#zealot-class

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remote lark
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trauma staff explosion

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picture taken 1 frame before disaster

stone fern
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skissue

twin wagon
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let traumaker first

acoustic dune
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hello fellow zealot

copper hawk
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Noob

acoustic dune
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):<

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shut it stinky

gray compass
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y'all should i drop the entirety of the left side to get to sus ass + pious cutthroat?

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martyrdom thammer build

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restoring faith + holy rev should be enough for sustain, right?

acoustic dune
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if you are going for a thammer martydom build

gray compass
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yeah but funny BTFE

acoustic dune
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i think theres a marty build pinned

acoustic dune
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for the thammer build

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the only acceptable way to use shroudfield

gray compass
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ah, no fotf?

acoustic dune
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but if you want big damage

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shroudfield

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with the thammer

gray compass
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fair

grand tangle
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Does shroudfield have a higher dmg number

gray compass
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shroudfield has +backstab & +finesse dmg iirc

acoustic dune
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yes

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much higher

grand tangle
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Do you need the 2nd point in the shroudgield buff to do it?

copper hawk
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Or chastise

acoustic dune
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ask cica

copper hawk
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Yah it has almost 1hk potential

acoustic dune
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not sure myself

copper hawk
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Idk

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I dont use shroud

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It sucks

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It's worse chastise + selfish

acoustic dune
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ill go check

acoustic dune
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since i hardly use it

remote lark
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it would be cool if its base cd was lower than fotf

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so u could use it more but it has obvious downsides compared to fotf still

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but then it would just get abused as infinite stealth zealot

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not fixable

copper hawk
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Nop then zeal would be more broken

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Or something idk

acoustic dune
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@grand tangle

acoustic dune
copper hawk
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Chastise my beloved

hushed knoll
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@solar gorge LAMBDA OMG HI šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜

fleet zealot
hard nexus
hard nexus
# tawdry leaf

with ds4 you could’ve broken his shield pretty easily, and while he was staggered go for revive

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but overall, nice

brisk cape
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āœ…šŸ«”

hard nexus
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apparently heatsink gives you more uptime

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i’d have 2 test it myself but according to lumi

brisk cape
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That’s what I thought too

hard nexus
brisk cape
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Doesn’t seem to help in my experience on auric

hard nexus
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especially on the mk2

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because of the uppercut

hard nexus
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pretty significantly

fleet zealot
brisk cape
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But is it worth running that over the others though

fleet zealot
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It’s nice

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But it’s like BM nice

fleet zealot
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I don’t run it but that’s cause I’m wild and like living on the edge

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A rebel

brisk cape
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🤣

fleet zealot
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Rampage + leakage 56% str maxing

hard nexus
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is pretty notable

fleet zealot
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High finesse of about 1.7

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Iirc

hard nexus
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yah

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that’s pretty decent

fleet zealot
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Maybe a little less

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That’s above average but it’s not massive like knife or duelist sword almost of those

fleet zealot
copper hawk
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Greatly increases ur uptime

grave cypress
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Its zealot chat this might as well be furaffinity all fetishes are required here

hard nexus
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heatsink is better in the aspect of it decreasing downtime

hard nexus
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but cranial gives you weakspot and increases uptime

fleet zealot
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Heatsink doesn’t work at full value if sword is active and gives no damage

hard nexus
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yah

fleet zealot
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Really wish they didn’t make uhhh uhh

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Energy transfer dead on arrival

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Lots of uptime

copper hawk
hard nexus
hard nexus
copper hawk
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Dead on Arrival sounds like a l4d2 campaign

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One Way Ticket .. To Hell !

fleet zealot
# copper hawk

When ur in a doomed timeline but then some idiot in another timeline uses a time manipulation magic item to win a poker game

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So now the BBEG is going to ruin that timeline and is now also introduced to multi timeline multi universe theory

fleet zealot
hard nexus
copper hawk
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When yo mama yo mamas the yo mamaverse w her yoyo mama

hard nexus
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i don’t get it..

fleet zealot
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Cause it’s a shared campaign

hard nexus
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i prefer my autism INDIVIDUALISTIC

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AND CAPITALIST

copper hawk
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Yah ill be good at the party pookie

hard nexus
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH

copper hawk
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I was socialized as an ouppy

hard nexus
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LMFAO

copper hawk
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And i have all my shots !

fleet zealot
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It’s peak tho

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Our tiefling who used the time watch is prob going never live that down

grizzled aspen
fleet zealot
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One in one hundred, rolled twice

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One party member got disintegrated

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Another was turned into a bloody painting on a wall from a critical success throw

hard nexus
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how about they integrate with dis nuts?

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hrm…

normal wren
grizzled aspen
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I called in to work today.

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Seems it's my turn with the stomach bug floating around.

