#zealot-class

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tepid sorrel
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Death

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hearty nebula
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god i fucking hate zoomers

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also agreed

hearty nebula
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kill them all with hammers

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execution for each and every one

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jagged cradle
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hearty nebula
jagged cradle
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go watch cocomelon or something

jagged cradle
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I’m literally in college

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jagged cradle
delicate shadow
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sentenced to move to ohio

hearty nebula
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i’m hungry

hearty nebula
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i was thinking that

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lmfao

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i bought my friend 3 skibidi toilet figurines for his bday

hearty nebula
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the internet was fucking

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wild

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i don’t think he liked them

jagged cradle
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Evil…

hearty nebula
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im pretty sure i saw happy tree friends

hard nexus
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shockingly …

hearty nebula
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when i was like

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9 years old

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💀

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my brother showed me

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something

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what was it

hearty nebula
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was it madness

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when i was super young

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madness combat?

hearty nebula
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yea

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no that shit is peak

hearty nebula
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madness combat is peak

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and the game ost is fucking straight heat

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buoyant pecan
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The memories

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I should rewatch that shit

hearty nebula
jagged cradle
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What is madness combat?

hearty nebula
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fucking

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peak

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buoyant pecan
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drowsy steppe
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sticking out your gyatt for the rizzler

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youre so skibidi

hearty nebula
drowsy steppe
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youre so fanum tax

hearty nebula
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it even has a holiday on newgrounds

copper hawk
buoyant pecan
delicate shadow
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ok maybe I'm clocking myself here but

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who remembers Xiao-Xiao?

jagged cradle
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hearty nebula
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i think i've heard of it?

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but idk what it is

buoyant pecan
delicate shadow
buoyant pecan
delicate shadow
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this was like, peak YT back in da day

hard nexus
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I RMEMEBER THIS

hearty nebula
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OH yeah xiao xiao

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That shit was fucking peak

drowsy steppe
hearty nebula
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We all loved stick fighting vids growing up lol

hard nexus
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stick fighting videos are so fucking peak

delicate shadow
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y'know

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yomi hustle is also peak

hearty nebula
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YOMI Hustle is like the perfect love letter to it

buoyant pecan
hearty nebula
hard nexus
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LMFAO

buoyant pecan
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He just got caught is all

delicate shadow
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tru

buoyant pecan
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Like Diddy, he has merely disguised his true nature in plain sight.

opaque island
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i suck at yomi hustle, but i love yomi hustle

hard nexus
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that’s how i am with all RTS games too

buoyant pecan
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Shaolin Showdown

hard nexus
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i loooove rts but im so bad

hearty nebula
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i will never play an rts

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i lack the uh

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hearty nebula
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"capabilities"

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to play it

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hearty nebula
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skill issue

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hearty nebula
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they shouldve just dodged

obsidian prairie
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Compelling my cat to purr with my foul magics

delicate shadow
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best rts

obsidian prairie
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(I literally just pointed my palm at her menacingly)

hearty nebula
delicate shadow
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it is

hearty nebula
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but i got that shit in my playlist

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delicate shadow
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so good

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so suiciding your Czar over an enemy base

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was and is a very viable option

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delicate shadow
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C&C

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ohg

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never did end up playing it

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sadly

vague depot
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In vermintide bots will throw away their lives to rescue you why do darktide bots literally not care

delicate shadow
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ur in a penal legion dude

obsidian prairie
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They try

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They try their best

copper hawk
obsidian prairie
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My cat is so fucking stupid

copper hawk
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Yo mama ,,

delicate shadow
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beloved

hearty nebula
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idk why spotify aint embedding

delicate shadow
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yeee the OST is amazing

hearty nebula
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gotta post the peak of an era

obsidian prairie
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This is not what I'd expect of Armored Core

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Still fun

hearty nebula
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anything before AC6

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has an insanely different soundtrack style

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they're way more electronic

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& experimental

obsidian prairie
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I haven't even played 6

nimble fiber
hearty nebula
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TARGET VERIFIED

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COMMENCING HOSTILITIES

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this fucking cunt

obsidian prairie
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Gundam looking ass

hearty nebula
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imagine barely fucking scraping past the fight with this guy (he's brutally difficult)

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you go to the next

delicate shadow
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nah I'd win

hearty nebula
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room

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AND THERE'S TWO FUCKING MORE OF HIM

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BECAUSE YOU DONT IMAGINE

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fuck nine-ball

obsidian prairie
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Well at least you're good at the game now

hearty nebula
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im glad they didnt put him in ac6

silver stag
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Lol

hearty nebula
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fuck that piece of shit robot

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absolute cuntwad

silver stag
hearty nebula
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and soon-ish

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at least before 2030 lol

obsidian prairie
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Nope, fuck you

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Next AC entry is the actual suit

hearty nebula
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wym by actual suit

obsidian prairie
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The armored core

