money
If other ogryns bully ya give me a call
7 rumbler shots on PBB will descend upon them
8 if lucky bullet feels like triggering every 100 years
I appreciate Ogryn players because they are unironically great to play with you a real one John Cadia
I am a human howitzer
My personality changes a lot whenever I play vet or ogryn
If I get downed as vet I will be hurling death threats but if I get downed as ogryn we chill like that
imagine getting downed
at all
If I get downed it will be a cry of “can I get a hi-five 😭” no matter the class or alternatively “Pick me up I got ray gun” (I don’t use vet ray gun)
I always got bullied by bulwarks but after discovering the rumbler and ogryn the tables have turned
If only the GG was BETTER
shrimply shoot everything that can get out down before they come close to you
Or vet got a grenade launcher (I want booms, right here, right now)
No can do sir I am out of buckshot 
shrimply carry more
Give the vet knuckle bracers and chuck the vet at the bulwarks. Buy one get one free these hands
Ogryn should be allowed to throw zealots into battle
Fastball!
Shouty go!
Spin them before throwing and just “shouty let it rippp!”
guys what perks for my relic blade? im running wrath cranial for blessings
and i need help with spearhead boltgun blessings too, getting many conflicting responses on that one
im mostly using spearhead to kill burgles and heavy armored enemies if that helps
run flak elite, i suggest replacing wrath with rampage if you arent using it for havoc
for boltgun just go carapace unyielding with puncture shattering impact
so if puncture shattering is for heavy armor and burgles, what's cavalcade pinning fire for?
Guys million dollar idea cigarettes but with protein
Slim jims
both cause cancer
if you are running blazing piety to get crits
both setups demolish heavy armor and burgles but puncture shattering is more general use
They also demolish the ammo econ of your team, use sparingly
ok thanks guys, last thing: what curios do i want on zealot?
My personal belief for the best curios are 2 toughness and 1 +3 stam, with 3x stam regen, 3x gunner resist, and 3x toughness
i seee
You could swap the stam for another toughness, I've found more stamina is just so nice tho, but it's still your choice
yeah i think i need the stam, thanks!
Zealot has so many means of generating toughness and mitigating toughness damage that you basically go all in on it for the most part, hp need not apply if your effective toughness is a bajillion
Zealot is a crutch
Zealot is my crutch :)
From each personality of the zealot
Which bands would the 3 listen too
linkin park
well you see you use the normal 1 build for zealot that gets all the damage talents and knives
but instead of taking fury of the faithful you take chorus of spiritual fortitude instead
Can confirm, but tbh I don't need GR so rn I am using block eff with the relic
Since when slow mode has been enabled?
idk like a week ago
30s lmao... What happened?
furries

naah deffo the weebs
Bunch of weird priests that even their mains are also weird
Were you there when that one guy in the voice chat was like "oh, I guess we're doing the daemonhost" or w/e he said exactly. I think you were, and I had that gunlugger build that time(I think x.x)
I think you had a thammer build that match, if you were there
it was in a heresy brute conscripts smelter complex run iirc(or a consignment yard one... I can't remember for srue)
How do i play relic sword the sweatiest meta way
There's a pinned message for how to build the weapon itself, otherwise I am not 100% sure on that one
the manga?
Yeah
horyshit
i gotta hurry and read it
Did anyone else find the matches yesterday to be more difficult than usual? Me and my buddy tried to play for like 3 hours yesterday and got absolutely decimated everytime time.
37 volumes and almost 500 chapters
Have fun
i am somewhere at the end anyhow
5 month ago or so
i diagnose skill issue
1- no difficulty change noticed
2 - Are you sure you weren't playing the Brute Conscript modifier?
or shocktroop gaunlet
your randoms were probably cosplaying as 60 iq havers that day
I’m sure a few of them were brute conscripts but we’ve been doing them the whole event so I don’t think that’s the issue
loner zealot
prob a loner zealot fault
For not carrying hard enough ye...
I did have a few PC teammates that kept running super far ahead from the rest of the group, it didn’t help
I can’t say whether they were zealots or not tho
oops 23024469593 bulwarks
woe, kark grenade upon thee
Too many factors to answer this. Auric and even damnation directors are very random and sometimes crazy. Are you using purposedly hard builds. Are you using a brain. Are you team mates not holding their weight. Do you have someone watching flank, dealing with specialist, dealing with elites, dealing with horde?
what is "brain" can praying to emperor give one
Psyker by far is the most efficient for bulwark kills. Actually psyker is by far the most rewarding class. The best and highest skill ceiling
you waited 30 seconds to post this alone, I appreciate the dedication to the bit.
Sorry my friend, its with a Tech-Priest now
Yeah... sometimes the director decides to give a low intensity damnation shock gauntlet spawns
No, yes, sometimes, yes, yes, yes, but we also dont usually have a full premade squad so randoms are a factor
even with a build that's good enough for aurics and is fully min-maxed... randos can still make heresy tough for that person(and I mean a good person as well)
I have said this and I'll say it again: calling these abysmal randos "trash" is an insult to trash because trash is more useful than those randos are...
I think the worst random you can get is the ones that are obviously good players, but they refuse to play with the team and as such inevitably cause a team wipe due to lack of cooperation
have watched randos stay in the same spot and fail to push forward through a horde. For 45 minutes. While dead. I was dead because they fell back three bloody rooms because they heard the horde signal.
Competence of any degree can be worked with, even if they aren't cooperative... that's how bad of randos I've had to work with SO MANY TIMES... x.x
This would not apply to havoc, since that does require teamwork
They’ll push farther than everyone else while we’re fighting a horde etc and then either get picked off themselves or we start going down and they’re too far to be of any assistance
Why did I watch for 45 minutes? Because they weren't dying and I was frankly in awe at how much of a coward they were.
I've had much worse than that, tbh
I’m sure, but as I’m still relatively new to Darktide I haven’t yet seen the worst of teammates
"quick, it's three enemies, let's fall back to spawn to make sure we kill them"
I have a bit over 1900 hours in it... I've been here since november of 2022... I have... lol
if the emperor wanted us to think we wouldnt have to put down heretics
I’m coming up on 300 hours, and I bought the game within the last few months I’d say
Well... the best advice I can give is: use a build that covers everything and can be used for solo clutching if needed x.x
Yeah I figured that out pretty quick
Sometimes its team synergy
"do everything yourself and you'll be fine"
Giving yourself more tools to work with helps as well(like both until death and thy wrath be swift on zealot)
I premade with 1 or 2 ppl but usually a duo us enough to carry. Psyker and zealot combo is the best, their kits can do everything.