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:(

fleet zealot
polar nexus
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On that I agree with telopots, niche specific conditional blessings are nice but it's better to use generalists blessings: wrath and rampage

hushed knoll
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Lambda what happened to you

solar gorge
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many things

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you still use sex face a lot tho i see

hushed knoll
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It’s not a sex face

hushed knoll
solar gorge
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I care not

hushed knoll
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LAMBDA NO DONT LEAVE

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PLEASE

fleet zealot
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Ferret doing the jojo pose

remote lark
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kills ferret with mind

nimble fiber
hushed knoll
nimble fiber
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hi ston

hushed knoll
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Why are my German homeslices like rare PokƩmon feelsbadman

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Aka you and lambda

nimble fiber
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what

grand tangle
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Germans are too busy making overly complex cars

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This vw is back at our shop for the same diesel fuel pump issue for the 3rd time and it's a 6hr job

acoustic dune
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o god its tacon stan

hushed knoll
hushed knoll
acoustic dune
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hi stan

nimble fiber
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why do I need a pokeball?

hushed knoll
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What is Gucci

hushed knoll
nimble fiber
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why do u wanna contain me stan, im not an scp

violet hornet
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Tacos can't throw pokeballs

hushed knoll
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😠

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Ok that sounds creepy and stalker-y

nimble fiber
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yep

hushed knoll
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But Germans are like rare PokƩmon

hushed knoll
nimble fiber
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are they tho

hushed knoll
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@violet hornet why are you a bean

nimble fiber
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why are u a taco

hushed knoll
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I Stan tacos

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I’m not a taco

nimble fiber
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(is actually a taco but denies it)

hushed knoll
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Ur a taco

nimble fiber
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ur moma a taco frfr

hushed knoll
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What the fuck

gray compass
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for the mk4 chaxe does +elite hit any BPs?

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i'm thinking of maybe running flak+unyielding, i've been using flak +elites

violet hornet
atomic matrix
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How is the MK4 chainaxe meant to fend off hordes? Heavy and push attacks are good but idk in what order

violet hornet
hushed knoll
hushed knoll
violet hornet
hushed knoll
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That’s racist

north sedge
grizzled aspen
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You get some sick power blessings with it though.

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Run headtaker slaughterer and you can cleave a lot of stuff.

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I'm not exactly sure on perks though. I don't use chaxe because I find it to be icky.

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Zealout can get away with using it through IJ and vet can get away with using it through weapon spec. The issue with it is dodge distance.

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But there are so many better options for both keystones.

north sedge
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You can use marty too, personal pref

grizzled aspen
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Like, for example, mk3 evisc may not be numerically superior to either chaxe model, but it feels much nicer to use with IJ, especially with the range.

grizzled aspen
north sedge
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Chaxe is better than eviscerators

grizzled aspen
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I kinda wanna do mk3 evisc martyr with crit cdr now.

normal wren
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I still hate the mk4

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Because I like controlling my camera

grizzled aspen
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I dont like em functionally or aesthetically.

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A chaxe should not be able to be swung with one hand.

gray compass
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i just like the sound they make

grizzled aspen
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That mf is huge.

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Make the haft bigger and use both hands.

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Would make infinitely more sense if it was 2h.

atomic matrix
normal wren
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The mk4 made me motion sick though

grizzled aspen
normal wren
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Stick on lights is a mistake

grizzled aspen
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IJ has some hidden effects.

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Dodge distance, dodge recovery time, that kind of stuff.

normal wren
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Havent used IJ, why do people use it?

grizzled aspen
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Makes your dodges much better.

normal wren
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Ah ok

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Still gonna use piety 90% of the time myself

grizzled aspen
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And you effectively have upwards of 12 stacks on average when you play.

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Because, yknow, inebriates poise.

atomic matrix
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I use it because since I run MK4 Chaxe I wanted each light attack to hurt, so the extra damage seemed good, now I will learn there is more to it?!

misty wraith
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at 15 stacks most weapons get a better dps buff from IJ than piety

fleet zealot
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much better = half ur stacks % value

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7.5% at 15 stacks

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great, but i don't think it's massive

worthy edge
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got this as a random drop, is it worth keeping?

fleet zealot
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7.5% better dodges that regen 7.5% quicker

grizzled aspen
nimble fiber
grizzled aspen
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More consistently hitting crit adms with finesse scaling weapons deals way more damage than IJ thought of.

fleet zealot
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crit adms is really only combat blade

grizzled aspen
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Looking relic blade directly in the face with that.

fleet zealot
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and relic blade is a mobility dump + terrible dodges on top of that so IJ is really nice for defensive use

grizzled aspen
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5% base
15/25% piety
30% scourge
Looking at either 50% or 60% crit rate on it.

atomic matrix
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So what weapons works better for each keystone perk?

grizzled aspen
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Though scourge does mean you take wrath.

grizzled aspen
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Like a really loaded question.

fleet zealot
atomic matrix
fleet zealot
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IJ is the generalist, great with all weapons

normal wren
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Also tdr from piety is nice

acoustic dune
fleet zealot
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and buffs dodges of slower, immobile weapons

grizzled aspen
fleet zealot
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piety is for high finesse weapons or abusing crit talents

grizzled aspen
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Rule of thumb, if it has crit blessings, it's piety, if it has shit dodges, IJ, and if it has neither of those issues, martyrdom.

grizzled aspen
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Though there are some cases, like eviscerators, where you can justify using any keystone.

fleet zealot
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IoD and enduring faith

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nah, evi has crit blessings

grizzled aspen
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Eviscerators, I feel, benefit most from IJ, due to their lack of mobility, but they also have shred and can benefit highly from crit cdr.

fleet zealot
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but it is not finesse weapon

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piety is just really overtuned and consistent

atomic matrix
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What about relic?

grizzled aspen
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Relic blade benefits most from piety, methinks.

fleet zealot
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IoD putting fotf on a 10 second cooldown, so 100% uptime on the attack speed buff is ridic

grizzled aspen
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Duellist abuse, crit adms, finesse damage, the whole 9 yards.