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As an actual vehicle

hearty nebula
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u makin no sense

obsidian prairie
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The big fucking robot

hearty nebula
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AC's arent robots they're piloted

obsidian prairie
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Yes

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I know

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The next installment of the series is piloting one

hearty nebula
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thats... every game tho

obsidian prairie
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As an actual vehicle in real life

hearty nebula
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unless you mean like

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mech warrior

obsidian prairie
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This went so far over your head I hit a fucking plane

hearty nebula
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yea u mean mech warrior

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idk how they'd do that

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considering that most ac pilots are like

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lobotomized and wired into the robot directly with their nerves

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lol

obsidian prairie
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Yeah

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Price of admition

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Inflation see

hearty nebula
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and also it would be insanely weird to play something so fast paced in any sort of "first person" context

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unless you're like

obsidian prairie
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Alright

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Let me start over

hearty nebula
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some schizo ultrakill enjoyer

obsidian prairie
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And explain the entire joke like some reddit asshole

zinc talon
hearty nebula
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if you need to explain it then it's not funny in the first place

obsidian prairie
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Yeah

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Doing it anyway

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I can no longer be stopped

hearty nebula
obsidian prairie
zinc talon
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I am flabbergasted

tepid sorrel
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kitbashing is a hell of a drug

zinc talon
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somebody finally out stupid-ed me

obsidian prairie
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The joke was if it was going to take so long for them to make another game they might as well make an actual armored core and have that be the next game

zinc talon
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I take that as a direct threat and challenge to my authority

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fires of rubicon isn't an actual armored core?

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I prolly got here way too late

obsidian prairie
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A physical suit made of actual metal

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In the real world

tepid sorrel
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okri are you okay

hearty nebula
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but u have to fund it

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and be patient zero

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(aka die horrifically)

zinc talon
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I set down to eat my lunch at like2

hearty nebula
zinc talon
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and woke up 15 minutes ago

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I'm still catching up to what decade it is

hearty nebula
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actually

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never mind

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they shouldnt make armored cores

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they should make NEXTs from AC4A

zinc talon
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they should make armored pants and arms exac-

hearty nebula
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because they shit out so much radiation that any area they fight in becomes uninhabitable

tepid sorrel
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a NEXT is still an armored core

zinc talon
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oh

hearty nebula
tepid sorrel
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no

hearty nebula
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yes

obsidian prairie
hearty nebula
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they're like AC's on fucking steroids

tepid sorrel
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i want to break your bones

zinc talon
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I vaaaaaaaaguely remember NEXTs

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they were just the game's bugaboo

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you, but better, but you're you but they're b- and so on

frosty herald
hearty nebula
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tl;dr NEXTs use fancy reactors that shit out extremely radioactive "kojima particles" that are just like

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mega pollution

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to the point that it can cause desertification

zinc talon
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yisss that's what I remember

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terrible horrible waste

frosty herald
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The arks exist solely because the radiation is inhabitable because of NEXT radiation

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NEXTs are bigger stronger faster and better in every way to armored cores in every other game

hearty nebula
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comparing an AC to a NEXT is like comparing mobile suits to gundams from 00

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lol

zinc talon
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my work here is done

hearty nebula
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good job

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okri did something socially acceptable for once

nimble fiber
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queso

frosty herald
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Theres a reason why people want to fight a next in ac6

hearty nebula
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ACV did it first

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(we dont talk about ACV)

zinc talon
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we do not

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like we don't talk asbout the Krourk Stubber

hearty nebula
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fun to mention

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this is within the scale of kilometers by the way

zinc talon
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the gorgonum is the responisble oldest child that always does good work
the achylis is the wild child youngest sibling that still has some growing up to do
the krourk is the rebellious middle child we locked in their room and then walled/painted over the door

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we don't talk about the krourk in polite company or at the dinner table

hearty nebula
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like they fought on the edge of a big city? get fucked a massive chunk of the city is just now completely uninhabitable

frosty herald
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Also the most realistic place to fight a next in ac6 would be ontop of the space laser

hearty nebula
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legit

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they're fucking massive

zinc talon
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the laser?

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oh btw

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explain the intro to ac5 to me

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the dude's on a ship, coming into rubicon

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and that thing he's coming in on looks like a ship

frosty herald
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The final boss arena for ending 1 and 3

zinc talon
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and it just gets completely balefired

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did some idiot just say yah, I'll ferry you in to my complete and total destruction good on ya buddy happy to do it

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also what don't you like about ac5

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I played maybe two hours of it, far enough to get to the big walking mining thing you blow up

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seemed snappy and fun and the graphics were good

hearty nebula
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and they also reach like what

zinc talon
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what was not to like?

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got rave reviews

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(I'm just trying to narrow down the ** YOU ** problem here)

hearty nebula
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top speed of 600km/h in AC6 or something

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.5 mach

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NEXTs go to like

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mach 2.5

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regularly

zinc talon
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oh goddamnit I am an idiot

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(you knew this)

hearty nebula
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yes

zinc talon
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I thought five was the newest title

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it is not. 6 is.