If only it were that easy...
Like communicate and play with ur team. When im zealot i dont push up if i realize they are struggling. If they are dealing with the front i turn to watch flank. If theres something i cant deal with, i look out for specialist or charge in to push through shooters and gunners
Some zealots are too passive and some are too aggressive, just gotta play with ur team really
That's the dream... sadly usually you get a nightmare instead with randos <.<
I'm probably closer to the more passive end... and not because I don't want to do damage... I'm a loot goblin and I try to make sure I stay alive(no matter the class)... and I am usually fairly close to the team anyway, even when extra time spent looting(which is the main reason I am behind)
Had a rando group who all took 1k+ damage yesterday when I was getting used to my new vet
I took like 165 dmg or something. And killed p much everything. Idk. Solo play is better sometimes
Only 1k+ damage? Lucky (joking)
I said 1k+. Think someone even took 1.5k
Its fine as long as u are doing smth. Ive played ogryn games where i need to pull all the weight its really frustrating to play. I cant and dont want to do everything if i did i wud play solo
I extra hyper focus disablers >.>
Nah. Solo play you wouldn't have a bunch of free damage taken to lower the director intensity.
I was solo roaming.
Playing asa team of 4 is more random since their actions affect the director
Just sliding, zooming and shooting everything.
I find it more enjoyable even more so when the team synergy is really good and we can deal with whatever the director throws at us
Yeah and without the three other people on your team the director would throw more enemies at you to drop your health. But director satisfied because the three stooges got slapped around so much.
LOL
lol. I’ll post stats.
lol, the 3 stooges... That's a great name for your 3 randos... only I think the 3 stooges were brighter than these randos...
i am literally not joking like I kept dying simply because I did not expect them to run backwards nonstop any time there was the smallest bit of adversity
Posted it in vet chat.
Most of my games are like this and I just made vet 2 days ago. So idk 🤷♂️
even some amazing players struggle with pushing
for example, a duo between a pretty good player and @copper hawk kept failing solely because the other player wouldn’t push consistently
when floran and i played together, we’d consistently push ahead and we won pretty easily
yeah high intensity makes that even more important because almost zero gap in between waves. But pushing ahead gives you more resources to stay alive and is always superior to falling back.
Why are you calling cica "floran"? lol
in case they didn’t recognize the new name
I gave cica a potato lol
Uhh idk, whatever is a safer area is the better move. Depending on the area u are pushing into and whats behind, its better to be dynamic. Ive played with ppl that pushed into a wave when they shudve backed out and funneled them in
that’s basic positioning, i’m talking about sticking back and killing like, 5 enemies rather than just letting them come towards you as you dive an elite pack or just progress further
Hewwo goo meowrni ,,
I wake up
back hurts
The cycle continues.
Oh nah i ignore them, if a specialist catches them and im busy, im letting them die
bro think he me
every time I thought they'd finally get through the room I died in. BWOOOOOO. And so they fell back several rooms again to deal with four specialists. And then they'd get to that room again before BWOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Another 0630 wakeup i gonna lose my mind
Also tank u teehee ,,
dont compliment me i swer i will blush ,,
People like that make me look like the most aggressive player ever... :/
and it was honestly hypnotizing how they literally could not get past this large open room because of the smallest possible trickle of enemies
There r some ppl who rlly enjoy pressing S ,,
Usually i wud agree but some stuff changes. A zelaot moves really fast i wud backtrack to take out an annoying bomber but thats abt it
the “other player” was using ds4 on zealot and STILL couldn’t make it through that match

Yah ,, and a bolter ,,
Recently i love the las pistol its so goated
any time a psyker says i’m pushing too far ahead as zealot i just ignore them because they ALWAYS r dogshit if they say that
and you would have been the zealot dead for 45 minutes wondering how, exactly, these three people ever managed to win a single mission. Did they just play a single four hour mission a day?
too many psykers are allergic to melee
Psykers and Vets are very allergic to melee despite being the two most broken melee characters
“erm you’re speedrunning” im using evis and chastise.
things are dying.
growl.
I wud just leave tbh thats why i leave games. If i fuck up and they are bad lmao
Any1 who complains that a zeal is speedrunning w an evis is moldy
If their gameplay are hard to watch im done, good luck to them. My buddy is a frontline psyker but he plays every class its a skill issue honestly
I was tempted but I quite honestly wanted to see how long it would take them to either die or get through a single easy room.
Cica vet is a monster in melee especially with toughness regen when killing an elite/specialist
broken means overpowered
So many of my friends dont know how to melee and get backed up by pox hordes
Tbh it’s always hilarious to me whenever I see a zealot rushing so far ahead then dying
I didnt read the broken part
He thinks he is him.
Yeah its better to play dynamically, dont rush in but dont play like a coward you are a zealot. Ur team needs u
Its my fault but i dont check that im playing with a shroud or inflitrate teammate and pick up random aggro sometimes
man you can take zero damage just by holding block and pushing every second
Growls like a sigma, or whatever.
you’ll get your own joke one of these days i’m sure
just howl because you're a badass werewolf awoo
At this point I'm so burnt out I can't bother being funny.
Like that will ever happen
U wud think right, vet and psyker friends btw. Ppl that have game sense cna play any of the classes the same way. Darktide need u to be aggressive , melee heavy, use audio hints and position
not before he croaks
cause hes a frog
implying you did bother
me using the better than relic sword FGS and just mindlessly churning through hordes like butter mmm
Zealots grow weaker the further from melee they are and the longer they are out of it - Psyker and Vet are effective at any range (tness gen, tdr, damage, etc) so they find it difficult to grasp why a Zeal or a HH Ogryn would need to push up in order to not be vulnerable/remain effective by keeping everything proc'd - dis is my theory..
noh i am wolp.
big difference.
🪦
I may cry.
yeah that makes sense 2 me
Its mostly proper movement, if your dodges are on point you can facetank everything
fursona locked in, you've revealed too much now 
Thats smth ive heared, fgs is good but the relic sword is faster much better at horde and u have ur staffs if u need more bang
One day ill get a talent to make heavy attacks deal burning stacks
i’m actually not a furry, but i love wolves, they r very cute
Second wind + duellist works with guns.
