#zealot-class
placid fiber
stone fern
Hmmm should i pay 2k for dlss4(looks like shit) or 600 for fsr+(looks even worse)
frosty herald
btw i use integrated fsr
frosty herald
i have a 4060 card
stone fern
hes based is what he is
heady rapids
and aren't using fg
nimble fiber
ok I did not expect the first 2 tracks lmao
heady rapids
like crazy
frosty herald
i mean
mighty root
I hate frame gen
frosty herald
i use framegen on most games if it doesnt increase mouse latency like in darktide
zinc talon
mighty root
It makes it look all choppy
heady rapids
yeah if you have shit native performance then fg will look bad
i run darktide at 90-140 and fg works great
zinc talon
you'll see my rank 1 veterans at the end
frosty herald
darktide's strongest whale
zinc talon
they exist only to be underwear models for the cosmetics I aquire
heady rapids
me and my friend both have 3070 and fg feels great for us, meanwhile another fella with a fuckinnn
what was it
like a 1660
says it feels awful
mighty root
yeah if you have shit native performance then fg will look bad
True true but even with upscales I sometimes notice afterimages and stutters
placid fiber
Know what I want in rogue legacy 2? Darktide classes. It would be so cool to be able to play a zealot in rogue legacy 2
stone fern
its all overrated real chads play darktide in TF2 mode graphics
heady rapids
i have a friend that plays tf2 at 4:3
zinc talon
oh my god I could not
heady rapids
on a 16:9 monitor
frosty herald
True true but even with upscales I sometimes notice afterimages and stutters
this is obvious with mhwilds
zinc talon
I'd get killed cuz I'd be laughing too hard
frosty herald
you get a ghosting effect
heady rapids
tf2 players are schizophrenic
frosty herald
reportedly fixed in the main game
heady rapids
you get a ghosting effect
remmeber when darktide had fsr 1...........
that was ..... an experience...........
placid fiber
tf2 players are schizophrenic
What about darkest dungeon players who do torchless bloodmoon?
frosty herald
fsr works better in wilds for me than framegen which is blurry
nimble fiber
oh shit I have a hole in my sock
zinc talon
True true but even with upscales I sometimes notice afterimages and stutters
yknow the visual continuity never really gets broken for my eye because of the way real time shadows get rendered
there's always that step-motion aspect to it
heady rapids
fsr works better in wilds for me than framegen which is blurry
are you using dlss and dlss fg or dlss and fsr 3 fg or fsr and fsr fg or fsr and dlss fg
misty nova
What about darkest dungeon players who do torchless bloodmoon?
I do not believe they exist
mighty root
I hope amd delivers
frosty herald
are you using dlss and dlss fg or dlss and fsr 3 fg or fsr and fsr fg or fsr and...
i use fsr framegen
heady rapids
isnt amd's new fg also on hardware
zinc talon
in your control panel, in the video player options
mighty root
Amd save me from nividas clutches
placid fiber
I do not believe they exist
I would be willing to agree with this, if I didn't know someone who had done torchless bloodmoon... idk if they beat it, but, I know they played it
zinc talon
there's a lil check box to allow VLC and chrome/other browsers to use AI to upscale your video as it plays
heady rapids
there's a lil check box to allow VLC and chrome/other browsers to use AI to upsc...
fuck that
zinc talon
that shit is bonkers
heady rapids
nononon
fuck
that
i was watching avengers the other day
and some shitter
uploaded a 60fps upscaled version
and did not mention that in any way, and doing that from 24 real frames feels fucking awful
zinc talon
yeah I'm pissed my system gets fussy on its electricity usage at MAXX DICC gaming work overheads
cuz the nvidia overlay would let me record in 120fps
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/kitty-stuck-cat-free-at-gif-26488738
That... is probably how I look when my rogue legacy 2 character has 1 max hp... <.<'
heady rapids
idk what the real threshold for using frame gen is tbh
for it to feel natural
60? 100?
zinc talon
and did not mention that in any way, and doing that from 24 real frames feels fu...
but I mean, wouldn't you have more incentive to use frame gen on an older card even if it didn't look perfect
river jackal
idk what the real threshold for using frame gen is tbh
I'd recommend no lower than sorta like, solid 50
zinc talon
because of the fps increases you're getting when you play
nimble fiber
zinc talon
dlss is unironically doubling or more on some setups
heady rapids
but I mean, wouldn't you have more incentive to use frame gen on an older card e...
as i mentioned before, fg feels really weird when you have an innately low fps
river jackal
I optimise my game to run at 50-60fps and then apply fg
zinc talon
and going from like 40 to 80 or 90, man
heady rapids
if it's unstable it's gonna feel even worse
frosty herald
fsr 3.1 is so good
river jackal
fsr 3.1 is so good
DLSS miles clear
zinc talon
well right, does frame gen not really boost your fps output?
river jackal
And I say that as someone who wishes I was wrong
zinc talon
and yet, still not the choice to opt for, that's wild
heady rapids
+1 frame between your frames
river jackal
Nvidia are so overpriced compared to AMD but man does their Tech just make it stupid to buy AMD
mighty root
I love being an nivida pay pig please take my money
heady rapids
Nvidia are so overpriced compared to AMD but man does their Tech just make it st...
and their drivers sometimes work.......
unlike amds.......
frosty herald
well right, does frame gen not really boost your fps output?
massively boosts your fps but can make mouse movements sluggish and is essentially fake
mighty root
Time to shill again
frosty herald
if you turn your camera real fast you can notice it
zinc talon
Nvidia are so overpriced compared to AMD but man does their Tech just make it st...
grin and bear it, nvidia has locked the market and future tech development onto their platforms for a decade
frosty herald
some games also lag insanely hard after loading a save cause of framegen being buggy like in stalker 2
heady rapids
yeah im gonna keep buying nvidia for now
zinc talon
I mean I guess they're getting their XeSS or whatever onto modern titles
and ahead of time too
they're at least getting their code entrenched for use
mighty root
well right, does frame gen not really boost your fps output?
Fake frames are like putting optical illusions in your games I’ve tried to kill gunners while recording my gameplay and I’ll be missing them by an inch
river jackal
5070 should be a good card for a long while, that's the one I've decided I'm gonna grab
mighty root
Really it depends on the game
zinc talon
that's baffling
nimble fiber
some games also lag insanely hard after loading a save cause of framegen being b...
hope u can enjoy stalker 2 in its full capacity real soon 
mighty root
I’m getting the 5090 I’m making a whole new rig for it
frosty herald
fatshark did do a good job cause i dont have to use framegen for darktide anymore
heady rapids
and i feel comfortable enough to not upgrade for a couple more years
frosty herald
hope u can enjoy stalker 2 in its full capacity real soon <:sassyok:574212644043...
its so buggy sometimes its unreal
i need the patch
heady rapids
fatshark did do a good job cause i dont have to use framegen for darktide anymor...
