zealot-class

[mighty root]

They fell off because of corruption

[hexed igloo]

Irl

[mighty root]

[hexed igloo]

Got a huge tentacle in place of my dick tho so thats pretty cool

[mighty root]

Hope they make getting grims and scrips more worthwhile

[hexed igloo]

I use that to strangle crushers

[hard nexus]

it should really just be CDR dependent on how much health you have remaining

[mighty root]

Fear and hunger 2 woodsman

[hard nexus]

to a max of like 200% total (15s cooldown for chastise)

[hexed igloo]

I wish they'd just make grims give less fucking corruption it's just not worth it to take them when you just get oneshot

[red swift]

analyze -> headshot

[quaint fable]

I'd probably be fine with a number adjustment
as an idea it fits the whole (maybe) lack of self-preservation theme the path as a whole has

It's just executed to such a small degree that it's mostly unnoticable

[normal wren]

Put them in havok

[mighty root]

Real

[placid fiber]

grims and tomes actually contributed to what type of chest you got in vt2 at least

[hexed igloo]

With a door that must be opened via placing the grims into pedestals

[mighty root]

I still need to do that grim penance

[muted pike]

Melees
God tier - Dueling Sword (Mk4)

S - Relic Blade, Devil's Claw (Mk4 and Mk7), Crusher, Combat Axe (Rashad Mk3)

A - Combat Axe (Antax and Achlys), Chain Axe (Mk4 > Mk12)

B - Heavy Sword (Mk9 the best), Chainsword (Mk13 the best), Eviscerator, Taxes, Thunder Hammer (Crucis the goat)

C - Shock Maul

Updated

[mighty root]

I’ll just run a sedtion and speedrun with it

[hexed igloo]

This is the most L tier list I've ever seen

[red swift]

where knife :c

[muted pike]

Oh shit, no knife

[normal wren]

Knife goes in the god tier

[hexed igloo]

S - whatever you like to use
F - dueling sword, meta crutch, skill issue

[placid fiber]

bro put achlys on the same tier as antax lol

[mighty root]

Knife is s tier

[quaint fable]

Why isn't eviscerator in high a or even low s?
It fulfills the same purpose relic blade does, just with a single use special

[muted pike]

Its above everything in B

[normal wren]

Crucis should be at least a

[placid fiber]

is it tho?

[normal wren]

Evisc should be at least a

[hexed igloo]

Blawg made the worst tierlist ever witnessed

[red swift]

I agree with the tier list mostly tbh, but I think mk13 Chainsword should be above Rashad. People don't realize how strong it is.

[muted pike]

Doodoo cleave and doodoo mobility. 2 major doodoos = no A for you

[placid fiber]

what about the achlys caxe being the same tier as the antax caxe? lol

[mighty root]

He’s right

[normal wren]

Crusher has doodoo mobility and doodoo boss damage so b

[mighty root]

Sadly

[hexed igloo]

He's wrong, evis is God tier just because it's a huge chainsword

[red swift]

achlys is usable people just shit on it without using it.

[remote lark]

mk13 chainsword being in B is objectively wrong
putting taxe at the same level as thunderhammer is also objectively wrong

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[remote lark]

mk13 chainsword is one of the most broken weapons zealot has

[red swift]

Crusher has huge finesse bonus, with piety it has good boss damage

[violet hornet]

imagine thinking achlys caxe is better than a taxe

[remote lark]

taxe is also really, really strong

[placid fiber]

useable... yeah... a lot of weapons are useable >.>

[remote lark]

people just drool over caxe

and compare it to rashad, which is busted

[normal wren]

Does it, gotta look it up

[mighty root]

Taxe is alright but underwhelming

[jagged cradle]

Why do you have to be good at the game

[remote lark]

taxe is the best 'mid' weapon in the game

and ill die on that hill

[mighty root]

It’s just mid

[jagged cradle]

You don’t know what you’re talking about

[remote lark]

fyre you put crit perks on your axes

you dont get an opinion on whats good

[jagged cradle]

It’s a great weapon

[muted pike]

Taxe is awesome, safe af. Has prob the best blessings in the game of all melees. I clutched a game with it earlier.

My issue with it is doodoo armor damage

[remote lark]

before i say anything

can u post ur taxe build

i want to know why you're saying doodoo armor damage when it can kill a crusher in a couple seconds

[mighty root]

Ok

[remote lark]

also some people don't realize this but taxe's special staggers every enemy in the game

including crushers

[placid fiber]

cough chaos spawn COUGH

[jagged cradle]

This is why console players are lower class

[muted pike]

Well wait a moment, are you sacrificing horde clear or elite clear?

[jagged cradle]

Fyre is dragging the reputation through the dirt

[remote lark]

neither?

its horde clear is amazing

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de1ec3a-48df-4683-801c-c73c7ccf4c23/taxe-crackhead

[pale spindle]

Hello Zealot chat

[remote lark]

hello noobka

[misty nova]

Achlys combat axe? Yeah no

[muted pike]

So you go Shred + Bro?

[copper hawk]

S - DS4, DS5, Knife, Rashad

A - Relic, Chord 13g, Crusher, HS 9, Crucis THammer

B - HS 7, TAxe 4 and 7, DClaws, Chaxe 4, Ironhelm

C - Everything else

[pale spindle]

How are my favorite tac axe users?

[copper hawk]

If I had 2 do it

[pale spindle]

Ur mom is everything else

[sterile basalt]

No way crusher is C

[copper hawk]

For normal auric gameplay

Oh 4got the crusher

Crusher is A

[remote lark]

yes theres 0 contest

shred + IJ beats headtaker + bro on piety

[normal wren]

A-mk3/7 shovel
F-all other weapons

[copper hawk]

Somewhere under Chord 13

Mby right b4 it

[pale spindle]

Bro?

[quaint fable]

how would you feel about ranged weapons?

[remote lark]

putting taxe below chs and thammer is an absolute crime

[pale spindle]

1v1 me bro

[muted pike]

Thammer is slow as hell, has doodoo mobility, and cleaves like swinging giant pool noodle.