Not melee heavy per se, because you can also just use your gun in melee range
can the relic sword press special to instantly vaporize 30 ragers
One source of tness generation, we are weaker with firearms than vet and psyker
I'm out here tapping on heads from 25m out.
anoint in blood is also one of the strongest single points in the game
3 buffs to guns
anoint in blood (only works at close range)
duelist (2s on a dodge, not a lot in relation to ranged combat)
second wind only works against shooters, not gunners
Mfw 25% more damage on all DOTs just for taking that one point:
Second win doesnt proc on gunners or reapers, and we dont have passive tness regen at range (AAL, Quell)
but its not enough to immediately qualify a zealot as being 'strong at range', in fact the buff is close range specific so, lol
The worst by far are zealots that are flamer, hammer/knife and book. Its doable but very hard since ranged enemies tend to mess u up. These guys end up being deadweight in my games
psykers and warp talents:
We have 2 damage talents that are blankent buffs against certain enemies other than sustained, vet has like 5
tbf soulblaze is roughly half as strong as firedots in a very broad sweeping generalization i just made
save yourself from the rant… it’s not worth it……
But fire dot has one source while soulblaze has like 6
Troo.. already did the rant and posted screencaps but naow i cant post screencapz..
also you have to reload while psykers just burn their fingers for half a second
U really use the fgs for the fun haha its a blast to play with
I dont think playtesters have a starting point for the zealot rework yet
Ogryn is more important apparently
Like literally that's what I was essentially told; our class "functions" and works better than Ogryns
it's true tho
Absolutely true and they should get it first
Nop !
1 month later and ogryns beg for another rework
I dont think zealot needs a rework rn , ogryn needs it imo. The weapons and teee is all over the place. Ogryn tree rn is really heavy attacks only. Their weapons are so inconsistent.
insert that one picture of the fat greedy guy chugging the water and the skinny guy only getting drops
Idk why it has to be one and one only getting reworked when all these classes got a bunch of changes/buffs simultaneously over a course of a year
Frankly hes fun to play with a premade but kinda terrible with randos. Carrying on ogryn is a chore 
DS nerf maybe
Ogryn is monotonous as fuck. I also hadn't really played them in a long while and reading his tree offerings (especially right side) was very disappointing
Like they demonstrated they can juggle reworks w Vet and Psyker simultaneously idgi
also honestly I think after ogryn, veteran should get a look at first too. mostly because their tree is bottom heavy and would likely be a faster fix than zealot. Psykers probably are in the best state rn.
Psyker is fun idk how he went from such a shitted on class to one of the most powerful classes. Psyker really is skill issue
Vet needs nothing other than nerfs and double buff talents axed
You see... zealot is on the list, but, it's just not that high up... there are more important things like where you can bi-pass needing to do penances for cosmetics by paying them actual money which are more important.
Im not doing the dumb penances i just spend money
but their cosmetics are all bad so no money spent 
Vet is just insane man their tree is so fantastic
how important is the restoration of zealot ferrets tho
Its def possible to split ogryn and zealot for a skilltree playtest
Vet has arguably the biggest expression in amount of builds ranging from full ranged full melee full grenades full support etc
Rework charged melee weapons would be nice
You can run vet totally keystoneless and be more effective
Psyker has... what... melee, ranged, staff, assail, smite?
Gunpsyker melee wall support brainburst crowd clear overwatch sniping
Vet is okay hes fun but not for me, i think i read this when i first started. Vet is a snowball class. If ur teams doing well it will do better, if not a vet wont contribute as much as the other classes
ngl... I read that last one was spinning instead of sniping...
Keystoneless being totally viable in auric damn is insane
Combine runs keystoneless vet and hes a demon according to others
I always thought it was because a lot of vet talents at the bottom offer double buffs, much like other keystones would, which makes the keystones seem less effective
oh no, psyker is weak, needs so many buffs, totally hasn't been the strongest class for the entire history of the game low-key
zealots and veterans got a fraction of psyker power with dueling sword and think it's the best thing ever
Time to nerf ds
I run psword
Fatshark: Okay, it is now worse than the autopistol.
Give vet flamer
(Also vet was the strongest class before the skilltree update)
I genuinely wouldn't care if dueling sword got ogryn knife damage values as a nerf because fuck that weapon i am very tired of seeing it
I know you're being hyperbolic rn
But vet is the one holding the "strongest for the entirety of the games history "
Well until fgs
That being said
Bring back 7 charges power sword 🗣️
ya, nerf veteran, psyker needs so many buffs pls am thirsty for more power
Well its good, its mobile and consistent at take downs. The new relic sword if wayy too slow. U dont have time to dance with 6 curshers with a 4 hit combo
Vet was the strongest for nubs crutching on 75% ult tdr and an autoreloading bolter. But even pre-trees Psyker would have the same level of damage output as an xstance Vet with just warp charges and no off-state other than needing to maintain the stacks.
Im surprised zealot hasnt been nerfed really
Except warp charges worked globally and not just for ranged. And no ammo regen I suppose.
We have, we've been nerfed a bunch
WRONG THOSE FUCKERS WOULD TAKE CAMO EXPERT
We've received more nerfs than buffs
Sentry Vet 🗣️
climb on a box and die from 2 poxwalkers vet
camo vets, now that sucked
The class is so good in the right hands, same with vet and psyker. All classes are good in the right hands. Except ogryn, having a giant hit box and reduce dodge really doesnt feel like i have any noticable advantage over the other classes. Psyker can stagger with fire, both psyker and zealot can dealwith hordes just as well. Honestly ogryn taunt is good at debuffing enemies
Fatshark: Okay, chastise will only give 5% rending, max charge distance is cut in half, and the attack speed bonus from fury was too op so it will give -10% attack speed due to how much distance you cover.
you give them literally the most op braindead shit and they find a way to shoot themselves in the foot
vet = baby with a gun
randos be like dat...
Valuable Distraction competes with Go Again 
ogryn is a martyr icon
It is, its chad energy haha
Ogryn players want reworks cause its the class with the overall worst players🤫
no thats psykers
If vet gets flamer, we get shovels. A soul for a soul.
Thats cuz psyker has a high skill ceiling imo
high skill floor maybe?
its actually because 50% of its kit allows you to ignore most of the game's melee
Are they the worst players because they have the worst weapons
Or do they have the worst weapons because they are the worst players
Suguru Geto posing.png
Psyker def has a high skill floor to express yourself
psyker has a floor to express yourself (by going down on it) *
It's neither. Both can be true without being related.
