zealot-class

[drowsy steppe]

I'm sorry amigo..

[red swift]

Illisi is great now that all the force swords have the same good dodges

[fleet zealot]

Illisi doesn’t have that monster that is deimos h2

[thorn sable]

Better as a staff sidearm, worse for mobility

[red swift]

and wrath for havoc

[muted pike]

There was an argument imo when it had infinite dodges

But the damage and mobility of dsmk4 is stupid

[fast iron]

god I want to dual wield a knife with FGS on psyker so bad right now

[misty nova]

They doing my Opportunist dirty 😭

[fast iron]

let me do cool flips and I'm sold

[grizzled aspen]

Fuck it, I'm looking up an abyss watcher cosplay kit on Amazon.

[drowsy steppe]

infinite dodges on force swords is certainly a phase

[fleet zealot]

Force swords still have above average mobility and deimos does not lack damage in the slightest

[normal wren]

I need to try out the illisi

[thorn sable]

Laspistol + fgs goes hard

[fleet zealot]

Hate to say it but hrup is cooking

[thorn sable]

Laspistol got the mobility and boss damage, fgs mulches hordes with dd

[red swift]

When do I not cook ferret boy

[fleet zealot]

If zealot had deimos it would replace dueling sword for us

[muted pike]

DS has broken damage and mobility

[river jackal]

Can someone recommend me like an easy to use setup for Zealot? Including weapons etc that is scalable to Auric Mael / Havoc 40? I want to try and learn the class properly

[fleet zealot]

So does deimos

[misty nova]

Illisi has like 2 finesse or something going for it
Probably to compensate for lack of strike downs
So that's that

[normal wren]

Less stamina doesnt it?

[fleet zealot]

Have you used the deimos h2? It’s a nuke on a stick

[drowsy steppe]

unironically chorus with dueling sword mk4 xd

[fast iron]

the knife has better damage and better mobility and people are fine with it

[normal wren]

Mobility wise

[fleet zealot]

Dueling sword has lower stam i’m 99% sure

[normal wren]

Also deflector

[river jackal]

I'd rather throw myself from the 50th floor of a skyscraper

[thorn sable]

This is my ole reliable for havoc https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dda864a-e3a0-48d3-a3cb-7f3b4ee1145b/h40-ts-book-spam

[red swift]

You using the build I gave you yesterday? If you want good viable weapons try Rashad Combat Axe, Relic Sword, Chainsword MK13g, Dueling Sword, Knife.

[drowsy steppe]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db9a1d8-bcd9-472e-bb13-4cb2ad5ad7e2/havoc-chorus-relic-sword-if-your-team-isnt-killing-distant-gunners-and-specials-they-suck you might like this then

[fleet zealot]

Like force swords are still on the high end of mobility

[red swift]

Crusher too

[fleet zealot]

They are by no means slow or immobile

[past sierra]

double cdr

[normal wren]

Maybe its just my psyker, but I feel slow

[thorn sable]

My name for it is “ultimate book bitch”. The job of the build is to literally just spam book by getting backshots and crits while still doing ok damage because the mk10 relic is nuts

[wanton fossil]

Relic blade & flamer are my fave weapon combo

[normal wren]

Will have to try with the ds and see

[fleet zealot]

If zealot had deimos minus the magic stuff, it would instantly be a viable sidegrade

[thorn sable]

Immo >>> flamer imo

[normal wren]

True true

[red swift]

It would be the same tier as dueling sword

[river jackal]

Out of curiosity why flamer when you already have the horde power of relic blade?

[drowsy steppe]

this is my 'youre the close range guy and support with chorus so rely on your team to kill gunners'

[fleet zealot]

You’d see insane combo potential

[drowsy steppe]

mixed horde on havoc

[lean lark]

flamer is infinite horde clear + mixed horde clear

[wanton fossil]

I take knoife

[past sierra]

there are some hordes where its more easier to deal with flamer

[normal wren]

Deimos on zealot should onetap crushers

[lean lark]

keyword infinite horde clear

[river jackal]

Would it not make more sense then to do like

Flamer and Thammer?

[red swift]

Flamer with Knife and Dueling Sword, Bolter for everything else tbh

[fleet zealot]

Where you just seamlessly weave in h2 to oneshot stuff

[drowsy steppe]

flame DOTs are also good boss damage

[hard nexus]

it’s so stupid

[grizzled aspen]

Infinite cleave mixed horde clear and ammo economy gets really sketchy in higher havocs.

[thorn sable]

Knife is not good in high havoc imo

[lean lark]

flamer thammer was a common setup in the past and its still good

[drowsy steppe]

I dont fw thammer on havoc 40s

[past sierra]

using bolter without throwing knives

[fleet zealot]

Throwing knives fall off in havoc

[normal wren]

Its an oh shit button

[thorn sable]

Multiple knives to kill stuff is pain

[lean lark]

but in havoc you want to get as much horde clear as possible, so relic flamer is a very good otpion

[fleet zealot]

At 40 you can only oneshot an unhardened sniper

[normal wren]

Oneshot one of those fucking stalkers

[thorn sable]

I mean if you don’t need holy rev to stay alive the possibility for double CDR is right there 😤

[red swift]

Flamer ammo economy is too poor. Bolter can be used to spray and snipe

better ammo eco

[drowsy steppe]

also that build says mark 10 but I prefer mark 2 now

[river jackal]

Could use Thammer for same build on Auric Mael?

[fleet zealot]

Only if they aren’t hardened

[normal wren]

Yeah

[lean lark]

flamer ammo economy isnt a problem

[river jackal]

Because H1 H2 i guess?

[drowsy steppe]

yea

[potent gate]

Huh that's

[past sierra]

not bad to stun trappers etc
and they dont depend much by ammo cause they regen back lot easier

[potent gate]

Not true?

[wanton fossil]

I haven’t gotten into high havoc (mids atm) so I may start using grenades

[thorn sable]

Havoc builds in auric are throwing

[drowsy steppe]

the horde clear moveset yea?

[potent gate]

That's just not true at all lmao

[river jackal]

Yeah H1 H2 is fantastic on MK II

[drowsy steppe]

but mainly I prefer access to light strikedowns immediately

[fleet zealot]

That’s what i’ve been told multiple times in terms of elites/specialists with raw knives

[thorn sable]

Havoc builds are designed to solve havoc problem, auric is a dps race with minimal survival issues

[past sierra]

yea can still one shot trappers if headshotting them

[drowsy steppe]

over having to do heavy inputs for strikedowns

[fleet zealot]

Poxhardened kills throwing knives

[past sierra]

even if you miss anyway its good that they get stunned by the knives
and run away

[red swift]

Just use this bro

[past sierra]

but throwing knives was more for bolter cause the cancel animation

[thorn sable]

Immo is just way more utility than knife in high havoc imo

[fleet zealot]

With maniac perk i’m guessing?

