zealot-class

[runic grotto]

Except now we have dueling sword

And relic blades are also really good

[idle wagon]

i havent played in almost a year, but i used to use chainsaw blade thing

[frank night]

Its been THIRTY SECONDS STAN

[runic grotto]

There are like 6 different chain weapons

[idle wagon]

the chainsaw blade?

[runic grotto]

2 of them are axes

[idle wagon]

the sword

[runic grotto]

There are chain swords and eviscerators

[idle wagon]

i ran both

[runic grotto]

Chain swords always kinda sucked

[idle wagon]

i used it a lot to kill big enemies was fun

[grizzled aspen]

Mk13 chord is better than both evisc models and its not even close.

[runic grotto]

Maybe, I am just a big fan of the other evis

[idle wagon]

i did play over a year ago so

[runic grotto]

whatever the newer ones mark is

[idle wagon]

i think it was the 2 handed, recently switched to the force sword

[runic grotto]

@idle wagon What do you want? Do you want a build or something else?

[idle wagon]

relic*

i mean im working towards a meta build, just i dont get good rolls XD

[runic grotto]

Like, just tell us and in 5 seconds boom all your wishes come true

wdym you don't get good rolls

[idle wagon]

for blessings

[runic grotto]

Just change them

[idle wagon]

i got nothing to change them to?

[runic grotto]

Get the blessings to change them to

[idle wagon]

they changed it idk how anymore

[runic grotto]

mastery in inventory

Go there

[stone fern]

the crafting system got updated

now the more mastry you have on a weapon family the more points you get to unlock blessings

once unlocked you can put them on that weapon freely

[solar mountain]

barely sentient

[idle wagon]

my current stuff

[fleet zealot]

e transfer is trash get cranial grounding instead

take surgical on bistol and take off stam for flak or elites, you also want to find a collateral dump one (max potential collat 60%, all other stats max potential 80%)

ur talents are pretty, weird but im too eepy

your curios can be fully modified now no more locks

yo do not want wound curios unless you are martyrdom

[idle wagon]

if someone can help me change the stuff and give me a better tree then tell me, but i am able to do auric pretty easily

[fleet zealot]

cause auric is easy

[idle wagon]

i said help me with the build not be a asshole

[fleet zealot]

im not exactly focusing just on you

[tropic pelican]

can take the point from blood redemption and put it on one of your blazing piety paths

[fleet zealot]

u can uhh wait till i'm done with all my other stuff

[solar mountain]

get rid of blood redemption, and holy cause. grab rising fury and righteous warrior.

[idle wagon]

i got 2 builds

[tropic pelican]

mk10 relic blade also doesn't really need thy wrath be swift so you could put those points somewhere else as well

gunners, reapers and shotgunners also don't stun/push you anymore

[stone fern]

tbh i really wouldnt use beacon of purity outside of havoc

[idle wagon]

i am setting up for havok though

[stone fern]

oh yeah carry on then

but still beacon of purity is jut for blight spreads

its not that useful outside of it

[idle wagon]

has kept me alive and this is a more defensive support build

i got other build tree as well

[solar mountain]

yeah regardless you want fury rising, helps your up time for BP

[idle wagon]

i cant remember which is blood redemption

[fleet zealot]

throwing knives fall off in havoc cause of harder breakpoints and pox hardened modifier makes it even worse

so having a backup immolation build is good

[idle wagon]

oh, ill take it from second wind, i dont time dodges as well as i kill yet, i can dodge some but not the best

[fleet zealot]

no

take it from blood redemption

[stone fern]

second wind is great

[fleet zealot]

second wind is the best talent

in the game

[solar mountain]

Getting better at dodges makes you kill better

[stone fern]

blood redemption gives you like 4 toughness per kill

[fleet zealot]

if you feel you aren't using it enough, you need to learn to dodge better

[stone fern]

its not that good

[fleet zealot]

3.5 iirc

[stone fern]

its not as much as second wind anyways

and its always active

you can dodge enemies from far away and suddenly you get 20 toughness

[idle wagon]

i also got this

if you guys wanna send me better trees do so, but atm this is what i got to work with

[fleet zealot]

just something i threw together, i don't like ecclesiarch's call because teammates aren't building for it so it's meaningful impact is low

[fleet zealot]

backstab cdr>>> swift certainty

[idle wagon]

also have this

[stone fern]

eh theyre both mid

[fleet zealot]

wrath is for gas/21st modifiers, otherwise use cranial grounding or energy leakage

[fleet zealot]

backstab cdr is workable, any staggered/stunned enemy is free eats

[stone fern]

idk i felt it was too clunky from when i did its penance

[solar mountain]

Backstabs just aren’t always achievable so sometimes it’s a dead node, not bad just situational.

[fleet zealot]

they are

majority of weapons have a backstab farming combo

[idle wagon]

my brain now hurts

[fleet zealot]

i hate this

[solar mountain]

Most of the time I’m just stabbing someone in the head rather than going behind them but this is just subjective thoughts at this point

[fleet zealot]

if you have someone running beacon already, taking benediction is just so good

saves you 2 points

not having purge the unclean sucks

[idle wagon]

anyone wanna hop in vc and explain

or help me out

[fleet zealot]

box that makes you float

[idle pewter]

Oh shit he floatin

[acoustic dune]

springloaded ferret

ferret jumpscare when

[idle wagon]

ill just figure it out myself by looking at youtube

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[stone fern]

deserved for playing in third person

[zinc talon]

I guess maybe the tox flamer jostled me up into the air and broke my guard?

I'm genuinely baffled

[stone fern]

🚬

an fps gamer would have known....

[zinc talon]

yep, zigged when I shoulda zagged

classic pitfall

I guess that's just havoc 40, was my first playthrough at that rank

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-rice-fields-japan-gif-16533178

that no toughness grace period is just especially awful on ogryn

all my deaths were preluded by going from full health to ten health before I could even turn around

get lined up by a group of standard shooters or one/two gunners and that's it, life is tough on these streets

[lean lark]

the director on its way to spawn 3 scab stalkers positioned exactly around you with a 90° difference of location each so you lose 20% of your hp instantly

fuck hav40 scab stalkers

[zinc talon]

I'm not sure if there's any real room for personal improvement on it either

it's just one frame outta 150fps they all turn and blam

I guess you can lower the chances with better los and placement but dorktard gonna dorktard, it won't help prevent it entirely

[runic grotto]

Isn't cranial just better

I remember someone posted some math here

Wait which one is leakage

[fleet zealot]

cranial is good but i found myself liking the extra strength for edging around 50-90% better

leakage is strength based on current charge

[runic grotto]

Shit I confused leakage with heatsink

nvm then

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627034802574589958/1322080556607082547/video-152811046_456244304-480.gif

[kindred pier]

Anyone else thinks this is useless? By the time you come out of holding the relic your team should've already disposed of all the stunned enemies

so theres nobody to actually hit you and use the damage reduction granted by this

[visual stream]

It's made even worse by the fact that golden toughness is probably the most overpowered defense in the game

The damage upgrade is debatably not worth the point either but if you have the spare point and really want it, sure

[stone fern]

yeah theyre pretty useless i never got to 5 pulses outside of havoc

[kindred pier]

4 people getting 20% dmg boost against a boss feels pretty nice

[runic grotto]

everyone

[stone fern]

by the time you get to 5 pulses a zealot with a thammer or a ds4 would have done more damage to a boss

actually even a taxe

[runic grotto]

Why would you need 30% tdr when you just stunlocked everything and gave everyone +100 gold toughness?

