where I swore it was crab(tinyangrycrab) who was playing
#zealot-class
placid fiber
thorn sable
Simply backshot the heretics for extra stealth degeneracy
river jackal
Cleanse this filth
runic grotto
Wait what. Did I just send a racist gif or something. I though arya is what the dog is called.
placid fiber
God that made me happy to have seen an actually competent and amazing rando
hearty nebula
Wait what. Did I just send a racist gif or something. I though arya is what the ...
uh
runic grotto
lmao
hearty nebula
well you answered it yourself
placid fiber
That's the 2nd amazing rando I've seen in my 1864 hours
hearty nebula
you can google the implications yourself
spare talon
LMAO
hearty nebula
💀
runic grotto
LMAO
spare talon
Posting that without knowing what it is is so fucking funny I'm sorry
hearty nebula
placid fiber
LMAO
Dude, cole... this stealth vet did things like you did in the maelstroms you dragged my rusty ass and that leveling oggy into
runic grotto
Posting that without knowing what it is is so fucking funny I'm sorry
I'm dying laughing
spare talon
I'm dying laughing
The effects of a beautiful day
placid fiber
that was the only stealth vet I remember seeing lol
runic grotto
Another day in my beautiful clueless life
hearty nebula
i love zealot chat
runic grotto
Who doesn't
hearty nebula
Who doesn't
pooh
runic grotto
Who's that
hearty nebula
dont worry about it
hearty nebula
just remember that heavy sword is a bad weapon because it doesn't absolutely destroy chaff units in horde clear in havoc 40
/s
hearty nebula
bro legit could not accept being wrong
runic grotto
based
hearty nebula
i have never seen such a hard cope in my life
misty nova
he was... the literal... master... baiter...
placid fiber
i have never seen such a hard cope in my life
I legit gave up on him and blocked him with 0 regrets... and I almost never block anyone
hearty nebula
i still think its funny that bandit blocked me yesterday
like yeah i get that they were stressed & information overload
but lmfao
thorn sable
I legit gave up on him and blocked him with 0 regrets... and I almost never bloc...
heretics like this
runic grotto
i still think its funny that bandit blocked me yesterday
Was that during the tech support at 4 AM arc?
hearty nebula
yeah
placid fiber
I actually went from annoyed and stressed... to completely calm and no longer stressed as soon as I blocked him lol
hearty nebula
summat like that
placid fiber
like the stress just dissipeared
hearty nebula
they got pissed because i just told them to run sfc /scannow
runic grotto
I understand them
river jackal
This is genuinely how it feels to watch the average random vs 1 poxwalker
placid fiber
I was coping so hard at first trying to give the mf the benefit of the doubt lol
hearty nebula
I understand them
oh yeah i dont blame them
but it was a really bad kneejerk reaction from them nonetheless
gray ice
Zealot chat stressing anyone besides mods out is a concept I can't grasp
runic grotto
It's hard to follow advice of 4 different people each telling a different thing
hearty nebula
Zealot chat stressing anyone besides mods out is a concept I can't grasp
we don't get stressed we just aren't afraid to dunk on idiots
:3
placid fiber
Zealot chat stressing anyone besides mods out is a concept I can't grasp
I was only stressed because of how much cope I was doing by offering them any benefit of the doubt lol
spare dome
hsword sucks, more like Lsword
stone fern
they got pissed because i just told them to run sfc /scannow
lmao what was the issue
spare dome
l for loser
river jackal
hsword sucks, more like Lsword
hearty nebula
hsword sucks, more like Lsword
gray ice
It's hard to follow advice of 4 different people each telling a different thing
Just listen to the correct person (it's always me don't ever doubt this)
spare dome
SOUBT
hearty nebula
Just listen to the correct person (it's always me don't ever doubt this)
vin is always wrong
never listen to them
placid fiber
lmao what was the issue
the basis of his opinion was that weapons sucked, as a base rule, if they did not work perfectly for them in havoc 40
hearty nebula
listen to me instead i'm only wrong sometimes
misty nova
hsword sucks, more like Lsword
hearty nebula
:3c
oak lance
It's hard to follow advice of 4 different people each telling a different thing
yeah sometimes its better to die 1st tbh lol
gray ice
Gabranth is schizo please fire them from a cannon
misty nova
hearty nebula
Gabranth is schizo please fire them from a cannon
gray ice
We don't tolerate tzeentch influencers here
placid fiber
It's hard to follow advice of 4 different people each telling a different thing
generally speaking the people who know what they are talking about give pretty similar advice
runic grotto
I loved heavy sword with old invocation of death
misty nova
3veg Oubliette up
gray ice
really though i never had much love for the hsword
I mean yea but I don't like it ≠ the weapon is bad
spare dome
despite it being almost uniquely a horde clear weapon, it doesnt even keep up at that at high havocs, and that do be kinda suck
runic grotto
Using fotf 15 times in 10 seconds was funny
hearty nebula
3veg Oubliette up
hearty nebula
despite it being almost uniquely a horde clear weapon, it doesnt even keep up at...
oh yeah that wasn't the issue, nobody was denying that
spare dome
hswords could do with a touch more flak damage
hearty nebula
but their arguement was that heavy sword is just bad outright
gray ice
Most weapons can't keep up at H40 cuz they weren't balanced with it in mind
hearty nebula
purely because it doesn't perform in H40
limber trellis
gray ice
And it's such an outlier of difficulty
hearty nebula
^
placid fiber
despite it being almost uniquely a horde clear weapon, it doesnt even keep up at...
honestly I understand if they want to say it sucks in havoc 40 for them... but saying it sucks altogether cuz it sucks for them in havoc 40... it's just... sad...
spare dome
well not h40 necessarily
limber trellis
H sword... bad
hearty nebula
and like you can definitely pull your weight with hsword in havoc
spare dome
like at 30 it starts to be stinky
runic grotto
Heavy sword is not even good in normal aurics nowadays
spare dome
but is what it is
hearty nebula
but dont expect it to just destroy shit
runic grotto
There are so many mixed hordes
oak lance
everything sucks in havoc 40 from my understaning
hearty nebula
Heavy sword is not even good in normal aurics nowadays
wrong
it's just you not being good
noob....
gray ice
Heavy sword is not even good in normal aurics nowadays
Aight let's settle down
placid fiber
everything sucks in havoc 40 from my understaning
some things suck more
misty nova
There are so many mixed hordes
Yeah it's good at mixed hordes
spare dome
i never liked its mobility
misty nova
hearty nebula
we're going to skin you
placid fiber
There's nothing I can do to save you...
placid fiber
All I can do... is watch...
hearty nebula
mods
thorn sable
Hsword just feels like bad knife
hearty nebula
slough off this man's flesh from his bones
runic grotto
river jackal
I feel like this is the core tenet of Zealot chat tbh
hearty nebula
real
gray ice
In H41 you have to convince the heretics to step aside with dialogue since all the weapons are absolute trash
placid fiber
Hsword just feels like bad knife
You're comparing it to one of the strongest weapons on zealot... and I'm guessing you're only taking elite ttk into account
hearty nebula
they're probably baiting
placid fiber
That too
gray ice
Hsword just feels like bad knife
Knife can't kill 4 ragers per swing
placid fiber
^
thorn sable
Knife can't kill 4 ragers per swing
It also doesn’t bounce off carapace and then run away crying
misty nova
In H41 you have to convince the heretics to step aside with dialogue since all t...
