zealot-class

[vague depot]

If you are the only one left do you even bother trying to flank for the weak spot or do you just shoot anywhere until you run out of ammo

[runic grotto]

pogryn is easiest

[river jackal]

Pogryn has more knock off potential

Which is like the only thing it has going for it but yeah

[modern lintel]

if ur noob permayhaps

[river jackal]

I have seen people in my 40s get sent flying lol

[modern lintel]

prob wont be able to get backshot in tbh

[modern lintel]

me when block exist

[river jackal]

Eh, it happens

[vague depot]

Alright so do I keep a safe distance and shoot away or do I try to bait the vomit and slowly stab at it

[river jackal]

You should be able to kite around it pretty easily

Just chip it away in melee imo

[vague depot]

Got it

So keep a safe distance and prioritize the horde, then once it’s alone try to run circles around it for the weakspot?

[river jackal]

It moves very slowly so you do have the option of just

Outmanouvering it all the way to the teammates res

And just manage horde

[vague depot]

Alright lmao

[river jackal]

Depends how far away teammates spawn

If they're like, over a checkpoint away probably not

But if they're like

3 rooms down

I'd just go get em personally

[vague depot]

If there’s a giant ass horde on me and I’m near a elevator/checkpoint would it be better to fight them right away or enter the checkpoint and fight them in the next area

[river jackal]

Depends on your access to chokepoints

If you have a good area where you are I'd use that

But if it's like, a super open area and you know area after elevator is better, I'd take it

Are we assuming you're solo in that scenario or with team?

If you're with team 99% of the time I'll engage the horde before we take elevator

Only exception is if the spot is awful like the one on Vigil Station

[modern lintel]

also depends on what elevator and door as some will have stuff already spawning on the other side ontop of a whole horde will be problematic

[river jackal]

Vigil Station is kinda like that but

You're kinda damned if you do and damned if you don't on that section

[vague depot]

Alright

[river jackal]

More cover upstairs so I generally take that

@vague depot in short, every question in Darktide when it comes to optimal play can be answered with "It depends"

[remote lark]

"knife range is short"

• general chat

[river jackal]

Mfw Knife is a longsword

💀

[compact lichen]

Could you compare the range to DS?

just for visualisation

[remote lark]

sure let me hop on zealot

[compact lichen]

thank you

[remote lark]

for context i was specifically replying to the person who said 'u have kiss them' with knife

one moment

wait

its actually the same range

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[grizzled aspen]

You know you can ping enemies to see the distance instead of trying to measure with the floor, right?

[remote lark]

i just got home from work

can u like

die

[grizzled aspen]

I am here to be a nuisance specifically to you.

:3

[remote lark]

as always

[jagged cradle]

Can you like do it the proper way

[remote lark]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-your-mouth-czernobog-american-gods-shut-up-silence-gif-18698861

[grizzled aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/typh-speech-bubble-female-gif-5761936360828680229

[vague depot]

Fair enough

[vague depot]

I can’t load images rn what’s the comparison

[grizzled aspen]

Knife and ds4 have the same distance for attacks.

[vague depot]

wtf lmao

What does knife do better than ds besides having a fast movetech

[grizzled aspen]

Absolutely nothing.

:)

[vague depot]

That’s crazy

[grizzled aspen]

Ds5 is actually better for movement than knife when it comes to dodges.

Because it has both mob and def for dodge distance.

[remote lark]

ds is literally knife with a different moveset and blessings / adm

functionally

[plush estuary]

No bleed on ds

😔

[compact lichen]

I just retested

[remote lark]

i personally just enjoy knife more, it's faster hitting and i don't really like how it feels

[compact lichen]

DS does have more range... kind of

[plush estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1323830479694204938/image.png?ex=677893b5&is=67774235&hm=2e2d2fe3ce667b402409b7a1ac575125f4e2f4ac5cf21d8aa27c482fa25235a3&

[compact lichen]

Knife CAN hit at the same range as the DS but less attack will hit

[remote lark]

its hitbox differences

[compact lichen]

some attacks just have more reach

yee

[remote lark]

for all intents and purposes though it has the same range which is think is like

hilarious

[compact lichen]

Some swings have smaller reach so while yes they technically have same range

[remote lark]

fencing weapon in a long range fencing stance

vs knife held in backhand

fatshark..

[compact lichen]

Oh right

the heavys are backhanded stabs

nvm none of them reach at the same range

only light attacks hit like twice at the same range

[grizzled aspen]

The only forward handed grip stab that knife has is that one light poke.

[copper hawk]

[grizzled aspen]

Oh right that.

@remote lark freak. 🫵

[compact lichen]

Aight so the heavies on the DS can hit at 3m

knife heaviess at 2m

[copper hawk]

oh my god

[modern lintel]

what is this being

[copper hawk]

this smite psyker has 8,900 damage

had*

3veg

[copper hawk]

[modern lintel]

freaky little creature

[copper hawk]

this doesnt make sense

he had 9 kills

but he was there the whole match

,,

[compact lichen]

did he DC at any point?

[grizzled aspen]

Freaky emote.

[remote lark]

there's no way

pls post scoreboard

plsss

[copper hawk]

i dont think so

i like this old hood too..

u can see the hair peakin out a bit,,

[modern lintel]

doesnt look as homeless tho

[copper hawk]

troo

kennelless kbitty

[remote lark]

can i see it with eyepatch

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-fearsome-hiss-spit-fluff-gif-27025955

srry i turned game off

[modern lintel]

why eye patch when bionics exist smh

[remote lark]

cuz homeless ppl cant afford bionics

[modern lintel]

maybe theyll stole it then what

[copper hawk]

Anywho

Blahaj cuddle time

Goo ni lil freakz

https://tenor.com/view/blahaj-hug-comfort-gift-give-gif-27459482

[jagged cradle]

I don’t like the hood imo

[frosty herald]

F word

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-girl-catgirl-blahaj-hug-gif-10900378387399269448

[misty portal]

what mod are you using for the patterns?