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I retract

hearty nebula
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5 is uh

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not bad

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but its definitely the black sheep

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that's about the nicest thing i can say about it

zinc talon
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so spoil the story for me

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is the coral back for good

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can they harvest it off rubicon and export it

hearty nebula
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i require elaboration

zinc talon
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I thought AC6 was all about the coral having been 'gone' or whatever for a while

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and then they found coral on rubicon

hearty nebula
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yeah that's the case

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but i don't know what you mean, like "back for good"?

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like do you mean in the future of the series? because i feel like AC6 wrapped up its story that it wanted to tell very well

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so i don't see them coming back to it for story purposes, it might just be a situation where every new AC game from here on out is it's own universe rather than like 2-3 games per generation

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though i wouldn't reject them coming back to visit it

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it'd just be weird since it just feels done & dusted

copper hawk
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ur smooth normal..

jagged cradle
copper hawk
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my biggest opp

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u hateth me..

placid fiber
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Interesting

copper hawk
placid fiber
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New information has been released

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It can only mean 1 thing...

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Cica...

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Hates me

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It's the only thing I can think of from such information

hearty nebula
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bumpy weird

copper hawk
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nop

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i took a nap

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i had to do pt

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2 sweaty and awakeful 2 eep.. yet..

placid fiber
hearty nebula
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yeah cuz ur noob

placid fiber
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tru

hearty nebula
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:3c

placid fiber
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cica's favorite snack. ^

copper hawk
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y do i live rent free in ur head

placid fiber
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cuz... it's empty

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so why would there be rent?

copper hawk
placid fiber
jagged cradle
placid fiber
hearty nebula
placid fiber
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Otherwise memes

placid fiber
hearty nebula
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shut

placid fiber
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I knew it, u hate pocahontas

zinc talon
placid fiber
zinc talon
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I'll read up on it so I'm not turning your hair white with inane questions

hearty nebula
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well

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i have bad news

copper hawk
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well

hearty nebula
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im going to bed lol

copper hawk
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i have good news

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im going to awake lol

hearty nebula
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nuh uh

placid fiber
hearty nebula
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im eeby

modern lintel
placid fiber
hearty nebula
placid fiber
copper hawk
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every MESSAGE

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u send

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has my name in it ,,

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this femboy isn't 4 sale !!

merry flume
modern lintel
copper hawk
placid fiber
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aw

placid fiber
hearty nebula
placid fiber
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In fact... it might make me smarter than I already am

frosty herald
placid fiber
copper hawk
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@hard nexus @stoic thunder

stoic thunder
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Why not send this in the groupchat lmao

copper hawk
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good

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question

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i am not very smart

placid fiber
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Aw man... I think I caught this one already...

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merry flume
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character development

frosty herald
merry flume
placid fiber
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I love pizza

hard nexus
placid fiber
hard nexus
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sry no boys allowed…

frosty herald
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Im a master at posting slop

hard nexus
hard nexus
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i love slop

placid fiber
frosty herald
placid fiber
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:/

hard nexus
hard nexus
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i finished frieren

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that shit is so peak

placid fiber
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I see

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Ah, I got the context I was missing with google

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hard nexus
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absolute cinema

placid fiber
hard nexus
placid fiber
copper hawk
placid fiber
frosty herald
placid fiber
hard nexus
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best signalis gif ever

hard nexus
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elf girl…

placid fiber
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wolp captured

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Moved to the meadow full of kfc

placid fiber
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:3

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it was that or the valley of fire

hard nexus
placid fiber
copper hawk
placid fiber
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they aren't very chatty tho

copper hawk
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go 2 bed dpw

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u r gettin terminal in this chatte..

hard nexus
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ur molded

placid fiber
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I was molded long before now lol

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I'm just eating rn before I go to bed x.x

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welp, off I go

copper hawk
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goo ni

muted pike
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Aight, help me brainstorm plz.

My favorite weapons in vermintide and other melee games were halberds/spears/billhooks/pikes/etc... there isnt that here.

What weapons have significant range in darktide?

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I liked tuskgor spear on kruber, halberd before that, and billhook on saltz

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Just having trouble finding a similar playstyle here

rocky marsh
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If you like poking stuff

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Ds4?

misty nova
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Or change to ogryn

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You can hook stuff with Borovian and Karsolas pickaxe

muted pike
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Well wait

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I just did some super basic testing

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Relic Blade has like 1m more range on its swings than the Evisc

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The evisc has barely more range than the fkn dueling sword

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Both are landing heavies from 3m+

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While Relic is somewhere around 4-5m

twilit otter
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Or relic blade

muted pike
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Dueling sword doesn't have the range I'm looking for

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Relic Sword is really close but not a fan of the mechanic

twilit otter
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The physical weapon isn't as long as a halberd, but it's heavy moveset feels really long range

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And with zealot charge you will really be reaching out and touching people

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If you want something that physically resembles a halberd, there is ogryn pickaxe

muted pike
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Well wait, the actual range of the dueling sword pokes is like 3m. It does have great mobility, but its also not what I'm looking for with horde control either

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Like, Tuskgor Spear and Billhook in vermintide both had range and access to wide sweeps

twilit otter
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If you want melee horde control then ostensibly you want ogryn

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Not saying zealot can't but ogryn lean toward that role heavily

muted pike
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Well, Relic Sword seems the closest I'll get then.

