Nah
#zealot-class
slate haven
slate haven
Not nearly as cool
opal star
Not nearly as cool
leaden pebble
Not nearly as cool
wrong opinion
slate haven
Correct opinion
frozen kernel
Evi would be a lot cooler if the vrrrrrm vrum vrum vrum vrrrrrrrrr didn't wear off after 3 seconds and take 3 times as long to kill crushers elites
frozen kernel
Coming to save my squad of idiot dwarves (veterans)
remote lark
the reason nade doesn't like the relic is cause it has hard combos / techs
leaden pebble
real
remote lark
placid fiber
The Evis is legally classified as a portable Ragu pasta sauce favtory
relic blade is more or less a lightsaber when powered
frozen kernel
oof ouch
slate haven
the reason nade doesn't like the relic is cause it has hard combos / techs
I use the Mk3 evis
frozen kernel
I see so many people go "I can't do the Mk2 combo"
slate haven
The combo one
placid fiber
the reason nade doesn't like the relic is cause it has hard combos / techs
Stop, stop! He's already dead!
slate haven
bark can’t use the evis bc it’s too heavy, sigh.
mighty root
The combo one
Hello bestie
slate haven
Hey bestie 😍😍😍
frozen kernel
Oh hey fyre spawned
placid fiber
but I already have enough commons...
slate haven
Hey fellas real quick
Does anyone know where the mithril ore is in the grmforge?
I can’t remember
mighty root
Oh hey fyre spawned
placid fiber
like this one
placid fiber
eh...
not when you've been here long enough
all the rare ones just become commons
slate haven
Wait Dark did you get Dorn b4 he got banned?
mighty root
Wait Dark did you get Dorn b4 he got banned?
I have him added
mighty root
Oh that
frozen kernel
Does anyone know where the mithril ore is in the grmforge?
Look around the lava
placid fiber
When you've been playing pokemon with zealot chat long enough... you collect things...
frozen kernel
You gotta hop across somewhere
placid fiber
including countless recatches
frozen kernel
Do you have one from the Tiny Shouty days
placid fiber
idk, I only started this recently
frozen kernel
oh newp
placid fiber
like maybe a couple months ago
fleet zealot
the reason nade doesn't like the relic is cause it has hard combos / techs
this was comparing chorus and fotf
frozen kernel
It'd been months back
placid fiber
I finally got so bored I started doing it for the lulz
fleet zealot
chorus is simply more interactive 🙂
placid fiber
chorus is simply more interactive 🙂
I love being able to do nothing for a bajillion seconds
frozen kernel
That was honestly the worst part of the chorus penance
Downtime was complete ass
Doing knife penance was like the bird taking a bite of the cracker
placid fiber
at least most of zealot penances are less tedious than ogryn's, I think anyway lol
placid fiber
Forgetting to chastise the wicked <:DisgustOpossum:729343338553016360>
targets a heretic.... dashes, but, the autotarget pulls you off the ledge
a real zealot right of passage ^
frozen kernel
placid fiber
why not?
frozen kernel
My biggest problem with revolver and bistol was that I didnt have enough boolet for all the targets on my screen
fleet zealot
cause it messes with my muscle memory
placid fiber
fair
frozen kernel
I dropped revolver way way way back because bistol was just more fun, then bistol got buffed
fleet zealot
every other class G swaps to your nade
on throwing knife zealot you just yeet the knife
it'ss o good and the pathing is so good but god damn
placid fiber
every other class G swaps to your nade
Psyker and ogryn with rock:
frozen kernel
Yeah going from assail psyker to tknife zealot causes problems
placid fiber
I know
lol
I was being a smart ass
I can see how it can mess with muscle memory for sure
frozen kernel
I've been known to start SCRYING when I forget I'm playing psyker and try to chastise for emergency toughness
zealous mesa
It sorta still works like that but not really
placid fiber
I can see these all being issues
placid fiber
It sorta still works like that but not really
Yep lol
frozen kernel
Scrying I like to pop when we turn the corner and see a metric load of "oh shit" in the room ahead
Because I'll play the edging game for at least 15-20% finesse before WU kicks in
Or just start spamming rmb surge to delete things
mighty root
Played vet with the mk 5 ds and it was a change of pace
fleet zealot
i ordered some chicken wings (boneless cause i'm a basic bitch who likes it easy and cheaper)
mighty root
i ordered some chicken wings (boneless cause i'm a basic bitch who likes it easy...
Can’t understand bone in
fleet zealot
garlic parm, maple chipotle, cajun and golden fire
fleet zealot
Can’t understand bone in
it's elitist
mighty root
Less waste more chicken
spare dome
who would ever want to bone chicken
remote lark
who would ever want to bone chicken
leave
fleet zealot
ruled that boneless chicken isn't expected to be boneless
spare dome
its already full of cock
plush estuary
Welcome to LeaveTide, feel free to leave when you go down, I know you aren't strong enough to last for the respawn timer
remote lark
ruled that boneless chicken isn't expected to be boneless
im pretty sure that sjust because someone tried to sue and it was pretty frivolous
fleet zealot
and that "common sense" on the consumers to eat carefully in case their boneless chickn has a bone
fleet zealot
im pretty sure that sjust because someone tried to sue and it was pretty frivolo...
it was not
remote lark
🤨
fleet zealot
dude had a massive throat infection
vast basin
it was not frivolous
remote lark
damn
vast basin
he almost died
fleet zealot
but the frivolous thing is just
shaming
it's the same thing they did to the mcdonalds coffee lady
fleet zealot
they can't win in court (or in this case the courts are fucking stupid)
mighty root
@slate haven we should play
spare dome
mcd's lost that one tho
fleet zealot
but they want to win the public opinion
mighty root
it's the same thing they did to the mcdonalds coffee lady
The lady was right that story has been taken way out of context
frozen kernel
it's the same thing they did to the mcdonalds coffee lady
I'm glad to see more people out that story for what actually happened
fleet zealot
mcd's lost that one tho
gal herself only wanted the bare minimum of coverage, i think she said herself she would have preferred that and not all the fuckin slander and long trial just to get more money she's too old to spend
frozen kernel
Yep
spare dome
yea she asked for the medical bills to be paid
mcd's said they did nothing wrong
they took it to court
frozen kernel
Literally the exact type of person they'd WANT something like this to happen to
mighty root
gal herself only wanted the bare minimum of coverage, i think she said herself s...