[copper hawk]

For the Drip

For the Drip extras

[drowsy steppe]

gn

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-lips-mouth-gif-27059321

[jagged cradle]

Cica I’m scared

[misty portal]

https://tenor.com/view/meatball-gif-10184800409887700197

[modern lintel]

tox bomber on his way to ruin my day

[umbral kindle]

SPREAD NURGLE'S TRUTH

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-fart-fart-gun-go-my-fart-dr-nefario-gif-1842537250670913175

[zealous basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1293705152846368788/nikolovescement_1280p_20241009_162043_1-ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[pallid hemlock]

First game in a long while and I forget how long the relic blade is

Refreshing

[spare talon]

guys its so pitiful

its honestly really disappointing how limiting the engine is in terms of spawn capacity

because you can easily break the entire director by just progressing without killing things

[mystic cliff]

I remember someone sent this gif but it was able to crash discord

[spare talon]

i literally just did a solo h40 speedrun to see how much easier it was compared to my actual attempts to solo where i actually kill everything

it took 13 minutes with the same build

[solar gorge]

Your pc would explode if that wasn't the case

[spare talon]

without stealth

[mighty mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/unspeakable-violence-unspeakable-violence-gif-25206571

[solar gorge]

getting rid of undesired speedrun tactics when it's a whole squad is easy

but for the whole true solo thing

it's modded so whatever

[tame sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/blahaj-gif-27048745

[spare talon]

but you can just have a group of 4 doing the exact same thing

and speedrun it

[solar gorge]

that's what i meant by undesired

if the whole group is on in it

[twin wagon]

Cole no

[solar gorge]

idk what you can do against it aside from drastically nerfing movement

[twin wagon]

Cole has been enlightened by the handmaiden gang

[spare talon]

wdym

[solar gorge]

and that wouldn't work out because it would affect the normal non-deranged

[spare talon]

idk but me personally

the elitist in me really really fucking hates when a speedrun is shown off as a true solo

[twin wagon]

Eventually everyone in tide games arrives to the same conclusion, handmaiden/speed is broken overpowered because autodesk stingray can't deal with it

[solar gorge]

it's not elitist

there's nothing going on

[spare talon]

oh ive speedran before
its fun sometimes
but its not the same thing as playing it normally

[twin wagon]

Therefore, you've been enlightened by the HANDMAIDEN and are now cursed to see the game for what it is

[remote lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079236212239384597/1324344560335327332/image.png?ex=6778783c&is=677726bc&hm=4aec1693fae0e94231811322b8d1bc5f7e42d474f486ace71ca8a3d0955cddcb&
i would kill to figure out why quick chat isn't working
Or if the mods just dead

[spare talon]

it is infinitely easier

[remote lark]

[spare talon]

because everything breaks

[twin wagon]

quick chat?

[solar gorge]

it's like beating the entirety of ER with summons and magic and titling the video "hardcore gamer max diff destroying elden ring"

[remote lark]

the mod, quick chat

its broken

[stone fern]

that has nothing to do with spawn capacity its just how the engine thinks you're gonna progress if you go too fast it shits itself

[twin wagon]

what does it do

[remote lark]

...

lets you use quick chat

and customize it

[spare talon]

yes and no

[twin wagon]

And what is that

[remote lark]

go away

[spare talon]

it breaks event spawns, and the capacity makes it impossible for preset spawns to happen

[twin wagon]

Bark seriously the fuck is a quick chat, don't we use for the emperor to communicate?

[remote lark]

quick chat is what for the emperor edits

[twin wagon]

So, what does the mod do that the wheel doesn't?

[stone fern]

do you mean how many enemies the game can support at once or the amount it actually decides

[spare talon]

yeah but the difference is that everyone who plays those games can easily tell theyre lying
in darktide the vast majority of players dont know the spawns can break like that

so they think that the person is a hardcore gamer but their keyboard just looks like this

[solar gorge]

I mean surely they notice

when the dude is fighting nothing and just running

[stone fern]

not that many put some do notice

[twin wagon]

Don't worry cole, eventually people will be enlightened and call out "true solo" speedruns for what they are

Like in vt2

[delicate shadow]

tbf the "solution" in VT2 was the addition of boss walls but those just slow you down as opposed to preventing you from speedrunning per se

[stone fern]

ive had people actually say say hoard where or elites where when nothing spawns in an event

[delicate shadow]

it's definitely a lot worse in DT because you can sprint and slide n shit

[solar gorge]

anyway, true solo looks cool but it's a 4 player coop game so i shall call it brainrot either way

[twin wagon]

And corner boost and MOBILITY MUTANT!

Even mobility barrel

[frosty herald]

Playing with friends is indeed more fun

[twin wagon]

I disagree

[solar gorge]

it's just how it was intended

[tame sluice]

beast of nurgle taxi through the entire level

[stone fern]

nah mobility is a bigger part of darktide i need to be able to dodge bosses and move around in the map

[solar gorge]

praise the game designers

[twin wagon]

I prefer to play with bots

They are reliably bad

[stone fern]

at the very least if they wanna add boss walls make it forward facing only not backwards

[delicate shadow]

they've...never been backwards

why would anyone give a shit if you speedrun in reverse lol

[stone fern]

idk i dont play vt2

[solar gorge]

fix speerunning by making every mission an escort mission where you have to escort a morbidly obese noble thru the whole map

[stone fern]

i have like 2 hours in the game before i got mad at how slow levelling up is

[spare talon]

https://youtu.be/aUla3YgUHjs

[delicate shadow]

ah, yea the levelling experience is a massive filter

it used to be way worse in the past too

[modern lintel]

operation save brunt

[delicate shadow]

all my irl mates burnt out on levelling and didn't get into it

[solar gorge]

brunt isn't obese he's well built

[frosty herald]

Dotnl bragging about speedrunning havoc and then calling it too easy

Ohh i have a very fun mission idea

[modern lintel]

the scabs ate his legs

[stone fern]

fatshark needs to make actual tutorials for their games and speed up levelling a bit

[delicate shadow]

I mean that's how Dot has literally always been, he does the same in verm

[frosty herald]

2 people need to press a button at the same time

[stone fern]

what if you are trying to clutch

and your team dies

[frosty herald]

Rescues are at the button event

[solar gorge]

my friends who I made play tide games always just play the first 2 difficulties and go like : "Ok we've seen everything time to move on"

[stone fern]

imagine if smelter complex had that it would not be doable

[spare talon]

you realize you can just have a team of speedrunners right

ive done that before

[modern lintel]

real

[stone fern]

also

[spare talon]

speedran sycorax with a group of 4 zealots hoovering up all the mats on the map

[stone fern]

elevators REQUIRE all living teammates

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/shush-gif-25417907

[tame sluice]

I think reverse speedruns could be pretty fun to learn cool jumps

[solar gorge]

"it just gets repetitive from now on launches league of legends"

[tame sluice]

like smelter complex

[stone fern]

damnation HSTG

[tame sluice]

you can actually get back up from the final event of the mission if you're using a weapon that doesn't have bad dodge range

[stone fern]

even pubs can speed run

its not that hard lil bro

[modern lintel]

we might have the same friends

[spare talon]

erm my h40 true solo was faster so i must be so much better

[delicate shadow]

Tide players the only MFs who think finishing fast is a good thing

[spare talon]

ok back to actual h40 attemps

[modern lintel]

except mines tries to do the master chief collection w all skulls for billionth time