Legit landing weakspot hits from way out here

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I'll have to test the range of the force greatsword out on psyker

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Force GS is the same... hmm

twilit otter
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It has a ranged attack sweep

lean cairn
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god damn

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is this what the mission board is like in the morning

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i wanted to play but now i dont

lean fern
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you can have some histg as a treat

opaque island
vague depot
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Do monsters eventually stop you from progressing or can I just keep running until I can revive

hard nexus
vague depot
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Sick

copper hawk
twin wagon
ornate bone
twin wagon
ornate bone
copper hawk
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lmfao

delicate shadow
stone fern
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peak is calling

slate haven
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MY NAME IS JOHN MARSTON!!!1

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DOW NOW NOW NOW NA NOW NOW DA NOW NOW

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DUN DUN

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DOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NA NOW NOW DA NOW NOW

tame sluice
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only just noticed this tiny ass pistol in the stealth zealot artwork

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what is up with that thing

zealous basin
misty nova
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It's a concealment build

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Kek

placid fiber
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Ugh I woke up out of it and with a massive headache... not a very good combo x.x

limber sparrow
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What ranged weapons are good at damaging through carapace armor?

placid fiber
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bolter, revolver, flamer with penetrating flames(not as good as the previous 2)

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with bolter shattering impact with puncture and a 25% carapace perk, with revolver um.... I"m havin trouble remembering stuff atm but it's the rending on crit with surgical, and for the flamer it's penetrating flames and I think a 25% carapace perk

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I'm still out of it so I can't remember everything perfectly rn, but, I know most of the stuff on those 3 pretty well

limber sparrow
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Ill try them out, thank you

placid fiber
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for the flamer I'm not sure how well it works

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it's like 3 or 4 headshots on crushers with the bolter

limber sparrow
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ill probably try the bolter, I can kill them with a single heavy attack if I can backstab from stealth right now, but I cannot reliably trigger that against a big group of them

placid fiber
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Yeah without melee weapons specifically amazing vs carapace they can be rough to deal with in groups

limber sparrow
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yeah, 1-2 crushers usually not an issue at all, but my flamer is not great against them and I feel like I need an option for it in case the rest of my squad is lacking the ability to kill them efficiently

tame pumice
limber sparrow
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what stat is least needed for boltgun typically?

placid fiber
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mobility or collateral

tame pumice
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This is for the rifle but they come in tiny.

placid fiber
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so generally collateral is the one you want to dump

limber sparrow
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alright. Thank you

placid fiber
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as long as they have 1 of the 2

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unless they have collateral as well(not including brautos since collateral is stopping power on one of the mks)

limber sparrow
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actually just curious now, what do people normally drop for the knife? right now I have damage/finesse/first target/mobility/penetration at 80/80/76/73/71

tame pumice
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I find my boltgun dump depends on the class. I like dumping stab on zealot because I use cav/puncture and want it to spread. But I dump mobi on the vet because I use pinning fire on it and want as much stagger from collateral as I can.

placid fiber
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so if you want a knife you can use with or without uncanny, just do mobility

limber sparrow
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right now I have Ruthless Backstab and Riposte on mine because I am running it with blazing piety in and the backstab cooldown trigger to have stealth up as often as possible

placid fiber
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ruthless backstab is just conditional worse uncanny

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uncanny stacks on headshots up to 100%

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which with the knife you want to always get headshots anyway

limber sparrow
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do stacks reset if you miss a weakspot hit?

placid fiber
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it gives the ttk on crushers like... 0.5s pretty much

misty nova
placid fiber
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and it applies to throwing knives while your melee is out

limber sparrow
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ill probably try that out then . thank you

placid fiber
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Yep, melee and ranged blessings apply to it while your melee or ranged weapons are out

placid fiber
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and stacks with duelist

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for iirc up to +110% weakspot and crit damage

limber sparrow
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do backstabs count as weakspot, or are those calculated seperatly?

placid fiber
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weakspots are headshots pretty much

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the only real case this doesn't apply to is burgles

limber sparrow
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well reason being is that I am trying to trigger the cooldown effect from backstab kills as often as possible

placid fiber
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That happens more often than you realize anyway

frosty herald
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There is a mod to highlight when you are in a backshot position with the crossair

placid fiber
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weakspot attacks are more important than backstab kills for the knife

frosty herald
placid fiber
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or smthing crazy like that

limber sparrow
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finess effects crits too right?