Because theyre bad at the game🤫
Ogryn can use heavy hits and sometimes shoot like a maniac 

both meta builds just reduce the skill requirment for playing the game
Veterans can get a lot of dummy mileage from spamming Voice of Command but there's limits to how far that can take you, despite remaining strong. Psyker with a flamestaff, trauma staff, smite, bubble, venting shriek, and perilous combustion alone can sidestep entire sections of the game basically at will.
no way shitker turns off the game ? more news at 11
Why is assail EK DD build heavily slept on
People dont know how much damage you shit out with scrier and people crutch on smite hard
might wanna take a look at where the strongest psyker talent is relative to assail 
I use dome
omg now I'm imagining my randos with propeller hats lol
Hmmm how can you play ogryn. Its the meta they gave us, heavy hit go bonk
Build dependant 
🚬 ogryn is just fucking mid
spam one attack all game
switch to ranged kill one disabler then spam one attack all game
People pick the safest build generally
Blame the tree

Ogryn is just busted at a fundamental level, it's not even about player outcomes or effectiveness at high level play. Cycling heavy attacks or magdumping your choice of ranged weapon -- or both -- is all you get out of him, and that shit gets fucking old way before anybody reaches 'git gud' stage on a class that has wholly unique movement.
I like a build that covers my playstyle and gives me more tools to work with. x.x
The tree tells us this is how we play we bonk heavy now 
i legit wanna hop off ogryn in the first 5 mins of playing him
also idc what people say the new heavy stubbers are mid
Psyker with 3 health curios and pumping out crazy dps clad you are a fucking dumbass
I dusted my Ogryn off yesterday for the first time in four months and in the first five minutes a chaos spawn grabbed me and dropped me into a wall forcing me to reconnect, lmao
heavy stubber mid dont at me
2k headshots with achlys heavy stubber using deadly accurate
at least you didnt die cause cornered and literally cant mantle lmao
They are the first real finesse weapon+accurate for picking off long range target
I'm guessing you can hit heads lol
long range on the melee front line class OOOKAY
heavy stubbers are great but they sound like ass
Very mid. Not bad but doesnt feel very ogryn. Also why did they add the suppressor....ogryn shud not need a precision rifle. They need a boom weapon and goodbye whatever is in that direvtion.
Or long range on the long range class (doesn't have enough ammo)
The heavy stubbers are integrally surpressed
A long range weapon to cover one of the weaknesses of a big bodied melee class...
This is what im saying like their philosophy for the class is all over the place.
name one thing heavy stubber does that a rock cant do
Clad when ogryn actualy gets a weapon for an unique playstyle
Accurately hit snipers 100m away
Shoot more than 4 times
take soften them up on the talent tree 
wrong higui has it right tho
Its not unique. If i want to snipe i wudnt play ogry
If you cant make heavy stubber work its def a you problem
C'mon clad
Step those questions up 🗣️
I mean... past a certain distance it stops giving you an accurate arc at which it will get thrown
pill cant throw rocks
As Ogryns you're either a Skullbreaker or a Gunlugger
Nuh uh, Bullgryn doesn't exist
I can, its good but its not fun. It doesnt feel ogryn it doesnt feel unique. It feels like im playing a vet with a ogryn hitbox. It feels ridiculous
When have I denied having terrible aim? :3
taunt needs buffs tbh. lemme just invest 45 points for it to do anything 🤓
The suppressed heavy stubber makes it feel wrost
#1079236027690012773 message y'all check this out haha
but also: more than 4 shots in 1 minutes time, you can take soften them up, better more reliable accuracy past a certain point. Those are the main things @stone fern
Why is it even suppressed....
2late
I know, I put all points into 1 statement.
I hate that Soften them up is on the opposite side of Melee ogryn 😭
sorry chuds this is real life ogryns get the kickback....
Just take frag 
Let's see... it has more than 1 shot per mag than the kickback, can more reliably kill specials/elites further away, it can damage crushers, it has less damage at close range.
Kickback is one of the most ogryn weapons. Plenty of ammo, quick and its either good bye everything in front of me or hey you over there quiet down
nuh uh
ur a most ogryn weapon, gottem
It really is just snipers and bombers which i never even find myself needing to take out at a distance the kickback cant handle
True, but it can damage crushers better without needing 30% rending from the gunlugger
I really want to love the Gauntlet
Like shooters and gunners ironically i find myself in a range where a twin stubber guns them down pretty good. Not the most ammo eff but it works
I dont use guns for crushers , sir u are an ogryn u bonk them ur whole tree is bonk so why gun
I know, I was giving strengths that the heavy stubber has open to them. Not something you should do with it
At that point I'd taker a ripper with can opener, If I wanted a ranged for crushers
Peak
If they made the heavy stubber have a huge bullet box, made it sound like a cannon. I wud use it. It just doesnt sound or feel like an ogryn weapon
You can use ogryn without a brain off playstyle heavy stubber shows that
if u want to use brain u wudnt play ogryn

The emperor doesnt need us to be smart we make bad guys go away
Damn, still slowmoded? When they gonna free you guys?
From what I've heard: sometime in 2045 (joking)
Anyways the las pistol is amazing on zealot
If they made the reload faster the ripper wud be my goto
If I wanted a melee that couldn't do armor damage in some way reliably then I'd take it... but I generally just take the shovel or pickaxe, so that is a moot point
You need to path towards the reload speed talent for that
I doubt ogryn players have the brainmass required to path in the talent tree😌
Which, generally speaking, is only really viable for a gunlugger build... (without a 2+ point sink)
i shall not fall for your rage bait the emprar proteccs
😌
We have mass 
I mean... all u gotta do is look at how much brainmass a rando has in general... at least the discord oggies are generally not as bad
how does one measure their brainmass?
I wonder how fast the Rumbler would reload considering that you can proc Marksman Reflex and Pacemaker with your melee
Look at how much competence they have... that tells you if they have more than 1 mm of brain cell
Ask discord ogryns they are into phrenology /j

probably similar to how fast you can brain burst with 2 buffs of the 50% faster charge time on career skill use
Atomic Heart OST volume 5 is out 🗣️ 
Why is just the zealots channel slow 
Hawt Dauwg
Long story short
2 years of freak posting
for a nefarious no good floran, you just seem like a hungry floran to me
zealot chat try not to be horny challenge (impossible) its not even a joke anymore
zealots too lewd and racist
wow zealot players are degens and toxic, shocker
zealots were too cool so they had to slow the chat down 
it wasn’t racism it was homophobia!!!!!