[spare talon]

actually killing everything (taking 8x as long)

[stone fern]

i finished first so i won

[solar gorge]

ok they're a bit better

[spare talon]

i wouldnt know anyway

[stone fern]

just won 3 times during this entire convo

[mighty mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-kiss-suck-girl-gif-5525710854024677285

[spare talon]

incan how does it feel to know that you got me into the playtest cuz you thought i was gay only for me to actually be straight (complete nonsense i made up)

[stone fern]

i am gay too

[solar gorge]

his homosexuality is undeniable

[drowsy steppe]

same

[modern lintel]

we know

[solar gorge]

I can be whatever I'm needed to be if it's for the playtest (i don't have time to playtest)

[stone fern]

i love being gay, i wish i could do something so queercoded with my free time~~~

[spare talon]

i puked

[drowsy steppe]

elf jumpscare 😱

[stone fern]

like playtesting darktide~~~~

[stone fern]

ok patient zero

[modern lintel]

gnomes did it better

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-chompski-hl2-l4d2-gmod-gif-6416566021240970185

[spare talon]

i was having a really smooth run then my dumbass FATFINGERED THE SPACE BAR

and i JUMPED INSTEAD OF DODGING A SHOTGUNNER

costing me my ENTIRE HEALTHBAR

[lean lark]

not escaping the "all playtesters are dogshit" allegations sorry bro

[remote lark]

third game ever playing vet

i actually like it

fuck it feels clunky though

[uneven galleon]

Mpreg Connoisseur

[remote lark]

that guy was decent

look at his damage taken

[uneven galleon]

for a zealot that's a wowie

I get like 200-300 average

Like

[remote lark]

to be fair he was playing flamer and +9 stamina knife

nothing got close

[uneven galleon]

Cyra build fr

[remote lark]

i can't justify playing more than +6

darktide is so bullshit sometimes..

[uneven galleon]

I've only seen like

vermintide veterans play +6 stamina

Or

9 stamina

And then complain they get one-shotted

[remote lark]

ppl who run +9 and dont get hit scare me

[uneven galleon]

Another proud moment from yesterday

[remote lark]

you took 808 damage

[uneven galleon]

That's Auden

I'm Tae-Kioon

[remote lark]

their name is highlighted

:(

[uneven galleon]

I got it off of his screenshot

[remote lark]

:(((

[uneven galleon]

Get baited

[grizzled aspen]

It's clunky because you're trying to aim your db.

Stop aiming it.

[remote lark]

i'm not aiming it

[grizzled aspen]

Just swap and blast.

[frosty herald]

Explode

[remote lark]

im mogging u on my 3rd game ever on vet

die

[limber sparrow]

I need to work on avoiding damage on my ogryn. I don't normally play him

[frosty herald]

I hope you get into a 50 year long dispute over a rock in the ocean

[grizzled aspen]

Did you clip the sniper executing me?

[remote lark]

i did

one second

[grizzled aspen]

That was hilarious.

"Oh I'll just get Lumii out of this ne-"

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jpIVBR0FaXugp70Sv?invite=cr-MSxkVzUsMjY5OTA3MzMzLA

I also did this to Lumii because funny.

[frosty herald]

Can we publically execute frog

[grizzled aspen]

What did I do to you, noobato?

[frosty herald]

Be evil

Be malicious

[grizzled aspen]

I've always been evil and malicious though...

[frosty herald]

Be venomous

Be serpentine

Be insidious

[grizzled aspen]

Idk about being a snake.

I aint a liar.

[remote lark]

so before i post this clip

i just want to say

this is some bullshit

and with that being said

[grizzled aspen]

Oh I dodged that net.

:)

[remote lark]

u didn't dodge anything

i killed the mutie u didn't dodge

killing myself to save u

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jpK4S41o9C1iFr3p4?invite=cr-MSxIclIsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA

observe

[grizzled aspen]

Erm, explode?

[remote lark]

i did

[grizzled aspen]

OH YOU DID

HAHAHA

[frosty herald]

2 noobs dying

[grizzled aspen]

The execution of Frog.

[remote lark]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-reach-shoot-running-head-shot-gif-15119623940367628319

💀

[stone fern]

why do you have a text filter?

[limber sparrow]

ow, I was wondering what happened there

[remote lark]

idk i guess i enver turned it off

[stone fern]

turn it off rn i wanna be able to call you slurs in game

[grizzled aspen]

I'm waiting for Tin to edit an image for me so I can more effectively bully you.

[uneven galleon]

Damn, hard to watch

tis a literal execution 😭 :

[delicate shadow]

the only straight tester 😔

[spare talon]

i successfully deceived you

[undone pewter]

Are gay people better testers

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-dont-talk-close-mouth-grab-lips-mad-family-gif-21732788

[remote lark]

taxe 4 out horde clearing relic blade and soyker with gs

i will DIE on the hill that its criminally underrated

[stone fern]

i am not clickmaxxing enough to make taxe work

[lean lark]

theres autoclick mods on nexus

just use that

[modern lintel]

me when im a noob

[grizzled aspen]

Don't mention the damage taken...

🙄

[uneven galleon]

Tacaxe my beloved

[delicate shadow]

damage taken doesn't matter so long as you're not dying/hogging all the healing

[twin wagon]

I disagree because I am a vt2 elitist

If you ahve over x damage, u shoudln'0t play!

[limber sparrow]

where can I pull the stat screen mod from?

[frosty herald]

Either scoreboard or power DI

[neat grove]

but me taking that damage prevents my teammates from taking it

[grizzled aspen]

Both the times Lumii got downed were in fucking terrible spots.

However, I am Him, so I saved him both times.

[frosty herald]

dies

[delicate shadow]

see he's giving you purpose

that's a good teammate

[remote lark]

i'm madder than i've been in a while

i CANNOT FUCKING STAND THESE LOBOTOMITE PLAYERS

INFESTING MY GAMES

[grizzled aspen]

My purpose is to roleplay as a lawnmower.

[remote lark]

aquino i have a question for you

a very serious one

[grizzled aspen]

Relic blade go brrrrr.

[remote lark]

if you have 10hp, and you pick up a med stim with NO enemies around you.. do you:
A. Use it
B. Don't use it, Stealth for no reason, run in front of your teammate and almost push a burster on him, panic pull out a flamer while surrounded by chaff, and finally die like the dog you are

my brain HEMMORAGED

[grizzled aspen]

I am resisting correcting you.

[stone fern]

C. use Ammo crate freakout then die

[remote lark]

WRONG

DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!