[thorn sable]

Not even close

[drowsy steppe]

man I wish creature spawner has enemy stats scaled to havoc 40 levels

[river jackal]

Depends on the build honestly

[potent gate]

Well either way, with how actual gameplay works, you're 1 shotting pretty much everything with knives if you're running Annoint and duelist

[muted pike]

I mean I see your point, but GL dying with a vet with VC, 2 zealots with books, and a psyker with bubble

[potent gate]

Idk if duelist works on throwing knives but Annoint does for sure

[river jackal]

Some Havoc builds are insanely powerful anyway, so you're fine

[past sierra]

cant you test with solo play havoc and just disable ai

[red swift]

duelist does

[wanton fossil]

I can see that, I know fire is helpful (I’ve run flame staff/bubble psyker mainly, not zealot)

[drowsy steppe]

Rampage + Wrath on the relic cuz you wont be needing to activate the sword most of the time to clear out hordes

[thorn sable]

I’m confused what your argument is or how it is relevant to my comment

[drowsy steppe]

I dont have those mods xd

[potent gate]

Rampage on the relic blade feels so ass, I can never do it again in havoc

[muted pike]

Thats a meta havoc team comp

[red swift]

holy shit Shart Simp is actually elightened

[thorn sable]

Ok and?

[fast iron]

ok sure dives into a crusher overhead

[thorn sable]

How is that relevant to my comment about aurics?

[red swift]

Rampage with Wrath in havoc is pretty much the best imo

Rampage cranial can work too

[drowsy steppe]

I might try not playing with rampage

personally I prefer CLEAVE

[potent gate]

Cranial wrath is the way imo

[red swift]

Rampage feels mid without wrath, but with wrath the uptime is insane

[drowsy steppe]

you absolutely can run that

[red swift]

just dont activate on non mixed basic hordes

[fast iron]

oh right non psykers don't have +100% cleave for listening to their beloved

[thorn sable]

Agree, it gives you more performance against hordes with blade off which you need

BC sometimes the blade is gonna be off

[past sierra]

i have played these games before!!

[normal wren]

They should buff the explosion of overload

[red swift]

Also if you want to maximize activation uptime, stack cranial before actually activating

[normal wren]

Make it an ogryn bomb sized

[potent gate]

Well with cranial, you never really need to turn blade off tbh.

Between killing specials with Zarona and using book, relic blade is always on cd

[thorn sable]

I do heavy horizontals with blade off when hording with mk10 so I can save the heat for ragers/crushers/maulers

[thorn sable]

No way, I have downtime even with cranial and head aiming

[potent gate]

If you're not doing anything for a few seconds either, just hot swap weapons to get rid of the activation

[normal wren]

That does enough to deal with moebian 21s

[thorn sable]

Yep

[fast iron]

it, currently, uses ogryn power maul explosion damage

which is ass

[potent gate]

I don't understand how when you're running a build with 20000 million cdr and I don't xd

Find more specials

[thorn sable]

Specifically talking about blade heat

[normal wren]

Yes, need to buff it (and tbh it would make the powermaul have a funny usage)

[thorn sable]

Yeah with CDR for book it’s off cooldown like all the time

[muted pike]

I'm considering dropping zealot, idk bout yall but with a controller I'll never be a pro at hitting heads mad quick with daggers

[misty nova]

You're not 456 my homie

[grizzled aspen]

The best way I've found to use rb is use mk2 with cranial and wrath to have good uptime on scourge, then when the sword is getting hot, swap to the agri autogun in my pocket and aim for head level.

[red swift]

Just do non throwing knife builds

[fast iron]

testing it power Surge doesn't even work for the poor maul lmao

[potent gate]

Yeah and what I'm saying is that I never hit max heat/ forced to deactivate and slash without it

But if I don't run cranial

[grizzled aspen]

By the time your mag is empty your sword should be cooled enough to draw and use again.

[potent gate]

Then I have to

[normal wren]

Psyker has some soft aim assists, might work

[past sierra]

i have said i played these games before!!!

[fast iron]

it only increases explosion radius while special is active

[past sierra]

hold stilll

[drowsy steppe]

thats rough buddy 🫂

[thorn sable]

Are you playing a max height guy?

[normal wren]

More hitscanny

[grizzled aspen]

Try psyker with assail and scriers gaze.

[fast iron]

like every gun in the game has those while aiming

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[potent gate]

No, gal if that makes a difference?

[misty nova]

25 DAMAGE

[thorn sable]

The max height is the key thing, virtually guarantees head taps

[normal wren]

Yee psyker just has them without aiming

[grizzled aspen]

Assail is basically tknives if you had aim assist and scriers makes you functionally a beast for 30ish seconds.

[lean lark]

just dont run knives

[muted pike]

Why not play Vet at that point? Sure I give up some durability, but atleast I get infinite nades and still incredibly potent melee alongside a boatload of ammo

[red swift]

max height is actually very minimal difference

[potent gate]

Lmaooo. Guess you're just gonna have to jump every swing and aim up xd

[past sierra]

aim assist but sometimes not precise

[thorn sable]

And not having bubble makes your entire team bitch constantly and blame you for everything no matter what your dps

[red swift]

Ye go ahead and do that lol, demo team on havoc is crazy value.

[muted pike]

Or yeah, Scrier's Gaze psyker

[fast iron]

they can suck my beloved's tits

[grizzled aspen]

Idk about you but I kill everything before it becomes enough of a problem to make bubble necessary. :P

[past sierra]

and no cap
you do more damage by throwing assails in the wrong parts
like pulling forward poxbursters to you/to the team cause weird hitboxes

[grizzled aspen]

I am literally moving at the speed of sound with a greatsword, a shotgun, and a positive attitude.

[drowsy steppe]

max height because the melee class loves to hit heads as much as they want to

[red swift]

Most people don't care about your build bro

[past sierra]

bubble in havoc so nice
And nice good counter for bon

[thorn sable]

people who don’t care about team builds tend to stay in the 20s

[grizzled aspen]

*As long as you aren't griefing and you can stay off the floor.

[fast iron]

get some of that delicious emperor milk mmm

i should sleep

[past sierra]

[red swift]

Nah, like, no matter the havoc. Most people don't care to complain.

People are starting to understand that you don't need chorus and bubble to clear havoc 40

[thorn sable]

Yes and I’ve been on those teams and they tend to lose

[muted pike]

Feel like nades on Zealot are ass. Esp when compared to Vet.

Daggers tho? My god, amazing if you are good with them. Between that and the clutch potential of the class... imo its the selling point.

If you cant dagger I feel you're better off playing vet or psyker

[grizzled aspen]

Somebody doesn't play premades with good people it seems...

[thorn sable]

I care which is why my h40 runs tend to be wins

[past sierra]

well this is true
but if someone wanna runs those
up to them

[thorn sable]

Correct, I pug. I also don’t use cheat mods like spidey sense

[grizzled aspen]

"Cheat mods" the forums are that way bro.

[thorn sable]

So I have to actually play the build game and can’t just rely on being carried

[red swift]

oddball is the king of strawmans tbh

[thorn sable]

🤷‍♀️

[fast iron]

eh I use the collectible mod for the icon when near them

[muted pike]

Daggers just 1hko'ing specials and having a load of them to toss out is goated

[grizzled aspen]

I have never seen a sane take out of his mouth that hasn't already been said before. Methinks he needs to crawl back to psyker chat.