(kinda)
zinc talon
if i had a 4k 240 fps monitor
river jackal
I’m getting the 5090 I’m making a whole new rig for it
Only after you buy one for me 
heady rapids
with high enough fps might as well enable frame gen
zinc talon
360 is the new cap
zinc talon
and I am so goddamn tired of 'the human eye can't tell past'
my entire fkn life I've been hearing that
heady rapids
well it obviously can
but tbh at some point it's gonnab e the thingggg i forgot the name of
zinc talon
don't need more than a cathode ray tv the eye can't see 60 frames a second
that's why movies are shot in 24
mighty root
Only after you buy one for me <:uwugryn:1062882479310110720>
You can have my 4080 super
zinc talon
then it was past 60, then past 90, then past 144
heady rapids
diminishing returns
zinc talon
I can absolutely tell a difference between 175 at my current display's cap and 160
river jackal
You can have my 4080 super
Deal
zinc talon
it's not much, but I can see it
polar nexus
I’m getting the 5090 I’m making a whole new rig for it
buy the 5080 and invest the difference in nvidia stocks
zinc talon
so now obviously I've done the responsible thing and internalized it all into my head where it's a huge crux for me
polar nexus
pro move
zinc talon
it's only a matter of time before DrunkenOkri ends up at microcenter buying a 360hz display
honestly at this point it's like, its own ambition almost
'well dammit how fast can we make this thing?'
the last time we did that we got f1 racing
gleaming kelp
so if I'm understanding correctly, 5090 outperforms due to circuit board shenanigans and needing a ton more power.
heady rapids
get a 5090 and a threadripper
heady rapids
so if I'm understanding correctly, 5090 outperforms due to circuit board shenani...
mmmmmmmmmmmmm
maybe maybe not
zinc talon
so if I'm understanding correctly, 5090 outperforms due to circuit board shenani...
so modern switches are getting so bewilderingly small and efficient in terms of power use
heady rapids
i thought the 50 series were
zinc talon
the physical distance between component devices is now a bottleneck
zinc talon
that's why nvme drives are bolted onto your mobo milimeters from your cpu and ram
so yeah the 5090's got a lot more architecture side to it
heady rapids
575W TGP for 5090
4090 was 600
zinc talon
those tensor core things they use in their advanced calculations are packed more tightly together
nimble fiber
zinc talon
to allow them to communicate over less distance
zinc talon
they're more efficiently packed I spose
cuz that's about the only way we're getting faster electronics
we've about hit the universal limits on size and power reqs
heady rapids
also isnt 5090 smaller than 4090?
pretty sure i've heard news about it fitting normal pc cases
No, RTX 4090s and only a very select few RTX 4080 and 4080 Super graphics cards were compatible with Nvidia's SFF ready standard, which stipulates 151mm maximum height including power cable bend radius, 304 mm maximum length and 50mm or 2.5 slots maximum depth. The RTX 5090 Founders Edition is 304mm x 40mm, so well within those limits, while being 137mm wide.
zinc talon
I mean I doubt they'll be smaller
a 4090 is already a full size pc case in 2 dimentions
they're practically standalone computers
gleaming kelp
4090 was a brick so I was worried that was going to be the norm going forward but alas, tech advances.
zinc talon
I think a big part of the physicality of these current gen top tier cards is the heatsink and power interfacething
they've stuffed 4090s into laptops without too much hassle, they're just biblical covenant tier more expensive
I mean fundamentally a 4090 4080 so on are all the same identical thing during the manufacturing process
they're built to have umpteen brazilian gates per square fuckyou but manufacturing defects are always, always there
so they make the thing and test it, and the fastest ones are branded 4090
less fast 4080
zinc talon
twilit otter
I have had nothing but bad experiences with high end gpu laptops
zinc talon
I have had nothing but bad experiences with high end gpu laptops
not the least of which is sterility from the heat air frying your farming equipment
gleaming kelp
That is sweet, no heating problems or anything? whats the cpu?
heady rapids
That is sweet, no heating problems or anything? whats the cpu?
leme ask
twilit otter
I had a 18 inch predator helios with 4080 and it cooked before 12 months
zinc talon
highly highly reccommend this program
heady rapids
not the 18 inch predator.........
zinc talon
sits in my sys tray as a heat readout until I call for it
then it's everything you didn't want to know about gibberish computer components
twilit otter
Was running at 99c and I sent it to warranty twice and they kept sending it back basically telling me to fuck myself
twilit otter
So I sold it on ebay and the buyer opened it up and it was fried
zinc talon
so naturally you got fucked for it
zinc talon
oh my gawd
twilit otter
And didn't get a refund
It was still under warranty I told him not to touch it just mail it back
zinc talon
twilit otter
He had a return opportunity and he threw it away
gleaming kelp
That's a toasty gpu, but its probably within thresholds.
zinc talon
yeah was gonna say
esp for lil to no overhead
compressed air time
and no not for the whippets jesus yall get a drug habit with some class
idle pewter
Is shock maul any good on zealot?
misty nova
It's average
gleaming kelp
That CPU is cookin if I'm reading that right
misty nova
It won't deal with monstrosities that well though
Bring a Bolter or something
Skullcrusher is mandatory
idle pewter
It won't deal with monstrosities that well though
Yeah I'm trying to get out of relying on thunder hammer or eviserator
pale spindle
That CPU is *cookin* if I'm reading that right
like heat?
cpus and gpus generally are around 70-85 C on load
gleaming kelp
Ah, I'm just used to much cooler temps. Guess that's the tradeoff for a mini atx
pale spindle
this is mine on load:
gleaming kelp
Nice, those are more to what I'm accustomed to.
pale spindle
tbh tho, u should be using a program like fan control to keep everything cool anyways
twilit otter
Is shock maul any good on zealot?
It's a team support weapon, it has the ability to chain stagger elite packs with the special
pale spindle
the GPU usually doesn't have problems if u get a nice manufacturer heat sink on it
idle pewter
It's a team support weapon, it has the ability to chain stagger elite packs with...
Oh I didn't know it chained like that
twilit otter
Yea you can spam special light special light forever
idle pewter
How's the heavy sword?
twilit otter
Heavy sword is obsolete
idle pewter
Yeah makes sense, I saw it disappear after an update one day and nobody runs it now
gleaming kelp
the GPU usually doesn't have problems if u get a nice manufacturer heat sink on ...