MY TEAMMATE CHOSE 🇧

HERES ANOTHER ONE, CLAD

[stone fern]

quick question does this count as 2 crashouts or one extended crashout for lumii?

[grizzled aspen]

I would say an extended one.

[remote lark]

frog and i are revivable in the next room, a few seconds sprint away! Do you:
A. Revive them
B. Dick around in the current room chasing and missing 5 chaff pathetically for 30 seconds until a wave spawns and you get turned into paste because you're a pathetic worm

[grizzled aspen]

But also a valid one.

[remote lark]

WHICH DO YOU DO CLAD

[grizzled aspen]

I'm also seething about the individual he is angry about.

Stealth aggro dumpers enrage me like no others can.

[remote lark]

DING DING DING DING DING DING THEY CHOSE FUCKING B AGAIN

[stone fern]

C. i light spam one chaff mob with a ds4 and throw immo grenades at the crushers

[remote lark]

WRONG

YOU DIE LIKE A DOG LIKE THEY DID

SPEAKING OF DOGS

[grizzled aspen]

Well he would still die like a dog.

[remote lark]

YOU JUST WATCH FROG GET DOGGED. DO YOU:
A. KILL THE DOG
B. LOOK AT HIM AND RUN AWAY, LEAVING HIM TO DIE FOR NO REASON

[grizzled aspen]

Clad would not survive that Gloriana director.

[remote lark]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[gray ice]

ayyy you free this weekend

for some havoc grinding

[grizzled aspen]

Actually you did this to me in the Gloriana we just did and the psyker saved me.

[remote lark]

i did that on purpose

[gray ice]

break is about to end and then it's back to the lab for me

[grizzled aspen]

Rude!

[remote lark]

it was less funny after the director started murdering us and then that guy did it out of incompetence

speaking of

that is straight up

the hardest gloriana i've ever tried

holy fuck

just for us not to wipe in the first event i had to run out and burn my until death just to desperately tk like 7 gunners and a sniper

[grizzled aspen]

The director really said "Oh, Lumii just saved you from a mutant? Have another." and then threw me into a daemonhost.

[remote lark]

right at the end

[twin wagon]

I mean u got bark in ur team

of course director gonna go hard

[grizzled aspen]

Yall probably should not have tried to save me from that dh.

[remote lark]

i mean we did

until that fucking loser killed you

[grizzled aspen]

Oh right also.

Got barreled four times.

Like in that one little section there right before the drop down.

[remote lark]

wasn't me

[delicate shadow]

B, obviously

[remote lark]

just like my teammates !!!

WOW !! !!!! !

[grizzled aspen]

Lumii has nothing to do with the director deciding to snort a line.

[delicate shadow]

yea I should be around

[twin wagon]

Barks doing

[remote lark]

if i ever

EVER

QUEUE INTO EITHER OF THOSE TWO AGAIN

it's on sight

[grizzled aspen]

Now that I'm thinking about it, Lumii, what servers do you usually play on?

[undone pewter]

I'm guessing your block list is full

[remote lark]

i think usE

no

i dont block people

i just pray i queue into them again so i can kill them with barrels

[grizzled aspen]

That's interesting, we queued US East all day.

[twin wagon]

Just note them down

[undone pewter]

You would never queue with them again if you blocked them

[twin wagon]

in a steam notebook

[remote lark]

that defeats the purpose of wanting to murder them, bjh

[grizzled aspen]

You don't understand, Lumii likes to torture people.

[merry flume]

death note

[grizzled aspen]

Like how I tknifed a burster on him earlier.

[undone pewter]

I'm learning so much.

[remote lark]

if i queue into a trash lobotomite that cost us the last game

i will make sure the ydont live to see the end of the next one

woopsie doopsie

[grizzled aspen]

Lumii, I think you need to go vent your anger into something constructive.

[remote lark]

can't throw my games if you're DEAD

[gray ice]

have you tried breathing

hee

hoo

[remote lark]

kills u

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/masters-of-the-universe-skeletor-mot-u-gif-23595861

[remote lark]

anyway

[remote lark]

rant over

im reposting this

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jpK4S41o9C1iFr3p4?invite=cr-MSxSM3UsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA

[grizzled aspen]

We were laughing our asses off about that one.

[stone fern]

deserved for being a knife user

[grizzled aspen]

I actually had to remember my push to talk button for that.

[gray ice]

snipers have been on the jfk training routine

[remote lark]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-reach-shoot-running-head-shot-gif-16967340

frog

[gray ice]

i got shit on the millisecond i stepped out the other day cuz it was tracking me thru wall

the scream in my mind

[grizzled aspen]

:3

[stone fern]

also yeah pubs are legit worse now

even less people are doing shit in game just running around

spent 4-6 minutes yesterday kiting an entire armor hoard then a BoN while my team did jack shit for the entire time because they were too scared to move past a DH

[remote lark]

btw @grizzled aspen

idk if u noticed in the clip

the snipers laser was invisible

for like a solid second

u got noscoped

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah I've commented on this several times but stopped bothering to because every time I do Para decides to be a dickhead and act like they don't actually do that.

[clever swan]

silent bursters, invisible snipers...what's next?

[delicate shadow]

teleporting trappers

[muted pike]

I severely underrated the Devils Claw

[delicate shadow]

parry goes brrr

[grizzled aspen]

It is definitely a fun weapon but the flak adm is still abysmal.

[grave cypress]

didnt know you could get up here

were just waiting for the guy that went AFK for 20 minutes to get kicked

[muted pike]

That is a thing of the past

[subtle kite]

Which is the better relic blade variant for h40, II or X?

[delicate shadow]

it's preference, really

I like the X more

[sterile stone]

MOOOOM

The dog got on the roof again

[grave cypress]

you can just straight up walk ontop of the valkyrie its pretty cool

[delicate shadow]

voids the warranty tho

[muted pike]

I'm putting Devils Claw all the way up in S tier

Only the mk7 tho

The mk1 and 4 are in B

[delicate shadow]

the mk7 is the most fun dclaw by far anyway

[grave cypress]

Devils Claw is great, plus one of the few weapns that gives you the magic number of 5 dodges over the usual 4

(and not being a baby knife)

[muted pike]

The mk4 used to be the best one, you can spam overheads and the horde clear is great

But those were the days of old when people complained Devils Claw was weak vs armor

Now, mk4 is no longer the best. Its the mk7. And by a mile

I may even place it above the Relic Sword

[grave cypress]

im gonna be contrversial

[stone fern]

NO

STOP

[grave cypress]

devils claw with impact talents provides so much control

that i prefer it over the damage

[stone fern]

NOOOOOoooooooooo

[grizzled aspen]

It still is weak against armor.