I mean it's not bad, 30% tdr is nice but 20% damage is just better in all situations

[visual stream]

In a very point-taxed tree like zealot's, I would say neither are worth but the TDR is miles further behind

[runic grotto]

20% is a lot

[kindred pier]

you could theoritcally pop relic before entering a new area and then shoot everything in sight with the buff

[runic grotto]

Pop relic after entering a new area instead?

[visual stream]

The problem with that is that with how long 5 pulses' worth of stunning is, everything should be dead before you even get the buff

[runic grotto]

Why use relic before you meet your enemies? You are actively making your ability worse by using it wrong just to justify the 30% tdr buff

[visual stream]

You're kind of wasting the other utility by using it before a fight and not stunning or advancing with it when the pulses top your golden toughness and have enough to keep replenishing it if you take ranged damage on approach

[stone fern]

that would just be a waste

[kindred pier]

I already said the dmg reduction is dogshit

I meant the dmg buff

[stone fern]

tbh if you think of it that way having an ogryn around with the heavy attack aura is better

[runic grotto]

I can't think of any reasons that make 30% tdr better than 20% damage

[visual stream]

I'm pretty sure we all agree on that here

[pliant otter]

Morning, this good for zealot or should I swap the 5% crit thing? for.. idk unyielding?

[visual stream]

The generally agree-upon rule is that you never want any of the crit perks on a weapon, I'm not a revo user but I can see Unyielding fitting for reapers and bulwarks

Not sure what else fits better if there is something that does

[pliant otter]

Interesting, noted with the crit thing

Thanks

[visual stream]

Np np

Especially with Surgical, a crit chance perk only gives you an extra 1/20 chance versus 25% extra damage on every attack against any enemy with that armor type

[kindred pier]

I just put +25% bonus for Infested and Unyielding enemies on every weapon, smite thy heretics

[visual stream]

Why infested ooc?

It only covers poxwalkers and dogs, both of which are already very squishy without it

[kindred pier]

to stack with purge the unclean

nothing else

I know its unoptimal

[visual stream]

I would recommend almost anything else as a damage perk other than groaners

[grizzled aspen]

You only run infested on some ogryn weapons.

[visual stream]

Infested has a use at all? That's interesting

[grizzled aspen]

What?

[visual stream]

The bots are evolving to find new ways to disappoint

[shut belfry]

What kind of perks n blessings do you find feels nice on relic blade

[stone fern]

perks i use unyielding flak blessings cranial and rampage

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cruftbox-but-why-gif-1290062710361139636

[hearty nebula]

:3c good meowning noobz...

[stone fern]

good evenining

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/rsx4-gif-21328683

[hearty nebula]

stop being bumpy weird hatchitt

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wine-wine-time-peepo-wine-peepo-wink-gif-25660621

[hearty nebula]

FUCK YES

I remember my art idea from last night

we're so back

[lean lark]

30% more tdr team-wide for 10s is good

i only take that on hav40

[hearty nebula]

it's

eh

you already have golden toughness

which means you have 100% DR for however many hits that's gonna last basically unless you eat a crusher overhead or smth, and if you're running a good comp you should basically always have it

[lean lark]

random burster event, the 30% tdr makes you keep toughness intact

if i can get the 30% tdr i will grab it

if not i dont go out of my way to get it

[pliant otter]

Zealot without book at havoc is nono?

[lean lark]

you can

[flint imp]

Doable but book kinda makes u a sitting duck on h 40

[pliant otter]

I see, so what would be the most meta, thing to bring as a zealot if Im trying to get havoc 40 done?

Max I have cleared is 32

But as a psiker mainly

[spare dome]

like pox burster?

cause thats not how they do

[pliant otter]

Only swap to zealot when nobody wants to swap for a cleanse aura

[lean lark]

either i tanked it or i instantly got back some toughness after getting burstered

prob the latter

[spare dome]

deffo the latter yea

you only need 1 gold toughness to tank anything lmao

[flint imp]

Imo life is easier running it down as psyker on h 40

Tho I'd prob run shroudfield knife and play like a rat

[spare dome]

but bursters will always set your toughness to 0 if you get hit

otherwise vets wouldnt even run VoC, they'd just tank everything with Iron Will

[pliant otter]

Okay will stick to psiker then, not worrying abt ammo is nice anyway

[flint imp]

Just feel like the ammo scarcity on h40 just makes it that much worse going against ranged enemies that can easily shred u apart

[pliant otter]

Indeed

[lean lark]

book with backstab cdr, flamer and any high horde clear weapon of your choosing

[frosty herald]

Chorus piety book with flamer and relic blade or dueling sword 4

[distant knoll]

Long caterpillar

[zinc talon]

ah, global chat

[grand tangle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/639676970703257621/1327649017663979531/aca0f0c00668566b2719ec62b45e651f.mp4?ex=6783d500&is=67828380&hm=cb5ee0052e37d96c5ab70c9ee872c56759873b3df8c45babeab9c1fc6cd21f93&

[zealous mesa]

why would someone do that

its not even that funny

[grand tangle]

The only funny part is where his dad beats the shit out of him

As he should

[zealous mesa]

what else should one do in this scenario

[hearty nebula]

Real

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lag-gif-22868483

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-caulifla-vs-dragon-ball-super-fight-gif-10914559093705321485

[copper hawk]

Noob down..

[plush estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277677568702681128/1315760482736541696/havoc40.mp4?ex=67836db0&is=67821c30&hm=4511952937eca6f87d92e40dfdc7a3538d7bb834f35d83278a7e5af00a4ba7b8&

got reminded that this existed

[twin wagon]

lmao

[hearty nebula]

Skill issue

[plush estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272839258494865419/1313290851354415176/25742BEE00003.mp4?ex=6783ac2a&is=67825aaa&hm=9357191bd39bf8b595cc6c455fc39112f1a478cdea08a6923f58e6a9d368da2f&

Dorn

[quartz marsh]

that Crusher just

vanishing to thin air

[copper hawk]

Wut

I don't get it

R these goobers

[copper hawk]

WHAT THE FUCK ??

WHY DOEZ HE SHAKE

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-6-lethal-company-maneater-rock-shaking-gif-17992880025489161399

Josho playz like that 2 ..

Fweakz..