[pale spindle]

Sigh

[placid fiber]

brutal momentum...? lol

[jagged cradle]

Would you really put ds2 in c

[remote lark]

pew pew

[pale spindle]

Where is the o?

[placid fiber]

bromentum

[copper hawk]

Crucis kills bosses good

[pale spindle]

[remote lark]

[copper hawk]

Chord 13g does everything good except armor

[pale spindle]

I thought it was HT Shred tho on tac axe

[placid fiber]

BRutal mOmentum @pale spindle

[remote lark]

tbf it still kills cara better than most weapons

[copper hawk]

Highest dps on chaff

[remote lark]

u can straight up ignore cara enemies with mk13 and eventually they'll just get cleaved to death

[pale spindle]

Just say BM wtf

[mighty root]

Why are you obsessed with me

[remote lark]

no

bromentum

[jagged cradle]

Why do you take it so personally

[muted pike]

Devils Claw is goated. I will not back down from that one

[pale spindle]

Chainsword is still shred+wrath correct?

[remote lark]

s tier

[placid fiber]

as soon as bro was used with a taxe it eliminated every other blessing besides brutal momentum lol

[remote lark]

BRutal mOMENTUM

bromentum

[jagged cradle]

Bm

[remote lark]

bromentum.

[jagged cradle]

That simple

[remote lark]

kills u

[quaint fable]

devil's claw is also great
probably the best starter weapon to have and the parry is great if you've mastered it
I wouldn't use it, but I'd definitely understand if someone else would.

[placid fiber]

:3

[muted pike]

The thing is

[remote lark]

i said it louder

[misty nova]

Oh so it's a cleave/mobility tier list

Got it

[copper hawk]

Id put like taxe 7 and 2 like

Around A or B

[pale spindle]

Ur mom

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-emperors-groove-new-nuh-uhh-gif-5927868

[copper hawk]

Cuz of crusher damage

And fun factor

[remote lark]

4 IS LITERALLY BETTER THAN 7

[muted pike]

No.

[remote lark]

MOLD

[copper hawk]

Ur mold

I use whatever cole uses

[remote lark]

[placid fiber]

Didn't know u were into 70 year old women

[copper hawk]

Bring it up w cole

[remote lark]

im gonna kill cole and wear his skin

[copper hawk]

Oh and dclaw

[remote lark]

mk7 has an overhead in its rotation that isn't as good as mk4's moveset for horde clear

[copper hawk]

Dclaw is a b lol

High b low a

[muted pike]

Do you kill hordes?
Mixed hordes?
Armor?
Are you slow af?

Most weapons are doodoo in atleast 1 thing

[normal wren]

Low a makes sense

[copper hawk]

I think I miss my armored damage

Id say taxe is higher than dclaw tbh

The crusher killtime w a crit build taxe is yummers

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[remote lark]

dclaw is better in havoc trhough cause of its broken movement

[copper hawk]

If u aim for heads

[remote lark]

if i remember correctly

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/do-re-mi-deer-drop-of-golden-sun-a-name-i-call-myself-long-long-way-to-run-gif-16408237

[copper hawk]

Dont even need a chastise

[sterile stone]

Just lost a 46 hunter because my teammates rushed into a building vs guys with bows and shredders

I'm gonna puke at the stupidity

[muted pike]

Dclaw is safe as hell, cleaves like a mofo, and dunks on EVERYTHING with its thicc parries.

It is an anti-everything weapon. It'd go straight to god tier if it killed armor with its overhead and wasn't reliant on parry to do so

[misty nova]

The Crusher does all of that

And you put it below the dclaw

You really need to review your tier list

[muted pike]

Which is why I rate Crusher so highly. I got them on same tier.

That said, Crusher has signif worse mobility than Dclaw (it has so much damn stagger tho so its safe)

[mighty root]

Dclaw was my main weapon on zealot up until the crafting update

Only thing I hate is it’s carapace damage but the parry helps with that

[misty nova]

You really need to review your list

[gray ice]

At least you didn't camp for 20 mins to get shiddon anyway

[remote lark]

music

[sterile stone]

Yeah

[remote lark]

never post a tier list here

[sterile stone]

But I'm dying to people sitting in corners with bows

[remote lark]

you'll cause a 2 hour autistic meltdown

[sterile stone]

Because my team doesn't fucking check corners

[remote lark]

of the entire chat

[muted pike]

Nah this was only like 5-15mins of civilized chat

[quaint fable]

Compared to some other platforms, maybe

Also, was there a vermintide server before this?

[remote lark]

thats only because your tier list wasn't entirely wrong

[ornate bone]

SO happy i quit smoking 5 weeks ago, now i smell like a flower 🌷instead of like a cigarette butt 🚬

[remote lark]

the last time i saw someone post a terrible one

it went on for like an HOUR

[vivid leaf]

I still smoke🥲

[stone fern]

you should start smoking ecigs

they dont smell

[red swift]

I could post the theoretically most meta/strong build ever known to Darktide and this chat would find something to shit on.