[thorn sable]

😂

[fast iron]

mostly because I can't be arsed to turn down music to hear those

[steel agate]

For me it’s slient judging on low havoc considering I’ve only been able to havoc with my zel, all my other operators get declined

Pubs for clarification

[muted pike]

Imagine if brainburst for psyker had instant activation or could be used to ani-cancel long animations

[drowsy steppe]

alright enough debating for me tonight, head hurts, good day yall ❤️

[muted pike]

Dagger is nuts

[thorn sable]

I play with ogryns in h40 and enjoy playing 20s for chill, it’s no judgement to be down there

[steel agate]

none of the lads I regular with care about havoc

[grizzled aspen]

I can't be bothered to play pub havocs.

[normal wren]

You can make it instant...

[red swift]

This once in a h40 I've had an Ogryn leave my game because I wasn't chorus

[normal wren]

Its called empower psionics

[past sierra]

seems like people done h40 with grey weapons
so whatever build it suits you really

[grizzled aspen]

I played like two of them before and I damn near exploded with rage.

[thorn sable]

Those people are very good and playing with an organized group

[grizzled aspen]

You are looking at some of the best players ever to touch this game with that.

Except Tintin.

[past sierra]

discrimination

[muted pike]

Or you can play zealot and just instagib those same specials with no strings attached.

Just be good with dagger

[grizzled aspen]

Tintin still plays like a weasel.

[potent gate]

I don't think grey weapons would be very hard tbh

[thorn sable]

Exactly this

[potent gate]

It doesn't change the overall strategy in a meaningful way

[normal wren]

Bburst does more damage methinks (so still kills at havoc 40)

[steel agate]

Ty for the reassurance, I’ll try upping my havoc rank today

[grizzled aspen]

It does.

[thorn sable]

I got h40 and ts with pugs in the first week. I’d get crushed if I tried it with gray only

[potent gate]

No talents on the other hand would be a pain in the ass

[red swift]

Grey weapon alone isn't too bad. You still have talents and infinit cleave flame staff and chorus and all that stuff.

[grizzled aspen]

Bb can 3tap ogryns.

Tknives cannot.

Unless you do silly things.

[muted pike]

Zealot doesnt get the ammo efficiency or infinite nades Vet gets, but its does get a boatload of 1hko daggers to toss out that does the job. Just gotta be accurate

[normal wren]

With empowered psionics I think its 2

[grizzled aspen]

Like surgical + hand cannon revolver guaranteed crit + duellist tknife can 1tap a crusher.

Because, funny.

[thorn sable]

But your ammo eco blows

[grizzled aspen]

This is why I run revolver in CIVI.

[thorn sable]

So it’s not really viable outside of aurics

[grizzled aspen]

And its the only reason I touch revolver anymore.

[past sierra]

with randoms i guess its fair
even tho i think randoms can be universally coordinated if they good

[muted pike]

Tbqh, non-Dagger zealot is cope

[grizzled aspen]

I wouldn't say that.

The bigger issue with tknife is pathing.

[normal wren]

Point efficiency

[river jackal]

Tbh the whole grey weapon thing, the game isn't designed to be balanced around the kind of people who can run grey weapons

[thorn sable]

It is possible to coordinate pug groups and I do it. But its hard and requires a lot of careful use of pings, chat and positive attitude

[grizzled aspen]

You path through some obscenely good talents to get tknives.

Some that are widely considered to be necessary for basic function, such as second wind.

[past sierra]

for now seen only that vid
no other people trying it
but i guess would be interesting to see lv 1 with grey weapons
but not sure if it would be possible there

[normal wren]

And for piety the bleed talent

[past sierra]

wait you cant even go in havoc at lv 1

smilers

[grizzled aspen]

Dorn says it's impossible, at least for ogryn.

[thorn sable]

But then you run into guys like charliecharges who are so ridiculously skill endowed that they can hard carry an h40

[river jackal]

Several classes have the same issue, it brings me to conclude that we would actually see more build variety by removing blitz nodes

[grizzled aspen]

Yes you can, you just gotta be cheeky.

[muted pike]

Tknives are goated for the utility they provide the class and god tier pathing.

You get so many of them to throw

[past sierra]

ah with the invite?

[grizzled aspen]

Yup.

[past sierra]

ok

[normal wren]

Pribably would

[past sierra]

dont think would be any easier even with zealots tbf

[normal wren]

Imagine if rock could get big boom

[grizzled aspen]

Oh it would be significantly easier, because you can actually dodge bullets.

However.

[past sierra]

with no talents?

[river jackal]

Tbh with Ogryn just bring 4x slab shield

[grizzled aspen]

Dorn says he's not gonna burn 14 hours to do a no talent grey weapons attempt on h40.

[muted pike]

Like, its braindead easy to decide. A couple grenades or 100 tknives

[river jackal]

Block those bullets

[past sierra]

zealot if stays alive is because of the many talents that make synergy with dodges

toughness and damage reduction etc

[vocal hatch]

ABOUT TO GO HOME ANYONE WANNA PLAY

[past sierra]

fair

[thorn sable]

And a lot of other survivability options like holy rev

[past sierra]

we said no talents lol

[thorn sable]

The holy rev line giving you a second chance on 1hk stuff is very strong even if I don’t use it

[thorn sable]

Sure, but not having it means survivability is much lower so it’s worth noting

[wanton fossil]

I’ll play if you’re cool with someone running on 3 hrs sleep

[past sierra]

and in h40
i doubt thats enough with no until death

[muted pike]

Idk, feel like psyker was made for vt2 players.

[past sierra]

until death is maybe one of the good talent that makes you survive a bit more and potentially get other chances

[thorn sable]

I think it’s literally game changing in strength

[past sierra]

especially if it refills everytime cause surviving every time

[thorn sable]

Like, I play completely different when not using it

[misty nova]

looks inside
Mostly ranged

[past sierra]

anyway still impressive that ogryn run with grey weapons

i would get crushed

when someones good
gotta say it

cant say otherwise
So gz at dorn and the others

smilers

why dorn isnt in this server btw

[undone pewter]

Banned

Lol

[misty nova]

Banned

[past sierra]

wtf

why

what happened

[misty nova]

Witch hunting

[past sierra]

bruh

[grizzled aspen]

Witch hunting was the nail in the coffin.

But he exposed someone that needs to be banned from the internet entirely.

[past sierra]

damnz

[misty nova]

Yeah that was weird

[past sierra]

well not sure what happened exactly
but id reported too if there was someone weird

[ebon bobcat]

Yall doing witch hunting?

[wanton fossil]

is a witch
Shit

[grizzled aspen]

Tldr, because I'm not gonna go in depth about it because I doubt mods really enjoy my presence after talking about it so much, his ban was called into question by the entirety of zealout chat regulars, we realized he was shot without proper investigation, Incan then investigated, and the other guy was shot, too.

[past sierra]

witch hunting
the song in vt2

[thorn sable]

I feel like Dorn probably warranted a ban for some of the stuff he did but I was shocked that that was what did it

[grizzled aspen]

Dorns appeal has been denied as well, though for what seems to be a valid reason.

[misty nova]

Nah that's against the rules

[past sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP1yankUGII

[past sierra]

wtf why

[vocal hatch]

@wanton fossil I've had no sleep yet just got off work 🤪🤪🤪

[quartz marsh]

What's sleep

[grizzled aspen]

"Lying about being a playtester" is the official reason, though I've seen no proof of this.