"Excuse me sir, would you please step aside so I may proceed forward"
gray ice
It also doesn’t bounce off carapace and then run away crying
Yell harder for the Emperor
runic grotto
In H41 you have to convince the heretics to step aside with dialogue since all t...
H41 will be impossible because FS will make you interact with a woman and warhammer fans are deathly afraid of them
hearty nebula
REAL
placid fiber
It also doesn’t bounce off carapace and then run away crying
lol... taking the weakness of the heavy sword and saying that's why it is bad compared to the knife... how original
gray ice
I always use chastise I dunno what it's like to struggle with armor anymore
placid fiber
Like literally the argument of idiots
hearty nebula
just use chastise
thorn sable
lol... taking the weakness of the heavy sword and saying that's why it is bad co...
The weakness of hsword matters way more than the weakness of knife
hearty nebula
problem gone
oak lance
zelly chat is very zelly this morning
thorn sable
So… yes?
hearty nebula
zelly chat is very zelly this morning
gray ice
zelly chat is very zelly this morning
We just out chea
placid fiber
The weakness of hsword matters way more than the weakness of knife
Huh... so... there's nothing that can kill carapace with the heavy sword...
like a bolter
or revolver
or flamer
gray ice
They have different weakness, knife weakness doesn't matter anymore than hswords
thorn sable
Huh... so... there's nothing that can kill carapace with the heavy sword...
If you’re mag dumping carapace in auric maels don’t let me stop you 🤷♀️
I don’t really care about the meme mode balance tho
river jackal
Knife is for people who just want to run through the level tbh
placid fiber
Literal bait, I'm done for now lol
oak lance
We just out chea
gotta respect it 💯
river jackal
Rare do I see a knife user actually play the game
placid fiber
I was just having fun with it lol
gray ice
Like if I'm using hsword I just bring an anti armor ranged
frosty herald
forcing heavy sword carapace with chastice
placid fiber
Like if I'm using hsword I just bring an anti armor ranged
sorry, remember that's a poor option for auric malestrom
thorn sable
Zealot relying on anti armor ranged in h40 is a waste of a slot tbh
frosty herald
or inded just use bolter or rending flames
gray ice
I dunno where this "but can it get through cara" shits coming from all the time now
violet hornet
Love waking up to see another round of baseless hsword haters getting shit on chat. Y'all doing the emprah's work 
placid fiber
and now they're bringing specifically havoc 40 into this lol
river jackal
I dunno where this "but can it get through cara" shits coming from all the time ...
Havoc armour spam, probably.
hearty nebula
Huh... so... there's nothing that can kill carapace with the heavy sword...
i wish we had an ability on zealot that gave you like mega cleave and a guaranteed crit to make up for this.... maybe some attack speed & damage too....
gray ice
Most weapons can't do everything, never been able to lol
placid fiber
i wish we had an ability on zealot that gave you like mega cleave and a guarante...
Yeah
Too bad we don't
hearty nebula
ikr...
oak lance
bolter ♥️
placid fiber
yeah
hearty nebula
it'd be so cool...
violet hornet
I passed my first havoc 40 with an hsword 
placid fiber
like at least try to make it not obvious your baiting
lean lark
I dunno where this "but can it get through cara" shits coming from all the time ...
dueling sword brainrot
frosty herald
heavy sword is good in havoc cause of hordeclear in melee with cleave blessings alongside power
hearty nebula
dueling sword brainrot
this basically
gray ice
Havoc armour spam, probably.
85% of players will probably never touch h40 or for a VERY long time
hearty nebula
havoc "players" are a new breed of stupid
oak lance
i havent passed asingle havoc
frosty herald
you have other teammates who can do anti armor at havoc 40 cause your a cohesive team
hearty nebula
i havent passed asingle havoc
same
runic grotto
DS on zealot and vet was a mistake
hearty nebula
im waiting for them to rework how rewards work
& also make just
playing it not aids (not change difficulty)
frosty herald
i however have 4 roles anti corruption anti horde anti armor and overtoughness
placid fiber
it's hilarious how often people say it sucks because of havoc 40 or auric maelstrom compared to such and such
stone fern
85% of players will probably never touch h40 or for a VERY long time
its legit not that bad its just a hug the psyker simulator
river jackal
85% of players will probably never touch h40 or for a VERY long time
I feel like that's an exaggeration. I've only had the game a month and cleared it 5x now
gray ice
Like how is it 2 weeks ago these weps are fine and now it can't do h40 so it's bad?
lean lark
i however have 4 roles anti corruption anti horde anti armor and overtoughness
you? role? hav40?
gray ice
Get the fuck outta here
hearty nebula
I feel like that's an exaggeration. I've only had the game a month and cleared i...
you are the outlier
frosty herald
you? role? hav40?
shush
placid fiber
like if you want to specifically compare it to havoc 40 and auric maelstrom say that
river jackal
you are the outlier
How so? It didn't feel that rough
gray ice
I feel like that's an exaggeration. I've only had the game a month and cleared i...
You have. That is good.
hearty nebula
How so? It didn't feel that rough
because it isn't
runic grotto
I think that it's ok that something is simply not viable on h40
gray ice
You vastly underestimate the casual players this game has
river jackal
Hav 40 queue is pretty much all good teammates so it's arguably easier than Auric Mael
hearty nebula
but your average casual is not going to be doing havoc
gray ice
Most people are not grinding auric maels only
placid fiber
I think that it's ok that something is simply not viable on h40
no no, remember: that's means it sucks
thorn sable
and now they're bringing specifically havoc 40 into this lol
Do people seriously need to think about weapon choices in auric mael? I just bring whatever and vibe
runic grotto
h40 is a special challenge you do sometimes
gray ice
That's our tism
runic grotto
Not something you play daily
thorn sable
like if you want to specifically compare it to havoc 40 and auric maelstrom say ...
Oh my god 😂
oak lance
most pubs barely clear heresy/damnation
FACT
runic grotto
Chat do you think I will ever be able to do The Insane penance?
Or will havocs die before I get the chance
gray ice
That depends are you insane
thorn sable
Ok, I see I totally misunderstood who I was talking to, enjoy your heavy sword
frosty herald
we will
placid fiber
we will
No, no, yam. Remember: the new popular opinion is that if it doesn't work everywhere equally with the best stuff it isn't useable
vagrant horizon
If it’s not the literal best then it’s not usable
placid fiber
Yep
gray ice
I just hope power axe is sedition viable when it comes out
runic grotto
I love catachan swords
hearty nebula
glorp
thorn sable
If you have meme takes about meme weapons don’t be surprised when people disagree
frosty herald
No, no, yam. Remember: the new popular opinion is that if it doesn't work everyw...
remember
river jackal
If it’s not the literal best then it’s not usable
This is the first game where I've witnessed that mentality to this degree
frosty herald
heavy sword is one of the best weapons on auric maelstrom
but havoc 40 has its entirely own balancing where you need some form of hard hitting single target
runic grotto
This is the first game where I've witnessed that mentality to this degree
Then you probably haven't played other games
This shit is in any game
river jackal
Then you probably haven't played other games
I've played plenty, I don't usually see so much drama the second something isn't like SSSS++××× tier
vagrant horizon
This is the first game where I've witnessed that mentality to this degree
People are a bit more vocal here about it, but it’s around in most other games especially MMOs or also very competitive games.
frosty herald
ranged in havoc is a different story depending on pus hardened
runic grotto
I've played plenty, I don't usually see so much drama the second something isn't...