placid fiber
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finesse is weakspot and crit

frosty herald
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Over 2.97x modifier on weakspot crit

placid fiber
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that's why both duelist and precog, that increase finesse damage, give weakspot damage and crit damage

limber sparrow
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I do not have duelist in my build. I do not think I can really make it work in quite the same way and incude it

spare talon
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If it's a crit/finesse weapon (I think you're using knife right cuz you're talking about backstabs)

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It's only gets better

limber sparrow
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the point of the build is to be able to trigger stealth as often as possible. right now I can reactivate stealth before the effects from invigorating revelation have expired

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not all the time, but pretty reliably during large fights

spare talon
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It is worth noting that the longer you're invis, the more pressure and aggro is on your team

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It's possible that it could actually be making the situation worse more than it's helping if you're invis most of the time

placid fiber
frosty herald
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Increase duelist time to 4 secs

spare talon
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It's already overpowered as it is

frosty herald
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Shush mr malice playtester

limber sparrow
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I am doing this right now

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tame sluice
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as a weapon

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that you can use

placid fiber
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eh with piety?

spare talon
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Iod is all the cdr you'll need

frosty herald
vagrant spruce
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did you follow a youtuber build where in the comments he gets roasted for not taking duelist?

placid fiber
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with piety I'd say something more like this

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vagrant spruce
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i checked it out and saw the comments and decided duelist would work better for me

placid fiber
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but that's just with twbs

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otherwise this

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limber sparrow
placid fiber
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Wow that build is poor

spare talon
limber sparrow
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has worked pretty well so far

modern lintel
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no duelist into the meat grinder with you

spare talon
placid fiber
#

^

frosty herald
placid fiber
#

not to mention loner just sucks ass

frosty herald
#

The pathing isnt bad

spare talon
# spare talon

Duellist sees huge value with knife as you can see described here, in addition to the 20% crit chance you have innately

frosty herald
#

But attack speed and right side backstab swift cert isnt needed

potent gate
#

At the end of the day, it's a shroudfield build

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We lost another one

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Book zealots in shambles

placid fiber
#

The only benefit to shroudfield is the +1 stamina node above it imo

frosty herald
placid fiber
#

even that is a stretch

spare talon
# limber sparrow

for stealth spam knife, this is what i would run, with the 3 remaining points being placed into the highlighted places of your choosing

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placid fiber
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instead of pathing past twbs

spare talon
#

But that's still 1 additional point you'd have to sacrifice from something else that's valuable

placid fiber
#

and it benefits a 15 toughness node

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well yeah, it's a 1 point tax

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for benediction instead of loner and 15 toughness

spare talon
#

You're already stretched thin as it is on stealth

placid fiber
#

I know

placid fiber
modern lintel
spare talon
#

And considering you're already running a crit build with enduring faith
The 15% tdr is going to be diminished

placid fiber
#

Fair

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it just comes with 15 toughness on top of it, which isn't as diminishing even with enduring faith

spare talon
#

And most zealots use it anyway, not uncommon for it to be given from someone else

placid fiber
#

since with enduring faith it is technically 30 effective toughness, instead of 15, due to the flat 50% toughness dr not including other toughness drs

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but you run low toughness anyway with your 3 3 stamina curios build

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piety with stealth is rougher pathing

ornate bone
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What's the dump stat on the Heavy Eviscerator?

spare talon
placid fiber
#

mobility, or cleave targets with the mk15 specifically

spare talon
#

Or cleave targets if you're using the mk15

ornate bone
#

70% is fine for the moment?

placid fiber
#

You want all stats besides cleave targets and mobility to be 80% on the mk15

spare talon
placid fiber
#

^

ornate bone
#

I am using mk 3

placid fiber
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ah, the worse of the 2 mks

ornate bone
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All are at 80% besides cleave

placid fiber
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cleave is important on the mk3

spare talon
placid fiber
spare talon
#

Like an 80/80/80/80/60

limber sparrow
#

I really only want to fine tune my weapons to be more accommodating towards the build. I do not really want to try adjusting my skills to much because this has worked really well for me so far. I did try a build with Duelist , until death, and holy revenant, but it generally felt a lot slower to clear many eneimes that I was previously killing quite quickly with the build I have now

ornate bone
#

Wait nvm there's one with cleave on 80% but shredder is 69?

placid fiber
#

shredder is important on both mks

placid fiber
ornate bone
#

I'll use the 15

placid fiber
#

on the mk15 you need the dump to be mobility, cleave, or a mix of the 2

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the mk15 is the better mk anyway, even if it isn't as fun to use

ornate bone
#

MK15 with

Damage 80
Cleave 70
Shredder 80
Mobility 70
Penetration 80

Good?

placid fiber
#

blessings are rampage and shred/bloodthirsty

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for the mk15

ornate bone
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What refinements would you use?