[ornate bone]

bro likes phreeky boyz

[analog ember]

Oh man martyrdom tac axe zealot is hilarious

[copper hawk]

Yurt ferret

[placid fiber]

What is with the stabby w/ some-what slashy swords being op? Cuz this is one of the best weapons in rogue legacy 2... and the dueling sword hella fucking broken in darktide... :/

You can hit really fast with the saber in rogue legacy 2... kinda about the same speed as light spamming after you use chastise with the dueling sword if not a little bit faster

[placid fiber]

I want a freaking 2h battle axe that is the strongest most broke melee, not a finesse stabby stab sword lol

[placid fiber]

Or, like in bandit's case, a 2h chain-axe instead

They'd probably make the dodges suck worse than the relic blade/ogryn shield/power sword, tho...

and not give a way to compensate for said shitty dodges(at least at first)

[wanton fossil]

Good day kindred

https://youtu.be/5osM3BgQOo8?si=W2qCSjAY9TsBuZKS

[placid fiber]

Don't mind me, I"m just bitching about wanting another cool 2h weapon on zeaot. :3

THat was preferably an axe/chain-axe <.<

[wanton fossil]

Chain axe would be dope

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[wanton fossil]

The models clearly exist

Looking at scab mauler

We should get to loot it off them

[grizzled aspen]

There's a lore reason why we don't take traitor weaponry.

[hexed igloo]

Boom hammer

[grizzled aspen]

All weapons, from the lowly laspistol to the great and terrible leman russ can bear heretical markings that will corrupt the user, even if they are unaware of them.

[hexed igloo]

Fuck the thammer I want true explosives

[frosty herald]

in rogue trader the cultist garb starting to grab onto your skin as you put it on

even seeing a symbol of a chaos god is enough to invite corruption

[wanton fossil]

100% true. But if we can’t get two hand chain axe by legit means, I’ll dream lol

[neat grove]

after messing with the thunder hammer i have come to the conclusion it is silly but awesome

[rancid matrix]

Bloodborne gaming

[neat grove]

rip bloodborne

one day we'll defeat the dark lord sony and get bloodborne on pc

one day

[wanton fossil]

God that would be great

[grizzled aspen]

Can you imagine modded bloodborne like how ds3 is modded?

Speaking of ds3, haven't heard anything on the archthrones overhaul mod lately.

[neat grove]

i can see it now

[neat grove]

probably irl has gotten in the way

like from everything ive seen theyve certainly done a lot

imagine it lady maria, malenia, and orphan of kos 4 way boss fight

[lament blaze]

When taking boltgun in high level havoc primarily for bossing, is pinning fire still what you want?

[grizzled aspen]

No.

[neat grove]

i think brittleness and bleed are the way to go

[lament blaze]

I'd assume going puncture cavalcade

[grizzled aspen]

Boltgun wants shattering puncture for carapace and boss deletion, otherwise cavalcade puncture.

[lament blaze]

ohhh shattering huh

[neat grove]

gunning down a group of crushers do be kinda nice

[grizzled aspen]

Cavalcade puncture with piety can guarantee crits for ~2/3 of your mag on average so you get big bleed on a train of elites.

[neat grove]

give them lorge bois some soda

[lament blaze]

i rarely pull out boltgun for crushers i usually try to stagger with ds or just kill them quick

[grizzled aspen]

Though you won't be cleaving in havoc, so you have to make sure you hit your headshots.

[neat grove]

boltgun kills them quick tho

well spearhead does

[lament blaze]

yeah not bistol

[grizzled aspen]

You don't have the ammo economy to do that for every crusher.

If it's like one crusher by himself, just kill him in melee.

[twilit otter]

Yea boltgun is not for crushers

[neat grove]

no i do have the ammo to do it to every group of 3 or more crushers

[grizzled aspen]

Not in high havocs, you don't.

I promise.

[twilit otter]

Depends on the team comp and game type

[neat grove]

cool i still use it that way

[grizzled aspen]

Ammo tins give you one singular bullet.

[lament blaze]

i think if you have a surv vet you can

i usually end high level havoc with like half ammo because i rarely whip it out

its bosses or emergencies only

maybe once or twice for a sniper if i cant knife

[neat grove]

a groupd of 6 crushers and 6 bulwark is an emergency

[twilit otter]

Zealots in havoc 40 are melee 99% of thr time

[neat grove]

no shit

[twilit otter]

Valid

[royal vortex]

havoc 0 is 100% range

[lament blaze]

thats such an emergency i'd rather book than bolter

[neat grove]

fuck running away

[lament blaze]

i dont think a bolter mag dump is going to take care of that

[neat grove]

either i die killing them or they die

the golden throne requires skulls and i shall deliver them

[lament blaze]

no i mean chorus lmao

[neat grove]

chorus is lovely

[grizzled aspen]

You will be gated by emperor's fading light I.

[neat grove]

just a little 8s "okay everyone chill tf out"

[lament blaze]

not at all

a little 8 seconds of "my team will do everything for me"

[neat grove]

right cause stunlocking everything around the team and giving them golden toughness means nothing

[lament blaze]

will do all of the killing*

[north sedge]

HIGHLY suspect

[neat grove]

or an ogryn will just throw a box of grenades and clear the next 12 rooms

the god emperor bless the ogryn kindred

[lament blaze]

ive yet to have an ogryn whip ass in havoc but ive also only played havoc with 2 ogryns.

low sample size

[neat grove]

i did one lower havoc with 3 ogryn and me a zealot

it was very easy

[twilit otter]

My havoc 40 clear was an ogryn with power maul

[neat grove]

2 shields and one with a club and some big gun

[lament blaze]

my 40 was the classic
2 psyker 1 zealot 1 vet

[twilit otter]

How is 2 psyker classic?

[neat grove]

double bubble

[twilit otter]

Thought it was 2 x
Zealot

[neat grove]

classic destiny

[lament blaze]

no it wasnt 2 bubble

oh is that uncommon?

i thought 2 psyker for better ammo economy was peak

[twilit otter]

A single pysker can keep bubble up 24/7

[lament blaze]

2nd psyker had vent

[twilit otter]

Most of my 30-39 was double zealot

[copper hawk]

My h40 was 3 psykers

[twilit otter]

Cycling chorus

[copper hawk]

Only one ran bubble

It was me and this 1k+ lvl psyker babysitting the other two

[hexed igloo]

Peakborne

[twilit otter]

Psyker can die a lot easier than zealot if you account until death and holy revenebt

[copper hawk]

The scoreboard was stupid

[lament blaze]

we had a bubble psyker running smite that did like 0 damage but smite was lowkey really nice

[copper hawk]

Two of which were running purg staves

[visual stream]

And toughness

And health

[neat grove]

[twilit otter]

Yea

[hexed igloo]

I've been playing it on pc homie

[copper hawk]

They shouldn't of been out damaged by a magnitude of 3 by a fucking ogryn

Astaghfirullah

[hexed igloo]

Get with the times old man

[neat grove]

good for you

[lament blaze]

psyker has that node that lets them ignore gunners though which is prime

if they're critting with inferno staff

[copper hawk]

Empathetic Evasion

Swift Certainty but isnt ass

[twilit otter]

Imo ideal is 2 zealot 1 vet 1 psyker, with 2 chorus. Drop chorus zeal for a solid ogryn if you want

[neat grove]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kid-kick-gif-16022961

get kicked

[hexed igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-car-explode-cat-boom-bah-gif-5387928273689188008

[lament blaze]

how's the ammo economy with that? i think ive played with that setup a few times but i dont fully recollect how our ammo was in those games

[runic grotto]

I would take 2 psykers over 2 zealots

[neat grove]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-explode-explode-explosion-gif-4544136717827095514

[copper hawk]

Id take 2 zealots over 2 psykers

[runic grotto]

Vet covers your ammo needs

[copper hawk]

Golden toughness is nuts

[runic grotto]

So are staves and shields

[neat grove]

golden toughness do be kinda crazy

[hexed igloo]

Unironically though the shadps4 port is probably the closest we'll get.