Real one and still did her dirty
visual stream
When I found out she had like third degree burns or some such I felt bad for all that 😭
spare dome
it was pretty quickly proven that serving coffee at 85c or w/e they were doing is just fucking stupid dangerous
solar gorge
the corporation can do no wrong you fool
fleet zealot
it was pretty quickly proven that serving coffee at 85c or w/e they were doing i...
3rd degree burn hot
fused her thighs together
spare dome
served through two windows into your car
fleet zealot
don't look up pictures unless you have a strong mind and a strong stomach
frozen kernel
I remember at the time I was younger so I didn't really understand the gravity of the whole thing until some years later
fleet zealot
people don't realize how much, lowkey propaganda there is
frozen kernel
We just heard about some lady spilling coffee on her lap and went "Well uh, dont do that"
fleet zealot
unions, lawsuits
frozen kernel
Yeah
remote lark
people don't realize how much, lowkey propaganda there is
keep your voice down..
solar gorge
unions ? where
fleet zealot
keep your voice down..
I WILL toe the line
frozen kernel
Once I got to HS I think I saw either a video online or a teacher talked about it and it was like "woah"
remote lark
@delicate shadow is it against the rules to plot to detonate a government building in #zealot-class
solar gorge
I'm calling the corporate death squads
remote lark
🎙️
hearty nebula
<@159521795853123584> is it against the rules to plot to detonate a government b...
no
spare dome
i just want to highlight the heat of the coffee
"Liebeck's attorneys argued that, at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C), McDonald's coffee was defective, and more likely to cause serious injury than coffee served at any other establishment."
like i cannot reinforce how excessively hot that is. how fucking insane that is for temperature. and the entire logic was a bunch of dipshitted suits who read a study that said "customers equate hot with fresh!" so they cranked the temperature on all of their servings
spare dome
like thats 10c away from just steaming away into nothing
remote lark
fleet zealot
i just want to highlight the heat of the coffee
"Liebeck's attorneys argued that...
it was also a way to discourage refills in the lobby
cause refills were free
but if you served it too hot
hearty nebula
remember to submit one of these bad boys at the next election's ballot box
fleet zealot
people would drink less coffee
delicate shadow
ok so ftr the answer is actually no, you can't
hearty nebula
ok so ftr the answer is actually no, you can't
wussy
copper hawk
solar gorge
if they heat it up enough they can serve their coffee in some kind of steam you can inhale
visionary
fleet zealot
aquino coming into chat to see zealot chat forming a union /hj
we demand a yearly pizza party!
mighty root
delicate shadow
unions are actually useful, zelchat has never been
remote lark
betrayer
fleet zealot
unions are actually useful, zelchat has never been
drowsy steppe
kill zealot chat
mighty root
Unions are entirely based off of what they are made of
Only cool thing they can do is if someone try’s to fuck you over other people can step in and speak up
But it can backfire by having a lazy person and you can’t really get rid of them
fleet zealot
tbh
from my mother's experience
the lazy people tend to be on the other side of the union
mighty root
Still wouldn’t work for one
fleet zealot
usually people who get in from having friends and connections
mighty root
Yeah it starts to suck then
fleet zealot
that's why my mom eventually quit one job, she worked at a place over a decade just for some fresh person who was friends with one of the regional's got hired at a higher wage
mighty root
Yeah I would have too
queen thunder
Other cases the dock workers union negotiated a 62% raise
visual stream
remember to submit one of these bad boys at the next election's ballot box
As if there'll be a next 
mighty root
https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-anime-studio-trigger-t...
Is dungeon meshi your new fixation
You should try a real man’s manga
Like golden kamuy
lunar fable
crimson ravine
Does having higher levels of the everlasting flame blessing actually do anything?
vast basin
you apply stacks faster im pretty sure
hearty nebula
What if i splatted u.
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/delicious-in-dungeon-dungeon-meshi-thistle-sissel-elf-gif...
hand... + eyes...
hearty nebula
whar
fleet zealot
You should try a real man’s manga
placid fiber
You should try a real man’s manga
but what if they don't want to read spongbebob? :3
copper hawk
Is dungeon meshi your new fixation
I loooove dunmesh..
placid fiber
idk, I can't tell what gender they are with a close up like that
copper hawk
Buff creature
placid fiber
Dpw is a hands guy
Yeah... I prefer things with hands <.<
instead of... you know... not hands...
hearty nebula
Dpw is a hands guy
kills him with rock
crimson ravine
you apply stacks faster im pretty sure
stacks of what?
Everlasting flame is the one that consumes ammo from your reserves isn't it?
vast basin
oh I thought you meant the brittleness one
crimson ravine
Or is the way it actually works that critical hits give yous tacks that convert reserves into munition
nono
placid fiber
Does having higher levels of the everlasting flame blessing actually do anything...
I think you get more ammo from your reserves back based on the tier
each proc
placid fiber
That's the only thing I can think of it doing anyway
crimson ravine
Fatshark tooltips give me conniptions
placid fiber
You could test this out in the meatgrinder
by seeing how much ammo is gotten back per crit
fleet zealot
The text doesn't say it does anything when you upgradde it but-
1-4 based on tier
per crit
crimson ravine
I needa move the grenade hotkey to something more convenient for spamming knives
crimson ravine
1-4 based on tier
ty
frosty herald
I needa move the grenade hotkey to something more convenient for spamming knives
mouse5
placid fiber
1-4 based on tier
well guess that got answer just as I got into the mourningstar lol
placid fiber
you saved me like 9k dockets, nice lol
crimson ravine
Probably my C key
placid fiber
I just use the g key still for my blitz
Not really a great choice, but, I don't have a mouse button above the middle mouse button
runic rune
ill post in driptide haha
crimson ravine
Its a little too far away to feel comfortable for yeeting a knife at a special on short notice
fleet zealot
garlic parm good, maple chipotle, sweet, not really spicy but it's good
cajun, perfect
10/10
golden fire, great but holy shit
i'm out here fighting
placid fiber
ill post in driptide haha
His water is breaking! Quick, get a nurse!
crimson ravine
good lord
drowsy steppe
crimson ravine
More malarky
drowsy steppe
welcome to the worst best chat
queen thunder
Been playing zealot and seen so many matches with 3-4 zealots. Switched to Psyker to level and was in a 4 psyker round :/
gray ice
Time is a flat circle
drowsy steppe
Time is a flat circle
plush estuary
Time is a flat circle
drowsy steppe
Time is a flat circle
I was about to ask
gray ice
drowsy steppe
will you help with orthus offensive penances pls 🥹
opaque island
will you help with orthus offensive penances pls 🥹
what is it that makes orthus offensive though 🤔
drowsy steppe
ok relic flamer it is then
drowsy steppe
fatshark code
no rebreather required and two heads left for me
8800994673 heres my code. It says strike team full when I tried to invite you
plush estuary
no hardmode?