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Also you need swing speed and piety is the most consistent with keeping your swings fast.

fleet zealot
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it's finesse is only 1.7 (170%)

grizzled aspen
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Because crit cdr with chastise.

fleet zealot
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and that's only on single target attacks

normal wren
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Thammer should be piety or ij?

fleet zealot
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it's horde clear swings only have a finesse of 0.7 70% or something

fleet zealot
grizzled aspen
atomic matrix
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So I take martyrdom works for maul and hammer

normal wren
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Hmm might have to respec

grizzled aspen
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No crit blessings and martyrdom is super overkill on hammer.

fleet zealot
grizzled aspen
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You are going to oneshot just about everything that isn't a boss in aurics.

fleet zealot
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since mk4 chain axe can ramp to oneshot every non-boss enemy

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so it doesn't need fotf spam

twilit otter
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relic blade is growing on me

fleet zealot
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and mk4 light spam scales really well with attack speed and damage buffs

atomic matrix
fleet zealot
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everything

grizzled aspen
normal wren
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So crusher, thammer

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Evi

grizzled aspen
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Hammer, evisc, crusher.

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Main offenders there.

fleet zealot
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lots of people will go knife, grab IoD but go IJ anyways

grizzled aspen
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But it's still a very consistent keystone outside of those weapons.

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And its one of two options for being a gun zealout.

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Because all the buffs apply to ranged weapons too.

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Do yourself a favor and learn to use laspistol with it.

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You become a literal machinegun.

fleet zealot
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yea

twilit otter
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gun zealot?

fleet zealot
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martyrdom is the only keystone that doesn't buff ranged

grizzled aspen
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The other option for gun zealout is piety, but thats for abusing things like infernus.

north sedge
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Keep your fingers healthy and don't do that

fleet zealot
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gun zealot isn't a real thing, only dance of death and anoint in blood are good talents

grizzled aspen
fleet zealot
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and we don't have a way to sustain ammo like all the other ranged builds for the other classes

hard nexus
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but otherwise agreed

fleet zealot
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like mk4 chain axe

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once again, is weird and skips duelist

atomic matrix
grizzled aspen
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Duellist, surgical, hand cannon revolvers allowing you to 1tap tknife a crusher:

normal wren
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Something like this make sense for thammer?

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Or do I still pick up duelist?

grizzled aspen
fleet zealot
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just go blood redemption

grizzled aspen
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I think you have one point left over after that, and I'd take grevious wounds for rager stagger bps.

fleet zealot
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don't drop anoint/purge

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on hammer

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you need to use your range more often with hammer anyways

grizzled aspen
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I'm only viewing Bandits messages because they are typing an awful lot and I just wanna throw this out there that taking anoint and purge over twbs means youre gonna get stunned out of your hammer bonks quite a lot.

fleet zealot
grizzled aspen
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Especially annoying because your horde clear is heavy spam.

twilit otter
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is shroudfield with thunder hammer a thing?

fleet zealot
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go sober frog

fleet zealot
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and also worse pathing

grizzled aspen
normal wren
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Thks

grizzled aspen
fleet zealot
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idk how frog doesn't realize you can have both twbs and anoint+purge

tidal berry
grizzled aspen
fleet zealot
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and good balance for some more DR and encouragement to dodge

normal wren
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Yeah realized thay

grizzled aspen
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You can keep purge and anoint if you swap to blood redemption.

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I'm goofy and blind to not have seen that.

fleet zealot
tidal berry
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Idk outside of havoc Idk if you even need twbs outside of playing gameboy sequences

fleet zealot
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mk4 chaxe can skip it if you unbind special action

tidal berry
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on chain weapons and thammer I understand it though

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chain weapons esp frustrate me

grizzled aspen
tidal berry
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which is why I do not use chain weapons except evi

grizzled aspen
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Wait you said outside of havocs...

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Brain scrampled egg...

normal wren
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Yee twbs is a meme in havoc

tidal berry
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I'm not gonna sit there and self-stun myself for 2 seconds so my character casts his WoW spell in this hack and slash game. Who the fuck thought that was good design honestly?

fleet zealot
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same issue ogryns are having

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if they simply, remove that, then it feels just like a normal, indistinct weapon

tidal berry
fleet zealot
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only for chsword

tidal berry
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Well, even that one is like

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you get one massive dmg at last tick

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you can chastise to get it even juicier

normal wren
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I mean it lets you onetap ragers

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Also vet doesnt get the nice zealot weapons

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So csword was really a vet thing

hard nexus
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why does mk13g deal more damage to a crusher than mk3 evis

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on a rev heavy

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grrr

grizzled aspen
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Fatshark, give zealout shovels and my life is yours.

normal wren
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I would

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Run

grizzled aspen
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I want so badly to do mk1 shovel with martyrdom.

normal wren
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The shit

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Out of that

grizzled aspen
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No, mk1.