It works pretty much flawlessly, I've already clocked it in 60fps with only very minor graphical glitches

[copper hawk]

2 chorus zeals w relic blades running piety means nonstop golden tness

Not really

[lament blaze]

1 zealot + 1 vet gives a lot of golden toughness to be fair

[twilit otter]

Vet picks up 90% of ammo, zealots only use range in emergency and fueled from vet aura

[neat grove]

i want to the use the damage boost chorus but golden toughness is just too good

[copper hawk]

My personal experience playing 40 and high havoc is that a bad psyker and a bad zeal, they have a massive disparitu

Disparity

[runic grotto]

Zealots are very likely to have flamer or bolter

[copper hawk]

At least golden tness they press f and it's for everyone

[lament blaze]

i use damage boost chorus.

if i wont be hitting things i may as well make my teammates even better at hitting things

[copper hawk]

If they're ass then at least they give us tness

[neat grove]

db works very well

[copper hawk]

So tired of psykerz man,,

[runic grotto]

Well, obv I'd take a bad zealot over a bad psyker

[twilit otter]

With 2 chorus I try to coordinate one with damage one with tdr

[runic grotto]

But 2 inferno psykers allow you to cover hordes from every direction

[neat grove]

flamer is fun

[hexed igloo]

I'd take a half-okay smyker over a bad assail psyker

[runic grotto]

Zealot and vet just need to deal with some specials and crushers

[neat grove]

i just wish there was a way to tell range

[runic grotto]

Everything else is dead

[neat grove]

spearhead boltgun

throwing knives

handled

[runic grotto]

Well

Yes

[visual stream]

They may be pathetic to witness, and they may have 0% chance of clutching, but I have to agree I suppose

[twilit otter]

Vet pops specialists, psyker burns hordes, zealots cycle chorus and kill elites in melee

[runic grotto]

That's why they need to deal with them

And not inferno psyker

duh

[lament blaze]

Zealots: "bonk the maulers pls there they are! go get em! oh book now yes thanks"

Psykers: "win the game for us and dont even think about taking a single hit or you're donezo"

[hexed igloo]

They sometimes tase the horde I'm holding at a door so they're good in my books

[neat grove]

ive been saved by a psyker using sparkle fingers before

[runic grotto]

Also if you don't place shield every 10 seconds, just consider refunding the game

[twilit otter]

Psyker is so hard to keep alive compared to zealots at havoc 40. Much respect to 40 psykers who can pull it off.

[copper hawk]

Yah inferno is broken

Only if the psyker uses it

[visual stream]

There's some primal part of me that wants to hit someone with a rock when I see them try to spam smite at two bruisers in melee range, which is clearly a world-ending threat to them

[copper hawk]

2 purg psykers and they mosty use melee PLEASE use bubble and use your staff

[runic grotto]

It's not like inferno is broken if veteran uses it

[copper hawk]

If u wanted 2 play melee swap 2 zeal or oggy

[twilit otter]

If I was 2 psykers I would run one with voidblast imo for infinite cc

[copper hawk]

No as in they mever switch to it

Never*

[neat grove]

the mlgs is also kinda clutch in the hands of a good psyker

[hexed igloo]

It's my favorite thing when I'm preparing to die to the 15 ragers so my team can get out, and then suddenly the power of Thor swings out from behind me and stuns them all

[lament blaze]

I think 2 inferno isnt necessary

[runic grotto]

Brittleness trauma and inferno psyker allow you to completely kill ANY HORDE

[copper hawk]

2 infernos can solo a game

[runic grotto]

INSTANTLY

[copper hawk]

1 shriek and one bubble

[runic grotto]

That's what we've run

[copper hawk]

On brittleness burn and everything is dead

[river jackal]

Psyker generally is probably the most OP class

[runic grotto]

1 purgatus with shield

[twilit otter]

Plus voidblast can break up crusher packs forever

[copper hawk]

Purg is insanely broken

[river jackal]

It is magnified significantly when there are 2 of them

[runic grotto]

And one trauma brittlness shriek

[copper hawk]

2 other people can run chorus zeal

[neat grove]

once when i was ranking up my flamer i had two flame throwing psykers and a vet

[copper hawk]

Nothing is a threat

[neat grove]

we purged that day

[river jackal]

Purge being better than purgation flamer while having unlimited ammo

[copper hawk]

Lmfao yah

[runic grotto]

Purgatus staff is too strong for normal aurics

It's just boring

[copper hawk]

Shriek wiping a whole screen of enemies

[river jackal]

That's not even me saying purgation bad brw

[runic grotto]

But it's so fun when you have 20 mixed hordes every 5 minutes on h40

[river jackal]

Purge is just THAT good

[copper hawk]

Pushing bosses at full stacks of soulblaze beyond that w high peril shriek

[neat grove]

until the directer says "fuck you, you lose"

[copper hawk]

Bye bye healthbar

[neat grove]

the ai director sometimes gets angry

[river jackal]

You cannstack soulblaze and burn separately right?

[twilit otter]

Pyskers are glass cannons tho

[river jackal]

Does that not mean purgation flamer and purge staff would literally erase a horde in seconds?

And bosses

The dots would be nuts

[runic grotto]

wdym

[river jackal]

Like you can stack both dot on same target individually?

I think?

[runic grotto]

why not?

You can't?

[twilit otter]

Flamer alone can erase hordes in seconds. It hits harder than purg. Only issue is that it has to be used VERY sparingly.

[river jackal]

I'm asking if you can

[twilit otter]

Due to ammo

Yes you can

[river jackal]

Bruh

Horde uninstalled

[twilit otter]

Burn and soul blaze are completely different effects

[river jackal]

So yeah you could do

Trauma Bubble, Purge Shriek, Chorus Zealot w flamer, Chorus Zealot w Boltgun / Shout Vet w Plasma?

Would probably be very broken I think

[twilit otter]

5 man team?