drowsy steppe
sure
Ive done hardmode and orthus like a year ago 💀
that was before penances released I think
never touched it ever since
fleet zealot
plush estuary
@drowsy steppe Ready now, have your fatshark code?
fleet zealot
random belfry
hello chat, do the dot on flamer and purge staff stack?
opal star
hello chat, do the dot on flamer and purge staff stack?
yes and no
yes in the sense that you can apply both to the same enemy
no in the sense that they do not deal additional damage based on-
what burgerfucker said
remote gyro
how well does a bleed double barrel handle crushers?
fleet zealot
So uhhh I found something I think you will enjoy
conservative making things up to get mad at
fleet zealot
how well does a bleed double barrel handle crushers?
terrible without pre stacking and maintaining uncanny strike
remote gyro
terrible without pre stacking and maintaining uncanny strike
good to know
fleet zealot
double barrel bleed also is more of a vet thing
since they can guarantee the crit so they can go bleed+manstopper
(and get free brittleness/rending)
remote gyro
conservative making things up to get mad at
https://x.com/ChumiiCham?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
nah it's actual fanart
Twitter
fleet zealot
we have to get scattershot, even on piety builds (but it makes critting really reliable then) and then it's manstopper over bleed in 99% of cases
fleet zealot
https://x.com/ChumiiCham?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
...
yes
i know the artist
it just what they are referencing really
remote gyro
ahh
fleet zealot
it's making fun of a real AI generated image that was going around chudhammer circles
remote gyro
gotcha
wispy ermine
which of the relic blades is better moveset wise
vague depot
Both work perfectly fine
Mainly take mk10 if you want a push attack stab and take mk2 if you want a cool heavy uppercut
I prefer mk2 for the uppercut and the sweeping push attack which lets me spam it in hordes for perma desperation
drowsy steppe
@plush estuary thanks 
red swift
which of the relic blades is better moveset wise
MK2 if you're in the cool kids club
wispy ermine
Mainly take mk10 if you want a push attack stab and take mk2 if you want a cool ...
not a big fan of strikedown attacks ngl
wispy ermine
MK2 if you're in the cool kids club
i love how mark x looks but i prefer 2s moveset i think
red swift
I much prefer mark 2 in-combo moveset, it's why I use it
uppercut is the cherry on top
mmmmmmmmmm
Uppercut has a higher damage profile too, so there's a real reason to use it
so good
drowsy steppe
ask yourself would you rather have quicker access to strikedown or sweeping lights as the start of light input combo
vague depot
I preferred the mk10 in the beginning but eventually I started to really like the uppercut and push attack of the mk2
placid fiber
just use both and decide for yourself
What?! You expect people to think for themselves?! What kind of unreasonable injustifications are you trying to put on us?!
trim abyss
have a shout vet in this game that wont use shout
modern lintel
could be a sped and using the revive node instead
north sedge
that doesnt mean they dont use it
vague depot
Ngl doesn’t the aoe knockdown from the shout buy you enough time to get a revive normally
placid fiber
Yeah
vague depot
Yeah
north sedge
that depends on the situation
placid fiber
but sometimes there's a monster or something on you
north sedge
shout also can go through floors
violet hornet
jumping to get a shout revive on someone who didn't make the dropdown is hilarious
modern lintel
that doesnt mean they dont use it
most low tier bank it till they see someone go down
red swift
It'd be viable imo if the radius wasn't reduced
but still -1 talent point so no one would pick it anyway
north sedge
i do, it's not as big a deal as people make it out to be
fleet zealot
the cooldown reduction hurts
basically killing your proactivity
for reactivity
which i don't find worthwhile
violet hornet
I take it but mainly because I play vet when I'm with new players, screaming at them to get back up and fight never gets old
vague depot
Instead of needing to revive them why not just spam normal shout and keep everyone immortal
Knocks off pretty much every disabled but the trapper right
north sedge
the cooldown reduction hurts
realistically it's two more special/elite kills i think?
trim abyss
idk, 0 reason to bring vet outside of shout and nades
north sedge
dunno i dont really dictate what people bring, just play whatever you want it doesn't matter
trim abyss
dunno i dont really dictate what people bring, just play whatever you want it do...
I don't agree, i'll kick any loner zealot on the spot
north sedge
i dont play pubs, but even if i did, still don't care unless they're being a dick
wispy ermine
i fucking hate how enemies seem to grow longer hands when your back is facing them
fleet zealot
i fucking hate how enemies seem to grow longer hands when your back is facing th...
that's because kiting is discouraged
spare talon
i fucking hate how enemies seem to grow longer hands when your back is facing th...
They lock onto you
That's how enemy melee swings work
spare talon
Dodging breaks that lock
It's really goofy when you see a mauler literally SLIDING across the floor to hit someone running away
wispy ermine
just use both and decide for yourself
i did
mk2 feels alot better for elites bc you constantly bonk them over the head
a bit weird to constantly spam the push attack for the cleave strike , a pain in the ass to do that when youve no stamina , cant say i dislike it just , odd to get used to it
vague depot
i did
mk2 feels alot better for elites bc you constantly bonk them over the hea...
You don’t need to spam push attack I only do that because I want desperation
wispy ermine
wdym
vague depot
TLDR push attack heavy [heavy light] loop
drowsy steppe
PA > H1 > H2 > L3 
green yacht
yes
vague depot
https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/33311771362460649/D8289F6C751553086B...
Add a light attack too
green yacht
thats what the video cuts off on
wispy ermine
so thats 4 cleave hits , 3 lights 1 heavy
dreamy wedge
damn
wispy ermine
if i can make this be muscle memory then il prob only use this mark , makes quick work of elites
frosty herald
light heavy light heavy light heavy
dreamy wedge
zealot knife revolver is the shit
frosty herald
mk2 has a very simple combo
dreamy wedge
i just tried the build
frosty herald
and you can chain the heavy into uppercut heavy
vague depot
so thats 4 cleave hits , 3 lights 1 heavy
After you do the last light you can just keep repeating heavy light without needing to push attack
And like Yamato said if there’s a big guy you want dead you can just do heavy heavy instead of heavy light to do strikedown attacks
frosty herald
you do light light heavy
or just push attack light light heavy to initiate a hordeclear combo loop
muted pike
Oh wow, didn't realize one of the Havoc mods is +50% elite hp.