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
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Mk1 is better.

normal wren
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Speed thrusting crushers

delicate shadow
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I'd be keen for shovels being opened up to all classes

grizzled aspen
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I will fight you to the death on this hill.

hard nexus
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speed thrusting ur mom

remote lark
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@delicate shadow did u know u can use shovel on zealot

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in 1 specific mission

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only

normal wren
grizzled aspen
delicate shadow
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yes I know about that

fleet zealot
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maybe i am on that mk4 chaxe superiority complex

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i'm on my high horse

tidal berry
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anyway you know how you could give me something actually impactful and weighty? Turn the big helbore into a halberd, now give it to zealot, done.

umbral kindle
remote lark
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oui

fleet zealot
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can't relate to your poor rev issues

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that don't kill anything

delicate shadow
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halberd pls...

fleet zealot
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and take forever

grizzled aspen
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I want a polearm so fucking bad man.

normal wren
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I mean for everything the mk4 is a rev

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
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I want to skewer a bulwark's brain with a spear.

hard nexus
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real

delicate shadow
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rev issues
someone never learned to drive stick

tidal berry
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we had it right there, we had hb3 with bromentum and limbsplitter

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it was broken

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it was beatiful

nimble fiber
tidal berry
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all we needed was to rework alt fire into a stance swap, add some bash/block animation and voila, halberd at home..

Ok thats a lot of animator work to be fair

delicate shadow
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a wider variety of weapons instead of having just more marks would be swell

normal wren
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Yeah

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I want a 2 handed shovel

tidal berry
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they could start polishing the existing ones that sorta suck

hard nexus
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!!!

normal wren
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For vet

tidal berry
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and some of the restrictions are still senseless to me

hard nexus
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it was my first 1 million damage game with mk3 evis

normal wren
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Or a pickaxe

tawdry leaf
delicate shadow
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a flail would be swell too

tidal berry
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I'd like one

north sedge
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Chainpen

tidal berry
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I like it on sienna

tawdry leaf
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I need to swing a giant spiky metal ball at my enemiesšŸ™šŸ™

copper hawk
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I like uh

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Josho's idea

delicate shadow
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I'd like to have a 1 handed flail and a 2 handed flail

frosty herald
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relic blade on vet

copper hawk
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For chain weapons

delicate shadow
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not enough games to 2h flails

copper hawk
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NO MORE BROKEN FOR VET

nimble fiber
copper hawk
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Vet gets NO TOYZ this time

tidal berry
fleet zealot
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I WANT MORE CHAXE

tawdry leaf
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Can we give veteran a bow

fleet zealot
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3rd chaxe variant

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2handed chaxe

fleet zealot
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dual chaxes

copper hawk
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Equal attention force sword

tidal berry
frosty herald
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i dont think marks would be that drastic to be a 2 handed weapon

nimble fiber
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dual anything

tidal berry
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dual hovy sword

delicate shadow
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dual shovels

tidal berry
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ok that does sound funy

twilit otter
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dual knives šŸ˜†

tidal berry
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but I'd dig a sword and dagger

fleet zealot
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3 different things

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3rd chaxe variant
then 3 two handed chaxes
then 3 dual chaxes

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this is the way

tidal berry
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or give ogryn different weps to pair with the shield, but that implies you'd do anything other than spam heavies which use the shield anyway

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I often forget that its even paired with a ''weapon''

fleet zealot
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light spam shieldgry

tidal berry
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aeugh

nimble fiber
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bless u

tawdry leaf
tidal berry
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I just refunded all the vermintide 2 DLCs I bought like, yesterday

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cause its on sale

polar nexus
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Does the relic blade make use of grievous wounds?

hard nexus
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they can stagger ragers without it

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and crushers

tawdry leaf
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Give zealot a dual bladed glaive

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That’d be fucking sick icl

tidal berry
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I kinda still want helbores for zealot

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could juice it into viability with chastise and whatever Idk

tidal berry
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yea

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the gun part is pretty busted as is on vet

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but imo darktide is sleeping HEAVILY on hybrid weapons

hard nexus
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helbore is good but the haters ( @spare talon ) will never admit it

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it just needs a much faster draw

delicate shadow
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if alt-fire for hybrid weapons was stance-switching between ranged use and a melee mode, that'd make them way more interesting

tidal berry
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Its supposed to counteract that with an actually good bayonet except... its not good. The stabby ones have some busted properties though I guess (mainly they have very high stagger, you can bayo charge and you can spam the poke attack very fast)

sullen forge
tidal berry
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I think a stance swap and even room for actual melee blessings on your hybrid weapon would be the ideal direction to go but probably never happening

sullen forge
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It would be incredibly good if it’s draw speed was buffed

tidal berry
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They just did that indirectly

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with vet tree buff

hard nexus
tidal berry
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you can sort of eliminate the issue with exe use

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but it doesnt work because bayo doesnt hold a candle to a real melee

sullen forge
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I don’t think the average veteran player wants to run Exe over the other two options to be blunt

tidal berry
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so I pop exe, shoot two gunners and then immediately have to swap to melee again because my bayo is fucking worthless and cant even deal with a few chaff in timely fashion

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that is because I used the mark fatshark forgot about

twilit otter
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I use the bayonet pretty much exclusively to kill mutants

tidal berry
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but it was still a bad enough experience I put it away and havent really touched it again

twilit otter
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its a good tool but not your primary melee

tidal berry
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Its the same issue with GG on ogryn

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they just botched these weapons so badly

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and the ''melee'' on headhunters is downright pathetic, waste of animator work

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why pay for all this work if you're gonna make these things worthless fluff?

copper hawk
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hm 2day i will cary noobs in darktide

twilit otter
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most of the melee on ogryn weapons are at least useful because you can use it to interupt trash while you are reloading to get toughness back

tidal berry
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oh yeah you can bash that dog with your vraks melee, or you could actually play the game?