(the racism was a while ago, one person, and went mostly unpunished until i reminded the mods of it and wasnt what caused the slow mode)
see guys its all meows fault
hit you with hammers methinks
make my dreams reality
How could you, meow?!
Take out your brain. Go on, take it out. Take it out.
Actually you contributed far more than you think you did. I have a whole pile of godforsaken comments from you.
frog going to come out here purity testing members
eh i just say weird shit, i’m not the one talking about genuine kinks and actual freaky shit
did i have a part? probably, but not as bad as some other members
He's our own personal history bot
i wasn’t part of the group thirsting for the attention seeking “tomboy” 

I know I've probably contributed some parts, but, I mostly just post random stuff as it pops into my head x.x
Somebody has to, the Emperor's light does not shine on this place.
ironic.
we’ve all contributed to some extent, but there are people here who are very easily the main culprits
Like that cole guy (joke)
cole is pure
Cole probably has almost none, if any. lol
oh is this going back to old school vague post whenever he spots lgbt shit frog
at least you aren't azure i guess
The times when I refrained from making a comment, but commented that I was going to say something, were times when certain topics should've stopped being discussed. As in, the logical thinking part of my brain knows the topic isn't for public channels.
Booby tiddy
let the intrusive thoughts win, do crime, cause problems, be a menace
sir this is zealot chat not psyker
become bird chat,
Also, being like that azure fella would make me a huge hypocrite.
LMFAO
48 more hours of slowmode...
Did you atleast stack up on quality stuff to post once the restrictions are lifted
Nothing but the finest tentacles
squid game
squid game ⁉️
home say young
I did not realize the disparity between the Whackus Bonkus and the Beatin’ Stick n have never seen so many creatures go flying so far
I require knowledge of the best all around blessings for it pls
wtf is it
IT
Wow you guys deserve to be slow mo
I assume Big K is referring to the thunder hammer and power maul
Correct
I mean crusher, not power maul
Ok but which one is he asking about
it
lists two things
i mean this is zealot chat take a guess
fuck
I am asking ab the Crusher m8
"the Whackus Bonkus and the Beatin’ Stick"

CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD, When we playin again?
There is a Crusher guide in pins
power maul is an ogry nweapin
im playing ghostwire rn its not bad
Opaaa my bad thank you
But you'd take slaughterer skullcrusher


Unfortunate
Thank you very much!
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was me. Can't remember exactly. I'd switched off and assumed a competent group would avoid the DH, forgetting that people like to delete them for fun hahah.
the pubbie in chat was absolutely mesmerised though haha. Maybe the game after though? I just remember them being called Anderson
If i have a stim and a bolter i always try to kill the dh's in qp
Preach 🗣️
casually buys 99 dog food
feeds every good boy found
what else can you spend money on? no seriously asking
Arrows and Talismans
dont use dont want
What stim
Cherry bar or banana stim
yo chat, what's bomber resist really like?
How in the emperor's grace am I supposed to gleen which weapon is which from that sentence
Useless
i don't need the corrupt resist if i have the beacon
erm what the ferret
Just run gunner resistance
just trying fil the slot of my curios (had the stam regen and some combat regen)
when in doubt
take toughness
Run toughness stam regen and gun res
Gunner resist health toughness
Skullcrusher and slaught, cara/flak unyielding for Crusher, Thrust HTer/Slaught, flak unyield/cara for THammer
Dump stat is Defences on both wpns 
tough regen bad? i think if have with enemy within my enemy node
EWEW isn't affected by toughness regen speed curios
Listen here, Bussy, or whatever your name is
It’s basically only taken on ogyrns since it only affects coherency regen
+hp +tness +gunner/stam regen/sniper is how i outfit my curios; +hp and +tness and at least one +gunner is non negotiable for me @bitter anvil
so it function like take a breath node?

Good morning zealot chat
All the tness regen node affects is coherency regen and stacks with other coherency regen talents/nodes
ogryn maximum tough regen rate is will be funny.
Tness regen in coherency is the worst tness gen in the game (incredibly slow) and is turned off whenever you're in combat; unless you're playin Babymode TNess regen on curios is less than worthless
useless
Gunner Resist and Sniper Resist are the two generally best resists
if there is toughness regen -delay upgrade would be neat
sniper resist fans when spacebar:

Sniper Resist clears a breakpoint by allowing you to eat an extra shot before going down, and full gunner resist gives you several extra seconds of face tanking a gunner before tness breaks
I believe thats what toughness regen is
Bussin 
my life for aiur
Turns out I really fw the bolt pistol. What roll should I chase? I got the increased weakspot perk and puncture
Collat/mobility dump flak maniac puncture deadly accurate I think
Flak maniac? Not carapace unyielding?
do you think you could eat the round meal in one go
I got starbucks this morning, took one bite of the sandwich thing I got, and threw it away
Lmao
So no, i couldnt my tummy is small and i have no appetite for cheese
Average Starbucks momment 💀
Drink skimmed milk for a week
dunkin is much better for food imo
That’s for boltgun lmao
Meow actually the roundmeal would fucking kill me methinkz !
I don't put that on the boltgun either
Make cica eat a half pound burger
ok what if we ate it like the dogs from lady and the tramp
After my laser appointment 2day would u like 2 toys, it shouldn't be more than 2 hours 
Maybe unyielding to magdump bosses
But I don't think there are any breakpoints for cara
i’m at work rn but i’ll be home about 3:30
Maniac to always kill a trapper w puncture on a body shot
Yah i figured that's y i askies cuz i should be back an hour and a half after u
Ah, I put mine together for the brute conscripts event to pair w thunder hammer. If carapace dosent do anything ill swap to maniac. I wanna keep unyielding for whittling down crusher squads tho
My doctor told me I looked like a corpse, this is a great day.
Uuuuh @forest nymph i recommend, if ur using a thammer, a flamer w the usual blessings to cover ur bulwark problem, or an agri brauto tbh
Wait u have a hammer and u use your bolt pistol to kill crushers? 
Infantry autogun better than brauto in every capacity.
Thammer deletes crushers tbh
hammer deletes all the ogryns
I shoot it at packs before they get into melee range. Also useful for ragers
I went back to using the rashad for the new event cuz they stagger bullies and crushers on heavies
I found it funny how my knifey zealot struggles with the opposite of what my thammer zealot does
hell special light will kill bulwarks if you have buffs up
Why are people soo allergic to walking up to crushers and meleeing them?
Trauma staff spam
rashad?