I've got one of those liquid coolers with the radiator for my cpu so it's always nice and cool. And then I've got like....6 fans for everything else? I'm at work so I don't have my pc in front of me.
idle pewter
I assume axe is good as it is on vet?
twilit otter
Yes
misty nova
How's the heavy sword?
Can't carapace nor Monstrosity
Shits on everything else though
idle pewter
Can't carapace nor Monstrosity
Really? Wack
pale spindle
yeah liquid coolers are nice, but I wonder if they are worth it anymore since most CPUs u dont need to OC anymore 🤔
twilit otter
It can carapace only off fury of the faithful
gleaming kelp
and it sometimes beats liquid
Yeah, I was just worried about noise so I opted for the liquid radiator. But if I were on a stricter budget I would have went with fan cooling.
pale spindle
idk how thermal is doing this with their pricing
thats a 3 fan liquid cooler
are they just the GOATs now?
twilit otter
my prebuild is liquid cooled
pale spindle
i still have this girl from 5 years ago 
gleaming kelp
that is surprisingly cheap for a liquid cooler
pale spindle
Prob the new coolers are better, but I don't think the difference is justified to change it
Still works fine
gleaming kelp
if it ain't broke, don't anger the machine spirit
obsidian prairie
Heavy sword is obsolete
Throwing things at you
obsidian prairie
Yeah makes sense, I saw it disappear after an update one day and nobody runs it ...
It’s not obsolete, and still quite good actually
Nothing else can do 4 elites a swing so casually and even relic blade can’t match its mixed horde (outside of havoc)
neat grove
when it comes to blocking, is it anything like dark souls?
obsidian prairie
Blocking is usually a bad idea compared to dodging
neat grove
yes obviously but sometimes you cant dodge
obsidian prairie
Well that’s an issue of poor planning/management
neat grove
cool thank you for answering my question
obsidian prairie
Only really psyker or shield ogryn can block well
But dodging is still preferable
neat grove
cool that is not what i asked tho
zinc talon
obsidian prairie
Comparing to dark souls doesn’t really work
zinc talon
a thing about blocking
idle pewter
Nothing else can do 4 elites a swing so casually and even relic blade can’t matc...
How is the relic blade anyway?
obsidian prairie
The game speeds are so different
zinc talon
you block (and push) the full 360* around yourself when you raise your guard
obsidian prairie
How is the relic blade anyway?
Amazing in every way
zinc talon
but hits to the side and back, take like five times the stam pips to soak
idle pewter
Amazing in every way
So it's still got that newly added weapon smell?
obsidian prairie
So it's still got that newly added weapon smell?
No it’s just good
In like
Literally every way
Except mobility I guess
zinc talon
a lil somethin for you relic blade enjoyers
obsidian prairie
4 dodges -14% distance
neat grove
Comparing to dark souls doesn’t really work
if you have no stamina you get guard broken aka die
obsidian prairie
Yes
clever swan
that kinda happens in this game
zinc talon
neat grove
i just want to better understand the mechanics not which is best for whatever reason
neat grove
you block (and push) the full 360* around yourself when you raise your guard
so it fully covers all around the player?
misty nova
if you have no stamina you get guard broken aka die
Yes
But sometimes you'll get stuck on block breaking animation and still block
zinc talon
You blocking with your mind?
neat grove
Yes
But sometimes you'll get stuck on block breaking animation and still block
i usually just die
ebon bobcat
i just want to better understand the mechanics not which is best for whatever re...
Darktide blocking uses stamina, if you block with zero stamina it staggers you and makes you vulnerable
zinc talon
but much less force to sides and back
neat grove
Darktide blocking uses stamina, if you block with zero stamina it staggers you ...
thats what i thought and compared it to dark souls
zinc talon
it can
neat grove
if you get guard broken you can get one shot
zinc talon
if you right click again when your guard is broken, and raise it again
you can then block one more attack, even at 0% stamina
soaking the attack will break your guard again etc etc
so you can quick time event your guard back into place even with no stam
obsidian prairie
You’ll probably still die unless someone helps you
But you can prolong the suffering
neat grove
good thing suffering is eternal and enjoyment is a lie
fleet zealot
what's up tho
zinc talon
my blood pressure
fleet zealot
otter says it's freaking cold
grizzled aspen
so it fully covers all around the player?
Yes, also note, the angle from which you block matters.
zinc talon
you buy me dinner and take me to a movie or this ass stays completely uneaten
grizzled aspen
Something in front of you consumes less stamina than something behind you.
zinc talon
Something in front of you consumes less stamina than something behind you.
to the tune of like, five times more
grizzled aspen
Also when it comes to kinetic deflection on psyker, the game determines peril gain based on your max stamina pool.
neat grove
Yes, also note, the angle from which you block matters.
it does?
grizzled aspen
More stamina = less peril generated on blocking.
zinc talon
taking even a few back/side hits from smol horde can cost you 15+% per block
zinc talon
granted I'm a lil uptiered and all but blocking a crusher overhead costs me 20% of my stamina from the front
and 86% from the side/back
maulers it's 10% to like 60something
if you're not geared for it at all a single hit from the back could drop you to the next hit breaking your guard
visual stream
More stamina = less peril generated on blocking.
It's a very cool interaction tbh
zinc talon
does block efficiency factor into peril blocking?
visual stream
One stamina curio and you block forever
I believe yes
Deflector should count towards it too
zinc talon
sure does
I think all added up a deflector 4 force sword with 20% on the perk, plus the 3 12%s on your curios
taking the peril block talent as well gives you more potential damage soak than even okri with a slab
but I don't think it catches overheads at all right?
like a fully kitted deflector force sword yada yada still can't just eat every attack
ogryn stomps and crusher overheads and whatnot, or am I way off track here
I'm too busy confusedly screaming holding down smite to ever have the brainpower to confusedly scream holding block
spare dome
deflector doesnt change anything with block bypass
so yeah, overheads, some boss smashes, and sniper shots cant be blocked
and the peril % gained from blocking is based on the % of stamina that blocking the attack would have cost you, so more stamina = less % of stamina = less peril
visual stream
Yeah, neither mauler or crusher overheads will be blocked
Probably the two BoN slam attacks too
zinc talon
and the peril % gained from blocking is based on the % of stamina that blocking ...