[past sierra]

so if you report someone being weird on the server and provide proof
you get banned forever wtf

[grizzled aspen]

It's w/e though, I'm in dorncord so I can interact with em if I wanna.

[past sierra]

bruh
isnt he a playtester

[misty nova]

It's more about the way you go about it

[past sierra]

i zee

[grizzled aspen]

No, you report things privately to not get the axe.

He was out here airing out dirty laundry for everyone on the street to see.

[past sierra]

ah i thought was private

through mods etc

[red swift]

Dorncord?

[past sierra]

pop corn

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, Dorncord. No, I will not invite anyone.

[steel agate]

1st I’ve heard of dorncord ngl, more power to em

[past sierra]

can i join that server

[quartz marsh]

I'm just finding this conversation interesting

[red swift]

Lol what the fuck

[past sierra]

dorns good player i remeber his old videos
wanna follow

[grizzled aspen]

Dorn invited all but like 3 people there himself.

[past sierra]

damnz

[grizzled aspen]

Hence why I am not inviting anyone.

[past sierra]

fair

[grizzled aspen]

Don't want Dorn to shoot me for inviting someone he doesn't like.

[past sierra]

np

[vocal hatch]

@quartz marsh that part

[acoustic dune]

ey ey zealot

oiling up feral style

[grizzled aspen]

I'm going to skedaddle now that knify is here.

I do not wish to contract his flavor of brain rot.

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-running-running-cyberkongz-kong-kongz-gif-26463208

[quartz marsh]

Hm?

[wanton fossil]

Oop

[vocal hatch]

@grizzled aspen 🤣😭🤣😭🤣 you crack me up

[acoustic dune]

cya twink frog

[grizzled aspen]

I should vomit in your lap.

[undone pewter]

Everyone is so full of hatred here we love it

[vocal hatch]

@quartz marsh on what's sleep

[acoustic dune]

do it

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-dog-im-fr-an-eater-qazira-dog-tongue-freaky-dog-tongue-gif-14576727459878736156

[quartz marsh]

Ah.

Help if you'd use the reply feature so I knew what you were referring to lol

[grizzled aspen]

I told him that earlier.

[past sierra]

smilers

[quartz marsh]

Shit its 10AM and I have not slept

[grizzled aspen]

Yummy another 24 hours of being awake is in store for me.

It is 9am and I have been awake since 6pm yesterday.

[quartz marsh]

I have become a vampire again

[past sierra]

konbini time

[hard nexus]

it’s like the only rule to not invite shitters

[normal wren]

Sleep frog

[hard nexus]

also the server sucks

it’s awful

everyone is stupid

i don’t ever use it

[past sierra]

why

[hard nexus]

immature

[past sierra]

im not there so idk
i like dorn cause good player

[hard nexus]

stupid arguments over nothing

[past sierra]

like which ones?

[hard nexus]

dorn’s a decent player

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870802009945702521/1314087528139329626/rapidsave.com_ab6gxtphzu4e1.gif

[quartz marsh]

Is that the spongebob movie

[hard nexus]

not gonna air it out here because regulars in that server r regulars here too

[past sierra]

dunno about discords
been a while i dont use this server
joined time ago but still play dt

[hard nexus]

and it’s just

a lot

and really stupid

[past sierra]

ok

[quartz marsh]

I joined the server recently after a friend of mine got the game for me for Christmas

[past sierra]

btw does everyone here play havoc?

[steel agate]

Yes

[quartz marsh]

Not me, not yet anyway

Working on masteries first

[grizzled aspen]

Meeeeeee

[past sierra]

keep that talent hidden

[grizzled aspen]

I incite maybe 80% of the stupid arguments.

The others perpetuate them.

[quartz marsh]

I'm not even halfway done with the mastery grind

Most recent ones was Helbore/knife

[past sierra]

theres a mod that can make it a bit easy to get all masteries

[grizzled aspen]

You should get a havoc build ready and start doing a couple, it's free materials every week.

Also, are you grinding out mastery by running weapons in missions or are you pay2winning it?

[hard nexus]

yes you

[quartz marsh]

Running missions

[past sierra]

i think in few weeks can easily reach the cap maybe in havoc

[quartz marsh]

Besides devils sword

That one for the last 3 I did sacrifice

[past sierra]

do you play havoc

?

[hard nexus]

they are just so fucking STUPID

[quartz marsh]

Because I forgot I never finished it lmao

[hard nexus]

GRAHH

[hard nexus]

yeah

[grizzled aspen]

You can pay2win a lot of annoying masteries.

Not with real money ofc.

[quartz marsh]

I know

But I also want to try everything

[past sierra]

havoc good
maybe they should add more modifiers

etc

[acoustic dune]

can someone carry me for havoc 40?

[grizzled aspen]

That's valid, but some things just aren't good without certain blessing combos, like helbores.

[acoustic dune]

no one wanna play with me ):

[past sierra]

ur rank 40 prob

already

[grizzled aspen]

Helbores are fucking atrocious without weight of fire and surgical.

[quartz marsh]

Helbore I probably shot myself in the foot with because I played very aggressive melee so I barely used it aside from being Reaper-be-gone

[past sierra]

do you bring those in havoc?

[grizzled aspen]

No.

You likely don't even play vet in havoc.

Pus hardened as a modifier fucking hates vet players.

[past sierra]

me?
was just asking to you

[grizzled aspen]

I was meaning like generally.

[past sierra]

aah

[acoustic dune]

what are you babbling about?

i am not

[past sierra]

vet is not bad to have one

[acoustic dune]

i am like 25

[grizzled aspen]

"You" doesn't refer to you, there.

[past sierra]

i got it

[grizzled aspen]

Vet is used in havoc as a stat stick class to get survivalist and field improv, and thats really it.

[quartz marsh]

Another reason I been doing this is to slowly get better as well, still make stupid mistakes at times.

[tame sluice]

helbore overkills so hard it honestly almost ignores pus hardened

[grizzled aspen]

One could run a recon with infernus to get around pus hardened.

[tame sluice]

don't shredder grenades kill entire hordes

like a single one

[past sierra]

i think its not bad to have a vet one in the team for ammo regen
and voc is nice in general

[grizzled aspen]

Not in havocs.

[tame sluice]

and they have 4? that regenerate?

[past sierra]

grenades too not bad

[grizzled aspen]

They are stagger tools, mainly.

[past sierra]

which helps

[grizzled aspen]

The thing that kills hordes is your psyker.

[acoustic dune]

people unironically use hellbore?

i dont find it as a fun weapon

[grizzled aspen]

Trauma or purg staff obliterates hordes with ease.

[past sierra]

then plasma gun usually people use
but i see vets using recon lasguns

[normal wren]

And shredders

[acoustic dune]

o btw froggo

[grizzled aspen]

Recon lasgun is best for vet in havoc.

[muted pike]

Shredders do so much dps

[acoustic dune]

how is soulblaze on havoc40?

[grizzled aspen]

Not terrible?

[past sierra]

yes seems so
good stuff

[grizzled aspen]

Like it's not like your adms go down.

[acoustic dune]

not coming from the source of the purge staff

[normal wren]

I enjoy it, but also am hurt because I got used to it wothout wof

[grizzled aspen]

And enemy hp doesn't change between the levels.