[queen oyster]

Just take dueling sword is best

[grizzled aspen]

Mfw I have to hit a dreg bruiser 5 times to kill him because the flak adm is terrible:

[red swift]

Just go martyrdom xd

[misty nova]

Nah bro
Just H1 his head 3 times with the mk7

💀

[zinc talon]

People often ask me

Okri, I don't like you.

so chat, which side we on

new silence of the lambs face cage

old silence of the lambs face cage

gold silence of the lambs facecage

[hearty nebula]

Bald ass bitch

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177689022664020090.webp?&animated=true

[zinc talon]

sadly, irrecoverable

[grave cypress]

whatever this attack is on this mark of devil claw

is fucking powerful

[zinc talon]

comes from my days of being a little too quick un...uh, uhsheathing my eviscerator

and having a really long neck

I used to have marge simpson hair

no longer

[zinc talon]

steb always powerful

trust steb

ever since the days of salty's throat stab rapier in vt2

could oneshot a storm vermin if your aim was there and the stars aligned

fatshark will always have a love for one-shot very tiny swing arc attacks

plus, steb

[frosty herald]

Just found someone with 100 havocs insignia and only rank 22 like how bruh

[zinc talon]

no way, gotta be an account thing then

you can't be 22 and have run 100 jobs

^reason I will never change Hatchette's hair ever, no. 58325678: So many of the headpieces split down the middle like this

and the other hair textures either hide it or get shaved off completely

and (lol) there's even a shaved down version of your already shaved down hair

I will accept the apology of anyone who has ever called me heihachi ever now

[hearty nebula]

it's the new auric storm survivor title

[muted pike]

Devils Claw Mk7 is top 2-3 strongest weapon in game

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-touching-gif-15247038

yall gonna hafta start callin me Cousin Hotkri fr

[grave cypress]

this eye goggle is OK

I kinda wish it glowed...but we already do have a lot of glowey eyes for ogryn

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-padme-haha-funny-so-love-has-blinded-you-natalie-portman-gif-17830134

[hearty nebula]

ugly ass bald mf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177689022664020090.webp?&animated=true

[tepid sorrel]

society

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/thistle-picmix-dungeon-meshi-dunmeshi-delicious-in-dungeon-gif-72524730957989978

[misty nova]

Nah Screw Thistle

(I got nothing against)

(actually maybe I do)

[frosty herald]

Atleast ask thistle out on a date

Smh

[hearty nebula]

you're gonna WHAT thistle?!

freak

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177689022664020090.webp?&animated=true

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-breaking-bad-hoodie-gif-13536614

Can't really have something against Thistle since you know

Madness

[thorn sable]

Wish they’d rename it to “Alt F-4 Enjoyer”

[hearty nebula]

real

Welcome to LeaveTide, feel free to leave when you go down, I know you aren't strong enough to last for the respawn timer

[thorn sable]

Pretty much

IMO master of the golden storm and true survivor are much better designed

“No downs for the team in a challenging mode where downs are likely”

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/han-solo-shrug-whatever-star-wars-gif-8920949

[tame sluice]

yeah climbing the stormraptor is old news

[grizzled aspen]

@copper hawk coded image.

[frozen kernel]

I made the mistake of opening one of the emails reddit sends you when they're like "you havent looked at our website in a while pls come back" and just see this shit

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/konata-hawk-hawk-tuah-konata-hawk-tuah-gif-12358301043525212611

[grizzled aspen]

AYO

[frozen kernel]

[grizzled aspen]

FIRST YOU SAY "RAWFROG" AND NOW YOURE HAWK TUAHING AT ME

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-desi-gif-1578780169342097148

[frozen kernel]

Rawfrog is downright despicable

I need a Daffy Duck gif

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-daffy-duck-looney-tunes-gif-7629740

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/i-sleep-i-am-sleeping-goodnight-gn-izutsumi-gif-13731125424926383905

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/daffy-shot-shoot-looney-duck-gif-10703897

[ancient spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/garfiel-rezero-subaru-real-gif-16142976090828442510

[frozen kernel]

I needed one that didn't have a big ass facebook boomer caption

[tepid sorrel]

death

[zinc talon]

all out

best I can do is trump maga q

[frozen kernel]

High quality gifs where the entire quote comes out letterbyletter/wordbyword are so rare these days

[zinc talon]

rofl

[grizzled aspen]

So you're not gonna explain what "rawfrog" means for the class?

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-reynolds-rage-untethered-always-sunny-gif-8120419

[copper hawk]

[zinc talon]

new axe I just bought

at least I think it's an axe

[frozen kernel]

I love when people's dueling swords get the fucking chainsword cover

With customization mod

I just see "oh hey based chainsword user" and then they stab with it

[zinc talon]

heh I do adore the team getting randomization

sometimes it's pure comedy gold

[frozen kernel]

I just turned off the flashlights because my first game with the mod, I got an ogryn with the trapper light on their stubber

I kept seeing the red in the corner of my vision and WHIPPING around

https://tenor.com/view/look-look-look-omg-scared-look-at-that-pointing-gif-15882274

[zinc talon]

oh god

[frozen kernel]

OH GOD

[zinc talon]

yknow I actually got better at seeing snipers with the team having their laser pointers on

[frozen kernel]

WHY IS IT SCALED LIKE THAT

[zinc talon]

heh I've got a couple others that...

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/rbd-alfonso-herrera-mickey-mouse-fist-bumb-shake-hands-gif-12857311

Me and Mouse Button 5

[grizzled aspen]

THATS IT, THA 'ERETICS DONE MADE ME MAD

THEYRE GETTIN THA THUMB

[frozen kernel]

If I see the beam, I just start mashing my ping button and following the trail

[zinc talon]

WCM makes one of the weapon heads for some variants an oversized trinket, scaled to the weapon head, ostensibly to make flail type weapons like this

[frozen kernel]

Worst case scenario the veteran with their shooter out just blasts it

[muted pike]

Aight I was wrong, mk7 does not have a different parry. It does have a different parry follow-up though, the same as the mk1

[frozen kernel]

Best case scenario I line up a shot and deal with it

[zinc talon]

when used responsibly, it can lead to weapons like this

(that trinket is actually its own point light source and so illuminates your armor etc)

[frozen kernel]

Oh that's actually sick

Im noticing a Minecraft issue with Darktide

Where a lot of the mods are things that couldve easily been integrated in some form

[zinc talon]

and the weapon head is physics'd like trinkets are and so when facing the right direction will swing pretty believably

[frozen kernel]

Like I remember when MoCreatures was like, really suping up your minecraft

Now pretty much everything from back in the day is in there vanilla, and they're having mob votes to add a single creature

Darktide is gonna get actual flail weapons either never, or in its final chapter

I'll CTRL+F this quote in 2027

[muted pike]

Flail is my fav weapon in vermintide

[ornate bone]

it´s ok chain weapons are cool enough

[muted pike]

But nah dude

[frozen kernel]

cries in evi mk3

[grizzled aspen]

Chain weapons would be cool if eviscerators didn't perform worse than mk13 chord across the board.