I would never have put that together on my own
opaque island
soon.....soon
zinc talon
it's just the right amount of counter intuitive
zinc talon
soon.....soon
never.
stone fern
henkz
runic rune
haha stfu
zinc talon
pulling it out and just holding it for long enough will put an occasional pulse through your vision
and your ears
runic rune
im looking for a message i sent
zinc talon
and every time it pulses, you and the team take a tiny bit of corruption
aboive and beyond the % it normally takes
runic rune
i forgor to press ctrl F
zinc talon
and if you put the book away, it'll still pulse a couple times for some time afterwards too
runic rune
💀
stone fern
eh ive done so fucking many to do melk contracts
zinc talon
so you can essentially corrupt your entire team to death holding the grim out
stone fern
i sometimes pick them up to eat them if i see a teammate with only 1 wound remaining
grizzled aspen
so you can essentially corrupt your entire team to death holding the grim out
Follow psykers around and kill them with grimoires because funny.
runic rune
Gimp Rager wants to wish yall a happy new year
visual stream
i sometimes pick them up to eat them if i see a teammate with only 1 wound remai...
Does that actually mechanically save a wound?
stone fern
Does that actually mechanically save a wound?
yes
visual stream
I've wanted to test it but I don't wanna pick up a grim
That's sick
Yet again grims only purpose is to be discarded
stone fern
eating a grim cures corruption regardless of the source
if you have an entire wound of damage taken itll cure it to 50%
ebon bobcat
Gimp Rager wants to wish yall a happy new year
What surgery you made with the heretics?
stone fern
KNEE
visual stream
Knee surgery tomorrow:.
copper hawk
easiest true duo 3veg ever w @hard nexus
zinc talon
if you take falter on a shock maul you get another 30% impact at all times
yeah cuz I HELPED
fleet zealot
grizzled aspen
i'm assuming penetrating flames and blaze away
Yes, and you support your purg staff user. (me)
:3
fleet zealot
i'm assuming penetrating flames and blaze away
overpressure if your cara damage is covered already in comp
imo
modern lintel
i'm assuming penetrating flames and blaze away
everlasting flames 
fleet zealot
cause i think both fires have 1.0 or higher adm
zinc talon
u r invader
fleet zealot
everlasting flames <:2yos:694588506072285196>
everlasting CRINGE
modern lintel
what the fuck is a reload
grizzled aspen
if you have an entire wound of damage taken itll cure it to 50%
I thought a grim only cures corruption it inflicts?
neat grove
Gimp Rager wants to wish yall a happy new year
is that chest piece from the store?
runic rune
is that chest piece from the store?
thrift store
stone fern
it cures a set amount reguardless of the damage
modern lintel
is that chest piece from the store?
maybe
hearty nebula
me finding the lone poxwalker in the corner (i am about to use a charged thunderhammer swing on him)
neat grove
thrift store
wheres that?
zinc talon
better
grizzled aspen
is that chest piece from the store?
No, it's a mod.
It's literally the dreg rager chest.
neat grove
No, it's a mod.
i havent seen it in nexus then i guess
grizzled aspen
With For the Drip off the modding discord, you can use client-side cosmetics.
ebon bobcat
No, it's a mod.
What where he expecting? To buy body pieces from heretics?
grizzled aspen
Same principle as weapon customization.
neat grove
With For the Drip off the modding discord, you can use client-side cosmetics.
i dont really know what that means
grizzled aspen
i dont really know what that means
For the Drip is the mod, from the modding discord.
neat grove
people modify their games
i know
grizzled aspen
Client side means only you can see them.
remote lark
h'es saying the mods are only visible to you (client-side)
grizzled aspen
The client is you.
runic rune
What where he expecting? To buy body pieces from heretics?
Hey man just ask Oskar Krall, he'll fix ya up with that Rager dad bod for a wee little dime!
neat grove
oh
grizzled aspen
flak/cara on flamer?
Flak cara.
modern lintel
uny
grizzled aspen
If youre doing the pen flames one.
remote lark
ok
grizzled aspen
If youre not doing pen flamrs then do flak unyielding or flak elites.
zinc talon
Gimp Rager wants to wish yall a happy new year
stone fern
i dont really know what that means
client side mods are mods only you can see like changing your own weapon so it looks different on your screen only
grizzled aspen
She's big boned, ok?
runic rune
grizzled aspen
im making a gross ds/flamer build for havoc
Cool, now I can say "random bullshit, meet Lumii."
runic rune
hahha wtf
stone fern
@neat grove but weapon customization and for the drip are very resource intensive and kinda unstable
grizzled aspen
50 crushers vs 1 Lumii, who wins?
stone fern
humanity
runic rune
im dying lmfao
neat grove
<@1101556665444221099> but weapon customization and for the drip are very resour...
how so?
do they cause disconnects and crashes?
grizzled aspen
do they cause disconnects and crashes?
Crashes.
grizzled aspen
Basically your game has a certain amount of memory it can play around with, and both of those mods eat a lot of it.
If you run both you get maybe 2 matches before you have to reset or you get a memory leak crash.
stone fern
you can pretty much run anything if you can run the game aside form those two
zinc talon
do they cause disconnects and crashes?
you have to be patient with them while you work out the stuff that causes your client to go haywire
and even when you do, you'll still get out of memory errors after long enough
neat grove
theyre just not super stable
that literally doesnt tell me anything
stone fern
just avoid them
zinc talon
they'll introduce a memory leak that'll eventually stroke out your client
neat grove
ebon bobcat
Aye, this ogryn was donating part of his flesh
fleet zealot
ebon bobcat
grizzled aspen
Weapon customization is mostly stable as long as you turn off randomized teammate weapons, randomized armory weapons, and only modify like one part on your weapons.
stone fern
that literally doesnt tell me anything
bruh i am not a lua programmer i cant give you full details on FIFO memory management or how LUA handels the stacks
neat grove
i have the cursed sword mod, cause it whispers to me
stone fern
its just an unstable mod
zinc talon
for the drip was a little too obtuse for me to mesh with
runic rune
grizzled aspen
The only thing I ever use weapon customization for is optics on weapons that don't have em.
neat grove
bruh i am not a lua programmer i cant give you full details on FIFO memory manag...
im a failed programmer and i dont even understand half of what is said
zinc talon
and plus I realized why the fuck am I making my own cosmetics when I'm paying fatshark to do that every store cycle
so I went full team WCM
stone fern
im a failed programmer and i dont even understand half of what is said
same sis
zinc talon
and ditched for the drip
grizzled aspen
But lately I've been running only agri autogun so optics don't really matter to me as I'm abusing dod.
neat grove
same sis <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
bro*
stone fern
https://www.tutorialspoint.com/lua/lua_garbage_collection.htm
darktide gaming
neat grove
He knows what he said.
median steeple
zinc talon
trying to understand computer code is willfully trying to subvert the laws of the universe
I do not understand it, I do not want to understand it
grizzled aspen
I mean, it's literally playing around in the guts of a rock we tricked into thinking with lightning.
zinc talon
like bro what even is a logic gate it's not gonna stop me from coming over there and hitting you you nerd
grizzled aspen
It's not going to be easy.
grizzled aspen
my teacher said that
There is nothing new under the sun.