I witness it all the time
gray ice
Balance is always the hottest topic when it comes to shit like this
runic grotto
But usually it's just in chats in dicord or on forums
In actual game people mostly don't care
river jackal
Helldivers was probably the worst for it but I also feel like it was generally the most justified
That team made a litany of poor choices
oak lance
we running toughness or health for havoc ?
river jackal
we running toughness or health for havoc ?
2x tough 1x stam
runic grotto
I think health?
river jackal
Iirc
thorn sable
heavy sword is one of the best weapons on auric maelstrom
I think it’s fine there, but not a mind blowing standout
gray ice
3 tough, 2 tough 1 hp, some variance
thorn sable
I’d much rather have bromentum Rashad in auric mael
For example
But that’s because it clears everything equally due to bromentum silliness
gray ice
I still like hsword over rashad, but rashad is good when I have 0 brain cells left and just want to click
thorn sable
Idk why you’d take hp over a +3 stam
Stam is love, stam is life
Active defense >>> passive defense
gray ice
I dunno what you're using stam for honestly, never needed it
Not knocking you or anything
thorn sable
Never having my block broke. Push attacking whenever I feel it. Sprinting forever
gray ice
I just got used to the base stam, and don't change it A-side from certain loadouts
thorn sable
I also triple up stam regen
gray ice
Like I'll take a stam curio with crusher or dclaw
thorn sable
MORE
vagrant horizon
Stam is love, stam is life
gray ice
I already PA when I want stam regen is so quick it's never been an issue to me
thorn sable
If you haven’t tried stam + stam regen life, give it a shot
gray ice
I've been ABUSING relic PA on base stam
river jackal
Stamina is a more important resource than health, as it actively keeps you alive and is replenishable
oak lance
ok but seems like the consensus agrees on at least 2 toughness no matter what
thorn sable
And IMO CDR is another amazing option
oak lance
usually third from what people tell me depends more for your playstyle and build
frosty herald
full health on 3 human classes toughness on ogryn
river jackal
The only class I use Health on is Ogryn, as he already has plenty Stamina and gets the largest benefit from 1x health
gray ice
Stamina is a more important resource than health, as it actively keeps you alive...
My only problem with this is if it was such a big difference I feel like I'd have noticed when I played with stam curio
And I 100% did not
oak lance
cdr isnt an option for me its a lifestyle
thorn sable
I would not personally recommend taking resist options over stam regen/cooldown reduction/minor toughness
river jackal
Just having a stam curio isn't the point, it's actually using it
You can push a lot more inconsequentially
gray ice
Well yes thats kinda the idea
river jackal
Block for longer
oak lance
gotta have gunner resist right?
river jackal
Run for longer
vagrant horizon
cdr isnt an option for me its a lifestyle
Truly
thorn sable
The only class I use Health on is Ogryn, as he already has plenty Stamina and ge...
I run stamgryn and love it but purely because ogryn without stam to move is so dead so fast 😂
river jackal
It enables more mobility and defense
thorn sable
gotta have gunner resist right?
No it’s useless
river jackal
I run stamgryn and love it but purely because ogryn without stam to move is so d...
It's fine if you run with your gun out and slide
It can manage
gray ice
I dunno each their own
thorn sable
Gunners need to be dealt with immediately or avoided with cover
gray ice
I'd do stam regen in some slots, but I don't think I need the curio much
river jackal
I'd do stam regen in some slots, but I don't think I need the curio much
Also perfectly valid
gray ice
Yea stam regen is something i've definitely utilized
thorn sable
I'd do stam regen in some slots, but I don't think I need the curio much
Well, try both sometime. I was skeptical too, then ran it for a few dozen games and now am big believer
river jackal
Just not having Stamina is the big issue you want to avoid
0 Stamina can be crippling
gray ice
Well, try both sometime. I was skeptical too, then ran it for a few dozen games ...
Well when I was doing the stam curio it was for about a week od games
river jackal
It's just when you consider it vs health
gray ice
Cuz I was trying it to see how different it'd feel
thorn sable
Well when I was doing the stam curio it was for about a week od games
Were you also doing it with 3x stam regen?
river jackal
You only need 1 health to stay alive
The more stamina the better
To keep you alive
thorn sable
IMO it’s the combo of stam curio with stacked regen that gives it power
river jackal
Since more stamina allows you to evade damage
vagrant horizon
Run whatever you feel comfortable with and feel works for you the best, but personally I do get a lot out of stam.
gray ice
You only need 1 health to stay alive
Believe me I primarily play Marty you have no idea how much I embody this idea 
river jackal
The hp doesn't matter as much
gray ice
Were you also doing it with 3x stam regen?
2x
river jackal
There are 2 kinds of Marty zealots
gray ice
Cuz like for example I do like stam curio on psyker
thorn sable
I suck with martyr because I hate taking damage
gray ice
But i've just not needed it on zealot specifically
thorn sable
So I’ll be like full health thru most of the mission with a billion useless wounds 😂
oak lance
No it’s useless
damn true ok im not gonna put too much thought into this just to go out there and be shit on in the first 5 minutes lol but thx for all the pointerrs everyone
river jackal
I suck with martyr because I hate taking damage
Someone suggested to me the best way to use Marty is passively
gray ice
And death screen jockeys
Depending on the day I am willing to be either
river jackal
If you're not used to it
gray ice
It is a good way to do it
river jackal
Just allow it to kick in if you're in a bad spot basically
gray ice
If you're not used to playing it just use it like a normal tanky ass healthbar
BftE with 7 wounds alone gives you an asston of survivability
river jackal
It's similar to the Ogryn perk that straight doubles your toughness gains when below 33% health
Absolutely cracked perk btw
gray ice
Like crusher overhead will only get you to half at full hp type deal
With all the bonuses stacked Marty gives you a pretty high EHP
thorn sable
I mean I tend to play zealot without holy rev line so I have an unusual preference set 😂
gray ice
Embrace death and then it can't hurt you
thorn sable
I’m too used to meleeker’s “simply don’t be hit ever”
gray ice
me roasting in barrelfire for the Emperor
potent gate
I never run out of stamina even without stamina curios. If you're not running dockets and exp, you're probably trolling.
thorn sable
I never run out of stamina even without stamina curios. If you're not running do...
Based and scroogepilled
vagrant horizon
True, dockets and exp are best in slot. Thank you for your enlightenment 🙏
gray ice
I can't do it
Even on zealot I'm at like 450
Trying to grind lvls would turn it from fun to job with a wicked speed
oak lance
need more diamantine
gray ice
Please take mine I'm back towards the nothing to do with it portion of my currency cycle
river jackal
Which is plenty fun
placid fiber
ugh this stupid headache sucks
oak lance
everyone just chatting or someone wanna go put some work in with me?
gray ice
110k plasteel and diamantine, please let me make a melta
spare talon
All you'd have to do is spam maels
Spam 3veg sycorax speedruns
oak lance
on damnation or something
placid fiber
everyone just chatting or someone wanna go put some work in with me?