[muted pike]

Youre nuts if you think vet is just a stat stick

[acoustic dune]

only ours?

[grizzled aspen]

In havoc, they are.

Vets exist to bring survivalist and field improv.

[past sierra]

ive seen some dorns video
good vet

[muted pike]

They get so many nades

[normal wren]

Vets are there for 4 things: survivalist, shout, shredders, field improv

[tame sluice]

power sword and plasma gun are bangers too

[grizzled aspen]

Vets fill any role that is currently not being filled, and in that, they get a pass.

[past sierra]

survivalist can be nice in havoc

[vivid leaf]

Maxed my zealot 😎😎

[past sierra]

gz

[vivid leaf]

Now I’ve got 2 max level characters😎

[past sierra]

ez

[normal wren]

Congrats

[past sierra]

gz yes

[grizzled aspen]

Just remember that in havocs every elite and specialist has 1.5x hp.

[muted pike]

Psyker has purge staff and bubble...?

[past sierra]

keep that talent hidden

[vivid leaf]

Bet

[past sierra]

not only that

[normal wren]

Plasma is still useful for knocking shit over snipers at 200 yards

[vivid leaf]

Ran havoc last night with the zealot did pretty well might need to tweak it for

[grizzled aspen]

You should not run plasma in havoc at all.

[vivid leaf]

Doe*

[acoustic dune]

bubble is neat and all but doesnt seem that good

[past sierra]

til to the h40

[past sierra]

its guddo

inafu

[grizzled aspen]

You will get away with it in low tiers because your ammo economy doesn't get shafted, but later tiers, you basically can't run anything that isn't recon lasgun shaped.

[normal wren]

Maybe I scuffed it because I did a 40 with it

[past sierra]

countering hard bon and regen toughness

• giving openings
  not that bad

[vivid leaf]

Bet

[muted pike]

2 book zealots with a vet + psyker dumping out damage is goated

[normal wren]

Used it to pretty much exclusively kill snipers

[acoustic dune]

recon lasy have good ammo economy?

[vivid leaf]

I heard book zealots are op

[normal wren]

And shooters

[vivid leaf]

I’m running a crit zealot should I try the book zealot???

[grizzled aspen]

You were either
A) very sparing with your ammo
B) you were being outdone in your job
C) didn't think to use your plasma when it could've been used

[normal wren]

But 60% of my damage was shredders

[grizzled aspen]

DINGDINGDING

[past sierra]

if you want yes

[grizzled aspen]

There it is.

[normal wren]

The former

[hushed knoll]

HELLO FROGCAST ILY

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah plasma doesn't have the ammo economy to run in high havocs.

[muted pike]

Shredders do a shitload of damage

[acoustic dune]

o god stan is here

[normal wren]

But really used shredders for shooter packs that normally people would use plasma for

Since I was the only one using nades

[grizzled aspen]

People would normally not use plasma on anything that can't be pinged.

[normal wren]

Hence all pickups were mine

[grizzled aspen]

Because plasma is a breakpoint weapon and all that.

[normal wren]

Yeah

[past sierra]

mostly for elites and specials

[muted pike]

Shredders do so much damn damage and you literally get all the nades on top of already having a shitload

[grizzled aspen]

I.e. "if I don't oneshot this, I'm not going to shoot it."

[normal wren]

It doesnt work for that in havoc 40 though

[lean lark]

vet hav40 is so good to have if they know what they're doing

[past sierra]

a bit boring after a while perhaps plasma gun

[normal wren]

Thing is, it still oneshots shooters, and knocks over gunners

[lean lark]

can be said for every class actually

[grizzled aspen]

Now you know why people don't use it.

[muted pike]

Ogryn are doodoo, psykers and zealots dont use nades.

Vet gets them all.

Vet is literally spamming nades

[normal wren]

Yup, I understand the reasoning

[grizzled aspen]

Somebody does not know the might of the ogryn frag bomb.

[past sierra]

vet eating good

[normal wren]

The thing is recon is.... ammo hungry

[acoustic dune]

the vet grenadier sub class

[grizzled aspen]

It's not.

[normal wren]

Yeah ogryns get grenades

[muted pike]

Ogryn doesn't have voc, book, or bubble.

[acoustic dune]

FERRET POSTER

[fleet zealot]

Recon is probably the most efficient gun

[grizzled aspen]

If youre not using the bullet hose model then you aren't using the right one for havoc.

[fleet zealot]

Period

[acoustic dune]

can we hab ferret dancing?

[normal wren]

If ogryn has big bomb

[grizzled aspen]

Ogryn has tonk and lp.

[lean lark]

my hav40 vet build is mk10 laspistol unarmored maniacs (specialist oneshot breakpoints + dreg gunners) conc fire infernus with infinite krak nades

[acoustic dune]

he is cheering

[grizzled aspen]

You want everything to stop shooting at you? Get your ogryn tonk'd in the right spot.

[lean lark]

its kind of insane how effective kraks get in hav40

[acoustic dune]

i ask for it dancing

[fleet zealot]

So picky

[acoustic dune]

i am so sorry

[grizzled aspen]

One ogryn can literally invalidate 100 shooters by himself if you position him correctly.

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-dancing-ferret-dancing-cute-pokemon-gif-15715669

[hushed knoll]

Aw

[grizzled aspen]

The issue with this, though, is now you are playing around a shieldgryn and not a bubble psyker.

[hushed knoll]

Wow rude

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-kitty-cat-happy-excited-gif-10302657046876115666

[grizzled aspen]

Your likelihood of failure skyrockets.

[undone pewter]

Why mk10

[fleet zealot]

Ogryn is literally useless in havoc tho /s

[acoustic dune]

SPEAK NOT ELDRITCH CREATURE

AND YOUR ''SWEATY FOOD'' CATEGORY

[lean lark]

suppression + oneshots on specialists

[muted pike]

Krak is neat, but shredders with +50% aoe and +50% damage... 20% chance to throw 2 at once... and 5% chance to get a nade whenever an elite dies tops the damage charts

[undone pewter]

Might need to give it a chance I usually run mk2 in high havoc

[grizzled aspen]

This is what I meant by dawn priest being insane earlier.

He cooks up these insane builds that only work because the people he's playing with allow them to work.

[normal wren]

Please dont use twinned blast

[grizzled aspen]

Then he recommends them to other people.

[hard nexus]

gambling is fun

[grizzled aspen]

Twinned blast with kraks is funny though.

[lean lark]

even if you miss the mk10 you'll still suppress any gunners near your shot

[grizzled aspen]

Scuse me, shredders.

[hard nexus]

20% of the time, i get value every time

[normal wren]

Twinned kraks are funny as hell when it happens to a boss

[lean lark]

keep yapping

[grizzled aspen]

I absolutely will inform people of your misinformation, I don't need your permission.

[lean lark]

if im misinforming people report me to the mods

its a bannable offense

[muted pike]

Look man, if grenades are your primary source of damage... thats 20% chance to double your damage

[normal wren]

Dont need it tbh

[red swift]

twinned with demo team seems great tbh

[muted pike]

Look man

[grizzled aspen]

I need to eventually make a shredder spam build.

[muted pike]

People drool over 25% crit chance melees after 5 dodges

[grizzled aspen]

That's because reciprocity is sick.