[vivid leaf]

Lmaooo🤣

[remote lark]

would that build have ability regen on it

[red swift]

Yes it would because that's the best curio perlk

now shush

[muted pike]

Taxes are great though, that was def hardest to place. I'll likely move it up

[remote lark]

kills u

[quaint fable]

cool
maybe you can start killing the enemies of mankind? we could really use the smell of flowers here

[remote lark]

actually maybe you'd know

does ability regen stack additively

hrup

[mighty root]

I hope they update the store to where we can view everything in the commodores

[red swift]

it's not a defensive perk so yes

It's additive

[ornate bone]

Maybe, but i just played havoc and my teammates left mid-mission, so now i'm TILTED

[mighty root]

Yeah that sucks

[quaint fable]

i can't say i'm surprised

[mighty root]

If that happens you shouldn’t get demoted

[muted pike]

I'm not a fan of nerfs, but DS needs one. All marks. The mobility is stupid

[mighty root]

And they should be penalized

[quaint fable]

I'm having a little more of a problem just finding havoc matches to begin with, because i'm at a low havoc level and am not exactly confident in higher ratings

[muted pike]

DS should have same mobility as tac axe

[mighty root]

I think the mk 5 is fine ngl it’s just goofy

[vivid leaf]

I’m gonna be working on my zealot gotta get him to max

[mighty root]

Feel like if it’s nerfed no one will use it

[remote lark]

isn't mk2 the ds version that dorn shills over

curious why everyone says its worse

[mighty root]

It’s just the mk 4 with a ad clear combo

[copper hawk]

I use the 5

When i want 2 be quirky

[light badge]

@copper hawk i said this in Dorn server and I wanted to tell u here too

[copper hawk]

Cuz it shmooves

[copper hawk]

Wut up

[light badge]

I genuinely enjoy your presence

[copper hawk]

Whaddagloop ,,

[remote lark]

now kith

[misty nova]

MK2 has the strong stab and the better horde h2

[muted pike]

DS just has wayyyyyyyy overtuned mobility

[copper hawk]

Thanks Handa :3

[mighty root]

You use the mk 2 like you would the mk 4 dc

[misty nova]

MK2 is the best one

[copper hawk]

I genuinely enjoy ur presence too !!

[light badge]

I cannot imagine the horrendous amount of cooties I would contract

[copper hawk]

I missed it !! U were a ton of fun 2 play w

[red swift]

Just make heavy attacking and sliding not be faster and cost less stamina than sprinting

[light badge]

No offense cica

[copper hawk]

And ur rlly funny :3

[remote lark]

the funniest part about dueling sword to me

is that it has the exact same range as knife

[red swift]

and tone down stab attack

[remote lark]

knife range is the same as duelings word

[copper hawk]

Cica lore

Dont wrry handa

[remote lark]

[copper hawk]

Ive never kissed

Evar ,,

Nevar evar ,,

[muted pike]

Yall see the sprint speed on the DS???? Do yall see it????

[light badge]

I should buy you a Sergeant Morrow body pillow

[mighty root]

Yeah but look at the knife

[light badge]

So you can get kissing practice

[copper hawk]

Im sorry we dont play very much

It's my fault rlly

Ive been meaning to ask but im just straight up super shy

[light badge]

Don't apologize for that, dipshit

[jagged cradle]

We should all play together

[copper hawk]

This goes 4 a lot of ppl

Wire included

[quaint fable]

in teams of four?

[copper hawk]

Im a shy glooper

In teams of snore

Snraaaa

[light badge]

I'm gonna glomp u

[copper hawk]

Mimimi

[jagged cradle]

Glomp ?

[remote lark]

exact same btw

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[remote lark]

0.8 sprint speed

[copper hawk]

Noh i already have 3 blahaj

[mighty root]

Yeah

[copper hawk]

Wtff..

Intruder..

[light badge]

@copper hawk i go back to collij tomorrow. I'll ping u first and foremost if I wanna toys

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-james-franco-liz-lemon-30rock-take-a-bow-gif-21961875

[copper hawk]

Okay :3

[mighty root]

Though the knife can go faster

[copper hawk]

Ty ,,

[remote lark]

lame-aze...

[copper hawk]

For the compliment :3 and the kindness

I know how hard it can say it

[jagged cradle]

So wholesome zealot chat

[copper hawk]

I really appreciate it

[mighty root]

Well kinda

[copper hawk]

And I rlly appreciate u too Handa :3

[mighty root]

Ds had tech to use for speed

[modern lintel]

forces me to redownload and reinvigorate my rabid warthunder addiction smh

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[muted pike]

Aight.

The tac axe is the gold standard for what a lightweight, mobility weapon should be and do

[mighty root]

How it feels to od on speed stims

[muted pike]

DS and Knife could learn from tac axe

[remote lark]

can one hit stagger all non boss enemies in the game

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[jagged cradle]

Don’t worry about I’m super shy too i understand

[copper hawk]

No cap rejects

[remote lark]

i did a legitimate double take

[remote lark]

cause i didn't recognize the estus flask

[vivid leaf]

Who wanna help yah boy get his zealot to 30😎

[copper hawk]

[modern lintel]

i wonder what next fatfish update js going to be

[remote lark]

new fatshark update: all plasma users are banned forever

[remote lark]

spam fail twins skip

you'll get to 30 in like an hour

maybe two

[red swift]

Plasma uncharghed attack was shadow nerfed no?

[remote lark]

define solo

[copper hawk]

Yah

[red swift]

It's pretty in line now and encourages you to charge it

fun weapon

[vivid leaf]

Lmaoooo

[copper hawk]

Cleave reduced I think

[remote lark]

mk

[mighty root]

I wish the taxe had a bit more carapace but tbh I may just be to used to the knife

[modern lintel]

no vet psword

[mighty root]

And precog

[hexed igloo]

I hate New er players coming to the ds3 subreddit and calling the estus "crimson tears flask"

[remote lark]

i just take bolter with it

[red swift]

True solo knife is the way for sure

[remote lark]

any real problems get solved

[quaint fable]

maybe balance changes, new weapons, definitely havoc/party finder changes, and a (more relevant) purpose for diamantine. Also, private games will be available solo

[red swift]

bleed knife especially

[hexed igloo]

Fuck your crimson tears we drink sunnyd in this bitch

[red swift]

what do you run?

[mighty root]

SPIT HARDER 🗣️

[mighty root]

Well yeah that just solves any problem you have

[remote lark]

you uh

solo havoc 40?

[mighty root]

Where leaderboard

[red swift]

vet is impressive

[quaint fable]

Can you send us a video of any of your successful runs?

[hexed igloo]

Pics or it didn't happen

[remote lark]

lol

[red swift]

bleed uncanny flamer knife zealot is the only way for me lol

[vivid leaf]

+43?

[hexed igloo]

@mighty root you fw bloodborne?