That changes how I view breakpoints
frosty herald
push attack is good for resetting into the hordeclear loop but not necessary to maintain it
frosty herald
fun fact
enemy mass is also increased
without any additional cleave blessings get ready to only do damage to 3 scab enemies
muted pike
Safety > damage at that point
wispy ermine
And like Yamato said if there’s a big guy you want dead you can just do heavy he...
quite a bit to take in , i kinda got down the horde clear , for something like a crusher it would be uppercut and then strikedown? and then just keep chaining t hose
spare dome
just sit in the Psykhanium with it for 10m swinging at shit until you get the flow
wispy ermine
i am
vague depot
quite a bit to take in , i kinda got down the horde clear , for something like a...
If you are in the middle of your horde clear combo just start spamming heavy attack
drowsy steppe
PA > H1 > H2 > L3 <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
vague depot
If you aren’t attacking just do light light heavy and then start spamming heavy
wispy ermine
that fov is cursed
muted pike
The chain weapons must feel like ass in havoc
Imagine being latched onto an enemy only for them to not die
muted pike
I have hopes for the mk4 chaxe because it doesn't use the rev
drowsy steppe
mk2 single target is
L1 > L2 > block cancel
or
L1 > L2 > H3 > H4 > repeat
muted pike
I know in damnation the chaxe has the potential to 1-2 tap everything in the game with lights (even without martyrdom)
The mk4, I mean
muted pike
mk15 with fotf can do alright
Doubt it can 1 tap a crusher with its revved heavy
With +50% hp
wispy ermine
i feel like a fucking dumbass for not realizing just how deep the melee system can go 😭
drowsy steppe
eh dont worry about it
its part of the fun of discovering what movesets and combo FS hid on each weapon
spare talon
i feel like a fucking dumbass for not realizing just how deep the melee system c...
This is the game with one of the best melee combat in gaming after all
Lots to mess around with
wispy ermine
This *is* the game with one of the best melee combat in gaming after all
you should try out ghost of tsushima if you like horde melee
rebought that game for pc just to play its pve mode
wispy ermine
mk2 single target is
L1 > L2 > block cancel
or
L1 > L2 > H3 > H4 > repeat
starting to get the hang of it
spare talon
If melee combat, especially, first person melee, was anywhere near as popular as shooting guns, darktide would be way more popular than it currently is cuz it's literally the peak of that
drowsy steppe
push then chaining to a light or heavy input also gives you different swings
(not push attacking btw)
wispy ermine
push then chaining to a light or heavy input also gives you different swings
strikedown into cleave hm
drowsy steppe
push > light (L2 strikedown)
push > heavy (H2 sweep)
frosty herald
cole still malding over not being able to give the mk8 fgs moveset to relic blade
muted pike
If melee combat, especially, first person melee, was anywhere near as popular as...
Vermintide 2 being slept on for years
spare talon
Vermintide 2 being slept on for years
It hasn't been
People will die on the vt2 is better hill
muted pike
That game 🤌
spare talon
But darktide simply has mechanically improved how fun the core melee is, and how it feels
muted pike
I feel the specials in this game are easier to react to
spare talon
Hitting things just feels better in darktide
wispy ermine
alright thanks for the help @drowsy steppe@vague depot@frosty herald
much appreciated , practied a bit , got the gist of it , will put it into practice tmrw , thats enough darktide for today
spare talon
It sounds better, looks better
frosty herald
darktide and vt2 have 2 fundamentlly different gameplay designs
darktide focuses on dodging vt2 on blocking
drowsy steppe
admiteddly VT2 is the harder game compared to this
spare talon
admiteddly VT2 is the harder game compared to this
But havoc mode
The redditors are convinced that it wasn't playtested
It's unfairly difficulty!
fleet zealot
But havoc mode
The redditors are convinced that it wasn't playtested
It's unfair...
fatshark is gatekeeping
i remember seeing an ogryn playtester talking on reddit and some people were JUSt taking it out on him lol
"YOU DIDN'T TEST SHIT" like calm down
spare talon
I SAW
If you scroll down enough you can find me there basically say extremely kindly "hey as a playtester, this mode wasn't meant for you if you don't like it"
Tho that does appear after I posted the ball crushing factory copypasta
lean lark
But havoc mode
The redditors are convinced that it wasn't playtested
It's unfair...
yeah it wasnt playtested.
trust me.
nothing is playtested in a videogame
drowsy steppe
If you scroll down enough you can find me there basically say extremely kindly "...
I can tell you just wanna tear the guy down over it
'huh Cole being polite??'
placid fiber
People will die on the vt2 is better hill
Who? Like... it's different, not better lol
It's darktide but medieval with less ways of movement
fleet zealot
i went up to bat for the ogryn playtester and got hit with "This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything to the discussion."
mind you
this was redditors first statement "So did everyone who played the beta and bought it on launch... You didn't do shit."
like, how dense do you have to be to realize if the game was so half baked, it was probably much worse state for the testers lol
placid fiber
people are really good at blinding themselves
spare talon
Playtesters can literally get access to it in a literal unplayable state
drowsy steppe
@plush estuary you still available to help with penances? Im being edged with 5490 penance point xd. Just the martyr skull ones, like in magistrati?
plush estuary
<@665740726474375168> you still available to help with penances? Im being edged ...
doing twins rn
but I can help after
drowsy steppe
gucci
stone fern
<@665740726474375168> you still available to help with penances? Im being edged ...
which skulls do you need?
drowsy steppe
the partner needed ones yuh that
spare dome
But havoc mode
The redditors are convinced that it wasn't playtested
It's unfair...
artificial difficulty is when i lose and throw a fit
placid fiber
If you scroll down enough you can find me there basically say extremely kindly "...
and yet people still talk down on you when you don't play the mode cuz it isn't fun for you x.x
stone fern
damn all slop on the board
placid fiber
gotta love people, am i rite?
stone fern
But havoc mode
The redditors are convinced that it wasn't playtested
It's unfair...
not me i just think its bad 
placid fiber
I just don't find it fun lol
stone fern
seriously fading light shouldnt be standard
placid fiber
I've long since given up playing stuff I don't find fun in darktide
stone fern
as it is havoc is just a hug the psyker contest
spare talon
"I don't think it's fun" =/= "it's bad"
placid fiber
Yeah
north sedge
dorn should have playtested it better
placid fiber
"I don't think it's fun" =/= "it's bad"
I just got a verbal lashing this morning cuz I don't play havoc, all because I don't find it fun lol
stone fern
no its all coles fault
placid fiber
it was funny tbh
north sedge
no cole actually playtested it, he's ok
stone fern
cole made every single choice
drowsy steppe
I just got a verbal lashing this morning cuz I don't play havoc, all because I d...