Time 2 spend five fucking hours shaving yippee KYAAAAA
Because 3 of them are gonna charge that overhead and I'm bad enough to get caught lacking
Low toughness MF get one tapped easily
That bolt pistol isn't going to save u
The old name for the combat axe iii?? the best combat axe whatever they renamed it to
Isn't it still called the Rashad?
Thats why you gotta run chad big dick psyker build and our freak the crusher till he dies
For noobs who havent used the rashad b4 the blessings r bm and hter, flakiac for perks - light spam head level for about everything, heavy ogryns, maulers, bosses
Huge dude scary
It's the second best* zealot melee
Flak isn't necessarily
The important perk is cara
I used to use an axe on my psyker with a melee build and absolutely loved it. Would solo DHs and bop big bois on the noggin
I use my hs 9 piety stalwart build for it cuz i love my chastise
In fact, unarmored allows you to one shot dreg gunners with lights, and better wave clear on hordes while you are stacking HT
chastise has been tricky for me to nail down
Flak helps a bit with wave clearing more armored enemies , but it doesn't give u any breakpoints
Always take double chastise and use it liberally if u have iod and a crit wpn/piety
Zealot has w every non crit wpn a base crit w piety procd of 20%, which statistically will keep iod always proc'd for the most part
I think the problem is that Fatshark doesn't let us have health bars
So people think they are doing damage when in reality 💀
I rember a simpler time when mods first launched and ppl called healthbars cheating.. 
Another gpk classic
cheater i bet you used a keyboard to type this real players manually transmit their signals with hand made transistors
Hence I like scoreboard, helps me track if I'm being useful or a liability.

Caxe 3 didn't get renamed, it's still rashad.
In a simpler time I would've said healthbars are unnecessary, but they feel more than necessary in havocs. Knowing whether or not I'm going to kill something within a reasonable amount of time or whether or not the current amount of fire damage dps is going to burn that reaper the rest of the way down is huge.
I need a lot of make-up to pull that off so be grateful 
I don't have to be a doctor to tell you that
VT1 health bars were absolutely cheating as they showed up through walls 
Guided missile cruisers Trueshot Kerillian and Bolt Staff Sienna just eliminating all threats from over the horizon and without line of sight
It was sarcasm. That's bad. I feel like I've got the fucking suds from spongebob.
uses u to clean a toilet in hopes that it cures u
Don't do that. That's nasty. :(
tell that to the person that did that to patrick
Frog taking a bath in the toilet would be a net positive for his cleanliness, even if it's unflushed
I will remember this.
mean post apologize to frog
He's evolved from ice cream sundae frog to mudslide frog
No, it's too late. That post was premeditated murder. He will receive his comeuppance soon.
how nice of u to use mud instead of something else jawa
Good
I'm proud of that message
it’d be a danger to the local water supply
Why you gotta specify the toilet
frog's mysterious sewage adventures now in cinemas near u
O boii can't wait for frog to meet content cop in da sewer or smth
Since when was today bully Frog day... :(
You know its every day
Brother you bottom damaged with purg staff vs 2 martyr zealouts in h40, we should bully you instead.
And?
i know zealot has burn damage but DAYUM
Quote, "ranged psyker sucks." (You are insane)
I will standby by that
(I like the melee psycher gameplay)
We put him on bubble duty and had to drag him by his psi-collar to get a success, it sucked.
mate i'm literally playing a psyker right now because the FGS is incredible but lol ranged psyker sucks
Let's not touch on the fact that our top damage, who pushed out almost 1.6 million damage, was a recon gunker.
It really suck
(It was mind numbing)
Both martyr zealouts pushed out 1.2m, you barely passed 1.1m.
oh
I quite literally had 1m in melee alone.
Again mind numbing
No matter the damage
That shit suck to play
(Plus it was the morning and I haven't fucking slept)
The point is you had infinite scaling vs horde density and still failed against book slaves lmao.
Blah blah blah off you go buddy
@lean lark might have to level a tactical for the next difficulty level in sm2 to cheese
just go sniper
your already using sniper when a trio
wait para how old r u?
1 bajillion million gorillion

Old head….
I mean. If you want a carry, you can join our server.
gl is the dueling sword of that game 
i dont need a carry just competent teamates
Yeah. You can find them with us. Like me on bulwark, I average about 25-35k damage
did lethal on assault almost entirely
haha im a competent tactical 
I’m also an assault main. Got a one shot fencing hammer build that just rekts everything
Bulwark and assault are my two most played. And hard carries.
are warhammers any good on zealot?
I saw a bulwark once
the amount of bulwarks i played with that dont understand that they're literally the team tank's and medic and just spam their side arm makes me wanna uninstall the game
Yeah
Little faulty on the horde side
But amazing on the single target
Good weapon, B tier
is there a weapon tierlist for zealot somewhere i can look into?
why play the sword and shield guy if you're gonna fight anything remotely threatining with your fkn plasma gun brooooooo
I mean I average about 17k-22k melee damage per game on bulwark. That’s not including the 10kish from pistol
i would use the plasma gun too with that abysmal powersword damage
S+ Dueling Sword
Everything else A
That's all you need to know
im usually hogging that dmg with gl spam or plasma incernator haha 
gl should get a nerf, i straight up stop other people's gameplay
I mean it’s getting a fix. But assault is actually more broken. People just don’t realize it. Because using shit build
assult requires a tiny put more skill to use than spamming nades and watching 30 majories and 100 minoris die
Dueling sword is a crutch
S+ crutch 
the biggest problem with assault is that the first 75% of leveling it kinda sucks, so people think it's bad
When it's nerfed dueling sword users will review bomb the game 
And people don’t know about the optimal fencing hammer build either to one tap majoris
I dont think it will be nerfed
didnt mods say it will
People said the same about SotT and old caxe and oldgryn and oldvet and oldbore and oldrecon
"Noooo I can't one shot Nurgle himself anymore"
it's a when at this point
same with every class
im ngl i didnt enjoy leveling system in this game that much, in darktide or drg there's bunch of stuff u can mess around with, in sm2 there isn't much and you're stuck with meh perks and weapons until u reach max level
but once u hit level 25 real fun starts
It's been like what? 4 months since UnL
and two of those were spent being on vacation
Oh yeah
Real
Mods don't know what's gonna happen to the game. Not even playtesters do. The only thing we can do is hope fatshark listens to the good suggestions playtesters pitch and go from there.