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very cool

delicate shadow
# hard nexus that would be really cool

stance-switching in general is something that I think tide games would benefit a ton from, alt-fire is either something that's useless and tacked on or it's core to the weapon like on activation weapons and there's no real inbetween

copper hawk
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i like the melee tbh

twilit otter
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I havent used non bayonet melee on non ogryn weapons though. Dont see the point.

copper hawk
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it gives the weapon some character

tidal berry
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Its cute, its cool, I like the animation

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functionally worthless however

delicate shadow
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well I suppose the inbetween is the generic alt-fires you find on tac axes and such where it's just a stagger button

copper hawk
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ur not supposed to be using your ranged weapon in melee anyways

delicate shadow
#

but that to me is uninteresting

copper hawk
#

which is probably why the melee sucks

#

so you're forced to swap weapons as a noob

fleet zealot
fleet zealot
#

PEEEEETTTS

hard nexus
#

sooo useful

tidal berry
#

Well no, headhunters are meh for other reasons to be fair

grave cypress
#

The bayonettes are worthless? Ive seen high levels only use it

copper hawk
#

since a lot of ppl struggle initially with the whole melee and ranged stuff

delicate shadow
copper hawk
#

back in my day the vraks 3 was peak..

fleet zealot
#

vigilants are just good and that's not good enough for some people smh

sullen forge
#

I’m not taking bash slander with the amount of times it saved me from surprise bursters

hard nexus
fleet zealot
#

i'll use my mk3 vigilant and mk4 chaxe

#

no one can stop me except havoc

tidal berry
copper hawk
#

im having trouble grasping like

#

why we need the wpn bashes to be buffed

sullen forge
copper hawk
#

they're get out of my face stagger buttons for vets who cant pull their melees out

hard nexus
sullen forge
#

The amount of times I’m in ā€œsniping modeā€ and a burster comes out of no where

copper hawk
#

the weapon with the bayonet should have funny bayonet

sullen forge
#

And it has saved me

#

Is a surprising amount

hard nexus
delicate shadow
#

we need yataghan bayonets

#

beloved

grizzled aspen
#

I think the helbore bayonets need to be diversified a little more.

fleet zealot
#

shredder is bad

#

vigilants are good

#

objectively

#

above average

#

their biggest downside is lack of cleave IMO

grizzled aspen
#

One should be a "get off me" tool for chaff, one should be an anti armor chop, and one should do short sweeps.

fleet zealot
#

and lower than average maniac

#

so maniac usually eats your perk slot

north sedge
#

One bayonet should have meat skewered on it so it cooks while you shoot

grizzled aspen
#

By short sweeps I mean cleave enough to kill 3 or 4 chaff.

#

(it will absolutely get fucked on its cleave by one single dreg bruiser)

tidal berry
#

this gun is on a game with point and click death lasers or ''hold this button to clear this entire pack''

copper hawk
#

we need PIGSTICKER bayonet

misty wraith
#

vigilants are ok but theyre nothing more than that

tidal berry
#

I guess I could enjoy it if they worked on the ads movement speeds a bit and then I added a mod to disable viewmodels entirely for them

misty wraith
#

with autofire mod they get bumped up to decent

tidal berry
#

only then I could stomach putting on a headhunter again

sullen forge
#

The Vigilants I unironically think are fine but look I’ll take any buffs if people are still bitching about them

#

Veteran makes them obviously solid weapons cause of their Finesse values and Precision strikes

tidal berry
#

Idk why ppl are obsessing on the power scaling aspect

#

yes the gun has good numbers high finesse yada yada

#

it fucking sucks to shoot though

sullen forge
#

The gun is simply not meant for you then

grizzled aspen
sullen forge
#

Cause I love the damn thing

tidal berry
#

vanilla gunplay experience is abysmal dogshit

#

shooting exe headhunter with like

grizzled aspen
#

Exe headhunter is fun.

tidal berry
#

what is effectively 30 FoV, with a viewmodel that doesnt even show where the bullet goes

grizzled aspen
#

Boltgun is funny though.

sullen forge
#

That’s a way you can play it

#

I literally run it as a fuck this elite or special in particular tool

#

With VOC/Infil depending on the day

grizzled aspen
#

Exhilarating takedown is hilarious on exe headhunter because you can literally just bot walk through an auric mael with no issues until you have to fight carapace or dreg ragers.

sullen forge
#

Not insane but it’s drastically noticeable

grizzled aspen
#

No, I never would've guessed a flat 10% rending to all outgoing damage would help...

#

Exe stance allows you to brute force dreg ragers if you can hit your headshots.

tidal berry
grizzled aspen
tidal berry
#

I hit shots that didn't even align with my targets

grizzled aspen
#

I have the no sights plugin with weapon customization just so I can actually aim without the jitter fucking me over.

twilit otter
tidal berry
#

I just dont think its even needed anymore with how fat boltgun bullets are

tidal berry
grizzled aspen
#

I can shoot a gunner by aiming over his shoulder.