[misty nova]

Dorn is clearly not a vet player

[red swift]

flamer has no target cap so it's def better imo

but bolter is the second best for sure

[mighty root]

I’ve tried precog and repoist on vet but I just always go back to mercy killer uncanny

[mighty root]

Not yet I want to badly

[red swift]

I heavy fuck with bloodborne

[mighty root]

There is a way to get it on pc though

[red swift]

Fromsoft still hasnt replicated the weapon philosophy of bloodborne and I dont understand why

yeah ibolter does, thats why I use it in team play

[hexed igloo]

@mighty root emulation is now working exceedingly well if you're interested, if you ping me later when I get home I can link you everything you'll need

[red swift]

instant sprayage

[lean lark]

they need to have flashy over the top anime looks

[mighty root]

Nightreing might have it

[lean lark]

like they did for the dlc

[red swift]

yeah we'll see

also I would like that link lol

Ive heard of bb on pc

[mighty root]

Fr? Thank you man

[red swift]

havent looked into it though

[mighty root]

Really excited for deflecting in elden ring

Sekiro is my favorite fromsoft game

[jagged cradle]

I mean I highly doubt

It

[hexed igloo]

@red swift in its current state, I'm now at vicar amelia/hemwick, with 0 performance issues, and the only bug I've encountered is the top hat turning bright pink randomly

[mighty root]

Pink hat

[quaint fable]

i'd link gen chat, but if you're really trying to solo havoc 40 on every class, you probably have enough zealotry (for this game) to be classified as a... zealot. no offense

[mighty root]

Yeah I thought they may try to do something like that cemetery shade weapon

[hexed igloo]

Forewarning though you cannot edit your face lmao it breaks everything

[mighty root]

[hexed igloo]

Vertex explosions are still a prevalent issue, and the only way to fix it is to just disable the char customization

[red swift]

I feel like Psyekr would be easier than vet

maybe

[mighty root]

Venting and purg should solve a lot of problems

[red swift]

Would Surge not be a good choice

[jagged cradle]

That’s the best you’re getting if that it’s not even the same developers there’s no way they’ll go through that extra effort goober

[mighty root]

Real

[modern lintel]

what 4

[red swift]

true solo

[mighty root]

One can dream

[soft roost]

is this still the better relic blade build or have people found a better set up

[mighty root]

Like wise ass dog

[copper hawk]

Noooob

[remote lark]

my pin is the best one

[plush estuary]

ehhh

[red swift]

No its not lol

[remote lark]

mk10 light attacks

[plush estuary]

not really

[modern lintel]

is this actually playing or just speedrunning it

[remote lark]

noone else has any supporting evidence other than 'ermmm'

[mighty root]

Really hope the next from soft game is a new franchise

[red swift]

actually playing no stealth

[merry flume]

it sucks

[remote lark]

u suck

[soft roost]

lmao okay ill try out Paws

[jagged cradle]

Your dreams are strange

And bumpy weird

[modern lintel]

still think voc could carry you further then psyker for solo

[mighty root]

[red swift]

IJ sort of has anti syngergy with bigger high stagger weapons, you can't get dodge procs as often to keep good uptime on IJ in my experience

[frosty herald]

no lol

[misty nova]

Ermmn
You don't have evidence to support that we don't
Ah whatever forget it

[red swift]

Crusher and Relic especially

[modern lintel]

shredder is op

[wind dagger]

because a lot of people crutch on things like shields and sorceries and ashes to play souls games. bloodborne doesn't have a huge following outside of souls diehards

[mighty root]

Esoteric and schizophrenic

[remote lark]

unless you can provide an yevidence at all

ur opinion is worthless to me

[red swift]

swap TWBS if you want

[jagged cradle]

Neurologically challenged more like it

[frosty herald]

post havoc rank coward

you still havent done it

[remote lark]

i dont have friends who play havoc so i've only queued it like 3 times

perks of working to 2am every night

[frosty herald]

Littld bottom

[mighty root]

Trauma is good but purg would work a lot better

[modern lintel]

wall shield might not be absolutely horrible for solo blocking off gunners and such

[red swift]

Dude there is no way you were shitting on people not being havoc 40

and ur not havoc 40

[lean lark]

shut up about havoc

[red swift]

what??

[lean lark]

you got carried hard

[mighty root]

Tbh I like having both on my havoc team

[frosty herald]

dorn ainz cole

[remote lark]

but no

i did h40

[red swift]

Here's another relic blade build I like to use. less DPS though, easier to live

[frosty herald]

and numerous other people bleh

[remote lark]

however when i did lower havocs i got deranked at week end

so im not playing until they fix that

[normal wren]

Ah so then you just post the havoc forget title

[mighty root]

I don’t care for the rewards I just want the penances done

[normal wren]

I need the diamantine

[remote lark]

although i don't really know if it counts

i did it with dorn

not pubs

oh wait no we failed that one

i think i still have the clip somewhere

i was malding for DAYS

[red swift]

More crit means more 50% DR uptime and scourge stacks, I value that more. You can spam charge for atk speed.

[mighty root]

I did need it before but no longer

[red swift]

I think the crit is better

[normal wren]

I have like 40 weapons to max

[remote lark]

anyway @red swift @frosty herald i'm waiting

🎙️

[red swift]

I said why its bad

[remote lark]

i didn't see

what did u say

[merry flume]

no, you suck

[remote lark]

[frosty herald]

Mk2 has a better moveset

[remote lark]

no it doesn't

🚬

explain your statement

[jagged cradle]

What about me

[normal wren]

You suck, I suck, we all suck

[frosty herald]

And can loop into overhead vanguards

[copper hawk]

Mmm so derankful

[remote lark]

hi wire

[red swift]

IoD is meta now so IJ needs to spend an extra talent point. Also with heavier, high stagger weapons like Crusher and Relic Blade you can't proc dodges as much, so keeping uptime on IJ stacks is harder and less consistent

also MK2 is the goat

[modern lintel]

p much what i run to i just get sustained assault to try and make diet slaughterer since i run it w wraith and cranial

[jagged cradle]

Hai hai !