I'm a bit out of it, and have a massive headache otherwise I might
spare talon
10 minute auric maelstrom
In an out let's go
gray ice
everyone just chatting or someone wanna go put some work in with me?
I might get at you later, I'm about to roll up and relax tho
placid fiber
10 minute auric maelstrom
In an out let's go
even 3 minutes in and out is too much for me rn lol
river jackal
Can someone give me like
gray ice
Too early for this game to be stressing me out with silent trappers just yet
river jackal
The most disgusting Zealot toughness focused build possible?
placid fiber
and I'm 99% sure you weren't talking to me anyway
river jackal
I want to see how tanky a man can get
spare talon
The most disgusting Zealot toughness focused build possible?
Sure
gray ice
Cole cracking his knuckles in glee
oak lance
by most of your standards i am definitely not good though so any super angry zellys can hang back
river jackal
If you have to use confident strike or any similar ability to make it even more gross
Just do it
I will replicate Ogryn toughness gameplay on a human class
Fatshark will not stop me
river jackal
not hard to do
I get 70 toughness on Ogryn for hitting an enemy 💀
Like hit 1 poxwalker
Boom
placid fiber
and?
river jackal
60-70 toughness
oak lance
I might get at you later, I'm about to roll up and relax tho
say less ill be on for like another hour then on later this afternooon
river jackal
It is simply blissful
spare talon
The most disgusting Zealot toughness focused build possible?
This isn't fully minmaxxed for it but it is a functional build with insane dr and massive toughness gen, it's what I use with tac axe and ds5
river jackal
The bar is forever full
spare talon
It's funtionaly like 71% dr
placid fiber
I get it, the chunk of toughness is nice. It just is based on a different playstyle than zealot
river jackal
Let your toughness cup overfloweth
river jackal
This isn't fully minmaxxed for it but it is a functional build with insane dr an...
This looks pretty pog
placid fiber
since zealot gets more tdr capabilities than oggy
river jackal
If only immo grenade
placid fiber
oggy just gets more dr options
river jackal
since zealot gets more tdr capabilities than oggy
I'm not certain that's true
spare talon
This looks pretty pog
placid fiber
I'm not certain that's true
tdr, not including dr into the equation
river jackal
Iirc Ogryn has 20% innate TDR
river jackal
48% from delight in destruction
gray ice
This isn't fully minmaxxed for it but it is a functional build with insane dr an...
No EWEW 1.3/10
spare talon
48% from delight in destruction
Remember that it's all multiplicitive
placid fiber
not tdr
river jackal
Oh you're talking pure tdr nodes
spare talon
So you have diminishing returns
placid fiber
Oh you're talking pure tdr nodes
river jackal
I play Darktide as an Ogryn
oak lance
oh one last quick question well 3 i guess what up with stam regen , toughness regen and block efiiciency? i mean are they jsut not good enough compared to other perks or are they broken? Ive never seen a soul reccomend any of em
placid fiber
Yes ogryn has dr which affects toughness as well
lean lark
if you want infinite toughness gen on zealot this is what i used with hsword mk6
placid fiber
they have 34% innate toughness dr including dr
gray ice
oh one last quick question well 3 i guess what up with stam regen , toughness r...
Toughness regen not worth, block not worth, you can use stam regen
lean lark
no chastise spam needed
river jackal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1319548711101005834...
Why do my eyes see 4 wounds
limber sparrow
testing in psykhanium makes it seem like the only enemy where there is a significant difference when taking penetration as dump vs mobility as dump seems to be the crusher, but it still doesnt seem significant enough to matter
placid fiber
Why do my eyes see 4 wounds
gray ice
testing in psykhanium makes it seem like the only enemy where there is a signifi...
Cuz it's nawt
placid fiber
that's one of the randos that has 4 wounds
gray ice
Das why I said it's just preference
river jackal
Got confused
placid fiber
Got confused
I made that mistake before, but, I realized cole has his hud in the middle
if you look closer you can tell because there's only 3 portraits
river jackal
The only mod I use is true level
gray ice
For a lotta stuff the difference between 60/80 mobi is like +/-.20 sprint speed and sometimes a dodge
oak lance
i can see why toughness rg is not worth it. i notice most ppl dont block much though im always blocking is that something i need to drop
placid fiber
The only mod I use is true level
Also: that is an oggy with +1 wounds
gray ice
i can see why toughness rg is not worth it. i notice most ppl dont block much th...
Toughness regen isn't worth on curio because it only affect coherency regen
river jackal
Also: that is an oggy with +1 wounds
I just wanna talk to him
I JUST wanna talk to him
gray ice
Which isn't active with enemies by you
oak lance
Toughness regen isn't worth on curio because it only affect coherency regen
ah the fine print
river jackal
I saw an Ogryn with 6 wounds once
gray ice
Blocking is normal and fine, just be careful not to get staggered
Don't block when you're too low on stam
spare talon
Why do my eyes see 4 wounds
Yeah that was my friend on ogryn
He used an extra wound curio just to be safe since we were getting him auric storm survivor
But he didn't need it at all cuz he never went down lmao
gray ice
Push attack to create space
thorn sable
This isn't fully minmaxxed for it but it is a functional build with insane dr an...
Ds5? How do you deal with the weird hit box and close in dead zone on the overhead heavies?
oak lance
with the proper weapon blocking is not bad u would say?
river jackal
Yeah that was my friend on ogryn
He used an extra wound curio just to be safe si...
Man that's a lot of self doubt
placid fiber
Yeah that was my friend on ogryn
He used an extra wound curio just to be safe si...
I honestly can understand that point of view. Paranoia does a lot to a man...
spare talon
Ds5? How do you deal with the weird hit box and close in dead zone on the overhe...
I've not had any issues with it
It's just a comfy weapon to use, and extremely strong without being the same level of ds4 boringly overpowered
gray ice
with the proper weapon blocking is not bad u would say?
With any weapon blocking isn't bad. I primarily dodge but not taking dmg is not taking dmg
Block, Dodge, slide use all your tools
hearty nebula
Man that's a lot of self doubt
i do the same thing lmao
just
not with wounds
i am apparently a lot better at this game than i think i am
(says other people for some dumbfuck reason)
placid fiber
I honestly can understand that point of view. Paranoia does a lot to a man...
case and point: I still have immense paranoia from vt2 even tho I haven't played it for over half of a year lol
hearty nebula
real
oak lance
i need to get rid of my controller i swear my biggest downfall is having that to switch to when it gets crazy (trying to get better with kbm)
dodging is harder on controller
hearty nebula
not your fault that controllers are a gimped input method for FPS games
good luck tho on learning kbm
hearty nebula
I don't get the controller hate
controllers aren't like bad inherently
but they have problems when it comes to navigating in a third person space compared to kbm
gray ice
Controller is definitely a bit of a kneecap when it comes to precise aiming
hearty nebula
(its almost like fps games were originally designed to be played on a computer!!!!!)
gray ice
That said it's not nearly as much a handicap for a game like this
hearty nebula
yeah
spare talon
i am apparently a lot better at this game than i think i am
Some people saying that I'm on the same level as some of the genuinely really skilled youtubers and I'm just looking at them like dude do you hear how insane you sound right now
hearty nebula
darktide helps you out a bit
thorn sable
(its almost like fps games were originally designed to be played on a computer!!...