[river jackal]

I put /

As in either or

[pliant otter]

Im tired of playing flamer and bolter, does the zealot have any otehr top tier weapon? besides the revolver and it poor ammo economy

[twilit otter]

The true meta is bubble psyker, chorus zealot, shout vet and a flex spot

[twilit otter]

Not in havoc

[neat grove]

it would be funny if like in d2 that raiding bug happened in dt

team of 20 in a havoc 40

[river jackal]

I usually see flex as just dupe zealot or psy

[pliant otter]

Haha spy build

[twilit otter]

The thing with bolter and flamer is that they are very impactful when you do use them because you have so little ammo

[neat grove]

double barrel

[twilit otter]

Most of your ranged work is done with throwing knives

[neat grove]

double barrel shotgun

[pliant otter]

I rather go back to bolter

[river jackal]

Bolt Pistol?

[neat grove]

show the heretics the boom stick

[river jackal]

Kinda same thing tho

[copper hawk]

It bolter or flamer

[twilit otter]

It's bolter or flamer

You can use literally anything tho

[copper hawk]

Sorrgy

[pliant otter]

I see, its there any hope for future exclusive zealot weapon ?

[twilit otter]

Nothing stopping you

[copper hawk]

No probably not

[spare talon]

Stop calling out how I play havoc 40

[copper hawk]

2h chaxe IS in the files

[twilit otter]

Just know the higher you go in havoc the less you actually get to shoot

[copper hawk]

But i doubt we'll ever see it

[twilit otter]

So learn to rely on knives

And melee

[pliant otter]

Oh no, another weapon that stops the user in the spot

[river jackal]

The higher you go in havoc the less you get to have fun ngl

Meta dogshit or bust

[neat grove]

you know the double barrel can get extra stagger and is better for ammo economy than most any other gun

[spare talon]

1 survivalist vet can completely sustain your flamer ammo economy in high havoc

[twilit otter]

You do get a more consistent experience the higher you go though as far as teammates

People actually save you and shit

[river jackal]

I know that

Man

I had someone rq our 40 because they got downed

[twilit otter]

Auric pubs it's like whoops I got netted ill guess I'll watch for 15 minutes

[river jackal]

Even though we went straight to them

[copper hawk]

Auric pubs have been bad lately

[neat grove]

i love how the nets go through the heretics but my bullets dont

[river jackal]

Aurics have the noob modifier on atm

Shits tuff

[twilit otter]

Nah noobs are in the regular queue damnation

Aurics full of midwits

People with some skill who think they are way better than they actually are

[river jackal]

I do love one thing about Havoc more than auric

If I get netted in havoc

I'll be up before I hit the floor

In auric

[twilit otter]

That's what I'm saying dude

[river jackal]

Net = ded

[spare talon]

Yesterday in normal histg damn I had a 6 minute long clutch with a recon vet build I made an hour prior lmao

[twilit otter]

If you enjoy teamwork you will enjoy havoc more

30+ that is because 20-29 is full of midwits

[river jackal]

Nah the thing i don't like about havoc is i can't really vary my builds a bunch

Some weapons are simply not Havoc viable

Full stop

[sturdy cypress]

how it felt pushing a dog, dodging a trapper net, avoiding a pool of fire, and knifing a sniper all in less than a second

[twilit otter]

Reginald did a 4 ogryn run with no ranged weapons

[sturdy cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-ultra-instinct-gif-26480220

[twilit otter]

You can do technically anything

[river jackal]

I'm not a God dude

Need to use at least decent kit to get by

He also said it was a slog tbf

[twilit otter]

Ogryn stubber, kickback, rumbler are all usable in havoc

[spare talon]

Reginald also did a trash build havoc 40
That was also the run I got him killed with a trapper net meant for me lmao

[twilit otter]

All the melee weapons except the knives would work

[river jackal]

Paul is a sorry excuse for a melee weapon

Idk why Reginald says its good

Shield is just better in every way

[twilit otter]

It works because of its CC

Paul has more CC than shield

[river jackal]

I definetly do not agree with that

Shield H2 can hit like 24 enemies

Iirc

[twilit otter]

If you power up and light attack and do that over and over

You can stun lock a group of 10+ crusher

[river jackal]

Shield H1 loop 2.0

[twilit otter]

You can't do that with shield

Shield can do a lot to a crusher pack don't get me wrong

[river jackal]

I can take maybe 6 crushers with shield and keep them from attacking

Especially mixing in no pushover

[twilit otter]

Yea but the powered up attack on the paul does more

It knocks crushers on the floor

[river jackal]

Well yeah there will be use cases that exist

But dude

Shield is miles and miles better

[twilit otter]

It's basically a trauma staff for ogryn

[river jackal]

Attention seeker alone makes shield like

[twilit otter]

For 99% of ogryns I agree

[river jackal]

A weapon of the God Emperor

[twilit otter]

Shield is much more usable

I don't use the paul personally I am speaking from second hand knowledge

But anecdotely the best Ogryn I have seen, objectively, was using paul

[tidal berry]

https://media.tenor.com/XHr4FWDAdQIAAAAM/fish-eating-fish-eating-from-spoon.gif

[spare talon]

He didn't say it was good, it still needs more love
But he said it worked better than he expected in havoc because stagger/cc becomes more valuable when the dangerous enemies are no longer instantly vaporized

[tidal berry]

sorry I'm interrupting your conversation

it will happen again

[river jackal]

I mean you'd have to see them using the other weapons to come to a conclusive judgement

[lament blaze]

thammer is lowkey good in havoc imo especially if youre running 2 zealots.

the boss killing potential feels good

[river jackal]

The best Ogryn I've personally seen was using Branx and Gorgonum

[tidal berry]

I don't remember kekinald ever saying paul is good either

[lament blaze]

(not on me i hate using it)

[sterile basalt]

shield H2 has infinite cleave (blocked by carapace)

power maul empowered attacks have infinite cleave (bypass carapace's cleave block)

so yes it has better CC

[river jackal]

Does H2 shield not have a larger range?

[twilit otter]

It is stopped by carapace

[sterile basalt]

wdym range

reach?

[river jackal]

I get that, but not every horde contains carapace

[sterile basalt]

attack angle?

[river jackal]

Yeah reach

[sterile basalt]

not sure, too lazy to check code

[river jackal]

I'd think H2 shield covers a wider area when attacking

[sterile basalt]

but I'd assume power maul has technically more range there

[twilit otter]

The specific case we are talking about is crushers tho

[river jackal]

I mean I was speaking about cc generally

[sterile basalt]

since the explosion itself has a radius that's separate from the attack

[spare talon]

Was gonna say this

[sterile basalt]

if u only care about CC, power maul does it better than shield

unfortunately power maul does like 1/3 the dmg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982229685675102228/1275433773647007846/IMG_6351.gif

[river jackal]

Iirc shield damage numbers should stay as is

But stuff like Paul etc

Should have more damage than it

[lament blaze]

that's so wrong
not incorrect. it's wrong

[sterile basalt]

ik

[tidal berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792041331517423647/1082846165466357850/cats.gif

[twilit otter]

Paul is definitely a wonky ass weapon

I don't touch it personally

[river jackal]

Cleavers are just dead and in the ground at this point

Bully clubs just need a lot more cleave and I think they'd be in a decent place

They're good on damage

[tidal berry]

understood, buffing plasma gun

[sterile basalt]

nah

[twilit otter]