placid fiber
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and if you use bloodthirsty you need 25% carapace for the crusher 1 shot breakpoint

spare talon
placid fiber
ornate bone
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Makes sense

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I'll try it out

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Thanks

hearty nebula
#

we refer to this

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as a skill issue

placid fiber
ornate bone
#

Bolt Pistol and Eviscerator is my fav combo. I tried relic blade and boltgun and it was slow

spare talon
sturdy cypress
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Why are toughness curios the meta when health damage bleeds through as soon as toughness is damaged? wouldn't health curios be better?

placid fiber
hearty nebula
spare talon
#

Taking 2 hits back to back will halve the chip damage if if you have double the effective toughness

placid fiber
spare talon
#

Plus many sources of damage resist are toughness specific

placid fiber
sturdy cypress
#

ty

placid fiber
# sturdy cypress ty

Yep, zealot has been pulling of massively insanely stupid bullshit with toughness curios since launch :3

spare talon
#

Lemme find a clip of zealots potential toughness/toughness dr

spare talon
#

Watch the toughness bar struggle to go down

placid fiber
placid fiber
hushed knoll
potent gate
#

Another thing is that most zealots take holy revenant too. So you can stay at 1-50hp for a very long time and still feel safe.

placid fiber
#

Back in the day health maxxing was a much more viable option when holy rev healed up to 100% hp

gray ice
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Back when we had holy revenant vs. Twbs debates

placid fiber
#

Yep

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And both were good lol

spare talon
placid fiber
placid fiber
gray ice
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Dude you never caught me without holy rev back then

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When I figured out one thunder hammer smite could return my entire healthbar

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The deal was sealed

placid fiber
#

Perfectly fair

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we also auto got the 10% attack speed as well as until death

gray ice
#

What a time

limber sparrow
#

will uncanny strike apply on hit or does it apply on successive hits after the initial weak spot hit?

placid fiber
#

doesn't have to be more than 1 in a row to start stacking

spare talon
#

Iirc

gray ice
#

Indeed 2.5

limber sparrow
#

my question is if it will apply to the initial weakspot hit itself or is the bonus triggered after getting that first hit?

placid fiber
# spare talon It's 2.5%

it was 5% originally, but, ended up being 8%/sec due to the tick rate and unless they fixed that the 2.5% would end up being 4%/sec due to that same tick rate

hushed knoll
placid fiber
#

so like I was trying to say: Unless they fixed the tick rate thing it had when it was supposed to be 5%/sec... it is 4%/sec even tho it is supposed to be 2.5%

spare talon
gray ice
placid fiber
spare talon
#

Uncanny strike is quite literally one of the most overpowered and unbalanced blessings in the game cuz of everything about it lmao

hearty nebula
#

fuckin nerds

spare talon
spare talon
placid fiber
hearty nebula
#

car

spare talon
runic grotto
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Wait, is EWEW currently 2.5%/sec or 4%/sec

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I am confused lol

hearty nebula
#

sex:
yes

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specifically, with your moms

placid fiber
#

so if it was fixed it is 2.5%/sec. If it wasn't then it is 4%/sec

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and I am not really giving fatshark the benefit of the doubt on fixing that tbh lol

spare talon
#

Who has the game open rn, and did some havoc last week

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Can you go check the terminal rq

hearty nebula
#

no

hushed knoll
spare talon
gray ice
#

Is terminal still bugged so you can't do havoc

hearty nebula
river jackal
#

Ngl 2.5 per sec is pretty poor

stone fern
spare talon
gray ice
gray ice
gray ice
runic grotto
#

No it's not

spare talon
limber sparrow
#

okay, I am convinced to use uncanny strike, it seems to be pretty good

gray ice
#

It's a buffer, and with all the regen we get, it does it's job

runic grotto
#

It literally takes 40 seconds to regen one bar of toughness

gray ice
runic grotto
#

Second wind does that in like 5 seconds if not faster

placid fiber
runic grotto
#

2.5% per second is awful

placid fiber
#

2.5% for 2 talent points is... a stretch tho

spare talon
placid fiber
#

with how strapped zealot is on talent points

runic grotto
#

For 2 points you get 5% damage every other hit and 2.5% toughness

placid fiber
#

up to 25% every other hit

spare talon
#

Then try again

river jackal
#

The damage is worth the dip

limber sparrow
#

so my next question is, how does precogniztion register a succesful dodge
?

river jackal
#

The minimal tough regen isn't

runic grotto
placid fiber
spare talon
placid fiber
#

the minimal toughness/sec is pretty much exclusively used on marty builds that get bleed for the emperor

gray ice
#

I mean I'm going down that tree for Marty a lot of the time anyways so imo, it does it's job for what I need sometimes

placid fiber
#

and on rando builds

runic grotto
placid fiber
spare talon
#

I read good

river jackal
#

2.5% for being near enemies or ogryn 5% for holding your gun

placid fiber
river jackal
#

Feels a bit weird

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Ogryn gun brace is broken atm as well