[muted pike]

But ignore 20% chance to nuke a whole room

[red swift]

Wellll

[muted pike]

Yall dont make sense

[red swift]

one is consistent the other isnt

xd

[acoustic dune]

i ganbled 800k to try to find a good bfg

it did not work

[muted pike]

Its 1 point and its not out of the way

[grizzled aspen]

I think it's funnier to give a disclaimer to what you're saying, and then letting people with logically thinking brains realize you are, in fact, crazy.

[acoustic dune]

(i need one with extremely low warp resis and defense)

[normal wren]

Its moreso I never get it to proc dammit

[grizzled aspen]

Shrimply throw more grenades, then.

[normal wren]

Clearly

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/its-shrimple-shrimp-funny-haha-meme-gif-9312733212572166512

fuck

[muted pike]

The more you spam grenades the more likely you are to profit

[vocal hatch]

@wanton fossil hey I'm on

[acoustic dune]

i just imagine something cursed

a frog in twink maid outfit

[grizzled aspen]

I think of a very different video.

[grizzled aspen]

Cease.

Immediately.

[acoustic dune]

like a literal muscle bound frog

in a tiny outfit

[vivid leaf]

Anyone got the skill tree for a book zealots?

[wanton fossil]

Sweet! Partner has the PC atm so once he finishes up the mission he’s on I’ll be on — I’ll ping you

[grizzled aspen]

Muscle bound, sure, that's an apt descriptor of me, but Im not a twink.

[vocal hatch]

@grizzled aspen id think of this person more like the gitrog monster

[acoustic dune]

this is a lie

also

have you seend my mogburster?

[grizzled aspen]

Please use the reply function man I have no idea what the context is.

[acoustic dune]

and mog hound?

i drew it yesterday

[vocal hatch]

They probably will appreciate

[muted pike]

The stupidest thing I'd ever seen in darktide

Toss 3 shredders, get 3 procs instantly, then toss 3 more shredders each of which were doubled. 9 shredders in <30secs

[vocal hatch]

@grizzled aspen the twink frog of them poking at you

[grizzled aspen]

If I get mogged by a literal undead dog I think I am going to start magdumping my boltgun into them on principle.

[grizzled aspen]

USE. THE. REPLY. FUNCTION. PLEASE.

[grizzled aspen]

YOURE ON MOBILE, JUST SWIPE LEFT ON A MESSAGE.

[drowsy steppe]

goodnight chat

[nimble fiber]

[grizzled aspen]

Hate.

You know the meme of the guy sliding towards the camera?

You should do that, but with a mutant hitting the mog face.

[acoustic dune]

sorry i dont get the refrence

[muted pike]

Feel like Psyker and Vet have the most meaningful build variety

[grizzled aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-template-virtual-insanity-rearranging-furnitures-going-to-ohio-gif-27710296

This guy. @acoustic dune

[grizzled aspen]

Draw a mutant in that pose with the mog face.

[acoustic dune]

o yeah insanity smth

ill do that but trapper

[grizzled aspen]

It's more apt to do the mutant though, because he actually grabs you.

[wanton fossil]

Mal we’ve been talking BG3 in Psyker chat for a while now

[muted pike]

Zealot feels like you should be playing a different class if youre not using tknives, and either goes crit build without book or crit build with book

[acoustic dune]

(note animating it will be hell if i dont rotroscope it)

[acoustic dune]

yeah but its body is too big

[vocal hatch]

This is what i was referring to

[drowsy steppe]

my job here is to stink up zealot chat with shadowheart 🫡

[wanton fossil]

You do your job well sir

[drowsy steppe]

all shall know the elf cutie

[acoustic dune]

I DEMAND SHORTSTACK LOVE

I DEMAND DWARF WOMEN

[grizzled aspen]

If Mal won't stop shartposting, I'm about to start Lae'zelposting.

[wanton fossil]

Dewit

[drowsy steppe]

sadly no dwarf romance in bg3

[wanton fossil]

I’ma Astarionpost

[drowsy steppe]

no ones stopping you frogman

competitive simping it is

[vocal hatch]

Frog mommy

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[grizzled aspen]

Ok I retract my statement, none of you are without sin.

[lean lark]

so you're going to witch-hunt(bannable offense) me because you think im misinforming people(bannable offense), but not report me to the mods becuse im apparently spreading misinformation.

[vocal hatch]

Gross no why

[drowsy steppe]

@wanton fossil I hate how I have horny shart stickers and theyre my most used 💀

I have to carefully navigate my cursor AWAY from those

[wanton fossil]

Look I remember where I met you

[lean lark]

i'd drop it if i were you because you'll lose the only type of socializing you can get in your life, good tidings fellow!

[grizzled aspen]

Then go report me for "witch hunting" when it's a difference of opinion. :)

[lean lark]

saying you disagree with an opinion and saying its misinformation are two very different things

[grizzled aspen]

new player asks for help
dawn drops crazy nonsense
I drop disclaimer
new player thinks about dawns nonsense for a sec and realizes it is, in fact, nonsense

[acoustic dune]

including you

twink ffrog

[grizzled aspen]

You were claiming that siphon was BIS for a while on rb, no?

[wanton fossil]

it's just how I roll man

ALSO I am online

[grizzled aspen]

Because I very vividly remember mocking you for that.

[lean lark]

new player asks for help, i give advice, you come in "yeah dawn priest sucks and his builds work because hes carried"

[vocal hatch]

Ok I'm a new player. Let's prove it

[red swift]

@lean lark What was the build

[lean lark]

no toughness gen nodes chorus mk10 relic blade flamer chorus

iirc

i swapped it to rampage leakage/wrath for pub hav40's

[grizzled aspen]

no toughness gen nodes

Madness.

[lean lark]

you dont need any on zealot if you're running chorus with 20% cdr backstab

[grizzled aspen]

Nobody in their right mind is going to look at a build and say "yup, I don't need any toughness gen."

[lean lark]

they help, they arent needed

[wanton fossil]

@vocal hatch https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1032365720438313070

[grizzled aspen]

You are only furthering my point.

That take is absolutely insane.

[ornate bone]

Hey

[lean lark]

bro what the fuck are you even on about

[ornate bone]

Any good builds , s tier wep melee and gun?

[lean lark]

do you read words or do you only imagine what others are saying

[grizzled aspen]

Choosing not to take toughness generation is insane. You are the only person that does this.

Like quite literally the only one.

Nobody with a functional brain is going to do that.

[lean lark]

check pins theres some builds there

[lean lark]

because im running chorus with backstab cdr

[ornate bone]

Where

[lean lark]

#zealot-class message

[placid fiber]

There we go, I beat the last estuary on my 2nd profile. Fighting Tubal with extremely low damage... fucking sucks. I was in that boss fight for probably 10 minutes... Sir Ryan earned his fucking keep and then some lol.

[paper pine]

I think i just negated crusher overhead with dash

Is that even possible

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[vast basin]

Yeah you get invul during dash

[grizzled aspen]

Chastise gives 100% tdr.

[placid fiber]

You count as dodging and take 100% toughness damage reduction during it

[grizzled aspen]

Also yeah you are counted as dodging.

You can have a burster pop on you without taking damage if you're moving from the chastise when it dies.