With a totally different method and no mouse
river jackal
Tbh that's probably why I don't feel it so much, Rumbler and Shield both don't require an insane amount of accuracy
If I aim in a reapers general direction it dies
gray ice
Exactly
hearty nebula
With a totally different method and no mouse
mice came on pretty early in terms of like input method for FPS games
thorn sable
Descent was very tricky to play back in the day
hearty nebula
like doom & wolfenstein were definitely not
gray ice
This ain't really csgo
thorn sable
mice came on pretty early in terms of like input method for FPS games
None of the early ones used it
hearty nebula
but basically everything after quake & hl1 has keyboard & mouse in mind
gray ice
So precise aim is not a requirement usually
river jackal
When I used revolver for the first time I noticed it because I wiffed a few shots I was sure were dead on
hearty nebula
but you're also not going to be seeing modern original doom players rocking purely keyboard controls
thorn sable
but you're also not going to be seeing modern original doom players rocking pure...
Not anymore, we’re too old now 😂
hearty nebula
yeah
thorn sable
But for a long time all keyboard was superior and something people asked for
gray ice
The playing field is fairly equal now, controller inputs are kept in mind when developing
river jackal
I'm basically too old to move over to KBM now
hearty nebula
The playing field is fairly equal now, controller inputs are kept in mind when d...
yeah, we're not saying they aren't
river jackal
Played on controller for 18 years
gray ice
It's mostly pc master race players that can't stfu who usually bring up the controller vs. Kbm thing now
gray ice
yeah, we're not saying they aren't
What, yea I know that I'm just talkin mane
Not debating anyone lol
hearty nebula
but i'd rather kill myself than play a platformer with a keyboard and mouse
lmao
that shit needs a controller
thorn sable
I mostly don’t like console players because they tend to be relentless shitheads in voice chat
I don’t care about controller
river jackal
It's mostly pc master race players that can't stfu who usually bring up the cont...
I had that argument before from someone who was saying they played on KBM and so I wouldn't understand what they meant as they were on PC
Then they found out that not only was I on PC but mine was better 💀
gray ice
but it's also just kind of silly to deny that controllers aren't on par
Honestly you know whats hilarious about this now
river jackal
People are stupid man
hearty nebula
I mostly don’t like console players because they tend to be relentless shitheads...
every time i get killed by some twerp on cod i have to resist the urge to put on the mic and let them know how halo & cod lobbies sounded back in the day
gray ice
The massive uproar on apex and shit with kbm players calling controller overpowered
What a time that was
hearty nebula
The massive uproar on apex and shit with kbm players calling controller overpowe...
ok if you want this arguement
you look at destiny 2 pvp
it is actually fucking insane the amount of magnetism controller input gives you on that game
gray ice
ok if you want this arguement
I do not 
river jackal
every time i get killed by some twerp on cod i have to resist the urge to put on...
If we ever had classic cod lobby antics these days everyone involved would be on their way to Guantanamo
gray ice
The D2 sandbox
thorn sable
Meanwhile us late 80s pk mud enjoyers were always polite as we stripped another player’s corpse of all their gear and set them back a few levels 😂
gray ice
Is an abyss
gray ice
as actually arguing about it
Ikik jokes
river jackal
Destiny 2 was a mistake
hearty nebula
If we ever had classic cod lobby antics these days everyone involved would be on...
lmfao right
hearty nebula
Destiny 2 was a mistake
agreed
they should go update destiny 1 instead
because destiny 3 prototypes got shelved like a year or two ago
gray ice
But like also console kinda needed it, did you ever notice that weapons on PC have literally no recoil compared to console
thorn sable
Death in modern games is so painless and the bitching about it so extreme
hearty nebula
i wonder how many people here unironically believe that i hate noobs
gray ice
On console shit jumped like a disobedient mule
hearty nebula
probably not many
gray ice
I didn't realize that console weapons had ENTIRELY different recoil patterns than pc counterparts
hearty nebula
but some people unironically get their panties in such a twist over being called noob... like its fine to be a noob
potent gate
it is actually fucking insane the amount of magnetism controller input gives you...
And yet halo is somehow worse
hearty nebula
And yet halo is somehow worse
i haven't played halo in forever
and i refuse to touch infinite
gray ice
I haven't played a lick of infinite
potent gate
You're not missing much
gray ice
And I wanted to at one point
potent gate
343 just were not it
hearty nebula
i cant really judge people who just play infinite
cause the multiplayer (pvp at least) is f2p
river jackal
I stopped playing Halo after Reach
hearty nebula
but i've been playing warframe since i've been 15 years old lmfao
river jackal
I stopped playing at the peak
river jackal
but i've been playing warframe since i've been 15 years old lmfao
My first paycheck went on Rhino prime 😭
hearty nebula
that game had some rough spots for sure but i love it
hearty nebula
My first paycheck went on Rhino prime 😭
bro that era between the plains of eidolon & the new war
was kind of just
hot fucking ass ngl
i hated all the open world shit
so much
potent gate
I've only played about 300/400h on Warframe but I've gotten to the point that I don't like it somehow
river jackal
Warframe and I have been uh
hearty nebula
on and off?
river jackal
Back and forth over the years yeah
hearty nebula
me too
yeah lol
I basically dropped the game for the most part up until Angels of Zariman
river jackal
Though it's an unbalanced unchallenging mess
hearty nebula
only logged in occasionally to grab new frames & stuff
gray ice
Waframe is the ex you keep getting back together with because you know they'll take you even if the relationship isn't healthy
river jackal
So my interest burns out fast each time
river jackal
My Rhino build is at the point where like
hearty nebula
it's a good dopamine rush when you're just tired of everything else
hearty nebula
i think my nidus build has like
river jackal
I rarely even get shot at
hearty nebula
1600 armor or some shit
river jackal
And every time I blink
hearty nebula
bro is literally incapable of dying once you reach 10 stacks
gray ice
My protea was pretty unkillable
oak lance
its the dodging for me tbh or should i say the jumping since on controller theyre the same
hearty nebula
don't you mean overguard
river jackal
Yeah OG
lean cairn
will this spawn grab hit me?
river jackal
I just call it health
hearty nebula
that's fair
river jackal
Feels the same
river jackal
But yeah I've had it go over 2 billion
hearty nebula
also not really because overguard doesn't benefit from DR sources
so if a frame has like any overguard producing capabilities
armor becomes useless
river jackal
However
hearty nebula
because armor only affects actual HP
river jackal
The other thing with Rhino and 2bOG
Is that you use stomp augment
To just refresh hundreds of millions of OG
For 1 cast
hearty nebula
yep lmao
limber sparrow
what are generally the most preferred curio perk bonuses?
thorn sable
will this spawn grab hit me?