I saw lmaoo
spare talon
un fun = bad
But that's still what YOU consider fun
And you aren't the end all be all
stone fern
But that's still what YOU consider fun
And you aren't the end all be all
im literally the hive mind of 90% of darktide players
im the nid of darktide
placid fiber
I saw lmaoo
I get that I don't know what to suggest for havoc due to inexperience, but, being called bad for just not participating is sad
I still will do what I always have done: listen to the people who know their shit and apply that when I give advice
vague depot
would mk2 or mk10 relic work better with martyrdom
placid fiber
Besides... what do I have left to prove? I already know what I can and can't do and just play to have fun now
That still won't stop me from learning new things as I want to
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/futurama-maybe-indifferent-gut-gif-8856605
I feel this so hard lol
Also another great line is: "If I don't make it tell my wife: Hello."
well I had the quote mostly correct
rough galleon
im literally the hive mind of 90% of darktide players
You're awfully calm for someone with both darktide reddit and the comments on every darktide Twitter post roiling inside
stone fern
You're awfully calm for someone with both darktide reddit and the comments on ev...
i am also an alcoholic
placid fiber
im literally the hive mind of 90% of darktide players
... but don't like... 90% of darktide players... barely complete malice and not even all the time...?
like... It might be even a stretch to say 10% are even damnation worthy :/
north sedge
My actual opinion on havoc is that I've been too busy playing hunt/poe2 and a dash of marvel rivals
placid fiber
fair
hearty nebula
... but don't like... 90% of darktide players... barely complete malice and not ...
yes
spare dome
you just gotta look at steam achievemnts
hearty nebula
also true
spare dome
theyre quite illuminating
hearty nebula
like steam achievements are wild to look at for darktide
fiery plover
Playing Heresy quickplay is quite an experience. Player skill levels vary from "level 30 but should be playing difficulty 1" to "why is this awesome guy playing this difficulty?"
drowsy steppe
I might might actually grind havoc exemplar
placid fiber
lol
drowsy steppe
my guess is the 100K people who left lmao
spare dome
yea or higher is doing heavy lifting there
grizzled aspen
On heresy, you go down because your teammates are shit, and on damnation, you can't always guarantee you'll stay on your feet every mission.
drowsy steppe
most of that number left so youre left with a wildly inaccurate percentage of players
I would guess its closer to 40/50%
plush estuary
@drowsy steppe Still need help?
plush estuary
Ready now
placid fiber
I literally got this and flawless execution back when I was still a noob in january of 2023 lol
grizzled aspen
On heresy, you go down because your teammates are shit, and on damnation, you ca...
@hearty nebula
plush estuary
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162146228839133223 @drowsy steppe vc makes it easier since we need to talk to each other for the code
drowsy steppe
ok lemee set my mic
placid fiber
like... when I was a noob I was in the top 5.4% of the current total amount of people who has played darktide altogether now lol
hearty nebula
ainz what u playing... @plush estuary
spare dome
the way to look at the achievements is in brackets
so like not even every person who bought DT even levels one character to 30
placid fiber
True
spare dome
so you look at that achievement rate, and use it as a baseline
oh only 50% of people hit 30
and only 25% of people complete a damnation run
placid fiber
trust level 6 is level 30 right?
spare dome
its more likely that 50% of players who hit 30 continue on to even try Damnation, rather than say "only 25% of players even try damnation"
placid fiber
cuz it's 36.4% for that and 18.3% for 2 lvl 30's
spare dome
ye exactly
placid fiber
which means over half of the people who did 1 lvl 30 character did 2
spare dome
so we should filter from that % as our baseline metric
legit only one of the ten friends i got to play darktide hit 30 lmao
and he still plays today
placid fiber
and then for 4 lvl 30's it is 7.9%
spare dome
this is what most gamers are, just flighty casuals
placid fiber
so out of every 18.3% who leveled 2 classes to 30 only 7.9% did all 4
spare dome
18.3% of all players got two chars to 30, close to 50% of those players went on to do all 4
placid fiber
so of all the people who did all 4 only 4% have done flawless execution
spare dome
is my charitable interpretation
placid fiber
which is probably almost all 100% who already did all 4 of that 4%
spare dome
flawless sucks anyway
placid fiber
I mean it's malice+
imo dream team says more
except
that counts uprising and sedition as well
placid fiber
It's hard to say where you stand overall once you go past 100% achievements completed
and keep playing
and improving
I would say at the very least you are in the top 7.9% of all darktiders since that's the baseline for like a four-leaf clover
and then you compare yourself to that metric of people in the 7.9% players overall
fleet zealot
i might just level a new character
fleet zealot
no im doing another witch cause i'm too lazy to swap my current build with a lot of number tinkering and gold
placid fiber
no im doing another witch cause i'm too lazy to swap my current build with a lot...
do druid
fleet zealot
marauder and druid aren't out yet
placid fiber
ah
hm
man so we only have warrior, merc, ranger, monk, sorc, and witch?
to pick from
atm
placid fiber
marauder and druid aren't out yet
do sorceress for the lulz
frosty herald
Gemling legionaire is one of the strongest ascendancies
fleet zealot
yea but i like summoners
spare dome
the thing with flawless is that you are either an achievement hunter or extremely lucky or extremely passive as a player
fleet zealot
that's what i do
spare dome
none of those things really indicate skill so much as commitment
placid fiber
none of those things really indicate skill so much as commitment
True
frosty herald
Still kinda dookie that i cant do a chaos monk cause its ass
spare dome
i could get flawless done by playing through malice missions but id wanna blow my brains out from boredom
placid fiber
So would you subtract the total % of the bottom % achievement by half?
or 1/4th?
to indicate skill
spare dome
when the game launched me and my buddy jumped to damnation ASAP
you cant really determine skill at all from achievements is the thing, it just gives you an idea of what is actually most common
placid fiber
True
spare dome
so we know damnation is not common
placid fiber
least common is 10 missions in a row without going down lol
spare dome
but it is common if you are an uncommonly frequent player
which is like, almost obvious lol
spare dome
anyway havocs were not made to win they were made to make you suffer
spare dome
that's why you get three tries and why most people can't crack above 25+
because that's when it's above aurics for difficulty
placid fiber
it doesn't help that the masses can drag you down
without help from other good players
placid fiber
you cant really determine skill at all from achievements is the thing, it just g...