(I am a firearms student, firearms design bothers the hell out of me)
modern day machine gun
open it up
it's an mg42
neat grove
(I am a firearms student, firearms design bothers the hell out of me)
just make a blunderbuss
neat grove
we need something to shake it all up
grizzled aspen
Or it's some bullshit like the g11.
zinc talon
neat grove
a minigun but pistol
zinc talon
grizzled aspen
Yknow, the clock the Germans tricked into shooting bullets.
zinc talon
ugggg
grizzled aspen
Or uh... whatever Keltec is doing.
The only firearm they have produced that isn't utterly insane is the ksg12.
humble minnow
we need something to shake it all up
How about a 1911?
grizzled aspen
I kinda fw the p90 pistol though.
humble minnow
how about 10 m1 garands that rotate when fired
Can I shoot myself with it?
zinc talon
Think of a simple light switch. Turns a lightbulb on or off. Now instead of hooking that switch up to a lightbulb, hook it up to another light switch.
Suppose, for example, turning on the light switch makes the other light switch always send an "on" signal, even if it's off. That's a bit like what we'd call an "or gate", because only the first switch OR the second switch needs to be on in order to send an on signal from the second switch.
We can also have the concept of "and", if we imagine that turning off the first switch completely cuts the circuit for the second switch, so even if the second switch is on, it doesn't turn the light on.
Once we have "and" and "or" (well, also "not", but "not" is just an upside-down switch that turns things on if it's off, and off if it's on), we can calculate anything we want. For example, here's how we'd do simple arithmetic:
(this is going to get a bit dense, but stick with me, because it's really important that computers are able to do this)
First, convert the number into a "binary representation". This is a fancy way of saying "give each number a label that's a pattern of 'on's and 'off's." For example, we can represent each number 0 to 3 as 00, 01, 10, 11. In our world, we go 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10, but in binary we pretend those middle digits don't exist, and instead of writing 2 as "2", we write it as "10". It still means 2 though - and now it's easier to represent with "on"s and "off"s.
Second, we want to add just like normal adding. Let's look at just the rightmost digit - it can be either 0 or 1, and we're trying to add it to another digit that's either 0 or 1. At first, we might try something like an "or gate". Then 0+0 is 0, 0+1 is 1, and 1+0 is 1, which looks good so far. Except that 1 OR 1 will... also give us 1, which we don't want. We want to get 0 and carry a 1 to the left (remember, we can't create the digit 2, we have to represent 2 as "10"). So what we actually want is something called a "xor", that's a fancy name for "'or' and not 'and'". We take the result of an "or" gate, and we "and" it with the flipped result of an "and" gate. So we'll have 0+0 = 0, 0+1 = 1, 1+0 = 1, and 1+1 = 0. To make sure we're actually adding 1 and 1, and not just erasing it to 0, we also need to record a carry digit, but that's just an "and" gate. If both the first AND second thing are 1, carry a 1, otherwise carry a 0.
Third, we do the same thing one step to the left, but we also include the carry digit if we have one. We "xor" the digits to see if we should record a 1 or a 0 in this position, and if we have 2 or more 1s (in gates we know, one way to write that is "'a and b' or 'b and c' or 'a and c'") we carry a 1 to the next position.
So we can do addition. With repeated addition, we can multiply. We can also do subtraction by a similar process. With repeated subtraction, we can do long division. So basically we can solve any math problem we want.
But how does a regular human trigger that math, if all the numbers are these weird sequences of "on" and "off"? Well, we can hook a few of the light switches back up to lightbulbs, but make them super tiny lightbulbs of different colors. That's screen pixels. If the light switches want to show the binary number "11", they can light up a pattern on the screen which looks like "3", so the human can understand it. How does the computer know what a "3" looks like? Well, the on-off patterns of that look like a "3" are represented as a big math formula, and our computer can do any math it wants to, so it can compute which lightbulbs (pixels) it needs to eventually turn on and off.
Under the hood, every piece of data - every image, every word - is represented with a numeric label of some kind, and it goes through a looooooong chain of on/off switches to turn it into an intelligible pattern of pixels on the screen.
grizzled aspen
How about a garand chambered in 45-70 govt?
zinc talon
A lot of it is a bunch of really really fast arithmetic. For example, if you can compute the paths of rays of light, you can draw a 3D picture on the screen. You do a bunch of physics equations about how the light would bounce off the object and into people's eyes, if they were looking at a real 3D object. But we know how our computer does math - it's a bunch of on-off switches hooked up together.
grizzled aspen
HOLY WALL OF TEXT
distant knoll
interesting
zinc talon
nobody is reading
yall were talking about what your people that taught you said to explain it, that's more or less what I got
I just have better google fu than you
sullen forge
zinc talon
I still don't understand it, or want to
zinc talon
magic box make pretty pitchur on magic placemat
neat grove
its less about needing it explained and more just needing to get my hands on the actual stuff and messing with it
grizzled aspen
This was me while driving home.
ebon bobcat
https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4...
I even responded to the wrong one
zinc talon
lol typical gen alpha attention spans reporting into zealot chat
sullen forge
This was me while driving home.
Chuddie crashing the fuck out
grizzled aspen
Chuddie crashing the fuck out
Go read what I posted in dorncord.
You will understand why I was fuming.
zinc talon
less than one page of text?!? swoon
sullen forge
I’m not reading what you posted on Dorncord I hate that server
opaque island
I dont understand how sometimes i can play this game and it runs smooth, and other times my fps tanks like crazy
grizzled aspen
I’m not reading what you posted on Dorncord I hate that server
I'm just going to screenshot it then and post it here.
opaque island
aw man, i was reading that
grizzled aspen
Actually that has words I can't say here.
Oops.
Long story short, people can't drive and I got a LITTLE angry about almost crashing twice.
gleaming furnace
Literally 1984
drifting wolf
hello kirby
sullen forge
hello kirby
Kirby when he’s told Popstar has fallen
Billions will follow King Dedede
stone fern
(I am a firearms student, firearms design bothers the hell out of me)
you are a what
frog are you studying to become a gunsmith?
grizzled aspen
frog are you studying to become a gunsmith?