[mighty root]

I eat sand

[quaint fable]

I guess it's a matter of how much we suck or what we suck

[jagged cradle]

Exactly my point…

[remote lark]

i'm confused

my build doesn't say to take IJ

so why are you talking about the downsides of ij

[red swift]

Oh that's cool. I prefer to go martyr when I drop the top 2 talenst though

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/sand-roblox-es2-eatsand-eat-sand-2-gif-15059591329165741255

[red swift]

Oh its updated

[remote lark]

you didn't even look at my build and you're calling it bad?

why do i even bother..

[red swift]

ok that build has ij

so idk

[remote lark]

one second

[red swift]

and no IoD

so idk

[remote lark]

#zealot-class message

?

[copper hawk]

Dont even pawther..

[remote lark]

[red swift]

.

[copper hawk]

🐾

[remote lark]

oooh that one

what would you take on mk2 then?

i don't play it since mk10's horde clear is better

[red swift]

what i linked

[fleet zealot]

Side eye

[modern lintel]

mk2 is the real choice

[red swift]

Mk2 better xd

[mighty root]

The dog

[modern lintel]

mk2 push attk mulches hordes

[remote lark]

why scourge when relic blade can't stack scourge

[red swift]

Your charge, and puncture bolter

[copper hawk]

Cant use this no ff no sustained assault

[remote lark]

its inconsistent regardless of which mark you use

even with fotf or whatever

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-tyler1-blackout-death-dead-gif-21228696

[mighty root]

I’ve asked this question before where would that point go

[red swift]

Nah it's better, espeically on bosses

and if you have a shield ogryn, even better

Also that chorus build is bad

[remote lark]

i mean i guess it has situational use but i tested it extensively and it just gets dropped after a few swings

[red swift]

Really bad uptime on IoD going left side, and no innate crit weapon

[remote lark]

you'l almost never max it

[red swift]

That's useless

[hard nexus]

id swap purge, anoint, and disdain for sustained assault

same damage more consistently, also lets u decide to drop good balance for faithful frenzy if u want

[normal wren]

Btw why are you running stalwart and not fury rising

[copper hawk]

Tdr

[past sierra]

id use unyielding damage and flak instead of carapace for bolter and replacing puncture with cavalcade

[remote lark]

it has almost 100% uptime.

[red swift]

Not with the left side node and no crit you're not

[normal wren]

I see

[red swift]

Flamer needs purge and annoint

the DoT damage is insane

[modern lintel]

monstro and occasional ogryn

[copper hawk]

Sustained assualt my beloved

Assault

[jagged cradle]

And who are you the zealot police

[remote lark]

as odd as it is to say, i think you'd get more value out of blood redemption than a little extra crit "sometimes"

[frozen crystal]

!!!! Az is back

[remote lark]

scourge just sucks on relic blade

but br is also so bad

[mighty root]

Tbh I’ve dropped twbs for good balance

[remote lark]

in havoc scouge is really nice though

[hard nexus]

huh

[remote lark]

it st acks nicely

[modern lintel]

the crits only their to help boost fotf

[red swift]

I see relic blade left side piety on my team and I know they're going to be useless outside of the occasional chorus

[remote lark]

stalwart alone gets you full uptime on it

[past sierra]

getting stunned feels a new feeling

[red swift]

If you're going to be a chorus bot atleast do it right

[modern lintel]

iv still not ran relic chorus but the idea of non fotf relic sounds like CBT

[red swift]

Also any build that doesn't have IoD isn't the "best build"

[mighty root]

Yeah

[lean lark]

its really not

[mighty root]

I thought why am I putting myself in this position to gets stunned?

Then I took it off

[lean lark]

relic blade lets you stand your ground due to lots dmg lots cleave, plus you can just stab qq stab qq for movement if you really need to

[mighty root]

Because I’m not a silly billy

[red swift]

twbs feels great but it's not needed even on heavy weapons now that gunners are nerfed

[mighty root]

It is good with knife

[red swift]

but the toughness stagger can cuck you for sure

[remote lark]

anyway

just to prove a point

i recorded something for you hrup

[red swift]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dcdfc23-370d-4f2d-b642-c1630c5d5965/martyrdom-relic-blade-havoc Btw run martyrdom on Relic Blade, it's fun as hell

[mighty root]

I like it when I run the knife

[remote lark]

let me know if you need it to be longer <3

[red swift]

dont heart me you furry

[remote lark]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jpVOqOo7C4T4ByFf3?invite=cr-MSxGQ1gsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA

[jagged cradle]

Cica I call upon thee

[remote lark]

stalwart 100% uptime on invoc

[red swift]

You're hitting a horde in psykhanium

oh my days

[remote lark]

doesn't matter

you said it doesn't have uptime

and it does

[red swift]

Yes it does man

The uptime is significantly worse than right side

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[remote lark]

no, it's not.

[copper hawk]

Yah i noticed the same thing

[red swift]

getting it stacked takes longer, espeically without charge

[remote lark]

as long as you have piety up, you have full uptime

[copper hawk]

IoD doesnt stack, it refreshes

And it lasts forever

[remote lark]

yup

[red swift]

then you have to fiend for crits with less crit chance

[copper hawk]

U crit b4 u drop IoD

[remote lark]

so many people don't understand how IOD works

[copper hawk]

Even w/o scourge

[remote lark]

and it's getting annoying at this point

i feel lik we need a pin on it

[copper hawk]

I was initially skeptical of Lumii's chorus relic build

[remote lark]

for.. instances like this

[red swift]

Like hititng horde in pshyk proves nothing

[lament blaze]

i feel like fatshark should do their job

[copper hawk]

But I actually tried it for a few matches

[remote lark]

hrup

[normal wren]

What is iod

[remote lark]

go play a stalwart game

[copper hawk]

And I measured it against my crit weapon

[remote lark]

and when ur hitting a horde of enemies

[red swift]