I mean... that's even more true I think with rogue legacy 2... I might have beaten ng+7 already, but, I am really good at smashing my face against something and somehow brute forcing it(with some skill mixed in)
and I'm not even doing what I did for darktide where I worked extremely hard at getting better
I'm just playing and having fun in rogue legacy 2
placid fiber
It's pretty easy to bash your face against a brick wall enough times and win >.>
stone fern
heady rapids
5500 for a worse version of the havoc cosmetic..........................
placid fiber
all you need is persistence
drowsy steppe
im not even at 4200 penance points yet...
slave away until you get it
give yourself to the game fully...
hearty nebula
i mean
i dont care about it that much
to be honest i think i'd rather just slog through havoc for a couple of days to get the black armor
stone fern
what do you mean you dont care????
hearty nebula
instead of the penance armors
stone fern
you dont want to play a build you hate for 2 days?
you value your time or something????
drowsy steppe
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1323039160105435156/s...
I dont even have all ogryn penances completed
placid fiber
give yourself to the game fully...
That's what I did back in the day with darktide... before all the extra penance shit and way before havoc and the mastery system
stone fern
I dont even have all ogryn penances completed
theyre the worst
stone fern
i swear to god fatshark made ogryn penances take longer to force people to play it more
stone fern
gunlugger is the easiest one to do
stone fern
you just need a low damage gun
hearty nebula
why do shit if it's not fun
drowsy steppe
my psyker is 200 something, zealot nearly 300, veteran at 500 something
ogryn is below 70
hearty nebula
my zealot is almost at 200 now
stone fern
why do shit if it's not fun
i dont value my time
hearty nebula
:D
placid fiber
I am not looking forward to play gunlugger again
I mean... I can give you my gunlugger build. It's more than likely easily damnation capable, I just consider it a meme build even tho I built it solid af
drowsy steppe
I mean... I can give you my gunlugger build. It's more than likely easily damnat...
nah thx for the offer though
I like figuring it by myself
placid fiber
Mine's more a boss melter build anyway
placid fiber
nah thx for the offer though
Yep, I found what works for me on oggy. Heh it's nice when you can do that without people forcing the info on you
hearty nebula
im just waiting until ogryn gets a rework
they really need it tbh
i don't like having over 50% of the talent tree beelining me into fucking spamming heavy attacks
stone fern
yeah any day now
hearty nebula
it's moronic to design a class like that
and makes any interesting play just out of the question
ebon bobcat
im just waiting until ogryn gets a rework
Rework? What you want? To ogryn to become a dwarf?
hearty nebula
yes
hearty nebula
just give me bardin
stone fern
ogryn needs a full on rework
hearty nebula
stone fern
not buffs
hearty nebula
^
normal wren
had a martyrtdom ogryn in a quickplay
placid fiber
lol I looked at the time and it's 4:20
ebon bobcat
just give me bardin
Foolish dwarf-thing?
stone fern
all the weapons aside from the new ones need a rework
placid fiber
normal wren
also did not do a single heavy attack
hearty nebula
like half the talents are just "yeah spam heavy attacks for 50000 different sources of toughness which you already have plenty of"
normal wren
what a chad
hearty nebula
"oh also your other options are just incredibly gimped in comparison have fun you fucking dipshit"
hot jolt
hearty nebula
piss armor
hearty nebula
REAL
ebon bobcat
Give him 2 axes
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/bardin-slayer-vermintide-gif-24272560
The average rando when they see u having fun:
ebon bobcat
The average rando when they see u having fun:
Wrong, its Slayer Bardin when he sees a group of elites
placid fiber
Wrong, its Slayer Bardin when he sees a group of elites
both are correct tbh
tfw you learn throwing axes are a 1h weapon for slayer
placid fiber
Ah, so we know what kinda women Stan likes
hushed knoll
gleaming kelp
Skullcrusher and hammerblow still good for crusher in havoc?
placid fiber
it's skullcrusher and slaughterer afaik, I don't know 100% sure if the stagger is needed for havoc
usually it's cleave that's needed for havoc, which slaughterer ends up increasing
thick ginkgo
im zealot, heavy evisi.. support with chorus. curently using throwing blades and flamer.. anyone have a good link to a build still with heavy evisi and support, but with another 2 dary and hopefully some other than the knives?
pale spindle
evis
support
chorus
🤮
placid fiber
the tknives are wanted pretty badly with the flamer* for sniping specials
fleet zealot
im zealot, heavy evisi.. support with chorus. curently using throwing blades and...
knives and flamer have to go together
placid fiber
im zealot, heavy evisi.. support with chorus. curently using throwing blades and...
is this for havoc?
cause outside of havoc generally chastise or shroudfield is taken(chastise with chain weapons)
thick ginkgo
oh, im lvl 26.. forgot to write that
placid fiber
You came to the right place for info, but, the info you're asking for is pretty specific and generally not taken
pale spindle
with evis, fury is highly recommended
placid fiber
fury is the upgraded chastise
placid fiber
im zealot, heavy evisi.. support with chorus. curently using throwing blades and...
@hard nexus you got any tips for this? cause I honestly don't know what the suggest at this point
thick ginkgo
i understand that with flamer, i need a lonmg range, hence the knives.. but if i ditch the flamer.. ? i havent tried anything and cant fint a talent spech
fleet zealot
placid fiber
i understand that with flamer, i need a lonmg range, hence the knives.. but if i...
generally the right side is taken at the top anyway since the talents that path to tknives are all amazing talents
pale spindle
i understand that with flamer, i need a lonmg range, hence the knives.. but if i...
why do you need a flamer if you already have an evis?
gleaming kelp
Snakeret
placid fiber
why do you need a flamer if you already have an evis?
probably rager hordes would be my guess
pale spindle
boltgun can deal with that just as well
but the point of evis is to horde clear mixed hordes
flamer is also to horde mixed
hard nexus
<@265332960792805378> you got any tips for this? cause I honestly don't know wha...
no idea
hard nexus
i understand that with flamer, i need a lonmg range, hence the knives.. but if i...