#

The round should pass by him but the game says "hey you hit a headshot."

twilit otter
#

yea I would rather have it be that forgiving though considering how bad the iron sights are and the recoil

#

bolter in its original form was a nightmare to use

tidal berry
#

yeah every gun should be room deletion machine beamatron 9000

#

with how slow FS works this will just become the new normal for boltgun

twilit otter
#

you think boltgun is more OP than plasma gun?

tidal berry
#

and these are the same spineless company that insta-reverted their teeny tiny plasma nerf over reddit tears

sullen forge
#

It’s not about winning at that point

#

It’s about sending a message

tidal berry
#

you think they could stand for ''boltgun nerf'' tears if they fixed the sight alignment and decided to go back on bullet size? Its here to stay.

tidal berry
#

like, ever

twilit otter
#

the game is obviously not balanced around a high level

#

its balanced for malice babies

sullen forge
#

Another 50 buffs for plasma

lament blaze
#

i think cc is the biggest offender for what breaks the game

#

n not the high damage of stuff like bolter and plasma

#

i am not saying that these weapons arent overpowered

tidal berry
#

Might even be more likely that FS looks at the weapon data, sees that its like, 3 people using it with really high winrate and go ''this is viable'' and move on

#

I'd expect it from them

lament blaze
#

but if fs are to nerf something I think shout, book, smite, and bubble should get attention first

#

and also remove DS ability to instantly stagger a crusher because that's just ridiculous

fleet zealot
#

smite got buffed when it was already strong

twilit otter
#

CC is kinda required when the directer decides to throw 50 crushers and maulers at you in high difficulty

fleet zealot
twilit otter
#

when you are trapped in a room

twin wagon
#

Running breaks the game, no cc required

fleet zealot
#

so yea the opposite, lots of smite cc 0 damage builds prob dragged down the winrate

#

so they were like

lament blaze
#

im not saying CC shouldn't exist but it's so plentiful and repeatable

fleet zealot
#

yea smite needs 50% more damage

grizzled aspen
twilit otter
grizzled aspen
#

Exe stance lets me oneshot everything and 3shot crushers.

grizzled aspen
twilit otter
#

what about the weapon swap speed difference

lament blaze
#

ease of use can be a big factor for making something OP

grizzled aspen
remote lark
#

cleaves through a whole horde to kill specialists

#

v op

grizzled aspen
#

You wanna know something funny?

sullen forge
#

We need more psyker buffs

grizzled aspen
#

You can jump with boltgun without losing accuracy.

#

The model might move around but the accuracy remains on target.

remote lark
#

"jump with boltgun and cleave horde with half a mag"
or
"shoot 1 plasma bullet and kill specialist and everything standing in front of it"

#

that is why ppl take plasma

grizzled aspen
#

I know this because my vet is a manlet and I have to jump to nail some specialists.

lament blaze
remote lark
#

delete psyker

grizzled aspen
#

In fact if you use it wrong it's quite bad.

lament blaze
#

bubble more than any other ability warps the havoc meta though

grizzled aspen
#

One reaper can drop it in seconds.

twilit otter
#

ogryn needs work before anything

grizzled aspen
sullen forge
#

Minus the things that need nerfs

spare dome
#

bubble needs a rework and i dont think its fine tbh

sullen forge
#

But still

twilit otter
#

psyker, vet and zealot are all doing fine in their own way

lament blaze
#

"in seconds" sure but the way bubble works is it has a grace period after each time it takes damage where it cant take damage again for a short while

spare dome
#

i find it pants-on-head that bubble deletes projectiles inside of itself

grizzled aspen
remote lark
#

havoc problem

#

not psyker problem

spare dome
#

and also 'seconds' is 6.6 seconds

remote lark
#

there r better ways to make something hard

#

than making trash mobs insta kill u

grizzled aspen
sullen forge
#

Smoke Grenades:

grizzled aspen
#

Meaning you have no time to reset your cdr and drop another.

spare dome
#

really dome should be 2.5x healthier or more cause rn it has the same HP as a wall

sullen forge
#

But yknow it’s such a sin to run smoke ever on Veteran

spare dome
#

and its nonsense that its best use is dropping it on enemies instead of on allies

lament blaze
# remote lark havoc problem

There should be a primary modifier slot for Havoc.

that can either be emperor's fading light or something else instead.

Maybe something like "elites attack faster and cannot be crowed controlled by any means"

tidal berry
#

Huh, HHs have opening salvo

grizzled aspen
tidal berry
#

I thought that was only for the single fire one

grizzled aspen
sullen forge
tidal berry
#

Does this work for the full burst or only first bullet?

grizzled aspen
#

Maybe good on graia.

sullen forge
#

Path and I did the math

remote lark
sullen forge
#

Only good with the G7

remote lark
#

"double fading light!"

tidal berry
#

I want to make a meme build with it

lament blaze
#

or a better idea but i think emperor's fading light is too much of a crutch for havoc's difficulty and havoc deserves more variance for where the difficulty comes from

grizzled aspen
#

Yes, in that we agree.

sullen forge
grizzled aspen
#

Fading light sucks.