He’s prepping the hentai simulator for you as we speak
river jackal
You know now that I think about it
hearty nebula
what are generally the most preferred curio perk bonuses?
toughness, cdr, stamina regen, and health
river jackal
Maybe Rhino is why I prefer Ogryn
hearty nebula
those are usually the top 4
river jackal
Always liked being the big man
hearty nebula
and it's good to have a mix of all of them
river jackal
Nice damage Shouty
hearty nebula
im only little nooby
but not mega nooby
its shocking how much i've improved over the course of how long i've played this game lmao
i think vt2 helped whipping me into shape with learning dodges
thorn sable
VT2 bored me out of the franchise
limber sparrow
toughness, cdr, stamina regen, and health
right now i've stuffed them all with stamina regen and sprint efficiency. Is there any point to toughness regen bonus?
thorn sable
Quick play was literally just Horn of Magnus simulator
limber sparrow
or just use flat toughness?
hearty nebula
I will learn how to play something that isn't Ogryn
veteran's probably a good one to start with since all the rest of the classes play way differently to ogryn
thorn sable
People doing the same shit the same way every match for years
hearty nebula
and they have better on-demand utility tools than zealot for ohshit moments imo
gray ice
right now i've stuffed them all with stamina regen and sprint efficiency. Is the...
Use flat toughness, if you have stamina regen get rid of Sprint efficiency
hearty nebula
toughness regen only applies to coherency regen
which doesn't work in combat
unless you take EWEW
which is a dog perk
gray ice
No u
limber sparrow
coherency regen will not trigger when you are not taking damage?
frozen trench
i think vt2 helped whipping me into shape with learning dodges
Vt2 my beloved
thorn sable
Toughness regen speed is bad on zealot but solid on ogryn
frozen trench
Trail by fire was playing BH, Shade, and huntsmen
limber sparrow
I thought it could still activate still as long as you are not taking hits
gray ice
coherency regen will not trigger when you are not taking damage?
Coherency regen is when you're near team-mates and is passive toughness regen
frozen trench
If you can dodge a one hit, you’re training well
hearty nebula
coherency regen will not trigger when you are not taking damage?
no
if any enemy is targeting you/in proximity or you're being shot at
limber sparrow
ah okay, I did not realize it was enemy proximity that disabled the effect
frozen trench
It’s a radius around the enemy? And once you’re in it, it will stop regen
gray ice
It’s a radius around the enemy? And once you’re in it, it will stop regen
It's a radius around you but same difference
hearty nebula
thats why we usually just take raw toughness & hp
misty nova
Auric CIVI is up
frozen trench
50%-75% increase
hearty nebula
cdr and stamina regen are very nice as well
frozen trench
cdr and stamina regen are very nice as well
My beloved 2 stats
misty nova
Queueing with a Hsword 
frozen trench
Gotta blast forces god hand mix
gray ice
I've just had tough/hp/Gunner resist for the longest time
frozen trench
Nvm read hsword as relic blade
limber sparrow
is cdr really that impactful? I have always rolled off of it because I did not think it would make to much of a difference
frozen trench
12% is more uptime
gray ice
To me personally it's not worth unless you stack 3 and stacking 3 ain't worth for me
hearty nebula
yummers
thorn sable
Shaving seconds off a crucial ability activation is more valuable than any of the passive resist options
gray ice
Maybe now in certain circumstances, but that little cdr was never really worth it
We have options opened up now due to Gunner changes
thorn sable
In an absolute sense no, compared to other options yes imo
frozen trench
A man who sleeps with a gun is a fool every night but one
thorn sable
Gunner resist is total worthless for example
river jackal
Toughness regen speed is bad on zealot but solid on ogryn
TRG I thought was shit for Ogryn
Then I actually used it
Now I refuse to take it off
gray ice
Yea that's fairly recent
thorn sable
TRG I thought was shit for Ogryn
Then I actually used it
Now I refuse to take ...
Yeah is surprisingly good
frozen trench
Gunner resist lets me have a lot of fun melee rushing a swamp of gunners
limber sparrow
ends up being like 3.6 second reduction? I have it off cooldown before that long in many instances already, so I am not sure if I want to take that
frozen trench
Mfw I die and die in the worst place possible
gray ice
Gunner resist was a a necessity for most of this game's lifespan lol
thorn sable
Disagree
lament blaze
Gunner resist feels really nice for going unga bunga mode
thorn sable
It was always pretty bad
gray ice
Uhh, no not really Gunner resist was a staple for a very long time
thorn sable
Not for any math reason
frozen trench
Uhh, no not really Gunner resist was a staple for a very long time
Bro really said
frozen trench
Dodge sliding my beloved
Shoot em before they shoot my beloved
Quick swap snipe my beloved
thorn sable
Ogryn is comically reliant on move tech
gray ice
Being able to survive multiple seconds longer under heavy Gunner fire I feel like I'd consider a math reason
Doesn't matter as much anymore tho
thorn sable
Being able to survive multiple seconds longer under heavy Gunner fire I feel lik...
You shouldn’t be standing there taking it in the first place
river jackal
Honestly with
+Tough
+Tough Regen
+Gunner resist
hearty nebula
the reason why gunner resist was a thing for such a long time isn't because you'd just stand there etc
river jackal
On 2x toughness 1x health
river jackal
I'm fine with it
thorn sable
you were fucked
Which it didn’t help with
hearty nebula
because they'd basically just stunlock you to death and you couldn't even FOTF out of it, let alone dodge
gray ice
You shouldn’t be standing there taking it in the first place
I mean I don't but we aren't gonna pretend that you can Dodge every single thing in the game
frozen trench
Tbh I ran CDR, Sprint Efficiency, and Stamina regen a big portion of my starting with the game
Movement shooter 🙂
gray ice
So if you get the 40 Gunner card deployed against you, some safety ain't bad
river jackal
I might on Ogryn
Go for like
2x tough 1x health*
3x tough
3x tough regen
3x stam regen
hearty nebula
some might call me scrunkly for this
river jackal
Maybe
gray ice
but i run 1 toughness 2 health on my zealot
I ran 3 hp all the time back in the day buddy
Do you
river jackal
I mean I guess if you wanted you could do like
hearty nebula
its like whatever though because you get toughness out the ass with zealot from melee combat
so as long as you don't get slapped too much
you're golden
river jackal
3x health marty bfte
limber sparrow
I've got stamina regeneration and toughness, but I am still not really sure what would be best to take over sprinting efficiency.
river jackal
But that would be pretty cringe
frozen trench
Damn, I feel naked without second wind
hearty nebula
i don't run marty because it's
meh
for what you have to do to get the most out of it
gray ice
I've got stamina regeneration and toughness, but I am still not really sure what...
Anything unironically
hearty nebula
IJ is just more consistent & has infinitely less risk
thorn sable
I've got stamina regeneration and toughness, but I am still not really sure what...
CDR is better than sprint eff but IMO both are good active options
runic grotto
I've got stamina regeneration and toughness, but I am still not really sure what...