I've played every build

[remote lark]

tell me if u drop invoc

[red swift]

its less uptime

[copper hawk]

Chorus build

That being chord 13g

[remote lark]

you're wrong and that's okay

[copper hawk]

And the uptime was the same

[red swift]

You're left click botting a horde bro

[remote lark]

you also take horrible curio and swear by them but you do you

[lean lark]

you want twbs if you dont like getting objectives interrupted because of incompetent teammates and/or movespeed

[red swift]

this guy says CDR on curio is bad btw

crazy

[remote lark]

i did all of my intial tests in aurics

💅

[lean lark]

i'd take twbs on every "heavy" melee without any doubt

[red swift]

Idk why he's allowed to pin

[remote lark]

maybe because i'm better than you

[jagged cradle]

What’s your opinion on hunt showdown

[remote lark]

stabs u

[copper hawk]

I dont rlly like dr on my curios

I think I miss my +15 hp..

[jagged cradle]

Rude

[past sierra]

twbs still good
things like flames from flamers still can stun you
And useful for not getting interrupted when doing minigames

but with the new changes can be dropped in few builds

[copper hawk]

I use 5 hp 5 tness 5 gun resist

Especially in havic

Havoc

Mmm i looove gunner lasers

[vague depot]

wdym 5 gun res

[copper hawk]

Om nom nom

Oh srry

[vague depot]

how

[copper hawk]

3 gun resis

[vague depot]

oh

[red swift]

I do 3 cdr, 2 tough, 2 stam, 2 gunner res on standard builds

for havoc atleast

[copper hawk]

Need tness need hp need gunner resis

If it works it works I guess

[vague depot]

i do 2 tough 1 stam and substats are all toughness stam regen and gun res

[modern lintel]

when r u on iv still not played w tiny noobling

[copper hawk]

I love the logic of

Erm just dont get hit

[lean lark]

imo cdr is only needed for abilities with naturally long cd's like chorus or stealth dmg node (in zealot's case)

[red swift]

Ermmmmmmm just don't proc cheat death bro

[copper hawk]

I need 2 start saying it more

[red swift]

ermmmmmmmmmm

[normal wren]

I found gunner resist does nothing for me like I dont feel it at all at high havoks

[copper hawk]

Oh yes

Stalkers and gunners

Especially if it's gloriana lmfao

[modern lintel]

real

[red swift]

Bulwarks and silent poxbursters are the worst in havoc for me

[copper hawk]

One stalker does 100 tness and like half ur hp in two hursts

Bursts*

[gleaming kelp]

Just don't even boot the game

[red swift]

bulwarks with increased stagger res and instantly resetting shield is ridiculous

[normal wren]

John cena is pretty annoying too

[lean lark]

i had a reaper kill 2/4 of my teammates in under a minute

i do not like reapers in havoc

[copper hawk]

Same

Or gunner lines

[vague depot]

ough

[copper hawk]

Especially cuz second wind and gunners

[modern lintel]

reapers are actual game enders

[red swift]

Reapers are why I swapped to Bolter. Easy suppression, never going back

[copper hawk]

At least u can dodge a stalker and get some tness back

[plucky gate]

true but gunners aren't irrelevant and there isn't a stalker resist so

[copper hawk]

Flamer suppresses too !!

[vague depot]

im never getting the reaper dodge penance lmao

its so over

[red swift]

flamer isnt instant

[copper hawk]

Flamer is my all around go to wpn in hav now

[modern lintel]

me when i run stripped down and duck and dive

[red swift]

Have you tried left click spamming flamer? It has stronger stagger

[copper hawk]

Melt entire swathes of the most troublesome enemies at once

[red swift]

Saves ammo it's pretty nive

[copper hawk]

Reapers and bullies

In a squad sized element ?

[normal wren]

And rungun

[copper hawk]

No longer

[normal wren]

That was the most fun I had in havok

[copper hawk]

2/3rds or 1/2 a tank. All gone

[normal wren]

Sprinting to dodge gunfire while shooting back

[copper hawk]

No anoint or purge needed

[red swift]

well you should take those on flamer

like

please

:c

[remote lark]

[From Kuli's steam guide on Zealot]

Invoc is a buff that essentially increases the cooldown speed of your ability for 4 seconds on crit.
It does not stack, and reapplications of it simply refresh the 4 second timer.

This is why many IJ builds also take Invoc despite the point cost if they have access to some form of crit.
It's very strong and can have permanent uptime in hordes even with "low" sources of crit such as left side piety, or a good scourge weapon.

[red swift]

Just test it in the psyk, see the damage difference

[copper hawk]

I sacrifice too much for two perks

[vague depot]

how well does sustained assault work with thammer

[copper hawk]

For one weapon I use less than 5 times a havoc

[lean lark]

its whatever

[modern lintel]

double barrel should get stripped down

[copper hawk]

Sustained is good for everything

[normal wren]

Yes

[vague depot]

fair enough

[copper hawk]

If u have the points take it

Uh oh

[remote lark]

ty gawain

[copper hawk]

Hrup rn

[red swift]

Bro

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-bateman-gif-27617182

[modern lintel]

flamer hands down best choice for havok

[red swift]

The build relies on getting a horde all to yourself and horde botting and nothing else

it's bad

and flawed

[remote lark]

horde clear weapon

good at hordes

[red swift]

Everything weapon

[copper hawk]

Havic is like

All hordes lol

[remote lark]

its ok cica

[red swift]

It's mixed

[copper hawk]

Im literally swimming in moebian enemies

[remote lark]

for once im not going to argue

[copper hawk]

Like

[remote lark]

[copper hawk]

Knee deep in the mauler moebian pack

[modern lintel]

whats even the argument rn i forgor

[red swift]

He shits on every build that isn't his own, then pins garbage

and says cdr is bad

[remote lark]

apparently invoc is bad with left side piety which makes my whole build bad

[copper hawk]