Bully clubs got power crept out along side the shovels

[spare talon]

They need to not be cleave damage capped

[sterile basalt]

more cleave won't do ANYTHING for bully club

[twilit otter]

Pickaxe just came in

[spare talon]

They deal dmg to 3 targets in a swing

Max

Everything else takes 0

[river jackal]

It'd make it more competitive at least

[spare talon]

Cleave damage cap

[hearty nebula]

Not really

[river jackal]

In a world where other weapons can just infinite cleave

[sterile basalt]

they need to move the cleave dmg distribution cap from chainaxe / evicerator / bully club onto knife / duelling sword

[tidal berry]

how will it compete with pickaxe is a legit question for like %90 of ogryn melee options now

[sterile basalt]

no, u just 0 dmg more enemies

still kills nothing

[river jackal]

Bruh

[sterile basalt]

cleave dmg distribution cap has gotta be changed

give it to knife / DS

remove it from chainaxe, evicerator and bully club

[river jackal]

Eviscerator would truly be quite some weapon if it didn't have that cap tbh

Relic Blade makes me feel bad for eviscerator

Like holy fuck dude RB is just so good

[tidal berry]

I'd rather they worked on the special action for evi and chain weapons

they feel wrong to me

[river jackal]

I think it'd be cool if activating chain weapons activated them for a period of time

[tidal berry]

evi has that brainrot easy mode energy going for it and it would be even more brainless without a cap

[pliant otter]

Hows the relic sword - bolt pistol combo?

[river jackal]

Pack of ragers makes Evi need at least some knowledge pretty fast

[twilit otter]

Relic blade is the brainrot weapon

[river jackal]

Yeah RB is literally just

MK II

Use h1 h2

Or if big enemy

H3 h4

I've used it like that in 40 to great effect

[sterile basalt]

not bad for base game

[river jackal]

Literally braindead weapon

[twilit otter]

Every goddammit zealot is using relic blade rn

[river jackal]

To be fair some of this is new shiny toy syndrome

[twilit otter]

Every fucking midwit in aurics with a relic blade, fury of the faithful, just charging into poxwalkers spamming left click getting serious tunnel vision

It's a slow ass weapon and by the time you lift it to kill any elite, DS4 already killed it plus 2 more

[hearty nebula]

it's almost like people will use good weapons if they are given one

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-quite-incredible-drinking-water-underwater-cool-gif-22285702

[twilit otter]

It's good+easy to use

The ultimate combo

[river jackal]

To be fair

DS4 is catastrophically braindead

[twilit otter]

At least it's better than back in the day when everyone was a knife zealot (a lot easier to fuck up)

[lean lark]

me when i compare any weapon to the overpowered one and, surprisingly, find out its not as effective????

[hearty nebula]

People still fuck up knife zealot to this day

lol

Very often, in fact

[river jackal]

I hate knife

[twilit otter]

I rarely see it anymore

[river jackal]

In a game like this why am I holding a piddly little knife

[twilit otter]

Too many FOTF relic blades

[river jackal]

Give me the big sword

[sterile basalt]

DS4 is easier to use than relic blade

[pliant otter]

Hi im the knife zealot

[hearty nebula]

more like

[pliant otter]

Is relic blade taht good?

[hearty nebula]

noob zealot...

[river jackal]

Literally

[sterile basalt]

DS4 is even easier to use than combat axe

[river jackal]

I poke

Thing die

Thing can be literally anything in the game

[twilit otter]

Ds4 is not easier to use. Have you seen a bad player use one and miss every lunge, or just use it as a lmb spam weapon?

[hearty nebula]

Time to run shartfield for the funny

/s

[river jackal]

Banned

[pliant otter]

Best blessings for relic blade?

Wanna try it out

[river jackal]

Cranial and Rampage

[twilit otter]

Relic blade you can literally give to a impaired person and they will do well mulching hordes with lmb

[lean lark]

rampage energy leakage, rampage cranial, rampage wrath

pick your combo

[sterile basalt]

nah, it's far simpler than basically every melee weapon

[pliant otter]

Thanks fellas

[sterile basalt]

there's a reason it was on psyker in the first place

[river jackal]

You only use wrath on relic blade if you smell

[twilit otter]

Ds4 is stupid OP but not easier to use than relic blade

[sterile basalt]

there's zero thinking in terms of what to use in what situation

there's zero risk in doing anything

[spare talon]

Hard disagree

[stone fern]

relic is dummy hard to use

[twilit otter]

How so

[pliant otter]

Relic blade overload is a pocket vet nade?

[river jackal]

Its only hard to use for dummys

[stone fern]

how is ds4 hard to use

[lean lark]

relic blade overload is dogshit

its 40 dmg in a small radius

[twilit otter]

It's heavy is a lunging thrust that you have to aim, ideally in the head

[pliant otter]

40 plus something else? or like literal 40?

[sterile basalt]

no, but it can be funny
the overload explosion deals enough stagger to interrupt rager combo & mauler overhead

[stone fern]

oh nooo

[stone fern]

more like 38

[lean lark]

40

[river jackal]

This is

This is not difficult

[twilit otter]

Its highly mobile but you have to harness that mobility

[lean lark]

on a good day

[pliant otter]

Lmao then... why even put something like this

[lean lark]

relic blade has a lunging thrust

[pliant otter]

I think a knife punch does way more dmg with lacerate lmao

[plucky gate]

I'd say they're both a pretty different skillset

[twilit otter]

It's quite literally more complicating than pressing lmb over and over into a horde with relic blade

[plucky gate]

If someone has trouble with surviving, ds4 is going to be far easier

[sterile basalt]

lol that is not hard what

[lean lark]

relic blade has an uppercut swing (mk2), pa poke (mk10), overheads

[twilit otter]

And just to be clear I'm talking about how relic blades are commonly employed, not overall skill ceiling

I would agree that relic blade has a higher skill ceiling

But generally common zealots do not use it to its full potential and just charge into hordes and monkey brain spam left click

[pliant otter]

Whos better bolter pistol or revolver

[lean lark]

if someone uses a high skill ceiling weapon like shit that doesnt mean the high skill ceiling weapon is easier to use

[spare talon]

Relic has a more complicated moveset than 1 attack for lights and 1 for heavy, has an additional mechanic to juggle, and a pretty bad mobility profile making it less forgiving on mistakes

[river jackal]

^

[twilit otter]

Easy to learn hard to master

It's a simple concept

[river jackal]

If you're shit with relic blade

You'll just die

[hearty nebula]

Guess I should finish levelling ogryn finally

:(

[spare talon]

And duelling sword is piss easy to learn and piss easy to master

[river jackal]

Come to the light side friend

[hearty nebula]

Isn't it also just like brettonian longsword just split into two marks

[spare talon]

Click in the general direction of the enemy
They die

[stone fern]

bro,,,,,,

[hearty nebula]

I hate playing it

It's fucking boring

[twilit otter]

You haven't seen a bad player use a dueling sword

[plucky gate]

I don't think the differences between the two are that comparable. Dueling sword is easier to survive with, but relic blade is easier to not have pathetic damage with.
I have friends that do piss damage with ds4 and do okay with relic.
I also have friends that instantly die if you put anything with lower mobi than a ds4 on them

[spare talon]

I have
And they would be doing way worse without a weapon that has high mobility and an elite one shot button

[runic grotto]

How is ds4 easy to use?