If you touch an enemy, hit an enemy, or touch geometry that makes you stop, you lose this invuln.

There is some geometry where you can glide along a wall though.

[paper pine]

So it gives:

Ability to dash, and escape hordes
Replish 50% toughness
20% attack speed increase
+25% damage +100% rendering and guaranteed crit on next hit
Invulnerable while dodging

[bitter anvil]

is that fucking bowowowow riff daemonhost?

[acoustic dune]

can you make a character from monty python the holy grail?

[normal wren]

Give oggy dodge on bull rush

[acoustic dune]

no thats the mogburster n moghound

(they are passive rizzing you)

[bitter anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1287161017205526608/s3OnVwp.gif

[grizzled aspen]

Hey look, that's my clip!

[bitter anvil]

i got sent to rizzmension

hi froggy

long time no see

[paper pine]

Is it sad to know exactly where that is

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah it's the end event in warren.

Not that hard to remember.

[acoustic dune]

i mean its a pretty well know spot

[grizzled aspen]

I think I'd be depressed if I didn't know, considering it's my clip.

[acoustic dune]

please tell me that was tintin

[grizzled aspen]

It was not, I was solo queueing.

[acoustic dune]

fuck

[grizzled aspen]

That was just a lovely gentleman by the name of John Darktide and he would not stop fucking exploding.

Outside of his luck with bursters he was actually quite good.

[placid fiber]

Well... there's only so many classes in rogue legacy 2... lemme see if I can remember them all... Knight, Barbarian, Duellist, Assassin, Ronin, Archer, Gunslinger, Mage, Astromancer, Bard, Pirate, Dragonlancer, Chef... that might be all of them. That's all I can remember, right now, anyway.

The names of your characters are randomly generated and if they were used before then they become Sir/Lady [Name + #(in roman numerals)]

like Sir Pepperoni VII

or Lady Jane III

[acoustic dune]

sadge

cant make make the black kniht from the holy grail

[placid fiber]

Welp I beat the traitor, which just leaves the king. The traitor was just a game of patience. The king is an intense fight that you want to have really good damage for or you will have a bad time... like I am going to have this attempt

[vocal hatch]

Anyone wanna join @wanton fossil and I

[placid fiber]

Yep, I got rekt. Even with double damage I was only tickling him lol

[acoustic dune]

wish that i could

doing school stuff

[hard nexus]

so

hungry…

[sullen forge]

Then eat.

[misty nova]

You gotta hit them with How Hungry

Like c'mon

[hard nexus]

no

my boss is taking us out to lunch today

so i must wait

[unreal torrent]

@vocal hatch I'll join up

[grizzled aspen]

Free food!

Lets hope its good.

[grizzled aspen]

You doing havocs today?

[sullen forge]

Working till 7

If Lumii is up then I’m down

I got demoted for some reason btw

So we have to redo 32

[hard nexus]

its longhorn steakhouse so

it’s ok

[grizzled aspen]

Agony.

[visual stream]

mfw "Indomitable" is in fact quite domitable

[hearty nebula]

I eated it all already

Noob

[thorn sable]

My wife was obsessed with rogue legacy one but never got into 2

I loved the concept — beer and pretzels roguelike with a ton of meta progression so you don’t feel devastated when getting killed — but I hate and suck at platformers 😂

[opal star]

option to ogryn automatically break free from disablers at the cost of putting their ability on cooldown

[visual stream]

That would also be a sick Indomitable buff

Ogryn doesn't need it but zealot and vet are already super strong and ogryn has its own kind of skill you need to learn for not as much payoff

May as well give our big sweaty oafs a buff or two

Would give them more of the clutch potential that the other classes have too

[twilit otter]

It would be nice if ogryn was invincible while bull charging, including not being able to get disabled

It sucks getting bursted down by a gunner or netted while charging

And give the taunt ability gold toughness to bring it on par with chorus and VoC

[opal star]

Tbh yeah, it could go for gold toughness with the whole "fight ME" thing

[lament blaze]

that's 1 of em! gimme another

[twilit otter]

Do those two things and buff magic bullets ammo return greatly and boom ogryn fixed

[lament blaze]

i think making ogryns immune to dogs would be acceptable tbh

like they huge

is a lil doggie

like they take some corruption from the bite

but no disable

[twilit otter]

Yea or give the interaction that feel no pain has which eventually pushes the dog off a core part of the ogryn kit

[tame sluice]

how much should it be though

[twilit otter]

Like you have the dog on you, but after toughness breaks or a certain amount of time the dog gets pushed off

[plucky gate]

or press F to push dog

[twilit otter]

Honestly that's a complicated answer. Gun lugger ogryn is challenging because when it's shooting its extremely powerful but when it's out of ammo it's useless

Like double it from 8 to 16%? I don't know. It's such a poorly designed capstone, but several other capstone are poorly designed as well

[tame sluice]

how about idea

give ogryn real crit chance, and actual crit on their gunlugger tree instead of a fucking 1% buff

then make burst limiter override trigger on any crit

[ornate bone]

Zealot>veteran? 🫠

[tame sluice]

like shock trooper does on vet

[lament blaze]

is was will be

[twilit otter]

Interesting idea

[ornate bone]

Hhmm

[tame sluice]

infinite ammo surgical kickback real

[ornate bone]

Means by

[lament blaze]

come to the side of light

zealot is love

[ornate bone]

Ok

[twilit otter]

Zealot is a bit easier to play because it is more survivable

[ornate bone]

Wich gun / melee y'all use?

I started

The game as a psyker

And i fucking died so much lmao

[twilit otter]

When playing chorus I use dueling sword, and stealth I use knife

Always flamer with throwing knives

[ornate bone]

Ngl i love psyker but when they behind you 2 hitted lol

So yea made zealok

[twilit otter]

Starting out I would go relic blade though it's very easy to do well

[ornate bone]

T*

[thorn sable]

I wish they’d just tone down the benefits of the gunlugger F but make the keystone way better at ammo sustain

[hearty nebula]

i have bad news
unless you can dodge it is still very easy to get your shit pushed in as a zealot

[ornate bone]

the hammer good?

[hearty nebula]

thunderhammer is good ya

well

depends on what you're focusing on for it

it's meh-ish at horde clear, it can do it, but there's better options

[thorn sable]

Anyone going down that tree just wants to shoot their damn twin link stubber constantly so FS should find a way to make that the correct and viable option without completely dumpstering team ammo avail 😂

[ornate bone]

Bonk and wep dmg

[hearty nebula]

but it's zealots easiest single-target damage option to use

[twilit otter]

The F ability is a core problem with gunlugger imo. It's a mag dump ability that's tied to a finite resource.

[ornate bone]

Fuck i want space marine

[hearty nebula]

then go get it

[ornate bone]

Why they made that gamen so high priced

[thorn sable]

No they are lame

[visual stream]

I mean that as a concept is totally fine imo

[ornate bone]

When i hear it has less gun options etc then darktide

[thorn sable]

40k would be massively cooler as a franchise if spaz marines weren’t a thing

[ornate bone]

🤦‍♂️

[tame sluice]

just replace coward culling with htis ability from vermintide 2

[normal wren]

Moreso if they werent as overused as they are

[thorn sable]

That is honestly an interesting idea

[ornate bone]

Cant argue because I have not spend my money on it lol

[twilit otter]

How so? Having an F tied to ammo? They cut ammo drops by like 90% in havoc and gunlugger was already struggling in auric

[ornate bone]

Btw

Can you change male female after creation?