Yes?
stone fern
why
grizzled aspen
Because I want to?
stone fern
can you draw? can you engrave?
grizzled aspen
Yes???
grizzled aspen
No.
hard nexus
<@576701404475949056>
@median steeple
sullen forge
Really clowning on Frog for making firearms
stone fern
show me
sullen forge
Lmao
grizzled aspen
Mmmmno.
zinc talon
if ever I misuse the term iframes, or poorly try to explain how to never get hit ever by anything by abusing iframes and your spacebar timing, this is what I mean when I do
stone fern
no its a good gig assuming you can engrave basic stuff wont make you much money
copper hawk
<@576701404475949056>
LMFAO
stone fern
engraving you would make you good money
sullen forge
Going to you to build me a Gewehr 98 cause that’s a bucket list rifle I want before I die @grizzled aspen
Hope you know how to work with old war rifles
grizzled aspen
Ok, the only one here that bothers me is actually the vladof rifle.
zinc talon
that first gun looks like the aftermath of a traumatic penis injury
grizzled aspen
Symmetry, the exotic scout rifle in the 2nd image, is omolon brand, and uses liquid ammo.
stone fern
@grizzled aspen how many fonts can you do
median steeple
<@508465754832633896>
stone fern
@grizzled aspen can you cursive?
grizzled aspen
The "assault rifle" in fo4 has an irl equivalent iirc.
sullen forge
Vladof rifles were kinda dookie…
grizzled aspen
<@433418308453138433> can you cursive?
I only do cursive.
zinc talon
take it
grizzled aspen
Ringed notebooks hate my ass ong.
sullen forge
@grizzled aspen
grizzled aspen
<@433418308453138433>
Yes it's the fucking clock that shoots bullets.
sullen forge
I’m going to be incredibly disappointed if you don’t know what that is
grizzled aspen
Kraut space magic gun.
sullen forge
What type of bullets…
drifting wolf
Symmetry, the exotic scout rifle in the 2nd image, is omolon brand, and uses liq...
that's the conspirator from the leviathan raid, the only thing that saves it is that possibility its rounds probably aren't normal bullets given it's an energy weapon
grizzled aspen
Caseless iirc.
twilit otter
Caseless
gleaming furnace
Square caseless
sullen forge
Good
grizzled aspen
that's the conspirator from the leviathan raid, the only thing that saves it is ...
Oh, I thought it was symmetry, they look very similar.
stone fern
What would you do if I also said I was left handed?
cmon show me your work engraving
grizzled aspen
cmon show me your work engraving
No.
You probably want me to engrave some bubba'd 1911 with "muh 2 world wars" on the slide or something.
acoustic dune
is that a yes queen size hand?
zinc talon
is that a yes queen size hand?
stone fern
You probably want me to engrave some bubba'd 1911 with "muh 2 world wars" on the...
i just wanna see anything you engrave
doesnt have to be on a weapon just practice
vocal olive
I'm mad they haven't re released that headpiece
zinc talon
they've never released it to begin with
grizzled aspen
i just wanna see anything you engrave
Being real though, I just haven't cared enough to give a shit to take pictures of anything I've engraved.
zinc talon
well now you have a shit you can carry around with you
stone fern
Being real though, I just haven't cared enough to give a shit to take pictures o...
you should
vocal olive
I swear it was part of the accidental salvar chem dogs release that was taken down
stone fern
its pretty cool
grizzled aspen
well now you have a shit you can carry around with you
It will be forgotten in about 5min.
zinc talon
I swear it was part of the accidental salvar chem dogs release that was taken do...
correct you are sir/madam/person/thing, I see you are also a personthing of culture
grizzled aspen
The only thing that concerns me with engraving is the quality of my work and the pay of the customer.
Which... are closely related.
stone fern
It will be forgotten in about 5min.
you could also branch out into silversmithing you dont need a license for that
grizzled aspen
If I'm not paid decently I'm not going to care SUPER much about any defections I find in your firearm.
twilit otter
The "assault rifle" in fo4 has an irl equivalent iirc.
It does not
drifting wolf
it's a weird conglomerate of different machine guns iirc
zinc talon
If I'm not paid decently I'm not going to care SUPER much about any defections I...
careful tho, if you take it for documented work for pay there could be legal standard sand thresholds
grizzled aspen
It does not
Liquid cooled something or other, yeah it does, Brandon Herrera did a video on it. It's the closest thing to an irl equivalent.
gleaming furnace
Lewis gun
grizzled aspen
careful tho, if you take it for documented work for pay there could be legal sta...
Oh trust me I'm aware of that kind of stuff. The ATF keeps changing rules on firearms every day so I've got to keep up to date.
twilit otter
It vaguely resembles some liquid cooled machine guns but it has no comparable counterpart
stone fern
Liquid cooled something or other, yeah it does, Brandon Herrera did a video on i...
do you do it manually or do you use a dremmel ?
zinc talon
this thing?
drifting wolf
that thang
zinc talon
yeah world war 1 liquid cooled machine guns
grizzled aspen
The Brit dp28 is what the Lewis gun is.
zinc talon
gleaming furnace
Nvm it’s the vickers
twilit otter
It's a combination of Lewis gun, aa52, m249
gleaming furnace
Another britgun
twilit otter
M1917, maxim
zinc talon
lots of guns at that time had liquid filled barrels to help with the heat
grizzled aspen
do you do it manually or do you use a dremmel ?
Mostly a dremmel. Finer work requires some very very pointy tools and some very very light touching.
drifting wolf
they put liquid in the barrel
zinc talon
they'd boil off the water instead of melting the barrel so you could keep shooting at the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people who I guess went along with this?
grizzled aspen
As in, if I touch even slightly harder than I mean to, I ruin the entire gun and will probably wrap my car around a tree.
stone fern
Mostly a dremmel. Finer work requires some very very pointy tools and some very ...
do you acid itch to finish stuff or mechanical finishes?
zinc talon
easier to keep in the trenches
twilit otter
Early air cooled machine guns required a lot of barrel changes
drifting wolf
Not in the fuckin barrel
too late
twilit otter
Mg42
grizzled aspen
do you acid itch to finish stuff or mechanical finishes?
Depends on what the gun is made of and the intricacy of the etchings.
zinc talon
yeah that's a finish specific thing isn't it
gleaming furnace
Water cooled barrels are the most British thing I’ve ever heard. They somehow manage to heat water for a nice cuppa while fighting in the trenches
grizzled aspen
I refuse to do it.
zinc talon
nickel vs blued vs yep you got it
stone fern
Blued steel will never touch acid.
well yeah obviously its a chemical coating
grizzled aspen
Nickel can do acid nicely.