[stone fern]

its like you dont enjoy disassociating mid game

[runic grotto]

I've seen people running ds4 die to normal ass poxers because they can't kill them

[twilit otter]

A bad player who can't aim the DS can easily mulch hordes with the relic blade

[plucky gate]

I've seen people miss ds4 headshots and not have a sense of timing for the pokes, losing a bunch of dps from just max charging ds4 all the time and dying to horde enemies

[sterile basalt]

bad players will continue to be bad players

[runic grotto]

relic blade is easier than ds4 for sure

[lean lark]

ive had vets with plasma guns have half my damage using a meme loadout, doesnt mean plasma gun is hard to use

[runic grotto]

relic blade is you swing and everything dies pretty quickly

[lean lark]

just means i had a bad player

[runic grotto]

ds4 requires you to manage the horde at least a little bit and hit your headshots

[misty wraith]

what does powering relic blade do

[pale spindle]

Heresy players when they see one crusher:

[runic grotto]

It powers it up

And it becomes very powerful

[plucky gate]

They're so different that whichever one you find easier is just gonna depend on what you suck at more

[runic grotto]

Gets a shit ton of cleave and good damage profiles against armor

Without it the relic blade is worthless

[plucky gate]

I've met plenty that are just dead weight with ds4 that would play better if you slap on a relic blade and tell them to mash m1

[runic grotto]

what do you need to suck at to be bad with relic blade?

[plucky gate]

survival

i also know people who die if they have less mobility than ds4

[runic grotto]

Isn't ds4 even worse in that case

[plucky gate]

???

[sterile basalt]

those people don't have a sense of target priority and spend time mashing m1 vs horde when they should be targeting elites

[plucky gate]

ds4 has way better dodges than relic blade

[plucky gate]

yes

[neat grove]

yes

[runic grotto]

It takes some time getting used to

[neat grove]

sometimes i cant see the elites until the horde is cleared

[runic grotto]

When relic blade just released I really hated it

[neat grove]

most of the time the elites also die

[sterile basalt]

duelling sword (in general) is the 2nd highest survivaility weapon, right behind knife

[runic grotto]

But it has grown on me over time

[neat grove]

i love cleaving off a mass of heads

[runic grotto]

Also I think there was a bug or something on release where you couldn't use running heavy attack and fotf

fotf would just cancel it

[neat grove]

also i didnt realize zealot had a block attack

[plucky gate]

ds4 is very easy to survive with against elites cause you get very good mobility and decent range

[runic grotto]

Well, in my eyes bad players suck at dodging

[visual stream]

90% of pubbers could've fooled me

[runic grotto]

So just giving them a cleave all button is better

[neat grove]

no shit because they still need to learn it

[plucky gate]

DS4 vs relic blade is just not the same skillset
It's like comparing weightlifting vs walking and hearing the guy with a missing leg tell you why one is way harder. You're gonna hear different opinions depending on the person

[sterile basalt]

ur mistaking "people who're bad because they didn't learn game mechanics" with "people that continue to be bad after learning game mechanics"

[neat grove]

thats a lot of assumption im unwilling to make on people i dont know

[grizzled aspen]

I'm doing the 15 matches with no downs by picking out missions on normal board and I gotta say the reactions I'm getting from these creatures is peak.

[vague depot]

I mean isn’t dueling sword literally just light spam pa for hordes heavy spam for single target and special to stagger anything that isn’t a crusher or boss

[grizzled aspen]

I am beginning to understand why Cole does this now.

[sterile basalt]

relic blade is "easier to do dmg with" for the first group

duelling sword is far easier to use for the 2nd group

[vague depot]

Don’t see how anything else could be easier

[plucky gate]

I've had to tell my friend to stop using ds4 cause he's crutching on the long dodges.
He's too much on the distance rather than the timing, so he can't actually dodge if he's running out of them or if he's using a shorter dodge weapon

dude can't survive without it

[runic grotto]

what reactions?

[grizzled aspen]

One (1) mauler is enough to make these people piss their pants and run because it doesnt just fall over if your breathe on it.

[visual stream]

Watching a pubber spam light attacks into a crusher on thammer brings me unimaginable pain

You have the answer in your hands man

[lean lark]

the best dodge trainer was thammer pre-talent trees

[runic grotto]

Are you playing malice or something?

[visual stream]

USE IT HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, normal board malice for the 15 with no downs penance.

Havent bothered getting it until now because normal board is so fucking boring.

[runic grotto]

I haven't touched maliced in years

[pliant otter]

Is there a breakpoint while using a revolver with surgical? like waiting for it to get up to 10 is the most dmg sure but is it a guarateed kill in 6, 7 or something with certain enemies?

[grizzled aspen]

To tell you I am legitimately bot walking through these maps is an understatement.

[runic grotto]

If you trully don't care, twins are much faster

[lament blaze]

malice is a fun experience. i recently played some to level

[grizzled aspen]

I'm playing exe stance agri vigilant vet.

[lament blaze]

its an experience

[runic grotto]

That's how I got this penance

[grizzled aspen]

So long as there are heads to click I physically cannot die.

[runic grotto]

2 hours of karnak twins farming and I'm done

[sterile basalt]

8 stacks is 100% guaranteed crit for revolver

But better yet, don’t use surgical on revolver lol

Point blank is better

[grizzled aspen]

Depending on your build you can just have an almost guaranteed chance to get a crit.

[pliant otter]

I have to agree that taht little wait between shoot is a bit annoying

[pliant otter]

Aig let me check

[twilit otter]

You can get through malice with no actual specific darktide knowledge or skills, just generic video game knowledge

[sterile basalt]

Point blank is straight up better in any context where a Crit would be needed for a breakpoint

[grizzled aspen]

How much crit is point blank again?

[lament blaze]

20%

[sterile basalt]

Because the only crit-only breakpoint you get for revolver is dreg rager 1 bodyshot now

Which you’re gonna melee anyway

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah you can easily just have 100% crit chance with point blank.

No aiming required.

[sterile basalt]

Point blank just allows u to do this

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[river jackal]

Do you have a reshade on?

[grizzled aspen]

5% base crit
15% or 25% from piety
30% from scourge
20% from pb
and then however much rev has base, iirc it's like 27%

If my math checks out.

[sterile basalt]

Revolver is +21%

[lament blaze]

aye i just got done with this map

door closing bosses is so fun i adore this map

[vague depot]

Being able to passively reload your gun is the main reason why I’m about to make a vet

[sterile basalt]

No, I think this was when I had lighting quality set to low

[vague depot]

Shit looks fun as hell

[lament blaze]

the fact it rounds up for just 1 stack of weapons specialist is insane

kill one poxwalker that's a bullet in the chamber

[neat grove]

hey i wanted to ask, im kinda forced to use old iphone headphones but i get no sound in the game

[grizzled aspen]

Ok so your crit chance with pb is going to be something like 91% if you take stalwart piety.