sullen forge
#

You’ll lock yourself into the G7 though

#

So no burst variants

tidal berry
lament blaze
#

im okay with fading light but i just think it should be one of several possible ways for havoc to be CBT

grizzled aspen
#

Actually wait.

sullen forge
#

Maybe?

grizzled aspen
#

Does ghost trigger dodge talents on zealout?

sullen forge
#

It’s fucking insane on Veteran

grizzled aspen
#

Like duellist and whatnot?

sullen forge
#

Idk I don’t pay attention

remote lark
#

it does not

grizzled aspen
remote lark
#

ghost is a blessing that makes you immune to ranged attacks on weakspot hit

tidal berry
#

thought so, it would be rather insane if it did

remote lark
#

it has nothing to do with dodging

#

zealot has it on laspistol.

grizzled aspen
remote lark
#

noone cares about vet

#

its the forgotten child of fatshark

grizzled aspen
#

I'm just saying this is blessing racism.

sullen forge
tidal berry
#

laspistol is lowkey the best ''normal'' weapon

lament blaze
grizzled aspen
#

Works for vet but not for zealout.

remote lark
#

ogryn is just fat racist zealot

#

prove me wrong

tidal berry
#

in a sea of like ''cleave everything on your screen'' options, there be laspistol, S tier in its own unique way

lament blaze
#

i thought zealot was racist zealot

#

:P

tidal berry
lament blaze
tidal berry
#

I mean they both snort all the ammo to shoot chaff whats the difference anyway

remote lark
normal wren
#

Stripped down makes it funnier

tidal berry
normal wren
#

Stripped down->duck and dive->run n gun

tidal berry
#

a lot of DT ranged weapons at this point have all of those 3 things combined going for them

lament blaze
#

what does ADM mean?

tidal berry
#

dont worry about it

lament blaze
twin wagon
lament blaze
#

someone once told me that I am "very accurate with the bolter"

No... no no.. the bolter is very accurate with the bolter

twin wagon
clever swan
#

the bolter's recoil is so weird tho

twin wagon
#

Some steam users were arguing about dumping stability

lament blaze
#

my crosshair is nowhere near that gunner let alone that gunner's head

#

and yet, here we are

copper hawk
#

guys

#

i did a thing

sullen forge
#

That being

copper hawk
#

thoughtz ?

#

going for a dreg look

lament blaze
#

helmet too snazzy for dreg

copper hawk
#

felt naked without helmet

#

and the right shoulder armor color is the same as the krieg helmet

#

for some rsn

#

not complainin i like the darker armor

kind hedge
#

Heavy sword goat

lament blaze
#

"dreg from the neck down"

grizzled aspen
#

So it should trigger, but doesn't.

normal wren
#

True true

#

Wonder if stripped down works with it

copper hawk
grizzled aspen
sullen forge
normal wren
sullen forge
#

Duck and Dive or Zeal talents

kind hedge
#

My zealot class is once again my favorite thanks to the advice fr

sullen forge
#

Unsure

rapid sundial
#

Quick question: I run a dueling sword and a recon lasgun for my zealot. I use mobility as a dump stat. Is this a good idea or would another one be better?

twilit otter
normal wren
#

I mostly use stripped down on my vet for a theoretical f gunners setup

grizzled aspen
#

Collateral is stagger and you don't need that because you want headshots.

normal wren
#

Stripped down->duck and dive->run n gun lets you just run and kill gunners

twilit otter
grizzled aspen
#

Heavy sword is great, relic blade is the goat though.

twilit otter
#

heavy sword is old meta

hard nexus
kind hedge
#

Relic sword is goat, but I’m just trying to grind up my last pistol before I work on Relic

grizzled aspen
hard nexus
twilit otter
#

dueling sword has a better damage profile than heavy sword in all cases but horde clear, and has an improved mobility profile

grizzled aspen
#

Scuba, please stop talking.

twilit otter
#

also relic blade now just face roll your keyboard and delete everything in front of you

grizzled aspen
#

You are making a fool of yourself.

twin wagon
kind hedge
#

I just like the heavy sword

remote lark
#

what is scuba saying thats wrong

normal wren
remote lark
#

hsword is better at horde clear than d s

#

but thats all

normal wren
#

Any way to deal with carapace with the hsword?

remote lark
#

yeah!

#

take bolter

#

and dont

#

:)

grizzled aspen
grizzled aspen
twin wagon
violet hornet
#

Try cleaving 5 shotgunner heads off with one ds4 attack, I'll wait

remote lark
twilit otter
hard nexus
normal wren
#

The armor pen

grizzled aspen
#

Hsword has this funny thing called deathblow that lets you take the heads off 7 ragers in one stroke.

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
hard nexus
#

yeah

#

a buff

grizzled aspen
#

On 9 at least.

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
#

You don't need a couple, just one.

stone fern
acoustic dune
#

ey ey gayners

hard nexus
grizzled aspen
twilit otter
#

heavy sword is good dont get me wrong but its not the best anymore. Its too reliant on FotF

acoustic dune
#

what is frog babbling about

copper hawk
#

Uhm otay

hard nexus
#

the zealot mind cannot comprehend not being able to kill everything instantly

grizzled aspen
#

Free thinking zealouts know better.

neat grove
twin wagon
#

Steam thinks indignatus is not viable

#

....

stone fern
#

ur washed

#

its over

polar nexus
#

Relic recon is such a nice combo

grizzled aspen
twin wagon
#

Maul obviously

#

No Crusher

grizzled aspen
#

Maul is not viable.