The day I see a DS nerf is the day I will hawk eye the chats cause I already know there will be shitters having meltdowns over the SS Tier of Brawl levels of melee getting bumps down to an S tier lmao
i got into the game after unlocked and loaded, i was told by everyone that fatshark releases meaningful updates like once a year so i have 0 expectaions and if i ever feel bored i could literally try the other classes instead of spamming zealot 
Anybody got blessing recommendations for the crusher? I’m thinking hammerblow+opportunist?
slaughter skullcrusher iirc
eh, the others are lot more functional earlier on
yea slaughterer skullcrusher, pins has an in depth guide for crusher beyond that
Getting bored and playing the most horrendous build is my favorite activity
Thank you both 
That’s a fact. Zealot def felt the worst to level just because of how good the top of the tree is
For future reference
Basically most weapons with Skullcrusher will use Skullcrusher
It's just that good
Rending is unnecessary as crusher adms are pretty good to begin with. Skullcrusher slaughterer is meta, but it's viable to run thrust instead of skullcrusher if you wish.
was talking about space marine 2!
Also, you don't need hammerblow because you can stagger anything in the game with special attacks.
OH. Well yeah most classes feel like dookie to level then. Especially assault
my goal is to get into other classes and spam them same way i did with zealot but i legit cant be bothered to level up a mf again by playing lower diffs 😭
i unironically need someone to carry me into 30 to skip the process
Im super new to this game but I have played quite a lot of vermintide 2.
I'm loving zealot so far but everywhere I look is dueling sword mk4 and rambo knife but for me the relic blade and 1 handed chain axe just feel so much better.
Whats with the hype aside from being a stealth ninja?
bulwark felt strong early on, but on others ig i can agree
although the worst ones are easily vanguard and especially assault
exactly why im getting adjusted to combat axe lol
vanguard gets strong much earlier though
Dueling Sword and Knife have really high Weakspot and Crit damages while also having tons of mobility 
Brutal cunning weak point efficiency. Mobility boosts just by having them out. As a chaxe enjoyer I suggest you play with what you’d like
just play whatever weapon you want, don't need to knife/sword
Just use knife if you prefer mobility cause DS is extreme baby mode
I like how the relic blade power mode just ignores armor melee recoil/kickback when spamming into big mobs
i prefer something capable of killing anything without having to hit it 20 times
speedy weapons that delete armor faster than heavier anti armor weapons
mobility is king so what if u had mobility and haha funny dmg
Carapace naturally stops cleave
Powered Sword ignores that property of carapace
so its a carapace problem
I'm really hoping it wasn't me who said this lmao
it was you im pretty sure
it should get nerfed but I'm pretty sure we have no idea if it actually will
The alternative would be too much enemy mass, but I don't have the cleave value of Relic Blade
thats why those guys take the napalm grenade for mass
hmm not finding it in message history
in any case I do try to make sure I don't let slip things I know to be happening anyway because NDA and such
and I do not know what's going to happen with Dueling Sword if anything, I do believe it needs nerfing though
Idk much about the stat values yet just playing around with leveling my 1st guy up to 30. Do know that zealot is my jam though.
blink twice if ogryn are getting 3 nodes moved again (to mess with them)
i like regiland's video on DS or however you spell his name
pretty sure he did playtests for havoc too? or had early access
Mk6 Uncanny + Lacerate or Fleshtearer gives the knife horde clear and rending bleed destroys elite health
Stat values affect parameters that pertain to them, like mobility affects dodge count and distance. You can view what stats do when you inspect a weapon.
Rule of thumb is dump mobility/defenses/collateral if a weapon has those stats, prioritizing the former ones first.
Whats the difference between penetration and cleave then?
entirely different, pen is how much dmg you do vs. armor
Penetration is bypassing armor or well the damage against armor
Cleave is how many bodies the damage can go through before it falls off completely that’s a simple TLDR
das make sense
Carapace armor also halts cleave iirc
that would be very funny, I shall now blink rapidly for 20 minutes to manifest it
i'll take it!
They move Lynchpin lower in the tree for 0 reason LMAO
So the drawback on the relic sword is that it has no armor piercing modifier therefore always will deal lower damage even in power mode.
honestly it's going to be funny if Ogryn gets mega buffed so now they can't pretend they're the weakest and thus highest skill™️ class any more
Power mode always drastically jumps up its armors damage no matter what
they'll have nothing left to talk about, back to rashuns jokes ad nauseum
for a short time, see that makes sense now.
Mods confirmed biased against Ogryns!
Abhuman bias is normal. Are you questioning the will of the Emperor?
they gotta think about their entire life before they release each heavy attack
that can't be healhty, since heavy attacks are all they do
whats the lowest skill class and highest skill?
look I'm just acting as a counter-balance to Hank ok, together we keep things in harmony
Admittedly the class is insanely good it’s just it attracts actual Ogryn IQ players, cause look landing one heavy and instantly getting 30% toughness instantly on a class with 50% TDR is pretty fucked
the class i'm currently playing at any given moment is the highest and the ones i'm not the lowest
it's fine they just remember when they learned how to count to 4 and when they last ate
"yin and yang" ahh
That's why we give ogyrn construction equipment instead of proper weapons. They can't be trusted with swords.
Veteran is the lowest skill cause it’s the easiest to get into mainly cause it’s the definition of jack of all trades, highest skill is Psyker but it also ends up teetering on brain dead overpowered server shutdown class
"we are venom" ahh
Zealot is just above Veteran in skill required cause you need to actually dodge to get flooded with millions of buffs
Psyker leveling is kinda bad imo from a new player perspective
Easiest class to get into is Ogryn that’s the funny part
i got oreos with oreo filling and i realize in retrospect this just makes it taste more like the cookie part
Don’t hate the player hate the game 🚬
Imagine needing a shield, faith in the emperor is my shield.
this chat fell off smh
idk if I could even comment on levelling at this point since I did all my levelling before the skill tree update, plus I'm a VT old head
(god it was boring)
bleed doesn't help with horde clear FOR FUCKS sake, just go riposte or precog
what is bleed going to do in the 1 second it takes a knife to swing 4 times just aim for heads
Highest skill ceiling? Probably Psyker, if you build for it. Like you can be constantly edging your Peril, trying to get max uptime on Scriers and Perfectionism DD, trying to squeeze the maximum possible effect from your Assail and Warp Unbound while also doing all the sliding/stabbing/shooting the other classes do. Or you can be a Smitebot or Trauma Llama
Trauma Llama hits hard brother.
any stave really is just mindless spam
Post misinformation by pushing bleed builds from early 2023
staff psyker in general is pretty low skill
Lacerate FT Crit chance and damage users inbound LMAO
like each class has OP braindead builds
but the problem is, the space wizard must do space magic that's just how it's supposed to be therefore i canno't run gunker
Plasma Vets at least have to aim
highest skill is hello kitty island adventure
I mean I guess but you have to "aim" in the same way you have to aim in a point and click adventure lol
Heresy detected.
like it's been tested time and time again, the only scenario bleed truly helps with are enemies that can live through a flurry of facestabs. Aka captains, bulwarks, and monstros
No they don’t lmao
aim in a very general sense with that massive hitbox 
Inferno Psyker doesnt even have to do that, just drag vaguely across the target
plasma vets aiming (gif of a monkey blowing in a tube looking at a screen)
Only a true emo blasting Bullet can make bleed builds work.