[neat grove]

anyone know how to fix that?

[lament blaze]

do you get sound elsewhere

[hard nexus]

wrong

[sterile basalt]

Which is still insane and always up in any context zealot needs to use a revolver for

[neat grove]

on youtube and other sites yes

[hard nexus]

relic blade unpowered is still pretty decent

[lament blaze]

check audio settings

[grizzled aspen]

Unpowered rb is better than mk3 evisc.

:3

[lament blaze]

make sure its on default device or fuck around with it

like in game audio settings

[runic grotto]

It can't kill anything more than a single elite or some chaff

[sterile basalt]

Nah

Take wrath

[neat grove]

youre using it wrong

[grizzled aspen]

This is just plain wrong.

I can oneshot headshot gunners and shotgunners with my h3/h4.

[hard nexus]

yeah

frown

[grizzled aspen]

Without activation.

[runic grotto]

Didn't I say single elite?

[neat grove]

the raw aura of cleaving through the foul heretics to deliver the God Emperors will

[hard nexus]

unpowered relic blade?

lmfao

wrong

[grizzled aspen]

The only thing you really need the activation for is crushers and bosses.

Unpowered, you can kill a bulwark in one stagger with mk2.

[sterile basalt]

Rager, carapace, boss, that’s about it

[hard nexus]

mk2 can, with buffs, one shot gunners, shotgunners, and 1-2 shot rangers unpowered

[grizzled aspen]

Not even ragers, I can just chastise stun them and instakill them lmao.

[hard nexus]

empowered is to speed up horde clear, elite packs, ragers, and bosses

[river jackal]

MK2 relic blade is truly quite something

[grizzled aspen]

Did you just edit this like four times in the span of a second?

[hard nexus]

twice

[hard nexus]

its peak

[grizzled aspen]

Fast ahh fingers.

[runic grotto]

Activated I can cleave through a darktillion elites. Unactivated it has no cleave against anything bigger than a basic enemy

[hard nexus]

uppercut is such stupid damage

[sterile basalt]

It’s very high value for rager blobs in havoc because energized heavy staggers every rager it hits (up to 11 of them, depending on wrath stacks)

[river jackal]

You're peak

[hard nexus]

woa,,,,

[grizzled aspen]

Stop, youre gonna give her an ego and shes gonna take mk3 evisc into havocs and weep.

[neat grove]

https://tenor.com/view/wewillreturn-gif-26728207

[river jackal]

They just keep saying things I agree with

[hard nexus]

i will do it eventually

when i like

[river jackal]

Fact spitter 5000

[sterile basalt]

She already has massive ego

[hard nexus]

wanna play havoc

[runic grotto]

That's what I said, it kills single elites and basic enemies

[grizzled aspen]

Trust me ik, my last 20 or so levels (tracking with true level) have been with rb.

[hard nexus]

says "because she's wrong all the time"

[river jackal]

Now they just need to say Ogryn is the best class in the game

And I will be satisfied

That they are always correct

[sterile basalt]

After 31 attempts u got smth half right

[grizzled aspen]

Go ahead and post your relic blade. :)

[sterile basalt]

Gotta give credit where it’s due

[grizzled aspen]

And the talents you use with them.

We will determine whether or not its an operator error after.

[hard nexus]

still cant cope with the fact i was right, so you have to say half right

lmfao

[runic grotto]

mk X. rampage/cranial and flak/elite damage

[sterile basalt]

When’re u getting grievous wounds’ stagger breakpoints

[runic grotto]

I am running the most default crit build with twbs

[grizzled aspen]

That would be why it doesnt fucking work lmao.

[hard nexus]

is that meant to be some kind of gotchya

[sterile basalt]

Yea I was right with the stagger-related cleave latch

You’re right with the cleave-related cleave latch

So half half

[acoustic dune]

the lord speak to and have uttered

[grizzled aspen]

Try mk2 cranial + wrath, flak + elites/cara.

[sterile basalt]

No I genuinely want them

[river jackal]

Everyone in Zealot chat really does make this place into a schoolyard huh?

[hard nexus]

about it having some kind of increased cleave against staggered enemies? that was already a property i was aware of, just never really bothered testing it

also, thats unrelated to what we were talking about

[acoustic dune]

'' U NEED TO TAKE A SHOWER YOU STINK BAD''

[hard nexus]

i am too lazy to test them

[acoustic dune]

then i knew he was the but a devil

[grizzled aspen]

That's my aura bro.

[hard nexus]

yeah

basically

stinkers...

[vague depot]

Havoc week ends tomorrow right

[sterile basalt]

Just do evicerator stagger breakpoints vs 5 enemies maybe, at least that’s smth u use

[vague depot]

Or tomorrow tomorrow

[acoustic dune]

god i miss me dog

[runic grotto]

is this for h40 or simple aurics? Or both?

[grizzled aspen]

I'm not bothering to post it but know I am thinking of the quote.

[drowsy steppe]

yeah

theres no adults here

[hard nexus]

staggers everything but ragers consistently, mk15 needs GW to stagger crushers on revved heavy

[runic grotto]

Also what's the point of carapace damage, don't I already have a crusher 1 hit breakpoint with elites?

[hard nexus]

thats it really

[grizzled aspen]

Works for both. Lumii swears by mk10, only mentioning that because he will skin me otherwise.

[sterile basalt]

I think I was the one that told u about the stagger-related cleave latch in the first place

[hard nexus]

i knew about it

just didnt bother to test it

[grizzled aspen]

If you're running piety, no, you dont.

A chastise sprint heavy headshot will not 1tap a crusher in damn aurics.

[sterile basalt]

Can u light atk interrupt mauler overhead

[hard nexus]

heavy yes

lights i dont think so

[sterile basalt]

Go test it then

[hard nexus]

no

i actually have things 2 do

friends 2 hang out with

[acoustic dune]

what are you babb;ing about? we have adult.

[grizzled aspen]

You don't have friends, dont lie.

[acoustic dune]

whom else will bullly the kids

[hard nexus]

actually we're seeing gladiator 2 later

so

yes i do

and

he is

pawesome..

[grizzled aspen]

He is?

Implying one?

[acoustic dune]

MEOW POST THAT PAWSOME BADGE

[grizzled aspen]

Meow has a date at the movies?

:3

[acoustic dune]

well someone has hit the griddy

[hard nexus]

he and i are not going to date

he already has a partner

also

he and i just

wouldnt work out

probably

[drowsy steppe]

nah

[acoustic dune]

i wish i had friend

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/its-bleak-bleak-its-peak-peak-homelander-gif-466413946589568151

[drowsy steppe]

its bleak

the pain never ends

[grizzled aspen]

Ah well I didn't mean to poke something sore, sorry.

[hard nexus]

no

u didnt

[median steeple]

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