bolter
fleet zealot
lounging like they pay the bills
pale spindle
ussually with evis I go bolt
pale spindle
god these burgers are so good
gimmie
placid fiber
no idea
all I can think of is pathing to chastise instead of chorus for what to suggest x.x
pale spindle
this is what I would do for evis:
stone fern
this is what I would do for evis:
no until death 😭
hard nexus
this is what I would do for evis:
nah, drop second chastise charge if you’re taking crit CDR
pale spindle
no until death 😭
crux, get better 
placid fiber
crux, get better <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
also this is a lvl 26 person atm
stone fern
nah, drop second chastise charge if you’re taking crit CDR
nooooo
hard nexus
crux, get better <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
crutch*, spell better
pale spindle
crutch*, spell better
no
stone fern
omg a horecrux?!?!?!
hard nexus
you’ll be fine
stone fern
10 second cooldown
what if i wanna burst a boss
pale spindle
stone fern
what if i wanna chastise into a wall twice to get toughness????
placid fiber
we should at least make a build that uses 26 talent points so they can know what to start with based on what they have
pale spindle
tbh if you are level 26 and want the easiest time possible, use a DS
thick ginkgo
ussually with evis I go bolt
is meow ! the zealot expert? im not so good at / answering on this program:D
pale spindle
idk, is meow the zealot expert? 🤔
hard nexus
what if i wanna burst a boss
you’ll be fine
placid fiber
is meow ! the zealot expert? im not so good at / answering on this program:D
This is probably a good build that you can work with based on the weapons you already have until you're level 30
that's 26 talent points used
pale spindle
no dualist
placid fiber
Then at level 30 you can use this @thick ginkgo
drowsy steppe
no +10% attack speed 😔
placid fiber
both of my builds have that lol
drowsy steppe
I sacrificed my entire bloodline for +10% attack speed
placid fiber
@thick ginkgo the 1st one is something that works with every melee weapon, and at level 27 you can edit it like this
but outside of pathing to tknives you're really strapped on better talent options overall
north sedge
10% attack speed killed my father
stone fern
This is probably a good build that you can work with based on the weapons you al...
get scourge!!!
pale spindle
no crits on my evis?
placid fiber
get scourge!!!
this is a level 26 and 27 build... look at the finished product for the end build #zealot-class message
pale spindle
embrace piety evis https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1122f5-8a50-4b29-a5a8-561f71ddb3a7/eviscerator-thru-butter?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
placid fiber
embrace piety evis https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1122f5-8a50-4b29-a...
Okay and what 4 points are they going to sacrifice for the basic layout of this?
since they're only level 26
pale spindle
ur mom
drowsy steppe
10% attack speed killed my father
I sacrificed a mother, then proceed to kill her son for +10% attack speed
😔
pale spindle
Didn't know you liked 70 year old women
placid fiber
@thick ginkgo What I'm basically saying is... until level 30 you can't fully flesh out a build, so using basic layouts that give you more things to work with are good overall for getting you to level 30
thick ginkgo
Then at level 30 you can use this <@629917630706221077>
okay, so just flame and evis til 30, thats seem s like a nice build! ty very much fir ur time, also to orka and Meow! ty very much guys
inland orchid
The revolver dump is reload speed right?
placid fiber
okay, so just flame and evis til 30, thats seem s like a nice build! ty very muc...
I try to path builds for sub-30 players to give them as many tools to work with as I can, glad I could help
placid fiber
The revolver dump is reload speed right?
mobility, especially on zealot
placid fiber
I saw someone say it was reload
You can stand dumping reload speed on vet more since you can get 1 ammo back per melee kill from weapon specialist by quick swapping every kill
inland orchid
You can stand dumping reload speed on vet more since you can get 1 ammo back per...
Ohhhh ok
How about the chain sword?
placid fiber
and like on all weapons: generally the 2% bonus dodge distance does nothing in comparison to the other stats
normal wren
movement, but the chainsword is also meh
thick ginkgo
this is my first charachter, ive lvled beyond lvl 10,, i got the other ones, but this one feels like.. the one..it feels cool, to dodge, at eviserate, and it feels cool looking at the teams bars low and repend! and help! i love it! ty:d
inland orchid
and like on all weapons: generally the 2% bonus dodge distance does nothing in c...
I see ok
placid fiber
movement, but the chainsword is also meh
the mk13g chainsword is not meh lol
especially with a revolver covering armor better
normal wren
the mk13g chainsword is not meh lol
thats fair
but also eviscerator
bonk
killing bonk
placid fiber
I'm pretty sure overall the mk13g chainsword is on par with the mk15 eviscerator... <.<
normal wren
which one is the 13g?
placid fiber
the one that mulches hordes with light spam
placid fiber
it's op
unless you're comparing it against specific scenarios where it's weak or against weapons like the dueling sword it is extremely good
normal wren
yup
placid fiber
and again: they have the revolver <.<
normal wren
yeah using the revolver fixes most of the issues with the chainswords
placid fiber
The biggest issue is crushers imo
normal wren
and the chainswords don't make your camera have a siezure like the chainaxes
placid fiber
normal wren
The biggest issue is crushers imo
which is solved by the revolver
placid fiber
~~and the chainswords don't make your camera have a siezure like the chainaxes~~
I think it's only the mk4 chain-axe that does that
placid fiber
yeah that autorev on lights can be rough
placid fiber
Fair
normal wren
for "deals with everything but armor"
hearty nebula
snorus offensive
normal wren
reminds me gotta download that scoreboard mod
placid fiber
I generally just try to explain weapons from an objective standpoint since if you throw subjectiveness into it... people end up saying the taxe is the best weapon on zealot
normal wren
I generally just try to explain weapons from an objective standpoint since if yo...
fair
plush estuary
the autopistol is good
normal wren
the autopistol is a great nonlethal option
placid fiber
plush estuary
one of the best utility weapons
placid fiber
the autopistol is good when used right
normal wren
it also has really good suppression
placid fiber
which isn't made good by it's effectiveness, but, by the players use of it
I know how to use the autopistol extremely well, but, even when used perfectly it isn't the weapon itself that is good
drowsy steppe
fleet zealot
sheer attitude
placid fiber
sheer attitude
That's the look good players give me when I bring the autopistol
here's a closer up version lol
versed mango
I generally just try to explain weapons from an objective standpoint since if yo...