[grizzled aspen]

:)

[frozen kernel]

Chain weapons are thematically cool

[zinc talon]

when used irresponsibly, however

[frozen kernel]

Their performance ranges from MRE spoon to weapon of mass destruction

[grizzled aspen]

The pick that has the thammer trinket head is peak fat zealout larp.

[ornate bone]

it´s a comically large chainsword. that´s super cool. i never said it was anything more than just cool 🙂

[muted pike]

The last time I use the Devil's Claw was around launch. When did they buff the parry?

[north sedge]

chaxe good and fun

[ornate bone]

XD finger

[frozen kernel]

Be a lot cooler if it killed things rather than knock them down with harsh words

[grizzled aspen]

Not at all, last I checked.

[zinc talon]

my headcanon was that okri was furious that he couldn't reach over a bulwarks shield with his power maul, so he grabbed a really long pole and stuck his power maul head first onto the chain to be able to

[grizzled aspen]

I'm pretty sure it's been the exact same since launch.

I dont even think it's had an adm change at all.

[zinc talon]

instead of tail first, cuz he has no grasp of physics

just pole + hammer + bonk

[north sedge]

uhh no the parry was fucking dogshit

until p13 or 14

[frozen kernel]

The principle is solid

[ornate bone]

i remember using the chainsword when the eviscerator was all the rage. yet another thing i was right about. i should put my loadouts into scripture for a prophecy.

[grizzled aspen]

With the physics of flails, this is actually proper.

[frozen kernel]

If all you need is the head to just like, bump the enemy

And energy just goes WOKAHSJODHASIASSDOJ and turns them into a fine red mist

[zinc talon]

well didn't they grabass around with the parry mechanics themselves

[grizzled aspen]

If you stuck a bit of haft on the end of the chain then you'd throw off your swing arc.

[zinc talon]

for at least a little bit you could stunlock bosses with the parry

like, make em recoil

could bounce em off ledges and whatnot

[frozen kernel]

Yeah but when your flail's shaft casually gets blocked by the shield, the whole hurty bit on the end of the chain keeps going

[grizzled aspen]

Yes you could stunlock anything with dclaw for a bit, it was quite funny to watch a psyker physically turn a dh off.

[zinc talon]

lol yeah the chain comes down and the head of the hammer bonks the bulwark

even though the tail would be ideal for more reach

[grizzled aspen]

No, no, we are saying if you ripped the head off a thammer, but you stuck the top of the head on the chain, not the haft end.

[zinc talon]

the chains just long enough to hit the bulwark over the shield with the head of the power maul

which is what okri was going for

[grizzled aspen]

Physics wise, it's correct to do that.

[zinc talon]

oh, well then double vic tory

[frozen kernel]

Not for nothing, the heavy shaft of an ogryn flail like that would be scary enough even without a head

[grizzled aspen]

If you stuck the chain on the bit of haft that's left you'd throw off your swing arc.

[frozen kernel]

That's a giant man wielding a massive metal stick

[zinc talon]

oh I see now

[frozen kernel]

Im still shitting my pants if he comes off the elevator

[zinc talon]

...perhaps I am the real ogryn

gigglin about all this in my head for so long and never putting that togteher

[grizzled aspen]

There he is, the most sane man in zealout chat.

[hushed knoll]

Frogcast omg hi ily

[zinc talon]

oh shit

did not realize the new backpack is for oll smols

[zinc talon]

hi fren

[hushed knoll]

Why are zealots obsessed with skulls

Hi okri

[frozen kernel]

Well you see, it's where we keep all our thoughts

[grizzled aspen]

There he is, the man I will skin and eat.

[hushed knoll]

Hot 🫦

[grizzled aspen]

Ok. No.

Away with you.

[hushed knoll]

You made your bed now you have to lay in it

[stone fern]

i never make my bed

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/papersplease-papers-please-horny-gif-9904339973204358890

[stone fern]

gotta sleep in urs

[hushed knoll]

Hi clad

[stone fern]

hi

[hushed knoll]

👀👀👀👀

[frozen kernel]

Oh hey clad came over from psyker chat

[zinc talon]

the Space Marine Impersonation Project continues apace

[grizzled aspen]

He should go back.

[zinc talon]

they're fascinated by how everybody else's skull is so impossibly thin compared to theirs

they collect em for study in the hopes of one day understanding why their skulls are so thick

[stone fern]

.t orgyn

[frozen kernel]

"We have Salamanders at home"

"By the way son, we got you these Ultramarines you weren't asking for"

[zinc talon]

ngl yall I was firin from the hip doin the space marine bit but this

that hilt, with an evisc body and chain

on a 1h chainsword or axe

pallete needs work but I just found a new favorite

[fleet zealot]

I forgot what snooted means but have a snoot

[zinc talon]

oh no

his has terminal blurriness

we may never see it again

the fanciest Chim Chimminy at the entire Cheroo

[frozen kernel]

Lord Chimmington

of House Chim

4head tattoo, point and laugh

Gotta get the cholo tear

[thorn sable]

In the grim derp future of the 40th millennium there is only Dewalt

[gleaming kelp]

I was gonna answer this with a semi-seriously about the relic trade during the middle ages but I forgot where I was.

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/hesitation-is-defeat-sekiro-sekiro-shadows-die-twice-isshin-the-sword-saint-fromsoftware-gif-22073480

fuggin reply bugged

[gleaming kelp]

Discord mikiri'd your reply

[zinc talon]

prolly a foregone question here but I just picked up the eviscerator on a lark

just to giggle with the og variant

there's no way to rev and hit H2 without sacrificing the swing is there

[frozen kernel]

Oh poor Okri

[zinc talon]

well the new variant, on paper and liekly in the hands of good people is better

but it's boring

[frozen kernel]

P much that exactly yeah

[misty ravine]

Boring and still not very good

[frozen kernel]

Mk3 is more fun but holy shit it's not great

It's always been a worse dclaw/hsword, especially when you used to be locked into the rev

It got some buffs a while back, I think ironically when the MkXV released because maybe they had a moment of reflection and realized how sad the weapon was

Because thammer went from dog piss to actually great around the same time

Unfortunately it's just been power crept

Relic laid flowers on its corpse

[zinc talon]

I am blisfully ignorant of the Dclaw

I wasn't impressed at released and new weapons kept coming out so I've used it like, once