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Actually giving 13%

placid fiber
river jackal
#

This game is held together by duct tape I'm sure

gray ice
#

Chinese glue

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And mothballs

placid fiber
limber sparrow
river jackal
#

Out of curiosity

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Why do people only take the nodes that shit out toughness for Marty, instead of for generic tank builds?

gray ice
#

Can't you get a high enough crit chance that riposte is kinda irrelevant? Feel like uncanny/precog would net you the most dmg.

tame pumice
placid fiber
gray ice
spare talon
gray ice
#

Cuz second wind is like the pick for any build

spare talon
#

I think havoc should be fixed

placid fiber
#

Yes you can go bleed for the emperor for the standard marty build... but the second wind marty build might still be better

runic grotto
#

Ever since I learned about second wind, I can not play without it

limber sparrow
runic grotto
#

I hate it

#

Please nerf second wind honestly, I'm tired of taking it

spare talon
placid fiber
gray ice
runic grotto
frosty herald
#

20 total

runic grotto
#

I thought it was 15% total

limber sparrow
gray ice
#

Second wind tends to be better, because toughness for existing is good who'd have thunk

placid fiber
gray ice
#

But BftE let's you get away with a lotta shit

placid fiber
#

Yeah

gray ice
#

Like straight up eating a crusher overhead and being completely fine

placid fiber
#

as long as you aren't at minimal health that is

gray ice
#

Well yea no not at like 40 hp lmao

placid fiber
#

doesn't a crusher overhead do like 300 damage?

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which means with 40% dr that makes it 180 damage

limber sparrow
#

and taking penetration as my dump stat is fine if I am going to run uncanny strike then?

placid fiber
#

unless it's more

stone fern
gray ice
stone fern
#

theres so much dr/tdr/blocking/random passives

runic grotto
#

People say ogryn has no build variety. Meanwhile all zealots doing this and then simply choosing an ability and keystone

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gray ice
#

Dump stat is usually mobi/defences or somethin similar

stone fern
limber sparrow
placid fiber
runic grotto
lean lark
#

you justhave to drop the crutches

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and experiment with the tree

runic grotto
#

These talents are too strong

placid fiber
#

since past 100% adm uncanny gives 1/4th the amount as a bonus % damage

runic grotto
spare talon
gray ice
spare talon
#

The common pathing for most is generally that

gray ice
#

Even at a 3% dmg difference, mobi/defense differences are also rarely a huge consideration

placid fiber
runic grotto
#

Invocation of death was busted, and rarely situational. Then it became a knife only talent and no one liked it. Now it's just 100% of the time busted, you don't even need crits

gray ice
#

Any zealot build not using immos is griefing

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This post brought to you by immo gang

runic grotto
#

Imo invocation of death either needs a nerf or become a part of blazing piety. Or both

placid fiber
gray ice
#

Jesus don't make it part of piety pls

runic grotto
gray ice
#

It's already a 25% crit node it cannot get more

runic grotto
#

It's still really good even you have 0 crits in your build

placid fiber
stone fern
placid fiber
#

read

gray ice
#

The way invocation works now is probably as good as it's gonna get

runic grotto
#

It's still good?

gray ice
#

It's not overtly broken and usable on most weapons

runic grotto
#

That's still 8 seconds off fotf

limber sparrow
#

so should i dumnp pen or not? I would prefer to have the extra mobility stat if I can, but ill swap if it is going to amke a significant difference

gray ice
#

It's in a pretty good spot

placid fiber
thorn sable
stone fern
#

immo bad

gray ice
#

If you want the mobility then take it

placid fiber
#

because 22s is 8s lower than 30s

gray ice
#

It just does not feel right

placid fiber
#

I get that reading is hard... I just... am tired rn x.x

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cuz I woke up with a massive headache

runic grotto
#

uhhh, yea

placid fiber
#

Ah my coffee is finally cool enough to drink fast

#

I should have probably made it more clear that I was already applying the cd rate from invocation in my statement

runic grotto
#

I don't get you. I thought you meant that invo is not good without crits and even the guaranteed 8 seconds off of fotf is not enough for it to be worth it?

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Is that right?

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Or am I misunderstaing you

placid fiber
#

not that it was bad or not worth it

runic grotto
#

Ok, sorry

placid fiber
#

It's okay

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I word stuff funny :3

#

Even when I'm annoyed I still try to not be an asshole lol

#

and I was annoyed cause of the headache I have rn lol

runic grotto
#

English is not my first language so that probably complicates things further

placid fiber
#

fair

#

What helps is I try to be understanding cuz I know reading is tough, even when english is your first language x.x

limber sparrow
#

thank you to everyone who help me with fine tuning my knife

placid fiber
#

For some reason I keep reading your name as tatsumaki

#

or however u spell the lil annoying brat's name in one punch man lol

limber sparrow
placid fiber
#

well gif search found her lol

limber sparrow
#

I know who it is, but that is definitely not it

placid fiber
#

I know, I am also tired so that isn't helping

limber sparrow
#

although better than people that assume it is a naruto reference

placid fiber
#

that's a pretty low bar, tho

thorn sable
#

Now tho I appreciate having the power to power word: kill any specialist that offends my gaze