Cdr on curios

[red swift]

flamed a guy in psyker chat for saying he likes stealth martyrdom

[copper hawk]

Not in general

It all started over iod

[red swift]

The arguement is left side piety is bad

[copper hawk]

This is meaningless tbh

[modern lintel]

ill be real everytime iv built piety iv not once gone down left side

[remote lark]

i dont like cdr on curio

[copper hawk]

Ur both unwilling to concede 2 eachother

U wasties ur breath

[modern lintel]

b tier at best

[remote lark]

the point of taking piety with relic is not because u want max crit uptime

[copper hawk]

Every1 here is generally experienced

We wont change our ways

[opal star]

what the

[remote lark]

you take it because you want enduring uptime and invoc uptime

left side is just extra tdr cause you don't need right side for literally anything

[red swift]

enduring has better uptime on right side xdd

[remote lark]

relic mk10 isn't crit dependant for bps

both sides ahve permanet uptime, hrup

[copper hawk]

I use relic instead of my shred wpn w chorus now in havoc

Cuz of paw

It's so lovely

[remote lark]

i'm not entirely sure you understand the concept of 'refreshing buffs'

[modern lintel]

whats enduring again

[red swift]

You take longer to get it stacked in between fights

[copper hawk]

Tons of reduction for killing

[remote lark]

50% tdr on crit

[modern lintel]

oh yea goated

[red swift]

and can't always get consistent crits on a non charge build

= more downtime

[copper hawk]

Doesn't it have a long ass lingering time too

[remote lark]

yeah its op

[vague depot]

whats paw

[copper hawk]

U crit again before it's up

[copper hawk]

@remote lark

I say try it like I did

For like

[modern lintel]

vet still gets like equal or more tdr without having to jump through all these hoops

[copper hawk]

5 matches

And now I use paw's build

[remote lark]

and honestly it's not like right side piety is bad @red swift
your point is not unfounded and im not calling u stupid for it cause i do get it

but saying stalwart is bad just because you dont stack it up as quickly is pointless.
The weapon doesn't swing fast enough for fury rising to do anything truly meaningful, and stalwart for alot of players is going to be more consistent

[copper hawk]

Everything dies

Never ending tness tdr and golden tness

[hexed igloo]

Use my build 4 beers 2 ibuprofen

[remote lark]

My guide is not for like the top 1% of players that will never get hit, its the absolute most optimizd setup i could come up with for the average player

because in an ideal world we never need tdr because we never get hit

but that's just not the case

[red swift]

the average player wont have much of an impact with that tbh

but whatever

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

What about

[remote lark]

no

just stalwart

[placid fiber]

^

[copper hawk]

4 shots, one of Hennessey 3 of crown royal

[hexed igloo]

Could go for 5 beers if you want to minmax

[copper hawk]

2 twisted teas

And 5 melatonin

[red swift]

no one here take 10% crit aura idk why

[placid fiber]

2% more toughness from every source and 25% tdr while piety is up, right?

[remote lark]

#zealot-class message
he's calling this trash @gritty flume

[hexed igloo]

You forgot the car keys

[red swift]

I take it with my gunspyker friend

[copper hawk]

Cuz i dont get to benefit from it

That's why i dont take it

[red swift]

lol I know

[copper hawk]

And i miss something important

Like

Ff or sustained

GB or SW/EF

[modern lintel]

so i think im misunderstanding maybe invocation is it not just the more you crit the faster ur ability comes back? and would right side not be the move 4 that

[copper hawk]

I think i miss my required talents

[remote lark]

read the new pin

invoc is a buff that really just makes ur cooldown go down faster, as if time was sped up

[copper hawk]

It's a flat rate

[remote lark]

as long as u have 100% uptime on the 4s buff

[copper hawk]

It doesnt stack

[placid fiber]

doesn't it also give 2% toughness every time you restore toughness as well?

[copper hawk]

That was old IoD

[remote lark]

unless theres hidden fatshark math i haven't heard of that

[copper hawk]

You refresh the cdr every time you crit

You crit before the time is up generally w 15% crit

[modern lintel]

so it has a cooldown now basically

[remote lark]

it specifically hits clean breakpoints on relic blade

but that option has value too

[copper hawk]

Not a cooldown

[plucky gate]

no it's 2% every time you refresh the buff
not in the description
so basically any kill done by the team

[copper hawk]

It just refreshes

[remote lark]

i just value my own play more than my (usually useless teammates) getting 10% crit

[copper hawk]

It starts over every time you crit

It doesnt have an internal cooldown

[placid fiber]

ah, this is what I was trying to talk about @remote lark

[copper hawk]

It reduces ult time for 4 seconds on crit

[remote lark]

yeah i find its light spam for horde clear and other stuff much more consistent

[plucky gate]

the description doesn't mention the 2% on buff refresh for stalwart because fatshark hates u

[copper hawk]

At 15% crit chance u should crit again b4 it's done

Which is what lumii demonstrated

[remote lark]

wait, what?

[copper hawk]

So u can double dip

In tdr and w crits

[remote lark]

yeah its really really not hard to get full uptime on enduring and invoc

[unborn depot]

Every time I build around helping my teammates, I end up queueing into the three most brain damaged people on planet earth. It's like magic, really

[copper hawk]

[remote lark]

[plucky gate]

yeah just try it in psykanium
very easy to test with creature spawner

[plush estuary]

This isnt a team based game

[copper hawk]

Just make ur own brain dead 4 stack it's easier that way

[plucky gate]

not many people know about that stalwart mechanic. I've seen it mentioned like 3 times ever

[modern lintel]

i wouldnt think only 15% on relic would be enough to keep constant uptime on fotf but ill try it when i get home

[placid fiber]

It's a right of passage, as it were

[remote lark]

wow, you're right

[acoustic dune]

i think its more about noticing

[copper hawk]

Inwas gonna ping my braindead oomfs

[frosty herald]

i noticed there are no assassination missions in havoc

[copper hawk]

But they're gone..