[frozen kernel]

I've never touched it, but I respect what folks can do with it

Someone had an idea once about the evi and chaxe specials swapping their modes

It mostly came out as a dub for the chaxe but hey, it's an idea

[zinc talon]

yeah same here

[misty ravine]

What if they did something really daring and got rid of the eviscerator's inexplicable 4 target cap

[zinc talon]

it's the ford F150 of weapons in terms of excitement factor for me but people can move mountains

gas rationing

I thought you heard

can't have chainswords goin willy nilly all the time think of the environment

[hushed knoll]

Who says the ford f150 is exciting

[zinc talon]

heh that's what I mean, it isn't, like the Dclaw

[frozen kernel]

Use your eyes to read, pilgrim

[misty ravine]

Electric Blades are also bad for the environment, think of the discarded batteries, and the electricity generated by burning heretics

[zinc talon]

the boss parry gimmick also kinda burnt me on it too, probably unfairly

I hate gimmicks

[gleaming kelp]

Evis has a target cap? Is this yet another hidden modifier?

[frozen kernel]

I only dispose of my batteries in the finest scum pits of Tertium's water supply network when purging daemonic infestations

[misty ravine]

Some fundamental component of a weapon (single target damage worth a damn) being so dependent on what your target does seems kinda clownish to me

[frozen kernel]

Like a compost pile

[zinc talon]

good way to put it

[frozen kernel]

Mk3 H1 will only damage 4 enemies. You'll knock others down, but it wont do any damage

[misty ravine]

Same with Mk15 lights

[zinc talon]

it won't bleed em either with blood...whatever blessing cuz it doesn't 'hit' them to begin with right

or will it still proc bleed across all of em but not do damage

[frozen kernel]

Funni mem

[thorn sable]

Parry is awesome and I wish dueling sword had it

[gleaming kelp]

Might as well be a blunt object

[zinc talon]

I wouldn't mind seeing that as the alt attack on on e of the duelling swords, to be honest, might bring a new dimention to the whole platform

[frozen kernel]

The dueling sword not having a parry is high tier meme

[zinc talon]

right now dodge steb is kind've a crowded genre of weapon anyway

[frozen kernel]

based fartshart says "just jab em harder"

[thorn sable]

It has speed poke instead which you can use to land a touch

[grand tangle]

Dueling sword with parry would be mind numbingly op
It would be on brand for a dueling sword, tho

[thorn sable]

Which is very fencing

[misty ravine]

Honestly kind of weird that the Dueling Sword doesn't. If anything should need to Parry to justify its single target damage it's that

[zinc talon]

I'm already writing my senator, don't worry guys

[frozen kernel]

If the idiots didnt hand it out to everyone it wouldve been fine on psyker

Wouldve been cool to see a fully charged gazer riposte a boss for like half their HP

If not more

[thorn sable]

I’ve only been saying that for two years, I’m sure change is coming any day now

[frozen kernel]

Because psyker has cranked crit to begin with

[zinc talon]

I spose cuz of the whole kommissar (cosmetics only not a class or squad or anything of substance) thing they do with vets the duelling sword still fits, barely

zealots getting em was just a cave to the knife goblins

[thorn sable]

Dclaw interacts hilariously with psyker kinetic deflection

[zinc talon]

maybe an attempt to split them off that one weapon

one DS variant is just 3 knives in a trenchcoat anyway

[thorn sable]

Basically you can spam parry forever because it costs nothing peril

[potent gate]

To be fair, if a needle tried to deflect big stick, puny needle would break.

Devils claw is STRONK

[zinc talon]

it's a proper calvalry sabre yeah

wait

[thorn sable]

Which means you can trivially delete rager blobs with no risk

[zinc talon]

wrong one 1sec I'll think of it

calvalry sabre would be the slashly DS

[gleaming kelp]

When did schizophrenic ass psyker learn to fence anyway. Although I guess we're sanctioned psykers so.....🤷‍♂️

[grand tangle]

Mk2

[frozen kernel]

Psyker gets a lot of the noble looking drip, they can have a fancy sword

[thorn sable]

We use big brain to predict enemy action, no training

Bitches need protocol

[zinc talon]

the generalized 'fancy' thing psykers culture, even though they're treated like dogshit and forcibly recruited

[gleaming kelp]

Me with tubes and shit coming out of my fit

[misty nova]

In a dream of course

[frozen kernel]

Plus mechanically, it was nice to give them a really stronk melee weapon on a pretty fragile class that (at launch at least) didn't handle raw melee as well

[zinc talon]

it fit the glass cannon thing well for sure

[fleet zealot]

Dw they fixed psyker by giving them a new unique ridic OP melee option

[frozen kernel]

Zealot having the DS is just like, giving Kratos the BFG

[fleet zealot]

FGS

[gleaming kelp]

From Beloved, of course.

[thorn sable]

We had ok melee at launch because again kinetic deflection

[tame sluice]

force sword had infinite effective dodges and innately blocked bullets

also 360 degree push

[fleet zealot]

Innate? No you always needed deflector

[zinc talon]

and a push on single target like 5m away

[tame sluice]

also push attack that knocked down crushers and ignored stagger reistance

[frozen kernel]

You needed deflector as a blessing

[fleet zealot]

And infinite dodges was, a weird bug

[zinc talon]

yep

[tame sluice]

you did not need deflector early on release and during the beta

[zinc talon]

naw it was a fully fleshed out thing

[tame sluice]

was a bug that got fixed post release

[zinc talon]

it said it in the tooltip and everything

[gleaming kelp]

Seer Psyker is a jolly individual all things considered.

[thorn sable]

Coupled with FS deflector we were more able to squash ranged stuff in melee launch version than zealots

[zinc talon]

the french sounding one? yep I love those

[fleet zealot]

I played the beta and never heard anything about that, i just knew deflector existed

[thorn sable]

Zealots back then spent most of their time on the ground 😂

[zinc talon]

oh DEFLECTOR not infinite dodges

I concede

[frozen kernel]

I played zealot in the last beta because brain burst was icky

[zinc talon]

infinite dodges was there til right before crafting revamp I think

certainly until careers

[thorn sable]

Infinite dodge was on ds back then and was comedy strong

[fleet zealot]

I played ogryn during beta

[frozen kernel]

Levelling psyker was even more of a chore when 99% of people didnt know how to play the game myself included

Peak ogryn roleplay at launch

[fleet zealot]

If they buff mk1 club

[frozen kernel]

So many of them

[fleet zealot]

I might go back

Peak laziness

Work smarter not harder

Eat and sleep in the same spot

[thorn sable]

Psyker was really good at launch except for warp charges

Which was terrible as a mechanic

[frozen kernel]