Im lvl 30 dont wanna do that again on psyker

Wanna make it female

As my other classes are male

[thorn sable]

SM in lore: “there are like four for this sector”
SM in games/tabletop: “churn them mfers out with the spaz muhrine factory”

[tame sluice]

not by default but I think there's a mod for it?

[normal wren]

Yup

[ornate bone]

Cant u pay 50k and change it?

[thorn sable]

Honestly rogue trader game did csm/sm best

[normal wren]

My favorite space marine interaction was vraks

[thorn sable]

They’re rare, important and extremely dangerous but also marginal to the plot

[normal wren]

"Drops in, destroys random starport of no significance, leaves"

[twilit otter]

Considering how effective rejects are in combat they feel like space marines

[thorn sable]

The power of all natural MANFLESH

[misty nova]

You can pay Krall to change

[twilit otter]

Although I had a though, that lorewise when you die in the game your character is actually dead, and the reject that gets rescued is a new reject

So like all our rejects die eventually

[thorn sable]

I’d be down for an xcom style game like darktide

[twilit otter]

And die and die and die

[thorn sable]

But with a much heavier expectation that the rejects die and you just churn em out with minimal cost and shit gear without caring

[normal wren]

Would be a fun game, but with curre t fs design

More instaquitting

[twilit otter]

The game kinda implies that we never die, just get captured and inevitably rescued

But that doesn't really fit Canon because we would all be godlike killing machines with 50k+ kills

[normal wren]

You are impaled on spikes in some of the death screens....

[lament blaze]

i mean thats very clearly for gameplay reasons only

[stone fern]

hold on
you want a turn based warhammer game????

[lament blaze]

i think that's pretty obvious

[stone fern]

ur asking for too much....

thats never gonna happen bro

[twilit otter]

But yea, when you die you die permanently and your rescued operative is another reject. Helldivers does this very well.

[hearty nebula]

man if only there was like some sort of turn based game where you like play as the mechanicus or something... maybe a rogue trader....

https://imgur.com/gallery/9EthOoW

[lament blaze]

i think letting people visually customize their char is a good thing

[hearty nebula]

or hear me out.... a tabletop game....

[lament blaze]

like beyond their armor

[hearty nebula]

but that would never happen....

[lament blaze]

maybe with cute little figurines too...

nah thats just too much

youre right

[hearty nebula]

ikr

[twilit otter]

Who actually afford to play tabletop

[hearty nebula]

tourists apparently

(im never gonna let that guy live it down)

[ornate bone]

Are you able to swap gender in appearance ingame?

[hearty nebula]

yes

go to the barber

[misty ravine]

We actually kinda are, because there were only a few dozen Rejects to begin with and wipes never canonically happen. Its not like Helldivers where a new shithead gets thrown in, the game just tacitly says "that never really happened"

[ornate bone]

On ps5

[twilit otter]

There is a barber shop

[hearty nebula]

yes

go to the barber

it costs like 50k dockets

[ornate bone]

I can make my pskyer a girl? awesome

Ppl all said in general

I got to mod

[twilit otter]

🤦‍♂️

[frosty herald]

Rogue trader wouldve never worked as a realtime with pause game

[misty ravine]

Yes, however there is a nuance.

[ornate bone]

As?

[hearty nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/286574006348546048/1064196804742225971/D37B817C-4FE9-4CF0-A48B-3F8C55F88D73.gif

[hearty nebula]

the nuance is you pay 50k ordo dockets

that's it

nothing else

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/smadging-speech-bubble-speech-bubble-smadging-gif-26061412

[acoustic dune]

Does anyone wanna game here?

[ornate bone]

Thats not so much right

[hearty nebula]

why would i want to play GAMES in this DISCORD for a GAME

smh

[ornate bone]

Intime u get like 2 bill lol

[acoustic dune]

Because I am lonely ):

[twilit otter]

Stuck at work

[misty ravine]

The nuance is there are no attractive faces (even with access to a plastic surgeon teamed up with a psyker) and no decent haircuts

[acoustic dune]

Damn

[twilit otter]

Trolling

[acoustic dune]

Trolled so hard I am cry cry

[hearty nebula]

idk i'd say my zealot looks pretty handsome.....

[twilit otter]

My next troll... fury of the faithful is fundamentally inferior to shroudfield

[acoustic dune]

Eh

[normal wren]

True, shroudfield makes enemies not hit you

[acoustic dune]

You should have said loner is the best aura

[normal wren]

So much better than just run faster

[normal wren]

It gives me toughness bro

[misty ravine]

Bait has to be believable

[acoustic dune]

Just doge

[normal wren]

Martyrs purpose is a must take node

[acoustic dune]

Stinky

[twilit otter]

Fury of the field gap closes, gives toughness, and next hit a critical. Shroudfield can do all of those things plus many other things, like save players or do objectives

[misty ravine]

Shroudfield and Infiltrate are weaksauce as they don't let you run through enemies like Shade

[hearty nebula]

the lad... without his helmet for once

[normal wren]

They should

[frosty herald]

Abelard's uncle

[hearty nebula]

what's an abelard

[lament blaze]

stealth is for cowards

so

shroud gets a huge nerf there

[twilit otter]

It's so damn trivial to save downed players and clutch with stealth

[hearty nebula]

fotf also gives you a 10% dps increase via attack spead for

10 seconds

lol

and grants i-frames

[lament blaze]

20% attack speed

[hearty nebula]

20%

yeah

whatever

[hard nexus]

i think it’s cool having us be SM+ level

[lament blaze]

its additive with other attack speed so its not quite +20%

but its not far off

[hearty nebula]

20% is still massive

[twilit otter]

Ok fair enough. Does that oughweigh the extra benifits of shroudfield?

[hearty nebula]

yes

[acoustic dune]

Meow could I leech of you to get havoc 40?

[hearty nebula]

because shroudfield's other benefits are entirely situational

[lament blaze]

having 2 charges i think is huge

[acoustic dune]

I wanna get cool cosmetic

[lament blaze]

the 2 charges is absolutely sick

[acoustic dune]

And free stuff

[hearty nebula]

you are basically benefitting from FOTF all the time if you have proper CDR

[twilit otter]

How so

[lament blaze]

if you take piety you can have the AS boost up a lot of the time

[normal wren]

Its pretty much always off cooldown

[lament blaze]

well. invoc

[twilit otter]

Same for shroudfield...

[lament blaze]

but piety helps more invoc

[normal wren]

Buy I like stealth

[plucky gate]

I miss the aspd and the toughness replenish whenever i play shroud

[normal wren]

But I like the vet stealth more

[hearty nebula]

fotf only has 30s cooldown

[normal wren]

Because cloaker vision

[hearty nebula]

and if you are getting enough CDR it's easy to get the cooldown of fotf to like

20s

or some shit

has almost no downtime

[lament blaze]

even faster

tbh

[plucky gate]

you can get it down to 10s with crit cdr

[hearty nebula]

yeah