[unborn depot]

The most fun way to play this game is by running heresy missions with friends who know nothing about the game or 40k in general

[acoustic dune]

pub teamates are just smth else

[remote lark]

i always get shit on cause i say i play with some old friends who only play malice and heresy

but its also the most fun i have in this god forsaken game

cause im not opening up scoreboard every 0.5s to make sure i have 10 morbillion more kills than my teammates

we just play

[lean lark]

heres what you do. you replace the "helping your teammates" part with "helping your teammates, by killing everything and keeping yourself alive"

problem solved

[remote lark]

my whole argument for the team thing is

if i kill things more betterer, my teammates will die less

[copper hawk]

Tf2 mastered it..

[remote lark]

[placid fiber]

the main times I look at the scoreboads during a run is to see how much damage I've taken and how many disablers I've killed

[copper hawk]

Knew ppl were innately selfish..

Designed game that by bein selfish u actually help other ppl..

[unborn depot]

"My team can't get ganked by disablers if there are no disablers!"

[lean lark]

exactly

[remote lark]

basically

[normal wren]

I play mostly malice and heresy to turn my brain off and vibe

With some sub30s

[lean lark]

my best zealot build so far is definitely the mk6 hsword bolter one

[remote lark]

why hsword?

[lean lark]

money printer

[remote lark]

i could never get behind it

felt.. weird

[lean lark]

oneshots everything, crushers included (with fotf)

just spam heavies and weakspot hits

[red swift]

I only play havoc now tbh

[lean lark]

its literally braindead

you can kill 7 enemies with hsword

it has innate bm for 2 targets on heavies, +5 with deathblow

[remote lark]

post build?

[lean lark]

one sec

what

did they nerf it

[remote lark]

i smell fyre..

[mighty root]

Yeah hsword is amazing

[normal wren]

Wow thats alotta killing

[lean lark]

i can vividly recall oneshotting 7 elites at once with hsword mk6

specifically dreg shotgunners

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-swing-gif-23620053

[remote lark]

noobstone..

[misty nova]

Something something old bro mentum

[placid fiber]

Woo, time to go pick up my check and get lunch as well while I'm at it

[remote lark]

wait i have a question

does uncanny do anything for flame nades or tk

that would be funny

[red swift]

yes

[remote lark]

anything noticable*

yeah i know, i mean does it do something cool or is it useless damage on flame nades

[modern lintel]

ogryn shovel deleting 80 crushers in one swing

[placid fiber]

eh, could be colder...

[mighty root]

Should

[remote lark]

im gonna throw one at a crusher and see if it does something funny

[mighty root]

Like uncanny and soul blaze

[placid fiber]

a potato?

https://tenor.com/view/potato-laugh-kepala-ubi-gif-1769729172946268170

[red swift]

I had an Ogryn leave my havoc game today

When he saw I wasn't a chorus bot

"Chorus?"

then leaves

[normal wren]

Had a psyker who just left

[red swift]

His mental can't handle doing a high havoc without book

it's insane

[remote lark]

no uncanny

[mighty root]

[normal wren]

Did you bonk a mauler first to get stacks?

[mighty root]

Havoc addict

[lean lark]

yeah its this

should play this again havent done it since relic blade got added

[remote lark]

flame nade w uncanny stacked

wow

[normal wren]

Jesus chroist

[sullen forge]

77 whole damage...

really hurts...

[remote lark]

per tick

[normal wren]

Instead of 8

[plucky gate]

is that how much health it had left after an entire flame nade with uncanny?

[remote lark]

my tk just twoshot a crusher cause it crit

lmfao

[remote lark]

yes

flame nade with uncanny up does like a third of their hp

wtf?

it just straight up kills maulers

100-0

ah wait they take flak damage

from nade

it almost kills them anyway

[plucky gate]

yeah i kinda assumed they died without uncanny

[lean lark]

immo has really high base damage so any sort of rending makes it kill a lot of armored elites

[plucky gate]

Do scab ragers take cara or flak damage from immo? I know other dots deal damage as if they were flak

[lean lark]

flak dmg

if you go in psykh it says cara but it deals flak dmg

[remote lark]

it says they're taking carapace but i dont thin kthey are

its doing alot of dmg

[heady rapids]

yeah they 100% arent

fatshark moment

[plucky gate]

wow that cara chest for them is so pointless

[remote lark]

[heady rapids]

we had a talk about that the other day

[lean lark]

nah it has a point

[plucky gate]

i guess they just did it to punish lazy aim with viag

[heady rapids]

dots are supposed to target centre mass

but uhh

[lean lark]

focus target exe stance db vet cant kill 4 scab ragers with a bodyshot anymore

ruined my build

[remote lark]

[plucky gate]

oh right, shotgunner users

lmao

[opal star]

mostly to discourage poor aim

[sullen forge]

A good vet is a nerfed vet

🚬

Gut that fucking class

[lean lark]

the vraks mk3 build in question

[fleet zealot]

That implies there are good veterans!

[lean lark]

that hasnt been nerfed in a very long time

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-the-gif-21707741

[opal star]

I try to be a good vet :(

[sullen forge]

You play vet

you're a shitter

🚬

[lean lark]

all it takes to be a good vet is just

aim and be aware of sorroundings

very bottom barrel requirements

[slate haven]

Martyrdom thunderhammer is unbelievably fun

[remote lark]

nade is here.....

[slate haven]

Yayuh

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/trepang2-gif-13632318415311074297

[lean lark]

a little bit of unyielding dmg

i should reoptimize this

hahah

[slate haven]

I had a true survivor zealot in my lobby yesterday using the columnus

And got damn

Gonna have to pick it back up

[red swift]

why are so many videos frozen for me on disc

[slate haven]

Would y’all say this is valid for thunderhammer?

[red swift]

I'd say dump the top 3 talents for IoD

Charge gets too much value even without crit weapon

just full crank the melee minmax

[slate haven]

LoD?

[red swift]

bottom left 3 talents

CDR on crit

[slate haven]

Oh that’s I

my b lol