The amount of nerds malding about their warp stacks

Holy fuck

[fleet zealot]

Oh yea warp charges needing BB kills or a level 30 talent

Im still mad they made Quicken baseline for warpcharges it sucks

[frozen kernel]

Trying to BB random pox in a horde actively being mulched by 3 people

[thorn sable]

“Kill something with an incredibly slow attack every 60 seconds or lose all your warp charges”

[frozen kernel]

"GUYS STOP KILLING MY TARGET"

[grand tangle]

More like ever 16 seconds

[tame sluice]

to be fair the random brain burst on hit made it difficult to run out

[grand tangle]

No it didnt

It always popped on chaff

[frozen kernel]

Had a whole sitdown with a buddy where we were like "Look man, it's not you. It's very poorly designed. We're sorry this shit happens, but we're not going to wait for you to kill things that are running at us"

[zinc talon]

yeah I'm glad FS pivoted to some abilities having the one stack at a time thing

[frozen kernel]

Like I'd push attack a dog and cleave its head off and he'd get upset

[zinc talon]

you shoulda SEEN all the tears in beards when FNP was first revamped to have independent up/down rates

then it was like oh, wait, this works in our favor

[misty ravine]

It was called Kinetic Cope for a reason

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-scared-happy-smile-smirk-gif-15434639

[frozen kernel]

Was this the recent tree changes?

[gleaming kelp]

@zinc talon punched a dog out of the air yesterday on reflex. I understand now

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/chest-bump-wolf-of-wall-street-wolf-of-solana-pelf-pelfort-gif-7122227574732634295

[zinc talon]

no I don't remember the specifics of it, but feel no pain was revamped to be able to tick up and tick down independently of each other

instead of just one metric, slide up slide down

and the rate at which you could lose them at first seemed much faster than gaining them

[misty ravine]

No it was earlier this year, must have been while I was playing Helldivers because The Consensus went from "FNP Goes On All Builds" to "There Are Only Glugger And Heavispam"

[frozen kernel]

Brand new Zealot action figure with real Karate Chop action!

[grand tangle]

Zealot tree needs a rework putting until death and holy revenant in the middle of the tree somewhere

[thorn sable]

They’re not necessary

[grand tangle]

Because every single zealot ever takes them

[thorn sable]

I don’t take them on my zel builds

[grand tangle]

Whether they're necessary or not

[frozen kernel]

It's the second chance perk of course everyone takes it lol

[grand tangle]

You don't exist then

[frozen kernel]

Have you ever played Souls PvP?

[thorn sable]

🤷‍♀️ I play h40 zel without holy rev line

If I can as an old man you guys can too

[grand tangle]

OK and

[gleaming kelp]

That knife reflex.

[zinc talon]

I don't take it either

[tame sluice]

it's so easy to get anyways

[thorn sable]

And I’d rather not lose access to better stuff in mid tree so that people with skill issues can have their safety blanket easier

[tame sluice]

because duellist is right next to it

[misty ravine]

What better stuff in mid tree

[frozen kernel]

I mean the amount of people that pathed across the tree for TWBS shows that wherever you put certain "must have" perks, people will find a way to build for it

[misty ravine]

TWBS being right below second wind and throwing knives

It's Duelist, Until Death+Holy Revenant, and Not Loner they path back over for

[spare dome]

I'm not confused by people liking UD+HR, but I am confused by the notion that it's somehow totally mandatory. It's a bit like the +25% ammo node on Veteran -- I don't have that option on other classes using almost all the same guns and don't have ammo issues, so why would I need it?

[grand tangle]

People path across the tree for until death and holy revenant, not benediction or twbs. They want knives and the safety net

[thorn sable]

Shield of faith? And the sprint cost reduction?

If you’re not standing around eating crusher overheads for breakfast those are very good

[misty ravine]

When you worry less about ammo you can shoot more I guess

[tame sluice]

why would I ever willingly take sprint cost reduction

I can just let go of shift

or S L I D E

[thorn sable]

Go faster for longer 💪

[spare dome]

Sprint efficiency is goated.

[stone fern]

no one can pay me to to go zealot middle tree if its not havoc

[tame sluice]

if I wanted to do that I would slide

which is free

[misty ravine]

Shield of Contempt
Safety Issue For Skill Blanket

[frozen kernel]

Waiting simulator

[thorn sable]

It’s a safety button for the team

[grave cypress]

i never take UD+HR, its too little benefit for a situation I shouldn't have been in. You can excell better with nodes that'll help you kill stuff better I wouldn't take it like its law

[spare dome]

And no other class is shrugging off deaths and people clearly win games with those so

[frozen kernel]

It's been so long since I've actually looked at our tree

[tame sluice]

I basically always have both since it's right next to duellist, and on the way to the good zealot aura

so like why not

[frozen kernel]

I was just running straight left hand for at least half of 2024

[thorn sable]

I have played meleeker for forever and that doesn’t have a cope trait that lets you survive terminal skill issue

[frozen kernel]

Like stuns, bene, piety

[grave cypress]

Doesnt matter if its right next to duelist, its still making you go down 2 points that could have been spent in something with more uptime

[tame sluice]

I'm not gonna pretend that I never die

[grave cypress]

its nice that its close but its still a cost

[spare dome]

And Desperation is very easy to play into for most weapons

[ornate bone]

i don´t die. i´m probably the best player in this channel.

[gleaming kelp]

I got the penance connected with HR on accident while I was learning the game

[thorn sable]

Based

[frozen kernel]

Every time I would've gotten Abhor the Mutant I just call it out to myself

[thorn sable]

I die, but I make it hard for the heretics

[thorn sable]

Fuck I hated getting that penance

[frozen kernel]

So many times I just accidentally a mutie on my way to something else

And Im just like

"Oh hey abhor the mutant"

[thorn sable]

The detection for it was very wiggy in the release period

[frozen kernel]

It was

[thorn sable]

I spent months yeeting myself at muties trying for it 😂

[frozen kernel]

I had to actually kill like 2-3 of them before it counted

[misty ravine]

What are you, some kind of Die Hard?
||I'm something of a Die Hard Too||
||With A Vengeance||

[frozen kernel]

I think I finally got it when one bastard slammed into a wall on the way to me

[thorn sable]

World’s greatest Christmas movie

[frozen kernel]

And I slammed into the wall after killing him

Weird map geometry bug got us both lol

[thorn sable]

And the toe scrunch time zone thing actually works

[frozen kernel]

Oh speaking of map geometry

[ornate bone]

every time i see a mutant in the game, i shout "ABHOR THE MUTANT!" before killing it. my roommates hate me and want to kick me out.