Just depends on what you sealed it with.
Sometimes nickel parts can be "pitted," if you will.
vocal olive
Blued steel can touch acid
stone fern
eh it also depends on which acid you use
vocal olive
Just dip it in
grizzled aspen
eh it also depends on which acid you use
This is true.
But there's a lot that determines what tools and techniques I use to etch anything.
stone fern
was frog always this cool bros?
grizzled aspen
Blued steel can touch acid
I won't do it.
If you want me to acid dip blued steel, you can find another gunsmith.
stone fern
if i remember correctly ferric chloride eats nickel faster than hydrochloride
grizzled aspen
I have witnessed horrid atrocities wrought on firearms in my time as a student.
grizzled aspen
Mfw a nickel plated 1911 comes to me and they've ground the fucking divet things (the name eludes me rn) around the irons off:
drifting wolf
I have witnessed horrid atrocities wrought on firearms in my time as a student.
do tell
acoustic dune
why are nerds in the zealot chat?
grizzled aspen
These are what I'm referring to.
I've seen one come across my desk before with those ground off.
Nickel plated, excellent finish.
I wanted to explode.
sullen forge
These are what I'm referring to.
They grinded the slide grip off
Is that what you’re saying
sullen forge
It probably has a fancier name but I know it assists with pulling the slide back to rechamber rounds
Grinding that off is literally only making it harder on yourself lmao
grizzled aspen
I know.
That's why I was enraged.
Of course you also just ruined a good section of your slides finish and possibly uncovered pitted spots.
No bueno.
stone fern
frog what do you call the uhhh thing you do to guns to convert them from a weapont to a decore piece like sealing the muzzle
grizzled aspen
Nothing is more depressing than going tink tink tink and then your chisel slides just a bit further into the metal than it's supposed to.
stone fern
its so over......
grizzled aspen
I have nothing to equate it to.
modern lintel
I wanted to explode.
bro has soft hands cant chamber w out extra grip
grizzled aspen
Maybe like, working on your car, and then realizing that some wires have been crossed and your turn signal now sets off your horn.
grizzled aspen
bro has soft hands cant chamber w out extra grip
The extra grip isn't what irritated me.
Scuse me, the loss of grip.
What irritated me is that nickel is a pain in the ass to work with and somebody that didn't know what they had fucked it up.
You literally, depending on how the slide is made, wind up making a section of it un engravable, because you simply lack the material thickness necessary to do it.
All in all it just makes your gun ugly.
twilit otter
Nothing wrong with an ugly gun
drifting wolf
how can i fire this if it has no drip
grizzled aspen
Name a nice looking gun that functions poorly.
(brain scrampled egg don't mind the edit)
twilit otter
Umm there are lots of nice looking guns that run like shit
grizzled aspen
Btw if you name a bullpup for this question that isn't an aug variant I'm going to crucify you.
twilit otter
And shitty looking guns that run great
stone fern
Btw if you name a bullpup for this question that isn't an aug variant I'm going ...
umm uhhhhhh
uhhhh
tavor
grizzled aspen
Augs are the only bullpups I would trust to save my life.
twilit otter
Any poorly made clones of a nice looking gun
grizzled aspen
Clones don't count.
twilit otter
IWI tavor
grizzled aspen
"We made a benelli m4 clone!!!"
"Does it work as well as the benelli m4?"
"No it misfires every other shot."
Clone productions do not have as tight of regulations so they have very painful defects in batches.
twilit otter
Turkish are notorious for making bad clones
grizzled aspen
One of the Turkish clones of the bm4 had a shorter firing pin than usual.
grizzled aspen
Turkish are notorious for making bad clones
DING DING DING DING
Took the words right out of my mouth.
twilit otter
Also of you know anything about the canadian gun scene, they banned ar-15 guns, so to get around it canadian company's starting producing their own models
Kodiak WK180C
twilit otter
Notoriously shitty quality
Not an import ban
They just list all the existing ones so a canadian company makes a new one
For the canadian market
grizzled aspen
Just get a fucking sks at that point lmao.
twilit otter
That's pretty much what people do now
grizzled aspen
I'm sure 7.62x39 is easier to get in Canada and the sks is a tough bitch of a rifle.
Unless it's a Chinese clone.
twilit otter
They just banned all the canadian clones a few weeks ago
grizzled aspen
Kinda gotta try to fuck up a proper sks.
twilit otter
The only repeating rifle that's legal now is the sks and the garand
drifting wolf
incredible
grizzled aspen
PALMETTO STATE ARMORY
MAKE A GARAND IN 45-70 GOVT AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
drifting wolf
twilit otter
I need to find a decent one
grizzled aspen
the only legal rifle i have ever fired
"Legal rifle" or legal "rifle"?
spare dome
yup
twilit otter
All I got right now is benelli m4
grizzled aspen
The quotations are on purpose.
ocean talon
Is the lastpistol any good rn?
spare dome
quite
sinful glen
if u like pew pew pew
ocean talon
Ok, so in other words I have 3 chocies, carpal tunnel, installing a mod to help with pew pew or just take the pew pew like a boss?
spare dome
i dont find it that bad to pewpew
its a sidearm that you shouldnt be hardscoping into too much
ocean talon
MK2 I feel like takes a good bit of button mashing to get it's RoF going
spare dome
just draw and fire at a few
sinful glen
pew pew is slow enough that hand doesn’t die instantly
ocean talon
Ok, thx, you've given me hope. Just got bored of running Zarona
merry flume
i use the fullauto mod because im not clicking 1000000 extra times a match
sinful glen
it’s not knife lvls of carpal tunnel
but yeah i’d get auto swing and full auto for long run
merry flume
i just hate semi auto guns with a very high ROF because you end up clicking so fast it fucks your aim up
sinful glen
very true and real
grizzled aspen
Ok, so in other words I have 3 chocies, carpal tunnel, installing a mod to help ...
Full auto on nexus will help your fingers.
Keep swinging, too.
Both "macro" mods (they just repeat m1).