Block efficiency
river jackal
I am yet to find what really gels with me on Zealot
gray ice
Take a sniper resist and 2 cdrs lol
thorn sable
This is a game about movement
thorn sable
Being able to move more is everything
hearty nebula
I've got stamina regeneration and toughness, but I am still not really sure what...
health or CDR
frozen trench
Oh yeah
hearty nebula
stamina regen is just ass because by the time you need it you've already regenerated it in combat
even without the regen perks
frozen trench
5% toughness never hurt anyone
gray ice
IJ is just more consistent & has infinitely less risk
Yes but swinging my relic blade like a dclaw and my dclaw like a knife is very fun
runic grotto
I use push a lot, so stamina regen decreses my pushes downtime by a lot
Stamina regen is so good
river jackal
@hearty nebula I think the best question to ask you would be this
What endgame setup for Zealot would you most recommend for someone used to Ogryn and only Ogryn? Like, talents, weapons and all
limber sparrow
Block efficiency
I feel like I do not block enough to actually have a significant boost from block effeciency
hearty nebula
I use push a lot, so stamina regen decreses my pushes downtime by a lot
i meant sprint efficiency
lmfao
thorn sable
Pushing and push attacks are goated
frozen trench
Love me the mk2 rb with the two light overheads into insta block cancel to chain into another two fast light overheads
hearty nebula
stamina regen is goated
frozen trench
Pushing and push attacks are goated
Crusher is a monster with this
hearty nebula
best perk for soyker too
runic grotto
I feel like I do not block enough to actually have a significant boost from bloc...
I rarely need efficiency, but when I need it boy am I glad I have it
It saves my ass rarely but so well
frozen trench
That crusher push attack finesse modifier nutty
limber sparrow
I rarely need efficiency, but when I need it boy am I glad I have it
what are you needing to block that it actually ends up being helpful?
thorn sable
Rager blobs mid combo
frozen trench
Revives, but one would argue just take revive speed
thorn sable
Sometimes they spawn on you
runic grotto
Block efficency helps you get out of awful situations like getting surrounded
thorn sable
Other times you turn around and see the fuck train won’t stop
frozen trench
I love and hate revive speed, one is preparing for failure, but damn is it ever handy to pick up the slack
runic grotto
Block, push, slide and try to chop your way out to a better position from being completely surrounded
And block efficency helps immensly in these moments
thorn sable
Exactly
river jackal
Fellas
Crusher good?
frozen trench
Yes
runic grotto
I love crusher
thorn sable
Getting out of a shit sandwich is what matters most
runic grotto
It's really good
frozen trench
My fav mix up combo heavy melee
river jackal
Crusher + Revolver
Crusher + Bolter
Crusher + Flamer
?
frozen trench
Bolt pistol with lethal proximity applies to crusher special
runic grotto
Crusher + bolter
stone fern
Fellas
Crusher good?
everything is good aside from shredder, lasgun, and shockmaul
runic grotto
Crusher doesn't have amazing crusher clear or monstosity damage so I like bolter
hearty nebula
Bolt pistol with lethal proximity applies to crusher special
nope
this got patched
stone fern
Crusher + Revolver
Crusher + Bolter
Crusher + Flamer
?
bolter for the nice boss damage
frozen trench
I’m killing mysef
limber sparrow
ill move away from the perks for a moment, what blessings would you suggest?
frozen trench
It’s so fucking over
river jackal
Is Crusher good into ragers?
misty nova
Is Crusher good into ragers?
Yeah
river jackal
I'm assuming you just special and stagger tf out of them?
runic grotto
ill move away from the perks for a moment, what blessings would you suggest?
For what?
limber sparrow
curios
frozen trench
still works on grenades
I’ve never seen such bullshit before in my life
hearty nebula
I’ve never seen such bullshit before in my life
yep lmao
fast iron
Bolt pistol with lethal proximity applies to crusher special
Power Surge does tho(but is trash otherwise and doesn't even trigger)
runic grotto
I just run 3 toughness or 2 toughness 1 health
undone pewter
I just played with someone wallhacking I think very strange experience
runic grotto
Health also buffs holy revenant so it's more valuable then usual
hearty nebula
frozen trench
I just played with someone wallhacking I think very strange experience
Now that’s just sad
runic grotto
I always take 3 wounds for marty, but I know some people stop at 2 and take more toughness
fast iron
1 health is more a veteran/psyker thing imo, to get to 201+ health for breakpoints. Zealot should already reach that?
hearty nebula
I just played with someone wallhacking I think very strange experience
lmfao what
fast iron
I just played with someone wallhacking I think very strange experience
are we talking about for specials cause I know that's a thing
hearty nebula
i don't
gray ice
I always take 3 wounds for marty, but I know some people stop at 2 and take more...
These people are WRONG
hearty nebula
comprehend why someone would wallhack in dt
fast iron
but also you can do that with sound anyway so
runic grotto
These people are WRONG
I agree
stone fern
I always take 3 wounds for marty, but I know some people stop at 2 and take more...
they are WRONG your options are 2 wounds 1 stam or 3 wounds
limber sparrow
I was using 1 toughness, 1 health, and 1 stamina for awhile, but I was thinking of swapping to 2 toughness and 1 stamina. is there any reason that stamina is bad?
hearty nebula
but also you can do that with sound anyway so
sound queues in this game are a lifesaver, i just hope they fix whatever the fuck is wrong with audio playback in this game
stone fern
1 stam only for weapons with ass stamina
undone pewter
Now that’s just sad
It was so weird! VoC plasma vet I'm like whatever he has some weird chat bind constantly spamming stuff. Annoying but ill live.
Then we get to a airlock door (whatever) and he stands outside it shooting through. Aiming at things and constantly killing specials.
hearty nebula
because it straight up doesn't play some sounds if there's too much shit going on
runic grotto
I think crusher has okay stamina?
hearty nebula
there's no like, sound priority system i think
thorn sable
because it straight up doesn't play some sounds if there's too much shit going o...
Some rooms also cut off sound going in/out
fast iron
or like basic game sense. There are three lanes enemies will come from in darktide. Main, left, and right.
gray ice
they are WRONG your options are 2 wounds 1 stam or 3 wounds
WRONG 3 wounds only get that stam nonsense outta my Christian chat
fast iron
Main is for the horde, while left and right are flankers like specials and ranged enemies.
runic grotto
I never take stamina on zealot, I only ever take stamina on psyker
thorn sable
For instance there is a transition room in metal fab where you cannot hear any sins happening in the room unless you are in it and VV
hearty nebula
or like basic game sense. There are three lanes enemies will come from in darkti...
🤓
stone fern
WRONG 3 wounds only get that stam nonsense outta my Christian chat
crusher needs stamina
gray ice
My phone probably autocorrects WRONG to be all caps at this point
stone fern
dont at me!!
hearty nebula
my favorite thing in this game is getting pox bombered while in the dark communion cutscene
gray ice
dont at me!!
@
hearty nebula
@stone fern
thorn sable
My team was battling a captain in the transition room and I literally heard not a sound and thought no baddies present
fast iron
So once you see the horde and the direction they're in, look around. You'll see easily the two other lanes enemies will come in, and if you're not chewing through the horde you can focus on it.
limber sparrow
what is considered bad stamina on a weapon?
hearty nebula
what is considered bad stamina on a weapon?
wym
gray ice
what is considered bad stamina on a weapon?