#

That shit is so ass.

hard nexus
#

maul is

copper hawk
#

i love maul

hard nexus
#

it’s just boring

copper hawk
#

yah

twin wagon
#

I've run maul on my soyker

grizzled aspen
#

ADMs are good but its damage is so low.

twin wagon
#

Funny I completed havok 40 by never pulling out my melee

#

But no the point was crusher

grizzled aspen
#

For soyker that honestly isn't an issue.

sullen forge
twin wagon
#

and saying it's dogshit

sullen forge
#

Lmao

grizzled aspen
#

Trauma staff go brrrr.

polar nexus
#

What's the blessings on crusher now btw?

hard nexus
sullen forge
hard nexus
#

carapace unyielding

polar nexus
#

Moist thankful

sullen forge
#

I’m still occasionally using Hammer + Skull cause it’s just fucking funny

copper hawk
#

3 VEG !!!

polar nexus
#

Also does anyone have the cleave values for the relic?

#

Wartide is not updated...

grizzled aspen
#

Mmm summer sausage and cheese for lunch again...

copper hawk
#

Yuckers

#

Smoothie 4 me

remote lark
#

i didn't test cleave values i just hit things until i found something that made brain itch

copper hawk
#

Yummer

remote lark
#

in psych

copper hawk
#

I love fresh fruit ..

remote lark
#

idk exact #'s

grizzled aspen
#

Scratch it.

#

Scratch your brain.

polar nexus
#

I wanted to know what wrath + rampage would do to MK2 lights

violet hornet
grizzled aspen
#

I aint doing it.

twin wagon
grizzled aspen
#

Yeah but not in this context.

sullen forge
#

Possibly

grizzled aspen
#

I'm talking about a food.

#

Goofy.

twin wagon
rocky nacelle
#

@sullen forge

violet hornet
#

Yo ass needs a vegetable

grizzled aspen
#

Nope, not getting me to eat those either.

#

I'm peasantmaxxing.

violet hornet
#

Have some gruel then

grizzled aspen
#

Ok not that much of peasantry.

sullen forge
polar nexus
grizzled aspen
#

Maybe like yeomanmaxxing.

spare dome
#

mmm a delicious loaf of wood bread

sullen forge
#

Beastars car goes unfathomably hard

violet hornet
#

Maybe some soup in a can since you're not feeling well lol

spare dome
#

made with naturally sourced sawdust and ground rock

grizzled aspen
spare dome
#

now i shall fulfill the lords work by tilling the fields, which is coincidentally exactly what the king wants me to do too

grizzled aspen
#

Too nauseous to drive to go get any either.

violet hornet
#

Ahh that sucks

#

If only Panera was reasonably priced lol

spare dome
#

being sick is the only time i excuse myself and use UberEats

grizzled aspen
grizzled aspen
normal wren
#

I consume protein shakes for most of my meals

rocky nacelle
neat grove
normal wren
violet hornet
#

Steaks with shakes?

#

šŸ¤”

#

If only there were some manner of establishment that served these together

normal wren
#

I basically eat solids on fridays, saturdays, and sundays

stone fern
normal wren
#

Or for occasions

polar nexus
grizzled aspen
sullen forge
#

I won’t lie

grizzled aspen
#

This was when I was eating like a fat POS and not being healthy.

normal wren
#

Like yesterday I had half a cheesesteak, half a reuben, and half another thing I don't know

stone fern
normal wren
#

Because work brought free food

hushed knoll
grizzled aspen
normal wren
#

I need 100g of protein to maintain my gains while cutting

hushed knoll
twin wagon
grizzled aspen
vale thicket
#

Zealot Heads, I've been getting my crackhead zealot up to snuff and wanted to ask:

Any meaningful difference between running 2 Toughness/1 HP or 3 Toughness for curios?

hushed knoll
solar gorge
stone fern
#

you cant just eat green all the time you need yellow and sometimes red/dark brown

hushed knoll
#

It’s not my fault they’re huge and muscular

vale thicket
normal wren
grizzled aspen
copper hawk
#

i hate cspawns

#

so much

stone fern
hushed knoll
vale thicket
grizzled aspen
#

You want a Tauren to manhandle you dude, you are going to get mpreg reacted.

twin wagon
normal wren
#

Its too late its in the book

grizzled aspen
hushed knoll
#

What is in the books

twin wagon
#

Idk who wouldn't want a Tauren to ride around, free transport

grizzled aspen
hushed knoll
normal wren
#

Ride wife, good life

#

Wife fight back

north sedge
normal wren
#

Kill wife

hushed knoll
grizzled aspen
solar gorge
#

i must disown you

hushed knoll
grizzled aspen
#

Stan is a furry.

copper hawk
#

Dispwn u

hushed knoll
#

IM NOT

normal wren
grizzled aspen
#

Indeed, still furry.

solar gorge
#

you are no longer inheriting my extremely large wealth

grizzled aspen
#

Big booba, still furry.

hushed knoll
rocky nacelle
solar gorge
#

yes

twin wagon
#

Technically tauren are not furriee if it's only Tauren he likes, aslong as he doesn't play a worgen or a dumbass horde fox

solar gorge
#

shut up