placid fiber
#

(I mostly just don't use immo nades cuz I forget to use nades in general)

runic grotto
#

Immolation grenades best grenades in the entire game

thorn sable
#

I sniped a dog with a knife mid leap in the mouth

#

I was like “yeah mfer I am GOD”

placid fiber
runic grotto
#

If only there were good talents before them other than purge

placid fiber
#

even then... I usually end up clutching without the nade

river jackal
#

I really really wish the tree system wasn't as it is

hearty nebula
#

hol up

placid fiber
runic grotto
river jackal
#

The tax for certain blitzes can make them entirely inviable

gray ice
#

Immo is my clutch nade, burning bulwarks is a treasured past time

runic grotto
#

What we had before was 1000 times worse

placid fiber
thorn sable
river jackal
#

Like please Fatshark can I just have immo grenades without having to spend 3 other points I didn't need too

gray ice
#

I still think blitzes should be a separate selection from the tree

runic grotto
river jackal
gray ice
#

Make the current nodes travel ones for all I care

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But nades don't belong with talents

river jackal
#

Ability and keystone make sense

placid fiber
# runic grotto what

the initial blitz we had was just the the stun nade(back in 2022)... I don't know if it was better or worse tho than the upgraded one we have now

river jackal
#

But why is my grenade locked behind a tree path

runic grotto
#

Point tax is also a way to balance things

river jackal
#

Like I'm getting ready to deploy and the Emperor is hitting me with like "Sorry Pal, I can't let you have those, you didn't take these other 5 specific abilities"

runic grotto
#

Too bad that FS are bad at balancing things

placid fiber
river jackal
#

Ogryn rock just makes me sad man

#

It's so good

hearty nebula
river jackal
#

But you have to lose out on arguably one of the best nodes in the entire tree to take it

hearty nebula
placid fiber
river jackal
#

I just think Soften out values Rock

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Personally

placid fiber
runic grotto
river jackal
placid fiber
hearty nebula
#

just get more rocks

#

noob

runic grotto
#

No please

thorn sable
#

Anyway I’m kinda into knife

gray ice
placid fiber
thorn sable
#

I prefer bolter immo in havoc but that’s purely because I don’t trust other mfers to shoot the gunners

river jackal
#

Point tax makes sense when it is intended to avoid a certain combination of abilities

hearty nebula
river jackal
#

But grenades are sort of independent

hearty nebula
#

regardless of what difficulty or gamemode

placid fiber
runic grotto
#

The problem is that a good blitz has amazing points leading to it, while talents towards other blitzes are basically completely worthless

thorn sable
#

I don’t even care if bolter is good that thump is just pure sex

hearty nebula
#

shattering impact is just an incredibly good blessing to have

#

it's unreal how much it does for you

river jackal
stone fern
#

rock too good 😭

runic grotto
#

Well, yea, now that I think about it I basically repeated what you said and you are right

thorn sable
#

WHOMP WHOMP ur dead kiddo

placid fiber
thorn sable
#

Just bolter thangs

gray ice
#

Like feeling like I have to take tknives because of second wind, completely avoided that cuz I don't like being trapped with projectile toothpicks

hearty nebula
#

my beloved

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runic grotto
#

But I like the tree system, I just with there weren't talents like second wind that you either pick or suck

river jackal
#

I just take great pleasure in screen clearing with the grenade to reset a sticky situation

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Which my teammates often find themselves in

hearty nebula
gray ice
#

You can play widdout second wind, you're gonna notice it tho

stone fern
hearty nebula
#

but yeah you can play without it

#

its just like

#

why would you

river jackal
#

Usually the stealth user, be it Vet or Zealot, 10km away from the team

hearty nebula
#

cause it's a straight up get out of jail free card

placid fiber
#

without other things that is

hearty nebula
#

we barrel those people around here

gray ice
placid fiber
runic grotto
placid fiber
hearty nebula
placid fiber
river jackal
#

Me when I see stealth user

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stone fern
placid fiber
# river jackal Me when I see stealth user

I've only really ever seen 1 stealth vet... and holy fuck they omega fucking clutched in a shock gauntlet heresy when I was on my lvl 19 zealot... I clutched initially... but then they pulled off a clutch that to this day I am proud to have witnessed... and they weren't even level 30

placid fiber
hearty nebula
#

do not

river jackal
placid fiber
#

Like holy fuck that guy did shit like I did back in the day

thorn sable
placid fiber
#

Might have even been a cole alt account

river jackal
#

FS could break stealth completely by allowing you to conserve charge through disabling it early

#

Imagine the cheese

placid fiber
thorn sable
#

If you backshot everything it recharges near instantly