I mean if this is the scale we're working with I dunno if we can really call any of it skill at all
Slow and Steady
Recover 15-24% toughness when hitting an enemy with a heavy attack, based on charge time.
?!
Cooking straight fucking nothing
like I may as well say at least you have to aim for the head with DS to get max damage but like...that just ain't hard to do
ok holy shit i scrolled down and saw the build
lacerate is nice with uncanny on mk6
we got abysmal dogshit !
Truth nuke
just go flesh tearer you creature
truth nuke...
When it came up is a ogryn build I knew it was bad. Service to the emperor is their one redeeming quality.
THE BLEED CONSUMES
(inb4 it's their totally meta build of no scourge no piety no duelist knife so lacerate is more "consistent"
My last space wizard in the tabletop RPG was basically a SG/DD build. Running around at extremely high speed with a force sword, using what was basically Assail as a ranged attack, and using mostly Divination and Telepathy out of combat.
||He was a Chaos Marine Sorcerer and was stronger in melee than the party's Khorne Berserker||
the classes i dont like have OP braindead builds, the classes i like are balanced and im just a very good player which is why my builds work
hey lumii would it be alright if i used the combat axe when you start playing darktide again
Correct which is why every class except my favorite should be gutted into the ground
but then bad people would taint your class
why are you asking permission 
I mean, fair
😄
infested? cdr perks?
LMFAO
Holy shit I was not expecting that LMAO
tf is wrong with you?
someone can shit dogs? incredible
Do you want a list?
i’m staying out of this, i don’t wanna get banned
im asking because lumii knows better than i do for havoc runs, as i only play havoc with him and a few other specific people
play havoc with ainz
havoc fucking sucks
ainz usually has 4 people from my experience
so theres a chance
ask when he has time or slots
shmalding
why exactly would i listen to you?
someone’s angry…
just sounds like advice bruv
Wallahi I've had enough of the petty drama in this chat, if y'all are gonna make accusations of that nature you better DM a warden with proof or you're getting booted.
and I mean ACTUAL proof not he-said-she-said shit or anecdotal nothings
bruh
yeah zealot chat is never getting off slow mode
i asked ainz for a havoc carry and he provided
alr mb there but i dont normally like asking people for stuff like that
if you want stuff you're either gonna have to ask for it or do it yourself
bro trust me its gonna go off slowmode one day, there'll be a single day with no useless drama bro i swear please
noisy heretic gets the mercy of the emperor as they say
Never happening
i just wanna post my slop gameplay 😭
born to linesplit forced to wait 30 seconds
whenever slow mode goes away i'll post a stan thing so wild that the channel will be on 5min slowmode for the rest of time
Did I miss something I was afk
Never a dull moment around here
nope, no need to scroll up, wholesome zealot chat, happy chat 
post his food and get the entire server's embed perms revoked
me don't care
I'd take the 30 second slow mode in return for people being able to post their builds and images again because thats kinda brutal to restrict lmaoo
I'm arguing with my pc rn
Why is it so hard to boot into safe mode on w11
they're gonna post the f slur instead
Its vista with a new skin
para you almost got shot but the comment was mad funny, respec
Off topic stuff too much of something hence the removal
🤫
because windows 11 fucked up all the booting slop to mess up linux dual boots.
have you tried disabling fast boot and secure boot?
deleting messages is crazy stand by yo shit king
If I elaborate I will be banned immediately (everyone will benefit from it)
i will remain silent
he was banned lol
mod actions
not yet
You can only control how much of a weird day everyone else is having tbf
Paradise was banned.
lemme know what happens
wait really?
What the hell did I miss I'm on my stupid phone
oops lmao, I thought he was being snarky with deleting his messages to avoid moderation mb
oh hell nah, i thought you just deleted his msg because i can still find him in the user list
on bigger servers there is a delay
Yeah the delay with role changes/bans is pretty brutal in big memberlists, discord is miserable for moderation like that
this chat keep falling off
you can just force windows to boot into safe mode by pressing restart while holding shift (and doing some other stuff)
You're gonna have that on these big jobs.
"works on my machine"
Keyboard doesn't work when I do that so I can't select boot in safe mode lol
banned one of the best user, rip homie
i missed what happened
was it just now?
are you sure the keyboard works?
just now yeah
dw about it
but you're supposed to be in the OS when doing that, it should work
Windows :)
Honestly windows 11 has been nothing but misery, I hate it lmao, especially the dumb little UI changes that just make things worse
win 11 has been smooth sailing for me after the first couple of rough months
I got it to boot using command prompt.. gonna try to run some scans now
Pc was running criminally slow for 0 reason
why is literally everything just getting worse? movies, food, pricing, softwares, games, gpus, everything bro
could be a driver issue if you have an old keyboard with the old adapter type its more likely to work
@final mural yup i baught windows 10 ltsc for that reason i give them 2 years to fix win11
win 11 also fixed the only issue i had with 10 and one that has never been addressed since 7
I dodged w11 as long as I could and then the mfers tucked it into an update and I was just locked into it, ive accepted my fate now
I need a priestier tech priest
as they say, runs fine on my machine..
uwu
check dms i wanna know whats wrong with ur pc
slides into your dms
slides knife into ur back
Instructions unclear
Okay so booting into safe mode fixed my pcs slowness but scanning it with web root didn't turn anything up so I might just be fucked lol
maybe your cpu is throttling
throttles u
time to debloat ur pc loser
hold up why is it being slow now if his pc is bloated
bloat is what causes the slowing ie random programs you installed and dont use being in autorun, temp files bloated thumbnail cache etc
Check your task manager, what ks eating system resources
reminder that @remote lark works in IT and if he cant fix the problem himself im stealing his lunch