been using taxe for about 20 hours now.. im on the subjectiveness bandwagon for sure
normal wren
where autopistol can work
yeah pretty much
after that its super ammo inneficient
and basically acts as a suppression tool or a taser fopr ragers\
I'm currently on the master all weapons grind
taxe was... not that fun on vet
rashad was
fleet zealot
taxe just needs an keep swinging mod
versed mango
vet with taxe and bolt pistol and the capstone on the right hand side makes you feel cool on malice/heresy
drowsy steppe
I use bolt pistol as a mobility tool also thanks to its good dodges
thick ginkgo
I generally just try to explain weapons from an objective standpoint since if yo...
ty very much for the good advice, im sryt if i started some elities war of micro managenment:D
normal wren
vet with taxe and bolt pistol and the capstone on the right hand side makes you ...
or I just run a rashad
versed mango
taxe just needs an keep swinging mod
yeah i literally couldn't use it til i installed this, feel like the little chainsword is going to be a better experience with the mod too
twilit otter
For stealth zealot knife blessings, uncanny and lacerate or mercy killer or 3rd option and why
normal wren
For stealth zealot knife blessings, uncanny and lacerate or mercy killer or 3rd ...
I like uncanny mercy killer
red swift
More people need to see the benefit of the keepswinging mod on things like taxe and knife
instead of just writing it off without trying it
save ur wrists and optimizes your gameplay
normal wren
I need to get that, the full auto mod
twilit otter
More people need to see the benefit of the keepswinging mod on things like taxe ...
Huh
normal wren
and the scoreboard
unique elbow
is lethal proximity any good for zealots or am I just gonna use this for a beeg handgun?
versed mango
More people need to see the benefit of the keepswinging mod on things like taxe ...
does it benefit knife as much as taxe? i thought the idea with knife was to use heavies for the mobility? or do you mean for spamming lights into horde (i'm new and dumb)
plush estuary
For stealth zealot knife blessings, uncanny and lacerate or mercy killer or 3rd ...
Knife is precog + riposte/uncanny
red swift
does it benefit knife as much as taxe? i thought the idea with knife was to use ...
spamming and mixing in lights
hearty nebula
ainz.... noob...
vague depot
is lethal proximity any good for zealots or am I just gonna use this for a beeg ...
it makes your grenades have a bigger aoe
used to work on crusher explosion but that got removed sadly
red swift
Knife is Uncanny/Flesh piety or Uncanny/Lacerate IJ dont @ me boys
unique elbow
used to work on crusher explosion but that got removed sadly
neat
twilit otter
Precog lasting 2 seconds is that usefull
vague depot
Precog lasting 2 seconds is that usefull
yea dodge an attack and hit them back
plush estuary
Precog lasting 2 seconds is that usefull
yes
hearty nebula
yes
vague depot
the damage bonuses go great by themselves but zealot has duelist so it reaches a whole new world of damage
hearty nebula
precog is sex
vague depot
better than sex
hearty nebula
put it on relic blade thx fatshark
twilit otter
So lacerated and the talent giving 10 stacks of bleed per crit... is bleed stacks just not a good source of damage for knife zealot?
plush estuary
bleed doesnt do enough damage to be worth
red swift
it has good syngergy with scourge
plush estuary
its a noob trap
hearty nebula
literally
red swift
Nah bleed is great
unique elbow
it makes your grenades have a bigger aoe
I am basically always in melee, point blank+lethal proximity seems a good way to go. Squeeze one off and breathe a little. But I have found utility in popping off headshots to two tap or one tap most elites/maniacs.
vague depot
I am basically always in melee, point blank+lethal proximity seems a good way to...
i run puncture lethal for special sniping
if im up close i can just kill them with my melee weapon lmao
daring trellis
Does 4 stealth zealot speedruning work in havoc 35+?
copper hawk
Grr..
fleet zealot
So lacerated and the talent giving 10 stacks of bleed per crit... is bleed stack...
it's just a mediocre dot
you only want bleed really to enable scourge, which knife already does with just scourge cause of it's high crit chance
drowsy steppe
More people need to see the benefit of the keepswinging mod on things like taxe ...
cheating
placid fiber
So lacerated and the talent giving 10 stacks of bleed per crit... is bleed stack...
without uncanny and it being a lackluster dot double bleed just isn't good
hearty nebula
Does 4 stealth zealot speedruning work in havoc 35+?
you can certainly try
just remember that bosses will follow you through the whole stage
(unless it's a beast of nurgle because they have a tendency to just spontaneously fucking explode)
fleet zealot
yea double bleed is terrible
you need rending for it to do real damage to most targets
spare talon
just remember that bosses will follow you through the whole stage
Everything that had spawned will
twilit otter
What about mercy killer not needing 2 second dodge windows
fleet zealot
and it caps at 16 stacks
fleet zealot
What about mercy killer not needing 2 second dodge windows
just worse precog for zealots
hearty nebula
Everything that had spawned will
ye
just wasnt sure about trash mobs
bc i've seen them lose aggro occasionally, its weird
fleet zealot
60% weakspot damage vs 60% crit AND weakspot damage
spare talon
What about mercy killer not needing 2 second dodge windows
Precog works on the first hit, and can refresh itself
Quite often in a realistic situation too, you get WAY more uptime than you think
fleet zealot
if the precog window scares you go riposte
plush estuary
What about mercy killer not needing 2 second dodge windows
you need to hit the enemy 1st to apply bleed to get value from mercy killer, why build for 2 shot enemies when with a blessing combo you can 1 shot them
spare talon
Plus you always want to be dodging shit anyway cuz duellist is a thing for zealots too
Might as well make that even better
Like the damage difference is MASSIVE
Esp since precog affects both headshots and crits
Mk only affects headshots
unique elbow
Should Thunder Hammer only be run with a martyr build or can it rock hard with blazing piety?
spare talon
Mk ends up being a great choice for vet tho, cuz they have an ensured method of bleeding via talents (zealot scourge is still only a chance), and they're already heavily leaning into weakpoint more than general finesse, they can't reach the same potential that zealots can with precog
river jackal
Okay Lil uns, need a full setup recommendation for someone who effectively only knows how to play the game on Ogryn making my way over to Zealot as a second character
Primary concerns are toughness and stagger changes
acoustic dune
ey ey pisser
spare talon
Primary concerns are toughness and stagger changes
Zealot toughness is just as easy if not easier to maintain than ogryn imo
river jackal
Zealot toughness is just as easy if not easier to maintain than ogryn imo
Not sure if it's just me not being used to the loop yet but I really haven't felt that way