Fatshark lets them exist so they are fair.
hearty nebula
forgor to post it earlier... i finally got ass
stone fern
Ok, so in other words I have 3 chocies, carpal tunnel, installing a mod to help ...
you can use the multiple keybinds mod to help with cancelling
for example binding W AND sprint can help you sprint cancel with one key
or quell and lmb for psyker stuff
stone fern
forgor to post it earlier... i finally got ass
which server are you on again?
grizzled aspen
forgor to post it earlier... i finally got ass
stone fern
EU or US?
hearty nebula
US
stone fern
damn nice
median steeple
twilit otter
Ok, thx, you've given me hope. Just got bored of running Zarona
Run bolt pistol. Laspistol is better on psyker
stone fern
dont at me US is worse
nah laspistol is good on zealot too
it has stupid finesse damage
sturdy cypress
forgor to post it earlier... i finally got ass
Me in the next 5 matches (i'm coping)
hearty nebula
dont at me US is worse <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
idk
i ran into some pretty upid EU players
desert spear
ocean talon
Ok, thx for all the advice, I'm considering the bolt pistol too, it's a joy to shoot
The heavy laspistol makes me feel like I'm in a western tho
A space western I guess
StarCraft moment
sturdy cypress
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/823691093598142484/1326695942765678643/...
Thank you, photorealistic spongebob. Very cool!
desert spear
Sponge Robert killed my family.
sturdy cypress
Ohhhhh...
copper hawk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277023294108864619/1326702658647625738/g...
LMFAO i love this
merry flume
Run bolt pistol. Laspistol is better on psyker
chastise fire rate buff with piety and laspistol FUCKS
i used to melt bosses with that combo
even momentum with laspistol is really good
used to cheese all ranged enemies with ghost and momentum
they just can't hit you if you keep clicking heads
zinc talon
I hate this fucking game
sullen forge
they just can't hit you if you keep clicking heads
Ghost gameplay truly just turning god mode on
wanton fossil
How’s it going zealot chat?
sullen forge
i mean you still have to deal with melee
You say this at our melee combat skill level it’s practically god mode LMAO
grizzled aspen
would you prefer **l o n g**
THAT FUCKING STOCK KIT DOESNT EVEN SIT FLUSH WITH YOUR RECEIVER
IM GONNA EAT YOUR LIVER
sullen forge
Keep making fucked up guns
grizzled aspen
No, the reading has made me weary.
sullen forge
I love them
zinc talon
standard 8 shot revolver, as god intended
grizzled aspen
I shan't look at them.
sullen forge
HELL YEAH
grizzled aspen
I think we should kill Okri.
zinc talon
believe it or not but this fuckin bargain brand killing floor thing is a stock mg34
no options
mg34, this.
why is there a tube
going through the sight
modern lintel
gas gas gas
zinc talon
up near your throat
oh maybe it's meant to be braced into the exo armor of the troop type carring it
and kept at the hip close
or that god awful pro gamer hold-the-gun-in-front-and-behind at the hip like ahhnold with a minigun torn off a helicopter
copper hawk
Twitter
hearty nebula
freakdiver car....
fleet zealot
remote lark
wow
i picked up ds for the first time again in a while
and i finally understand
how broken it is
i just pulled off the nastiest carry i think i've ever done in this game
why does this weapon exist
fleet zealot
cause it is the crutch psykers needed instead of learning proper melee
same with prenerf powersword for vet
spare talon
then they gave it to everyone
fleet zealot
so you have a weapon that was already overpowered on a class that relatively doesn't juice melee
given to vet who can just juice everything
spare talon
fleet zealot
and zealot, who is melee focused
spare talon
lmao
spare talon
take a guess
fleet zealot
cause if your vet they are dumb asf
spare talon
fleet zealot
LOL
spare talon
the stigma rings true
fleet zealot
i hate REDDIT
spare talon
ogryn bad
fleet zealot
I HATE YOUTUBERS
spare talon
ogryn suck
fleet zealot
orgyn BAD
spare talon
ogryn poopoo
fleet zealot
FATSHARKS NERFED THEM INTO THE GROUND (2 talent positions moved)
if i saw a 40 ogryn i'm taking him instantly unless we are too ammo heavy without a vet
spare talon
lets see
copper hawk
Gronkington-the-III is peak
fleet zealot
there is so many valid complaints about ogryn, but their top tier is on par with other classes
copper hawk
ogryn is a lot of fun in hav 40
spare talon
Gronkington-the-III is peak
if names could be longer
it would be Sir Duke Grokington the III, Esquire
copper hawk
it's like the only class i feel doesn't feel overwhelmed in melee
like that's the fun obv to be completely engulfed in the dark tides but
spare talon
im tryna see how ogryn is in havoc
im using the build i got from reg, jsat, etc
i think i was declined again
zinc talon
I don't seem to have any additional trouble myself but I'm not really branching out beyond slab and pickaxe
copper hawk
im tryna see how ogryn is in havoc
it's ez
zinc talon
and still playing the more defensive build/playstyle you could easily assume about me
copper hawk
i did a 40 carrying kills and damage by a large margin w ogryn
on a whim w randoms no comms w party finder
modern lintel
my ogryn is the only character i dont have named cole hes tinkerbell
copper hawk
ogryn is probs the easiest pick up and play in havoc
so long as u have a beacon zeal
heavy hitter and batter is nuts
w the kars runnin hter and slaught
the ripper is still nice for sniping specials too
spare talon
zinc talon
my thrust/damage on hit borovian can oneshot reapers and 95% crushers
gleaming kelp
I really hate Tox Bombers 
modern lintel
i used to rlly like the ripper guns now i hate them for some reason
zinc talon
pickaxes are great but man do they have a lot of ways to totally top out anything you could want to do with it
other weapons would almost be a self-challenge to keep up with
personal high score type thing
spare talon
every 8 seconds you can just literally throw entire hordes and elite packs on their asses
it also opens bulwark shields
copper hawk
yerp
modern lintel
this talent
is bonkers
zinc talon
crushers too, yeah
copper hawk
and crushers
undone pewter
but reddit said
zinc talon
remember, the #1 offensive thing ogryn bring to the table is being able to push both ragers and maulers out of their attacks whenever you want to
which should be all the time
you bully the bullies
modern lintel
in know relic charged heavies stop ragers does it also work on maulers and crushers
zinc talon
I was shocked finally swapping off okri to zealot and suddenly ragers are a fuckin thing now, as me?
undone pewter
How good is the new stubber btw I gave it like a glance on update day then moved past it
modern lintel
its ok imo
obsidian prairie
in know relic charged heavies stop ragers does it also work on maulers and crush...
Sometimes
On maulers
heady rapids
hello other-games-chat does anyone speak french here
spare talon
not a "kill by volume" but actually aiming and shooting things
median steeple
One year of Junior High French did not stick
heady rapids
fuck........
can you do a happy birthday in french or your best impression of it
written obv*
median steeple
no since I haven't spoken or wrote it in almost a decade
modern lintel
i dont believe in french people