Hwat
runic grotto
idk, like less than 5?
limber sparrow
1 stam only for weapons with ass stamina
this
hearty nebula
most weapons don't need you going out of your way to have more stamina
fast iron
sound queues in this game are a lifesaver, i just hope they fix whatever the fuc...
so one of the problems I had was 5.1 surround sound when my rear speakers cut out for a bit that resulted in no audio there
stone fern
its not just for revives crusher likes PAs
fast iron
you may want to make sure you have proper sound set up for your speaker setup
stone fern
idk man i kept failing revives i usually got with crusher
i dont feel comfy playing it without stamina
gray ice
Dclaw and crusher have special actions or combos that use more stamina, so you can take more stam to liberally abuse that kinda stuff
I use crusher with and without stam curio, mainly without
stone fern
stmina within... stamina without 🫡
gray ice
It doesn't really hamper you, but if you want more push attacks you get that option
fast iron
btw zealot has 75% sprint speed on no stamina, like ogryn. And 3 base pips, the second highest(below ogryn). why you need stamina
gray ice
Gotta play weapons and see how they feel for you
thorn sable
btw zealot has 75% sprint speed on no stamina, like ogryn. And 3 base pips, the ...
Because running out of stam is literally death
limber sparrow
I just feel like I need it sometimes
acoustic dune
zealot gaming
fast iron
you have 0.75s stamina delay and the highest bloody stamina Regen in the game
gray ice
Good luck running out of stam
thorn sable
And I want more
fast iron
what do you even need to use stamina for more often than 0.75s
thorn sable
A lot surprisingly
Pushing, dodging, PA, sprinting to reposition, holding off rager blobs
runic grotto
I always take at least 2 stamina regen and 1 block efficiency
gray ice
Dodging doesn't take stam
runic grotto
Stamina is goated
hearty nebula
you have 0.75s stamina delay and the highest bloody stamina Regen in the game
i thought soyker had faster stamina regen
fast iron
Pushing, dodging, PA, sprinting to reposition, holding off rager blobs
dodging don't take stamina?
gray ice
Unless you put it there cuz it'll stop stam regen for a sec
fast iron
i thought soyker had faster stamina regen
they do which gives them infinite stamina
runic grotto
i thought soyker had faster stamina regen
I think psyker has the lowest delay
thorn sable
dodging don't take stamina?
🤷♀️ sometimes it sure looks like it
limber sparrow
it prevents stamina from recharging though
runic grotto
Is it literally 0?
spare dome
0.5
hearty nebula
dodging is a seperate stat from stamina
gray ice
it prevents stamina from recharging though
It's for like .25 secs or sumn tho
spare dome
0.5
gray ice
Not enough to matter or get you killed or something
fast iron
zealot can sprint at -25% sprint speed boost with higher than normal sprint so
thorn sable
If you are zero stam from sprinting and turn corner into multiple bad dudes that tiny fraction of time feels like a lot
limber trellis
Pushing, dodging, PA, sprinting to reposition, holding off rager blobs
Dodging doesnt use stamina......................
gray ice
I have 1400 hours I can probably count on one hand the amount of times i've been out of stamina such that it directly resulted in my death
thorn sable
I like that everyone focused on the same thing in that line
limber trellis
People like to tout stamina as a huge thing but it isnt... dodge better lmao
thorn sable
Saved me having to respond
thorn sable
People like to tout stamina as a huge thing but it isnt... dodge better lmao
If I could stack dodge curio I would
gray ice
I like that everyone focused on the same thing in that line
Because the rest you can do on base stam and still be fine, gotta make sure people know the right stuff
thorn sable
In a heartbeat
gray ice
Some knowledge just too esoteric
fast iron
also you can dodge into a slide
gray ice
And misinformation spreads quickly
spare dome
dodging is a full reset of stam regen delay
gray ice
also you can dodge into a slide
This is why numeric ui should be base imo
limber sparrow
between shoving, sprinting and the regen being stopped by dodge, It wears out over time and the extra bit gives me more freedom to spend it without having to worry about using too much
gray ice
Took me a while to realize Dodge sliding took 2 charges
spare dome
between shoving, sprinting and the regen being stopped by dodge, It wears out ov...
also why i use sprint eff
gray ice
between shoving, sprinting and the regen being stopped by dodge, It wears out ov...
Ye at the end of the day use what comfy to you
fast iron
also when I think about it yeah actually dodging afaik costs exactly 0 stamina
gray ice
also why i use sprint eff
Except this don't do this
fast iron
and 0 stamina cost is enough to reset delay
thorn sable
I pug the highest diff with no mods so my margins for survival are a lot lower than people who play with spidey sense, dodge counter, spawn tracker and an arranged team
spare dome
sprint eff is goated
thorn sable
So I like having a lot of stam and a lot of stam regen
gray ice
He lied as easily as he breathed
fast iron
Except this don't do this <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
jokes on you gonna use my 80% mobility knife with all sprint efficiency on curios
limber trellis
I pug the highest diff with no mods so my margins for survival are a lot lower t...
Lol
fast iron
nyooooooom
hearty nebula
sprint eff is goated
fast iron
I pug the highest diff with no mods so my margins for survival are a lot lower t...
all of those can be done without mods :x
hearty nebula
is this like the equivelant of a redditor upvoting your post or something
begone redditor
gray ice
jokes on you gonna use my 80% mobility knife with all sprint efficiency on curio...
Jesus walked on water so your zealot could run
hearty nebula
gray ice
He didn't need Sprint eff tho
gray ice
In sandals
fast iron
He didn't need Sprint eff tho
look while you can just use slide tech I ain't got fingers for that ok
spare dome
maybe if he did he couldve dodged those romans
fast iron
also after toughness I got two other modifiers that don't matter too much so
fast iron
maybe if he did he couldve dodged those romans
nah he tanked those Romans to power up martyr
got three permanent wounds out of the deal too
gray ice
His squad took 3 days to rescue him
violet hornet
There's a name from the forbidden archives
yeah cab was the shit
fast iron
read that as cool cub at first
gray ice
Had many late night music chats with cab
I stopped turning this place into a music club past 3 am
limber sparrow
is the reason people saying no to sprinting efficiency due to the fact that they are using fury of the faithful to close distance?
north sedge
Cab was cool until he started melting down over the impending patch 13
gray ice
is the reason people saying no to sprinting efficiency due to the fact that they...
No it's just not worth the slot
Regardless
You already have stam regen
violet hornet
Cab was cool until he started melting down over the impending patch 13
yeah that was odd, still not sure why he thought it was that big of a deal
gray ice
I don't think I was here for that
north sedge
I don't think I was here for that
He thought p13 was a horrible idea and they were ruining the game
gray ice
Didn't know there were those upset the game got better
violet hornet
I remember being legitimately concerned for maybe an hour before I read the patchnotes fully and switched to being excited
fast iron
isn't it lovely when people internalize shit gameplay as good, actually
thorn sable
all of those can be done without mods :x
Me carefully echo locating specials by literally turning my character is not comparable to a mod that screams NET or CLEAVE or DOG when it is time to dodge 😂 like yeah you can do it, it’s just a LOT harder. Same with spawn tracker. I can hear some specials but I don’t get any notification that two dozen ragers have spawned unlike the mod users.
north sedge
It wasn't based in anything, just weird hyper anxiety
thorn sable
Dodge tracker should be part of the game tho, it is just bs that it isn’t
north sedge
Plus he left over the darcy ban